IT IS WHAT IT IS - SEBASTIAN TELFAIR CHECKS IN WITH IT IS WHAT IT IS TO GET IT ALL OFF HIS CHEST

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one with NYC HS Basketball LEGEND & former NBA player, Sebastian Telfair ***NEW MERCH** Shop the Come And Talk 2 Me Store....https://comeandtalk2me.com  Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $100 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson.

Bass, what up, yo? You can hear us? Yo, I can hear you. What's good? What's good? What's good, baby? You ready to go Cat Williams of sports today? This is you've been told.

30 million views, nigga. You better get everything off your chest you've been telling me, man. Look, if you don't tell it, they ain't going to tell it. So, you know, it is what it is. I got to tell them what it is. All right, let's go. Because you was yelling at me on the TV. Mase, what's good, Mase?

We coming with smokes, man. What's good, my guy? Don't come up here as a friend. We going to be friends after this is over. Yeah, look. They love me. Yeah, they love me. First love yourself. Welcome back to It Is What It Is.

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It will also match your first deposit up to $100, and you get a special pick when you sign up. I'm Treja Wilson, a.k.a. Stat Baby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam, and today we got a special guest Sebastian Telfair what's good murder what's good baby how's Australia man you alright yeah you seen Michigan

nigga don't try to talk to me about Australia did you see Michigan or not I'm waiting for Maurice I know we got company did you see Michigan I was saving for Maurice Correa You don't even know

I'm putting a montage together All the teams you picked Before we even Before Michigan got there You picked Oregon You was doing All season for the Georgia Bulls And now

When they get down To the last two teams You know people in Michigan You used the M hat That was stood for Mace to try and act like it. Don't worry about it. Tomorrow,

tomorrow morning when Maurice come, we got some, we got some shit. I'm good on you, bro. I'm good on you. I'm good on you. You're on the right hand.

I don't like that for you. I don't like that for you. Yo, listen. I don't like that for you. Yo, listen. We got company, killer. Yo, listen. We got company, killer.

I don't know what's going on, but you got it. Pause. You got a different glow in Australia. You might need to stay out there. Your skin looking better. You, you lying and niggas better.

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Back to you, Murda. I'm cool. Like you said, we got company. We'll get back to what we need to do later. Introducing Sebastian Telford. Sebastian, what's up, man? Yo. What's good? What's good? Now listen, real quick, before we start,

I'm not even going to bring my stats up. I ain't even going to go that far. I'm going to pull them up in a little while. Yeah, Birdman hand rubs, nigga. Bassey reached out to me about a few months ago saying that he loved the show. Thank you for that and showing us mad support. And this probably was about in September.

So the other day when I was on Up In Smoke with Matt Barnes and Steven Jackson, he was yelling at me, Steven Jackson, and Matt Barnes through the TV. You know how you watch this on the TV? Y'all was up there wildin'. Y'all was up there wildin'. And you start yelling at the TV,

like, nigga, y'all niggas hating on New York, niggas. Kim, I bust your ass, you was a shit. He was saying all this at the TVD like, nigga, y'all niggas hating on New York, niggas. Care my bus, your ass, you was a shit. He was saying all this at the TV. So I'm looking like, damn, he yelling at niggas through the TV. Yo, Bass, I don't think you're the best player out of Coney Island. I don't even think you're the best out of Coney Island. Let's start there. What are you going to have?

Let's start there. Let's start from the third floor to the fourth floor. Let's start in. Who you going to have? Let's start there. I heard you scream at Steph. Let's start from the third floor to the fourth floor. Let's start in the same building. You may not be the best player in your building. Are you the best player in your building? Listen, listen, listen. Steph came downstairs on our court in our building, and we had that little squabble.

We had that little squabble. I won that little, we had that little squabble. I won. So what I'm saying is this for the viewers that don't know, Stephon Marbury is his cousin and they lived in the same building. You're saying that you beat him. How much you beat him, Bob?

We had a legendary game. We had a legendary game on the block. One on one. Steph pulled up with the red. Steph pulled up with the white Rover. This is when the Rovers just changed. We on a block. Because I beat the nigga, too.

So, I beat the nigga, too. So, I don't know what that means. That's a fact. That's a fact. Look, look, look. Steph probably scared the rappers, though. Y'all probably was rapping stuff in. No, hold on.

Hold on. We going too far too quick. We going too fast. Hold on. No, no, no. It ain't you. too far too quick. We're going too fast. Hold on. No, no, no. It ain't you. It's Mace. Mace already a tagline.

It's not you, Beth. I want to hear about this game. I want to hear how old you was. I want to hear how old he was. Was he in the league? Was you in high school? And how did the game go and the capacity of how it was in Coney Island?

Could you explain this one-on-one game between you and your cousin, Stephon Marbury? Hot summer day. We on the bench chilling. Steph pulled up with the white rover in the parking lot. And from the bench,

you could see the basketball court. And through the basketball court, you see the parking lot. Hold on, Bass. Not the country. That's what I'm saying. What year is this? Are you in the NBA?

Is he in the NBA? How old was you? I'm 16. He in the nba is he in the nba is what how old was you i'm 16 i'm i'm 16 he in the nba already okay gotcha this is maybe his fourth fifth year in the league something like that okay something like that so steph pulled up this is summertime you know i'm saying steph is you know he probably was in australia somewhere you know some stacks of money chilling and all that he pulled back up to the jays and he wanted that smoke because he was hearing like yo everybody's like yo your cousin your cousin your cousin so he pulled up so he got out the car he like i'm getting my sneakers i'm like oh okay so we started playing long story short i'm like ski ski ski the score like 10-3 steph had to change the vibe he like this bully ball now backing me down boom

boom elbow lay up one of the OGs on the block stopped the game when we had a legend another legendary game three blocks down where the whole neighborhood was there like this is like legendary game and Steph come down he scored and he was like yo I'ma see you in four years and I get the ball I shoot from half court the whole Coney Island gonna be in the comments

contestant says from half like this I said I'ma see you in two years like I'm not going to college yeah it was quiet

yeah it was a huge argument after that but you feel me you already know the vibe. So you're better than Stephon Marbury, you said. I mean, if y'all going to leave me out of the conversation, nah, I'm too big in the culture on what I did,

especially at this time. Yes, like I'm bigger than Stephon the coach of what we did at that time. Yeah, yeah. And Steph inspired me. But I inspired all the kids. I showed them how to how to do it. That's the real truth of Of course, it's about Coney Allen, but anybody from New York City in urban basketball can relate to what you went through outside of school, what you did in high school. It was amazing.

You know, 55 points, 61 points a year. It's very hard. You know, me and Mace went to the championship. We went to the Garden once and lost. So to win three times in New York City PSAL is a tremendous accolade. But I'm not done because Lance Stevenson did it four times. And what do you, Joe, so are you better than born ready?

But that's why I'm trying to tell you I'm so big for the culture because Lance come after me. I didn't ask you who came before or for. I didn't ask you that. I asked you, are you better than Lance Stevenson? That's what I asked you. I didn't ask you who came before or for. I set the ball. I didn't ask you that. I asked you, are you better than Lance Stevenson? That's what I asked you. I didn't ask you about setting the ball. Lance don't want it either. Tell Lance, Lance don't want it either.

And that's my youngin'. That's my youngin'. Lance pulled up. Hold on. I got to give it to Lance right now because Lance pulled up on me to some regular vibe on vacation. Threw me 50 bands.

You know what I'm saying? On a yo, yo yo big homie like ah i remember everything the first time lance ran the steps right the first time lance ran the steps was with me right that's the fact so we set the bar but now lance damn one that smoke with young bassy like this one like this dude right there like hold on you talk about him like that dude yeah i don't know about when everybody got in the league and everybody got their contracts and you feel me? I don't know about all that.

But talking about this dude right there? Nah. Before we get to the league, we're sticking purely with high school right now. So you're saying... Yeah, I'm talking about the impact on culture. Facts. Right, so right now, purely high school,

you're better than Lance Stevenson and Stephon Marbury, you're saying? Facts. Okay. Yeah, because killer, you talking all basketball, you're going into the stats. The people going to tell you just how we did it. I brought Braun to the hood to play

in IAC. The best player in the world. The thing about it is this, and I would almost say you're too young, but you're not young because you was around Steph and everybody else. But Steph bought Kevin Garnett.

He bought all the niggas to their hood too. Kevin Garnett is not LeBron. Yo, but at the same time, Kevin Garnett was lit. Kevin Garnett kind of... He was lit, but he's not LeBron.

Listen, Kevin Garnett kind of set it off for niggas to go from high school to the NBA at that particular time. Got out the ticket.

Yeah, so at the end of the day, he kind of, I'm not saying he was first, but in the 90s, he was kind of first to go from the NBA. Not from New York. That's the first thing. And he's seven feet. Stop it. What's your point, though? LeBron's 6'9". What's your point?

LeBron, he's not seven feet. And Kevin Garnett's not seven feet. He's your point, though? LeBron 6'9". What's your point? LeBron ain't not 7'0". And Kevin Garneau ain't not 7'0". He's 6'11". No, I'm not taking nothing from KG. KG did his thing. KG was on

the Sports Illustrated. Y'all brought that up on all the smoke. And that's how I started yelling at the TV. Like, hold on. I was on a couple

of Sports Illustrated, too. A couple times. And y'all ain't bringing that up. Yeah, because we was talking about the name. You know what? Get this shit off your chest.

What you got a problem with? I'm just, I'm just, I'm just telling, they're going to tell you how we did it, killer. You tell me how y'all did it.

We was parking where the teachers was parking. We went on salary in sixth grade. I'm talking about like that type of deal, like that type of vibe, that type of stuff

we was doing. Now we changed the game. We showed them how to do it right now. Like, before I got to the league, like, Mace, I'm talking to you. You feel me? You know what I'm saying? You're the fly. You showed us a lot of the style in New York.

Before I got to the league, when I got to the league, everybody was wearing walkers. Like, it was matching walkers. Like, top and bottom from I got in the league, I showed them the style. So, what y'all see now, that's me showing them that. You see dudes with designer kitted up with the eye with the toy and all that. I brought that into the league. I walked in with the movie, with the book, and all that stuff.

Like, when they see a perfect picture now for a kid coming in, like, I showed them that. Like, step by step. And I stand them that. Like, step by step. And I stand on that. Tell me your top 10. Tell me your top 10 guys out of New York. Steph, Kenny Anderson,

Andre Barrett. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, like, you know, order. Andre Barrett, Omar Cook, Tali Brown. Gary Irvin. My guy, Gino Lawrence. Butchie Hawkins from Coney Island. Earl of Pearl is New York, right? Yeah. It's Earl of Pearl. Earl of Pearl is New York, right? Yeah. It's Earl of Pearl. Earl of Pearl, New York. Facts. So New York is like a long, long list.

But dudes like Taliq, Omar. You wildin'. Who? Wildin'. Who I'm missing? You ain't say Sham Guard. You talking about culture. You talking to me.

And I grew. Listen, I came up under Sham. This is why I'm trying to tell you I was so shocked. I was with Sham when I'm in sixth grade, fifth grade, seventh grade. I mean, I'm with Sham. My brother went to college with him up in Providence. I seen, I seen a Sham before he put it on TV. I brought that back to the Jays already.

That's a fact. So you ain't got Sham in your top 10? And the coach at Sham is top six for sure right now. So this is the thing. For the coach up? For the coach up? This is the thing. We got to get categories because we're talking about culture.

We're talking about high school. We're talking about professional. Right now, we're on culture. But let's get the basketball outside of culture. You're better than Mark Jackson as a basketball player. Way better. I love Mark Jackson. Stop playing. I'm way better than Mark Jackson.

Okay, you're better than Skip to my loose. You're better than Mark. Mark is a good player, but stop it. I used to play against Mark Jackson when I was 16 up at Hunter College. Ask him. Run the gym. You're better than Ross Strickland. Yo,

shout out Ross Strickland. I come from a mighty sharp placement when it comes to basketball. Yeah, I'm better than Ross Strickland. You better than Skip the Malou. You better than Rafer. You better than Rafer.

You better than Rafer. Skip got a lot to do with the culture too. He like, he like three, four when it come to the culture. Nah. Skip don't want it.

Skip don't want no problem with it. Skip don't want it. Skip will tell you that. Skip gonna come on when he tell you, you're like, nah, bad as year,

bad as year. I was getting, I was up in Rucker. Me and Skip played together in the Rucker. I was starting. They brought the, they brought the little, I was up in Rucka. Me and Skip played together in the Rucka. I was starting. They brought their little... I was up there.

Young boy. Starting. Skip was backing me up. He was doing his thing. I love Skip. I love Skip. I love Skip. He was doing his thing.

You're freaking crazy. You're freaking crazy. Skip was his backup. Yo. You talking about nice. Yo, listen. You talking about nice Yo listen You talking about nice 13 pick Out of my days Out of my days

13 pick My assistant coaches Man My assistant coaches I was Uncles You better than Jamal Tinsley

I love Tinsley It's my guys Like I know These guys raised me But Tinsley I played against Tinsley it's my guys like I know these guys raised me but Tinsley I played against Tinsley in the league I played against Tinsley

in the league Larry Bird Larry Bird told me after the game you just kick Tinsley ass that's what Larry Bird said out of his mouth

you just kick Tinsley ass I was in I was in Minnesota he came down Larry Bird's out of his mouth. You just kicked Tinsley's ass. I was in Minnesota. He came down to the paces. I think I probably have about 29, 10, something like that. It's the league. Okay.

So everybody so far. Mace, do you have any other names? Because he's better than everybody I named. Did I miss anybody? I'm looking like LeBron out this thing in New York, bro. Now that y'all say it, now that y'all really say it, I'm like, I didn't even know.

It's like, were you better than Alimo? You better than Black Widow? Alimo, rest in peace. Alimo is huge for the culture also. You feel me, Alimo? We got him like at nine on the culture side.

Wait, so on the culture list, you number one on the culture? On the culture list from New York City? Yeah. The people are going to say, Cam, Bassie's number one. Who knows? Who knows? That's why I'm saying murder. He keep naming niggas, tell your name on the culture.

Yeah, it's me. Look, look, look. Murder, murder, murder. Look, I'm going to keep it. Talk to me. I'm going to keep it in stack with you, Bassey. This is what people put in my DMs. They say Bassey was playing against midgets with Euro moves.

That's what they're saying. They say you got the moves from the Euro League and you're playing against niggas 5-5. That's what they're saying. I just told you I just gave Jamal Tinsley in the NBA 29-5. That's what they saying. I just told you I just gave Jamal Tinsley in the NBA 29 and 10. I'm talking about basketball. I'm fully defending that all

the way. I put 22,000 in the scene, MSG. The director of PSAL walked in before the game and was like, bro, I ain't never seen nothing like this. You got 22,000 people out there. I'm talking about that, bro. You have to add everybody you name games up to fill that spot up in high school.

Stop playing. They said part of it was basketball, but part of it was streets, that you had niggas in the stands telling niggas don't foul you and all that. So the kids were scared of you. I'm just telling you what they told me. You know, it's my job to do the research. They said it wasn't all basketball. No, that's

Super Cat. That's Super Cat. Super Cat. Well, listen. We definitely was coming. We definitely was coming like We definitely was coming. We had 200 people coming wanting to see what move was going to be done.

That's what I'm trying to tell y'all. Y'all trying to leave that out. It's a lot. It's a killer. It's a lot. I had Jay in the stand. No, you had Derek Jeter there too. Look at him. Amar Rashad. Derek Jeter was there. Jay-Z stand. No, no. You had Jay in the stand. You had Derek Jeter there too. Look at Amar Rashad.

Derek Jeter was there. Jay-Z was coming to see you. You had a lot of celebrities and professional athletes that was popular in New York at that time. Everybody was coming to see you. Look, I just wanted to hear your argument, but I'm not going to sit here

and debate your high school career whatsoever. I'm not debating what you've done for high school coming out of New York City. My debate is if you're better than certain people or not. As far as your movement, and that's what I see your argument is a lot, not saying that you're not arguing basketball, but you're saying your movement with basketball included, nobody had a bigger movement at high school than you had. Is that what you're saying? Including basketball? No, not not even close. I'm just the first Indian over the hill.

I'm the first Indian over the hill. So it's like we showed them everything. You know what I'm saying? It's just they go exactly, you know, planned out. But stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. I'm saying? It just didn't go exactly, you know, planned out. But stop it. Stop it, stop it, stop it. I got to stand on that. Like, we did a lot for the culture. And have fun doing it. And put it on camera for the kids to see.

Yeah, I mean, it was televised. Like I said, I love your documentary. Yeah, definitely. Definitely was televised. God, I remember you was going to say something. Yeah, I want to get into the story because I, you know, when I did my research,

I was like, yo, this story is phenomenal. I want to start from the day, like, realistically, like, what made you wear the number 31? You know what I'm saying? Where did you get that from?

The facts. That's 31 from my my block that's the block i come from you know i'm saying um yeah it's it's kind of a long story but uh rp my my god david my friend david that passed away from my block he didn't play basketball and um one of the ogs made him play so he was like yo you gotta play and he was like, yo, you gotta play. And he was like, all right, give me number 31 because that's my block. And he ended up getting killed like the summer after.

So I ended up weighing number 31 to represent my block just because he said that. So 31 being legendary. And that's why I was mad when I got to the NBA certain teams,

I can't get number 31. I was like, come on, crazy. What do you mean? And RP to your guy also as well. And your brother just passed away. Our prayers are with you with that.

I see he played a big part in that documentary and I see he motivated you a lot in high school. Being that I'm talking about that, let me ask you this because we was watching the documentary. You know, I watched it a couple of days ago because I knew, I mean, I've seen it play at times

before a couple of days ago, but. I mean, I've seen it play at times before a couple days ago, but I just wanted to catch up on it. Your brother was the assistant coach of your team. Was he the assistant coach of Lincoln before you got there or when you started playing? My other brother played ball, too. Well, two of my brothers played ball at Lincoln, so he was a very assistant coach for a couple of years before I got there.

Three, four years before I got there. But he coached in the community my whole life. Was your brother's playing when he... The reason I'm asking this is because I'm trying to get to something. When your brothers played at Lincoln as well, you're saying? Yeah. Two of my brothers. And he was the coach. Actually really played of my one of my two of my brothers and he was the coach actually really played in lincoln and he was the coach and he was the coach there when he got there too so did did your family manipulate that lincoln situation like

yannis is doing for his brothers like basically if you want my brothers to come here i need to be coaching did y'all did you monopolize that like that? Were you the first Indian over the hill for that as well, to get your family involved with the school? It ended up being like that, but no, not really. Not really. That was the best thing, my brother being the coach, because he coached most of the guys in the community since we was like,

yay, ha. You know what I'm saying? My brother Dan was like, he's like most of the guys in the community since we was like yay ha right i'm saying my brother dan was like he's like he's like major and coney allen for us with basketball that's what's up something real quick because i know mace has a few questions just something off the top of my head that you said real quick what do you mean because we talked about it not much before we got here and you just said something that made me want to ask about it you was like we was the original nil and so on and so forth and you just said something that made me want to ask about it. You was like, we was the original NIL and so on and so forth. And you just said something that you've been on payroll since sixth grade. What the fuck are you talking about?

Go ahead. Tell us what payroll since sixth grade is like. Give us an example. Yeah, payroll since sixth grade is crazy. Yeah, it's wild. I would like to hear that. Let me hear how that goes. That's the thing.

That's that Nike tool. That's Nike. That's Nike popping up. The first ones that really put me on payroll. Y'all see when I'm in a slam magazine holding a Nike. I'm holding not even a basketball shoe. It's like some 97s or something. Yeah, they was cashing out from there.

And then once I got to like eighth grade and I was going to go to high school, that's when Adidas got into the picture. So they was talking about Chris Webber was, you know, they had Chris Webber all pinned up and they say he got like, like 200,000. I was like, what? We definitely one of the most highly paid collegiate athletes ever. I was, you know, we was 15 of us killers, like 15 brothers and sisters, 14 of us. So yeah, I turned it into a business immediately. So what grade? So you're saying in sixth, seventh grade, you was doing business with Nike?

Facts. And what's the sixth? Fifth grade, we got a contract. Fifth grade, my man Ziggy, we got a contract. I remember him calling me to the crib. He was like, we got this contract because of you. I'm not giving you all the money. And I was like, we got this contract because of you. I'm not giving you all the money. And I was like,

can I get a jacket? I got an Averax and some foam posits. $250 for the foam posits, $500 for the Averax. I ain't looking back since. So give me a zip. Wait, wait, wait. Yo, yo, how much money can we

say Nike gave you? As a seventh grader. Yeah. I mean, you hear the tell, like, this your story. I don't know. I don't know. How much money your man got?

You know why, Murda? I can understand his answer because you know why? They may not have told him. He may have needed what he needed and said they said this is what you want the avericks the phones now we was on a monthly we was on a monthly we was on a monthly you gotta remember we struggling this whole time before that right we struggling the whole time before that the vibe is not like,

oh, like regular. The vibe is like, shoot. Okay, when you say a monthly, now I'm going back with murder. Give us an example of what your monthly would be. Maybe at first,

maybe like two to three thousand. And then probably like eighth grade, probably like five thousand. Among? Among. And now what about high school? You said Adidas came into play now I'm glad

you brought that up very similar because when I watched very similar just for people right I watched through the documentary

and I seen a bunch of Adidas shit getting dropped off at your school it was all type of Adidas packages sneakers windbreakers

and everything now you're saying that the school got this Adidas deal because of you, and not only did your school, Lincoln High School, got Adidas because of you, but you were getting paid as well. No, we started getting Nike money when I was in fifth grade. I became the top fifth grade in the country, and that was with Ziggy.

We had Nike from fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade. And then now I got to go to high school. So the high school, we can't really control it yet. So we got, they was with Adidas already. So then we went on a salary with Adidas. I went to ABCD camp.

Won the first and only eighth grader to go to ABCD camp and win MVP. A.V. Grader. I'm in with T.J. Gordon. Now, go ahead. I want to finish. Hold on, Murda.

Hold on, Murda. Let him finish the ABCD story because that's like five stars for us. Go ahead. Finish telling us about who was you playing against at A.V. Grader

and then, Murda, you go after. I just want to hear it. I don't want to cut his story off. Everybody that went to the league was there at this time. This is Raymond Felton, Darren Williams, Braun, Lenny Cook. Like anybody and everybody that was playing ball

at this time was at this camp. And they brought me up there as an eighth grader. And I was the last dude to get a jersey. And I still end up getting MVP. Fact. And this is Sonny sunny vicaro shout out to sunny vicaro and i remember them calling my mom's up there going into the room having a meeting me and my mom sunny and my sister and my mom she was ready she my mom was rp my mom's like she knew

the vibe they was like how much money y'all make he was like nothing so whatever y'all give us what you feel me we got They cashed us out. Facts. Now, Murda has a bunch of things to say, and I'm going to step out for a second. But Murda told me yesterday that you give him Lenny Cook vibes. That's what he told me.

I give him Lenny Cook vibes? He told me. Look, look. A little bit of that is in the story. But like I said, they still say with a 13th pick, Sebastian Telfair. I got a full pension.

I played 10 years. I got locked up four times when I was in the league. Stop it. Stop it, bro. Stop it. Stop it. Nah. But I love Lenny Cook, so I would never disrespect Lenny Cook.

But yeah, it's a lot of that. It's a little bit of that in the story, but it's different, though. With the 13 pick, that's why my movie is different. At this time, anytime they do them hoop dream type of movies,

the dude never make it. I'm the first dude they put the camera in two years before, and I go there, get drafted, get the bread, I really did it. Now put the camera in two years before and I go there, get drafted, get the bread. I really did it. Now the turmoil in between that, like once we get there, like that shit was real new for me and my family.

I ain't going to hold you. So before we move away from the Adidas conversation, because you started talking about it, has your views on it changed? Because I know you feel like it's bad luck. So why do you feel that way? And how do you feel about its impact on players now i don't know like adidas don't i don't know adidas is kind of off for for one we already doing business they should have never been in position to take that deal back like i'm the first kanye i'm the first kanye they popped up look look killer killer

when they saw me they said they saw me cause for street cred we was street ballers and you felt me and all that and then soon some street shit jump off

they snatched the bread back I'm like what I say what and then everybody that saw me with Adidas look look at the situation

with Adidas like D Rose I love D Rose but I feel like if he was with Nike, that shit wouldn't happen. Facts like everything with Adidas just be seeming regular. So when kid come ask me advice, I'll be like, bro, sign with Nike just cause even for less money. I would have signed with Nike. So you saying the accident with the injury, the injury and Derrick Rose got to do with Adidas. That's what you're saying.

Yeah, Adidas got a nasty vibe to them. And then they disrespected the laws and vibrations of the earth by taking their bread back. And we were already doing business way before all of that. So yeah, like Adidas shit is regular. Y'all know that. Yeah, Adidas is regular. Y'all know Adidas is regular. Derrick Rose I mean, he's just regular. Y'all know that he's just regular.

Derek Rose. They got Derek Rose. What about Ant-Man? They got Ant-Man now. What do you think about that? Ant-Man, I want Ant-Man to finish that contract and go with Nike.

So he finishes Crowley. Look at Mike. I mean, come on. You think, you think Jordan could have did what he did without Nike? No. What about

Trey Young and James Harden? No, I'm thinking about myself in that position. I'm like, bro, roll with the best. This is why Mace switches team every two seconds because he rolled with the wind. It makes sense. All of a sudden. All of a sudden.

All of a sudden. All of a sudden. Bro, you got to have hype. I'm going to start with Jermaine. Yeah, I'm glad you watched the show, man. I'm so happy you said that. Mace goes from Adidas to Nike to Reebok every three seconds on the show. I'm so happy you said that. Mace goes from Adidas to Nike to Reebok every three seconds on the show.

I'm so happy you said that, man. Good. I'm glad he said it too because I said I always say something crazy when I got my Yeezys on. I did say that. Yeah, that's Adidas. But you know what? Yo, Mace to to Sebastian's point they took the bread back

come on for our culture like from this moment on Adidas is not valid that's why he keeps saying he's the first Yeezy Adidas is not valid and today

A pay Bassey his 20 mil they owe me 20 I take 10 you know what I'm saying for my mistake could've took half the bread we take all the bread Pay Bassey his 20 mil. They owe me 20. I take 10. You know what I'm saying? For my mistake, we could have took half the bread.

We take all the bread. And so then they're not valid. And I was watching the Pacer game yesterday and dang, dang, dang dollar starting to get that I got Adidas deal face too. He was on the bench. And I seen young Halliburton. What's his name?

Young Halliburton hit him with that from the hip three. Nigga was like this. Nigga was like, I said, that's that Adidas face. It's coming in. One little change,

different team, that Adidas shit going to kick in. This thing is hilarious. So that's what you, that's what you, my bad, Murda, go ahead. Yo, Baz, do you think,

do you think your career would have went different if you went to Louisville instead? I don't know if I would have got a chance to plan to leave if I went to Louisville. I don't know. I think I made the best decision if you ask me. Because even

with the BS, I still played 10 years. If I go to Louisville and put it in somebody else's hands, and he already knew that they had that money on the table for me, and the first time I get into a fight like I did my rookie year with the Portland Trailblazers, if I would have done the same thing my rookie year did that I did on his campus,

you know how they are, bro. Don't start acting crazy. Yeah. Yeah, you got to get the money while you can get it. I get it. Yeah, he like, I see it.

And not only that. He even snatched it before they gave it to me. And you made a great point because we was talking about that when we was watching the documentary, me and a few of my niggas, that you played long enough

to still get a pension from the NBA. Is this a fact? Yeah, full pension. You got to play 10 years to get a full pension from the NBA. Is this a fact? Yeah, full pension. You got to play 10 years to get a full pension. But that's regular. Everything regular.

You're a smooth nigga. Everything is so regular with you, nigga. Killer, I've been watching you. You've been doing a million different things. The vibe has changed. It's not like before.

Like the basketball players, like they retire and they start. You feel me? You know, y'all know what I'm talking about. Y'all know what I'm talking about. That's how your man Kanye got Kim. Feel me? He told Kim, he was like, yo, when retired basketball players, when they retire, they wear their pants like this.

And he showed a picture of Michael Jones, who's supposed to be the coolest dude. And he was like, she was like, alright, let's go. But the swag has changed now that your boy have put the swag in. You heard? So you're saying that... Retire, retire play. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, no, I was feeding off your vibe. So you

said chicks like Kim... It changed. It changed now. We're not just like, my man Joe Smith, I'm about to holler at Joe Smith. We're going to find a little deal with him. My man Burner, you know, we got the cookie deal live. We're going to get my man, Joe Smith. I'm about to holler at Joe Smith. We're going to find a little deal with him. My man, Burner, you know, we got the cookie deal live. We're going to get my man, Joe Smith, all retired players. I advocate for athletes. So we can't be doing the same thing we was doing 10 years before. And guys like BD and them guys, they working. You see Matt and Stan, them guys working. Nah, the dream is not over. Once you stop playing basketball, like you got all the influence.

You got the culture. You got the networking. Y'all got to continue doing it. You see how y'all do. Y'all keep working. It's a fact. So basketball players got to do the same thing. Let me ask you something before we move on

because you just said, and you're right, the average 40-year-old is not the 40-year-old from 20 years ago. So I understand what you're saying. But you're saying that Kim K left niggas like chris humphries because they was corny yeah the the the retired basketball didn't have the swag yet they didn't have the swag you gotta remember like i'm talking like like in general the conversation now you know what i used to hear they used to say oh every uh

the average basketball player is broke after five years. I'm like, how y'all let them say this for this long? Ain't nobody be like, you feel me? We hedge funding. You know, you feel me? That's not true. We doing this. We doing that. Like, nah, I'm not going for that.

So we out here. We working. We active. That's what's up, man. That's totally what's up. Continuing to move the culture as I do. I thought they were saying that because like most of the basketball players get divorced. I thought that was why they said it. The money get funny because of that. The money gets super funny with the divorce and the NBA.

Nine out of 10 of the chicks is leaving in the league right now. Like, so, you know, you see the game right now. You see Fly Shorty right by her son right now. She's out. Nine out of 10 is gone. When I got into the league, they used to say seven out of 10 is nine out of 10 is getting divorced. So dudes like Derrick Fisher gave up the pension. I read that saying he gave up the pension.

Like, oh, Lord, how you work this whole time getting practice. Nah. That's bogus. So she get the pension? If she divorced, she can get the pension? Yeah, they counting on that. They talking to each other.

Scotty Pippen just got the pension. You better shut up for two more years, get that pension. Yeah, so we got to start having that conversation. But I was talking to the NBA two weeks ago, and I was having that conversation with them. I'm like, you guys are aware of this. How come you guys are not addressing this?

It's a way for y'all to put some type of contract in where when they get to the league, you could tell him and her, like, y'all could get divorced but these accounts right here this is his money you gotta sign it now or you can't stick around because we can't have dudes out here watching

on MSG for 15 years that's your guy and then you go by him and he what you said Maze nothing less than an E class you said that you said that you gotta less. You said that. You got to follow suit, bro. Can't be pulling up with dudes

less than an E-class. He was just an M.A.G., bro. You said that, bro. Come on, killer. Come on, killer. Yeah, surrounding the divorces, I'm just curious, what would be your advice

to younger players in the league who are getting in relationships? Like, what would you tell them right now it's tough it's tough stat is tough it's even tougher um than before because before like you you go to the club you meet the fly girl now you on your phone and you like though you got the every fly girl. Like, so you being single is like, come on, you're not picking from the fly girls. It's impossible. So IG is like a menu then. IG is like a menu. Super menu, yeah.

It's like when you're in like, where you go? You're in like Hong Kong or somewhere. You feel me now? You know, you guys well-traveled. You know. We're in Australia. We're at Perth. Where you at right now, Mace?

Where you at, Perth? You know. Melbourne. Melbourne. Melbourne, all right. Okay, you know. It's different. If you're on the menu.

Yeah. If you're on the menu, you can order it up. Good point. But that's true though you you know all the dudes is getting divorced everyone knows this i'm like why why the nba not doing nothing about this why are they sitting there allowing these girls to be sitting there and you got to respect them because that's son wifewife. But I'm telling them right now, like, yo, shorty, we don't respect y'all no more. Right now. We don't respect y'all no more right now. So all them chicks that y'all see would do,

they corny. I don't respect it. She leaving. KG, we're KG wife. No disrespect to KG, but we're KG. That's the big ticket. What the? Come on, bro. NBA got to tap into that. Got dudes out here. Come on, bro.

Nothing less than an E class. The pension should keep you at least E class and better. You feel me? The pension is like... It's solid money. It's good money. Yo, let me ask you this, though. Let me ask you this. As a point guard that got

periphery, hot niggas don't see that, though. It's tough, bro. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. Because you're the hot dude. Like, not getting the... It's like, you gotta be... You gotta be sharp. Like, I

don't even have the all- way advice to give the dudes. Because it's like, how am I going to tell the dude right now that's doing his thing? Like, how am I going to tell little Trey Young not to mess with some of these girls that I'm looking at Instagram? Like, I'll just be following them just because. Like, damn. Killer, I seen you up on one of them pictures the other day. I said, oh, killer like that? I'm a sniper, nigga.

I'm a sniper, nigga. Top level sniper, nigga. You gonna see me under everything. If I like it, I like it, baby. Listen, and listen. It's fine what you gonna do. Listen, and that don't mean, and ladies, that don't mean I want you because I like the picture.

If I like the picture, I like the picture. I'm just saying, like, so if you got, if you got, if you got an NBA contract, a nice house, a nice car right now, you feel me? Like, one of them chicks are going to choose you right now. And listen, that's a great point because you know what?

The money's also different. It's also different. Like you, you know, and I'm just going top of the top level i'm using drake as example drake said if i give a 10 piece that don't mean we in the night you know sometimes drake may take pay you 10 000 to get away from me so the money's different the menu's different you have great valid points with that i i'm not mad at that at all i'm not mad at you at all i'm not mad at that

the females they move in different because you know i ain't gonna blame it on some of the sucker dudes out there but like you gotta remember like and like when you know you heard what meek said meek said watch who you give the ap to because she's gonna be on the other side that shit gonna be blinging against you it's a lot of that going on now. Like the girls got the same shit the dudes got. You pulling up. Come on, we bought these type of cars, like many of them, and the girls pulling up with the G-Wagon.

Like the G-Wagon has become the Escalade. Like the Escalade was like 60 when we were swinging those to the side joints. The G-Wagon, 200,000. That's definitely a soccer mom car at this point. Definitely a soccer mom car. The G-Wagon is a,000. That's definitely a soccer mom car at this point. Definitely a soccer mom car. The G-Wagon is a soccer mom so that's how the game, so how you not gonna

have one of those if the G-Wagon is a soccer mom car? These girls are professionals. See, super and super bad. You know what's crazy, Baz? It's dope that you talk about this because me and Mace talk about this all the time. All the time.

And the thing about it is this, you're from New York, so you got to jump on shit and pause. And I'm not saying, when I say a jump, I just hate to sound biased towards other cities, man. I'm thinking how to say this without offending anybody, but we grew up in such

a fast atmosphere. And I had a statement the other day when we was on the show and I was like, when I meet you, you damn 30. I don't trust you when I meet you because everybody in New York to me is trying to get over on you. They're trying to get a dollar from you. A girl is trying to get this from you and then it could all be genuine, but you got to earn my trust. I was watching your documentary and I used to feel the same way. I think the world is caught up, not just America, but the rest of the world is caught up. But you're looking, you're at the McDonald's All-American game and people are getting off the bus, whether it's Dwight Howard, whoever else was there. You was like, I see you country nigga. whoever else was there,

you was like, I see you country nigga. Yeah, you a country nigga too. Country ass nigga. Yeah, country nigga. God, I don't care. Nigga said, well, I'm from Jersey. Nigga said, yeah, that's country too.

Do you feel that if you're not from New York, that you're not as fast as a New Yorker? That's young bass talking. Okay. That was young bass talking. And yes, New York is very different, but the world has definitely caught up because of guys like you guys and myself i mean they had long enough to watch everything now you feel me like they wasn't really feeling my swag when i got to the league like my teammates it was like they they wasn't feeling that it was

too much it was too much sauce so they was worried about that more than they worried about our game but the world has definitely caught up they talk like us and they walk like us okay

so I think there are a couple more things that we got to continue but we got to go to break real quick and when we return we will talk about the best NBA rappers. Don't go anywhere. Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't know

My stubborn enemy won't fall, oh, oh Dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinking about us She wanna be free Welcome back. So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, Minnesota will play Orlando. Underdog fantasy has Anthony Edwards

at 30 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower? Cam. Orlando. I'm going to say high. Orlando's doing really good this year. Hey, yo, murder, hold on real quick. You see John Moran out for the season?

I ain't know if you ain't get that news over there in Australia or not now. Moran out for the season? I ain't know if you ain't get that news over there in Australia or not now. Nigga out for the season. I ain't watching him. And he ain't down with Adidas, neither Bassey, but guys. Shoulder injury. But Mason, higher or lower?

Higher. Come on. It's Ant-Man. Okay. I believe in Adidas though't I believe in Adidas though I believe in Adidas okay nah you don't

I'm gonna get my bread back son him and Kanye gotta do the the avocation we gotta be advocates them two niggas

let's start that position right now and eat that that bread back I'll tell you one thing let me tell you one thing. Let me tell you something. They got it. We got to finish our picks.

Let's finish the picks real quick. Okay. Carl Anthony Towns is at eight rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Higher. She get more than eight rebounds. What's wrong with that, Nia? I agree.

Higher. Okay. And Paulo Bencaro is at 28.5 points. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? This is Tom. I'm against Ant-Man. You better show up, nigga. I'm going to go higher just because you've been playing good this year.

This is your man you've been talking about. It's against Ant-Man. Let's see what he's going to do. I'm going to go higher. That's my guy, but I don't have him having more than 28. It's too many big men down there for us. That's my guy, but I don't have him having more than 28. It's too many big men down there for us. That's my guy, but not like that. But back to the conversation, killer.

Y'all doing all this kumbaya. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We got more shit to say. Hold on. Your answer is lower. Download the Underdog Fantasy app. Hold on, hold on.

And you can make your picks, too. Shout out to Underdog Fantasy, Maze. Shout out to Underdog Family Murder. I see where you're going. Hold on. We gotta give shout outs to the homies now. Shout out to Underdog Fantasy. Hold the fuck on a second now, man.

What I will say, because Maze has a bunch of stuff that he wants to say and he acts like me and Stat brushed him off. What I will say is this before Maze takes over the second half of this interview is that Kanye is the type that did not notice and he'll find you. And he'll try

to put an Adidas campaign together and try and... Why you think I'm saying it? Why you think I'm saying it? Somebody better say something to them. Ain't nobody say nothing to them. The ink dried. You know, I had a lot going on, but like nah, Adidas got an answer to that. They got an nothing to them. The ink dried. I had a lot going on, but Adidas got an answer to that.

They got an answer to that. Y'all came to my J's and got me out of the J's, bro. I told them that money was for my mama and all that. Y'all playing around too much. For real. And that was my backbone. Y'all told them that. If they give you the 20, won't Shorty take some of the 20?

Nah, Shorty a dove already. She ain't getting nothing. She ain't getting anything. She coming back for that 20. She coming back for the 20. She been lingering too. She lingering, bro. When she see this, she gonna be like,

oh, Shorty was that killer. Is this your girlfriend or your child's mother? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Girlfriend and child's mother. He had a wife. I don't know the situation. I don't know what y'all talking about.

That's what I'm asking. I don't know. Nah, all ballplayers, bro, that make more than 20 M's is getting married. It's like like you're getting married you're not getting you're not dodging that bro so you gotta do what i said go through the league without getting married is nah what's the dude jason collins no see see lou see lou tyrone lou is the only dude i've seen you say uh kevin d's not married? No. T. Lou. T. Lou. Tyrone Lou's the only dude I seen.

You say Kevin Durant not married? No. Yeah, yeah. He's one of the smart dudes, but shit. We gonna see. I don't know. I don't know. We don't know.

I was just asking because I didn't know who y'all was talking about when you said she's lingering. I didn't know if... Oh, nah. Yeah, nah. I was married before. If she get that money, she come back. She got a case.

She need a cut. She definitely need a cut if she... That's how it works. I'm a rapper now. Yo, look at this, man. I'm a rapper now. I'll rap now.

We ain't doing that. You a rapper, don't do that. You a rapper? I'm going to sign you today. Yo, I'll try to tell them if Adidas don't swing that 20, that 5,500, I'm crying about. I'm taking that right now. I'm about to send you my number because Apple paid that real quick.

I brought the money from Cold Camp. I brought the money from Cold Cam to sign you today. Underdog Favors. Did you hear my album? You heard the album? I checked the album. I'm trying to tell you, you're going to want to at least match Adidas.

You're going to want to at least match Adidas if you hear the bars. Yo, yo, yo, Killer, you killed that. Killer, you killed that freestyle too. Oh, thank you, bro. I appreciate that. Thank you, bro. You had me Googling the beat. You had me Googling the beat.

You had me Googling the beat. I was like, let me see what I got for this. Let me see what I got for this. Nah, I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. You had me Googling the beat all day. I got more shit to say, but I'm just falling back because Mase act like we interrupted the whole shit

and he had so much to say, so I'm just... My fault, my fault. Nah, it ain't true. You're doing everything you're supposed to do. Mase be blaming me for everything all the time. He just said during the commercial break I took over the whole interview I ain't let him say nothing

I'm just sitting back until it's my turn again Yo, this is what the people really want to know The people really want to know Who you thought sold you out That's what they want to know Somebody this talented Is supposed to go so much further Who sold you out? That's what they want to know. Somebody this talented is supposed to go so much further.

Who sold you out? What was the reason why you didn't do it? I definitely ain't got no fingers to point, but I ain't going to lie. Shit was so new for my family, for me and my family, and I care

about my family more than, you know what I'm saying, more than that bread and all that stuff. But who gave you the bad advice? Who gave you the bad advice? What bad advice? What bad advice? When you say bad advice...

You take any kid that won three championships back to back, right? You put them in front of the world stage. This guy goes to the NBA. It's something that's supposed to come out of this. It's not supposed to end the way it ends. So when you're taking these turns, like you're having guns or you're going through all of this,

who's not giving you the right advice or is you're just not listening to nobody? A mixture of both. A mixture of both, but early in my career, it was like I was on a jet. I didn't get arrested for that. I was in New York. i got a misdemeanor one time but it wasn't like me not listening to people or nothing like that just not moving the way i supposed to be moving because i supposed to be moving like a superstar by that time what

i mean by that is i supposed to have a full manager i'm supposed to have security i'm supposed to have a full schedule i'm supposed to be be on that timing. But like I said, Adidas taking the bread back, it confused the whole family. We was going one way. We was supposed to be going on to training, buying houses, and adjusting to this new life. And a little turmoil hit, and it really just smacked us.

We wasn't able to focus the way you're supposed to focus at that time. What was that situation that made them take the bread back? Justin's. The gun? Justin's. No.

No. Just being at Justin's wrong place, wrong time. And for me, I'm a victim in this situation. Just moving around New York, some BS happened.

You know, we all young at the time and Adidas wasn't feeling that. I have a question. I'm just curious on how do you feel about like the Mikey Williams situation? And especially now that he's like looking to transfer, like how do you feel about that situation? And do you think he's making the right moves?

Him, I feel like him and John Morant, like when I see in a situation like I I'm embarrassed I was like yo I wanted to show like I wanted to talk to John Morant so bad I still want to talk to him so bad they put him up there to talk to who Jalen Rose whoever I'm like bro I want to talk to this kid so bad so he understand, like, you feel me? This is not, this is not about, he got to understand what's really at stake. I understand you're trying

to build a legacy and all that, but at all times, you're supposed to be protecting your security, your future, and you're playing around with that type of shit

and you're taking away your security. And I'm like, bro, the pot's already pissed in for you. Like, I'm supposed to make 400 M's, bro. Chris Paul, would Chris Paul make 500? So if I'm a, bro, the pot's already pissed in for you. Like, I'm supposed to make 400 M's, bro. Chris Paul, would Chris Paul make 500?

So if I'm a half-decent player, they'd have gave me $400 million. And making them type of decisions is like, it took that away. So when I seen them do that, I was like, I was embarrassed. That's the truth. I wanted to talk to John Morant. And I was embarrassed for them. I'm like, damn. Like, I talk all my shit about how

I show them in the culture how to dress, how to approach the game like a business, how to work out and all that stuff. I'm like, I hope I ain't play no effect in that BS. That's a fact. And I hope they get some management around them. The right management.

Let me ask you this, Bass. Out of all of those people that you named, like, who can you call right now? Can you call LeBron and be like, yo, LeBron, I need this? Or can you call Jay-Z and say, all of the people that showed up then, can you call them now?

Um, nah. Like, with Jay and LeBron, that's like, come on like jay and braun is living just asking a question um nah nah and i mean i'm not not to blame it on them or nobody but nah the reason why i'm asking that is because i'm sorry not to cut you i hollered that rich paul i hollered that rich pa. I hollered that Rich Paul and I tried to like, you know, contact and reach out to them. But you already know

how that is. You know how that go. So we got to get back into the loop, do our thing. You know what I'm saying? You already know. We show up,

everything fresh. They're going to want to do business. And the reason why I say that is so just like you want to teach John Morant something, this is something young up and coming talent need to know that people deal with you when they have to deal with you the bad advice? Not highlighting LeBron or highlighting Jay-Z, just that mindset. That when you're rocking, everybody's coming around.

When you get these gun charges and you screaming at the top of your lungs, who was there for you that was back there? That's what I want to know. Who was back there? My family and Coney Allen. I ain't going to lie. But like I told you, like as far as, yeah, as far as, nah, it's quiet. You know, I told you Lance came through.

You know what I'm saying? But I never was really in that situation where I needed people in that way. But one of them, like Braun and one of them, you know, popping up, showing some type of love. Like, yeah, that would have definitely helped. But popping up showing some type of love like yeah that would have definitely uh helped but i'm not that type of dude like i'm from the land of grind you know what i'm saying um my little brother got the biggest dispenser in arizona right now we got sweetos we're gonna get to what we're doing right now i'm not i'm not really that type of dude but nah like if the shoe was on the other foot yeah i would have popped up and made sure you know i'm

saying everything was straight. And now we really didn't get that, uh, that real big, big homie support. And some of the dudes actually from the league play themselves. You feel me? Because I'm cut,

I'm cut from a different cloth. You feel me? I'm a different way. So some of them play themselves. That's a fact, but you know how that go. And my other question is this. So do you think if you was looking back, would you say you played your wife or your wife played you?

Which one was it? She definitely won that one. She played you? Nobody went in that divorce battle thing that's the first thing they they always going been towards the uh towards the towards the wife for sure but yeah like yeah i feel played like i ain't bitter i ain't got no i i don't even think about that but like what stop playing if you there from the start like that y'all go through the whole career that but like what stop playing if you there from the start like that y'all go through the whole career because what's happening with these what happened what's happening in these relationships

is you going through the same turmoil year one so what's the difference year 12 when all these people are leaving or year 10 or or the career. What's the difference? Do not, especially somebody beating on you not like that, like, like infidelity,

like stop playing with me. Well, overall, this was a great... We're not finished. I want Mace to say everything because I still got more questions too.

It's just that I'm saying I don't want Mace to say anything. Mace, when we get off the air, Mace will be telling me you cut me off on everything, killer. I don't want Mason to tell me when he's done. See, killer, the way killer starts

is he starts like, he starts like setting the ground. I understand what he's trying to do, but those ain't the questions people want. People want these questions. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm sitting there being quiet. Yeah.

They want to know like, when you sitting there being quiet. Yeah. They want to know like when you're screaming in the courts, right? Where is... What's going on here? Why did you feel like you needed to have all this artillery with you

as a basketball player? Nah, nah. And I'll laugh at it because it is a laughing matter. You got. Nah, nah. And I laugh at it because it is a... It is a laughing matter. You had an artillery, dog. I ain't going to hold you. Shit was looking crazy

on the photos, man. Nah, but I had everything I owned with me. That's what they don't say in the article. Do you have ops in basketball? Do you have ops like that?

Nah. Nah, this is my series. Stop it. I'm Bassy. I ain't got no ops. But I had everything I owned with me. And my cars got shipped from Florida. And I had my ass in and I had my truck.

And it was clothes in both of the cars filled to the tops. But I got in the truck. I just put the clothes on the side. And I was driving the truck. I just took the, put the clothes on the side and I was driving the truck, but shit, whole artillery was in the car too. So that's what people, just real quick, so we clear that up

so people know that because people don't know that. I didn't know that. Basically, you were moving from one house to another house or one state to another state

and that was just part of what you had in your house and that night and when you got pulled over, the guns were in there, along with a bunch of other stuff that was in your house. Everything else I owned. Okay. See, people just make, they just single out the guns.

Everything I owned. Nope, nope, nope. We had two master bedrooms on the first floor. Everything in this whole bedroom was there. Like everything from the bathroom that was on the floor, everything. The mat top of the bathroom was with me. That makes sense. Because I was thinking, why in the world you had three, four guns at a water hydrant?

That's the first thing I know. It don't make sense. It don't make sense it don't make sense it don't but that's why that case just got reversed man supreme court just just just smacked that one down um so hopefully we should get back to you know our normal life and shit that shit definitely i gotta stop that 30 i just turned 31 i'm 38 that shit stopped my life so i definitely want to talk to all the young dudes like, bro, that shit seemed like I'm making bad decisions. I don't know why all that shit happened, but I'll just tell you, I got a dope story to tell. And I feel like maybe God did it like this.

So I can tell his story to help the young ones. You feel me? Because if me and Bron was both Michael Jordan, then you feel me? We want to have the story like this for somebody with the influence for the youngins to listen to. So we're going to tell the story. We're going to show them everything. Yeah, it was super lit. Shit just fell off.

We just, we didn't have the right, we didn't have the right mentality when it comes to that basketball. When you go to the NBA, you got to be there. It's a business. So you and your family got to focus. Get that first contract. Your first contract is how you will be paid.

Either if you fall off, you get your first contract, that's how they're going to pay you. So I want to tell dudes and his family, don't worry about which I get the first round. Focus and get a contract. Once you get a contract, you're going to be paid like that for the rest of the time. contract. Once you get a contract, you're going to be paid like that for the rest of the time. That's a fact. But if you get in trouble your first year and then now they only paying you $3 million, you're going to play for $3 million the rest of your career. Imagine everything, me with the dudes coming into the league. And I told you, now I'm not patting myself on the back, but yeah, when I showed up, it was real confused. Everything, how they was dressing, how they was moving. I'm leaving out of the restaurant and Paul Pierce called me. We on the same team. Paul Pierce already make 20 million a year.

And he called me. He like, yo, you got the flying spur too? And I'm like, I say, yeah. And it never registered to me like, oh, them dudes is watching all of that. This is why they're not gelling with you on the court. You know what I'm saying? And in 2024, if you make 20 M's, they all got these cars now. But when I got to the league, nah. Nah, that's why they did stuff in AR like that. Just off of that type of stuff.

Facts. So you got to play it cool. Hold on. And I told Lance that. This is how true it is. I told Lance, when you signed with the Lakers, I said, Lance. And Lance apologized. He told me.

He told me, I'm sorry, Bash. He was right. I said, Lance, you going to the Lakers? Do not bring that jewelry and that Wraith. You are from New York City. You don't need that. Like, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't do it because you already got the lights on you. If you go do that, you're going to have problems. They're not going to gel with you. He ain't listen to me. He bring the G

wagon with the white, with the red interior, with the rave, with the stars and brawn and I'm looking like you got the same shit I got. They not going to bond with you the same way. You got to show up. You feel me? I played this game in the NBA already. I played my best basketball. I played the Phoenix. They still didn't give me a contract because I had the Aston and the Ghosts outside. I went to Minnesota after Boston.

I got in trouble in Boston. They traded me to Minnesota for KG. Before I left my house upstate, I was like, I told my ex-wife, like, yo, we not bringing them cars. We not bringing them jewelry, none of that. And they signed me out of jail, the Timberwolves. I ended up getting a $10 million deal because everybody bonded with me. Me, Al Jefferson, everybody cool with me because now I don't got all that bullshit. When you from New York and you show up with the bullshit, it's harder. For sure. And I'm not asking nobody. I'm not debating

with these other dudes. That's a fact. Two more things before we want you to tell us what you got going on. I have two more questions. Why do you think your MBA... And you got... Listen. Excuse me.

A lot of people don't last 10 years in the NBA and that's a and you're getting a pension and that's a

tremendous stat in itself but why don't you think your time outside of what you're explaining now this is really great what you're talking about

explaining a lot of things and how you perceive things and how things may have went I love to hear your point of view it was dope

why don't you think your MBA career panned out the way that it should have and you perceive things and think how things may have went. I love to hear your point of view. It was dope. Why don't you think your NBA career panned out the way that it should have outside of the guns and not gelling or anything else? Or do you think it was all the stuff that you just named or, or partially your play or everything you just named is the reason why your NBA career didn't go the way it went. They're not going, especially at my position and height, they're not keeping you around for 10 years if you can't play. Because you got to remember, we got practice. So you're, you feel me? You can't hide. You can't, you can't hide, bro. So if you look at my stats from my rookie season, I went to Portland, I broke the rookie assist record and all that.

They let me start the last 34 games. I had 11 double doubles, sent Kobe and them home, got crazy games, crazy highlights. My first two years is perfectly fine. And once again, tending to the BS and losing to Adidas and then playing for no money. I had to play for, I had to play for no money for one and two, like Gilbert arenas just explained. Y'all with me?

Are we frozen? Yeah. Um, like Gilbert arenas just explained. He was like, after he got in trouble, he, this is on his last episode when he got rich Paul on here.

He said, after he got in trouble with the guns in a locker room, he said he couldn't function. He couldn't last one year after that. I played my whole career like that because it's a difference. He explained, now when you on the court, now you notice everything. Now you see the stands. Now you hear what people saying. Now you all of that. Before that, he didn't see that. He only seen what was between them lines. But once you get that type of turmoil, lose your deal and all that type of stuff, you got other BS

going on, it's a different confidence. You're not walking in with the same confidence. You know what I'm saying? That's a fact. I feel like I lost my confidence with losing that deal because how they was going to treat me

because, you know, it was whatever. Nobody got hurt and all that type stuff. It was this gun stuff, like getting stopped with guns. But basically, how they treated me

after that point, that shit didn't help my confidence. And then my peers, this is after our third, fourth year, my peers, they start getting,

around the first contract, $55 million. So my peers they get their first deals and now I'm sitting there like now these niggas these dudes are making

$15, $20 million I'm sitting there making $2 million. So yes now when you play against them yeah they could kind of get with you. But if you run the game back

I played against the Boston Celtics right when I got back to Boston after getting traded. Look at me and Rondo numbers. Because I heard Rondo say on an interview, oh,

he said something slick like he was mad I was throwing over him. Like, Rondo, when you got to Boston, you couldn't mess with me. Doc Rivers was telling Rondo, don't worry about it, Rondo. You're going to get bigger. I was dragging him up and down the court. Asked Perk, ask Al Jefferson, dragging him, shoot, shoot,

out there because it's a confident thing when you're playing. Braun is good, but Braun's playing off of confidence. You see when Braun gets on the court and he's checking himself and he's going like this, what he's saying in his head is, my mom's is straight. My niggas is straight. Everything is good.

That's what he's saying in his hey, so y'all lost already. You feel me? You can't be out there, but not without that. Your moms ain't actually straight. How am I going to compete? How am I going to compete? Playing, making $2 million. It's 14 of us.

I now got my peers, they all got one brother each. It's 14, 15 of us. These dudes making 20, 25 million. They started feeling themselves like that shit, that shit threw me off.

I ain't gonna lie. Man, that's really fucking dope. Two, three million dollars, stop playing. Nah, it's good you're explaining all this. That's really dope. You better than Kimba Walker, nigga.

Yeah, them dudes couldn't see me before they got them contracts. You better than Kimba Walker, nigga. You better. We playing on confidence. Stop playing with me. And when I got back to Boston, they all had the same whips I had

when I left. Oh, you better. Stop it. When I walked in the game, four pairs of me and Walkers, bro, stop playing. I brought them with the Louis Vuitton. I showed them the Louis Vuitton joint

With the Louis Vuitton pants And all that And I got to the lead Louis Vuitton had to get a 2-3-X Just to wear it You understand? So they ain't never even seen nobody With all that shit

Talking with the belt With the pants And he was like Yo, badge Just because it's Louis Vuitton Don't make it hot And then I got back to Boston They all was Louis Vuitton

Remember now Louis Vuitton make everybody's size Hey, yo Feel me? I was like, oh. Bass, bass, bass. What's good, Kev? You better than

Kemba Walker, nigga. Kemba is so tough. That's a product of Sebastian Telfair, though. And don't get it twisted. Look, look, look. Let me tell you something. Kemba got the plate.

Kemba got the plate. Listen, listen, listen. Yo, you're such a New York nigga, yo. You're definitely a New York nigga, B. New York nigga. They can't get nobody. Hold on. I ain't gonna lie.

I'll bust Kimba ass, though. I ain't gonna lie to you. Now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, Kimba? Kimba too small, bro. We both, nah. I'll bust Kimba ass. I love Kimba Ward.

Kimba, Kimba actually one of the best players from New York to me. Eric Barkley? And Killer. Killer, you like, York to me. Eric Barkley? And Killer. Killer, you like who? Eric Barkley. Eric Barkley. Shout out to Eric Barkley. Eric Barkley, nice.

Stop playing. Eric Barkley, stop it. Eric Barkley. I'm trying to say ain't nobody. I'm trying to come to this. Go pull my dream up in Rucka when I came through the Rucka. Mate, you see the scene. They was like, who is this kid?

It's crazy. They forgot J and Beyonce was there. I was like, they forgot. It was crazy. Yo, you sure you ain't wasn't born in Harlem, nigga? You might be from Harlem, nigga.

You might be from Harlem, nigga. You might be from Harlem, nigga. I'm worldwide, though. I used to play with Gachos and Riverside, though. I told you, no, that's who had the bread. I told you I was there for the bread. So how am I going to compete with them dudes after I get the bread? It's hard to do that. It's like

either with music, either with music, either with music. Yeah, it's hard to compete with a dude with the full budget and all that over there. Y'all know how that goes. He's feeling himself, bro. He's feeling himself. You right.

You right, though. I understand now. I get it now. You right. Yeah, you right. You absolutely right. And they was like, this the dude

that been killing us for fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth grade. They been talking about this dude the whole time. All-American can't win, get no cameras on us. This is the dude, the cameras following him. Stop it. You know they was loving that.

You made a great point when it come to music. Because if you independent and then they get with the major label and they got the six, seven, eight million dollar budget and your budget is 60,000. That's great. Man, you got to look up at the write-up like this dude is messing with you now. Now he better than you now. Right. That's not true. Yo, Bass,

they giving us the signal. I want you to let everybody know before you go. First of all, thank you for coming up here. And this was a really, really dope interview. It may be one of my favorites

that we've done so far. You cleared up a lot of shit and you talked your shit and you solidified who you think you are in New York City. And listen, after talking to you, I got to go back and maybe rearrange my list, man, out of New York City. I have to really sit down and think about this. But I want you to let everybody know who's watching the show, what you got going on now, what you got coming up in the future, and where they can

find you at if they need to find you, and let people know what's going on with you today. Well, we're going worldwide letting them know that we top five in New York history. That's the first thing. Nah. But we got my little brother, my little brother, my little brother Ethan, at the end of the movie,

you see my older brother Dan working on my little brother, my little brother, Ethan, at the end of the movie, you see my little my older brother, Dan, working on my younger brother, Ethan. Right. He did the swoop swoop spin with the layer. He went to Idaho, graduated with a business degree. He played ball. It was on ESPN. Step back three for the game winner, made the top 10 plays. He did his thing. But he's in Arizona now. He got the biggest dispensary out there. We got a 50 50 partnership with Berner right now. So we got the biggest dispensary out there. We got a 50-50 partnership with Berna right now.

So we got the cookies there. So everybody tap in. Sweet O's is my pops. Vietnam vet. So Sweet O's is the brand. So we tap in right now. We just running around. You know what I'm saying? Coming to a courtside near you. You know what I'm saying? Soon the

Ditas swing this chicken. Everybody start that. Everybody sign that. Ditas is this chicken. Everybody start that. Start that. Everybody sign that. Ditas is not valid. Yo, Ant-Man, tell them, yo, tell them what y'all did to Bassey. Nah, y'all can't do that.

Disrespectful. Well, listen, Bassey. He said y'all was giving him money. Y'all said y'all was giving him money. Y'all big. Y'all was doing illegal things, man. Keep it right. Y'all was doing illegal things. Listen, man, you call me,

I'm going to pick the phone up for you. I know a lot of them niggas ain't picking the phone up for you. Appreciate you. But you can pick the phone for you. I'll pick up the phone for you anytime. Last question, because we got to go. I forgot to ask this earlier. It seems like you and Steph, y'all are cousins, but it don't seem like

y'all have a cool relationship. Growing up, what was you and Steph, and even today, you and Steph are a Marbury's relationship because it don't seem like that's my man, my man, cousin. It seemed like that's my cousin because he ought to be related.

How was your relationship? Last question. I mean, Steph is Steph, though. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's real weird. You already started, Dre. You didn't even say that. it's like, it's real weird. Now you already started, Dre, and you just say that shit. Yeah, eh?

It's weird, because Steph super inspired me. You got to remember, like, Steph hit in 96. Like, this is, feel me? Most dudes was like, feel me? In my town was, they didn't have it at that time.

So Steph is a huge influence of mine, and he my family. But I feel like Steph ain't do a great job making sure that the unity was there for the family. You know what I'm saying? So we don't have a great relationship. I let him off the hook a lot of these years. Steph really did hate on me with Jay. You know what I'm saying?

Jay was my dude. He really hated on that situation with me. I don't know. We don't got the greatest relationship but I'm at a point now where it's like at least I gotta

tell the truth before I was like oh he's the big homie ah nah you not the big homie you can't get nothing important done

you understand so I'm not trying to disrespect stuff which is like it's just you feel me we out here we working it's 2024 I don't me? We out here, we working.

It's 2024. I don't really care what's going on in China. We got all our family out here right now and we got the foundation. Let's not, you feel me?

I like that. Mace, you feel me, Mace? Let's not go back at it. Keep killing all the questions, killer. You came home, killer. Yo, so,

what do you mean? What do you mean that he hated on you? What do you mean he hated on you with Jay-Z? I don't understand. We don't know. And see, you're giving questions. I mean, you're giving answers. But for the casual person, we understand what you're saying.

But what happened that he hated on you with Jay-Z? I mean, I don't even want to make it too catty of a conversation, but the truth is the truth. At this time, Steph, the only one with some bread around here and everybody chasing Steph for money. And I wasn't on that time. I didn't really need much. And when Steph pulled up, I already had some shit. And Jay was taking care of me. That's the fact. I'm a top player in the country. Jay was coming through. And Jay was giving me the advice that you're saying who was giving you the advice. I clearly remember Scarface walked into the 40-40, me and Jay sitting there. And Scarface walked in.

He was like, yo, I hate y'all city, man. They took my gun at the airport. Soon Scarface walked away. I'm talking about Scarface the rapper. Soon Scarface walked away. Jay said, he looked, turned straight towards me and looked me in my face. And this is why Jay off the hook.

Jay don't got to tap in with me. Jay don't got to give me nothing. Jay looked me in my eyes and said, yo, do not carry guns. Let somebody else carry guns. You feel me? And Jay giving that type of advice, how you go from that to not Jay being around because you're not. My family kind of signed Jay off. Everybody like, yo, Jay don't message you no more. Like, nah, niggas ain't want Jay around. I wanted Jay around.

My brother didn't want Jay around and Steph ain't want Jay around. They started arguing at the Knicks, the restaurant underneath MSG. And Steph got up. It's the story you could ask Jamal Corfin and them. They was there. But they told me that they had this argument, but I never knew what was said.

And Steph got my name in his mouth to Jay. So I was like, you hating. And then my bro, I sound catty, but like I'm here for the truth. No, we want to know.

I'm asking because I want to know. Facts. Facts. Because, yeah, this is my lobby hood. And this is how I'm supposed to be taking care of my kids. And this is how I'm asking because I want to know. Facts. Facts. Because, yeah, this is my lobby hood. And this is how I'm supposed to be taking care of my kids. And this is how I'm supposed to have 400 M's to take care of my community. If I would have made 200, 300 M's like these dudes, it would have been a statue right here in my projects.

I build gyms in my projects. How they doing my community over right now, like where I physically was born, I designed that and worked with the city and built that shit up and made sure they put bleaches in the middle of all that. So you're not the big homer if you can't get nothing to point and done. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like Steph had a lot of influence. He could have brought a lot more to the table for the family and we didn't really get that cooperation like we supposed to got that cooperation.

And I'm okay with that. But not cooperating in 2024? Like, stop it. I'll fuck with you, my nigga. And I'll bust his ass in MSG on the garden floor. When was this, man? In the league? Yeah, when the

31 was on me and I showed up with Portland, run them back. Every time I showed up, the guy was busting his ass. Okay, what's the date? We want the viewers to see this game. Who, Steph, played for the Knicks? 2004, 5, and 6 when I'm with the Portland Trailblazers. When I come to the gun, I'm at them. Running back.

And that's another thing. They act like they ain't seen me put the ball in a bucket in the league. I ain't have an all-star career, but like, stop it. Some of them nights I was, I was, you feel me?

It was a couple of nights we was in Miami, it was lit. And the next night I went out there like, okay, this is it. 30. You feel me? I had my nights.

You know what I'm saying? But that's my answer to the Steph shit. I love Steph more than all of this though. Don't get it twisted. That's my family. You feel me? But stop it. I'm going more than all of this, though. Don't get it twisted. That's my family. You feel me?

But stop it. I'm going to watch that game tonight, man. Yo, Baz, I'm going to hit you later on tonight, man. I appreciate it, man. Good job.

Good fucking job, man. Yeah. 2021. Class murder. Steph alerted to the left and right crossover. He alerted? He alerted to the left and right.

Really? And you can't put Steph over me talking about coaching in New York. Steph had us go up and he was in Lincoln. He had us go all the way up there

and watch the game. They lost, man. Everybody was crying at the game. I was like, oh, I ain't do that to the people. I sent them back

to Coney Island happy. What are y'all talking about? What are y'all talking about? What are y'all talking about? Yeah I've been quiet I've been quiet You might have been born in Harlem nigga Don't get me out of here yet

I've been quiet This is too much It's like I've been quiet I didn't say anything. But now I got to tell him. Like, bro,

I'm the big homie. And I don't really, I wasn't saying that. I wasn't saying that because I didn't get what I'm supposed to get. And I ain't do for my people all,

everything I wanted to do. But I met my quotas and I'm still here and I'm still about to do it. So, I'm the big homie. This is our town. We doing it.

Yeah. Tell me what's happening. That shit sound like some rap shit right there, killer. I'm about to do some due diligence on you. You might have been born in Harlem. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm going to leave with this last thing. Mase, I'll see you tomorrow.

Am I Maurice correct? Come on tomorrow. Bash, you did a hell of a fucking job today because I learned so much more. I knew a lot see you tomorrow Am I Maurice correct come on tomorrow Bash you did a hell of a fucking job today because I learned so much more I know a lot about you but I learned so much more about you we gotta go we're running over schedule but I wanted you we usually wrap up at 45-50 minutes I know we like it

an hour 20 minutes but I want you to get everything out pause that you want to get out I'm gonna leave saying this nothing less than an E class pause that you want to get out. I'm going to leave saying this. Nothing less than an E-class. Not enough for an E-class. I'm just going to say

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