IT IS WHAT IT IS - SHYNE LIVE IN STUDIO!

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

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Welcome back to It Is What It is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stap Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. Killer was good, man. It was good, man. We got special guests in the house today as well. Yes. We do, y'all. Today we got a special guest, as Cam said, he was a former bad boy rapper,

and has made a shift to politics and served as the leader of the opposition in the Belizeian House of Representatives, holding the position from February 22 to March 2025. He also has a documentary out called the Honorable Shine, Introducing Shine. Sean, what's good? Shine from Belize. Pleasure to be here. Hey, hey.

Smoking trees in Belize. It's good, man. This is fire. This is, yo, two bad boy legends. It's crazy. I want to say, can I mind if I say it off? Yeah. What happened with Brandy and everything?

Let's just do it. Listen, let's do it. We're dealing with Brandy. Okay, let me switch my glass. You know what happened. You were dating Brandi at one time, or y'all was just, how'd it go? I was special, you know? He came in and wanted to be special.

So I had to let him be special, you know. No lie's told. He was Shaq. Okay. He was the champion. He was the MVP. I was Kobe, no pun intended, because they said Kobe was a special friend of Brandy's as well. But no pun intended, but I was coming out of high school

on the championship team, and he was the superstar of the team. But I definitely did want to be special. I definitely, you know, but I had no idea. So what happened is we had a mutual friend who was a snitch. So I'm not, I think he know who it is. I'm not going to expose him. So I was so excited because this is my dream. I'm a dream person.

Right. Talk about Brandy. Brandy. Right. Poor kid, Brooklyn, watching MTV, watching Moesha, watching her on BET. And, you know, as a dream, I'm like, man, if I ever, if she was to no shot, I got that.

Right. So when I came up, she was in the cross ears. Like, I was sniping. Right. And yeah, I had no idea, though. I had no idea, though, because he was special. So he was running that playbook so discreetly, so quietly, I had no idea. Yeah, he's sneaky.

He was a ultra sniper. But I was so excited. So I kept telling one of our mutual friends, and he was snitching me out. And then so Brandi was like, yo, who you told you here? How so-and-so know that you here with me right now? And I'm like, oh, man. Right. So yeah.

That's what's up. You're gonna elaborate? That's my story. What I'm alive, right? No, that's what's up. Also, it's like, it's a lot of history. So I remember Mace helped me get my deal at entertainment. And I was the first artist.

Thank you again. You and Biggie, thank you so much. I got my deal in entertainment. And me and Charlie Baltimore was the first artist at Entertainment. And they was like, yo, we're thinking about signing this kid named Sean. I'm like, you know when you're the first artist there, you're like, who these niggil?

Who's, what you mean, new niggas is coming in? And I remember, you was in the studio, I don't remember I went, because I really wasn't on the business side of entertainment. I was more just the artist, and I knew they was, you know, it's a label, you're trying to bring new artists in. I remember you and I'm going back and forth in the studio. How did you not do the deal with,

and end up getting with Bad Boy? Because a lot of people, and we discussed this on talk with Fleet, but you know, it's a different audience. People say you had the same cadence as biggie. So how did you end up doing the deal with bad boy? How did it go? I remember that studio session, the hit factory. Yes, yep.

And you know, he was like, yeah, you're nice, you dope. But he was hitting me with the one two. That's Cam's your right shoulder off. To try to bring my value down as a negotiation tactic in my view. But for me, I think, You know, people got to be honest to history. And if you look at history and you're gonna have any integrity in your reflection,

there was no label like Bad Boy at the time. Puff was like Michael Jackson, you know, Mace was like, I don't wanna say Prince, but you know, whatever other superstar, like it was a bunch of superstar big was, you know, the biggest thing. It was just a label of superstars. Right. So as a young kid,

looking at what you aspire to be, those were the people. Right. Right. So it's like, as I said, coming out of high school, wanting to play for a championship team, that was the championship team. Right.

So it really wasn't a question. It was just a matter of time. And I always had my heart set there. But entertainment wasn't really a consideration because he was just trying to do something. So he had a hype. He had a hype off of BIG and, you know, what Sees did with the crush on you and Mafia did.

You know, those are some great records. But Bad Boy was Bad Boy. Right. Puff was Puff. Mace was Mace. Right. B.I. was B.I. Like, who wouldn't want to play for that team? Right. So I always had my mind, set, but Puff had hit me with the same thing where it was like, yeah, you could rap, but you know,

I got to teach you how to make hits. And, you know, Mark Pitts had put me on the phone with him and we had talked, but he wasn't really chasing me down, as I always tell people, it wasn't until Chris Lighty, God bless his soul. Yeah. Because I think I spoke to Puff maybe in like September. And he was like, yeah, you nice, yeah, yeah, yeah. but everybody kind of fell back. But when I went to see Chris Lidey in December,

Chris Liddy put in the dat tape. Back then there was dat tapes of this new producer by the name of Swiss beats. And he was like, go ahead. And our moon walked all over the beat and he just went crazy, took me in the Lear office, and that was it. I think he called Puff and was like,

yo, I got something for you. Because I think as competitors, they all know each other. And, you know, as I said, bad boy was, everybody was losing, 72-0 for the season. Right. Yeah. When you got the bad boy, what was your experience like just getting, okay, so we got the process of how you got there.

When you first got there, what was your experience like? Like I said, when I thought you was coming entertainment, I didn't want to be friendly. You know what I'm saying? Was it open, welcome arms with the other artists? Did you get shunned a little bit? How did your first experience just getting with the label feel and how to start off?

I mean, for me, it was all love. I think I was a little bit rough around the edges. I never forget when, because initially I was signing to Def Jam. Russell, Chris, everybody came out to L.A. I think it was so trained. and I was ready at the Mahalana State crib. I was ready to sign with Puff, but they came to the crib for a party.

And I was like, yo, I'm gonna just go with them and tell them, you know, just out of respect, I never came back. Because, you know, we was talking about, you know, those bags. Right. And the way they ran it up. Right. It was quick, because I just kept asking Matt Middleton,

well, ask him for this. Ask them for that. He was never going to get that mask them. And they just gave me everything. But then when we came back, I was at the St. Regis. And I just woke up one day. And as I said, I knew myself. I wasn't a CEO at the time.

I didn't have all I needed to have to run a conglomerate. Right? So I wanted to be in that framework of a championship team and learn. Yeah. And then become everything that I became and I just woke up one day and called him and say, yo, let's do the deal with Puff.

But I went to, um, they was on a no way out tour. And for me it was always love. Like murder was always love. Seas was always love. Faith, everybody, everybody was always love. Right. Wasn't until that little, um,

California situation. And then that, it wasn't even anything between me and murder. It was more puff. Like, yo, what are you? doing. You're crazy. You can't do that. But me and Mace became real cool. Right. Now, Mace tells us all the time how, you know,

that's why we really, like, Mace, I don't know who he likes. If anything, Mace took me under the wing, because, you know, he had been through so much. I was alluding to that guy. Yeah, and, you know, he had the whole blueprint, he was like, y'all, have a seat. No, that's what I was alluded to. I was like, to you. Mace, I don't really know a lot of people he likes. So when he

when he's like, nah, I got to be there. Listen, I'm not going to name people who've been on this show. He just brushes off, but he really was persistent to make sure that you guys were in the studio together. So I was like, damn, somebody that Mace

actually looks at it. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. You know what I'm saying? From Lottie, from Lottie days, HUD, rest in peace. Yeah, that's That's what, you know, when Mace tells me a story, because we just like, how did shine get the name Sean Po? And I asked Mace this, and he's like, because Mace, look, even though this is like

my best friend, this niggas just so, he got to be in the mood. He's one word. So I said, one word, you to death, two words. I say, yo, how do you get the name Sean Paul? He said, nigger, hud, man. So I'm like, what do you mean the nigger? He says, I got him in Atlanta.

Next thing I know, he was Sean, and he's supposed to be down here with me. He said, we're on the elevator. I'm thinking me and how are you getting off the elevator. He's talking about y'all and I'm going with Po. I'm looking at the HUD, talking about, what you mean?

What are you doing? When you hit you with murder? What? One. Uno. He hit you with the Uno. So, when he was celebrating. me this and elaborating this shit to me.

I'm like, he got some love for you. But murder, so murder says it's Poe that you, Lottie and HUD. But murder said you was talking about it was a girl. He said, come on, Sean, now. I don't know about the girl. It was Po. No. Because he sees you on my show.

I think I might, I think I might have to name drop. Okay. So you know Wap, it was Wap. Yeah, Trey Wap. Trey Wap. That was Alpo's. girlfriend. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you ain't know that? No, I didn't know. I knew that, but I ain't know she called. Yeah. Her and Rallo. Yeah. Cohen, we call O'Rallo, Rhonda,

that whole crew, they used to hang out with Alpo. She's not to trade while my relationship ain't been the same since I ain't signed with her, man. It was like, no. Now I'm just saying it was. That was my home girl,

Rala was my home girl, and so they used to be with Alpo. Right. Like, so, you know, she was like, y'all. No, I was saying that, I understood what you were saying. I'm saying I was supposed to sign Traywop at Columbia or when I didn't go. We was cool because Mace was bringing me along. So when Mace was becoming the superstars, I was right underneath him and Paws, you know, I don't even know if people thought I was nice enough.

I was just Mace man. And you know how that go when you Mace, he the nigger next to them. so let's just figure it out. And I ain't going to lie, man. I told Wob, I need the keys to your crib. I need the CLK key keys. She's like, you're going to sign with me? I'm like, if you show love.

You know? Like, none sexual, just all as a 19-year-old kid with nothing abusing the situation. That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, man. That's what I did. Words.

So. I never forget, you know, confession. of fire. Classic. I never forget. That's just when I was about to sign. You was, I think you signed like End of 97. Yes. But beginning this. You put out Confessions of Fire like either end the 97. No, February. I put out in 98, but the singles came out in 97. February 98. Yeah. Yeah, classic. I'm going to listening to that in California while we was doing the deals. No, I appreciate him. Yeah. So we both know you guys were signing a bad boy.

Mace left the game. You, you know, you were still there. For people, you know, we taught, like I said, we talked about a few things, so pardon me if we reiterate some questions. Do you think your relationship with Puff became too much as a friend and not a business partner?

And maybe that's why the situation that you got in was because you didn't look at them as an executive or a business partner or more as, okay, we're doing business, so you're also my friend. For those that don't know, because we know we do sports, you could Google all the facts, but Sean went to jail for 10 years,

got deported for a quote-unquote shootout from somebody, and Puff was there, J-Lo, so on and so forth. But you kind of got blamed for that. And the question I guess I'm asking you is you were there with Puff, and you didn't say anything towards Puff and we're not actually saying anything now. But do you think y'all too got too, too friendly as a friendship

or that's just how you looked at it while maybe that situation may have happened. Well, initially, Puff and I weren't friends at all. Okay. You know, because when I came to the label, you know, I'm a Brooklyn kid. So I got that, you know,

Brooklyn, Vietnam attitude. I was sleeping at the 35th Street crib with the shotgun under the mattress. Like, I was still, traumatized from how I grew up in Brooklyn. So I'm always someone trying to eat my food and I got to make sure no one eats my food. And then, you know, I started thinking

I'm the CEO, a bad boy. I'm like, you know, what's the difference between me and Puff? What made you say that? I just my attitude, like wherever I go, I'm an alpha, so I feel like I'm supposed to be him not really understanding the process of becoming him, right? So I get to that part.

But, like, I was so wild with it. That's when you was in Atlanta. I was taking out his joints, puff joints. Like, his main joints end up being his baby mother type joint. And he wasn't happy about that. So, like, he wasn't messing with me at all. Like, yeah, don't put him in the studio for him over there. Matter of fact, one of y'all want to buy him.

his contract, like, get him up out of here. He's too much. And I go back to Brandy. So that was the whole 98 after I signed. I'm just AWOL. I'm doing whatever I want to do.

I'm not messing with nobody. I think I'm him. I'm popping Chris style. You know, Gucci Parker, Alpo. You know, parking the 600 outside, just leaving it open and come back and get it tomorrow. Right. Right? And then at the end of the year, so I was friends with a rap diva.

You know, she sold a couple million records too. And somehow her and Brandy got into something related to me. So Brandy hit me and she's like, yo, you know, blah, blah, blah, who you think you are. Like you're nobody. You ain't sell no records like you not, you don't got emotion like that in essence, right? Right. And that really devastated me because she was right. Like I hadn't sold any records, and it's been a year.

And all I'm doing is getting dressed up every day, looking fly, sniping. But where the record's at? Where's my number ones? Where's my classic album? And I just had an epiphany. And so I went to puff right after the new year, and I was like, listen, man, you got the Holy Grail, you know?

I need the blueprint. Let's work. And so it really started from business, CEO, him being Phil Jackson, and me wanting to get into the game and, you know, become the MVP of the team, but understanding that, you know, I got to come to practice.

You know, I might have to give all the superstars water. I might have to, you know, go through the process to become him. So it was really business, but then I'm loyal. So, you know, under any circumstances, if I'm there with my comrades and someone is trying to hurt one of us,

I'm going to defend you, I'm going to defend myself. But it really was business. I appreciated that because it wasn't a friendship before. Right. Yeah. So, Mace, let me ask you a question real quick. Sean said you took him, like, in, so to speak, or like befriended them, which you don't,

they're not friendly with a lot of people. Why, Sean, did you feel like you need to befriend him or tell them whatever you need to tell them? Yeah, when Sean first came to the labor, it's interesting because his story is kind of different than mine. Like, I remember I met Sean. I don't know if you were there. I'm trying to get the story right.

I was at this party with, we was all, were you at the Clyde Davis party? that, um... Grammy party, as usual. It was like the writers, the writers party. I think... The party that he had during Grammy week?

Yeah, yeah. So we're at the, we was at the party. I want to make sure I get the right, um, facts straight, because I like that statement that he stated. Um,

and Puff was trying to put us against each other, you know, you know, using the old Jedi, you know, I got this new artist coming. I said, Paul, listen. Once in the lifetime,

you know, I wait another lifetime. Nigger, it's good. So he's telling you about Sean. I'm like, yeah, I hear you, but, you know, I'm just super arrogant at the time. Like, I hear you. So we kind of think in the same way.

And it just seemed like when Sean got there was like, you know, I ruled for the underdog. So everybody was kind of like trying to go against Sean, right? So when I'm, this is my understanding of Sean. He could clarify. First, the first time I heard of Sean, we was just talking. The next time it was a car accident,

the next time niggas was trying to jump you in the studio, you know, so I remember, you know, my brain, I remember everything. Niggas tried to jump shine in the studio. Junior Mafia tried to jump. Okay, we talked, you talked about that a little bit. Yeah, so then we get the land up, me and Sean. We first singing out.

Sean gets off the elevator I don't know if you remember that shine you know neither is wearing white tea Sean got blood all on his white teeth I'm like your Sean what happened you know Sean

and beat the security guard up he beat Pop's security guard up you remember I said yeah Sean what's good then said nah man this nigger was out of pocket

man so we think everybody's coming downstairs Oh, yeah, everybody's coming down and stairs to see who it was. Right. It was a security guard, so that thing,

a Puff is really tight because Sean beat his security up. He was like 6'6. Yeah, a nigga like 6, 6. But it was in the elevator, so you know it's who'd get off first. So we come down and everybody lost respect for all Puff security.

You're like, yo, you got all this beat you. We're not respecting nothing. We're on our own. So that's why when he was saying, he felt like the CEO. That's the backstory of him feeling like the CEO. You beat the nigger security up. You got the nigger girl.

Hey, I mean, it's kind of what he said. Right. So that was the whole thing for me. And watching them, you know, coming, I knew he had his style. I knew he had talent. I knew. And I knew he had the thing that we have, right, killer?

Like, it don't matter who's in the room. Right. We know we that nigger. Right. Like, most artists don't have that. So it was, that was rare to find that and most Brooklyn niggas, because even to this day, I don't know a Brooklyn nigger that got it. With all the niggas we know.

Because, like, the way he has that we have, killer is that, and I like when niggas tell the truth, because I don't. don't have no problem with the truth. Other niggas would see us, but still be kind of intimidated, even though they got more than us. Yeah. You can feel it that.

Nigel, you just owe me because you got more money than me. You know if I get half of that money, nigga. Right. You know it's current. So he had that too. So I felt a need to do with him, pause what Big did with me.

He gave me all of the plays of how to move around these niggas so you can get the way you gotta go. And that's really is my son's story when it comes to shine. Do you think, I think, as far as the clarification, I think murder's 100%.

But when I started, I think it was love. Yeah. But then, you know, the arrogance as far as, you know, that was like, yo, this dude, this. So initially everybody was like, yeah. But then after a while, like, yo, let's do. I think I caused a lot of that karma on myself

because I was running around, you know, young, dumb, fuller. Right. Do you think that people, when you say, Junimani or whoever, do you think that people at the label felt like, even though he passed away R.P., he was trying to replace big because maybe we talked about his cadence and we talked about this on other show that, it's just the way he talks, or the way he talks,

the way he talks or the way he raps. He wasn't trying to be anybody. You could hear the way he's talking now. Do you think that people felt that? Because I remember being in the entertainment and Un was like, nigger kind of nigger trying to sound just like Biggie. Hey, look what Puff doing.

You know, they're blaming it on Puff. Do you think people at Bad Boy felt that way as well? Yeah, no. I think initially everybody felt that because you gotta remember big dots. So it's like, Sean was almost like, to me, the first time I heard FAB, right? And I'm thinking, like, what is he doing?

Like, you know, because at that time, you had never heard anybody that sounded remotely close to somebody. But then when you, and I use FAB as an example, because after it, you're like, nah, this niggas fire. Right. Right? Like, you got to give it up. If a nigger fire, he fired.

It's just that simple. And even though a person can start with your cadence, they can grow into something that that's much different, that's theirs. And that's what I saw it as. So at first, it was, it was, it was a lot. It was a lot because I was in the studio with Big. So when I heard, when I first heard Sean, I was like, what's pub doing? Like, you know, I was one of those people too.

Like, what is he doing? But when I met him, I was like, nah, he's going to, he's going to be good. But then when I heard the record, when I first heard the record, his first single, I was like, oh, yeah, he gets it. Right. Yeah. And for the record, you know, Seas is my God. Yeah.

He's going to be in Brooklyn May 2nd. Right. Rock, you know, B.K. Rube. Right. Everybody. Real quick, so let's real quick put the pass on Porge for a second. Tell us what you got going on right now since we bought it up, what you have going on in the moment.

Oh, man. Besides just leaving the studio, with Dr. Dre yesterday. Okay. You know, creating some classics. You name dropping Dr. Drake. Tell us everything so we don't have to say, why was you in the studio with Dr.

Drey? Oh, man. Besides being in the studio. Hey, man. Tell us. You got some guys out here, cap and saying that they got Dre records, but they wasn't in the studio with Dre.

They got, might have some throw ways. So you get back in the music, what you're saying? I remember we did that on talk with, all right, that's right, that's right, that's right. Right. That's what I'm saying. Let everybody. Yeah, so we, you know, I lost my seat in the House of Representatives in actually a year, exactly, March 12th, 2025.

And when I lost my seat, I didn't expect to lose my seat. You know, I was completely committed to Belize and developing Belize and serving the people of Belize and giving the young shines, boys and girls, opportunities, et cetera. But when I lost my seat, I said, all right, well, how am I going to speak? spend my time over the next couple of years until we have elections again. And I said, you know, private sector. I want to do some resorts and restaurants. We're going to do Brooklyn Chop House in Belize.

You know, Don Poo is my partner. Everybody knows Brooklyn Chop House. And I said, you know, I had been talking about making new albums while I was in parliament. But I just didn't have the bandwidth. So like when we put out the Honorable Shine, the Hulu document, I just didn't have the bandwidth

and I didn't want to release a project that wasn't classic shine. Like if it's not gonna sound as good as the Shine album or the Godfather Buried a Live album, then I'm not gonna do it, right? So I just didn't have the space, but now with these three years, I said, all right, I could make those albums, right?

And then the way that I had it visualized is an album for the documentary, an album for the TV series, an album for the motion picture about my life, right? So instead of a soundtrack, just new albums, having that conversation. And then I wrote all the producers I wanted to write with. So I put Dr. Dre, Swiss Beats, Timberland, Riza, Farrell,

hit boy, DJ Premier, alchemist, list goes on. Jermaine Dupree. And I just started, going around to each state or wherever they are just popping up and getting it done like that, right?

And so I was very, very fortunate. I mean, Dre is Dre. There's, you know, as you said, once in a lifetime, I think it's going to be a few more lifetimes before we get another Dre. And I'd never met Dre. And all that time, I'd never met him. But I knew I had a vision

that was number one on my list. And once I got that record, done and made that connection, everything else would flow. And so I came to California in October of last year, in October. And I went on Big Boys show, and I was like, listen, I wanted to meet Dre. And a few days later, I got to see Dre and the rest of history. That's what's up. You know, it's like, and this is just me.

But I got Swiss. Right. Woo. Right. You got that Who kid. I got Timberland. So I got. Yeah.

Frisa. The lineup is alchemist, a hip boy. The lineup is incredible. Right. Yeah. Now, what I was going to say, murder is just that, because people, you know, and it's dope because people,

luckily, to still be allowed to see it's like, a bad boy artist working with a death row artist or aftermath artists. Like, when we're up here, I don't get my seat up nobody. Maybe Michael Irving, because he's up here. But I let Snoops in the seat

because I thought the picture of Snoop and Mace at this desk for our brand was just big. I sat in the seat to cheering because people don't know the history and people don't know what actually. Yeah, you're not supposed to ever see them together. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's why I don't get my seat up, but that was, to me, that's what I saw when I was looking at it, you know what I'm saying?

And if you look back at that show, I didn't say much, right? Yeah, so a little back, When we did the show in LA at No Way Out, I didn't come out. Right. Because Drey and Snoop was up there. So in my mind, psychologically, it was like, yo, what this niggins doing? Right. They're like, yo, Mays ain't coming out.

May said he's not coming out. If you go back and look at the show, I didn't come out, kill it. I mean, you know how I am. Yeah, but what show are you referring to? And the No Way Out, not the No Way Out, the Reunion Tour. Okay, that's about the same year. The last show was in the forum. Right.

But when he brings out Dr. Dre and Snoop, I don't come on stage. Right. I stayed in the back. Everybody else came on stage. And people probably didn't recognize it because it was so many people on stage. I was like, yo, what this niggis is doing, bro?

Right. Because to me, this is how it feels to me and I, that's why I love that you went first because I didn't want to change your statement. Right. But for me, it's like, somebody killed you, man. You pop up on stage with him.

I know I go to church, but sometimes my brain just, it just recollects things that I can't reason in myself. Like, and that's the part of me that I think makes me different. Like, I just, like, how? Right. Like, but he shouldn't have that sentiment

because he wasn't there with Big. So him and Dr. Dre makes sense. For me, it's like, nah, nigger. Like, we good. Like, stay over there, we good. But nah, nigger, like, you know, you know what happened. Like, I don't know. And that's just, am I wrong for thinking that way?

That's how I think. No, that's great enough. You know, most people feel like that behind the scenes, but they'll never say that on the scene. Me, I've always been a person like, bro, that's how I feel. They're like, yo, Mace, the mic is on. Nika, I know the mic is on. That's why I said it.

Right. So just so I know, you're basically saying that even if it wasn't the person. Yeah, even if it wasn't, you was part of it. You were there, Nick. Right, you were there. When they was talking crazy, you was there. Right. Right.

They act like you wasn't there. But then later on, the way I rationalized being up here with Snoop is that I would see him with Puff. I would see them, you know, I'm at the Crip show. So Snoot was like different than everybody else to me. Gotcha. You know, so that's why to me is like Uncle Snoop, because Snoop was also hanging out with Big. But the whole idea of nigger, we coming together.

And let this be a message to the kids out there, right? If you're going to come together, don't wait to everybody get killed to come together. Like when I see people, you know, hanging out, it's like, bro, if you was going to do that, you ain't have to go to jail. You could have just met with him. and met in the club and chilled the first time instead of all these people getting killed and they're hanging out.

Because if your little brother get killed, you're not going to be feeling that that they now hanging out together. That's weird. That's a fact, absolutely. That's really weird. So I got a lot of good questions, but I... Yeah.

I don't know when you want to talk. Yeah. No, I was letting you go because I know my questions would kind of like shifted everything, but I wanted those questions asked. No, because sometimes you don't talk Then you snoop come up there.

You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Yeah. Even when he was talking about music, I thought this was a good question because me, I've been through some of the, not the same things, but when you have this whole other life, now you begin to do music, how do you think that that affects that side of life? Like, you got this entity of Sean, right? And there's this amazing artist.

but then you have this whole other life that doesn't correlate with the same. I think it does actually. When you hear the Dre record, yeah, I'm not talking as 19-year-old shine. I'm not having that same conversation. I'm having the conversation that we're having now. That's good. And you could still be fly.

You could still have your bop. Like, you know, you said some, you know, I haven't heard you tell a lie yet, right? Yeah. Like, you said it. We, the reason we get along, because it don't matter who in the room. Yeah.

Like, we, him, like, we, you know, there's a few people that got that. And we. And you feel comfortable because you know it's not, he don't feel no way. It's always me. That's our killer is. Like, we know we think this is.

Yeah, it's just me. So I'm saying, I have never lost. that. That has just been repurpose to being him is carrying everybody on my shoulders. Being him is lifting Belize up and taking that to a $300 billion GDP. Being him is changing the lives of Belizeans forever. And what better way to do that than to be working with a Dr. Dre than to be up here with my brothers who got all emotion right now

in the media space. And then if you go back to hip hop, Raqam wasn't killing nobody, shooting nobody on these records, and he made the greatest hits. If you go to Bob Molly, nobody was tougher. Nobody risked his life. Bob Molly got shot up in the studio.

His records was made with blood, sweat, and tears literally, literally, and he was fighting against forces that some say actually took him out. And his music hit you in your gut. But he wasn't talking about genocide. He wasn't talking about selling poison to your people. And I'm not condemning those conversations. I'm just saying I could be the political leader

and talk that talk. And it's going to be, it's exciting for me to get that Swiss beat. and to get that Rizze beat and that Timberland beat and then to have that. Because why do I need the sound like anybody else is out? That's what we was talking about outside. Yeah.

It was like, yo, killer, who's the new us? Right. Who got the motion? He's like, nobody. Yeah, because I was saying, so what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna cut you up, because I want you to elaborate and just amaze.

Yeah. Sean made a great point is that I was explaining to him our circumstances as far as the offers we get and just like I'll be like, now, but this for late 90s, early 2000, it's a lot of offers. And what Sean was saying, just elaborate to the audience, some back story to what you're talking about.

And ain't nobody doing this no more. You know what I'm saying? Even the new niggers is not doing this. And as you get older, your fans get older. Go ahead, I just want to be context. Yeah, they need a new story. Right. And that is just like you being here, like,

I'm underdressed today. You know, You go, you do the suit. Sometimes, you know, you might switch it up and do the fitted. I remember when y'all did the show with the suit and the fitted, where he was doing trial.

So I think hip hop is transcendental. From the beginning, we've been, you know, espians, we've been multi-faceted. Yeah, so there is no pocket I need to be in other than the pocket of integrity. And I'm excited for everybody to hear how I'm gonna talk that talk without trying to be anybody that's out because I never wanted to be anybody.

So that's when whenever you talk about the cadence and the similarities, if you go back to the shine album, what I say, you know, similarities in the voice, you know, check the words, I'm influential to those who pitch birds from the curb, dodging and dipping the knocks. It's the young Frank Matthews, the rap version. Like, I was always trying to be me. I was never trying to be anyone else,

and I'm not, you know, dodging and dipping the knocks now. Yeah. I'm, you know, fighting people that may have been government agencies. Yeah. That, you know, refus is working for, right? Yeah, but I'm just saying there's a way to have that album conversation without me trying to be shined in 1999. Let me ask you this.

Yeah. I want to make sure, because Maysler's a lot, just because I just want to allow it this. Are you going to, and I not. understood everything you said. Yeah. When you're doing some of these songs, are you going to be like, well, I used to do this

or used to do that. Everything about what you're doing now. Yeah. Because what I do is, and I listen to Mallison or the clips. Yeah. And he's in the church. But he knows the way he does it is clever. Yeah.

To where he's saying, so and so and so I used to whip Coke. But now I'm the so-and-so, and God got me to. ghosts. So it's like he does it to where he says what he used to do to what he's doing now, but he's clever the way he does it. Are you going to visit anything that you used to do to correlate it to what you do now as far as writing is concerned? I'm sure there'll be reflections, but I'm telling you the present and the projection is so fly. Like, what is

flyer than empowering people? Like, what's flyer than being an example for urban people? brown and African and all types of people because hip hop doesn't even have ethnicity attached to it anymore. I'm the model for youth everywhere, no matter color, no matter background. And I'm leading a global transition as to what we're supposed to be. We're not supposed to be a freeway wiki anymore.

We're not supposed to be Alpo and Harry O. anymore. We're supposed to be president. and prime ministers. Like you, they would never imagine you guys that have a show talking about sports. But we always shatter glass ceilings. And what I'm saying is moving forward. Nobody has broken more barriers than hip-hop artists.

And so legislating, shaping policy, creating societies, to me, that's the new talk. That's the new fly. That's what I'm selling to my people. instead of selling poison. So I'm more interested in having an adult contemporary conversation. Like, I don't need to be NBA young boy or any of these young kids. Like, I appreciate them and I love their art.

But I think there's a space for me to be me, and there's nobody like me right now. That's really good. I was thinking about that because killer often listen to music I've done. He's told me that I should do music. but when I think about it, I think minds is more from the space of everything I've been through that you don't know about. Like, so everybody has this perception

of what happened to Mace. Yeah. But Mace knows what happened to Mace. Everybody else knows what somebody told them happened to Mace, but only Mace was really there. You know what I'm saying? Everybody got different pockets of what they saw, but nobody was really there.

So you're saying the reason would be a retrospective? Yeah, to be able to tell what happened. And then listen, when it comes, when it comes. Hold on real quick. Mace is, listen, man, what he do is this. I tell him, just don't sign me the music. But the shit hot. Shit crazy.

To me, right now, no cap, no nothing. If I don't know this, nigga, he would be top three right now. I'm talking about we were in the studio the other day. He played 78 songs and told me to pick three. I said, yo, Mace, I didn't know where he was. picking songs. I'm talking about this niggas is good. Yeah. And so, you know, me too. We'll get in the groove to we're like, all, we're going to do music, then they'll just get that. But they don't send me a song.

No, this conversation was good because he put it in perspective for me, because I was looking forward to this conversation for that reason, because I feel the same way. Like, I have another life that has nothing to do with hip hop, right? That I do very, very well at. But sometimes I feel like they clash, but what you were saying gave a lot of clarity to that. Because there's no box for hip hop. Hip hop can be anything. You just got to be dope. Yeah.

You got to be fly. And I don't mean fly in the sense of whatever people thought was fly, but it's the energy. You said something very important as to why we connected because we think we, we have a certain level of, a level of convictions and a level of confidence in our aura. And what I'm saying is you can translate that in whatever content. You just got to find the right beats make great music. And I go back to Bob Marley. Who made more hits than Bob Marley?

He made hits. So he wasn't just singing about the oppressor. He wasn't just singing about, you know, slavery and colonialism. It was hits. It sounded good. That's why we love Bob Marley. Right? So for me, whatever conversation you're having,

you got to have it over that Swiss beats. And we was talking about getting the throwaways. Right. And getting the smashes. I've been getting the smashes. So I got three puff questions for you. I got to ask you that I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't. People say, you're amazed.

You ain't asked them nothing about puff. So this is why I wanted to be here. I said, you know what? I want to ask Sean this because Killer always talk about me. But Sean just said he lived at Puff House too. And you know what? I heard that and I don't like the way that went. I don't like Pope was throwing.

y'all in that townhouse on 35th Street. I didn't want to say nothing. I heard what he said he had to shotgun. I'm like, is that the same 35th Street that makes me stand that? Everybody lives in the 35th Street, Chris. Mark Curry lived in the 35th Street. No, me or may be having our own. Yeah, we just be joking back and forth.

So I wanted to ask you one question, I mean, three questions. The first one is that by the time you were going to, going to court, you and Puff is going to court together. Did you ever think that, how can I put this? Do you ever think that being in music would have put you in that situation with Puff? Absolutely not. I was trying to get away from the streets. And I think Puff was living a fantasy.

He was chasing a fantasy of the streets, right? because that's not him. You know, he's from middle-class background. He didn't grow up the way I grew up from my understanding, my research, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Right? But I felt that, you know, he was chasing something

that I was running away from. And I didn't understand that when I signed. I thought that, you know, I thought my dreams came true and I was, you know, living in heaven on earth. So I definitely didn't imagine that I would ever end up in that situation. And I was just defending myself. Even when people, even when the lady says that Puff shot her.

Yeah, they say you didn't. You didn't do it. Do it. I wouldn't, to this day, I wouldn't say that if he did shoot her, he didn't do that on purpose. There were people trying to kill us. We weren't the aggressors that night. You know, Skar and all the goons that he was with were trying to kill us.

They literally witnesses said when he was, was like, I'm going to kill you. He looked me in my eyes, said, I'm going to kill you, and then someone next to him drew a weapon, and that's when I tried to defend myself. Who else drew a weapon and who shot who, you know, I don't necessarily recall, but we were all defending ourselves. So, but I never imagined that what I was running away from would find me after I spent that whole 99 atoning for all the negative energy, all the bad karma, all of, you know, pop diva hearts that I broke and rap divas hearts that I broke, I didn't think it would catch up with me 99.

So when you, as your, as your case is separated, because I could only imagine if me and it's not me, but somebody ain't somebody that's cool, get in court and they separate the cases, and it goes the way your case goes. Yeah. What makes you, what makes you after experiencing all of that, the jail time and everything, what puts you back with Puff? Yeah. I think, you know, I was in Jerusalem and I was having a spiritual journey.

And holding on to those things can be a cancer. It's like even right now, obviously, you have to do your job as a journalist. And you have to ask these questions. And I think it's only fair to the audience and fair to the integrity of what you're doing for me to answer. But if it's up to me, I just talk about Dre and Swiss and this May 2nd show, Brooklyn King's did. I was telling Cam that you gotta come out, but he was like, it's never gonna happen, don't even ask him.

I didn't say, don't accent. He said, I'm not gonna hold you, Po. But no, but letting go. So it's like even right now. Forgiveness, right? Yeah, it's important. It don't mean you forget. So when they're saying, but Po, you know,

you was just on stage when a B.T. Awards. But then when Lurrayton, Rod, you know, come with the lawsuit, and Little Rod is saying, that's for those who don't know, the producer that produced, I think one of his greatest albums ever, that whatever. It was crazy. I can't listen to it no more because, you know, I'm traumatized. But before everything happened. You traumatized?

Yeah, because then what happened with Little Rod, when he says that Puff is talking crazy telling him that he shot up the club and that he made Sean take the fault. it sound like something puff would do when you're off that pink. You know, you know. When you're off that pink. Right? It sound like puff, right? So.

That's crazy. And that's what I'm saying. Like, um, but, but initially you got to move on and nobody wants to hold on to that baggage because I'm trying to be successful. Whatever somebody did to you, holding on to that is not going to help you. But I hear you, you sound like one of them people that's like, yeah, I, I'm going to move on, but you stay over there and I'm going to stay over here.

Yeah, I think that's important because if you can't, if you can't trust a person, then that puts the situation in a dangerous spot. But we didn't become friends after the move on. It was just for me, it was something important to let go of that. It wasn't for him and it wasn't for him to be my friend because he ended up being exactly who he was

after, you know, a couple months in it was like, okay, that's, now I remember. And then when I became... What's the now I remember moment? You know, you know how you go. So let me ask you this. This was the third question I had. When you're watching a trial and you're hearing all of these things, because I had to answer the same thing.

Because this is the viral moment right here. When you're watching that trial and you're hearing everything they say, Pup did. Yeah. Do you, can you say there was ever a time you saw that and do you believe any of it? I never saw it. But I, because of what I went through, how he, you know, called witnesses to testify against me, left me in jail.

Yes. Literally, he was my man, Mani. God bless him. Monty Hill, Hollywood. executive now. He bailed me out. He put his house up. Puff left me in jail. I was calling Daddy's house every day asking somebody to come get me. I was in church when that happened. I was looking like this is crazy. Yeah. So you would never believe that. You would never believe that the CEO of the record company will leave his artist in prison that I was just living with him. I went from the 35th Street crib to the Park Avenue

because then at that point, I was shadowing him to get the Holy Grail as far as, you know, making the records and get the blueprint to become the CEO. And he left me in prison when I was firing my weapon. So you never got the Holy Grail. Well, I did. You got to make your own Holy Grail. Yeah, I got enough. You got enough to put it together.

Because that's a trick that most people don't understand. Like, you're following something. You're never going to get it. Never. It's like being in a desert in Las Vegas. Yeah, it's just loring you. So with, with, with. With that being stated.

But definitely I would believe the same way that he did treacherous things to me, I got to give those people a benefit of the doubt because when I used to tell people, they'd be like... You're like, you were crazy. Like, that ain't happen. Yeah.

So I wouldn't do that to those victims. I wouldn't do that to them. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sorry. Well, I've never seen none of an evil, but I won't say this. When I went Mesa, to the 35th Street Club,

I seen a Dillto. Yo. And we're going to clear that story up. I told Killer, I say, yo, this niggas killer was beaming. Killer said, yo, the nigga had a pink Dildo and this thing.

But we're beeping, so all is fair and war. I say, you're killing. You guys see this, this thing got a deal doing the house. I had to bring killer down to the house and see it. We couldn't believe it. Yeah, but that could have been for the girls, though.

We don't come from that. What you talk about? I know they got, they have the rows. I got the rows now. No, but listen. This is where I opt out. Not funny because Mason is right

when me and him was beefing publicly or I was beefing when about it and I was like, I don't know what Mason through that I was down there. So it's funny, I'm glad you said we're gonna clear it up because I ain't gonna lie he went down there

and like you said Sean we'd have approached for the girl now but this is 97. 97 is like or 96 like yo. Yeah, niggins fresh out of college. I ain't a lie. Mesa, you see this shit? I said, what's going on?

He said, may he said exactly this. He said, I don't know. Do be bitches over here. He said, he do be out and bitches over here, but... But I don't know. That's exactly what you said, man. I ain't mean in the row. I thought it was a good time to chime to see if I've seen anything going.

Yeah, that's crazy. That's what's what's up. You got some, I'm happy you ask the questions. No, this is fun, yo. No, this was real fun. When I was thinking about, because so many bad things that's happening with Puff now, right? Is there any good thing you could say about them?

You know, the good things for me that I remember that you could take away from. Is when I did decide to be a shadow, be an understudy, be a protege, is he is really, is really one of the greatest, you know, moguls, entertainers ever, right? Music executives, the work ethic, the discipline, the skill, the ability here. He might not have necessarily been punching the drums. Did he ever tell you what record to make?

Bad boys. He did? He made bad boys. He gave me that beat in the Hamptons. We were all in the Hampton. mafia was out there, everybody was out there. And he brought that beat to me. And he was like, if you could moonwalk on this, you're gone.

If you could kill this, you're gone. And literally, he said, here, you know, take this. Don't come back to me until, you know, you did the Nepal bomb on that. And who's the guy that goes? He can. came up with Barronton Levy, because remember, he had already done Super Cat, right? He had already been... So he was more a visionary for you then?

I mean, he was a musical genius. So he was a musical genius. The work ethic was incredible. The discipline was incredible. The manifestation of the destiny seeing it and walking through the brick wall part in the Red Sea, And then it's contagious because then I already have that. I already have this. It's him, but then there's a certain application

of discipline and sacrifice and work ethic that it takes to become that. And yeah, yeah. That's one thing he does have the ability to do whatever it takes. You know how some people say whatever it takes. He would really do whatever it takes. And I think that's what made us different. I'm not going to do whatever.

Well, there's some moral and ethical boundaries that... Yeah, anything. But I'm saying that the good that you draw from that is within your moral and ethical landscape, you go as far as you need to go. Let me ask you the same question you just asked soon. Go ahead. Is there anything good with Puff?

I could just say the opportunity The opportunity to rap is what I can say is good. To me, my experiences weren't that good, but the opportunity to rap was good. Yeah, I had a lot of questions, but I'm going to keep it minimal because this is a great conversation. So the first ones for both of y'all,

I know you were saying that you had a lot of good relationships and experiences with people really aside from Puff. And so for both of you, do you guys feel like you still keep in contact with people from the label or is everybody kind of just do their own separate thing? I could go first. For me, for me, I don't keep in touch with everybody

because to me, I hold, even though I said such a poem part about Puff, I think Puff could have been better if people held them accountable. I'm more upset with the people than I am with Puff because nobody held him accountable. Everybody let them run amok for what they needed from him. So, like, right now it's a good thing to kick him while he's down. I'm not going to kick him when he's down. I'm just saying my experience.

Nobody held him accountable. And when I say nobody, I mean nobody. So everybody that be talking, I think they're all, how could I say it, not accomplices, but they're responsible too. Because they let it happen. So when I would say stuff, they would protect the situation against me. When he say something, they protect the situation against him. So then when this all goes wrong, nobody should really be on TV saying anything.

That's why when people are like, people are quiet, what could they really say? They all helped. They all helped. Even niggas who be complaining. They were accomplices because they were there. They actually was guarding the nigger why he was doing it. So if I'm guarding you, why you're doing it, I'm a part of it. You heard it from Mace.

Everybody was a part of it. I'm a little bit more compassionate. And I... Really? I mean, by it's no compassionate. No, I'm saying the truth. The truth. The truth is truth.

Because we're different... I agree with you. We're different eras, right? So for his era, he could be compassionate for me. I can't be compassionate when I can't be compassionate when I. I know all of the things that happened here. Like I could say, I really appreciate the opportunity to make music.

But when we got into this to make music, we didn't think niggas was gonna die. We didn't think people were being raped. We didn't think people were being sodomized. We didn't think, like, because I think we make light of what's really happening. Like, really, like, seven niggas died. Yeah.

Right? A total of more than 10 died. So I think when he says compassion, what is the compassion for her? Like, where I'm from, you hold people accountable for what was going on. I wasn't disagreeing with you, talking about with bad, but I'm just talking about in life period.

You know what I thought? Oh, no, I just, I believe in, I really, and one of those people, I believe in integrity, like he said, to be true to what happened, right? So if I do something wrong, hold me accountable. Even though I may feel like you're being harsh on me, it's gonna make me a better person. I'm all for the ultimate better.

Like sometime when you show people compassion, you get this 20 years of abuse. You get 30 years of abuse. But you think you're being compassionate. I think compassion is for the humble. It's for those who walk in humility. I don't think compassion is for the arrogant or compassionate for people

who's consistently abusing people. That's enabling. That's not compassion. To me, that's my view. But I stay in touch with seas. Like whenever I go to Miami, I see him. I stay in touch with Kiss, you know, faith. So I do stay in touch with it.

Like a lot of the hit men, Nishim Merrick, go to New York. I'm checking him. My second question for you is when you were serving time, do you feel like a lot of people were visiting you and were you ever upset by maybe certain people in particular who maybe didn't come to visit or did visit? No, I didn't want any visits. So I was good.

When I was held in captivity, I was a mythical creature. I became bigger than I ever was. I was like one of the biggest entertainers in the country at the time. I actually put out a number one album. I was on Usher's album that sold over 30 million records rapping from prison.

I was so much in demand. So I was actually, it was like a dream within a nightmare, but I didn't want to see anybody. I didn't want anybody to see, like, I didn't want my mom to see me as a caged, you know, animal, which is what, you know, you really are. So I didn't really want to see anybody, so people would want

to come see me, and I wasn't taking visits. Because it wasn't about visits. It was like literally incarceration as being in hell. Right. That's why I call my album, Godfather, buried alive, because I was, you know, dead. I was buried in prison, so I didn't want to see anybody. Okay.

Anybody else? No, I want to talk about now what you're doing. Give us the layout for this year. So you talk about Dr. Drake. May 2nd. We talked about- Kings Theater. All right, but it's not just May 2nd.

Turn it to the stage. Give us 2026 shine. 2026 shine. Yes. We return it to the stage. May 2nd, Brooklyn, King's Theater. We're going toward the rest of the country, tour the rest of the world.

New album coming out, The Honorable in November. Yeah, memoir. We're working on the film projects. My bio-TV series, Bio-Motion Picture. We're doing the resorts and restaurants, Brooklyn Chap House in Belize. Yeah, that's what the 2026 look like. Are you thinking about running again in Belize?

Yes, but that's more like 2028, 2029. So I have a period of a couple years, as I explained to you, off the mic, to do these private sector endeavors. And lastly, is it different than the United States where you won once? There's limited times that you can run or be in that position? No, no, no. I think in the United States, you run to be president. In Belize, you run to be a member of parliament. and if you are the leader of the political organization

that wins the most seats in the House of Representatives, then you become Prime Minister. And you have three terms that you can serve as prime minister, but as far as being a member of the House of Representatives, that's indefinite. You know, they used to joke about my predecessor that they were going to bury him in the National Assembly because, like, he didn't want to leave.

So we had to, you know, we had to strong the seat from him. So you could serve indefinitely until, you expire. But I definitely, I'm focused on Belize. I'm going back, I'm going to New York right after this. I just came to see you. And I'm going back home finally, my daughter, Naomi. I love you so much.

And the people in Mesopotamia, Belize, I love them, and Belize, I love everything. It's Belize you got to come visit me in Belize. Treasure, you got to come visit. I've been telling you, you got to come visit. Just let us know when you land, get the resort for you. I work very closely with the Minister of Tourism. So, yeah, everything for me is Belize,

and all these platforms, the album, the memoir, you know, the film are all opportunities to help, you know, promote and market Belize and be able to generate some revenues so I can help the people of Belize. Right? So it works out. You might got to come back once a month, man. This is the most murder. This was a great conversation. Like, y'all don't understand. Like, this is what you.

Murder, do y'all murder talking? I'm really impressed. Yes. Who went in that? championship this year. Oh, man. They'll have another answer to the bottom of whatever you tell you tonight.

Who is running, murder? Who's winning this week? Who's winning the championship? O.K.C. is going to win it. They won last year, right? Yeah. All right. Who do you think? I'm not really into sports. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm a bandwagon. I'll come. I jump in.

The reason is... You're the same thing. The reason is funny because last week, Boston was I haven't had a team since Steph Curry, like, you know, I'm a step. Real familiar. He's a bad boy. You sit right in with this new. She really do. He said he ever had a team since Steph Curry.

I mean, you know, New York, New York, New York looked like they was going to do something last year, but it didn't really quite work out, you know. See? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime you want to come up here, man.

It's a pleasure to be here. We love you, man. We happy that you're in a great situation. Thank God. We can't wait to hear the music, concert. I'm going to try to make it May 2nd. You can ask murder why you here. If you go back to talk with Flea,

you said, I'm dead. But you ain't have a date. You didn't have a date. I hit him when I was in Miami. He hit me with the curve. He said, I'm going to hit you back tomorrow. No, listen. Where is it at?

Murder. Murder. Murder. Murder. in Brooklyn. But we're in the process or just finished up a new deal. I told him I just didn't notice it.

I just told him I didn't notice that. But I said, don't even ask murder. At least I'm still going to try and do it. But just so talk with Flea, I did say, I will make it. That still stands as long as I'm not obligated to anything. This is the only thing my priority in life is this show.

I have a bunch of different priorities. This comes first before anything and then we don't have nothing to do with this show. I'm there. Appreciate you, Ken. Not a problem, man. Appreciate you, murder. I got to go see you when I'm in Georgia.

I gotta go see Jermaine because he got a record for me. So hopefully when I'm down there. May 2nd and then the album, November, name of the album? The honorable. The honorable. Yeah, Dr. Dre, Swiss Beach, Rizzer, Timberland, hit boy, everybody. All the legends, all the goats.

Can't wait. Yeah. Thanks for joining us, shine. It was a pleasure to have you on the show. That's all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.