IT IS WHAT IT IS - SHOULD NFL GAMES END IN A TIE, CHIEFS MIGHT BE BACK & JAXSON DART ERA STARTS WITH A WIN!

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

On this episode, The Playmaker is back to talk about week 4 in the NFL. Mike says we GOTTA talk about the Cowboys game 1st & wait on MA$e’s Chiefs because that was one of the funnest games in recent Sunday Night Football history. Are you a fan of the Overtime rules in the NFL and the Chiefs are back at 2-2 with a monster win over Lamar & the Ravens. Next, Stat Baby loving the Steelers as they sit at 3-1 with their win over the Vikings & Jaxson Dart era starts with a win over the chargers Michael Irvin Returns (0:00) Cowboys Tie With Packers (4:45) Overtime Rules (15:00) Chiefs Smoke The Ravens (22:00) Underdog Picks For Jets Dolphins (33:00) Steelers 3-1(36:00) Jaxson Dart (50:00) Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So make sure to support the show, lock in your bonus and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Tresor Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with you. your host, Mace and Cam. Hey, baby. Nick, I don't get a close up. What's going on?

Pause. I don't get a close up, baby. Oh, man, I forgot to take this stick off. It's so fresh. It's on you, Stad. Why are y'all all up on me now? This is your moment. It ain't my moment. We've been doing this. I asked for a close-up, then don't

want the close-up. You got a zoom-in close-up, actually, at that. Yeah, Nate just did that because he saw me struggling with the sticker. How long have you had that hat, Mason? You know, I just had to get a fresh one for you, Stad. I got one for you, too. I don't want that. I'm mad at them hats, because that hat stands for Killer Cam, actually.

I'm at Casey hats. You got a new flavor, actually. I like that one. That was good. You was quick on your feet. No, he's Larry, right? Larry, I told him, because he said, you got the Kansas City out of a blue shit for the Royals.

That's fine. Yeah, man, thanks for representing. Yeah. That was good. Mike, where you at? Man, you here today or everybody's not coming in today? I thought nobody was coming in. I got here.

Nobody's here. I'm right here, bro. I'm right here. Listen, I see you got a brand new. had on. I mean, it's new wearing it anyway. I'm sure you had it for quite a while planning to bring it into the studio,

but they didn't give you any offense enough to come in in the studio with it. So you wore it today. And Xavier Word, they gave you that offense. So, so I was, I was happy. Mike, save it for the show, Mike. I'm just laying ahead. First of all, we're on the show. I didn't mean to trigger you.

I didn't mean to trigger you. I didn't mean to trigger y'all. I didn't know this kind of triggering was going to go just because I wore a hat. It's just a hat, Mike. No, it's a brand new hat. You're just a... Mike, it's just the hat, man.

You know? I wore the hat because Killer has Sean up there, so this is Sean Bob, the suit with the hat, you know? Shine gave you a lot of love, too, man. Yeah, man. He said he got a lot of stuff from you and your entourage, man. He says you're a lot of...

out of love, man. It's fine. Okay. So we're going to start with your team since, you know, he brought on the new hat, Mike. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold up, wait a minute. They be a Lamar Jackson list Ravens. Did you not see the Sunday night game? This is Monday morning, the most, the most, the thing that's on everybody's on.

cranium right now is the Dallas Cowboys put off 40 points for Michael Parsons in the green babe guys let's start with that we got it we got you right we got you

we got to start with that Cowboys versus Packers game ended in a 40-40 tie and over you're welcome in overtime this is the second highest scoring tie in NFL history

Mike how do you feel about this ending Well, I rushed right home, got cool, got ready, got me some rest. Yeah, we've seen your TV, Mike. We've seen you at the game. We've seen you on. We've seen your TV. Red and blue. Yeah, we want to inspire America with what they saw out of America's team last night.

You see what I'm saying? I want this, I want you to remember. When we talk about all that we're going through here in America today, all we got to do is come together and fight together. Oh, God. with that door. What happened? What I don't lose you guys? You guys see me?

Because I lost you. Mike, they lost you because you're capping, Mike. God did that. They lost you. God did that. God did that, man. No, don't try that joke. God don't like that capping, Mike.

Not on Monday morning. Right after we sued you in church yesterday, too. We saw you in church and you get on here Monday capping. Yeah, man. God don't like that, Mike. Right. I was about, I'm breaking into a great sermon right here about the fight because I saw something in these boys that I wanted to see, even though the outcome didn't end up quite like I wanted it. And my whole thing is this, if they ever tell me who this knicker is with a finger on the bud that stopped it with one second or I'm a whoop his. Maybe it's electronic.

You know, you guys remember when we were in high school, you were going to play in high school, you know they let that clock run. You were like, there was more three say, you know what I'm saying? So why would the Dallas Cowboys at home? You've never been Green Bay at that stadium. Whoever pressed that down button, I want to see him.

I ain't gonna lie to you, Mike. Just because y'all was at home, he's supposed to let that run. right yeah right right my earpiece that fell out so i missed a little bit of what you said but if that's what you said right right so he's sitting there like this you're supposed to be like mm-hmm yeah press that part you know what i'm saying that's right man yeah yeah that was that that was the disappointing part mike right there at one mic i think this is just a testimony since you She's using church lingo.

This is just a testimony about how good the cowboys are not. You know, they do all of this to get to the end to not win the game. Mike, you're always right there, but never get the win. I want to be with you on this, Mike, but it's hard to beat it. It's 40-40. You didn't win the game, Mike. Are we celebrating ties now? Right.

No, no, we're not celebrating ties. We're not celebrating better. But there are some things that are to celebrate. a 40 point you put up 40 points on a team you're putting up 40 you you put up 40 points on green bay without your two best players on offense that's cd lamb did play on defense y'all got that guy that was michael parsons and this team these guys came together and still laid down 40 points that's something to say yeah no mike that's what you're doing about mike that's like Mike Mike Mike, nah, Mike, that's like you gave her child support

and she gave you child support. What are we doing here, Mike? I'm missing this correlation. That's exactly the point, Mike. I'm missing with your job. That's exactly how I feel about the 40 to 40. I don't know where to go with this. Mike.

But nobody thought Dallas could do that. This game is about finding out what's deep down and the side of the men you have on that football field. I don't even know if Dallas thought they could do that. So they learned something about themselves, and I thought that was good. Mike, we were right here week two. You said the same thing about the Eagles.

You played well, but you didn't win. Now you played well, but it's a tie, Mike. If that's your best, you don't even win the game. I don't, I don't know what we're talking here. We might need to recall the name. That's what I'm saying. It's not our best. Our best was our best was on the sideline and street clothes.

So now you add that to this right now. When these guys stepping up, George Piggins putting up 130, 34, you guys stepping up. You still, you want them to make that step. And then CD comes back and gets step back in as the lead man, but they still make that step. Now you look at where your offense is going. And that defense, I was expecting that defense to be. Why is this doing it? Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike keeps doing this to you.

He's striking your feed, Mike. He's striking your feed. He doesn't like that. God keeps striking his feed. Mike, you got to stop lying on the air. God is not supporting that, Mike. Every time Mike lies, I want you to strike that feed on them again.

I'm pretty crazy, dog. That is his excitement. Well, to be honest, Richard, this was really a good game. I'm not the biggest Dak Prescott fan, but this year he's kind of making me a fan. I'm not going to lie to you. Especially the first, you know, Mike is talking about CD isn't there, this, that, and the third.

Steve, look, even if CD is there, you're not having been getting 40 points. So you're talking about you're going to get another choice. 28 points of C. You're not scoring 68 points. A lot of targets that may be with the pickers or anybody else, those are C.D. Lamb's target. So I don't want to hear about offense, was it there? It's the defense that we need to talk about, but I'll stick to offense for a minute. Dak, this year has been looking excellent.

Yesterday, three touchdowns. I thought him and love shot it out, but I think that I don't even know how many. I want to know exactly, and I'll probably get more information later today, how many drops the Cowboys have. Because Dak is putting it in the basket. Right in the bread basket and the niggas is dropping, including Mike's man, C.D. Lamb, even though he wasn't playing.

He has a bunch of drops in one game, actually. A game they could have actually won. But I'm really, really impressed with what Dak is doing, like I said, especially me not being a big Dak Prescott fan. Jordan Love, he played well. Look, this was a offensively,

this was a great game. What needs to be checked is both teams' defense. Where's the defense at? That's the real question. Where's the defense at? Because Jordan Love was spectacular. Dak was spectacular.

The running game was on point. The second half was an old Western shootout. And even into overtime. To me, personally, as much as I like LaFleur as they coach, that last drive in overtime, I had no idea what him what Jordan Love was doing. They had an opportunity to score a touchdown three different times.

You got the ball with 30 seconds left and previous plays leading up to y'all getting in the red zone. You were running slants and running the football and it was working and y'all marched up the field in about three, four, three and a half minutes. And then you get in the red zone and y'all niggas start bugging. You got one timeout left. You don't get out of bounds, but you're throwing these sideline passes to where the players not going to even make it out of bounds to stop the clock. then the very last play of the game you don't get a chance to spike it to possibly go for

a touchdown and then get the field goal that was the version of the panic button when niggas hit the panic button LaFleur as a coach and Joy and Love I can't put too much blame on him because I don't know what they were selling him in his headphones but he looked like he was erratic because they marched up the field

get in the red zone and they are daring headlights What the fuck, me? I was looking like, yo, y'all niggas could score. And like Mike said previously, if the nigger didn't stop the clock, they would have lost the game.

Man, that was a big mental collapses on the coaching staff. And like I said, I'm not going to put that on Joy and Love because who the fuck knows what was going on. And not only that, mishandling their timeouts. You didn't handle your timeout situation correctly, and that's why I boiled down to the tie

because I think the way they went up the field, they could have won the game, but they panicked in the red zone. But I thought on offense, both teams were beautiful. The defense, this week, I also do some mean practicing, some mean practicing. But to what Mike was saying, I don't want to hear that CD Lamb and whoever else wasn't playing

because the targets that were going to Pickings and everybody else, those would have been CD Lamb targets. So you're acting like CD Lamb and the other receiver or I'm not sure a receiver who Mike said is out. Would they account? Turpin. Cavante Turpin and George. picking it's what i'm talking about is the pressure moment these as a number two receiver

strike is a base what did you say you don't get those pressure moments okay oh yeah what i do no you're just mine mike you're not listening around man but for real and cam cam what i hear you saying Look at them. Look at them. Thank you, God. Look at God. Matter of fact, you God. You know, Mike, I'm telling you, I'm not playing with you no more.

I'm speaking to the football guards. You're not going to be able to lie on this show anymore. Yo, PT, matter of fact, PT, how many passes did they drop? The Cowboys drop seven passes. That gave props, bro. I give Dak a lot of props, man. And to be honest with you, we don't have to move on because I have to agree with me.

The football guys don't want Mike Lyon no more. more. And that's just that. That's just that. Great offense on both teams, poor defense on both teams, and that was the result, a draw. So I know that we know it's part of the rules that it was going to end in a draw basically by the time the timer was done. But how do you guys feel about a game ending with no winner in an ending in a draw? Do you like that or do you feel like it should be changed? Yeah, I definitely think that rule should be changed. Anytime you go out there to compete, it should be a win. Just like boxing. I hate when it's just a draw. They got a You got to leave there with a winner, you know, somebody got to win.

And if they should have beat overtime and boxing as well. So I think the same way when it comes to this. You need a winner. We came near to see a winner. The people came there to win. Just imagine you've been training for something over and over week by week, day by day, whether it's boxing or football, but I know we're talking about football. And you put all this time in there and then it doesn't help the record.

If it's a tie, like you end up like having almost. like a missing week in your in your schedule because there's no victory and there's no loss yeah as far as football i think they should change the rule boxing i don't mind draws when it's really a draw i don't like when they be jerking niggas pause but that leads to have a fight sometime um but football yeah football's the only major sport that can actually end in the time you look at baseball and i have my flaws when it comes to baseball too because i say baseball is the only major sport that you can't score on defense. I don't care what kind of golden glove you got.

You dive and catch it. You throw the out. You cannot score on defense, and that's annoying. You think about tennis. Sometimes tennis matches go six hours. And I'm exaggerating, but it has been tennis matches. They have to finish the next day because shit was seven, eight, nine hours sometimes. So when it comes to football, they actually just changed the rule, I believe, when the

playoffs started something like that or to that nature or in the Super Bowl, not just not ending in the tie because the rule was whoever gets the ball first, if they score first, you win the game. At least the other team gets an opportunity to score. But, yeah, I agree with Mace with that, that in football,

it should absolutely keep going. You think about college football. They got all type of scenarios so games don't end in the tie. Go shoot a touchdown. Get it on this yard line. That's another sport, pardon me, I mean it's still football. That's another part of football and

when it comes to college, they keep playing until somebody wins. So, yes, I agree with Mace. When it comes to football, it should be a winner. Okay. And, Mike, how do you feel just about games ending in ties? Do you like that? Or you think that rule should be changed? Well, I don't think, and you know, no more wants the game to end in a tie.

Nobody. And I didn't want that game to end in the time. I didn't want it to end in the loss either, though. You know what I'm saying? So, so the way I was, I, once, once they. They made that last drive. They got inside the 40, I started getting nervous because I'm saying, okay, now we still have a tie.

Once you got inside that 30 and 25, I'm saying now you're looking at a tie all loss. And, you know, so yeah, that got scary in the end there. But yeah, there's so many ways. Let's go four downs from the 25-yard line and see where it goes, like they do in college. You know what I mean? I don't care if you say, well, we're going to see who kick the longest field goal. We'll keep moving back five yards until you missed the field goal. But we're going to leave here with somebody winning the game and somebody losing the game.

One last thing before my camera went on the beat, when I heard Cam say, and I just want to reiterate that he's right, I thought I heard Cam said right now, Dak Prescott is the MVP in the league for him because I got that. No, he didn't say that, Mike. Mike, your camera going to cut back off. If you keep this up, we're going to cut your camera back off, Mike. we're not going to tolerate this every Monday. If it happens again, I'm afraid I'm going to have to cut your camera all right. He did not say that Doc was MVP. He just said he was playing great, Mike.

Why are you got to put 30 on 20, Mike? First of all, Mike, I had to what Mesa said, you've got to be 500 to be in that conversation. If you're not 500. That's like getting me ahead of ourselves. Yeah, you're not 500. I don't want to put you in the conversation. That's how you do the brother.

When y'all was saying that in Cincinnati, oh, he could be the MVP, and they were losing. But now, Joe Burrow, but now when they, okay, I got it. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, keep his camera on. Yeah, let me ask you a question, Mike. Did Joe Burrow get it? No.

Because he was losing. If Joe Burber would have been one game over 500, he might have won it, even though he wasn't going to the playoffs. Two games over 500, they would have definitely won it. But because he was down with the losers, the losers are not in the conversation, Mike. But you just said it, though. But you just said it. What did you just say?

Count the drops. So now, you know. You're leaving in the basket. Yo, Mike, you do lose. man delusional cowboys man yeah man listen mike let me tell you son if if they counted the drops you might as would be like nah that ain't that for put us on the 20 i know he was on the turd he should have caught it just put us on the 20 for our first down Mike oh if you want to blame anybody if that's the if that's the stance you're taking blame the niggas dropping it why he ain't

in the league in the talk for MVP. There you go. There you go. That's how you deal with that. I wasn't talking about the law, you know. Niggas heard you about the lie. Niggas heard you about the lie.

Mike. Lie detector screen is crazy. Okay. Well, Mike, no, she's on Mike. All right, I got it. That's what you're doing now. I got it. I got it.

But I appreciate that. That right there, Cam, they'll probably take that and run that all day on the channel saying, Cam, on Cam and May says that Dr. Prescott, they'll be paired of me. And, you know, you'll see your name out there. They only run in that at 5 in the morning on Dallas.

On the station, on the stage, 89.7. the first station on the radio with static in it. Mike, you got to chill if you want your camera to stay on, Mike. Dallas dudes. Okay. So now let's get into Mesa's team.

The Chiefs have won back-to-back games after beating the Ravens 37 to 20. Mike, do you think the Ravens are in trouble and then how do you feel about the game? I think the Ravens are in trouble on one end and then they'll be okay on the other. Now, because you look at the F.C. North, you're at Cleveland, just talked about Cincinnati. They're down.

You know, Pittsburgh had a big game, cross the water today and came up. But I thought, I think that AFC North will still be around. So they're not really in trouble with the league, with the division getting away from them. But I believe they can be in trouble with their mentality getting away from them. Because your man mentality, that's a man's reality, and you keep making these kinds of state you start thinking that this is you and something's wrong with you like like the derrick here slam oh never do this you know I never have these problems and now you started started starting getting in your mind that can be a problem I think they'll still be fine

they got to get some things together before they'll be fine with having a shot at the division because it's so bad right now but they got to get their mind right I think the Ravens are in big trouble, honestly. They've allowed too many teams to score high numbers. The first four games, I think they're up to about 133 points. This is like the most that we've seen in the last couple of years of this type of team letting a team score that much back to back to back, you know, and when you think about like, we got, we got worthy back. I already told you, once we get our team back together, what it was going to be, Mike. So you are here, killer is here. I don't want to see all these faces.

Can you put the camera on Cam? Because I know he's probably over there looking crazy. Listen, the boys are back in town, man. We let everybody get a head start. That's what you do when you're faster than everybody. You saw worthy out. He's faster than everybody. You got to give niggas a head start, you know?

And we got, I mean, Pat Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes getting 250 yards. He's the first quarterback to do this in quite some times. I don't know what to tell you. The first quarterback to do what? They get, I meant 250 touchdowns. Oh, you said 250 yards. Yeah, I meant to say 250 touchdown. And we're six and one against Baltimore.

We own Baltimore. I told you all this is what it boils down to. You're right. And add that piece on, too, to what I said, becomes a mental problem for Baltimore. They got spanked again by daddy. You know what I mean? Yo, Mike, I'm going to black your camera out again. If you do that again, Mike, listen, we got four different receivers getting touchdowns.

This is not even worthy getting a touchdown. There's nobody that can really beat us. When we're together, there's really nobody that can beat us. I might win my hat all season. Xavier Word, that gives you something you need now, because he gives you two things. He gives you two things. It's, you know, he gives people the fear of even though he's that speed guy.

Unlike most speed guys, he understands the holes in the zones, you know. He's a speed guy that has the Juju Smith understanding and all of that stuff. That's what makes them dangerous when they, since when they get him back to add everybody else around that. Yeah. I'll say this, um, stat. I'm like, I'm a little disappointed piece that Larry Taylor's on. I've never seen winners such as Mason and Mike so happy with mediocrisy. Yeah.

Like mediocrisy and to be excited about it. Mike's happy with a draw. Mace happy with being with 500. I've never seen people be this excited about mediocrisy. I'm not happy about 500. A person like me, I just couldn't do. That's why I said I go down with the shit. We're going down.

I'm not happy about it. But to celebrate mediocrisy is very disappointing from these two gentlemen. Actually have second- I actually have second-hand embarrassment to be totally honest with you. So the audience, this Mike is my turn. You want to go after me, fine. I just want to apologize to our audience. This is not the standard.

This is not what we promote. This is not what we're usually about. And to be okay with a drawer. And 500, I just want to apologize to our audience for celebrated mediocrisy. So I'll take that a pun. I'll take the onus, a coach rich voice. The on it. The onus is on me.

The niggins will always take the onus for some crazy. The onus is on me as responsibility for the brand. I'll take the onus on that. But to everybody else's point, I think Mike, Like, first of all, we didn't mention that Lamar Jackson got hurt in the third quarter and he didn't finish the game. In third quarter. Yeah, so we'll start with that. We didn't, Lamar Jackson didn't finish the game.

But I think what Mike said on a serious note is that mentally, 100% mentally, I don't like the way. I think that the Ravens were off to a good season until that first game when Derek Henry fumbled. And everything after that became mental. And he fumbled the first game. fumbled the second, fumbled the third game. To Mike's point, he touched on it a little bit, pause, when he said, I didn't like, I didn't like Derek Henry's. Yeah, crashing the sideline, crashing.

Yeah, no, yeah, it wasn't even about that. It wasn't about crashing the sideline, Mike. It was more about after the game, you know, because, look, we've seen players bug out on the sideline, especially when it's day four. We see, we've seen Tom Brady break eye pads and throw helmets and everything else. wasn't about that because I know that you know a lot of people have to realize that us as analysts and fans and so on and so forth and Mike you know this better than anybody up here

is when you have a city dependent on you and it's your fault that that city can't go celebrate and I know we're not talking about playoffs Super Bowl anything else but you know it isn't basketball every week kind of counts you get what I'm saying so right it wasn't about the sideline for me it was after the game for me, when he was like, I'm going to do, and don't, I'm not, don't take this the wrong way because I'm, I believe in God, anything really, you know, he's like, I got to pray.

Then he told me, I got to go practice. Practice, nigga, hold the ball. Like, what kind of practice? You got to walk through the house, holding the ball. And your kids come around, smack the ball. What kind of, you're running back? You have to hold on to the ball. But I didn't like his, his aura or his mannerisms, I should say,

after last week's game and you can see shit like that could turn mental. It's like a shooter in basketball. You shoot the lights out and then you missed the last 33 pointers and now it's mental when I'm going to make one, when I'm going to make one, when I'm going to make one.

And that's what I saw from Derek Henry last week and I didn't like it whatsoever. On another note, to Mesa's point, Baltimore over the years, we are known, we're We're used to seeing Baltimore known for defense.

That's what they're built on defense, whether Ray Lewis or Suggs or whoever out. This is what Baltimore is built on. They came into this game last night or yesterday afternoon last in the league in total defense. How is the Baltimore Ravens last in the league in total defense? This is a Baltimore Ravens. I don't like what I'm seeing from them. and Mike, you said that you don't count them out because the division's weak,

but they enter in that danger zone shit you was talking about a couple weeks ago. They're one and three, and like you said, it's a weak division, but not saying weak because Joe Burroughs is hurt, and we know what the Cleveland Browns is doing. But listen, man, Aaron Rogers look pretty decent and we'll get to that game.

Yeah, we'll get to that game in a minute, but just don't think that you are lose six games and make a run and winning division because you have two great minds in Pittsburgh. Now, the town around them has to do their job on defense, offense, special team, so on. But when you got Mike Tomlin and Aaron Rogers in the same locker room, that's two brilliant football minds in the same building. Will it produce later on?

We'll see. But I wouldn't take it for granted, just losing six, seven, losing six, seven games and still think you're going to win the division. I wouldn't go with that. I agree. Just had to put that in there. Of course you agree. Here we go.

Here we go. Because it's been, it was a great little weekend. I'll just say that. Mike, I want to ask you really quick because you made sure to emphasize that the Chief won against Lamar Jackson-Liss Raven. So did this game not live in the hype to you? Do you not really count as a real? Like, I know on paper it's a real winner to you just doesn't really count. How do you kind of feel about it overall?

Well, I'm looking at more than just the score. You also look at how the offense looked. Did they get back to looking like, oh, that could be an identity right there. Pacheco ran hard, you know. And now what he has, what I talked about in Worthy, he has that one-on-one guy that I can trust. When Pateko was running hard, not running, running real taking the tough yards. Everybody's playing one-on-one outside. He's playing pitch and catch.

So now the team looks like one of those well-coach, well-designed, schematic teams that Andy Reed. You saw that reverse, you know, it looks like something again because of that kid's ability to bring speed and explosive plays to that whole offense and back everybody up. Now Travis Kelsey, he won't look so old because he ain't got to go take every, boom, boom, boom, pushing him. People will be backing up and giving us some space. Now the chiefs can work. Okay. We are going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the Steelers.

Don't go anywhere. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. So today, the Jets will play the Dolphins. Underdog has Garrett Wilson at 61.5 receiving yards. Do you have them higher, lower Mace? Say it again. Jets versus Dolphins.

Garrett Wilson's at 61.5 receiving yards. I'm going to go higher. Lower. Okay. Brice Hall is at 56 and a half rushing yards. Do you have them higher or lower? Lower fiery body of these teams

But go ahead For continuity purposes I don't even know the next one Because I don't want fuck niggas best up They just count on me They do Yeah they count on me Tyreek Hill is at 66 and a half

receiving yards you'll hire Lor Mason I'm going higher See that's the problem right there Is that Tewa and Tyreek Has not been on the same page But the thing, that's a great number from underdog. The reason why I think that number is so great,

you could complete a 15-yard pass to Tyreek in the yards after the catch. You got to come up with a new stat for this shit. Yo, Mike, let me ask you a matter of fact, let me answer this question. Let me ask you a question before I make my answer, right? How do you feel about that shit when a quarterback throw it to you and then you catch it five yards in and you run for 70, he get all them yardage. Do you feel

a way about that? All of it. Yeah, exactly now. You know, I used to have an issue with it. Right. The yeah. I used to have, yeah, because I'm like, hey, wait a minute. You know, give me something extra.

Yeah. Because I, you know, he made that. You could say he threw seven yards. Right. But you got to get some extra after I got through all these knee roads and went down the field instead of getting. giving it to him, you know, but, but I never said anything because I don't want him to get mad and not even throw me the five-yarders, you know what I'm saying.

Right. So, you don't think about it. You don't say anything about it. That's always been crazy. Yeah, I know niggas get the, the yak, the yards after the catch props and all that shit, but the quarterback being, you can't, you throw the ball seven yards, nigger run for 60, dumb your, dumb your yards. Anyway, that's why I kind of thought about it.

That's why this number of underdog is really, really slick. with this number because Tyreek Hill if he break free he can run for 70 yards if he gets the right if he gets the right space but him and two haven't been on the same page I'm going to go lower just because of him and two his chemistry the last few weeks yeah and I'm going to change my first one to lower as well okay make sure you all download the underdog

app and you can make your picks too so the Steelers beat the Vikings 24 to 21 in Ireland Mike are the Steelers performing better than you expected. Look how she set the question up. Mike, Mike, wait a minute. You see how everything with distillers, the way she set the questions up is the chiefs for real. When it comes to the distillers, it's like, are they performing better than you thought? Go ahead, Mike. I'm just paying attention to all of this. But they are. They are performing like I thought they could perform. And I'll explain what I mean by that. Like, we saw for the first time.

We saw for the first time that we saw the inside passing game that I saw today. And Rodgers hitting the run back out of the backfield on an inside passing game. So now you got running. You got D.K. Metcalf now going 80 yards on slant routes. That's starting on the outside. Now you have a way to attack defenses up the middle and on the outside. Dan Rogers making the right calls, that's a very effective offense. And you put it with Mike Tomlin in that defense.

They are absolutely, for real. That thing is going to come down to Baltimore and Pittsburgh and one of them big old fights and the big battles that they used to have all the time. And you're right, Cameron, May, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed. All the three Baltimore defensive players are going crazy right now with that defense. That's a fact, absolutely.

Yeah, I think when it comes to the Pittsburgh team, we got to give more credit the game well. He's running really well. And when it comes to this team, like we talk about D-Cath. I mean, D-K, I told Statt about this. Stad was acting like he wasn't going to make a difference. It seems like he made a big difference this game. And I'm really excited to see what Aaron Rogers is doing with this team because, you know, the last couple of years he's just been out.

So to see him like consistently show up and his look. like you're going you're going to get right there to the playoffs to lose but they'll they'll be there yeah i thought this first of all this game came on a while early yes um it was i've stumbled to the game on the way to the bathroom and shit i was like i forgot the shit came on um but yeah i think that because of what's going on with aaron rogers last year and i'm not going to put them in the same boat but it's kind of like a russell wilson situation like, yo, my nigga, you're just around here. What's you going to do?

Aaron Rogers, of course, has much more cachet than Russell Wilson's four-time league MVP, Super Bowl champion, et cetera, et cetera. But I thought this was really, really good win for the Steelers, because, like you said, Mike, you catch DK on an 80-yard run. I thought the only thing that was missing off DK yesterday was the Seattle motherfucking jersey.

I said, that looked like Seattle D.K. right there. And I think that they, we got to see, because that's the thing about the Steelers. Like, I'm trying to find the right words to say without just going to analytics and statistics. Because to me, it really ain't about that. It's about what are they going to do? And I don't think we said it on the show with you, Mike. But the last, however many years, Pittsburgh has been celebrated only because Mike Tomlin has won 500 games. and that can't be the celebration

well he ain't lose he never was under 500 he was never under 500 and he black so we're gonna run with it yeah yeah nigga never was under 500 but that's not getting them anywhere you know what I'm saying last time the Pittsburgh still is won a championship

is when I can't even when I'm Ben Rothenberger was there and Bing Bing Bing Bing you hit the jackpot Yes. And what does that mean when Ben Rothersburg was there? That means you gave Mike Tumblin a quarterback. And they haven't given him, he hadn't gotten a quarterback since Ben Rothelisberger.

But the thing about that, I'm going to hold, I'm not going to hold, I'm holding Pittsburgh accountable to that. Because the thing about it is this, right? And you're 100% right. He had a quarterback. But to me, Pittsburgh could have had a quarterback. and figured it out, but they let Ben Rothersberger play three years longer

than he should have been playing because of his cachet at Pittsburgh. He should have been out the league three years earlier than he played every year. Just give me one more year. Niggas is in that front office like, oh my God, what are we going to do? He did one that's two Super Bowls.

Now, next year I got it. Give me one more. Niggis sitting there like this. Who going to tell him? Anybody going to tell him? Anybody going to tell Ben he needs to sit? I swear to God, this the last shit. When niggas said, Ben, that's it.

All right, look, we gave you three years. They could have been grooming somebody in them three years or put them under the belt. And like you said, I have to agree with you. They haven't got a quarterback since then. But you let the nigger linger on for an extra three years when you know he shouldn't have been playing because he won you them two Super Bowls.

That's just that. I'm wishing well for Mike Tomlin because I really, really like him and I want him to win. And I like Ameri Rogers too. think he's a weirdo sometime off the camera and I'm not going to say weirdo in the bad way. He got his beliefs, the aliens, the going to dark and

figure all that other shit out. Cool. So I didn't really want to do analytics in this game. Carson once played decent but outside them two interceptions and the real reason I didn't want to do analytics because Mace always says the quarterback the 225 yards wins the game.

Aaron Rogers didn't even have 210 yards and he won the game. So I wanted to stay away from analytics because because that's Mesa's biggest analytic. Kim, I was letting you go to the whole show. The whole show. You've been wilding the whole show. You talk about throwing extra yards after the catch.

You just, y'all been going, wow. You and Mike. Throwing yards after the catch was, how we wild. The yak and all of that, yards after the catch was wild. It was a lot of things that was just crazy today. You reached a. He reached the people. No, no.

He got the hat on it. He's just the people in the comments. So let me know this right now. They're like, yo, all of this was crazy. Is that not just that? The quarterback, the 225 yards first wins the game. Damn. You've been saying that for two years.

Yes, but this is when we're talking about, this is when we're talking about championship pedigree. We're not talking about that here. And the reason why you can't apply this here is because they're not over 30 points, Cam. That was, we're talking about a championship. That was never your stat. You're talking about championship pedigree.

And then we talk about championship. The head coach is a chair and the quarterback's a chair. Yeah, I get that, I get that, I get that. Like you said, they didn't have a quarterback, but I thought Russell Wilson was a quarterback. But, you know, it's a lot going on. We're not having to do anything, stuff. I'm wild dizzy. I'm wild dizzy.

I mean, I like many of all debate, but I lost. I'm lost, too. I've been lost. You said that Mike Tomlin never had a quarterback. I mean, Russell Wilson is a quarterback. He is a Super Bowl winning quarterback. I didn't say that. Mike said that.

Mike said that. Mike Mason-L-Low that played that $2.25 triggered him. No, that is normally the number. You know, but sometimes there's an anomaly. There's an anomaly to it. Sometimes, you know, you fall in love with ugly girl every now and then. But you don't always do that. That's an anomaly. I'm dizzy.

And that's how Pittsburgh wants to win. I'm dizzy. Pittsburgh wants to win with that anomaly. She's always. They're asking Anna Rogers, not to throw for 300 yards, throw for 210 yards, but don't make any mistakes. And Michael Tomlin and his defense wins games. You know, that's exactly what they're asking Ann Rogers to do. My concern was is Anna Rogers going to capitulate and play run that offense and just play, you know, play short ball and let them make the plays to take it up field?

as opposed to trying to throw the deep ball and you can't make that throw anymore. Now you're giving these young guys a chance to use their young talent. We're not waiting on the old guy to show us his young years again. You get what I'm saying? That's how that this person changes.

So I see Aaron Rogers is capitulating and playing the offense like he needs to. Yeah. Stad, I want you to, it's your team. You got a take on this. I was just going to add, like, for me, As a Steelers fan, obviously, this is just very promising because I think this is more of what we wanted to see. First of all, Carson Wentz struggled against our defense. I'm pretty sure he got sacked six times.

We know he threw two interceptions. It was actually nice to see Aaron Rogers kind of getting back into that groove. So to me, it was meshing well. And for once, I'm going to actually thank Mace for being the Ravens because we are a clear cut first in our division for right now. And even our schedule right now, I think we play the Browns next, I believe, and then the Bengals. So it's real easy, smooth sailing. talk too crazy yet because, you know, towards the end of our schedule, that's when it gets a little harder. But for right now, I'm good. We're in a good little space.

Yo, y'all only clear cut because we ain't play yet. I'm not worried about y'all. You should be worried about y'all. Mr. Browning. I don't know what y'all got going on. I can't wait. Y'all only a half a game ahead of us. Okay.

And we're over 500. Okay. That's another thing. We're over 500. Yeah, they are. So I'm just saying. We play the night. So tomorrow I'll look at you out of eye, man.

We all discuss, but I'm really not worried about y'all. But from here, you know. Yeah, y'all got an easy next two weeks. That's what I'm saying. Right now it's kind of smooth. I mean, I don't want to talk too crazy because you just never know, but it's kind of smooth right now. You're going to feel good about that. I feel good right now.

And I want to stay here. And that's why I think y'all, because the Ravens, I don't know what they got going on. Hopefully they figure it out. That's the one thing that I forget what ex-football player was talking about, that you got a love football because you just celebrate all week or you depressed all week. Yes. And it's 16, 17 weeks. Basketball, you can bounce back tomorrow night after that.

Football, it's a long week if you lose and it's a short week if you win because you talk shit all week, man. You got to love that. The buildup week after week after week for football pause is crazy, man. Yeah. But right now it's a good week because technically all of our teams won, even though Mike's ended in a tie, we're just waiting on yours. Technically, Mike team didn't win.

That's the fact. He was in a tie. Technically, he absolutely didn't win. Mike team capitulated. Underdog had them as the underdog. So then if you're the underdog, that means you're supposed to lose and come up under. But they did not lose and come up under. So that is a win.

You know what I'm saying? Mediocracy at his finance. I'm not celebrating meteorocracy. I'm just saying, though, that is. What I'm trying to say is, I'm being a nice bit of mediocracy because you're not even 500. You're losers.

Celebrating being under 500 and talk about, yeah, man, we pulled it off. No, Mike, it's not even a mediocrisy. You did. Get the 500 like Betha at least. And then we can have a combo, man. Come on, man. Sad just mentioned some.

She talked about Pittsburgh's schedule. She said, you know, they've been in some fights and now they get some pretty easy teams, you know, like your team, can't come. They get some easy teams to play right now. So they feel good about that. They feel good about it. And I do like that two-game Monday night thing, you know what I mean?

Yeah, me too. So that is cool because we get football all night. And so I do like that. Well, listen, and I'll say this. The biggest thing about the Steelers game against Minnesota is it was cool, but I think the biggest news was that Scarlett Thompson got robbed in Dublin. Yeah, it's crazy. Niggins think it's sweet outside them countries, man.

Be careful, man. Be very careful. Just because it say Dublin, bubbling and Dublin and all that. Be careful out there, man. And he got injured, I heard. Minor injuries, but, you know, safety, man. I wish you could heal up quick. But be careful going out of them countries.

where did they say he was did somebody rob in the streets I don't know exactly what he was but he was in Dublin after after the game I believe if I'm not mistaken but what it is right and I you know I had

I talked about this before is and I'm being more local than international sometimes you know you just hear a country and you'd be like oh it's great oh it's sweet oh man this is nothing's going to happen

they prey on a lot of tourists in a lot of towns. So be very careful with a lot of people going outside the country because paying on tourists in certain cities, the islands or so on and so forth, it's actually a business. Yeah, and they didn't release too much details. It just said that he was assaulted and robbed when he was out.

So I think it was Friday night when they first kind of arrived there and he was briefly hospitalized with minor injuries. So yeah, definitely got to be careful because that's pretty scary. Okay, so Jackson, Dart and the Giants beat the Chargers, 21 to 18. Mike, did he deliver? for his debut as you expected. When you deliver a win, then you got to win.

And yes, he absolutely delivered. He played well. And you can see, you can see, there's a little tick up with this whole football team when that kid's on the football field. And he has a comfort. He has great legs. He can really run well. They ran the ball with him.

And he made some great throw. There is no doubt. Let me tell you something right now. He's a good-looking tall white guy in New York, making throws like that, running touchdowns like that. Russ and Sierra can sing on out of town. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

I couldn't have said it better than that. I would have wanted to say that it takes place there. They could sing some whales. I think when you, even though he didn't have that many yards, he did what was necessary to win the game. That's what I'm always talking about. Like, you got to know what you need to do to win the game. Sometimes a person may say, well, he threw 400 yards,

but that's not what got the win. I'm a win by nature. So I like teams that win, and this is a great win for them. especially against the Charger, because this is a team that, you know, Killer has pumped up all this time. So I'm really looking forward to hearing what he got to say because his guy was on the other side, you know?

Killer, what you think? Justin Herbert? Yeah, I'm a big Justin Herbert fan. I really am, man. And I actually picked the Chargers to win this game. You know, when we had to take on this, actually, on Friday before we hit the weekend, what I said was that I didn't think the Harbaugh would let this kid win a game.

I thought that he would take it more personally and be like, you ain't going to get your first win on me, nigger. Not today. So for them to actually get the one, I want to give the Giants a lot of credit. And, yeah, Justin Herbert played very deep. He played decent. He didn't play like the Justin Herbert we know.

But I think it's more about what Mike said in his tape. You actually visually see it. You know, sometimes they try to hide it. You see how they're excited they are as opposed to when Russell Wilson is quarterbacking. The other, the plays are excited. Yo, Mike, did you see after the game when the game was over and the coach ran up to the nigger and hugged him

like he was his girlfriend or no more? No, no disrespect whatsoever. But he ran up, and I know it's the first one in the season, but he ran up and hugged him like it was his son. I'm like, God damn, they love this nigga. And then not only that, you see the offense moving different. It's a perk in everybody's step. Giants came in, the Giants came in second and last

and overall defense into this game. They looked like a top five defense yesterday when they were playing. And I'm like, yo, this kid brings energy to this team. Like I said, it wasn't necessarily about the yards. He was a great game manager, even though that was his first game and you say, fuck that. He was quarterbacking. 13 for 20, 11 yards.

Great win. for the Giants and especially against the undefeated charges team at the time, even though non-defeated, they had to draw, too. But I'm just saying, I think this was a good morale for the Giants. And when you get your first game, of course, you're going to be excited. But I have to agree with you, Mike. I've seen that shit, too. Why these niggins so happy?

What the fuck going on? Everybody got a punt. I'm Russell Wilson. I got an attitude with everybody. You know what they say about the ice. Yeah. Yeah. It melts slower.

Let me tell you what they said. They've been in the locker room in corners talking so much shit about Russ. Right. You see what I'm saying. Right. And they were like, I told you, poor a guy. I'm looking at him out of you. I'm telling you, that's what was going on right there.

And that kid, he brings excitement. This went down, Malik neighbors left. I mean, and you know what I'm saying? So when we look at 111 yards, he did that without the guy he's going to have. He did that without the guy he's going to have with him for years to come, for years. And now they'll grow together and he'll learn. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I got excited for New York. I was like, hey, and let me tell you, this kid here seems like he has his, you know,

he has this wit about himself. You guys have heard me be very difficult and talk about how difficult. it is for young quarterbacks in New York, you know, to survive early on and go through the beat down and learn to take the ropes and learn the ropes and everything. You got almost be kind of not present, you know, kind of like aloof, Eli and all of that stuff

to really him do it. But this kid, you know, I believe you can him do it. Yeah, and like I said, last thing is that I think, I think, When Russell Wilson, when he was departing Seattle, he was bad-mouthed in his offensive line. And I think that carried to Denver, and I'm not going to say necessarily to Pittsburgh. But I think once you publicly bad-mouth your teammates, people, they're like, yo, who knows what the fuck this nigga with the slick hair might say about me? Coming in here with the fucking top, one of the top 10 arm, black R&B.

singers, this, that, he's one of them niggas, like, pretty-ass nigger. Then he's going to talk about niggas? When he left Seattle, he left a bad taste in teammates' mouth, and I remember they was talking about that when he was going to go to Denver to the Broncos. There's like, well,

is he going to talk about us? And then we see how he departed from Denver when the coach didn't want him there. He's like, I ain't picked this, nigga. Y'all want me or him to fuck out of here. I think that I think that bad mystique travel with him, and I could be wrong. This is just Cameron's point of view.

Bad mouth in your offensive line, that is not a good thing, nigga. That's security. That's the bouncers. That's the niggas to keep you up off you, nigga. That's the niggas you bought a Rolex is for, nigga. Yeah. And I just think

the guy Jackson, go ahead. Like they were talking about, you know, like how Russ, when they split from Seattle, went to Denver, you know, you got the big deal. He was coming over with a new head coach. And Russ had that thing laid out. Russ got him

office. Yeah. Walking lots and shit. Right. All kind of thing. His teammates had to call his secretary to make a time to talk about the plays. Basically out of here. Right. You see what I'm saying. So and it's really kind of something that was coming out and people were saying,

man, and that's the real thing. That's why when Coach Payton got there, that's the first thing he said. Boy, we're going to uproot all of this. You know what I mean? We got to uproot all of this. and get some stability back in this building. So I thought that's why.

And I got on him one time, Sean Payton, when he was, remember when he yelled? Yeah, I ain't like that shit. Yeah, I ain't like that shit, neither. Yeah, I didn't either. It looked gracious. And I said, you ain't never argue. I ain't never see a yell at Drew Brees like that.

I took it all kind of ways. I don't know you yell at Drew Brees. Right. You see what I'm saying. Right. But that man was yelling at a lot of things. Did Joe think he can come over here and run, run the whole front office.

He doesn't understand that he's going to lose the locker room and have problems. And now, man, you're playing basketball in the NFL because you got to bounce out of New York, just like you bounce out of Denver. Right. Just going to keep bouncing. Yeah. Journey, man. Yeah.

Okay. Super, super, super quick before we wrap because we had this discussion last week and I said I would ask Mike, so I'm going to ask you really, really quick. Mike, if you had just signed a $200 million contract, right, and you had a girlfriend and she had a new spot that she liked but it was out of her price range would you split the rent with her or no hold on real quick hold on before mike answer that question because I've seen a lot of people

mad at you saying you're not asking the question the right way they're saying that he wasn't even living there okay and he was paying half the rent I didn't know that last week when we was talking did you know that no but that my answer still stands yeah but he wasn't even living there but yeah he shouldn't have been Mike would you split the rent or no No, I'm not going to split it.

Okay. I'm going to pay a full rent. I'm going to pay a full rent. You see what I'm saying. There you go. Come on. Oh, my. A lot of a time to edit.

Do not edit it. Mike, they're not letting you tap no more. It's all the time. It's all the time. It's all the time. My philosophy holds true. My philosophy holds true. You know, I'd rather pay rent on the front end than lawyer bills on the vacuum.

You see what I'm saying? We go stay tight like that. Rent going to be $2,000, $3,000 a month. Lawyer bills are going to be $2,000 an hour. That's a lot different right now, brother. We'll go on the month. You see what I'm saying? Even your dog is sniffing around you.

He knows that's not good. I can't make this stuff, Mike. They're on to you, Mike. Yeah, that's interesting, though, because everybody definitely had a different perspective and now even knowing they weren't living together, I think all of our answers still stand with what we had to. No, because I'm going to be honest with you.

And it varies. It's levels of chicks. Yeah. How much? How much is he over there, don't know. No, no, what I'm saying is this. I want to be tapping to tap. That's the-

That's the question. Is she the main shit? Is she the chick that you just like because y'all both like the Sopranos and Wu-Tang Clan? Is she like the chick that you just go see when there's nothing else to do? What's the level of girlfriend of this? Because, yeah, I agree with Mike.

If I, like me, I need a stash house. If shit get ugly, yo, I got somewhere to go. If you're working, and you know I got other chicks, yeah, okay, I don't do your thing.

See, my thing is this, and I thought about this too, and this has nothing to do with the run-in-knit-statt or murder or whatever. This is my philosophy, because sometimes females get emotional if I stop picking the phone up for them. If every, real talk, P, they get emotional,

they get crazy because I don't want to pick the phone up. If every time we were together, and I'm talking about dozens of times, if every time we was together and it was time for you to leave and I offered you money and you took it, I have the right never to pick up when I don't want to pick up.

It was a business deal at the end of that. If you take money sometime, I came here. If you took money every single time, I offered it. Don't get mad if I get emotional. That was the end of it. That's a little bit off topic, but I just had to say that.

Oh, it's okay. One last thing before we saw. You do remember. You're asking me, will I help pay extra rent? I had the White House. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'll take it.

So, yeah. You see what I'm saying. Right. But that was yours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Imagine this. You pay rent for two years and then y'all get to argument. You want to come over. You'd be like, not now. No. Your name's not on this lease.

I thought, man, yeah. Don't let your camera go out, Mike. I want to provide a place. I want to provide a safe place for everybody to have safe fun. That's what I want to do. This sounds like Mike, this sounds like Mike making a pitch to somebody he knows right now. This all got nothing to do with the show. This sounds like

You won't get a safe place It's a safe place This sounds like Mike making the picture Anybody I deal with It's going to be in a safe place All right Right

Right I play maker Yeah The dude was helping her out Yeah I'm definitely going to end By asking you more Pop culture questions

Because I love to get your perspective But that is all the time That we have for today Y'all Mike You know it's always a pleasure to have you on the show Joe. Yeah.

Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. And it's always a pleasure to come on, especially after, you know, and the game we just had. Oh, there you go, right on top. There we go. Thank y'all for watching.

And as always, it is what it is. What you want, nigger, everything nigger super size, too big necks, like when they doing them two for five.