IT IS WHAT IT IS - SHAQ MIGHT BE A HATER AND CAMRON TELLS A STORY ABOUT ALMOST HAVING TO BEEF WITH NAS AND PRODIGY?!

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, we’re joined by our main guy Maurice Clarett! We discuss Westbrook getting special treatment which might���ve been the reason Mike Malone got fired from Denver. Is Shaq a Hater and WTF did the Diesel (pause) do to Maurice??? Then, Cam tells a story about the old school rappers hating on him and Mase on the come up and it hurting their feelings because they were fans of those guys like Prodigy and Nas. Lastly, Is TJ Watt out on the Steelers and D. Watson says this comeback is personal!  Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So the union, hello y'all Oh I was selling crack, and I fired the jell-up in the hell and back But no confusion, this is the union Hello y'all, welcome back And murder here, he's carrying money, he said can't man the hell with that I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches walking out So go jewelry and bikes nigga

Black bags is on white niggas Now I'm out here and I'm looking for more chandeliers and light crickets I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states including California, Texas, and Missouri just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, KIM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus credits with your first deposit and

a free pay. I'm Treasurer Wilson aka Stat Baby along with your hosts Mace and Kim and today we are joined with our analyst Maurice Claret. Mo was good, Killer was going on. along with your host Mase and Kim and today we are joined with our analyst Maurice Claret. Mo was good. Killer was going on. How y'all doing man? Good man. Way to go. Skip over that Mase all week. The UConn Championship. Yeah. Yeah. It's back in Title Town. Yeah, it's back in title town That's my title town

You're not from the ladies part of that title town. That's my part in title No, but we we will accept you we will accept you more if you want a transition over now You you car ladies come on, you know, we're the same No, we're the same building no we're the same building practice the same building eat the same corridor all that you know it's all the same it's title town baby so I've been waiting all week to say that to you This is wild. lack of accountability outside of myself nobody takes accountability I see that actually see motor. I don't know if it was Tristan We online I think it was Tristan reason all of his group texts are on on or on I don't know if it's group text or on or on a lot

But Trista actually gave more the air mode to say that this is three titles in a row for you Peter Moe have not been with us moe was over there with um What's his name? You know Danny Hurley? It's the same Listen listen I get it cuz I got breaking news too so it was the break news I save it I'll say that's what I'm saying with the no account of big show everybody that when it don't matter who wins may says us like the accountability for the show is very low it's a low low accountability you know how you mean? That the accountability. We are slacking on integrity when it comes to accountability

But congratulations mo I give you that cuz I don't think makes up a bit to the University of New York Have you ever been to you car you could I don't know I'm just a main killer I go way back. I'm a mo just jumped on this you can't I go all the way back to Khalid I'll ameen I go back to Sue Bird. I was there before to Rashi got there I'm I welcomed her in I welcomed her in killer just asked you One question Don't have time for this. I don't have time right? I think we got the answer. Yeah Somebody started to be louder to like prove a point I don't have time for this. I don't have time for this, right? I think we got the answer. Yeah. You know when somebody starts

getting louder to like prove a point? That's what that was. Congratulations, man. At least you've been on the campus of the university of Ucoma. I give you the credit, man. I can't believe you would think I haven't been to UConn. But I'm, you know. Maybe performing or something back in the days. I'm just saying.

I'm talking about the sports facility. Have you ever been to the University of UConn? Let me, I'll ask one last question. What part of Connecticut is the University of Connecticut in? the the the the the We're gonna start.

So it was reported players on the Nuggets actually started feeling some type of way towards Mike Malone because of special treatment given to Russell Westbrook. According to a piece by the Athletic, they said all the while Malone's choice to continue supporting Westbrook despite the frustration he was causing on and off the floor led to a loss of credibility among the team's keys key players It was one thing when Malone handled Yoko Chimurri with more leniency than the rest of their group But affording Westbrook that sort of treatment even with his Hall of Fame credentials wasn't received well by some so Maurice How much of an issue? Really see this being or do you kind of feel like it's bluff? Where do you kind of stand on this point? Oh

or do you kind of feel like it's bluff? Where do you kind of stand on this point? Oh, it's had to be that issue between him and a head coach had to be going on for a while. And I've seen it up close and personal where some coaches just don't have the personality to manage other bigger personalities. And, you know, if you're a rookie or depending on how you got to the team, if somebody, you know, chose you, recruited you and you know, all of that stuff, when you've came and you've made a superstar them up under their guidance, it's easy for that person to have the influence over somebody like that. But when there's somebody like Russell Westbrook, and you come in with a sense of entitlement, you come in that you're a veteran, you may feel like that you know more than the head

coach, you get a little bit aggressive with him and he doesn't sort of push back or say anything initially just because he's trying to, for lack of better words, pause, fill you out. I can see how that just becomes complex. And so at some level, I'm pretty sure the ownership looked down and they said, hey man, it's the whole thing. If you allow it, you deserve it. And he's seen that Russell Westbrook was basically running the team. And he said, Hey, you know, if you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself, pause, I'll go ahead and get somebody in

here who can regulate and manage the team. So I've seen it in different scenarios where people they're in a position of authority, but they just don't have the position. They don't have the skills or the wherewithal to manage somebody who has a strong personality. So, uh, pretty sure the coach learned from it. Uh, but obviously, you know, this, this had to be a thing. If the nuggets let the story get out and they're not contesting it. Yeah.

When it comes to a championship team or this caliber and a guy like Russell Westbrook joins the team. He got a follow suit He can't come in and be no problem and you definitely can't give a guy that kind of lead way that has never won He's coming into a championship organization He's coming into a championship atmosphere and he has to follow suit. He's the guy that need the ring That's why he's there So when you have a coach that's looking into it and showing Russell Westbrook any type of favor whether it's allegedly or not Even if it's perceived that way is gonna cause discord in the locker room and as a coach once you lose the locker room You you really can't be the coach. So that makes sense why they would just get rid of him right away

If he lost the the arm locker room especially to Westbrook if you're gonna lose the locker room you lose it to Joker Or you lose it to Murray, but you don't lose it to Russell Westbrook and who is Western Westbrook? You know they're coming there and try to show his personality. This is where he needs to be as most humble. I mean, most humble because in this situation, he's the person that's going over there to try to win. So he needs to be more so fitting in. And I know sometimes you got all these dynamic players that tell people, hey man, be yourself. We need you to be Rust, but we don't need you to be rushed in a negative sense. We need you to be rushed high energy.

We need you to be rushed trying to get a triple double doing some of everything. We need you to be rushed beating everybody down the floor, attacking the rim. Well, you know, that's the rush we need. We do getting rebounds or offensive the rebounds playing with high energy But we do not need you talking to the staff crazy because we were we were good before you got here my nigga This this is definitely a come on my nigga

Situation I'm over here helping you and I get fired Yeah, like come on Russ, you know I'm saying and I fool with Russ but this this is this is crazy You know you coming in here. You got a match what Bruce Brown did you you definitely got a match that So if you're not matching that don't definitely don't come in here and be no type of problem Especially to the to the nuggets It ain't time for that. I to the to the Nuggets. It ain't time for that.

I want to before I say what I have to say, could you read exactly what you say? Stat with what they said? Yeah. So all the while Malone's choice to continue supporting Westbrook, despite the frustration he was causing on and off the floor, led to a loss of credibility among the team's key players. It was one thing when Malone handled Jokic and Murray with more leniency than the rest of their group, but affording Westbrook that sort of treatment, even with his Hall of Fame credentials, wasn't received well by some.

So that's a report by the Athletic. What's treatment though? Like, I'm not going to throw West under the bus, because that's not And then the coaches really like your muscle Westbrook like it more than he liked anybody else So I'm not gonna say anything Russell Westbrook and I don't know what that actually means Russell Westbrook may not have been doing nothing But being himself in the play is that it like that the coach may like Russell Westbrook more That he liked them and and the players may have been feeling like yeah, we've been here for a minute, man Fuck you all kiki and giggling with this nigga about it.

We don't want the motherfucking championship with you, nigga. You all friendly with this nigga and we've been here. But Mike Malone has an aggressive style of coaching. You could tell in his post game and pregame interviews and everything else. There's several clips that emerged in the last couple of days where Mike Malone has been so that the podium saying, I'm not here to be these guys friend. I have to give them a harsh reality, whether they like it sometime or not.

I'm not here to do nothing with coach the team. You know, I know it's all soundbites, but they're going to pick all the worst soundbites they could get being that he's been fired. But that's just the way it's been his coaching style for what I've seen. And when I seen the Joker asked about him being fired, Mike Malone actually was like, I mean, pardon me, the joke actually is like, well, it's business. People come, people go.

It seems like Joker didn't really give a fuck. And they asked him if he talked to ownership. business. People come, people go. It seems like Joker didn't really give a **** and they asked him if he talked to ownership about it. He said that they called him and told him that Mike Malone was not going to be there and he just

had to accept that and kept it moving. I don't believe that for one second. It's no way in the world that I see ownership calling the Joker and saying, yo, Mike Malone is going to be fired. I'll see you at practice tomorrow. I just don't see that. I can't see that.

And especially with three games or four games left in the season where he actually got fired. I like the joker's attitude. He's not going to talk. He's not going to blow up the spot. He are not going to make it a big deal. But if you're going to sit there and lie and make his face and act like you had nothing to do with it, that's what you're doing. But I dig it. He's not I like the last joke is not outspoken. He's not loud. You could tell his national attitude.

He wants to go home after the season. He's not going to run his mouth. But there's no way in the world that you're going to get me to believe that the Joker didn't have nothing to do with this and I'm not saying actually saying yo fire that n***a but if you telling me ownership then call and say yo what you think we can finish off this season without Mike Malone or should we wait till the all season or should we keep him and joke? I had nothing to say. I don't buy it. I don't believe it but as

far as the way they treated uh the Russell Westbrook treatment from what the athletic reported, I can absolutely see other players that's been there for a long time having an attitude because you're treating somebody better. Uh they just got there to have a one for you.

Like I said, I fucking rest for two, but hasn't had a championship experience yet. As far as winning a championship, I should say, because he's been to a championship. Yeah. And then to kind of further that Mace, is that something that you could see like other players kind of feeling frustrated with Russ's addition to the team? And then just in general, do you like, you know, the way that he's been playing for the Nuggets from what we've seen in the season so far? I think they weren't, I think this is a new frustration that started building up as you start losing games. You know, when he first got there, everybody was excited. I remember Jokic even said, you know know how excited he was for us to join him, but what you know

What it takes for a person to keep you around Sometimes more than what you're producing, you know, and then that's when it becomes a problem Well, as long as we're winning, it's all good. That's your however you are a problem. As long as we're winning, it's all good that you're however you are. When people start losing, they start saying now this is unbearable because now we're losing. And I think that's the sum total of it. I don't have to really know all the specifics. We know that Russell Westbrook has a big personality. And your personality is that big you have to be delivering You know, you got to be delivering points steals Something that equates to all of the personality that comes with you, you know

And that's just real just knowing there's a lot of people with big big personalities in the mba and he's one of them You know, even when they got memes of his face like this, you know, like who are you talking to? Like, you know, it's already out there. The perception is already out there. So the best thing he could do, whether it's true or false is ball out. Okay. And then moving along. So Shaq has had a lot of interviews lately and we know he's going to be very blunt and say how he feels. Some of the quotes earlier in the season, he was talking about the Pistons just being boring, they're not as fun to watch. Even in an interview, one of his friends referred to Luca as basically fat Luca.

And so he kind of ran with that narrative when describing some things that he was doing. Some people, of course, when they hear certain words, they see it as him hating on the new hotness. So Maurice, in your opinion, what do you think is appropriate criticism and what do you think is hate? Because coming from Shaq, people interpret things differently, but how do you interpret it? Yeah.

So when it comes to Shaq, he's definitely qualified as a player from being dominant, you know, winning championships, you know, just all the stuff that he's done over the years to, you know, you know, create his brand and everything, you know, he's qualified to speak on guys. But I think that there just with some people, when people hold them in high regard, they just don't want to hear them speak as harshly about people. I think that's as part of it. I've heard some of it and some of it, the tone of it sounds like, hey, you know, sometimes niggas be getting old and niggas just be hating on niggas and it'd be Shaq. It can be anybody. Shaq don't get a pass from me. I can just tell the tone

when some of the stuff, when you start talking about people and you start talking about their money, what they're getting paid, really dying on your motherfucking business. You know what I'm saying? I think there's a lot of stuff that you could talk about that that's like that that you can give criticism to. And I think it's a lot of people got a lot of feelings towards Shaq, but they do not really say to him, you know, he cops like with that Papa John stuff, you know, I think, you know, dudes are forever looked at as weird, you know, once they start pumping me in and a but, you know, and these are my opinions and my voice this is it is what it is to just, you know, just my interpretation of my opinion of what I was like, at or shack over the year

and he could not give a fuck about what I say and that's cool too. But I think like these are just some things that when Shaq says stuff people be like, man get the fuck out of here. You know, just be an old school nigga, watch the games, you know, lean your opinion to where you have it. But that's just my opinion. Some of it comes off as hate. But I think a lot of people have a lot of different feelings towards Shaq, towards Barkley, you know, kissing the graph and they put these dudes in a different bucket and just don't take them serious. But you you know Shaq is also somebody who got called out by Kobe you know about being lazy so who are you the you are not the authoritative voice on the high level of discipline and the

extreme nature it takes to be you know what Jordan and Kobe are with that mamba mentality so that's my take on that situation. Now, what was the question against that? Mo gave a great point. Yeah. So basically, in your opinion, what do you think is considered appropriate criticism versus hate? Because when Shaq says it, it's kind of interpreted in different ways. So what's your take on that? Yeah, I think this is something that I've been paying more attention to as well as myself because when you think of like Shaq or any person that people probably grew up looking

to, the criticism comes across different because these are people, you're almost getting criticized by a person you admire. So it is a weird situation You know cuz I remember you know just first getting into music and niggas would say stuff about me And I'm like wow I used to look up to this nigga It felt pause crazy cuz you like yo this is such a such like I used to dance to this thing of music now This niggas Critiquing me like I'm better than him. So I know, I know that feeling. I know when KD says it, I see it when Tatum does it, you know, says it and just

and just countless other guys. But when Shaq does it, it's like, like Moe says, sometimes the undertone is mean-spirited it's not about the basketball it's about something else and I think when people not shack is doing this part that I'm about to say but when people do things such as that it begins to come across like misusing the platform that we have like when we have a platform we have a platform to give our take but the take should never be underlined with an ulterior motive like I'm saying this but I'm saying this to create this over here or I'm saying this to get a response back to you so I could stay on the air or be

relevant for five more days I think that's the misuse of the platform that that that you're really speaking of and I don't think that's what Shaq is doing I think is honestly just how Shaq feels but I think other people do it the way I'm talking about Yeah The way what makes this is is actually actually really accurate on a lot of points. I remember when I was creating the show and I was just thinking like, I want to deliver a show or opinions to where how niggas talk, how we talk. Before I get to Shaq because I like what Mace just said and I remember talking when I was on all the smoke shout out to all the smoke and

I was talking to Stephen Jackson and we was talking about the same topic that we're talking about now and Stephen Jackson said the thing about it, is that when it comes from people like us, it means more. So therefore, niggas take it more personal than somebody else who may not have been in the urban community that they didn't look up to like Mase was just explaining. Mase was really spot on and accurate with what he was just saying. Because I remember Nas dissing me for nothing, for no reason. And I'm like, Nas, what did I do to Nas? Like, I remember Nas dissing me for nothing for no reason and I'm like Nas what did I do to Nas? I love Nas growing up n***a trying to diss me for what? What did I do to this n***a? And I remember sitting there like because of the personality I have and the n***a or the nigga out, you know growing up in the light

Am I about to go to war with Nas? I can't just let him say that Just think you can say but it's but it's not as damn bro. Yeah, I let's do it Gotta go at this point Me you wasn't even speaking back then and I saw the nigga prodigy god bless prodigy Well, if you like that music like max be and cam and I was like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're gonna you're gonna run that Prodigy actually said I stole pink from him. I was like, okay, I know Prodigy from the projects with the Hennessy shirt.

Yeah, with the cam on. Yeah, with the beard, damn it. So I'm like, I ain't no P was wearing pink. And I said, it's no just the pink. Then when you go to ask somebody like Max B in that situation, he wild Disrespectfully like ain't the nigga Want to say what Max B is?

B is rude, but good prodigy's not here and I'm big project fair, but yeah, it's a Mesa's point You like, you know, you know Drake had that line when your idols become your rivals line when your idols become your rivals. It's kind of crazy. So back to Shaq. Shaq is harsher than most. You know what I'm saying? It's really, really hard for us to impress Shaq. You know, Dwight Howard tried to show love and put on the Superman cape and shot and just went left for, has been left forever since he put on the Superman cape. Fake ass Superman, fuck is this nigga right here thinking he me. This Javel McGee to the point with Javel McGee mother hit Shaq like, yo, leave my son alone B, what's wrong with you? Then I remember on actually after a game on TNT with Donovan Mitchell had a real good game.

I'm not sure if he was on Cleveland yet. I believe he was still in Utah. He had a really, really good game and Sal's and Kenny and I was talking and then we got to Shaq. Shaq said, I think you're good, but you're not good enough to lead a team to a championship. And Donovan Mitchell was just sitting there like, okay.

enough to lead a team to a championship and Darwin Mitchell was just sitting there like okay like he did you know like he did yeah and Darwin Mitchell was cool about it he's like okay I feel you like what he's like we have to say that like all right whatever because at this was at that point and then Darwin Mitchell still haven't won but when you deal with somebody like Shaq Stack has three three titles three Peter three MVPs tight finals MVPs in a row Went to Miami got a championship So, you know even on their show and I know they joke a lot, but I see Shaq actually get into it with Barkley when they're going back and forth and Shaq actually get into it with Barkley when they're

going back and forth and Shaq is like, you don't. It's so Barkley. Listen, you please be quiet right now because you don't know what it takes to repeat. Me and Kenny knows what it takes to repeat. You don't have an idea what it

takes to repeat. So, so please be quiet on this segment and then Barkley jumped in like, yeah, cuz Kobe was carrying your ass. If Kobe wasn't carrying it, you wouldn't have won nothing and thank the way for the other one you got and he's like, so he it isn't

just players there. Play Shakatron. This players that haven't played before as well. So, the one thing you can say about Shaq is that he's consistent. I can say that. It isn't like as he's just picking on anybody randomly. He's very consistent on how he feels about players that's underachieving in his brain. Yeah and I can concur with that. Shaq is very consistent. It's not like he's picks little niggas and then That one is taller niggas. He keep the same energy with everybody

Yeah, so to you guys this point. I'm gonna ask all of you guys this do you feel like? favoritism is okay in certain situations because when you guys brought up those points like the messenger does matter like Even like all three of you guys here, like obviously I very much respect all of you guys brought up those points, the messenger does matter. Even all three of you guys here, obviously I very much respect all of you guys. So if you all told me something, I might feel some type of way, but I can receive it because I know you guys aren't trying to bash me. So in these type of cases, is it okay for him to be like, should he kind of warrant like, this person's good, but this, or should he just say how he feels right off? Because it does come across as a jab a lot of the times to different players.

And Maurice, I'll let you answer this first. Listen to me. Everybody can be skilled with words, right? He's used to rap, entertain and all that stuff. So he has a vocabulary. And he can be with tea with words. But to me, he chooses to say stuff and do stuff that way and I just think it's from like a a suckers perspective on some level that's just my opinion

though just because if you don't want to deliver a message hard if you if you're really trying to help somebody there's a way to deliver a message a thousand different ways and if you keep on hearing that the way that you're delivering a message is rubbing people more the wrong way pause Then helping them then you're not actually accomplishing what you're looking to accomplish, right? And so that's just my opinion on it. You know, you can be crafty with words and people choose To say what they want to say and it's like this fake bullshit. I don't know I don't like fake bullets. Not just my that's probably my undertone. I just hate fake-ass bullets Like I was trying to be crafty with words like it just like bullshit bro. It just get the fuck out of here

You know I'm saying that's that's how I really Okay, you made all your bread you made all your money like you supposed to be at a different place in life I just hate when niggas be Like as black people you graduated life you make all your money you supposed to go further down the road you know I'm saying like coming off like like like Nikki you can't even toughen you were for a billion dollars damn near by nigga like and talking to niggas crazy I just hate them like that should be cornered to me that's just that's how I really

feel like that's your mom mo I love you on this show. We gonna get you need security. I don't think niggas know who Mo connected to. Mo connected on the west coast of the United States. I'm talking about Mo got Carl Tauke and Moe is too cholo to know it man. They don't know Moe. They don't know cartel. You don't know no cartel Moe. Listen Moe. Listen.

Nigga I'm telling you now. I'm telling people for real all the time. Niggas need to do a real background check on who Moe is. I Tell the people for real Now but for real and listening to you more I learned something today, you know I learned that that um, and killer I'm just saying this from from listening to mo I recognize that as younger talent you hear you to all the people differently like when they're critiquing you you don't even hear them right you know like when they're critiquing you you like oh this nigga is trying to play me it almost makes you black out because you have such high

regard for these people you don't know where to go with the information because it doesn't come across like they're trying to help you so it makes people go overboard with what they say it's almost like I'm gonna use us for an example like when we were talking about Shakir, I mean Shakur, right? Like he didn't hear it right. He heard it the way a young nigga is gonna hear it. Like, and I'm glad we having this conversation because you basically heard it like, yo, what nigga?

And it makes you go there because you can't go nowhere else. You can't say like these niggas is poor or whatever So it makes you like black out so as older talent we got a not older talent But just more seasoned more mature talent we we have to watch the way we deliver the message for real But so that I'll add it But so that'll add it. It does take to the table. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Y'all can't keep switching topics and skipping me. Like, that should be crazy. You niggas do that, yo. Like, for real.

So that should be crazy. Anyway, the actual question before you go into the next question stat was exactly what? I was basically just saying, do you think that there's a different way to go about it? Because I was saying, I respect y'all. I'm expecting a certain type of way for it to be told. Do you think you should change it up or just be blunt about it? No, like, like I totally disagree with what Mase just said. And like, I get what he said.

But we didn't start this show caring about being responsible about what niggas be thinking. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, if niggas wanna change, if niggas is changing up and getting a little softer, that's not what I came here for. I'm not here for niggas feelings the same way that niggas had this, I say,

and niggas like Mace said, I dig it. And what he's saying is not wrong. He's absolutely 100% correct. I'm just not with that. You're in the public spotlight. You have a problem with niggas saying, oh, well, because that's just being in the public spotlight. You have to deal with it the way you deal with it.

And that was a great example of what Mace said, because I totally think he's spot on with the Shakur shit. He said, yo, fuck is this nigga talking about? But that's back to what Steven Jackson was just saying that everybody said the same thing about that fight with Shakur. Everybody, but when it comes from me and Mason, Mason myself, it means more, or who the fuck is they, or this guy in the third, because the first thing Mason said, he blacked out. Who is they? They don't got the best podcast, bum ass shit, this guy in the third. And people use soundbites too, like for instance that scenario with Shakur they took a soundbite

and he's like yo we make more money than you da da da da da and people like oh who now y'all bragging about money this that and the third no that was a soundbite the only reason that I said that because I was responding to what he said. He said, little podcast, bum ass podcast, that little joke, who cares about it? I'm like, I was a bum ass little joke when this is what we doing. So it wasn't really about a money thing when I said that. It was more about him down the down play

what Mason and myself had going on. But what I will say is this, is that athletes, some athletes, what happens is they get offended. I remember the same thing with Cam Newton. When Cam Newton was shooting, I want to say shooting, where he was more opinionated trying to say, why would people want to? And I'm working it a little differently because I don't remember what he said verbatim, but I just remember him saying that, yo, why would you want,

people want to hear about football from Cam and Mace more than they want to hear from somebody who plays football. And it's like, yo, because we're given an honest opinion. We may not know that X and O is as good as Cam Newton but that's why we bring in a Michael Irvin or OJ or Antonio Brown or somebody that can add more context to our actual opinion. Just because you didn't play the sport that doesn't mean that you can't talk about the sport better than somebody who actually played the sport. Just because you played the sport that doesn't mean that you're

very good at talking about what you used to do or what somebody else is doing in the same sport that you played period. So you have to be creative with delivering the message but as far as delivering a message and more careful about it I leave at the Mace because I'm not gonna be more careful about it I'm just saying, you know, I thought about it, I gave it thought, and then I said, I'm not going. Like the Wolf of Wall Street. They almost had me. I thought about quitting. To that point, I was going to add, that's kind of what makes y'all y'all because we're

not really expecting it to be like we're expecting y'all to address it how you do, which you do. But also I think it takes like, I don't want to call my generation soft because it's my generation, but it also takes actively listening to what the message is being said. Like I think everybody is so quick to be on attack mode when it's like, you're not even necessarily being attacked. Like I'm just saying it how it is. And if that's how you, I don't say that's how you receive it. But if that's how you listen to and it's heard, you're going to go base off of that without even fully listening to the message.

So be to be totally honest with you, my personal opinion on this topic is as far as people being offended or feel away about people's opinions. I'm being honest, to me, murdering myself is actually PG-13. I'm being honest with you, because why would Jaylen Brant talk about letting one of these parlay niggas run down me? Imagine what these niggas DMs is like. Imagine what niggas are saying when they walking into our arena Yo, nigga, you fucked my ticket up last yelling at these niggas

This fuck is wrong with y'all niggas out there Imagine the DMs, yo, the DMs they niggas probably get is crazy because I know 10 DMs everybody from From Jalen Brunson, the Adam Silver I'm talking about somebody from up an argument that they thought was good so I don't even think we as bad as the as the average person on the street and that's all I was saying that we really a chair our it's always our opinion but we translate you know how niggas feel anyway we might need to let we might need to let the niggas we grew up with Okay, could TJ watt be on move? We will discuss after the break. She's out of here and I don't know what's happening me won't fall Oh, oh dealing with this thing called trust

But she really think I'm out of me free Welcome back. So now let's get into our underdog picks up the day to night The Clippers will play the Kings underdog has James Harden mace at 24 and a half points Do you have them higher or lower? I'm going higher James Harden got he's gonna have more than 24 against the Kings Especially with Levine coming his way pause. He gonna definitely have to have more Thank you Yeah

I'm gonna go higher. Like I, all these games count down to the wire. And the Clippers are looking really, really good. Sacramento's fighting for the seeding and the playing. This is going to be really important game for both teams. I'm going to actually go higher and say that the Clippers are going gonna win this game. That just shapes our now. Hi, okay, I'm clicking. They've been clicking man underdog man hit me to me. I know this is why y'all pay me. Not Nick talking about underdog. That's why you paid us.

I understand man. I dig it man. So we're gonna go higher. Okay, so bonus is at 37 and a half points, rebounds, and assists. You have them higher or lower camp. Mm. This is gonna be a good one, man. This is good. Uh, I'm gonna go lower. I'm gonna go lower. I think this is gonna be a DeRosa and Zach Levine game. Yeah, I was about to say the same. Lower, he definitely gonna be lower than that. All right, and Zach Levine's at 30 and a half points, rebounds and assists.

You have him higher or lower, Mace? I'm going higher. I'm going higher. Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with Mace. I think he's gonna be higher. It's gonna be an explosive game. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm I'm out of the agree with makes I think you know is going to be high. So many explosive game. Yeah. Okay. Make sure y'all download the

underdog app and you guys can make your picks too. So TJ what posted a picture on Instagram in his dealer jersey putting up the peace sign with no caption. Of course this has people questioning what the hell is going on. So he's entering the final season of a four year $112 million deal and he's due a base

salary of $21.05 million for the 2025 season. With that being said, Maurice, what do you see happening? What do you think was the point of that post? Who were Miles Garrett? That's where that comes from. When you see your rival, somebody who didn't put up to, you didn't put up similar stats, and you see this nigga make him 40 million,

and y'all got the same stats, nigga, 20 to 40 is a long way away. A lot of distance, right? And so you start to say to yourself, like, nigga, y'all don't raise a salary cap. And so I'm pretty sure, you know, we've learned how to threaten niggas in a lot of different ways in the social media era.

And so he just put the speculation in the water and he's like hey shit, if you get some of these other teams rumbling about taking me, I know what the market's calling for and 20 million is 20 million. Nobody's that loyal to one team to miss out on 20 million that they should be making when their stats in that same division are within the same ballpark. I don't know them all, but I know anytime you see his brother TJ Watt, he's always advocating at who's the best defensive player in that division.

He's always comparatively putting stats up. So I think it was just a genius press move and he's pressing them just through social media. It's a genius press move and he's no precedent just to social media Yeah, I think he's Silently extorting them, you know saying you know what this guy got 20. I mean this guy got 40. I got 20 That's double the salary, you know, so definitely he got a look at his agent He definitely got a look at his team because sometimes people get mad at the organization I remember killer was having this conversation before and niggas kind to look at his team because sometimes people get mad at the organization I remember killer was having this conversation before and he's got to look at the The agent and the people doing their deals

You can't really get mad at him getting 40 you got to get your agent to get you 45 you know going in say and and and and Begin to speak on your behalf and to share your strong suits, your upside, what you've done for this organization and what you can continue to do, that's going to be an organization in favor. And I think that would have been better than just throwing up the peace side and going to speak with the owner and letting them know, hey, I really want to stay as a Pittsburgh Stiller, but I really need that 45.

You know, 45 keeps me here, you know, no need to bring bad press. I want to be very mature about it and very, very businesslike. Matter of fact, make it 46 because Christmas is coming up, you know? And I think, you know, stuff like that go a long way with owners and stuff like that when you're able to talk to them in that way. He might end up with 47. Who knows? Look at Kelle.

I was just, this is what I was saying, man. Like, you know, the fellas got on resilient, man. You know, I'm not saying that I'm not going to be a good guy, man. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy.

I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm not going to be a good guy. I'm just saying that I'm I was saying man, like, well fellas stand up resilient man. I'm getting titties flashed on me right now. That's crazy. Yeah. Niggas don't want me to do my job man. I'll focus though. I'm just trying to help me do

and both y'all takes. This is a silent distortion. This is saying what you want without having to actually say what you want. And like Biggie said, now listen man, I like the White, all the White brothers for that matter. And I think they all good, both of them too. Those are some of my favorites. Listen, none of these niggas miles Gary made That's just none of y'all figures is miles Gary B And I think that y'all are really really good, but you're not miles Gary So if you get somewhere closer with miles Gary the guy that like me son is really about your agent if your agent could get You more than what miles Gary got that would be amazing But to get more than miles Gary this car to crazy too But it's all about which agent can do for you We see the bunch of players get paid the last few years no matter what sport it is

Getting more than they actually deserve so as what your agent can actually do for you But I take from the post a salad and stortion The great words from me. Yeah, he might need to get mama love involved, you know mama love going in sliding the note 47 So how do y'all feel about players being able to kind of like have their way to this extent cuz it's like TJ Why can just post up a picture and now it's like this big buzz is big conversation Is he staying or is he going even down to the clips of like James Harden going around telling everybody that Doamore is a liar, but then on the opposite end, you got Dennis Schroeder talking about, oh, NBA is like modern day slavery, but then he gets traded

and doesn't get a choice. How do you guys kind of feel about the difference between like, obviously highly sought off players versus, you know, players who are good, but not on the same caliber, kind of being able to make those decisions through conversations, podcasts, posts, etc. I think it's beautiful. You know, if a guy has skill, he knows how to leverage it. You know, you know, you grow up in the age where you can, you just see people being able to speak for themselves. But, you know, there was at a time where people just couldn't represent their own thoughts. They had to speak to an agent.

If they had some sort of tactic that they thought would work, you know, you really couldn't get the message to who needed to hear the message. You couldn't defend yourself the way that you needed to defend yourself because you were just between so many people who had so many other relationships inside a circumstance. And so anytime somebody can advocate for themselves, speak for themselves and whatever comes of it comes of it. But she said it, you say to yourself that at least I had a chance to fight for myself or leverage my brand in a way. I think it's actually beautiful. I'm, I'm the person who advocates for everybody being able to operate as

independent as they can in order to advance themselves. So I enjoy what social media has allowed guys to do for themselves. Yeah social media has made it where you you honestly can extort people and and and I that's why I use that word because if a person doesn't want bad press Because of the internet now you could put people in all kind of precarious situations that won't work in their favor and and sometimes because because of that unwanted press a Lot of people find themselves getting money. They would know by any other means would not get So it's definitely worked in a lot of people's favor. It's just a matter if they're going to be able to take it when that same

negative press come back their way is what I would say. But the internet has definitely leveled the playing field because in some cases because we didn't have the internet, there was a lot of people got away with a lot of things that allowed them to stay in power. And that's from football to entertainment to so many other things. Everything, even the government, you know, I could only imagine what life would have been like with Bill Clinton and the internet, you know?

So it's like the internet has saved generations. So I'm thankful for the internet. You know, so it's the ones that are beneficial for and I think that people who think that they better than they are are not beneficial for like you know if you're somebody like let's uh uh what you can sit he's good so he can do **** like this. But when you're Dennis

Schroeder you get traded to 19 teams in 4 hours. Now he ended up on a good team with Detroit. I think he ended up in a great place. But as soon as he said that slavery shit, he was gone in 48 hours. Bounced around the Diff Paws and all type of teams. Luckily, he ended up in a good spot under Detroit. But sometimes, you can't say what you want when you're not that good. You should be

careful so it's not always beneficial you can also hurt yourself saying the wrong shit when you're not as when you don't have the cash either to think you have. To build on to that point but just imagine if you're a young dude in high school, you get a chance to watch guys even do this, you know, where you would have never heard this before. You would have had to give you a message to an agent and you hope that he doesn't have some thing that he's working out with the ownership or general managers and just, you know, like that's how the, like that's the thing I love about it, that the younger guys get the chance to learn in real time and then they get a chance to take it a little bit further and advocate for themselves.

And that's why people making all the money that they make now because information is more accessible and then people show you how to implement it. Yeah. Okay. And then last thing before we wrap. So we previously spoke about how Brown's owner, Jimmy Haslam, basically say, you know, having Deshaun Watson was a miss, which obviously I gave my viewpoint on that. I was like, I don't know if you can say it, but you know,

the owner can say what he wants to say. So Deshaun Watson had a little message that he posted in a workout video, basically saying greatness comes when your back is against the wall. It's kind of better because you really got to lock in. You don't have anything pretty much to lose. And I feel like that's where I'm at right now. Everyone is doubting me. Everyone doesn't believe in me and everyone doesn't think I can get back to where I was. But I know and I believe the work that I put in that I believe in myself basically said

that he's been channeling his piece and basically ready to get back better than he was before Maurice after hearing that. First, do you think Deshaun is amiss? And then what do you think of what you have to say? Are you expecting high expectations from the season or what do we think? Yeah, I hope that he, you know, gets back to or gets to perform in a way that he wants to perform, you know, to get back is one thing, but you know, to excel further than that and to do more, you know, you hope to, uh, you hope it right. And so I just know as an athlete, you get the spirit of wanting to do well. Um, but then there's like a reality that there's only so much that you can do yourself, right? As a quarterback, you know, you still need to throw the ball to people.

They still got to catch it. You still have to have a running back to, to put you in a situation, you still need to throw the ball to people. They still got to catch it. You still have to have a running back to put you in a situation where you get the coverage that you want. You still have to have defenders on the other side of the ball that has to stop the other team. And so I get the spirit in which he's saying everything that he's saying it. Because if I heard my owner basically say, hey, I bought bad work and this shit ain't working out, I will bad work and you know, this shit ain't working out.

I will feel some type of way. And, you know, uh, that's basically what he said, you know, and, uh, and, you know, at the end of the day, you know, uh, I will feel that way too, but, you know, I, I, I want him to give back just because I've been down and had to climb back up and it feels good when you redeem yourself. So, and, and that spirit, I'm wishing well, but football is in a game where one person can just do so much like basketball.

What in basketball, one person can influence a lot, but in football, there's so many different variables. And that goes with a ton of things. And so that's my take on it. Yeah, I wish Deshaun Watson the best. I hope he gives back, but history just says he won't. You know, like when you think about the society that in the community that he's a part of, it's hard to achieve when the people at the top of your society and your community is not in favor of that success. So when they make statements such as, we are now, I believe I bought the wrong work, as

Mo would say, you know, it's like, they're not going to work hard to use that work because they know it's bad work, you know? So it's like, if anything goes wrong, they're going to be looking to replace him right now. They're working on a person to come in when if he doesn't recover there right now, they're working on a person to start until he recovers. So they're definitely not working with him in mind for the future. So he has to be better than the best he think he has to be because not only does he have to Get better. He has to win the respect back, you know, because the respect has been lost that's the hardest thing to get back as an athlete or anything once you lost the respect because you got it now and go over and Above what you thought was above because now what you thought was above is just what you need to do to get

In the presence now you got to go over that to let them know I really mean what I'm saying It's like a person has been cool all the time He almost got to go crazy to get people to stop playing with him So this is where this is where the Sean Watson is right now He got to go beyond crazy to get that locker room back right now and they're they're off him Yeah, that was a really good point I think he made a key statement I ain't nothing to lose cuz he definitely loses no more fucking money to 30 guarantee. So the Mo is absolutely right. This is a basketball. You need a lot of variables to be good at the quarterback position, your offensive line, your running game, your receivers, so on and so forth.

And my personal opinion is it isn't just ownership. I believe the city tapped out on them when they was booing him when he got hurt and they was taking them off the team. So I agree with Mase, when he has to not just do well, he has to do above and beyond, which was a great point. But even if that, where's your mind at? Like me personally, I'm not a fucker with y'all niggas. Y'all niggas is boring me when I got hurt. I'm like, why don't you get in the car with me? For sure, like, y'all don't fuck with me, I don't fuck with y'all. I'm not going nowhere. Let me come to work and kick ass because if you start kicking ass the way

You know crazy like Mace was explaining. I still can't fuck with y'all niggas man Y'all niggas booed me when I was injured and got carried off. I mean yeah Claps when I got carried off the field Yeah, it wasn't like he threw an interception and got booed. The nigga was hurt. Yeah, not just hurt, carried off the field. They kept me flat. So, I'm just saying, me personally, I'll see what happens, but even if he doesn't play well, I don't believe his career is over. I believe that he's just not fitted with that organization and he may fit in with another organization. The

problem is that if he doesn't play good and they want to get rid of him, who wants to pick up his car track? It's a very big car track and nobody wants to pick it up and that's going to be the problem. But it may be a Geno Smith situation because it isn't like like for Geno Smith, right? Just using Geno Smith as an example. Pardon me, y'all, my apologies. Just using Geno Smith as an example. Geno Smith did not really play good until he got to see how he played. Okay, from time to time when he was on on the Jets or on the other team, he played for other team, he played for,

other team he played for. But when you actually got to see him flourish was in Seattle. The thing about Deshaun Watson, we seen that nigga be a fucking superstar before. He's just not playing good in Cleveland and it's not working out. But like with Geno Smith, he got a better back track record

than Geno Smith. His last season, like I think I said on the show, I don't know if I was outside on the show and was talking to one of my niggas, he led the league in scoreboard in his last full season in Houston, that's probably not scoring in yards. His last year went with Houston more than Patrick Mahomes. So we ain't like, we ain't see a nigga do

that before. And we know he has capability to do it. It just may not be working in Cleveland and he may go to another team and get back to what he was once. Yeah. Hopefully they figure it out because it's been a real interesting year for him years at that for him as a whole. But that is all the time that we have for today Maurice, it was a pleasure to have you as always. You callin? Mo, welcome back to Tattletown Mo.

Welcome back. This is crazy. This is when you need to bring the shirts back because I don't know what to take out of that but I need something. Yeah, we're working. You know, we can get the doll together Marvel in the background I picked it out And as always, it is what it is.