IT IS WHAT IT IS - SCOTTIE BARNES GETS PAID & STEPHEN A SMITH'S CONTRACT SITUATION IS MAKING HEADLINES | S4 EP47

Episode Date: September 13, 2024

It's a reunion, hello y'all Uh I was selling crack on a private jet, I've been to hell and back But no confusion, it's a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Get murdered here, he counting money He said, can't man, the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches

Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga Black Benz's and white Vigas Now I'm out here and I'm looking for more chandeliers and light fixtures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states,

including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. They'll also match your first deposit of $200, and you get a special pick when you sign up. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your hosts, Mace and Ian. Murder, what up, man? Killing was good, man. Shit, I'm good. How you doing? Back in the building, huh? Good, man.

Yeah, man. Okay. Neon green in it. Yeah, I would say the Celtics, but it's too early for that. That's not even the Celtics green. It's more like Oregon. Yeah. We'll go with that, too.

The duck box. It's almost that time of year we're in spring training you know pause you going back with Colorado this year early I'll be there you'll be there

I'll definitely be there I'll be there I'll definitely be there Coach Prime Shador a lot of niggas don't know Shador only got two more years because he got a COVID year too.

So if we need to stick around even longer, then we'll stick around even longer because it ain't like we ain't getting money. It ain't like niggas ain't eating over there. Getting Colorado money, huh? Yeah, I can't wait, man. I spoke to Coach Prime about three weeks ago, man. Yeah, shout out to Coach Prime, man. Shout out to Coach. I spoke to Coach Prong about three weeks ago, man. Yeah, shout out to Coach Prong, man.

With Oregon Green? Oregon Green, New York. Kermit the Frog, yellow. I mean green with the orange. It's all over the place. What's new, though? Welcome to It Is What It Is. Welcome to It Is What It Is. place what's new though welcome to it is what it is okay so let's start with steven a's contract

so it's up in july 2025 and his agency is currently re-negotiating with espn the reported deal is at 90 million over five years which is an 18 million dollar salary not to be pocket watching but this is a big discussion right now. Some people are saying that that $18 million a year is low-balling him. So what do you guys think? Is that enough?

Is it not enough? And should he continue working at ESPN? Or does he not need them? What do y'all think? Cam first. Yeah, start with Cam. That's Cam's man. it is my man of course

he was making 10 million a year previously report says so 18 million is almost double what he will be making but i i'm not sure if i'm steven a smith i see the landscape of what's going on because the last change since the last time he had a contract to his new contract. Sports is viewed very differently. Not saying linear television isn't still doing its thing, but a lot of people are very successful without linear television. And one thing about Stephen A. Smith, Stephen A. Smith works. You know, he's there first take it 10 a.m. on Eastern Time. Then after that, he does his podcast and if need be

he'll be a um the preview before the nba game and then after the nba game he's reporting for sports center uh he's doing other people that nigga is a workaholic so a lot of people could say what they want about steven a you know negative negative. But when niggas outwork you, they outwork you. And that's just that. So to me, 18 is probably close to double what he was getting. But for all the shit that he be doing, it might be lowball and not just that. He has to look at, and I already know, bro is already looking at this, how Pat McAfee did whatever he wanted to do before he got to ESPN and basically still doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do without penalty or consequence on ESPN.

Pat McAfee actually is on the show and said somebody up here is trying to sabotage the show. Blaming an ESPN employee. Why are you on ESPN? The nigga called Kalen Clark a white bitch. It's all good. No problem for Pat. He can do what he wants. You think Stephen A isn't seeing all this and not saying that Stephen A wants to do what Pat McAfee is doing, but I'm pretty sure that he wants a little more leverage with money. Not saying he doesn't have leverage now because You know, he wants a little more leverage with money. Not saying he doesn't have leverage now because he's obviously not just the talent on first take.

He's also an executive producer as well. So I can't answer what's lowballing him, but I know he works hard as shit. This nigga, if you look at his schedule during the NBA season, you got to wonder if maybe he gets four or five hours sleep in between his commute to and from wherever he has to go. And he's always available. We were sitting in this studio right here. He happened to be walking past, didn't know that we was filming, came in here and sat down with us for 45 minutes, dropping jewels., that's not for me to decide. I don't know what the annual income is at ESPN. But I know for one thing, that nigga's a workaholic.

So, if he wants more, I don't blame him. But then you got to think about also, how much money is he getting outside of ESPN? How much money is he making on his podcast? How much money is he showing up at places for appearances? You don't know what his side hustles

are. So he may be like, look, I'm grabbing X amount of dollars from here, X amount of dollars from there. I don't really need y'all ESPN. But to me, he's not leaving. I think he likes it. And his ratings are still number one on Linear. So I don't see him leaving.

But I don't have the exact answer if it's low-born or not because I don't know what a salary would take for all the shit that he does. How much did, before I get into that, how much did Pat McAfee get? 85 million. But I don't, I think he just renegotiated as well.

Hmm. Yeah. So if Pat McAfee got 85, I mean, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it is 85 over five years. 85 over five years.

And you think about, I mean, it's like selling houses, you know, two household names. Stephen A is arguably the most famous person up at ESPN. And when you come with that kind of cachet, you have to get paid higher than the last person that got paid. It don't matter who it is, because whatever we can say about Pat mcafee we i mean

you have to compare it because stephen a is a person that that put paul's butts in the seats if you're talking about people coming to watch the show i mean and when you think about his just what he bring to the table not just that um. Everywhere you go, like Cam said, whether it's at a fight, you didn't even bring up the fights. He had the fights. And not to mention the NBA finals, stuff he's doing outside of that. His popularity is growing. And a person like Stephen A., you got to pay.

When it comes down to him and Pat McAfee, you got to pay or you got to be willing to go in a whole new direction. So I think $90 million is cool, but if I was negotiating it, I would probably get $120 for Stephen A. But he didn't ask me. If he was asking me, I would get a $120. You would have to pay him 120. he's probably to me that's a great point because he has to work more than pat mcafee matt mcafee is working two hours

a day from sunny miami on his own set very comfortable and does everything that he wants to do right from basically home stephen is on the road he's traveling he's at games he's in arenas he got a way he has a lot. He got to do all that. There's a lot of shit. So, yeah, I would want a little bit more now if we put that into perspective. 120 is the number.

And then even just to add a little bit more context, so he's not even the highest paid at ESPN. So first it's Troy Aikman, then Joe Buck, then Pat McAfee. So he's at 18,

then 15, 15 with Stephen A making 12 million. What's the first two? Troy Aikman and then Joe Buck. and then you got to think about it troy acheman only working 20 weeks a year reflection for the connection i don't know how you explain that. How you explain that? Because it's not just about sports.

Because if it was about cachet that translate from being a Hall of Famer, then all the other Hall of Famers would be making that much. Well, I think they're making pretty close. How much does... Now, let's do this. Tom Brady got a job doing that what's his contract and then we want to look at not tom brady tom brady number gonna be crazy 37 million a second but listen tony romo number is up there and tony romo never won a championship that's true a super bowl tony

romo shit and tony romo to me he's a better analyst than he was a quarterback and he was a pretty decent quarterback. I didn't think he'd be calling shit before it happened. When I watched the games, I'm like, yo, this nigga knows what's about to happen. He really knows how to read defenses. And then it boils down to when negotiating. It really boils down. Can I get a solo, Nick?

I see every time I'm speaking, you're not giving me a solo. I don't know what's going on in the booth. You still mad about something. me know nick you know because i don't have time for this early in the morning you know for all of you out there that's nick he's from queens i'm from harlem you know he's going through some things with the nicks we we're gonna get him on schedule but like i was saying about the team, what was I saying? Nick, you just spun me around, Nick.

I don't know what you were saying. You wanted to solo and spun yourself out the picture, man. Yeah, it's... You started saying complexion for the protection.

The complexion for the protection. Yeah, it's early in the morning. I haven't had my coffee. You're off to a really good start, too. Yeah, yeah.

I think that's what I'm doing. I'm working against a lot of people here. I got Cameron on this side. I got Nick in the booth. Status trying to, she's trying to stay close.

But we was talking about, what was we talking about? We started talking about Tom Brady and his contract that he could negotiate more. We started thinking about Troy Aikman, Hall of Famers,

Stephen A in that mix. I'm trying to find where you're leaving off that. I'm starting to get scared doctor. I'm going to get a doctor in here somewhere. Hall of Famers, Stephen A. I'm trying to find where you're leaving off at. I'm starting to get scared at this point, man. It's happening a little bit too much, man. I'm scared, man. You're my friend. I'm scared. I'm scared.

I got a lot on my mind these days. I'm thinking about a lot of things. I'm actually scared, man. I wouldn't be scared if you wasn't my friend. If you wasn't my friend, I wouldn't be scared. I'm starting to get scared. It's about the fourth time in a week and a half that we ended up here, man. We'll talk later.

We'll talk a little later. We was talking about how he got to pay him more, and he got to get paid more. When you think about everything that he's doing, and we was talking about the different people that was making a lot of money would come down

to all of these people. Back to you, Killer. I was actually Tony Romo made. Yeah. Tom Brady, the deal. I don't know if this is set, but it says next year

Tom Brady is scheduled to take the spot with his 10 year $375 million contract. I don't know. Exactly. Yeah. I was the numbers I his 10-year, $375 million contract. I don't know exactly. Yeah. I was the numbers I heard.

10 years, $375 million. So that's what I said. I said before you said $37 million a year, Tom Brady, for 20 weeks. And then Tony Romo, I was asking you. That was the question. Y'all both spun yourself out to what we was really talking about. Tony Romo is not worth more money than Brady.

We didn't say that. We're just reading contracts. His is $180 million for 10 years. $18 million is still more than Stephen A. Yeah, so Stephen A is asking for the price that's Tony Romo. Well, not Ashton. That's what's on the table, allegedly, for the same price.

Basically, Stephen A would take a month and a half off. So let's just say 47 weeks or 46 weeks of work, as opposed to 20 weeks of work, just one day a week, really. Because all you got to do is be ready for Sunday. Time is obviously not money. Okay. What do you think makes the difference of that? As far as what? That's probably what I was running through my brain.

It made no sense. I'm not counting his pocket, but if you're thinking comparables, do you think that Tony Romo knows that much more than Stephen A when it comes to football yes Tony Romo is a football especially he's not doing basketball he's not doing any soccer he's not doing tennis football yeah but it's still only one day a week regardless not saying he's not preparing himself during the week but I'm talking about I have to get up and go to work and be on camera it's one day a week so his one day that's what i'm getting at his one day is worth stephen a's five days that's stephen a's agent now if he need

us like you said we gotta reach out to me because what you gotta realize is this too right that's why i was puzzled no what i'm saying is this right and it's different too, right? That's why I was puzzled. No, what I'm saying is this, right? And it's different shit for different reasons, but that's a great comparison. You have to think about Floyd Mayweather. And when I say Floyd Mayweather, because his biggest thing is, let's say Conor McGregor fight, just using that particular fight.

He made 600 million in 30 minutes. The fight went 10 rounds. So you could use LeBron James' contract. You could put Patrick Mahomes' contract. You could put whoever the highest paid athlete it is, all the practice, all the games, the possible injuries, year after year after year after year in a five-year deal. Like, let's say pat mahomes i think

you got 10 years like 500 yeah something million you still won't make what floyd made for 30 minutes and that's what you gotta really think about is my time valuable to you even though it's two different we're talking about two different sports. Somebody announces a cover sport. So we're talking about a bunch of different things, but we're talking about somebody's time. We're talking about my time is money. Floyd Mayweather is the champion of my time is money. And you're right.

It goes back to your agency and whoever is making that decision for you. Because I would definitely, you definitely want to use other people's contracts and where's the compatible price in the market at this time. And the price at this time for Stephen A will be like 120. No, it wouldn't be 90. Even in football terms, that's why Trevor Lawrence was able to get his contract so high because of what has been happening in the league.

So I got to ask y'all. So obviously you guys are both in agreement that Stephen A should be able to get paid more. But do you guys think it's possible for him to become the highest paid talent or no? And what's the highest paid? Troy Aikman. How much a year? That's $ 18 million a year if he get

19 million is he gonna be like so yeah it's definitely possible yeah and then as we know JJ Redick is now

the Lakers head coach woo you a Lakers fan now trolling Ryan Garcia right right now. Okay. So at his press conference,

he was asked about the misconceptions or concerns people had for him for being coach. He then responded, I really don't give a fuck. And that overall, he wants to be a great coach in the NBA and win championships.

How do you guys feel like his press run is starting and thoughts on his response and becoming officially Lakers head coach? I wish him the best. I think that comment as a start off comment just was not good. I mean, after you've seen sports over the years,

you just know how the media works. They hold comments like that until something goes wrong and they'll go right back to that comment and say, well, this was one of the first things he said as the head coach. So, I mean, I can't tell him what to do. I surely can't. I've never had coach before, but I have been slammed about a media and I know how people hold on to just certain things until certain times. And I just, just certain things you want to stay away from,

even if you got the complexion. If the Lakers go on a six game losing streak, he's going to be on the front of the L.A. Times and he's going to say he never gave a fuck. They're going to use that for every time something goes wrong. He don't give a fuck. Niggas lose the first round, he never gave a fuck. He don't give a fuck they don't run

with that why are we even expecting anything he told you he don't care oh my goodness running with that the rest of the time it's not i think he did that though basically to say look y'all hired me we gonna do this the j.J. Redick way I'm not here to be any of the previous coaches we gonna see a week or one off what I bring to the table and

that's the way I took what he said he was in the middle I watched the I watched the press conference and it wasn't like he just bust us out give a fuck

but he was in the middle of saying you know people this and people that but I don't give a fuck you know it was real arrogant it wasn't loud it wasn't obnoxious it was just mid-conversation but people are gonna run with it was arrogant jj reddick arrogant not like yo nigga i don't give a fuck he's in hall america yeah no no it wasn't no hall america

more like princeton arrogant yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It was a surety. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, um, look, I hope he does well.

I was more, I was more murdered thinking about, you know, of course I was thinking about the don't give a fuck cause they gonna run with it. Anytime the media can run with it. But just to the point to where i would say what is this what is this um june this june i would say last a year 18 months ago if if a laker coach got up there and said that they wouldn't even got the job yeah hold on you can't come well they would have got fined off the back you might be running with the pat mcafee i'm not niggas running with the killer

murder shit yeah i'm saying for them it's nice for us too they didn't nah they nigga nigga come on bro niggas but they couldn't do this 18 months ago, bro. Yeah, you can't lose being yourself, you know? Yeah, so a few people figured that out, but a few people, to me, actually aren't even being they self. A few people trying to make that into their self. Yeah, and that's not your personality. Exactly, and you can tell. I'm not going to say name, but you can be like,

bro, we've been watching you for 15, 20 years. That ain't you. That's never been you. It's never been you here, bro. You look like you're reaching. Yeah, you look. And it looks corny. Yeah.

It's like, you know, a nigga that you, it's like a nigga you know that's been wearing Air Ones forever. A nigga tries out Balenciagas and it just ain't right for him. Like, yo, my nigga. You know, you've been wearing Air Ones forever, and nigga tries out Balenciagas, and it just ain't right for him. Like, yo, my nigga, you know, you've been to Air, I dig it, don't, don't, don't. They look, you don't know how to rock them right. You know what I'm saying? If they never been in the $1,200, $1,250, $1,500 sneaker range,

$2,000, it may not be right on them, you know? So sometimes that's how niggas be looking. I actually seen on your page, Larry, JJ's coaching career. His coaching career consists of coaching the fourth grade Brooklyn team and that Lakers. Talk about a glow up. Nigga went from fourth grade to the Lakers Talk about a glow up Nigga went from

Fourth grade to the Lakers Nigga That was crazy Nigga need to sit down With LeBron Nigga Yo You go from

Fourth grade to Coaching the Lakers Anything can happen How long was you coaching? I was like I was like I met's what I meant I meant to ask your son that that mean that mean

I could I could coach you like it yeah yeah yeah Killer spoke to my son this weekend he got on the phone

he said he said Lil Uzi was his OG he said Lil Uzi was his OG he said Lil Uzi was his OG and then he said Drake was like the triple

what he said the Migos was the double OG and Drake was the triple OG so I said I said to him I said damn

they might as well just put us in a museum huh niggas say nah textbook I said a textbook you don't give a damn textbook they might as well just put us in a museum, huh? Niggas say, nah, textbook. I said, a textbook? You told them to get rid of the textbook.

You said, a textbook, B. Say, yo. With the, nah, it's cool. He said, yeah, they got to learn from y'all. Y'all are textbook. That was to make us feel better. The lady was like, nah, you don't think your dad is good? He said, yeah, you know, he's textbook.

Yeah, Domingo's is the double OGs. At least I tried to put us in a museum. Like I said, Open up the textbook. Yeah. He's the generation right after you. That's why I should ask him about your coaching. That's the one thing I forgot to ask him about next time. But yeah, you definitely qualified.

Yeah. Coach the Lakers okay so now we're going to talk about scotty barnes he is becoming the highest paid player in rafters history with a five-year supermax deal worth up to 270 million dollars he'd also become the fifth highest paid player in the nba if he hits his incentives and reach the full potential of $54 million a year. So what do you guys think of his extension and him being the highest paid player ever for the Raptors? Maze first.

I thought you were saying the highest paid player in the league. I'm like, nah, I don't know about that. And even when it comes to. I'm just a. I'm just a stickler for tradition. I think I'm learning that about myself. I think 270 is great for him. I want him to get his 270. I just I just pray that he lives up to the 270 because every time somebody gets this money and they does well, it makes it easier for the next guy to get 310 and the next guy to get 330.

But when people don't perform, let's say they get these extensions and they pull a what's the guy name that killer was crucifying for the first two seasons? Ben Simmons. You get the money and pull a Ben Simmons and just go Balenciaga Ben, you know. Have a Marnie week, you know what I'm saying? Then it makes it bad for players. But I think he can

do well and actually live up to this. I think he had a great year this year. I look forward to him having another better year next year. And if he keeps working on his game, he could be pretty promising. He actually plays both sides of the floor, and that's great. It just goes to show that the NBA salary cap just keeps going up and up and it's getting wild b it's getting kind of crazy and listen the kid the kid has some pretty decent numbers but we have

to put this into perspective this is almost it's a five million dollar difference of what ant-man just got ant-man just got 275. we're giving're giving him now we're giving out 270 like she getting a little ridiculous i'm not that's what we was talking about with steven a you got no other niggas contracts so you can get more i dig it but this is like i ain't gonna say no white name for niggas saying i'm trying to diss the analyst yeah but scotty cannot be like well it man got nah nah we ain't gonna do it man don't get me wrong the niggas he's shooting 47 percent from the field average close to 20 points uh eight rebound yeah eight rebound yeah it's tremendous you know and they're looking at his upside. What is he? 21 years old?

22 years old? 1.5 steals and 1.3 blocks is a lot. Yeah, listen, man. That's really competing. It's really good. It's really good. And you got to think about it. To me, my personal opinion is that's why they got rid of Siakam

because they had him. Yeah. And they was like, we got somebody that's up and coming. And, you know, Pascal appreciates your shit, but we ain't about to win a championship in the next couple of years. We're going to try and put you somewhere where you can win again because they fuck with Pascal in Toronto. But I'm not mad at the numbers because of what's going on with the cap,

but if we're comparing two similar contracts, is he $5 million less just just as good as that man? Or is potential there? Yeah, I think part of the contract is different, is that he's really guaranteed 225. But if he makes like all NBA, if he makes all NBA defense, then it gets him up to 270. And I like that kind of contract

because it's really paying to play. It's like if you ball out, then we're going to give you those type of numbers. But right now, like currently he is at 225. He's not at 270. And what I would say to that,

that's great information because what I would say to that is your agent sucks. They're giving you a football contract, nigga. You thought he was getting a 270. Yeah, but I'm saying at the end of the day, you should fire your agent, nigga. Because who does that?

This ain't football, nigga. I would have never went for that, even though I like that concept, too. Because it gives niggas their son to play. I'm not against it. But where they doing that at? Yeah, I would have did 260 and had the incentives up to 300. Yeah, I wouldn't have did no incentives because I'm like,

I'm not going to be the starter of the incentives. Niggas been getting their money. I need mine. I need mine. You know, only other, no, it's other clauses. Don't get me wrong. Like, long time ago, J. Will, if we get caught riding a motorcycle, you can't get your money. Zion got time ago, J will, if we get caught riding a motorcycle, you can't get your money.

Zion got all type of clauses pertaining to his weight when it comes to shit like that. But niggas, niggas, I ain't here this one yet. And I could be wrong. Like you got to average 31 and get the number. Yeah.

That's how they doing. They got that TV money. But yeah, but see, to be honest with you, it's almost like any given Sunday, or I'm pretty sure it happens in football all the time when you have all these incentives, and they get like, my man, I need this ball tonight.

I need the ball. This could get dangerous. This could get dangerous. You just be like, yo, my man, my contract. Well, my contract is up. You've been averaging 29 all week. I need to average 11 rebounds to get this money. And that could be potentially dangerous.

So I'm not mad at this format, but this could cause some type of confusion sometime in the locker room. So we'll see what happens. But I'm not mad. What I will say is this. Your agent must have got a lot of football players with him sometime in the locker room. So we'll see what happens, but I'm not mad that, what I will say is this, your agent must got a lot of football players with him because this is one of them.

He gave you a football contract. Yeah, you know, football niggas, 180 million, 110 guaranteed. Like, yo, what is that? My nigga. And then you got to do all these incentives.

Have you ever seen any given Sunday? You know, they were talking about how they need the ball to get this many yards and so on and so forth and that's real shit

because I believe it's Travis Kelsey if I'm not mistaken he was probably about 16 or 17 yards short don't quote me on it it was something

not that far but he didn't play the last game yeah Nick give me a thumbs up he didn't play the last game yeah Nick give me a thumbs up he didn't play the last game and he could have

got a mean bonus oh yeah if he played that last game and he didn't and he didn't but imagine you know he played

like now I need this extra 2.6 yo give me two plays so I can grab that and that be that you know

like I mean you know he's well off, obviously, because the average nigga been like, nah, I'm suing enough for two plays. I'm going to get 17 yards. And that's what they're basically telling them. If you make all NBA, we're going to give you Ant-Man numbers. If you make all defensive, we're going to give you Ant-Man numbers.

And don't get me wrong. I heard that. That's happened before. If you make all NBA, then you definitely get incentives. I thought we was talking about points and rebounds and shit like that. No, no, no.

It's all NBA. No, no, no. Okay. Well, yeah, that's happened several times. I'm thinking that you was talking about they ain't got to have average 42% from three and all that type of shit. But yeah, that's definitely happening.

I misunderstood. Sometimes you asking for money and people like me, like we just said, you ain't on Ant-Man level. All right, so if I get up to Ant-Man's level, then I want Ant-Man money. Yeah, that's fair. That becomes a good contract. Absolutely.

Now, don't get me wrong. Apologize to the agent. I misunderstood what Stat Red or what Mace was talking about. I thought they was basing this off of performance points, field goal percentage, free throw percentage, shit like that. Not making all NBA teams because that's part of a lot of people's contracts. Okay, so we're going to go to break. And when we return, we got to talk about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift.

Don't go anywhere. All this thinking bout is toxic 4 years of counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing I don't know What's happening to me won't fall Dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinking bout what She wanna be free

why am I in this woman way free hell I don't wanna see her walk away I wish somebody told me the rules disagreements let her win then it's. Even when I'm right to say Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy picks of the day. So tonight the Liberty will play the Lynx. Underdog Fantasy has Nafisa Collier at 32.5 points, rebounds

and assists. Do you have a high or lower mace? 32 points, rebounds and assists. Ah. This is a challenging one. I'm going to go higher. Lower.

Kayla McBride is at four first quarter points. Do you ever hire a lower cam? Higher. Higher. And Brianna Stewart is at 29 points and rebounds. Do you ever hire a lower mace? 20 what? 29 points and rebounds. Do you ever hire a lower mace? 20 what? 29 points and rebounds. No.

How much? 29 points and rebounds. Brianna Stewart. I'm going to go higher. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So before we even get into Travis Kelsey, because we've had a lot of talks about contract negotiations and all that stuff today. So apparently some NFL owners have discussed limiting contracts for quarterbacks. Do you guys think that there should be a limit on how high they can negotiate those contracts to be? yes and no.

The reason why I say yes is because a lot of times that the quarterbacks get paid so much that it doesn't leave enough money for the other players that are very intricate. Like I, as an example, OJ would always speak on here about how the running backs don't really get paid. But, you know, the quarterbacks get like this, this great lump sum of money and not not that they shouldn't.

But, you know, you want to leave room for the other important players on the team. And when I say yes and no, the reason why I say no is because of how important the quarterback is. You know what I'm saying? So you got both sides of the coin in that conversation. When you're talking about, is a team going to win without a quarterback? Absolutely not. Most times, even if they got somebody managing the team, they got to be great at managing. We saw that in the playoffs, at least my first two seasons on here as it is what it is when it got to football. I recognize that the

people that are playing quarterback, they're pretty much everything to that team. So that's why I say yes and no, because it's such a touchy situation that you don't want people thinking well we can't pay him but you have to have a happy quarterback to win if that had if that quarterback is disgruntled in any way he could sway the whole team because he's at the he's at he's the captain of the ship and what's the exact question Just to make sure I answered it correctly. Yeah, basically, so some NFL owners have discussed

limiting contracts for quarterbacks. Do you think that there should be a quarterback contract limit because of how high they've been able to negotiate for different? You mean as far as money's concerned?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sound like niggas hating in other positions for us, man. Sound like a lot of pocket watching this episode. Yeah, like, yo. Like, man, you said

Ogre come up here and fight week after week after week after week and complain with everybody. You be like, yo, oh, calm down. You got to stop hating. Hey, another quarterback that's getting paid. I'm going to miss, oh, I'd be like, yo, oh, calm down. You got to stop hating. Hey,

another quarterback that's getting paid. I'm going to miss, oh, I miss that nigga, man. But, it's almost like

Denzel in training day, man. He said, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. Go be a quarterback. Go be a quarterback. Yo,

listen, bro. You know, Mace was making some great points. You're not going to win without a quarterback. OJ was the best player, and I know we're going back decades and decades. In the NFL and won two games because they didn't have a quarterback. And he was the best player in the whole NFL. You know, rushed for over 2,000 yards in 14 game seasons, all type of shit, but won two games.

You need a quarterback to win. And if you don't have a good, decent quarterback, or like May said, a game manager, you're not going to win. I think, you know, I think personally, my opinion. They got to pay him. This started with the running backs having a secret meeting. You're like, yo, we got to do something. Let's talk to the next lowest paid niggas who not getting what they supposed to get.

And you might talk to the right tackle. Yo, quarterback niggas getting way too much, right? What you think? Yo, let's take it to the players union. Listen, man, this is the way it been. Like, it ain't been nothing new, nigga. You know Dan Marino. You know Joe Theismann.

You know Phil Simms. You know Joe Montana. You know Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman is making $18 million a year from originally being a fucking quarterback. You know, Tom Brady. The list goes on. Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger.

The biggest stars in the league are the quarterbacks. So it is what it is. I don't think it should be a limit, especially if you're performing at a high level and doing what you're supposed to do. And I think everybody gets paid accordingly. Now, don't get me wrong. I think there's a very, very big miscarriage of justice

being done to the running backs, especially that their career is probably the shortest career in the NFL because they take the most hits. So they don't have a long time, nine out of 10 times playing that long, and then you're paying them a lease. Junior Pop, Pop Warner, all that shit, start switching up now at eight, 9, 10 years old.

Get out of that running back position. Start figuring out other shit to do. And I think it was, we had up here, LaDainian. Who was up here with us? It wasn't LaDainian. I'm thinking LaDainian. It was A.B. and my other nigga from the Steelers. Le'Veon Bell? Le'Veon Bell. Le'Veon Bell. I said Steelers, that. Le'Veon Bell?

Le'Veon Bell. Well, I said his name. Le'Veon Bell. Sorry, Le'Veon. I'm getting the Mace shit that he's got that shit wearing on me. But yeah, I think I seen an article where he was saying that kids should start trying to play other positions because they're not getting paid. We're running backs should be getting paid.

So that's something for you to look into. And I'm sorry for the running backs who's going through it now, but make sure your kids don't suffer. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting you say that. I wish O would say I would be able to tell him this, that it is a conspiracy because when you look back at it from even a part one thing that you just brought up in the South. They don't let predominantly black kids

play quarterback, like if you go in, if you take your kid in in a park, he's a running back. He's a wide receiver. The last position he gets is quarterback. It's almost like it's set up to say he's going to be the quarterback, even if he doesn't have the arm. And that's crazy. I mean, probably not in Miami, but if you was in Jacksonville, Florida, if you were in Georgia, in the north side of Georgia, Gwinnett, Cobb, anywhere other than MLK. You know what I'm saying?

The quarterback is going to be a white kid, killer. That's crazy. Shout out to Calvin Russell. He's black and he's the number one quarterback in southern Florida. So Macy's, you know, I can't speak for Northern Florida. But Southern Florida, 6'5", my homegirl Nene's son, All-American in both sports, basketball and football.

So shout out to Nene, shout out to Calvin. Looking forward to seeing you play football and basketball this upcoming season. Yeah, shout out to him. Pardon me, Calvin Russell. Pardon me, Calvin Russell. I apologize, Calvin Russell. See, you making fun of me and getting on you. Because I was trying to just remember his name.

He's still, the nigga's about to be a junior. He's not even about to be a senior this nigga's number one for basketball and football in southern Florida so I don't know him as Calvin Russell I know him as my nephew Cam so pardon me murder you know that's

nephew nigga the last player that was like that was Allen Iverson yeah I mean to your, to your knowledge, to your knowledge, I'm talking about basketball and yeah, to your knowledge. Okay.

Who else? It's been a lot of players. Who else? Ant-Man played three sports. No, you said top of the sport. Yeah. Well,

you took me first. Yeah. I'm not going to debate that, which you might be right. Yeah. So Alex, Alex was the number one be right Yeah So Allen Iverson Was the number one In football too

Allen Iverson what I would bet you Ten dollars That he wasn't The number one Player in football The year that he was Number one in basketball

I would bet You know I'm an expert That's why you have me here I want you to be right Yeah alright Well That baby Yeah I want you to

I want you to be right That baby Go ahead and do it I'm hoping that you're right Come on That's why they pay me The big bucks I think I want you to be right I want you to be right I want you to be right this is why they pay me the big bucks this is why I get the Stephen A salary when I made a point I think you changed the word you said he's a top

in basketball and football he got some time while I search that quick little fun one. So Travis Kelsey joined Taylor Swift on stage during her concert

for the Heiress Tour in London. He popped up in a top hat as a performer. How do you guys just in general feel about

the continued Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift hype and the Kelsey's off season? It must be going great. Like Killer said, he had the opportunity to get two more million, and he's so in love, he didn't go back out to get his two.

I would have got my other two million, but that's another conversation. If he want to pop up with the hat, Killer, the hat he had on was worse than my purple one so i don't know how to really think about this maybe you should tell us what you feel about it's that um the top hat false i don't have a problem with the top hat that's like the culture like part of the costume like he can do that if he wants i think think him... Me, personally, at first, I feel like I was hating a little bit

because it was just getting annoying when I wanted to watch football. But now, like, I think it's cute. I support it. You feel like you were hating? Yeah, because I didn't

want to see that. I wanted to watch football. I was tired of seeing Taylor Swift and all that in between. But now I'm like, okay, it's cute. But granted,

it's not football season right now. So I like seeing it. When the season comes, I don't want to see the pan from Taylor to Travis. I don't want to keep seeing that. You just want to see a good football game. I just want to see a good football game. I'm tired of seeing Taylor Swift.

If I wanted to go see Taylor Swift, I would have went to a concert. But now, I like it. You like it? Yeah. I like it because they're winning. When they're not winning, I think it's too much. I'm going to be honest. I'm not going to be a bandwagon person.

I love Titletown. We was Titletown before Taylor got here. And we appreciate her, add her into Titletown. But when they're not winning, I think it doesn't look right. So as long as they're winning, if they want to do a rodeo show, they can do that. If they want to do the country album together, they want to do flowers in the barn and all that.

Do whatever you want, as long as you're winning. When you're not winning, it looks like a bit much. And I'm waiting for my answer because because i'm looking because we need to settle this and settle this now yeah i'm still looking because all you guys look up is no i know to that extent well i was trying to see if there's other players that even are even comparable because to alan iverson's you know impact i have not found somebody but they're putting out names like garrett wilson he was a high prospect no the question is was he the number one football player yeah exactly at the same time that's what i'm saying if there was other comparable anyway what i like to know

mace is this i'm not talking about travis kelsey and taylor swift in the middle of June. It's 108 degrees outside. What I'd rather talk about is this. Do you, what do you think? He earned associate press high school player of the year award in both. Can you read that? Yeah. It says he was associated press high school player of the year award in both football and basketball and won the division five triple a,

but it doesn't say that he was the number. Like exactly. That's what I'm trying. That it doesn't say that he was the number, like. Exactly. That's what I'm trying to find. So, like, he did have high accolades, but it didn't say that he was number one prospect. He won the award, but was he number one? He was the player of the year.

That doesn't mean you're number one, Mace. Oh, my goodness. Anyway, Mace, while y'all doing that, what do you think about Aaron Rodgers not showing up the mandatory minicamp? And not only that, I forget what position he played. Let me find out.

Getting locked up for marijuana. Aaron Rodgers? I'm about to leave for the day in a few minutes, everybody. That don't even sound right. That don't sound right. Nobody's here for the show. He's minutes, everybody. That don't even sound right. That don't sound right. Nobody's here. It doesn't sound right. For the show.

He's so focused on trying to find if Allen Iverson is right. No, I'm not. I already found it. I already found it. In 1981 that we can't keep up with the current offense because he's wrong about, because he said Associated Press. Let me school everybody that was going on. Let me take the show over.

May said that Allen Iverson was number one in football, basketball at the same time. I said, there's been plenty of players like that. Then he said, I said number one. So I'm mistaken.

I said that I didn't hear that. I did, but I wasn't paying attention. But his face told me he was lying. So now he needs to go on a scavenger hunt and find out what's going on.

And I'm trying to move on to other topics. But we're spending eight minutes on this topic. So when I'm trying to bring something else, they can't really find the stats or anything else when I'm trying to move on. So let me tell you what I think. I think it's fucked up that Aaron Rodgers

hasn't shown up to minicamp because he wasn't there all last season. And then you have to get camaraderie with your team. Julius Edelman tried to throw him under the bus. Sometimes I think retired players got to chill out because Julius Edelman, as good as you was, you didn't have the career that Aaron Rodgers had, and Aaron Rodgers is still playing.

And you might be younger than Aaron Rodgers. I don't know this for a fact. But I will say this, Aaron Rodgers, they're depending on you. I know you're older. I know you may not think it's necessary to be there in June being that you have a few months left to the season. But when you're in New York,

these are all the things that people panic about. You got hurt last year. You didn't play the whole year. Now you're missing mandatory minicamp because you had something personal to do which people don't know. Now people in New York may accept this if you tell them what the fuck you had to do. But when you start talking about I had a personal engagement, that's fucked up. Get your ass to Camp Aaron because people in New York will be

pissed off if something goes wrong again. Now, do you have the stats? So there's a's a tiktok but that's not my verified stories there's a tiktok that says that he was the number one prospect but when i'm looking at 1994 it was heinz ward oh so that's why i'm like back and forth because i'm like i don't have an exact correct source and i'm and i like to have my things correct. Murder, man. Murder, man. I'm not mad because it's not guaranteed. It's not guaranteed. No, I mean, the way you're going about it is just unruly. You know what I'm saying? You don't want me to be right, but I'm right.

And those that have a computer is going to know'm right so show me on the computer you've told those that have a computer will tell you he won no war but was he the number one player we can't find him that's what i i'm standing on what i said right he was the number one basketball player and the number one football player in that state no you't say that. Now you're changing it to that state. What are we saying? You said to that state? We say he was the number one football player and basketball player.

Yeah. Overall, state is probably true. I'm just trying to find... State, I'm going to go with you on state. That's what you said about, you said the guy was the number one player in South Florida, right? That's in South Florida.

He's not the number one player in the whole country. Right. I said the last person to do that was Allen Robinson. But that don't mean he's even the number one player in the state. He's the number one player in South Florida. That's not the state. So I never said the state. Well, then South Florida would be the city? South Florida

would be the region. Okay, so in the region. South Florida, Central Florida, Northern Florida. So that would be equivalent to him being the same one.. So in the region. South Florida, Central Florida, Northern Florida. So that will be equivalent to him being the same one. That's definitely not equivalent. In the region. My biggest money don't want to be wrong.

No, South Florida is not that, it's not that big. I'm from Florida. But what are you talking about? I never say he's the best in the state. I say he's the best

in South Florida. Yeah. And I said the last person to do some, to do that was Allen Iverson. Okay. But then you changed the last person to do that was Allen Iverson. Okay, but then you changed to the state. I'm giving Allen Iverson more props

than Calvin because Calvin's just number one in South Florida. He's not number one in the state. But Murda, I'm going to give you the $10 for the sake. No, I don't want the $10. No, I'm going to give you the $10. I don't want the $10. I just want Stat to be quick on the Stat.

Just to make this clear because I am stat baby for a reason and I don't want people questioning that. When you search it, you will see that there's an article that says Iverson was the number one quarterback in the class of 1994 ahead of Peyton Manning. But there's only one source. That's the problem. There's only one source who

says this and it's this guy who has a TikTok and I do not know who this TikToker is. When I look through, that's what problem there's only one source who says this and it's this guy who has a TikTok and I do not know who this TikToker is when I look through that's what it says hold the fuck on you said alright Iverson was crazy

in high school now I will make another bet he was crazy in high school I will make another bet because you said the state Peyton Manning

wasn't in Virginia I will make another bet that he wasn't a better quarterback than Peyton Manning is that another $10? They said Iverson was... They said... Let me

give you my source now. They said Iverson was better in football than he was in basketball. That's what they... Iverson said that as well. Yeah. But do you want to make a bet on another $10? That he was better than Peyton Manning?

That he was ranked higher than Peyton Manning? In high school? Yes. Yes. I don't want to make that bet. For people that don't know, I'm just giving you an example. This is what happens on the corner on Lennox. But this would have lasted four hours because niggas would have went off

and came back and been like, did you find out? Yeah, did you find out? That's what we was doing. I forgot we was on TV. You got to go to the rankings because he probably is higher now that I'm thinking about it. Okay, so this is a news textbook. Back to the textbooks newspaper articles textbook that's why i'm like y'all got me deep like this is not no like people will read the

article and be like oh no no like no it doesn't say that when you keep going be on the internet with the answer in the morning yeah they can because this article says top recruits from 1994 when peyton manning came out of high school according to blue chip illustrated number one is this guy named josh booty and and Peyton Manning is at 11. So even as far as 1994 best freshman class, I mean, he's not here, but obviously Allen Iverson was a really good prospect. I just don't think that he was number one according to what I have found. It's probably debatable, but as far as records show, like Max Preps has not taken me back to 1994 so I'm not like seeing certain things

y'all put me on the spot I'm telling you what I see and I don't know these we're not on the spot for that I don't know these sources that was moving

the goalposts I was talking about the current with the I mean incompatible with what. I was talking about current with the, I mean, incompatible with what the guy was. That's his nephew. That's all it was.

Okay. And then last thing before we wrap, we're going to hit a couple of these before we continue. So I did want to discuss trades that happened earlier in the season.

Now versus then. And if you guys think it worked this is going to be a continuation because we have time for about two today where we wrap um but the first one is obviously the Mavs getting PJ Washington from the Hornets do you guys feel like that was a beneficial trade and did it work for the Mavs I think that's one of the better traits of all of the list of traits that we're talking about here that I'm seeing on my list. Whether you talk about Buddy

Hill, whether you talk about Gordon Hayward, we talked about that. I believe it's right there with Dennis Schroeder from the Raptors. I would go if I had to put these in order. P.J. Watson was definitely a great trade

because it turned this Mavs team into a whole different team. The whole thing is real quick, just say the list so that the audience, they can't see your list. So Mavs, the Mavs trading,

the Mavs traded for P.J. Watson from the Hornets you got the 76ers who got Buddy Hill OKC who got from the Hornets also Gordon Haywood and then the Nets acquired Dennis Schroeder

from the Raptors and our guy Pat Bev he got traded to the Bucs. And, oh, it's still more. Yeah, we're going to hit the other half as a continuation, but I did just want to go through. Okay.

Yeah. So in that first list, I think P.J. Watson was an excellent trade and an excellent acquirer because, like I said, it changed that entire Dallas team. It began to highlight their backcourt and took the pressure off them to be anything but a backcourt because of what he was able to do. For me, that's what I saw with that. With his defense and the way he was able to score,'s inside and outside was a major upgrade for that team. Even though they couldn't find an answer for Porzingis, it doesn't take away that this was a great trade.

You can read the list that to the audience that Macy's talking about so they have the people that were just so they could hear it again. Yeah, so we'll just hit the first three. So the Mavs got PJ Washington from the Hornets. The 76ers got Buddy Heald and OKC added Gordon Hayward from the Hornets. So basically out of those three, I feel like

it's an easy answer. Who do you feel like had the best trade? Yeah, I think PJ Washington was the best trade for the Mavericks. Buddy Heald, I would have thought, would be a better trade. But he just, for some reason, he didn't show up this year. I was really thinking that was going to be a good trade. PJ Washington, they went to the championship.

Who's the other people? went to the championship? And who's the other people? We got Gordon Hayward and then 76ers getting Buddy Heald. And Gordon Hayward just fell off the map. I mean, he got so bad

his wife was begging to get him in a game. Yeah, that's a fact. Outside of PJ Washington, which whatever to that too, Porzingis is the winner of the trade. All these people we talking about lost. Y'all lost.

Boston couldn't get it done. Porzingis is part of them helping them getting done. Porzingis won the trade shit from last year. Now, PJ Washington, I think he, him, Gafford, those two, you know, especially at the deadline, getting Gafford was a big asset to Dallas, and P.J. Washington contributed heavily into the championship. You want to know who won the trade shit this offseason? Boston.

Drew Holiday? Yep. Porzingis. Boston. Drew Holiday. Yep. Porzingis. Championship. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Day one. Anybody else? Dennis Schroeder.

I ain't hear about Dennis Schroeder since the Lakers. When he won. The nigga Buddy Hill. Buddy Hill, to be honest with you, he ain't really been popping lately neither. Like, that nigga been quiet I just gotta go to we gotta go to

Titletown that's we have to go to Titletown and those trades were spectacular especially Drew Holiday

because yeah for Marcus Smart that was great you know because at the end of the day um That was great. You know, because at the end of the day, the Bucs I'm talking about,

not necessarily the moves that Brad Stevens and the Celtics pulled off, but the Bucs, they probably are more hurt than anybody because they're saying, you know, there's nothing worse than when a team comes back, it has to beat you, even though they didn't play each other

in the playoffs, and beat you with the niggas you traded to them. So, pause. So, Boston was, I mean, pardon me, the Milwaukee Bucks were thinking, we going to put them on the West Coast and put them with Portland

so we ain't got to even worry about this nigga. And Brad Stevens and the rest of the staff over there said, oh, no, you don't. We right back in the mix of things on the East Coast. And now Drew Holiday has more titles than Giannis. Let's take that into consideration. A big consideration.

Okay, y'all. Well, that is all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is. What you want nigga Everything nigga super size Super max Like when they doing them two for five