IT IS WHAT IT IS - SHEDEUR SANDERS CONTROVERSY POST COMBINE ABOUT HIS ATTITUDE & MA$E ANNOUNCES THE NEXT ALBUM DATE!! | S6 EP36

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Ma$e & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, Maurice Clarett joins the show to talk about the controversy surrounding the attitude of Shedeur Sanders being questioned by NFL coaches during his interviews at the combine. Is there a fine line between arrogance & confidence? Then, Mase announces when he plans to drop this next album of his and it's on a SPECIAL day. Next, Lamelo Ball trade rumors and James Harden's 50 point night makes history! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states including California, Texas, and New York just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus credits with your first deposit and

a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson aka STAT, Baby Long Thread Host Mace, Cam will be back and today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Moe, what's good? Can y'all hear the music? Yeah. It's what we can't hear in the music. I wish we could.

Y'all can't? No. Oh, I'm listening to the songs that Killer picked out of this stuff I made. You're breaking his heart, man. No, no, no. These are the songs that he picked. So I'm listening to his lineup, the ones that he picked. Yeah, you're gonna be crazy. He tell everybody how you break his heart from you not letting him

to put the music out. So this is just a tease right now. No, we was, we had to pick the right records. I let him pick the right records. So let him pick the right records. So let me put you on the spot, just on behalf of Cam. Cam, this is me. I put you on the spot. When can the music come out? When the music coming out? Yeah. May 25th.

Alright. Make sure you clip that Nick. The first day of the Diddy trial. We're dropping. You like that? You made me put that out there. I wasn't going to put that out there. Shador! Shador! Shador! You think watch Buster can bust me?

Shador! Wow. That's not amazing. Y'all, we looking forward to it, cause... Yeah! There we go. You heard him stat, you heard him stat, right? Yeah, it's clipped, and I'll remember, that's my birthday weekend, so...

So everybody in the comments, y'all remember. And make sure y'all clip this. And make sure that y'all tag them on the day. We're going to hold you to it. All right? Accountability. We are your accountability partners. We've got to hear that.

A triple CD. Triple CD. Now we even. Triple CD. the first one to do a triple. Hey, Nick, are you? Yeah. Yeah. Stay tuned. There we go. We ready. Okay. So, you spoke with Shador. We're gonna talk about Shador. Um at gonna talk about Shador.

At the NFL Combine, of course, a lot of players got their shine. Shador told the press, if you ain't trying to change the franchise, don't get me. That was the statement that kind of left with a lot of people. Shador!

Of course he said a lot of other things. But an NFL insider revealed that a quarterbacks coach from a top seven drafting team found him brash and arrogant during his interview. So people were saying he they didn't really like the way that he was answering some of his questions based off of his personality. So after hearing that and then just knowing the demeanor and personality that Shador has and the way he carries himself. What's your view on those comments calling him brash and arrogant mace? Oh man, when I think about Shador, I think he come from a live stock pause, you know, he comes, he comes from greatness. And remember, I told you in order to produce greatness you got to come from greatness

You got to be aligned with greatness. You got you got to be to Tutored by greatness you got to be trained by greatness and Chador checks all the boxes. I think this is all a stunt to get them in Vegas You see the colors on wearing. I think this is all a plan to get them in Vegas. You see the colors I'm wearing. I think this is all a plan to get them in Vegas. I was reading your mind stat. That's part of my, you know, my ability to read people's minds, you know. I think this is a brilliant scheme by Tom Brady. This is the only way to get them to Vegas. Any other way he will land in New York, which we'll be happy with that anyway. We'll be happy with that

anyway we'll be happy with him at the Giants because then somebody will come play with him boss but if he goes to any of those other teams I don't know about Tennessee for Shador I don't want to see Shador and John Moran in all you got a You gotta think of the whole culture, you know what I'm saying? That probably won't be a good idea, right? And then you think about Chidor being in Cleveland. No, no, no, no, no, no. Where would you want him to be, Stat? I think all of this is a game, and people do this.

I remember in the NBA, they used to always do this to try to make other people pick the person they don't want so they can get the player they want. This is strategy at its best. I wouldn't take it no other way. This is strategy at its best. What do you think, Mo? You're from Titletown, too.

Stata has not graduated to Titletown, but you have so we're gonna let the Titletowner speak. And just because we're talking about Titletown y'all know it's March so representing UConn, you know I had a different choice outfit today but I represent my guys from UConn. Shout out to the old coaching staff right? But I typically like, you know, so one, I'll get to the coach next. But to build on what you're talking about, I typically like when people are confident and they want to be great, right? Anytime that I go see a player, be it football, be it basketball, if I'm convincing you on what your attitude should be like to be great,

greatness really isn't for you, right? To here to know your Sanders to know that people criticize you they're gonna hold on to every word knowing that your pops probably said hey when you go to the combine it's gonna be lights camera action on you and there for him to still take that stance and to be comfortable knowing that he's getting ready to go into OTAs going to the draft and going to preseason and accept that role and accept that hype. I actually like it, you know what I'm saying? Because you're basically betting on yourself to say, hey man, I'll put myself out here.

I want to be great. Another point to add on to what you said, I do want to see Chidor in a major market, right? I just think that their brand is filled with stardom and the glitz, the glamour and everything that has to do with high profile people. And I would love to see him in Vegas. And I'll be like when you say it and knowing his history with Tom Brady, I would love to see him in Vegas and to have him develop his career and basically

just bring in that young, youthful energy, the swag that he has that, you know, he's gotten from his father and things of that nature. And so it's like with any other player, um, the coach or whoever it was, the quarterback's coach didn't like it. That's his opinion. But I'm pretty sure there was another 31 teams who probably said, hey, you know, I don't find anything wrong with it. I actually like and enjoy people who want to be great. I just think the things sent to work out for them. Yeah, I actually couldn't agree more. I see Shador in a flashy city like the Raiders I know when you have that competitive spirit you want to go number one overall. I think who doesn't but it's like

Sometimes things work out better in another market and I think that the Raiders Going over on number one It's just, you know, that's the milestone that a lot of people want to hit, which, I mean, it could be Shador, it could be Kim Ward, don't know which one it's gonna be yet, but I do think that the Raiders would be a good fit for Shador.

But I do kind of want to backpedal to those comments that that coach had made, because it's kind of like, okay, he's being noted as arrogant. And that's the kind of narrative that people are pushing on him. So I kind of have just a general question and kind of want you guys to give advice

to even whether you're thinking of younger athletes or people who are breaking into their careers. How do you kind of deal with people who are intimidated by who you truly are? Because it's not like Shador is putting on a front. That's what he knows. That's what he is and that's how he presents himself. So how do you kind of navigate that

and the whole intimidation factor, how people are calling him arrogant because of how he acts? Well, intimidation and judgment are two different things. So I'm not sure which one you're trying to deal with first. Is it the intimidation or is it the judgment of the arrogance? Let's start. Let's start with intimidation. I would personally say they're intimidated because they feel like he has a big personality

But I want to know your point of view Yeah, I'm a firm believer that when you look at any person right whether this is me. This is cam. This is for person right whether this is me this is cam this is for um um mo he's another a member of title town i just signed off on his documents last week to be incorporated in title town stat yours is in review yours is in review i'm not sure if i want to stamp cam's papers yet but shout out to cam you know i'm, I'm still looking over your title town documents. You got a few pieces missing, but I'm going to send you a letter so you can send that information in and then we'll we'll get you up to speed. Right, right, Mo. We'll get them up to speed.

Yeah, but when we're talking about keep hope alive, stack, keep hope alive, keep hope alive. Now as we talk about any person, right, whether it's me, it's Killa, it's Mo, it's Nick, it's you, it's Larry, it's anybody, Sin City, I'm a firm believer that the very thing that you like about a person can be viewed two ways right even when you like in relationships right when you like a person you'll say oh he's ambitious right he's ambitious but then when you don't like it he's narcissistic oh he's he's he's very this guy he's a go-getter he he's he's he's disciplined and then you know on another end he'd be doing too much. It's the same

trait it depends on if you like it or not when you like it is one thing like you know even being being married is the same way. She said, well, you you're assertive. Then if she don't like it, she'll say you're being controlling. It's the same actual. Oh, my goodness. I just said another good thing for you all to remember. It's the same exact trait. It's just a matter of if you like it or not. When you see somebody that you think is narcissistic and you love them, you're like, I love his confidence. Well confidence seen the wrong way in a negative sense could be narcissistic. Depends on how you see it. Confident, arrogant.

Good point. Yeah. That's how they're looking at your door. They don't like it. So therefore the the the surety that he has, they're seeing that as arrogant. If it was in somebody that they like, they would say I like his his assurance. He get they'll use different words for the same exact thing. He brings clarity to the to the franchise He's stable, you know, see if you're stable when they don't like it as your stubborn Yeah, no same exact thing No, that's a great point and just put my mind you took my mind to a place

About a book that I read when I was in prison It was called power versus force, right? and a power versus force has a scale of consciousness that I share with everybody every time I get a chance and Based on a person's opinion or how they see the world or their perspective There's a scale that correlates with it, right? And so when people typically give their harsh opinion about somebody, or it's based on negative, I typically ask myself, where is that person at

on the scale of consciousness? Because they can only see the world, behave in the world, and act like the way that they view the world, right? And so one thing we also need to include inside of this is that there's a lot of men who are insecure, right? And so we don't really address that issue because of football You're supposed to be masculine and and you're supposed to be tough and you're supposed to be this is well accomplished guy And I think a lot of stuff when they're when people throw harsh comments at a guy

Especially somebody who's 19 20 21 years old and as harsh as he's lazy not lazy, but uh, he's arrogant To me, that's all like that person projecting their insecurities on the person they're talking to because Shador reminds them of something else you know i'm saying and so uh i really don't respect anything from anybody who don't put their name associated with it because if i have the balls to say hey you're arrogant or you're something i'm going to say i'm the one who said it and allow you to have that same criticism towards me so you understand where it's coming from and so that's my thoughts on it

One I hear what they're saying, but two I don't respect it if you just can't say hey I'm such as such for the Tennessee Titans or I'm such as such for the Kansas City Chiefs And this is how I feel about maybe so this is how I feel about stat. I just don't respect it So that's my piece on it. I Like that That's my piece on it. I like that, Mo. Yeah, that's a good point. Because it's the same thing.

It's the same thing, lazy or laid back. It's the same gesture. It just depends on how you view it. Right. Good point. And then I agree also, not stating who you are, because I just feel like the whole pillow talking to start a narrative across other media members, it's just not cool like Shador is good

the whole arrogant thing he's literally confident that's what people quite literally say they want to see in quarterbacks he's showing that and now because you know we already know they was popping over there at Colorado and everybody was hating on them and now you want to bring it to the lead. Like let's not do that. Let's leave that in the past. Why you calling it, why did you call it pillow talking? Cause that's what it is. Oh you think so? You think it's a girlfriend liking his curls of the guy making the decision?

The way the statements were made, that's kind of the attitude I'm getting from it. Like you're mad about something else because you literally say you want a confident quarterback he goes up there and gives you confidence and now he's arrogant yeah you ain't calling nobody else arrogant no but i spoke about this i feel the same way mo i had to you know sometimes you got to be unattractive so you can get where you wanna go. I do that a lot. I'm guilty of it.

Some days I come out not caring how I look. Because if I'm too good looking, I get too much hate. I don't know if you guys know what I'm talking about, but this is how I feel. You know, if I ever came out with six-pack abs you know what I'm saying then I gotta worry about Usher, I gotta worry about all these people you know and I really don't have time for it Nick that's really what it is so every now and then you know I'll I'll get like in really good shape just to show you I could but I really don't like to do that because the hate Becomes too much for me, you know it becomes very much for me

You know, I start wearing bright colors. I start looking too good. You know what I'm saying? You ever been there? You ever been there? You ever been there? Hey, he had his weed this morning. You've been on a 365 days of fine. You get what I'm saying? Every time you come out, people want pictures. They want selfies, you know. People be with their wife and want a selfie.

I have to say, Miss, please don't do that. Because your husband is going to hate me. And I don't want that. You know, I really don't do that because your husband is gonna hate me and I don't want that you know I really don't want that. Go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry for projecting on you guys. I'm sorry for projecting. We got mad about your confidence. We welcome your confidence. We welcome you to be who you are. I'm brother. It's true. And so you agree with that, right? Yeah. I said that because, you know, I just wanted to give y'all example. You see how I just said that?

You guys laugh, but somebody would say, how arrogant of him to say that. How do young people say it? I'm just speaking my truth. You got a truth. Speak your truth. Yeah, no. So I was going to say I talked about this last week, right? And I didn't even think about it until you start talking. But remember, I talked to you about where black people are put in two boxes, right? It's the corny black guy or the Negro.

And so since you don't have a history of seeing somebody who's confident and who can be themselves Like these kids are coming out of college with millions of dollars now, so you're not going to be the same College quarterback from 10 or 15 years ago. Who's just happy to be here and very gracious to be here and Doing just the same one too And I'm just talking about now you're looking at your door just like we looked at Michael Vick at one point just like you looked at the first black quarterback at some point and now it's become a normal thing to see guys in that space.

It's the same thing with personalities. You have to let more people in the space with different personalities that say, okay, I'm not looking at somebody who's arrogant. I'm just looking at a different version of a young black quarterback, right? What somebody who comes in, like if you come in with resources, you come in with money, you come in with style, you come in with hype, if you're driving a Rolls Royce on a college campus, I'll tell you like this, you're going to feel some type of way about yourself. That's just the reality of it.

And so when I get on a podium and I start talking to people, I'm going to have a confidence that somebody who doesn't do this has. It comes from accomplishment. And so we talked about it last week as Mase was talking and he was speaking his truth. It basically made a point in my mind that that's what we that's what we're watching with Shador. Shador will infect positively younger dudes to beat themselves. Some people go like it, some people won't. Good points. What do you think Stat?

Yeah, I mean, I also feel like I still feel like it's hating. I feel like everything that he's got up to at this moment, like he's earned it, like they changed that whole program and organization around like, regardless, if you weren't tuned into Colorado before you were tuned in when Dion and Chidork got there. And like you were saying the other day, Mace, like when you start changing things around, you move different. And people will either receive that or they won't. And clearly there,

oh, this is too much. He's too arrogant. He's too... Yeah, you're just not the same. And I really can, I really can agree with him because I know what it's like to touch a million dollars at a very young age, at 19, 20 years old. And you having that money when you're very young, everything just changes. You know, you go from this person that people like you to loving you with, oh my goodness. You know, people walking up to you just going, oh my goodness, they don't even get their words out. That's a different life.

And that is gonna breed a different confidence, you know? Yeah. And most people have to work into their 30s and their 40s to ever touch that level of finances. So therefore it's definitely gonna breed a different confidence, especially when it's coming going to breed a different confidence especially when it's coming from an African-American man I must I must add that in there too but you know you know we're living in a new day we're living

in a new day where people have to have to welcome new norms it's not the old norms like I don't ever remember people getting paid to play sports at an early age When we were playing you would that was a violation the whole the whole season is lost if a Player got a cheeseburger. So now think about different that is today Where people are banners were taken down if a guy got sneakers and $100 from the coach stat. The whole the whole Final Four banner got to come down. We've come a long way. We've come a long long way. So it definitely it's just time to accept the new norm. That's all it is is a new norm and they got to understand that if

his dad was that confident, his dad was that confident you definitely not gonna get a second son or his youngest son to be a Heisman or Heisman worthy and he shows up with less confidence he come from a family of confident people. Right and that's what he knows so shout out to him. Hopefully that narrative shifts because I don't like it. It's just giving, hating. I don't like it. Yeah.

I don't like it. Okay. So time to talk about a potential trade rumor. So we're looking at the Mellow Ball. I know the other day people were like, the Hornets. Yes, we're going to talk about the Hornets cuz I'm ten steps ahead So NBA insider Michael Scott oh said following the Luca trade NBA executives around the league have expanded their horizons on which Potential stars could be next to change teams

The availability of Hornets gargle bellow ball is one of the stars several executives who spoke with hoops hype We'll be monitoring on the trade market this summer Melo ball actually leaving mace. Do you like it or do you not like it? hoops hype we'll be monitoring on the trade market this summer. Lamelo will eventually be leaving. Mace do you like it or do you not like it? Now I thought the Luca trade was dumb right? This would be if they trade Lamelo that would be dumb on steroids. If you think the Luca Trey was dumb, this is even dumber. Like I don't understand with all the talent that's on that, that that Charlotte team, you can move several other

players. Lamello doesn't have to be the one. And I'm telling you, but I think there's some things that have happened with with Lamello. Now that I think about it I'm switching mid string that happened off the court that they don't like in Charlotte things that have happened with LaMelo is definitely put them on the move I remember a little kid or something carings accident or something you know and just that type of stuff off the off the court would definitely get you traded but talent-wise I told you I put Mello up

there and Trisha told me not to this will be the dumbest trade Charlotte has ever made but this wouldn't be nothing new from Charlotte Sports, right? They're selling tickets for football at 50 cents a seat. And now they do this. It's like wiping away all of the Charlotte Sports. Yeah. Yeah, I would have never thought that they would even consider. I thought about this two ways. I thought they would never consider trading LaMelo since he's a star and he's young and has so much potential and has so much development to even get to the space. He's not had injuries or struggles

like his brothers or anything like that. And I thought that he would be a piece to build around. But I looked at it in another way. And I was wondering that what if ownership, cause they had a bunch of young guys coming in at first, right? And what if ownership says hey man, the culture with these young guys is so crazy I only want to deal with this right and while the mellow is hot Let me go ahead and assemble some other pieces some foundational pieces and build over the next two three four or five years why he has value right and

That's the only way to me that it makes sense because What a rumor like this, you don't even let this get out in the public without you getting in front of it and saying, no, we're not thinking about that. Just think about the fact that it's out here in the swirling and people are talking about it. Like Charlotte should be the ones to be like, no, we ain't thinking about that. Like that's crazy. We're debunking it. In this day of social media and just media in general, people say things immediately. And from being back inside of UConn and being back at Ohio State, you understand these PR

teams look at these social media sites, they look at who put information out, and they're actively aggressively going against false narratives or fighting them. And since this isn't being fought immediately, this makes me wonder, like, this is them putting it out there. And so when I thought about, like, where could could he go and I would like to see him go I only thought of one place and that's because I'm selfish with my guy Stephen Castle and Chris Paul is getting old right so I would love to see him go down to San Antonio I think with the Wimby with the change of environment and

with Chris Paul getting older I would love to see him go down there and learn and grow and pause and be a side of that environment down in San Antonio. So that was the only thing that I could think of that made sense that would make that a super team and like the new team and a new market to watch. You know, we've watched LA for a bunch of years. We watched Golden State. You know, you've watched Miami, but to take the NBA down to that That ok see of San Antonio corridor I just have a different experience or a different feel on what you know NBA stardom feels like I would like to see him go

Down there that was interesting most so you are you who would you trade? They're not gonna give up lamello no just Chris Paul No, so I don't know who is phenomenal. I'm just saying at this point in his career. No, so I don't know who they would trade or who they would give up. I would just say Fox. You give up Fox and and Chris Paul. Yeah, Fox and Chris Paul for LaMelo 1000%. I just because I think I think was and I know what he did. He just have no I'm thinking about somebody else.

I think that just LaMelo down there with Stephen Castle, two young dudes, you have Wimby, and just being in that market and being in that environment and being in the culture of pop, I think that erases all of what you've learned in Charlotte, right? Sometimes, like, you can have all the talent in the world, but to be in an environment

that requires you to be a professional, right? And I'll take a few steps back. I used to have a young dude who came out of UConn, James Booknight, right? He went down to Charlotte, he was a first round pick, but all of these young dudes were the same age. And when he talked about his experience down there, he was like, you know, we all young

and we're learning from each other, so we don't really know how to be professionals because we don't have veteran leadership, right? You get into a different market. You know, Charlotte is the next door neighbor to Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? It's a similar culture, right, on a different level. But you go down to San Antonio,

that's a whole different vibe. That's basketball, that's go home, that's basketball, that's go home, that's basketball, that's go home. And I just think for him, I don't know who you would trade. I don't have the roster, but I would basically go with him. I don't know who you would trade. I don't have, you know, I don't have the roster. But you know, I would basically go with them. For somebody like a LaMelo, it would have to they would have to

trade like a Devin Vassil or Jeremy Sohan, the younger guys who put up a good amount of points because I feel like also like a deer and fuck is like getting a little sticky. What do you mean by get a little sticky stat? I feel like they just made that choice. I feel like by swapping all of them out and then we know Wemby has an injury like he is projected to return. They they just have a lot of little things that they have to work on right now that I feel like by trading lamella there right now. They trade it to get Fox. Could be for that reason.

You're saying to get somebody like a LaMelo? Yes, because he's not there that long and he still has great upside, you know? He's still got great upside. So when you're thinking about LaMelo ball, you would have to give a Fox. There's no way you would keep Fox. If I'm trading LaMelo, I'm getting a fox. There's no way you would keep Fox. If I'm trading Lamello, I'm getting a guard. And if I can get Chris Paul and and Fox that turns that Charlotte team around. Yeah, but I'm thinking about the thing that had me thinking about

him going to San Antonio was this super team is now built. And now we're working into the next phase of the NBA. You know, saying that's where my mom was at like you have Cleveland who's doing their thing and they have a new identity. And I don't even know if you can ever escape LeBron's old identity of what he's done in Ohio, right? I just don't ever think you can get around that

to get the attention that he had. But when you're talking about, okay, seeing what they're doing, a young talent, that's where I was talking about with that. I don't know who you would trade or what pieces that you would move around, but I would just love to see him go there. Like I don't wanna see him go to Golden State and we're trying to hold on to the,

um, to the Steph story. I don't want to see him go with LeBron and we're holding on to that. Like it becomes the same thing. I'm talking about switching up and, um, and starting to hold. Yes. Correct. I think, I think, um, Melo and, and Wimby in a pick and roll would be a nightmare. Yes.

That's a nightmare. Correct. The switch off would be crazy and trying to get around that pick. Either one of them could get a three, either one of them could get a basket. That become an instant, instant classic. That's Kobe and Shaq all over again. Yes. Well, the last question I'm gonna kind of ask you about that,

as far as like confidence wise, because we know that the Hornets is essentially Lamello's team, like it's kind of, they're really based off of Lamello and Myles Burgess together. The Spurs is Wemby's team. Do you think that he could get along well going to a team that wouldn't be his

as far as like just demeaning how he is as a Spurs fan? Yes, yes. And I say yes, emphatically, because before he got to the NBA, that was all, it was. He was always on a team that wasn't his team and still found a way to be great so that's how he got here he got here playing alongside of many superstars over and over when he was in high school it was his brother when he was in you know in Australia was other people he

wasn't even starting on the team so then when he comes to the NBA he's used to playing with people that that are high level people so I think people underestimate him he's he's really one of the ones if he could stay healthy and get in the system like San Antonio I think San Antonio would help him to be a Hall of Famer because they could teach him how to play the game how to win and how to win consistently. I think that franchise have winning and title town written all over it.

So sometimes you get in a different culture, you start coming early, you start learning dietary things that go along with being a champion, that you just don't exercise that on the Pelicans or you don't exercise that, you know what I'm saying? Then you may have exercised it in Miami. No, it's just like that when you're on teams that just don't understand what it takes to win.

You know, sometimes people fight the information when that's the information they actually need. But you made a great point and now to make me think of maybe think of something as he's playing for the Charlotte Hornets He's required to be the guy he's supposed to be number one, but at the end of the day, he's still a kid You know saying yeah, you go down to San Antonio And I think that his talent has him being the guy in Charlotte you go to San Antonio or you go to a different market and you can go ahead and develop yourself and become a professional like you're talking about. Now you're eating, now you're weight training,

now you're getting home early, now you're not worried about all this stuff that's going on off the court or the nightlife and all this other stuff. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying that San Antonio doesn't have a nightlife or anything like that, but you can groom and grow yourself into a professional.

Stephen Castle, he comes from Titidal Town up in Yukon. He's a professional. I'm pretty sure Wimby, when he went overseas, he's a professional. And so, and I talked about this to you on the phone where people sometimes like this instant success thing that the internet brings us when we bring our talents to the market too fast, or they're fast and they're not developed in the background that we miss that we forget that development is still required no matter who you are I don't care if you shoot the show on here you doing this you need to develop and that's the same thing with NBA talents like these guys get the money

they'll get access they'll get the notoriety but the development with you as a human being still has to happen. And I can't stress that enough, but somewhere in society right now we've had skipped that just because you can come to market a lot faster than what you could in the past where you had to be developed to be seen by other people. Yeah, and that's really good because if he starts going to that type of organization, he starts coming to the gym at 12 o'clock versus on his own, he's probably getting around two or three.

I'm not saying I know, but it's things like that. I remember LeBron was going to the gym, or Austin Rivers was trying to beat LeBron to the gym. He said every time he went to the gym, LeBron was already there. He thought he got there early one day. And LeBron was already there he thought he got there early one day and LeBron was already working because great players and people that understand the game they move differently because they understand what's at stake they're not motivated by somebody else's success they're

motivated by what they know they should be yeah well last thing I'll add because I feel like you could very much argue this. I know you said like LaMelo's still a kid, but I do feel like the league does kind of force you to grow up and take that role if you're ready to take that role. Like we look at the Rockets, they're looking like legit contenders and I would still say Jalen Greenlees that team and he's 23. We look at SGA, he's 26, he's leading OKC, they're still in a good situation with the younger core and then we even see like you know like Anthony Edwards, they say like that even though he said that he don't he don't want to be that guy and I get it but I do think that him being younger isn't an excuse. I just think it's kind of where your

head's at and I'm not going to say his head isn't there because I still think that he, Lamela has such a high. That's crazy. I'm just letting you know. Lamela has such- I'm not keeping your record. I'm not keeping the record. That's fine.

Go ahead and keep the record. That's fine. I'm saying that was just crazy. I don't have these moments often. Go ahead and keep the record. That was nuts. Hey, hey, hey, stop. You was cooking, he messed your vibe up. Right, like I was getting somewhere.

I was getting somewhere to just sum it up. Hey, you cooking. He took the... Right. Yeah, you right. Right, like, and let me just say- We gotta grow up, we gotta grow up let me just say- We gotta grow up. We gotta grow up.

We gotta grow up. Yeah, because- We gotta grow up. Let me just say, it's the behavior. He's always on me about something, but the point that I was getting to is I don't think age is an excuse. It is great to have a vet on the team. That's also why I think the Rockets do well, because they have a vet like Van Vliet.

He has Rand Cool. They have somebody to kind of back off of to kind of know what that championship pedigree is. But I don't know if Charlotte is just the best situation. I think they have a lot of internal things to figure out. And I think that he has the potential to lead a team because I think that's what we're expecting from Lamello. Like his ceiling is so high. I just feel like because of the situation he's in we haven't got to fully see that yet. But Spurs is an interesting team. I don't know quite exactly where I would like to see him fit.

Pause. But I think it'll be interesting to kind of see where kind of things go along. So that's my. That's a along. So that's my good text. That's a good text. That's why I don't like playing the game because it's like it messes up great moments like it just did. It messed up a good moment. Just being childish for no reason, you know? That's why I hate playing the game.

I hate playing it. Pause. but I'm here with you guys. I just, you know, just some food for thought, but I wanted to put that out there. Okay, so tonight the Cavs will play the Hornets and obviously speaking of LaMelo Ball, he's averaging 26.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 7 assists per game. Great stats. In this game, Underdog has him at 23 and a half points. Mace, do you have a Mellow higher or lower versus the Cavs? How many points again? 23 and a half.

Of course Mellow is gonna get higher than 23 points. That's almost like an understatement. But you know underdog, they always got some up their sleeves he probably didn't even make the flight if they stand 23 points you gotta watch underdog these days okay and then they got Donovan Mitchell at 32 and a half points rebounds and assists do you have them higher or lower? Points, rebounds and assists. 32 higher. I go high on both. I think it's gonna be a really rocking game because Donovan is gonna have to show up against a great lamello ball.

Okay, make sure y'all download the underdog app and you guys can make your picks too. We're gonna go to break when we return. We're gonna talk about James Harden's 50 point night. Don't go anywhere. That's crazy, his sneakers are crazy. She call this thing about toxic. Four years and counting. Got you feeling like a option.

Maybe I'm on own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't know What's up in it, me won't fall Killing with this thing called trust But she ain't really thinking about it I wanna be free Why am I here this one way? Free Hell, I don't wanna see her walk away I wish somebody told me the rules Disagreements let her win And it's cool, even when I'm right this ain't about you Welcome back, so we're gonna talk about James Harden who put up his first 50-point night with the Clippers

This is his 24th career 50-point game putting him at fourth of all time For the most 50 point 50 point games and he's one 50 point game away from surpassing Kobe Bryant What do you think of this? See these are the stats that only stat baby comes up with confusing the culture. Confusing. Cause you say something like that and then you say he's about to pass Kobe Bryant. What do you mean by that? Why didn't I just say after this he'll be the number one person to have this many 50 point games?

When you say passing the great Kobe Bryant, what are you trying to allude to, stat? I'm just saying for the sake of it. I'm not alluding to anything. It's the fact. When you see Dang, he's one away from passing Kobe, that is a day. Yeah, that is a day. And I'm saying this listeners for stat, because that is the only one that does this. And then it makes me look like I'm against every guy that's in this culture

of today's time, when actually I like James Harden. I like his new sneakers to the red and the black is is is is related to some kind of superhero and They're they don't they're really fire red and black. I'm actually by up here. So James Harden. I'm supporting the cause But what do I think about this 50 game passing Kobe Bryant? I think as almost Not yet. Yes, I think I think as a LA kid. Almost passing Kobe Bryant, not yet. Yes I think I think as a LA kid this is a phenomenal record to break you know looking looking up to Kobe you know every day seeing them on billboards going home watching

games of them to be in LA to do it in LA as an LA native gotta be like a dream come true or even one of those things that happen that you said I never thought I would ever be able to be at this level or to surpass this player that is a great feat so shout out out to James Harden. Shout out to his entire Harden family and all of the Clippers. I pray they get it together at the Clippers. But you know, shout out to James Harden. Hey Maurice. Yeah I know my man Steve, what his name? Steve Ballmer? Steve Ballmer, yeah. Yeah I know he's happy. This is what he wanted. This spectacular performance.

I'm a James Harden fan. I just always liked him just because his style was so different. And I just used to think to myself like that style is so different and he scores so many buckets and I think that's what was the traction with everybody. But just to see him go out there, I don't want to say after all these struggles, but from like kind of being in the background where he used to be in the forefront of the league and the talk of the town and the talk of the conversation, but just to see him go out here and grab 50, maybe just, you may get a resurgence of confidence to basically say, Hey man, I knew who I was.

You know, a lot of guys need that. Sometimes like you just need like a football player. If you're playing, you need to get back in the end zone just to restore your confidence. I'm pretty sure if you're a musician I'm pretty sure there is something in the musician world musicianship that allows you to say hey man You know this kind of gives me my momentum or give my mojo back that builds momentum to go to another level But I'm pretty sure after you go after you score 50. There's no way you go back home and say hey, man I'm gonna go out there and put up 17 you know say you and I'm pretty sure coaches the people the fans all of that that energy becomes infectious and

you want to do it again so I didn't catch it I catch I caught the highlights pause and so hopefully you know I'll pay attention to a little moving forward just to see if I can catch their performance. Excuse me. Go ahead. James Harden is a phenomenal player and he reminds me a lot of a New York guard with all of the dribbling and getting the basket. So it's amazing to see his style of play being a LA guard. But you know, he used to remind me of,

he remind me of not the same thing, but just how they were like super explosive and like aggressive and almost in a way that Baron Davis, like Baron Davis was one of those people who I used to enjoy just, you know, he kept somebody at the top of the key and he explosive he gets to the rack, he gonna dunkle, you know, James wasn't gonna do that, but that same style of like aggressive play to get buckets, you know what I'm saying? Just the mentality.

I like, I do like that about both of them. But the same thing with Russ. And I don't know if that's at LA style, but it's the same thing with Russ when he was at OKC and Russ was going crazy. Just that aggressive get to the rack, you know, like that. Then when he was in Houston,

he developed that crazy step back that he was doing. So, you know, I enjoyed watching his hard play Now we're gonna talk about football so thank you San Francisco says Dibo Dibo Samuel So he left a message for Niners fans on the players Tribune He had a heartfelt message to fans the coaches and the team heartfelt message to fans, the coaches and the team. Maurice, we want you to go first because we first didn't get your initial reaction to Debo actually leaving the 49ers. So what was kind of your thoughts on that and did it come as a shock to you when it actually was finalized?

I wasn't surprised when I seen his performance last year and just how much criticism he was getting, you know, and I just view the criticism that people get and the team not protecting or fighting back. I just view that different now from being back inside of college rooms or being back around teams who are high-profile teams who have major media departments. Anything that somebody doesn't want in the news, the team will fight back, will fight the narrative, will get together and craft stories so a person or a player won't have to deal with it, right? That was one thing.

The second thing is when I've seen Devo Samuel's check out, and this is not to shame him or make him feel bad, when I've seen that he gained weight and he didn't care about gaining weight when he came out there at the end of last year, that is a direct slap in the face to the team because when you go inside an NFL locker room the one thing they do every day is weigh you, put you on that scale and if you're slightly overweight or you're slightly performing not like you used to they'll address it they'll and they'll have their moment but those two indicators them not fighting back in the media him gaining weight not really caring him dropping passes and him not really caring. They knew that they had to move on and so

That's just the nature of it, you know Everybody and Claire said all the time Everybody does not leave on their own terms like all things come to an end all things In before fans want them to in because fans get caught up in the nostalgia of things being a certain way And that was the old situation, you know, this new this new fandom That we have for the Niners was built around him and his ability to play running back and slot and he's explosive And his personality and you know, he was he was he was he was a dynamic player but it's like anything else everybody has to

Conclude if you make time or you make space for who's coming behind you. And so pause. And so that's my thoughts on Divo Samuel. Okay. So Maurice made a point that all things come to an end, even if you don't want to. So I got to ask you all, what was the time when an athlete basically got traded from their original team that you wish you got to see more of them with that first team, Mace? That's a great question, Stat. Now you're starting to do your job. Shot, shot, shot, shot.

Hey Stat, I'm just playing. Hey Stat. Now that was a phenomenal question. I'm just like, um, wow. That's I mean, the question was so good. It kind of, it kind of like startled me a little bit. So that was really good. I had to move back. Pause. Yeah. So who, who got traded that I wish, um, they were still on that team.

I think, um, wow, that's a good one. Shaq, when Shaq left LA, I knew they could have won some more championships if Shaq would have stayed with that team. Remember Shaq got traded to Miami. That's how you got the first championship. If Shaq was, um, Shaq would have stayed with L. A. That would have been a real dynamic thing to see. Who else was that? That will be the one that really comes to my mind that that just was so different. Who was it for you, Mo? Well, Alan Albertson.

And I don't know if it's like some players you just never want to see them in another Jersey or see them in another Jersey looks weird. And when I on AI, I just remember just how hard he was trying to win in Philly. The it looked like he just embodied everything. Philadelphia, the culture, just who he was, his attitude, everything. It was almost like, and I don't know you a little younger, but you just had to be there in that time to just understand what he represented playing for Philly. And so when he got traded to Denver, I was like, man, I just hate to see that this thing

came to an end without him going to get a championship with Larry Brown. Just because there was so much around him and Larry Brown. You know what I mean? Just because there was so much around him and Larry Brown and trying to make it and eventually win the championship. So that was it for me, but in that same spirit, it's kind of like how you see Mike Tyson's career into early, you know what I'm saying? Where you're like, man, when all this stuff happened

with the court case in Indianapolis, you know what I mean? Where you hated something that you really enjoy seeing, you hated to see come to an end earlier than you wanted to see. So that was my, those are just the two thoughts that came to my mind around that question. Yeah, D Wade in Cleveland is another one. Yeah, you know what, we didn't wanna see D Wade in Cleveland.

No, we love D Wade at Miami, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Who else was another one that was like that? So Allen Orbison is definitely one. Shaq was one. D Wade and who else? It was somebody else that got on another team and we were just like, I think, what's his name?

That Love, Kevin Love. I believe in Minnesota. Yeah. He would have had a whole different career. He stayed in Minnesota. I don't think that championship really helped his career that much. I have my little new age answer.

Yeah, go ahead, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Still for me, I'm all for the nostalgia, all for the throwbacks, cool, but like, the trade, like, okay, obvious answer, we still have Luca, that's still, can't believe that happened, would have loved to see what he could have accomplished with the Mavs, it's like Lakers was like woo.

For me, would still shock my mind, and I know he was underperforming I know we wanted more from him I still feel like the clay trade was crazy see Thompson not with the Warriors like and like I told y'all Steph Curry is my goat it's like what happened like and it's not even like everybody got moved like it was clay drive on a step still over there chill. Now they got Jimmy Butler on their hand. And that's another one still mad about Jimmy Butler. But hey, I'll get over it eventually.

But yeah, seeing Clay all the way over there when they could have been together, it got me feeling some type of way like I don't like to see greatness split. So you should write a letter to your goat. You should write a letter to your goat. J. Cole did it. He wrote he wrote a letter to your GOAT. You should write a letter to your GOAT. J. Cole did it. He wrote a letter to Nas. You could write a letter. You should write a letter to Stephen Curry. Why didn't you help Clay Thompson? Are y'all still splash brothers? I mean, yeah, because even just with Clay leaving, I mean, there's going to be the Splash

Brothers forever, but even down in Jordan Pool, clearly we already knew that the only person that could not be moved is Steph Curry, so anything at that point is up for grabs. That's just the reality. But damn. It hurt. They think Daniel was just like, damn, because I'm not'm not gonna lie to you I don't know how long Clegg plans on to keep playing but I feel like The next couple years might have been it. Yeah, Lyskendu's were winning when they were together Lyskendu's was on a tear Yeah, right. It was it was Drake. It was it was who else it was um

J Cole J Cole's staff Lyskendu do was on a tear you know i'm saying yeah and i mean and they still doing their thing jr still do his thing um clay still do his thing but they were dominant this work even erin pierre that's mufasa like Like, they, everybody likes it. I'm with Pierre. So like, I don't know. Everybody else say what they want to say. But, oh yeah. I'm just, I'm just speaking for the people. I'm just saying.

What's that? You, you prefer light skin guys or brown skin? I don't have a preference. I will say right now the whole shade of black. I don't care. Black is black. Black is beauty. I like it all. I don't care black is black black is beauty i like it all i don't care if light skin dark skin brown skin albino you black i don't care all right all right white

that's not black that's what i'm asking you you say you don't care i'm just Any further questions? Any further questions? Any further questions? Any further questions? No. We're moving along. Y'all asked me things so I'm just making sure.

This isn't Ask That right now though. We're not at Ask That. We're making sure we keep an open communication. The communication is open. It's open. For the fans, they want to know the people that do the show. They ask me these things. Specific question.

I didn't hear it. You asked me about different shades of black and I said I like all shades of black. Black is beauty. That's that. Why do we? We don't got to bring up nobody else. And that's fine. I lost. And that's that. Why do we gotta bring up nobody else? That's fine.

And that's fine. Cause that was a question you had asked. Mike Mike said the thing about his baby. It doesn't matter if it's black or white. Michael Jackson. Okay. I'm not under a rock. I'm not under a rock. I'm trying to make sure. Yeah, we're just making sure it's that. Everybody thinks I don't know anything.

I put it, I put Jodeci as my song capture. And everyone's like, what you know about that? I'm like, y'all think I don't know music at all? You know Jodeci's stack? Yes. That's not suburbia. That's like. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't know music at all. You know, that's not suburbia. That's like, I thought you would know like,

I thought you would know. Bye, bye, baby. I know that too, but I know what's good for the soul. Good for the soul. Thank you. Talking about good. Did you have an Nsync CD's to that? I didn't have CDs. Let's start there. I have an iPod. That's how I started listening to music, an iPod. Did you have Nsync on there though?

No. I actually only had one CD ever in life and it was uh, it was Carrie's. Did you have Nsync on there though? No. I actually only had one CD ever in life and it was uh, it was Carrie Hilsen. That was the one CD I've had. Okay, okay, okay Stat. You kinda black. And it was pretty girl rock. That's all I got.

Shout out to Carrie baby baby. Kid, literally. OK. So we're going to go back to football real quick. So a lot of teams are trying to get that money back. Specifically, the Cleveland Browns, they restructured Deshaun Watson's contract, which should give them $36 million. Money, money, money.

So remember, he had his original year, $230 million deal. Maurice, how has this contract affected, how is it going to affect quarterbacks contracts for years to come with all that money? We're seeing the contract being restructured so teams get more cap space. But first let's focus on the positives. How do you think Deshaun Watson's contract will affect future quarterbacks contracts? They taking some of his money back? Yeah. They just restructured the deal.

Yeah. The same with DAC. Like they've been doing a lot of people, CDLAMS. Like they just gotta make that cap space so they can start making some changes. I'm not getting that. So I was getting paid 40 something million and now you're saying I'm getting getting that so so I was getting paid for 40 40 something million and now you saying I'm getting paid 30

No, so I don't know the details of the contract But they may like you know if they owe them more money this year they may say hey You know we'll pay you like since it's guaranteed We'll pay you more during like if you have three years left Let us pay you less this year and pay you more on the back end of the of your last two years left, let us pay you less this year and pay you more on the back end of the last two years. And just put more guaranteed money on the back end so we can get somebody now in free agency with the free cap space to bring them on the team, knowing that we won't resign you again.

And so they basically said like- Yeah, why not get paid more now and less later? Because they want a player now. They're trying to go to hit the free agency market. Yeah, and they got Miles Garrett who's trying to get out of there So they thinking about restructuring his deal probably you have Deshaun Watson eats up a lot of cap space So they said hey man if we can backload your contract or backload your money

Get some other pieces in here to attract other superstars Then maybe we'll be okay. And so that's what they did. But to answer stack question, from a quarterback standpoint, he reset the market and quarterbacks are getting paid, right? So he's allowed or the Cleveland Browns owners have allowed all of these quarterbacks who are getting paid across the league, once they reset it with him, and this became the standard for what you have to pay the quarterback, he's done that. But what you're going to have moving forward is that you're going to have to put more controls on these contracts that basically protect the team, that if a player isn't playing,

that these guarantees may have more controls on where you have to play so many plays or you have to play so many games and so on and so forth. But because like it's unsustainable, nobody's about to, this isn't the NBA, nobody's about to pay you $50 million to send them to the sideline, right? And there'll be a portion of guaranteed money, but business is business. And I know I'm an athlete speaking,

but I'm also a businessman, and you're not about to pay an employee forever who's not performing. And at the end of the day, athletes, they're very expensive employees, but at the nature of it, they're still employees, and they still have to generate money. So I just see them restructuring people's deals and putting more controls and performance

based bonuses on people who have to go out there and play. Now how does this protect the player when you had your mind set on let's say 47 million a year and now you end up getting 36. No, you're still going to get the same type of money. I'm just restructuring how much I'm going to give you year one, two and three. So they're going to still give you the money because the money was guaranteed. They signed a guaranteed contract, but he probably, yeah, he still gets the money. Yeah, but that's not guaranteed if they restructure it

because the restructuring wasn't a part of the deal. The mere fact that they're changing the deal to say, let me give that to you later, means even though you may think it's guaranteed, it may not end up being guaranteed because then they can come back and say, well, you didn't perform this way and now we got the new player that we really like and we're excited about.

And we want to give them more money. And it might lead to a buyout in your third year. It might lead to a, is that possible? That buyout. Yeah. You know, you know what I'll do? I'll cause I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find the details of the contract somewhere, or at least a lot of them.

I'll look through the details of the contract and just kind of break it down my interpretation of what it is they've done but what? No I'm saying what you're saying is a hundred percent right. I'm just looking at a another layer of it. Once a person start changing the contract what stops them from changing it more and making more modifications later? And saying, you know what? And they can't do it. Yeah.

Yeah. We said we was going to give you more in year three, but we don't end up getting a year three. You get what I'm saying? That's what I'm thinking in my mind because I'm thinking of the Russell Willsons. I'm thinking of the people that were in those kind of deals. And then at that point person like well We're gonna pay them to get out of here

And they end up paying them some of the money, but not all of the money And I'm not just saying Russell Wilson But I know other players that they sent them other places and just bought them out But you're making a point you're making my point when he reset the quarterback market and even when Russell Wilson was in Denver, that was a similar situation. Like at the end of the day, you have somebody who owns this thing. And I know the Walton's, the Walmart family owns the Buccaneers, not the Buccaneers, the Denver Broncos.

And so these people are businessmen. I'm not paying nobody $35 million to sit on the sideline, right? I'm not gonna nobody $35 million to sit on the sideline. I'm not gonna pay 70 for you to sit on the sideline. I'll buy you out and I'll pay you a portion of it, but you gotta go ahead and get out of here. So you're 100% correct. And believe you me, when it's time to save 35 million or 50 million, you start to get creative

as to how you can ask for your money back or how to minimize your loss. Especially when you see somebody who's not performing and hasn't performed over the last two or three seasons. Yeah. Let that be a, a jewel to all of your young folks out there. Once they start changing your contract, they're going to get you out of there. No, that's where it's headed. Once you, once they start changing up the contract,

you make sure it is what you need it to be right then and there because the future there is not promised. Correct. But that's also, we always say best ability is availability. And it's like, are we shocked? Are we shocked? Are we shocked? They gotta free up some cap space so they can figure something out in some department because we saw kind of where their season went so...

And they were booing him while he was hurt. They were booing him while he was hurt. Now they're gonna change his contract? This has bad news written all over it yeah they're already in a pretty sticky situation so hopefully next season they can figure it out and then mariso kind of just backtracking to the original question so we talked about how he obviously made well his deal is obviously a very high deal. What are the negative ways that you think it'll affect quarterbacks for years to come?

Uh, I think I explained it just, I'll explain again, just the, uh, just the controls on your contract, right? When somebody wants to give you a contract and they want it to be clean, they just give you the money clean, right? Once somebody starts putting controls, controls being meaning like, um, uh, just things to control when you're going to get your money and certain expectations, that is going to be different for guys moving forward because he hasn't performed. It's the same thing that they're talking about with the NBA. When they say when Joel Embi sits out and he messes up guaranteed money for guys, what Adam Silver is going to do and all these

owners are going to get together and do during the collective bargain, they're going to say, hey, we need more controls on the contract. If you're going to build a house, you have a subcontractor. What do you do to the contractor? You say, hey, you're only going to get paid when you do one, two, three, four, five. And as you go through the stages and as you perform, you get paid. And so most of the times when people work in clean environments, you get your money clean. But the more controls, I always talk about this stat, just remember what I say, the more variables and the more variation, the worse. Like anytime you're in an environment where you have a ton of variables that gets you, that blocks you from

succeeding or that you have to fulfill, like you're in a bad situation and somebody's betting that you won't do what you're performing to do because that's not how people normally deal with each other. When you're dealing with somebody and it's clean, it's clean. There's not a lot of controls put in place. And that's how he's going. That's how he has affected the quarterback market. And that's going to negatively, in fact, people impact people who don't basically get out there on the field. And when you say controls you mean stipulations right? Stipulations correct. Yeah not just controls because people

are listening at well if it has any control most said it's a not good vibe. stipulation yes going mad max out here clarification well that's all the time that we have for today marice always a pleasure to have you on the show you know in the show may 25th i forgot yeah now wait wait wait now do y'all think the trial will overshadow the music? Or is that a good day? Hey, you see he putting controls in the release. They stat. This is it. He stat.

Remember I told you, watch this as soon as the variation. When they put the variation. We'll be staying tuned all the way till May 25th and beyond. But yeah thank y'all for watching and as always it is what it is.