IT IS WHAT IT IS - SHEDEUR SANDERS & KILLA CAN SAVE THE BENGALS, WINNERS VS. LOSERS MINDSET & WNBA COMMISSIONER IS WILDIN'

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

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It's a bangle color song. I figured you thought you had something up yesterday. Listen, man, I'm going to be totally honest with you, man. I didn't feel good about what I did yesterday, man. You didn't? Oh, man, I felt whack, man. You know, Stad, I watched the video. Statt was disappointed in me.

I was. Yeah. I was disappointed in. The switch show was crazy for you. Yeah, man, because I don't, yeah, for me. You said, you'll come around one of these days. I understand. You're already there, but I just felt really, really bad, man.

So as much, and listen, DJ drama, listen, mad people were like, Ken, welcome. Welcome, about time, you know, dipset, bird, read a bird, the eagle. I say, yeah, but I felt bad, man. And to be totally honest with you, I told you I had a backup plan for the army, for the Bengals, man. Yeah. And I'm going to get them on the right track, man. That's what I'm going to do.

So, Nick, let's go to the video real quick. This is what I got lined up for the Bengals right here. Yeah, Killer got to stop. Yeah. Why is he throwing his tip out like that? Stack Press guard, niggins. I'm being there Friday, man. Yeah.

Why is he moving his hip like that? Yeah, Mo, you see. Your back foot wasn't planning. I ain't want to show all my footage, man. Jamar Chase, I'm on the way, y'all, here you're going to way, man. I'm telling you, man. See with me, it's the door, I got us, man. We're going to be a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-old, man.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, man. That was a good one. Why was you throwing your hip-out like that? I don't know if y'all watch out. I was just about to say Dak Prescott actually got that for me. If y'all love his show, see Dak Prescott warm up. He's seen old footage of what I used to do when I was playing during high school.

There's a couple VHS tapes out there, me, man. I'm back home, y'all. I'm going to go down with the ship, man. So you used to play quarterback. I played a few different positions, pause. Running back quarterback receiver. If we had a decent quarterback, I want to play receiver. If we didn't have a decent quarterback and play quarterback.

If I got through it to myself, I would have. Are we good with the tape? How are you feeling about it? I'm all four. He's back home in Ohio. I'm all four. Yeah, thank you, Moe, man. I appreciate that, man.

Good seeing you, man. Matter of fact, we didn't even give more proper interjection today. Welcome back to the show. It's good seeing you, man. Yeah. That Ohio State Red tie on. I see what's going on, baby. How you doing?

All as well. Consistent with the suits this season. Real consistent, man. Looking good and sharp, man. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I will say real quick, Papa Statt was not happy about the switch up either. He was like, really?

We don't do that over here. Yeah, yeah. He was mad. I'm like, what? Well, listen. Yeah, there was a lot of people offended. Yeah, I felt bad about it myself. That's most importantly.

But what I will say is this to Papa Statt and Statt, and I don't know if Mama's Statt, if that's our team or not. There's a lot of switching up y'all do within the organization. Not necessarily teams, y'all get mad at coaches, quarterbacks aren't tall enough, y'all don't underappreciate players. I'm not going to say y'all leave the organization, but the betrayal within the organization is wild Papa Statt. And stat, for that matter.

Yeah, and I have to agree, Papist, that you guys do a lot of this. And it's flowing down to your offspring right now. Family can criticize family. That's okay because at the end of the day, we go right back to family. That's just how it goes. You can't say that don't happen. It happens all the time. All right.

But like Cam said, Maurice, glad to have you back on the show. We're going to actually start with the Browns. So they're expected to bench Joe Flacco and start rookie Dylan Gabriel moving forward. beginning with Sunday's overseas game against Minnesota. So, Maurice, how do you see this going? Well, I got two things to say about it. One, I'm happier that they get closer to at least consider and putting Shador in the game. You know, you got to put Dylan Gabriel in there to see what he has.

You know, they obviously drafted him before him, even though, you know, everybody thought that Shador should have been the guy to go early in the draft. But, you know, it is what it is, no pun intended. it, but I think that they were actually waiting for Joe Flacco to get through the gauntletters of their schedule. You can pull the schedule up and to see who they played in the first four games. I was thinking about this earlier in the week, but I seen it. And I think that they didn't want to shake the young guys' confidence, either Dylan Gabriel

or Shador. But I think that you're getting closer to just see a Shador, and you have to let things play out with Dylan Gabriel. And hopefully he does, you know, decent, but, you know, all in all, I want to see Shador, you know, get out there and, you know, bring all the city out and bring the fans out and so and so forth. And so I'm happy for it, you know, because we get closer to see my man, Shador Sanders.

Yeah, I think we all will have similar takes on this one right here. I think no matter what's going on right now, this is what happens when you try to avoid the inevitable. Everybody knows that when it's all said and done, Shador is going to end up the quarterback of this Browns team. And not only is he going to be the quarterback of this Browns team, I think the way all of this has been set up more is for Shadour to have a phenomenal career. I think this was perfect.

This was the perfect storm to put his back against the wall for that sander name to come out of him, and for him to have a hell of a career. I mean, I think he's going to have a great, great career. And I think these are all of the things that was necessary to pull out the intangibles that he have and to cause him to be focused and to be hungrier than ever. when he gets his shot, it's just going to be no looking back. And I want to be on record of saying that, because I'm going to be the first one that said,

I don't need everybody else to jump on the bandwagon and say, man, I knew that was going to happen. No, sometime you have to put the back against the wall and do everything possible, but the cream always rise to the top paws. Well, we don't have similar tastes because that's absolutely not my take. I think that personally,

that Joe Flacco is going to, still be the number two. I don't know this for a fact. Murder and Maurice could be on the percent right. This is my personal thing. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just, like I said, I'm not. I do. You know, I haven't known the first two weeks.

I'm just saying, oh, what the Chiefs were going to do. But what I was going to, the reason I'm saying this is this, is that I believe that Joe Flacco, because I'm a Joe Flacco fan, I don't think that the league, or not the league, teams specifically think that he should be starting. It's just a scenario that they would. were in this season with the quarterback scenario. I think that they think he's a great backup quarterback.

Two years ago, he was Deshaun Watson's backup. Did great. Last year, he was a backup at Indianapolis. He just so happened to fall into the starting spot this year with the Cleveland Browns. And I think that they will put him back in number two before they put Shador at number two. That's just my opinion. You know, it isn't like it isn't a single foul line when one goes, then two goes, then three goes.

He could be, Joe Flacco could be very well back to number two and keep Shador at three. So that's what I think is going to happen. We'll see how Gabriel does and what that means for the rounds. But my personal suggestion is this. If I cannot save the Cincinnati Bengals, Shador can. I think Shador should come over to the Cincinnati Bengals. That's just my personal opinion.

One of my niggas actually talked to me about it in the control, where I don't know if it's Jory Isaiah. one of the other, they was telling me yesterday and I'm like, you know what, that makes all the sense in the world. We don't got shit to lose. We have nothing to lose. Browning is stinking it up. We don't even know who the fuck back

in Browning up. Joe Burrow is not coming back to a minimum of December. If that, Chador is ready now. Cincinnati is ready now. We don't have to wait to see what Gabriel does. We don't have to play the mind games and see if Joe Flack

goes to number two, quarterback, and the number three. make the deal get it done get them near the week after next that's what I'm hoping let me ask you a question yes sir yeah so what do you think that like

do you think Cleveland really wants to put up with the noise all year of not even giving him a shot if Dylan Gabriel goes out there and struggle the thing about it is Cleveland they look more this is your team y'all come to games with paper bags

over your head y'all are not used to greatness? Y'all, how are you still winning? Y'all come there with me. The fair's literally murder. I'm not exaggerating.

We're brown bags. I'm lying over their head. That's what they do. So I don't think the organization is really saying put out with the noise of not hands to do a play.

Y'all been dealing with a bunch of bullshit forever. I think that what you're saying and murder is saying should be correct. I'm not disagree. on principle of, my principle that Shador should be next.

I'm just saying the history of the organization, that's insane. Shado is next. Let's just get him down the road to Cincinnati where he could possibly play the week after next. Jamar Chasing and Higgins, they're going to fuck these boys' numbers up. Did you see the frustration on Jamar Chase's face yesterday, I don't know if you've seen the game

or not the day before yesterday part of me? Listen, man, these. players have guaranteed contracts for a certain amount, so I'm just using round numbers. If you got a $150 million guarantee, a $150 million contract, and $100 million is guaranteed, and $50 million

is based off incentives murder, and part of the incentives is you got to score, get 90 yards per game to get a bonus, an eight million dollars. You got to have seven catches every two games to get a bonus or so and so amount of dollars. These

niggas know they're not getting that. Not with Browning? Yo, you fucking the bonus money up. How niggas get their bonus money, man? I can't stick up for you, Browning no more. Listen, hopefully things are changed. But as far as to answer your question, Moe, what do we expect from the Rams?

Like you said, I did what you're saying? Like, yo, that's fucked up. You're not putting shit doing. You're not doing that? Yo, bro, that went on all preseason. It was hysteria when they moved them to third. string. You know what I'm saying? Because he had a couple good preseason games and then even

they pulled him out of one of the preseason games for the last one. Right. And he was upset. He's like, yo, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? So I'm just saying he could walk right into a situation that's ready now. Right now, there's nothing to lose at this point.

Now, Cleveland, we got to wait to this Gabriel's shit happened. We don't know if Joe Flocker's going to be number two. To you on murder's point, he could be next, which I'm saying that what I'm saying is that y'all are incorrect but we just don't know with the Cleveland Browns

organization. Think about this, right? Who's you guys while receivers with the Cleveland Browns, Mo? Who are they? Yeah. Listen, man, I don't know. Look at this. Look at this. This is your team, Mo.

Look at this. This is crazy, Mo. Listen, that's an even better answer. I could have tried something crazy. Listen, no, Mo, I like that. I love that answer, because that's your team and you don't know. Now, think about that, right? And think about walking in Cincinnati with Jamar Chase on the left.

And T. Higgins on the right. What? He can't, even if he can't lose. But where does this put you at, Cam? What could be are you if your door comes? I'll be QB2 if he don't come. I don't mind being QB2. Yeah, I'm QB2.

I'm doing some QB2. I'm just going to case in case they don't make it happen. In case they don't make it happen. Browning is after me post. At this point, yeah. Okay, so we've had a constant conversation about whether teams are legit or not, whether the first couple weeks matter. So I kind of want to put this to the test,

and we can compare earlier on as the weeks go by, by looking at the first place teams in their division right now, and I want you guys to tell me if you think they're legit or not, and we'll be able to track that as we get closer to the end of the season. So let's start with the AFC East, Maurice. The bills, do you think they're legit or not? Legit.

Hmm. Hmm. Cool. I don't, not just in the division, I think right now, the bills are the best team in the ASC. Okay. NFC East, we got the Eagles, Maurice.

And the same legit. Who did you say? The Eagles. yeah they're legit and the reason I said the bills is because they always get right there you know it's just history

like killer was talking about the Browns yeah the question was right right now this week I know yeah yeah now week four I have to agree the Eagles yes absolutely

okay the AFC US the Chargers Murray's No, I'm not a believer. No, the second place team is the best team. I like the charges. I'm going to say believer. Okay. NFC. West, we got the 49ers.

No, I don't believe the 49ers right now. Absolutely not. That's a tough one. The reason why I'm saying that's tough is because I'm looking at the division. I don't believe in the Seattle Seahawks. I don't know if I necessarily believe in the Los Angeles Rams. I don't believe in Arizona Cardinals. We had talked about their history.

So if I'm thinking from a division standpoint, I'm going to say I'm believers because I believe that they can win that division and make it to the playoffs. Okay. That's fair. AFC North, you know, we got the Steelers, Maurice. Stad.

Reluctantly, yes. I actually believe my man Aaron Rogers this year. Yeah, I definitely. I definitely believe that. I think this may be the best chance that the Steelers had in a very long time. So I'm going to go yes.

Hell no. Baltimore's just still catch them, niggas. And if I step into play Shador, we definitely catching them niggas. Mike Tomlin, 500. That's the successful season we're waiting on

for the Steelers again. Nah, fuck that. Nah, I don't believe in them, niggas. It's just you and Shador versus everybody. You just put yourself into the strange. He's like, Ms. Stark, yeah.

Like, what? No, what I'm saying is I said that. But what I said is, I didn't use, I didn't put this a phrase. I said that I believe the Ravens could catch them. But that's predicated on if Lamar Jackson is not too hurt. Right. Okay. NFC North, the Lions, Maurice.

Oh, I'm a believer. I'll say this. This is my bowl. I think they go to the Super Bowl this year. Yeah, I think this is the year they figured out. I'm definitely going to go with the Lions. Yes, I believe in the Lions. Okay.

AFC South, the Colts? No. No. Daniel Jones can back it up. No, we're not going with that. It's an easy division, but, yeah, I'm going to go with them. It's an easy division, a real easy division. That's what I'm looking at the division.

If we're looking from a division standpoint, I'm the only reason I'm going to say no is because is still week four and they can hit a lance a slide and we don't know if Houston may get it together in the up and coming weeks we're looking at week four

look think about this we didn't expect it Indianapolis to be at the head of the division with Jacksonville actually tied for the first place in the division with Houston and one in three I think all these teams in the division are unpredictable the only reason I'm going to go know is because

I don't know exactly who that put faith in. We tried to put faith in Strout. It doesn't look that good. He had a bad sophomore season. Rookie season phenomenal. His junior year, which is now, it doesn't look really good. Trevor Lawrence, they cut him a big check.

He's heard a lot and don't produce a lot. Maybe this is his breakout year start off at 3-1. And Daniel Jones as well, you know, coming from the situation in New York, you know, they took a loss last week, but I think they're a solid team. think the division is just too unpredictable that's the only reason i'm going to say no okay and then lastly the nfc south we got the bucks maris no i don't believe in baker i actually believe in baker i think i'm gonna go yes i'm gonna agree with mace on this like so we're going division by division uh alana falcons neffley not believing californa panthers and then think about this the new

Orleans saints have a worst record than the carolina panthers which is which is crazy you know carolina panthers i think the chis was going for 49 cent last seat 409 cents and a free hot dog to come with a seat some shit like that um so we absolutely this is a division where teams don't finish 500 and still make it to the playoffs. Now, back to actually Tampa Bay Bunkaneers, you think about Baker Mayfield. Mo may have personal feelings about him because he didn't do what he need to do

when he played for the Cleveland Browns, and that may have left a bad taste pause in Mo's mouth. But I think that where he's at, he's finally found the home. You know, him going to the Rams for a minute and then finally settling down in Tampa. He has a good core team there. Yeah, and then, you know,

you just get Chris Godwin back. He's been out for the beginning of the season. And Mike Evans wasn't playing. I think when Chris Gottwin gets in motion fully and back to full strength and you get Mike Evans, I think that you're really, really going to have a solid Tampa Bay Buccaneer team. And what I was going to say is that I believe they're going to be in the final four when it comes to the NFC. My final four for the NFC is the Eagles, the Lions, Tampa Bay. and I'm going to have to put Green Bay in there,

even though people to say, what about the commanders? I'm just feeling like Tampa Bay will slide in that spot along with Green Bay and leave the commanders on the outside of Final Four looking at. But I do believe in Tampa Bay. Okay. So you guys are like half and half on the bucks, and some people still feel like the bucks are losers,

even though some people feel like they are winners. So be it with teams, entertainers, or people in general, Maurice is going to let you go first? What are winning versus loser habits that help characterize how basically like a team will be or what will happen to them. Like, what do you think separates winners versus losers? Yeah, excuse me, my fault.

One, I'm going to say two things to this. I was like, I was saying her, her, Cam's last take, and I was like, this motherfucker getting good at this. One thing, right? Welcome, baby. That's when the big bucks start kicking it. So I was like, okay. Yeah, man.

I was like, I got to give me an iPad and start sourcing my information, man. But yeah, man. Listen, more, thank you. I appreciate this. Because, you know, at the end of the day, I got to, I sit with this, nigga. I don't know.

You got to come in prepared. You got to be prepared. Not just with sports. You have no idea what's going to be thrown pours your way. So I try to come in prepared. But thank you for that compliment, that more, I appreciate that.

Nah, as I was listening to it, I was like, this, like, as, it makes me want to, you know, have an exchange and, you know, it just makes you want to get better. And just to let you know, Mo, look, man, Mo, it ain't on, man. It ain't, it ain't, it ain't even, it ain't on, man. It ain't on, man. It ain't on, man. It's just for show, man. It's just for show.

man. Yeah. Hey, my bad, most. It's all good. No, but when I prepared the question, I was asking how did you frame the question because I want to answer the question that you asked.

Yeah, basically, so what I was alluding it to is how you were like, nah, I don't believe in Tampa Bay. And some people are like, yeah, we do. Because people are like, we don't trust Baker Mayfield, even though some people do. So in your opinion, what helps... characterize winners versus losers like why is Tampa Bay a winner to some people but a loser to some people and I wanted to know what your opinion on that would be yeah in regards to Tampa Bay and my context was just thinking about the whole like when you when you said it for real team my mind was like saying does this team has the have the ability to go to the Super Bowl or does this team have the ability to go deep in the playoffs and I was viewing it through that lens and I just was viewing it through Baker Mayfield I was like I don't think Baker Mayfield has has this team have the ability to go to the playoffs and I was viewing it through Baker Mayfield I was like I don't think Baker Mayfield has what it takes to do what Tom Brady did with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers probably what

three or four years ago when he took him to the Super Bowl and won with them but in regards to loser characteristics I wouldn't call Baker Mayfield and in the organization losers per se but that's how I characterize me as giving my opinion on that I believe in them as a legitimate contender for the Super Bowl maybe I just had the wrong context for it yeah that was a good one When I think of this Buccaneer team, the thing, there's three things that come to mind that makes a team, a winning team and separate them from being a loser team. The first thing is the character of the team. Like when you think of who people are as people, like what do they become when things go wrong? That's the first thing I look at, no matter what sport, but I know we're talking about football is who do people become when things go wrong?

That's the first thing. And then the second thing that I look at is that how much is this a collective effort? And on all championship teams, right? There's people that always show up that nobody expected. I know we depend, they don't depend on one person when it's a championship team. Those will be like the two things that jump out to me the most. Number one is who do people become when things go wrong? The second thing is how much dependency do they have on one particular player?

because we know in football anybody could get hurt and anything could happen. And the third thing that I focus on is how you play away from home. How do you play away from home? Says a lot about who the team is. And right now, Tampa Bay is 2 and O. So that's what made me say yes.

Yeah, as far as me, look, I can't define that. I'm not going to answer that question the way you guys answered the question. because for me, football is the ultimate team sport. Basketball is a team sport, but basketball is a little more if you and your men get on the same page, like, yo, these niggas bugging. You know what we got to do, Scotty, if you might.

Yo, Shaq, you know what we got to do if you, Kobe. You know, you know, if you're Paul Pierce, your KD, right. These niggins, we can do it. Football is just so much that needs to go right with 53 players. Mo, you've played football at the highest level. and you sit there imagine you're and I'm just giving a scenario

you're a running back and you just wash up the field with your offense 90 yards for a touchdown and then the other team gets the ball and scores a touchdown in two plays

you know 2 30 40 yard your plays you're like yo what the fuck my nigga now you mad at the defense because y'all are pounding pound and pound and pound and pause to get up the

field and these niggas let these niggas score in two minutes and ten seconds now you're back on the field trying to get up the field it's a lot that has to go right in football you know OJ used to say this when he's on the show God bless today you sit there and watch

some of OJ Simpson's statistics and because of what he went through off the field they tried to bury a lot of his football statistics which were just fucking ridiculous OJ used to have more yards half the season than the quarterback which was phenomenal OJ's

the only person who scored 2,000 yards as a running back in 14 games, because that's how many games were during the season. So when you look at these stats and you're saying, okay, Buffalo, OJ's never been to a Super Bowl, OJ's team never won more than seven, eight games. Does that not make OJ Simpson a winner? No, it's 52 other niggas that have to be on the same page. Now, we're going to relate it to team. What I would say is this.

You have to have a guy or a couple guys that's leader of men. to rally the troops up, to say, look, Miguel, I need you tonight. Pause. I need you to get on the safe. I need you to make a stop. I need you to get a three and out so we can get back on the field and win this game. If you can rally your troops, whoever it's a coach, whether it's a player, and get everybody on the same accord, that's what I think one is about. Because sometimes you may not be the best player, but you're that emotional leader to rally the team to get where they need that emotional edge, even if they're not physically as good as other team.

time it's mental games that you play in sports as well. But I would answer that whoever could rally their team to be the leader of men and then get that same championship mentality that they have with other players, that's what I credited to. So Maris is what I think you're asking. Let's actually take it away from teams and put it in perspective of people and entertainers. What do you guys think are winner versus loser habits? Maurice first.

Yeah, I was, and I'll say this in full context. I just think about just the businesses I run every day did I go to a house state on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I'll be with, you know, the coach, just stuff I've been around. But like the glaring difference between winners and losers is just like people who either want or avoid responsibility. Like that's the one. I'll say that just people who are typically losers in life or people who are typically don't excel in something, these people just. just avoid responsibility, which obviously avoids accountability from their behavior. And you can, you can damn there take that into anything. And people who typically win a lot are people that you don't typically have to tell everything to do.

You know, just people that you can give them half of the idea, and they're going to execute or contribute or something in that fashion. And I can sit there and look at it in business. I can sit there and look at it in life. But it was just my curiosity, just asking them to from being around business, entertainment and just all of the life that they've experienced, was this. something that they say that they've experienced and literally i get these questions from people sending me direct messages and asking me these questions and you know essentially bringing them on to the show but those are just my two tidbits and this was wondering you know what have they experienced during their journey yeah i i think there's so many things when it comes to this when it comes to entertainment

but there's two things that jump jump out to me when we're having this conversation the first thing is that what I could think about is that people don't expect things to be hard. When people don't expect things to be hard, they expect everything to go smooth. That'll put you in a position where you fail a lot because you almost got a plan for things to go wrong. I think the people that do very well in life, they have a plan for if things go wrong. I remember growing up that used to always say, you're playing basketball, but do you have a plan B? you're going to college for this but do you have a plan B

and I used to always be like man I don't need no plan B my plan A is the plan B and look at us now we're not doing anything that we went to school for most people are not so I think that's a major one

and I don't think about another one as Camgo yeah that's a great answer Mace like a lot of people like you said we've kind of been you know music led to all the other outlets that we do outside of music but we've been doing music since single-digit numbers.

Yeah. I'm talking about 8, 9 years old, 10, 11, 12, 13 through high school. To me, even though May said it isn't a plan B, to me music was a plan B. I want to play basketball. You know what I'm saying? So I would definitely say music was a plan B, even though to me it was kind of a hobby, because who knew it would be realistic and that,

but it isn't like we just started at 19 doing music. Like, yo, basketball ain't worked out. Let's be rappers now. Now, we was going to studio and shit like that while we were still in high school. But what I will say is this, it's definitely preparation, practice, and focus on your skill set. When a lot of people see LeBron James, just use an example, hit a buzzer beater or stuff curry, they didn't practice that yesterday. We didn't practicing that for 30 years of their life.

This is what they were practicing the gym. three, two, at seven, eight, nine, ten years old, they put their self in that moment. But a lot of it is something that I talked about as well. On last season, a couple seasons ago, is opportunity as well. I'll give you a great example. As much as people, you know,

and as much of people appreciate the music that I've done and the records that I sold and everything else, I have to have the right opportunity to do that. You know, I told the stories, two stories I'm telling them one now. Mace ended up getting a real deal with Bad Boy and I was trying to rush and keep up with him and I signed to this company called Freeze Records

didn't know what the hell to do. Now imagine I wouldn't have been able to get out that deal at Freeze Records and I was signed for Freez Records today. Nobody would have probably heard of me or ever knew that I was able to rap or I would have just been Mace Little Man forever and then he wasn't even rapping no more. So at the end of the day, if you don't have the opportunity

to which a lot of people don't, it's mad, talented people out there, They're not just entertainers in any field that don't get the opportunity to showcase their talent. It's just a messed up situation. It's about when you get that opportunity saying all the stuff that I did leading up to this day and this moment, I'm going to take advantage of and then, pardon me, lean up to that moment, take advantage of. You got a, it used to be a cartoon where, you know, I'm showing my age right here, but it used to be a frog that could sing.

and he would have a show and then when they left the curtains up, he can't sing. You know what I'm talking? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Born a bro and shit. And you're like, yo, this motherfucker's nice when nobody's looking.

And then when niggas is looking, he can't perform. You got a lot of that too. You got, think about this, right? Yeah, there's a lot of that. Yeah, think about this, right? And I'm not saying the stars and everything else don't got that line or whatever the fuck.

Browning, I'm just going to back to Cleveland, and no pun intended because it's my team. This is a nigger that's second string quarterback in NFL. There's no reason that he should be playing the way you're playing. You have an opportunity that somebody like Shador would love to have. You cannot take advantage of not taking advantage of not having these opportunities. These opportunities don't come around. I was arguing with Sin City two days ago because he's saying,

yo, how many nice quarterbacks you think is coming out of college around the world? I said, if not hundreds, thousands, it may be into tens of thousands. It's 30 starting jobs in the NFL. It's only 30 spots. So I was being nice saying hundreds, thousands of quarterbacks fighting for 30 spots. Same thing they'll tell you about the NBA. Tens of millions now people playing basketball. It's only 480 spots in the NBA, but it's tens of millions.

If you get that opportunity, you have to take advantage of the opportunity because there's somebody else who wants that spot. And that's just dealing with preparation. If you asked me more, that's my opinion. Well, I'll say one thing to kind of add on to what you're talking about. I know you were talking about there's a confidence or an energy that players give off to other people. And you have people who play for a house state right now that there's better players who sit on the bench, than other players, but you'll see somebody who has a confidence or they do something for other

players that you can't quantify or measure on the field. And just because that player gives other players, you know, either confidence or focus or just some sort of mentality that you need to play football, those people are playing. And I'm not sure that, I'm not sure what you call it, but I can probably think of like three or four players right now who have better backups than them, but that other intangible things you're talking about, the confidence and the mentality that stuff takes you just as far as all the other stuff. Listen, man, let me tell you something real quick, right? And I'm not going to use names.

I'm just not. It's niggas who, and I'm using music for this example, you got some of the best lyricists. I'm talking about a nigger lyricist. I'm trying to think of an example of like the best niggas with the best lyricists in the world talking about, God damn, this nigga, round this with this with that.

And then rhyme that and then brought it back on a double entendre and then compounded a word. You mean, it's a lyricist. You're just like this. Like, God damn. Then you got a nigga like Max Bean and come through like, with that, baby. Did you see this head, man?

I look good. I smell good. I taste good. Yeah, baby. You want, you attract. Yo, this nigga's selling it right here. You got this nigga spinning all these balls rapping his heart out.

And this nigga Diddy Bob. With the waves and the talk, and he'd say, nigga, I'm a loo, baby. It's big a loo. Pause, you know what I'm saying? You get, you're more attracted to that in the audience because he's selling that. And you've got to understand that.

And that's just an example when you're saying, nigger, we're selling things here. This isn't personal. We're trying to sell what I, what you bring to the table at Max B. I'm just using him as an example because he's one of the best talkers off of music. ever and that counts these days like you know it was a time where you didn't really know people's personality because you didn't have social media

Yeah, or they didn't have access to media until somebody wanted to interview them You got to think about this when you came out you had to wait for the vibe of the source of somebody to do I interview with you and that's not even video you got to read what a nigger wrote about what you said So therefore you're not really necessarily getting it and then if you do end up luckily getting on a rap city or 106 in part you got to take that personality for the four, five, six minutes you get on that show. Nowadays, you can sit there and announce what you want to announce on your phone and because you're popping on social media or the internet. Now these other outlets that want to not give you the time of day before,

they need you because you figure out a lane for yourself. I think that plays a part into it as well. Well, we're going to go to break. WMBA players are calling out their commissioner. Don't go anywhere. She called her She called this thing about it's toxic Poor isn't counting

Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem big She's tired of hearing and I don't know What's stubborn in me won't fall Oh oh Dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinking about She want to be free

Why am I in this woman She wanted to be free Hell, I don't want to see her walk away I wish somebody told me the rules Disagreements let her win And it's cool Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day.

On Thursday, the 49ers will play the Rams. Underdog has Devonte Adams at 54.5 receiving yards. Do you have them higher, lower mace? That's an interesting one. I'm going to go higher. Yeah, I'm going to hire as well. Okay, Pooka Naku is at 96.5 receiving yards. You have him higher.

Pooke. A nigger, Pooke. Coming off 170. I'm going to hire, Pook. I think of Pooke, we're going to hire with Pook, man. Let me see. Lower. Okay, and Brock Purdy's at 237 and a half passing yards.

You have higher, lower, Mason. Lower. No higher. Okay. Make sure you all download the underdog app and you can make your picks too. So WMBA's got a lot going on right now. And a lot of the story is still unfolding. But basically, Linkstar, Nefiza Collier,

blasted the WMBA Commissioner Kathy Englebert in her exit interview with a four-minute speech stating that they have the worst leadership in the world. So it is a long speech, but I'm just going to go over some of the quotes that she said came from their commissioner. The commissioner apparently told her, Caitlin Clark should be grateful she makes $16 million off the court because without the platform, the WMBA gives her she wouldn't be making anything. She also said in that same conversation, she told her players should be on their knees

thinking their lucky stars for the media rights deal that she got them. So before we can kind of dive more and just to like issues the WMB players are having. And that is from the commissioner? Yes. That was a private conversation. Nefizo went during her extra interview

when they didn't make it on to the semifinals and basically said everything that she needed to say because she's advocating for change. So hearing those statements based off of what Fee said, Maurice, what do you think? Hold on real quick, just so I'm clear. Yeah. Yeah.

Though what chooses Ray is from the commissioner. No, that's from the player. Okay. So she called out the commissioner and said private, basically, conversations that they had out loud to the public in her exit interview. Just so I'm clear, and she's nice. She's called as done nice. Yeah. She repeated what the commissioner said.

Yeah. She's saying the commissioner told her that. Got you. Okay. That's what I was doing. And she blasted it on her exit interview because she's been advocating for change. So Maris, just hearing those statements from the commissioner and I'll say alleged because Fee said that, what do you think of those statements that were said?

So when you sent the topic over to research and I'll just start researching the commissioner and just old interviews and I can see how people have come to that opinion on a lady. But when you talk about just like an old school mentality and something that doesn't feel like it fits the brand of women who you have when the when the league is trying to change when she talks about just the women in such a resentful way and it's almost it almost seems like to me that she talks about like just in a very resentful way that the people with the Caitlin Clarks, the Angel Reese's, the Asia Wilson's and all these people should be so happy and joyful that all the things that she's created are other people the other people have created

should be happy for but I was happy I was happy that day at least called her out and that brings some level of accountability or if forces her to change or at least the conversation that's been being done in private now you have more people confronting you about the things that you have to do to basically show that you're advanced in the league I was surprised that she said that about Caitlin Clark too you know Caitlin Clark being a white woman and her being a white woman excuse me I didn't think that she would um you know have those you know disparaging remarks about Caitlin, but it was surprised to me, but I'm happy that it's a conversation

I was brought to the forefront. I'm happy where women's basketball is at least at and everybody's talking about it. But it was surprising to me once you go and look at the other interviews of her, how they frame her and the stuff that you hear from her, but I'm just happy it came to the forefront.

Yeah, I think this is typical how some people think, you know, realistically. I think this is a chip off the old block as they used to say this is the this is that that same mentality that has hovered over sports that hovered over the NFL the NBA not more so the NBA but a lot of the NFL the good old boys now we got to say the good old girls we got to call it now the good old girls like that's that

mindset that I'm doing you a favor no matter how good you are no matter how great you are no matter what you're bringing to my business, it is still my business. No, that mindset has to change. It has to change. I wouldn't be surprised. And I know sometimes people think I might jump the gun, but I wouldn't be surprised if they get out of here. I think that mindset is erroneous. I think it's not a place for that in WMBA, especially when you're trying to go to new heights. You're trying to bring in new sponsors and all of those type of things. And to say that about the premier player that's really bringing all of this interest to the game is just like, it's backwards. You're shooting yourself in the foot for a lack of better words.

And, you know, God bless her family and everything like that. But that got to go. That got to go today, not tomorrow, today. Because when you think about all the innovation that's coming to this sport of the WMBA and where it could potentially go, we finally seeing some like real growth. in this sport. Remember, for a long time, people were not checking the games out. I mean, we would go to, not we, I mean, people would go to the Atlanta Dream games,

and it would just be a bunch of just regular people, not regular, but just, it wasn't special. Now they're getting to the place where they're getting on jets, they're getting other opportunities, and when you got that kind of growth being infused into a product such as the WMBA, you can't have the one at the helm blocking all of the great resources from coming in. If I was Caitlin Clark, I'd say suck my click. Period. Straight like that.

I was making $3.1 million a year in college. Fuck is we talking about. He's like, yo, don't act like you doing me a favor. First of all, Ice Cube and them offered me $5 million for 10 weeks. I told them no, then they came back for $15 million. Fuck, you mean what I would have been doing? I would have grabbed that and waited until next year. I'm trying to bring awareness to women's basketball taking a wild pay cut.

When you think about, let's just say, $5 million for 10 weeks and her pay is what, $250,000? $78,000 times four, right. So you're sitting there, I don't even know what number that is. What kind of markup is that murder? 9,000 percent? Yeah, she's up there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like some 9,000 percent.

What the fuck is there? Like $78,000 for a whole NBA season or $15 million for 10 weeks? The fuck is the commissioner talking about? What year you think this is? I was making $3.1 in college. I got a $28 million deal with Nike. Watch your mouth.

Watch your mouth. Secondly, I don't know this for a fact because I haven't done to due diligence on this, but I can imagine how the rate is dropped since Kaelin Clark has been hurt. because she was hurt the last month or two or however long it was before the season. I was even upset because the fever actually made it to the semifinals.

And Caitlin Clark wasn't playing. Imagine this murder. Now mind you, this is her second year. Her team makes it to the semifinals. What the ratings would have been. Did you know that, but I'm saying, not even being funny, did you know the fever was in the semifinals? No.

Exactly. Because Caitlin wasn't planned. Exactly. If Caitlin was playing, you would have known that the fever was in the semifinals. So, yo, I would be like, yo, if I'm Caitlin Clark, you need to come see me.

She actually make the league hot. As much as people like to argue about it, she was bringing the eyeballs. I know that people are going to hate that take, but it's the truth. It's like she's bringing the viewers, along with everybody else, but they're coming to see her either win or fail.

And that's what's bringing, motivating a lot of the interests. I just want to add a stat really quick to back at what you guys are saying. So it was reported that the WMBA viewers went down 55% since her injury and even for the Fever's national TV games. It was at 1.8 million average viewers

and it went down about 850,000. Yeah, so you can feel how you want to feel about her. You can feel how you want to feel. 55% is a lot. And this was what I was saying. Hold on, Moe, let me finish my take real quick. because I wasn't even finished.

I got an attitude about it, so pardon me, because who the fuck is you to be telling me this? I would go in the commissioner's office with all these numbers. Yeah. Check me out in Iowa. Check me out with Nike. Check me out with Gatorade. Check out your viewership.

Fuck you mean you giving me a platform. I could have went overseas and I could do it 10 weeks with the niggas. They may have bust my ass or whatever. But $15 million for $15 million. How long is it going to take? All right, let's just do math murder. or 10. It's going to take 20 years

to make what? 1.4? This is like the good old boy mindset on steroids. But you would hope, you would think this would be happening

with a Caucasian woman and a black girl. This is happening with a white girl. That's what makes it even crazier. Yeah. So I'm glad Nafisa

blew the spot up because to murder's point in his take, it might be, it might be like, you know, the person under the commission would be like, you know, we ain't, we been in fucking world, anyway. That's all that's going to start.

Yeah. Vote to get the commission now and all that. That's going to start soon because at the end of the day, now don't get me wrong, like Statt used a very important word allegedly, because I'm pretty for sure she's going to say, Nefisa exaggerated what I said and try and clean it up. But Nefisa doesn't come across as a person who would just randomly say that for no particular reason whatsoever.

And Kaelan Clark, I don't know what you're going to do, hunt, but you got the leverage and you're a very fair person to me, my person. I'm talking about as far as not trying to take too much, like as far as damn playing your celebrity, as far as saying, no, the females deserve this, the female deserve that. Knowing damn well, you're the meal ticket. Like murder said, many people may not want to hear that, like it or not. You're the meal ticket. Let's think about this.

Let's think about when she got a sneaker deal. And I'm not saying that Asia Wilson didn't deserve one, but he's like, oh, hold up. Now they're just giving out women sneaker deals and they own sneakers. Where the fuck Asia sneak at? Asia got one. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Let's get Asia a deal. And I think Asia's the best basketball player in the WMBA by far she deserved one. But they didn't think about it until they gave Caitlin Clark one and us as black people. through a damn fit about it.

So we don't need to get them mad. Yeah. Let's get a little shit. Yeah. And I think the only thing that's bad about this, I hate that it came through a black girl. I hate that she was the messenger of this message because now she's going to probably have to watch out, you know,

because, you know, people don't take light to things like that, especially when you're sharing private information publicly. I'll tell you one thing, murder. It's been true to power. Yeah. Speaking of truth, the power, and murder, you're 100% correct. But she's probably the second best player in the NBA. Fiesa Carla, like, she, is Asia Wilson, then it's her.

If you want to put Caitlin and Paige in there because of color, but I thought to be honest with you, of course, Asia Wilson deserves her fourth MVP this year. But if anybody should have got it right after, there's Nefisa Khalid. So I will add, because this is still unfolding. And like, we know that Nefiza already started unrivaled, which is already making a lot of money. And they're still trying to figure out their CBA rights deal because the players really think

that they should be having revenue sharing because of the media rights deal that the WMBA just signed, which was like $2.2.2 billion. And even just knowing that the highest paid, WMBA player only makes about $250,000, given the rights and deals that they've signed. So it's definitely going to kind of be a little battle from here now. And I'm not exactly sure which direction it's going. but I did want to read you guys the commissioner's response to basically see what you guys think about that. So she said, I have the utmost respect for Nefiza Collier and for all the players in the WMBA. Together we have all worked tirelessly to transform this league.

My focus remains on ensuring a bright future for the players and the WMBA, including collaborating on how we continue to elevate the game. I am disheartened by how Nefiza characterized our conversations and league leadership. But even when our perspectives differ, my commitment to the players and to this work will not waver. So Marie's going to let you go first. No, I'm going first. Bitch your publicist wrote that. I ain't jacking none of that. You'll clean this shit up.

Clean this shit. You're going to get a mess. Clean this shit up. Hurry up. Write me some shit and I sign off on it. We can't have this shit. Publicist wrote that. Go ahead.

I ain't even got much to say about it. Go ahead. Go ahead. One, we was going to have the same take. A publicist wrote that. I had a different question. And instead, no offense to what you just. sags but I just never wonder what there's people who always say that um they paved

away for people but then they get mad of people who take advantage of what they paved away for you ever seen in the past yeah that never made sense to me where you you we're doing all this so people can do better and then when the people who do better start doing that's a good point people who get mad at them i don't understand i'm just paving the way that when they get Cam had my six stat. No, that's a good point. Yeah, we paved the way. Thank you.

Yeah. We paved more way for the next niggas. I understand when you come in for a guy, murder my back. I think this statement alone kind of puts her in a Donald Sterling. I'm like that. Yeah. Donald Sterling. The owner of the clippers.

Yeah, put them in that position like Paul is the owner of the clippers. And I really think that this kind of statement is so excited. It really shouldn't exist without a recording, actually, because it's so explosive. If you're somebody else and you're thinking about this young lady who's the next best player in the league, how do you feel comfortable talking around her, killer? If you know this is the type of thing she does, like she take the information and go publicly. You're 100% correct a semester all over the board. Yeah.

Because it's like, yo, you might be free about it. Like, let's just use me and you as an example. Hold up. No, like, for instance, right, let's just say the nigger King is here in the room and we know he told him somebody else. And I'm like, yo, but you're going to, yo. Yeah. You might tap.

You know this, nigga. It's a good point. That's a very, very good point. Yeah, like, remember who is that, DeAngelo Russell when he said that about Kobe? It's like, you can't. Yeah, you can't bring him back in the locker room. Because the thing about it, that followed him. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.

So we got to put a pen right here on the FISA and watch how things unraveled, not unraveled, but play out for her as a person because if you're a person in a corporation or anything like that, you got to have some kind of record or some kind of recording to do something like this because if not, it makes you look messy even though you're saying something that could be powerful. Yeah, that's a good point. you're saying the FISA need to watch the back like the five heartbeats big wrecked. I mean, because we've been in this

we paused for a long time so we know all of the whistleblowers. We know what happened to whistleblowers. So when you blow the whistle, pause. You really got to have your stuff together. Good point. Very good point. No fear.

No fear in the FISA. We're just giving you wisdom from back in the days, you know? Yeah, good points. But also shout out to her, because I know that's a very hard thing to do, but she is a very trusted voice in the WMBA. And clearly she spoke up for all of them because a lot of the WMBA players came to her defense and basically was supporting her. So I don't know what happens next.

This brings a whole whirlwind of things. And we'll discuss as the season continues. Because one other point, because what if it's not true? What if it's not true? The thing is, though, off the commissioner's response. She didn't really deny it. The commissioner definitely said it was a convoy. The commissioner said, I'm disappointed.

That's what you took. You know what I'm saying? It was a conversation, but what if she didn't say that in the conversation? I think that, and there's a good question, because I think, I think, and I don't know the W&D commissioner. If this was Adam Silva, even especially David Stern, that was outright, bold-faced long. and lied. If it was 100%. You know David Stern.

We know David Stern. Yeah, yeah. Like, listen, that is not what I said. And I'm sorry that he misinterpreted. So I don't have any information. I'm just going off what's being read to me. I don't know this commissioner's personality or anything else. But if somebody's lying on you and you got to put a statement out,

you guys, at least in the statement put that that's not true with what they said. That's what I was taking safe. Yeah, so according to her response, many are going to believe. You said this because you would have started with, hey, I'm going to need you to retract that statement. I'm going to need you to do this because that is not what I said. That may be what you took from it. And people will be very emphatic when they know they didn't say something. I was just putting a question of a different conversation.

And listen, and listen, let's just be totally honest. This show, the reason me and Mace are even speaking is because somebody lied on them in the We're on a podcast. You're right, nigga, you're not going to be lying on me telling people I gave you and listen,

bro, I got my receipts. You're right. You're 100% right. Yeah, you got to clear that up, Commissioner. Yeah, so the, but I reason, let's just give him some more context about what I said was that

for people that don't know me and Mace wasn't speaker for 10 years or maybe longer. And he said some words on the podcast, and then I came on a podcast, said some words, but that wasn't his reason for going on the podcast. Yeah.

The reason for him going on the podcast was he felt somebody lied on him, and he went to clear that up. And we drove there to clear it up. Yeah, you got to clear things up, man. And the commissioner didn't do that. Yeah. At all. She basically just said,

when our perspectives differ, my commitment to the, like you already lost. Yeah, you lost me with that because you said something. So shout out to Nefisa for standing for the truth. Yeah, and hopefully things get better for them because I know they got a lot going on. But y'all, that is all the time that we have for today, Maurice. You know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show.

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