IT IS WHAT IT IS - "SOME RAPPERS" CHANGED THE SPORTS MEDIA GAME FOREVER | S3 EP36

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

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aka Sat Baby along with your host Mason Camp. Killer, what's going on, man? How you doing, man? Chilling, man. Chilling. You know,

gotta do some things. My bad, man. Pause. You gotta do some things, pause? Yeah, man. What. You got to do some things. Pause. Yeah, man. What you got to do exactly? Can't say it on the show. Why?

You just said it on the show. And then say you can't say it on the show. What are you putting? Is there something you want to talk about? Yeah, I had to tell you off camera. to talk about? Yeah, I had to tell you off camera.

Alright, that's fine with me. Are you telling me off camera so I can say it on camera later? Hey, you can use me,

man, for a second. You can let me know what's going on whenever, you know, I'm unfiltered and unadulterated

that was the first case I see a lot of people was they was happy with what I said and gave a lot of information as far as a cuckold is concerned

yeah yeah yesterday I was looking there's there's like killer I said and gave a lot of information as far as a cuckold is concerned. Yeah, yeah. Yesterday I was looking and there's like killer. We didn't know that. And there's like it's crazy that niggas is out here still doing that. Niggas are still doing that. It seems like niggas have personal experience. Yeah, niggas already

know about that. Yeah, man, but that was very informative. That's what we do here at It Is What It Is. We're a sports show, but we also inform you on otherworldly things that's going on out there. So that's what makes us who we are. But yeah, it was very informative. And they said that the lessons that we're teaching, stats you can never learn at school. That is very true.

Yeah, there's a lot of truth to that. Yeah, he says Stat's learning more here than she ever could have learned in college, man. So, there you have it. There you have it. Okay, so we're going to start the top of the show talking about Justin Fields. There's a lot of discussion around the Bears quarterback because he unfollowed the team on Instagram so of course a lot of people were asking him why he unfollowed his own team off Instagram his argument was just because you don't follow the girl on IG don't mean you're not

messing with her is this a valid point to you guys that might be a lot of truth to that you know there's a lot of people dating people that they're not following. And there's a lot of people in relationship with people that they're not following. Like me, I don't follow anybody, but I know a lot of people and I talk to people every day, but I,

that just mean I don't want to see your feed. Sometimes people be taking it too serious. Like, you know, I like, I like my space, I like, I like my space. I like, I like to have my clear thought. And sometime when you got people twerking and doing all kinds of challenges, like killer was talking about, I don't be wanting to see all those challenges. So it doesn't mean that I'm not, I'm not, um, you know, filling the people or,

or like what they're doing. It's just I don't want to consume that all day pause. I have a question. Since you follow literally zero people, how clear does your feed need to be? Like, how does that work? That's why when I come on here, I can give a pure answer because it's not swayed by anything I saw or anything I heard. It's just coming from a pure place. Okay.

I wouldn't usually call you a liar, but... Started my long on one day, we was talking about Nia Long. And he's like, you could get the other girl that looks like Nia Long. And I'm like, where? He was like, from IG. and I'm like where you like from IG and I'm like I don't even know

you talking about it and I'm like she's on IG she look like Nia Long and I'm like you don't follow anybody how do you know who's on IG

right cause people send me things like you send me things right Paul yeah

people be like yo Taylor was looking at this. This is what he needed on top of that pause. And I was like, oh, who is that? So they send you all the current information because you seem very abreast to everything that's going on on Instagram.

You don't miss, you don't skip a beat. You must got niggas. You must got a nigga like that. You must got niggas. You must got niggas like that. You're the closest son and you stop all day, every day because you know everything I ask you about,

you know what's going on. But I would never call you a liar. You must live. It's clear on your page if I'm following the soul. But yo, you ain't see Shorty? Yeah, she nice.

She the drill rapper from Alabama. Where at? IG. Shorty Red 5572- Okay. My man. My nigga.

My nigga. Yeah. As far as Justin Fields is concerned, look, it's been a rollercoaster ride since he's been in Chicago. You ride since he's been to Chicago. He's supposed to be their franchise quarterback when he first got there. It hasn't been working out for him

the way that it's supposed to work out. If I'm not mistaken, I don't want to say that because I may be mistaken. It was before some Instagram shit. And it's sad. And to Mesa's point, and I follow a thousand,

a little over a thousand people. I follow people. But if I'm dating, and he was slick by saying this. This was a very slick comeback. This was slick because I don't usually, if I'm dating somebody

or going out with somebody, I don't like their pictures. I don't follow them. I don't usually, if I'm dating somebody or going out with somebody, I don't like their pictures. I don't follow them. I don't, you got my phone number. We got that. And if we end up do following each other on Instagram or whatever, it's not all, yo, where you going to be at tonight or what you doing later? Because people like to be in your business when you start doing that you put two you put the right two comments you on the shade room depending on who you are oh wink your eye hard eye emoji this down the third so a lot of times if you see me liking commenting put a fire emoji under a

female's picture nine times out of, I'm not dating her. I'm not doing anything with her. It's just purely platonic if I even met her. That's a good disclaimer, killer. Yeah, yeah, thank you. I got it from the best. I learned from the best, man. I learned from the best, man.

Look, I'll be honest with you. I went through a really, you know, I went through a public, you know, I went through a public relationship on Instagram, basically, because I was with a person when Instagram came out. So when Instagram first come out and you're in a relationship,

you're like, oh, this is fun. Put up the picture of us doing this. Put up the picture of us doing that. Oh, hey, hi, hey, same outfits. Here and around the corner carnival uh movies dates then that shit started getting serious as the years started why you didn't put my pitch up yeah why you didn't put my pitch up and not only that the people who grow to like you as a couple they start feeling the way if you don't put the picture up it like, what you doing with her? Where's so-and-so at?

You know, I seen, you know, shout out to my, my, our bro, Gilly. He went through that something.

I don't remember where, exactly the scenario, but he was on the gram and he took a picture with probably a fan, female fan or something. They're like, his girlfriend's name is too. He knows she's pop. I only know her because he posts a lot. And they're like, that's not name is Toot. He knows she's pop. I only know her because he posts her a lot.

And they're like, that's not Toot. Where's Toot at? Where's she at? And he like, bro, it's my cousin. You know what I'm saying? So I kind of get that.

And I think Justin Fields was slick by saying that, you know, it's times where they talk about maybe trading him, benching him. Should he start? should he not start. This was really clever of him to say that because,

look, what was the scenario? We just talked about this last week, right? And we never even re-talked about it because Larsa Pimping and Lil little mike little mike jr um broke up and a reason people attributed that breakup was to they took down everybody's instagram pictures she took down his pictures he took down her pictures uh put subliminals up if you break up with somebody should you should your friends unfollow them etc etc all because of social media and four days later they was back together yeah people got to

stop letting social media run their life and i think i think phil's justin phil's is saying it's just because they're about to drive caleb william a nutshell. I mean, you could be 100% right. I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but that was a play it safe what he did. He played it safe. So it's definitely, we're definitely in that era. Like I got into an argument with a few people. Now I'm sitting here thinking about it.

Yo, you want to follow me? Why you want to follow me? Nah, nah, nah. I'm like, yo, you doing dumb shit. No. You bugging out. I'll tell you a scenario. Like work?

Yeah. That's how you feel? Really, like seriously. So I did a television show with Brandy a couple years ago. And I had a friend of mine who's a really good ghostwriter,

makes beats, et cetera. And Brandy, on this show, she was going to be a rapper. And I was like, yo, you could ghostwrite for her and maybe potentially

make some beats or whatever. He's like, yo, it would have been a good look for him. An hour later, I put up a picture of me and brandy he made like some uh it wasn't tasteful joke in the comments so i just told him this so i blocked him kim how you gonna block me yo why would you do that and i'm like bro what if this girl sees this i just gave you opportunity to write some lyrics which you love doing

make some beats which you love doing and then you sit there and make a joke about some a money opportunity okay

because you don't know I do comedy too that's part of my comedy you know what you enjoy I block them so he caught an attitude with me I know friends who's mad

at other friends who block them. We're in that era to where, and I tell people all the time, if you got my phone number, be happy you got my phone number. Sometimes you're just not interested. Just because you're my friend, I don't mean I want to follow you

because your pages are interesting. Yeah. For me, What makes them interesting to you? A lot of several things. I like, I follow CNN. I follow ABC,

uh, for worldly news. I follow Shayron ball alert for nigga news. I follow girls with nice bodies. Cause I'm a pervert sometime. And I like to watch like girls with nice bodies. I follow basketball players. I follow NBA teams.

I follow sports in general um i follow um news outside the country as well not just in america i follow uh nature's predators i'm in the animals there's several different things animals yeah yeah that was crazy crazy but no no i don't count that as a pause that's that's more like bestiality that isn't drinks but yeah i i like i like it i'm not gonna tell y'all what bestiality means if you want to google that that's up to you um but yeah i'm definitely in the animals i like watching national geographics you know i have I have like three closets dedicated to animals. That's cemetery. I can't make this up.

It varies for me. And then another thing that what happens is with Instagram, they make it so also, and like I said, we'll move on. But on Instagram, what they do is that when you're going to search for something on Instagram, you go to the search page, it's mad stuff on the search page before you actually type in what you want to type in so you're like oh let me click on this and you may be stuck on that for like 10 minutes just because you wasn't um you seen something interesting got it um to me i don't

even think it's necessarily about interest i just think people are nosy there's a lot of people that i do not follow and you guys will never know that I know that have my number and that's all that it needs to be. I think people are way too much in other people's business and all it takes is one follow or one picture with them and everybody's in your business. So I just think leaving it at that, that's good. And Justin Fields did explain that like football consumes like 99% of his life now that they are in offseason. Obviously, he's still working out and stuff. He doesn't need to see stuff from NFL and Bears 24-7 because that's literally his life.

So I understand having a little break here and there. But is he going to stay with the Bears? That is a question I cannot answer. He's not staying with the Bears. This was that transition. Yeah. Okay. We'll see what happens there's no confirmation on that but based off of mace's guess he's thinking that he's not gonna be in the football and quarterbacks and everything else i spoke to cam newton man yeah man i've had a good conversation with cam uh actually the day before yesterday, and we talked briefly yesterday as well, and shout out to Cam, big fan of the show, and we like what you're doing as well.

And he just wanted to say if there was any misunderstanding or confusion, he fucks with us, and hopefully he'll be up next week on the show, either Monday, Tuesday, early next week he's going to come on the show via Zoom. So, big shout out to Cam Nguyen. Yeah, good for Cam.

Nah, I'm just playing, Cam. Shout out to Cam. What? We had a great conversation, man.

And where Cam is at, you know, and I won't get into a lot of detail. I'll let him tell what he wants to talk about when he comes on the show next week. It's just that he's trying to figure out media as well. He's not shy about saying that. He's basically saying that me and you and people like us and this show in general uh paving the way for what he's trying to do

you know what i'm saying and you know he has no backing he has no sponsorship he has nothing and uh i told him that's how we started you know what i'm saying so he was just saying he didn't mean anything if we felt the way it because he's kind of we're kind of setting the tone for what a lot of people are trying to do. Cool. Well, also speaking of Cam Newton, when talking about CJ Stroud, Cam Newton said, I don't know nobody that really had a better rookie campaign than him. Do you agree?

Than who? Cam or CJ Stroud? CJ Stroud. I think, I mean, since we're on the Cam Newton campaign, I think Cam Newton had a better year, better rookie season than C.J. Stroud. I think he's one of the only people that had a better season. And then you got my guy, you know, Paul's Pat Mahomes. But other than that, this is a great person to put over C.J. Stroud. Let me look at my notes.

Yeah, I got Cam Newton at 451 yards. He was only 57 yards short of what C.J. Stroud had. He had more touchdowns, less interceptions. So, you know, This was really good. I was going to say Cam, but I believe the best rookie season to me goes to Justin Herbert. He had a phenomenal rookie

season. I don't have the notes in front of me, but off the top of my head, I believe he had eight or nine more touchdowns. He had twice as many interceptions. He had five interceptions for the season. Justin Herbert had 10, but he had almost 10 more. No, he had 10 total, so we're clear. He had almost 10 more touchdown totals,

and I believe he had 300 more, two to 300 more yards to C.J. Strout, if I'm not mistaken. But if I'm going best rookie season, I'm going to go individual, and we're not talking about team. We're talking about individually, Justin Herbert.

Now, C.J.j strout season may have been better than justin herbert's first season justin herbert's first season he was six and nine and cj strout made it to the playoffs so it may look better for cj strout because his team went further but if we're talking about individual uh accolades and play, I'm going to go with Justin Herbert and then agree with Mace on a tie for CJ and Cam as well. Yeah. I got Cam Newton over him with the 700 yards that he rushed for. Okay.

As well as those rushing touchdowns. His season was more exciting or electrifying than than Herbert to me just off of just stat comparisons Justin Herbert had a passer rating of 98.3 with 4,336 yards 31 touchdowns 10 interceptions in 15 games for his rookie season one offensive rookie of the year CJ Stroud started in all 15, completing 319 of 499 pass attempts, 4,108 yards, 23 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, and a pass rating of 100. And then Cam Newton had 4,051 yards, 21 touchdowns, and 17 interceptions. And he rushed 126 times for 706 yards and 14 touchdowns. So, numbers-wise- 17 interceptions is crazy.

Yeah, 17 interceptions. I ain't have that in my notes. I bet you did. Yeah, numbers-wise- 17 interceptions is crazy. Yeah, 17 interceptions. I ain't have that in my notes. I bet you did. Yeah, 17 interceptions. 17 interceptions as well. So, that's kind of crazy. Numbers-wise, like, technically, Justin Herbert, like, had the better game,

but C.J. Stroud just had less interceptions. 17 interceptions? To 21 touchdowns. Yeah. It's almost 50%. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So who would you pick? Who would I pick? I'm just not even one of our opinion. Do you think that C.J. Stroud had the best rookie season? No, C.J. Stroud had it better. Now that I heard the 17 interceptions. Better than Justin Herbert too though? No.

Justin Herbert than C.J. Stratton had it better. Now that I heard, it's 17 in the seventh. Better than Justin Herbert, too, though? No. Justin Herbert, then C.J. Stratton. That's still, like, also statistically speaking, and on paper, Justin Herbert had the better rookie season, but just the hype around C.J. Stratton, everything that's going on, especially because he wasn't even, like, he ended up being a lower pick after Bryce Young. I just think that CJ Stroud is a pretty strong argument as well.

That's why I asked you. I knew you would go for the glitz and glamour instead of paying attention. That's exactly why I asked you. I did that on purpose. I mean, I did that on purpose. Because I knew that you would go for the shine or the motion or whatever you want to call it. I said, watch this. Watch me go for the glitter. I did the same thing before you came in about Kyrie. Oh, yeah.

We'll get to that, though, because that's a good conversation. Same thing. She did the same thing. I knew it. Yeah. Fuck Justin Herbert numbers. I'm going with the emotions. I'm going to come back with a better argument for sure,

but based off of, yeah, everything, I'm going to go with CJ Schaub for now. Because he got more interviews. No. No, I'm going to go with CJ Shroud for now. Because he got more interviews. No. No, I'm just thinking. He got more followers. I'm just thinking in the long run.

I have to see. It's still pretty early just looking at what CJ Shroud has done, but I don't know. Status no more long run. The question was rookie. There's no longer going to ever be one. I have to take into account. No, I get it's just the the rookie year but I have to take into account everything and I'm just like

that's what I'm thinking I get what y'all are saying there's just multiple factors no the thing about it is you say a long run is no rookie in the long run I know I know it makes sense to me y'. It makes sense to me, y'all.

It makes sense to me. But we think I already knew the answer. Yeah. Okay. But we'll get to that discussion between Kyrie and Jalen Brunson later down the line. But right now, boom. Well, actually, we're getting to that now. Jalen Brunson revealed he truly wanted to stay with the Mavs, but they declined a four-year

$55 million offer for him. Do you think the Mavs could have benefited more from keeping Brunson? Like I said earlier, this is what I told that killer. I said, who would you take, Kyrie or Jalen Brunson? And it feels, Paul, like Brunson is having a crazier year because he's in a bigger market when it comes to New York City, but the numbers are almost compatible. It doesn't seem like that because Kyrie is not with Nike or he's not in the city every day, but they're having the same season. And I would have did exactly what the Mavs did because

I didn't foresee Jalen Brunson being what he is now. So if it came down to the time where they had to make that decision and you could have gotten Jalen Brunson or you could have gotten Kyrie, I don't think, I mean, some people may have still picked Jalen Brunson, but I would have went with Kyrie. And I would still go with Kyrie today. Kyrie is one of my favorite players in the NBA period. I feel like if he was five inches taller, he would be Jordan. Jordan couldn't even dribble like that. Yeah.

Yeah. and dribble like that. Yeah. I know the question, but could you read it to me again so I can answer it correctly, properly? Yeah. So basically, Jalen Brunson revealed

he wanted to stay with the Mavs, but they declined a four-year $55 million offer for him, which is what he wanted. So do you think the Mavs could have benefited more from keeping Jalen Brunson? For that price? Yeahson for that price yeah for that price but what Jalen Brunson is doing for that price man that's that's a hell of a discount yeah the answer is absolutely yes yeah that's all of

a discount now look even before Jalen Brunson got to the Knicks I was seeing what he was doing in Dallas that last year when his contract was up and I'm like and I seen him playing Villanova but you know I didn't pay I'm not gonna say and act like I had eyes on Jalen Brunson from college throughout his NBA career I'll be sitting here lying to you but I seen when he did that last year in Dallas when his contract was up, and it looked like he was playing. Yeah. Like his contract was up.

You know, it's not like, you know, it's two different scenarios, so I ain't going to throw Clay in there. But he was playing like his contract was up. This is how Clay is supposed to be playing. You know what I'm saying? So when Dallas didn't resign him and he got that big contract with the Knicks, I'm not going to lie.

I was sitting there saying, and I'm okay saying, because here goes Sin, I know. Here we go. New hardness. Yeah, because Sin is, because I was saying, you know, I kept talking,

I'm not going to lie, I'm like 110 million. I don't know, man. They get Jalen Brunson 110 million. So, you know, it's calling me. Do it look like we wasted the money now? It looks like it's good money. It looks like y'all spent really good money.

What I would say is this to answer the question overall, though. I think that needed to happen. Because me personally, I don't think Luka respects players, even on his own team. I think he's that good to where he doesn't respect Jalen Brunson or respect other players.

Not saying he doesn't think that they're good basketball players or great NBA players. I just think he like, come over here. I've been killing niggas since I was 15. Y'all think he like, come over here. I've been killing niggas since I was 15. Y'all niggas, come on. I'll come over here and do this to y'all in y'all country.

And I think it took a player like Kyrie Irving, who already had a certain cachet or a certain level of respect, for him to respect somebody else. Because it wasn't like, you got to think about it. To me, personally, if you got Jalen Brunson, and I'm talking about pre-Nick Jalen Brunson, and you got Kyrie Irving, and you ask Luka, who would you rather have?

Luka. Kyrie. Kyrie, nigga. Of course I'd rather have Kyrie. This, what Jalen Brunson, to me, is doing right now with the Knicks is gaining his respect and showing niggas i'm worth this money yeah that i was asking for and i'm glad i got more than what i was asking for with the mavericks but right now jaylen brunson's earning his respect i don't think the respect that he has now and what he's gaining now he had

with the mavericks and i don't think lu Luka respected him the way he respected Kyrie. So I think everything that happened needed to happen. Okay, valid point. And then Devin Booker said, it was harder to get 70 back in my day. Now everybody gets it. How do you feel about what he said and then how the league has changed? Yeah, I agree, first of all all with devin booker about it was

harder to get 70 points back in the days it seemed like now each person and what was that last week it seemed like everybody popped up with 70 like carl anthony towns um joelleiid. Dame Lillard. Dame Lillard. And it's... Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell. They was just going crazy. But it seemed like back in the days, it wasn't hard for Will Chamberlain, though,

because he had like six games with 70 plus. But I think in this time that we're in today, the rules are too easy. I mean, you can't really foul nobody without getting thrown out the game. You can't really play aggressive defense. So the rules right now, Adam Silver has it set up for points to be very high. You see they just scored 200 in an all-star game. So ain't nobody really playing defense. And so I agree with you book on that

but booker y'all gotta get back to winning man i i was expecting y'all to do better than this um actually to be honest with you certain things kind of climb back into into it to be considering where they was at when we was talking about it they kind of climb back into into it to me considering where they was at when we was talking about it. They kind of actually climb back into it. I don't have their stats in front of me

but where they're at in the West. They're in the playoffs right now. The playoffs are on it right now. West seed. Fifth. Right now they're in the playoffs. Right after the Nuggets.

You don't put all of them together to be fifth. But right after the Nuggets. Yeah, but you don't put all of them together to be fifth. But right after the Nuggets. Well, I'm just saying as far as where they were at in the beginning of the season, let's take a look at this. Nobody expected Minnesota or Oklahoma City to be in the top two. So right now, Phoenix, and I had them right behind the Nuggets before the season started, which they're at right now. They're actually right behind the Nuggets before the season started which they're at right

now they're actually right behind the Nuggets the Clippers are ahead of the Nuggets by a game uh and Phoenix uh is three games behind Denver but I think considering where we at because this thing looked like it was gonna fall off the rails at one time earlier this year. It was like, what the fuck is going on? So, yeah, this is good for Phoenix right here. Even I'm looking at the standards now, even the Lakers and Golden State have climbed back into the playing, actually. They're in the playing right now. And that's one thing about the West.

Look, let's imagine this, right? I'm maxing you this, Mace. You got, let's say, Minnesota and Oklahoma City finishes at one and two. And you got the Lakers and Golden State at seven and eight when the playoffs start.

That's not a good sign. That's not a good sign. All that hard work sign all that hard work all that hard work to go home on the first round yeah you got Minnesota

and OKC number one and number two or it's gonna be the changing of the guards and then you might potentially have Golden State

and the Lakers at 7-8 that would be great I would prefer it to be that way yeah yeah me too I would really

I would love to see that I would love to see that way. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I would really, I would love to be that way. I would love to find out what's all the hype about you guys. It was number one, all season, Minnesota playing in LA. That would be great. Minnesota versus LA, Golden State versus OKC.

But we already know OKC would beat Golden State. You saying that for a definitive fact? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Even with Draymond back, I'm just telling you. The guy, he just looked like

he just looked like I know y'all like this nigga, but I'm better than him right now. No, he talks shit. He puts it on his gram. He lets niggas know. But... I'm telling you. I'm just...

You know what? Listen, I'm not... They like them young niggas. They like them old niggas, man. It's our time, man. They had their time. I'm not disagreeing with you. And I think that would be

a great first round matchup like we were just saying. But... Sacramento felt that way last year. Fox and them niggas felt that way last year with Golden State as well. Yeah. No, I agree with you. But basketball wise, Sacramento doesn't have the wingspan on the wings to change shots and do all of that. And that's what OKC has. I can see them really sneaking a chip out. You know what I'm saying? They got all the pieces to do it. But

I mean, I'm not saying they are, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did because they got the kind of team that, you know, one of those teams that they grow confidence and they get better as the time goes. They start realizing that we really belong here. And I think them being Golden State will give them the energy to do it. I don't know if they'd do that against Joker, but, you know, Joker is the only one got a pass to the chip. I don't know if they'll do that against the Clippers. I'm not disagreeing with,

oh, the state, they just haven't been looking right on you. You saying OKC? I don't know if OKC Yeah, the gold is looking real these days. Yeah. As far as what? For George, the goat.

Oh, the goat. I just said the goat. Yeah, the goat. The I just said the GOAT. Yeah, the GOAT. The GOAT looking like GOAT these days. Look, to be honest with you,

they're only a half a game behind OKC. OKC could be in third place tomorrow. They're a half a game behind OKC. The Clippers and Ty Lue and them,

a lot of props. Yeah, and I like that Clipper team. I just, I just don't know about playoff James Harden, and I really love his game, but history says in the playoffs,

he get wings from Magic City, you know? This is true, but you also got to realize, what I'll say about this for Jay Pond, three years out of his time in Houston, Golden State sent him home. Wasn't like he's playing against an average team. He's playing against a super team. Two out of their years, Kevin Durant was there as well.

They sent him home. Secondly, in Houston, he had to be the man. You don't have to be the man on this team. You know, he wasn't the man in Philly either, but you got Ty Lue and you got Kawhi Leonard and you got four rings between them two, minimum.

And if anybody knows championship basketball, it's those two. As far as James Harden's concerned, we'll see what happens, but I think a lot of pressure is on him, off of him, because he could be the third option

and possibly the fourth depending on how hot Russell Westbrook is that particular day. And no disrespect to James Harden. He's super nice. It's just history has shown that he fades in the playoffs. Absolutely. But this isn't... You're absolutely

right. You know. You gotta prove't, and you're absolutely right. You know. You got to prove that. This is 100% right. It's like, what's the guy named from Detroit Lions? It's the same thing. You talking about Goff? Goff.

I mean, Goff, I wouldn't compare him to James Harden. I wouldn't say James Harden. I'm saying playoffs wise. You just know he never got it done in the playoffs. Neither did Reggie Miller,

neither did Charles Barkley, neither did Patrick Ewing, neither did Karl Malone or Josh Stockton. But this is without him being the first up. Wait, wait, wait. Reggie Miller. Yeah. I'm saying, but they didn't fade in the playoffs.

James Harden has faded in playoffs. James Harden fades in game sevens. Yeah, yeah. Respect. Game seven. And don't get it fucked up. Yeah. That's the most important thing.

Exactly. That's what I was saying. So you're absolutely. Because when you said Reggie, Reggie gets crazy. For me, if you don't get the job done, it doesn't matter. That's true. That's just me. You got 50 and lose by 30.

You didn't get the job done. Yeah, like 13 points in eight seconds. He was going crazy. Absolutely. And everybody I named, the reason I named them is because they're Hall of Famers. I didn't just name no average niggas. And James Harden's going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, he definitely will. He's a Hall of Famer, so that's why I bought them is because they're Hall of Famers. I didn't just name no average niggas. And James Harden's going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, he definitely will.

He's a Hall of Famer, so that's why I bought them. Back to the original question, though, is, yo, it's crazy that niggas say back in my day, and Devin Book is like 27 years old or 28 years old. What days? He told him off. Niggas say, yo, back in my day, what are you? Yo, these years must be falling off the calendar.

These are dog years. Yeah, niggas say, yo, back in my day. Dev, you missed the back in the day when it was treacherous to get 60, nigga. It was treacherous, nigga, to go to. So I get, you know, and a lot of people, you know, younger people get mad when you be like, oh, here they go with Michael Joy. Here they go with Michael Jordan. Here they go with Kobe Bryant. Yeah. And we got to hear this.

Look. You couldn't get punched, cross your chest, and still get the basket. Right. Right now, today, a nigga would want to walk off if he got fouled like that. The reason I brought that up is because Michael Jordan was getting beat up so bad his first few years in the playoffs with the chicago bulls especially against the detroit pistons the bad boys uh he just spent a whole summer lifting weights like you know i'm just gonna lift weights and shit because i gotta fight through this you know so and i know i know every six seven years is generation gaps.

Cause like, look, when you're, when you're 10 years old, what you were doing when you're 17, you're not doing what you were doing when you were 10 years old. So I get it. So Devin Booker may look at somebody like new neck is over there. Sweet. Devin Booker has been the league and it doesn't even seem like it.

This is going to be his ninth year. He's been here since 2015. So it's like, damn, Devin Booker's been the year almost a decade as well.

So I get where he's coming from, but trust me, you missed it, bro. You got it good, too. You got it real good. Back in 2015, when you came in, that's when it was already you couldn't

touch a nigga like that yeah okay y'all we're gonna go to break and when we return we will discuss ryan clark's contract with espn she called this thing about toxic four years and counting. Got you feeling like an option. Maybe I'm my own problem, babe. She tired of hearing, I don't know. My stubborn in me won't fall.

Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about it. She want to be free. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Spurs will play the Kings. Underdog fantasy has Darren Fox

at five rebounds. Do you have them higher or lower, Mace? Lower. Wimby is out there. He's not getting no rebounds. Who are they playing? The Spurs. The Spurs.

Lower. Okay. Victor Wimby is at five first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Lower. Five first quarter points. Yeah, lower. Okay.

And Devin Vasil is at 20 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower at Mace? Who? Devin Vasil. Who is that a half points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Who? Devin Vasil. Who's that? He's on the Spurs. I can't speak of something I don't know. What you got for him, Caleb?

Lower. Lower. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So Ryan Clark's contract with ESPN has expired. So he's technically, not even technically technically he is a broadcasting free agent three days ago he posted that him and ESPN disagreed on terms of a new deal and that's okay so what do you guys think is next for Ryan Clark and then what are you guys's general thoughts on ESPN and their relationships with talent because we've seen a lot of firings

this one seemed more mutual but what do you guys think about it well I'll start by saying congratulations Ryan Clark thank you for showing us that everybody don't have to just bow their knee all the time and you pause you was actually very classy about it how do you bow your knee um I just take whatever a nigga offer you bow your knee

though Mace bow his knee when it's when it's a when you look get on his knee or you bow on his knee

well let me tell you this since you since you talking early interrupting me Well, let me tell you this, kid. Since you're talking early, interrupting me. You interrupt me every day, all day, but get out of my sight. All right. I was asking a question. Okay. The reason I'm asking this is because you have terms that I don't know.

All right. I didn't know where it went. Bow your knee pause is like surrendering to the bigger company because this is, like he said, he said it's the greatest platform. It's the greatest platform until you reach another platform. But what I'm saying is that he did not bash them. He understood that they were offering him something. Maybe it wasn't what he wanted. And he was okay with saying, you know what? That's cool

that you think I'm only worth that, but I think I'm worth more and I'm willing to take the risk and move forward. And I want to ask you a question, Cam. How would you feel if you played sports since you was six years old? You played peewee football. You played all through high school, junior high school. I meant middle school, college, junior college, get to the pros, end up being a pro ball. And then you go into sports casting, knowing everything about it, and two rap niggas just start doing sports. And they actually make a lot of money doing it. How would you feel, nigga?

You're not giving me that shit. I just saw what they got. Well, let me answer your question real quick um the way you put it i would be highly highly upset the way you just presented it to me i would be on fire because you have if you're a regular employee of a major network who's dealing with sports um and you just name everything you did. You played sports. You went to college for broadcasting while you were playing sports,

so on and so forth. And you have a lot of knowledge about what you're talking about because of experience. You may not be the best talker, but you have experience. So you bring that to the table and you see two rap niggas come over and and kind of disrupt what's going on and you can't be yourself you have to

be a puppet almost so to speak because you're on the network we're not saying ryan clark no no i'm just saying in general yeah definitely not ryan clark i don't know not r not Ryan Clark. I would be highly upset, but where I would disagree with you at is we not just no rap makers. That's the problem. You know what I'm saying? But that is how niggas see it. That's how they perceive it. Yeah, they perceive that,

oh, these niggas are rap niggas. Niggas who are highly intelligent. Yeah. Like, I'm talking about if you're in a room with Einstein, you may not know who's the smartest in the room. Yeah.

If niggas is in the room. I'm just telling you, you're dealing with a high IQ type of people when we're dealing with Mason, myself. A lot of times, when I do take seduce segments, I actually dumb it down. Because if you want analytics

and you want a corporate answer and you want the blue collar way it's been going, you know where to go to if you want that. But if I could be me and be myself and tell you how I really feel, that's what you get. But I could go sit in a room and talk sports, politics, relationships, et cetera,

at a high level without cursing, without being ignorant, without any of that. I just want to be me, though. Cursing, ignorance, all that is really me, but don't think I don't know how to hit a switch. And the reason that Mase is saying that, because it's probably perceived like this, like, how do you rap niggas? Mase is saying that because it's probably

perceived like this. Like, how these rap niggas just... Look, and I don't want Mase and Shannon Sharp to be beefing.

It is what it is, though, but... We're not beefing. No, no. Listen to where I'm going, though. I'm just saying. And y'all don't... You know what time it is.

Anyway, motherfucker, I don't want y'all going through a conflict, but the words y'all don't, you know what time it is. Anyway, motherfucker, I don't want y'all going through a conflict, but the words y'all got into, you turned on another switch. The way niggas was like, oh, excuse me, who is that? Oh, them niggas,

we got to be careful, careful. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. Because you're sitting there saying, man, fuck the rappers and fuck the gangster pastor. However, nigga, oh, let me show you something in an eloquent slash street slash I don't think you really know me type of way. street slash I don't think you really know me type of way. So that's what makes it dangerous with us. Because if you think you can say anything on any type of level, you playing with niggas who get paid for the last 30 years to play with words.

Yeah. Yeah. You don't want a word war with a word. That would be horrible. Yeah. So that's why I was just bringing that up. Nothing, like I said, whatever was shared, I hope that shit died down and move on.

But I'm just saying, when that response came out, you know, I won't put any athletes, professional athletes under the bus or former athletes or GMs for that matter. They say, make a mace call to eat. That's why I'm not antagonizing the situation I'm telling you the real texts

and phone calls I got because like I said plenty of times before a lot of times being that Mace left music so early and really didn't see him outside of church. You don't really know his personality because when he was doing interviews or anything else or videos, videos, you get three, four minutes and you don't necessarily know somebody's personality in the 90s.

Or if you do an interview and you're reading what he says in the Vibe magazine or Source magazine or whatever. You can only read. You don't really get a lot of personality from reading or if you do a 10-minute interview on Rap City or whatever show is out at the time. So this show gives a lot of people to see Mase's personality,

which I knew forever. So really, it's not really a shock to me. So to a lot of people, they're like, yo, I didn't know Mase was that funny or I didn't know Mase

could articulate himself that well or I didn't know Mase. See, niggas know me. I, to a lot of people, they like, yo, I didn't know Mase was that funny or I didn't know Mase could articulate himself that well or I didn't know Mase. See, niggas know me. I've been out here. So, so when people see that, it's like.

Yeah, but that's what you said when you called me. It was like, yo, come on the show. Yeah, yeah.

And be yourself. Yeah, no, I'm just saying, I know already. I'm just saying for some people, it's shocking because you go from funny, you go to wisdom then you go to don't play with me it's you know they know that about me i've been vocal i had beefs no i'm just saying because you kind of

did what you did i still been out here beefing with niggas arguing all type of shit. 60 minutes, don't snitch on your neighbor, all type of shit. And I've been arguing with Bill O'Reilly on his show, movies, all type of shit. So I'm happy that people get to actually see your wisdom, your personality, your candor, et cetera. But yeah, more of the story is I wanted to say that. But yeah, I'd be pissed off I wanted to say that, but yeah,

I'd be pissed off if I was certain people who has been working and especially what happens is soon when you're in sports, they try to point you to start doing, if you don't really know

how to have a major or minor and don't know where you want to be, they'll be like, get into broadcasting because this could be a second act for you when you finish playing

and so on and so forth. And then it just come and snatch that right from you when you finish playing, and so on and so forth. And then it can just come and snatch that right from you after you put all this work in. I have no idea. Before I get to that, though, let's get to Ryan Clark, and I'll end it with this.

As far as Ryan Clark is concerned, I think Ryan Clark, this past year, understands his value. He has a popular podcast with The Pivot. Not only having a popular podcast, he just won a sports Emmy last year. And, you know, you got to realize this. Yeah, so his number went up. Yeah, yesterday's price is not today's price.

You got to realize who's at ESPN, all the people there. I mean, other people won awards, but I don't even think Stephen A. Smith won an Emmy. You know what I'm not other people who won awards, but I don't even think Stephen A. Smith won an Emmy. You know what I'm saying? So Ryan Clark is like, holla at me, yo. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying that

Ryan Clark does or doesn't have the personality Stephen A. Smith does. I like Ryan Clark. I like watching him on ESPN. You know, there's a few people I don't like, but he's definitely one of my favorites to watch when I like watching him on ESPN. There's a few people I don't like, but he's definitely one

of my favorites to watch when I'm watching sports on ESPN. But at the end of the day, he has a great career after football, and he's also an NFL Super Bowl champion. So, Ryan Clark, wherever you go, I wish you

luck. I'm a fan, and I'll definitely be watching. Back to the last, I wish you luck. I'm a fan. Yeah. And I'll definitely be watching. Back to the last thing I'll say, what I was tapping into before we left about how athletes, or not just athletes, you go to school for broadcasting, and you got people like Mace and myself who can invest in themselves self because we believe in ourself and we say nigga if we need to talk to whoever about sports we're gonna be able to talk to them or if me need to just debate amongst ourselves we could do that as well if we need to bring in the guests every week we could do that as well etc etc but for the people that went to school for this and now they don't they they're interning somewhere where i was girl was i was gonna ask that and i don't want you to throw anybody under the bus but what is your

classmates lives like compared to yours right now um shout out to the classmates that we were getting out the mud together literally bringing around camera equipment producing our own stuff writing everything it was really really, um, just getting your footing out in the broadcast world is extremely difficult. Um, a lot of them are still, you know, trying to get that first job or honestly left the market because it's, it's changed. Like, I mean, unless you want to start with politics and do sidelines, a lot of them are, you know, still trying to find different things to do because it's just really difficult. I think there's more opportunities for people in school to intern and do like collaborations with like throughout the school and then actual

leagues. I'm going to say shout out Daryl Barnes because he just did something with NBA on TNT, which is super difficult to get but a lot of other people are struggling have reached out and asked kind of for help and stuff on like how to get that footing but there is no

direct path that you can take like there's no to do this on like to be successful you got to do this and you got to do that like you don't really know

until you try things so that's what I would say no 100% and listen we're privileged and happy that we were able to find you and sort you out. Shout out to Kev in Miami for finding you

because you've been a blessing to the show. You bring a lot to the table, but I'm just wondering where your peers would be at and not just, if you wasn't here, what you would probably be doing right now because you got to realize, and I'm not disrespectful. I'm totally not being disrespectful. Not at all yeah and i want to be super clear because we like cam is

disrespectful but i've seen you post somebody that you went to school with and i believe they're like gonna be the social media intern somewhere um one of your former classmates is a dude probably yeah there's a couple things but he's just for the espn if i wasn't since he's a dude. Probably, yeah. There's a couple things I'd post. But he's just, I think ESPN, if I wasn't mistaken, he's going to be the social media intern. Damn.

Four years of college to be the social media murder intern. Yeah. And because it's ESPN. $400,000. Huh? $400,000.

For what? What you mean? Oh, you're talking about, yeah, that's what you. $400,000. Huh? $400,000 spent. For what? What you mean? Oh, you're talking about, yeah. Right. That's what you mean. Right. So that's what I'm trying to say is that all that to be an intern for social. Yeah.

Not social on your phone. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You don't have to go to college for that. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, and I know Statt is to go to college for that yeah exactly and so you know and I know stat is blessed

and we're blessed to have her but you gotta realize like you're probably the most hated amongst all your classmates you're an all-star

weekend you're doing major interviews you're on one of the most popular sports shows every day and I know

it's somebody who man like look at fucking Treasure. She barely even fucking went to class that semester. Somebody like that out there. Yeah. So I can imagine.

That's the crazy thing. Just quick thought because it's not even just peers. It's people already in the industry. And teachers too. And teachers. Like people are not supportive and it's people already in the industry like teachers too and teachers like people are not supportive but it's okay it's like people in the industry like already on linear television or already established like i remember right before i had my job with it is what it is um i interviewed

i'm not even gonna say names i interviewed somebody who never said i'm not even going to say names. I interviewed somebody. Why do you never say names? I'm not saying names. She's media trained. You're media trained. I literally am. I can't help it. That's why it's like I dip my toes more and more for y'all to see even more personality because I think I've gotten a lot more comfortable, but I just can't help it. Like I've learned for four years to be that way.

Before you continue, the same people who learn what you learned the four years, we just talked about where they were at. I know it's like a habit, but I definitely getting, I share a lot more than I would have when I first started. Like the growth has definitely changed a lot, but yeah, I remember there was somebody like that I interviewed cause I've interviewed, you know, people along the way and they're like, yeah, one day, you know, you'll have the opportunity to be in camera and get to like a position like me. I was like, okay.

And that's not something that you want to hear from somebody that you like look up to, you know what I'm saying? They're just like, yeah, one day. Have you passed that person? Yes. Wow. Yes.

So all of you looking for work that's down there in the college, hit that up. That too. Yeah, definitely. But shout out to the people who have supported me. Joy Taylor, Taylor Rooks,

they have definitely supported me and they're, you know, up there in the industry as well. So shout out to them for being very supportive. And obviously Cam and Maze. Yeah. That's what's up.

Yeah. Okay. Did you have one more thought before we no I just would say I wish Ryan Clark the best and I'm a fan

so yes be looking forward to what he got going on next okay and then before we wrap Jason Tatum

believes he can be the next face of the league in an interview he said I feel like it's mine to take do you guys feel

like it's Jason Tatum's to take I actually do It's mine to take. Do you guys feel like it's Jason Tatum's to take? I actually do. I actually do because even though he had that horrible playoff series last year, I look at it like the same thing happened to Kobe one year, right? He comes out, he shoots these air balls, come back after that. And he's a terror until, until he passed away, you know, and I, and shout out to the entire Bryant family, blessings on that family. God prayers be with you. And I think, I think Tatum has what it take.

He just got to remember that in tough situations, you got to be the alpha. You got to be the dog. You got to be the one to make sure y'all win it all because you can be the face. But if you lose this year with Porzingis and that team that you have, we're never going to let you forget it. I just want to say that. we're never going to let you forget it. I just want to say that. I think he could be Willie. That's another question.

Yeah, he could be. He could be. Look, you got all the intangibles. You got to do it this year because Ja coming back next year with a vengeance. Yeah, look. I believe if Ja didn't go through all that, he might have

could have been. He would be the face. Yeah, I believe because and I don't want to blame it on being light-skinned. Steph Curry's light-skinned. You know what I'm saying? But sometimes you just look too smooth. You know,

even Steph Curry gets mad and has attitude and, you know, a little bit of this. And Jason Tatum, I see him, it seems some night that his hair don't get messed up. He is from St. Louis, though. He definitely got balls, what it takes. Because he's from St. Louis, that don't Because he's from St. Louis, that don't mean that you from St. Louis, Louis.

Now, don't get it fucked up. He came up under Bradley Bill. Bradley Bill used to practice with him, put him under the wing. Nelly, too. Shout out to Nelly. You know, Nelly used to bring up Bradley Bill. Bradley Bill brought up Jason Tatum.

So, I ain't going to sit there and say you ain't in the hood. But at the end of the day, you could also be sheltered. And I don't want to sit here and go over on his background or how he grew up or anything else because I don't know. And I don't want to say the wrong thing. But what I will say is that I believe he has everything you need to have. He's 6'7", 6'8". He can put up 50 any night he wants to and needs to.

But for us as basketball fans, we've been seeing you do this the last three, four years. And when you go to the championship and take a step back from the championship and don't make it to the championship, it's like, what's going on? That's just my opinion with the Boston Celtics. I gave them a pass actually last year for not getting to the championship because you got to realize they're on their second coach in two years.

So really third coach if you're talking about my man who just went upstairs to the – who took Danny Ainge's spot in the front office. You got to realize he was their coach. Then homie, coach in Houston, I always can't pronounce his name correctly, so I don't want to say it. You hollered at his girl. How you don't remember his name? I don't know. I don't know. See it. You hollered at his girl. How you don't remember his name? I don't know.

I don't know. Ayuka. What is her? See, you calling them Ayuk. That's Johnny from San Francisco. Ayuk. Ayuk. What's the name?

Come on. Do your job. I ain't hollering. I ain't hollering. Do your job. You doka. You doka. Yeah, you doka.

And now you're dealing with the new coach. But that's a lot, too. Like I said, me and Mason always talk about our basketball career and everything. And we had 76 coaches in three months. Like, when you have no chemistry And you keep changing up shit Sometimes it takes into effect But This year

I think that Mase is right You need to get it done But not just that I'm sitting here Cause I think he can do it I'm sitting here trying to think but He has to get it done this year I never see

I never see nigga do this You wanna see that Yeah you got Everybody on Face of the League It's the same way with Wimby Or at least Yeah yeah At least this

Yeah Yeah like you know Some emotion Yeah that's what I'm saying Everybody who's been The Face of the League Give you that Yeah

You know what I'm saying You've never seen Even Bird get the towel Yeah yeah yeah Yeah exactly You know what I'm saying So The reason I'm saying that is because I've never seen that from him. But in the era where that shit may just be okay not to do that.

That knows. Like, like. I don't like it, though. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, and I'm not saying Jason Tatum In particular But that would be cool If niggas get their Eyebrows done Okay I didn't say all that

Okay so would you be mad If a nigga got his eyebrows done I didn't say all that I'm just asking you as a friend Would you be mad Would you be mad I'm not gonna be mad At anything that

Somebody decides to do But like I've not seen that So like I don't know You ain't seen nobody Get their eyebrows done Like a dude go get their eyebrows done? Like a dude go get their eyebrows done? No.

Niggas got highlights. Niggas already. You, you seen that nails? Yeah. Yeah. Status for all of this. She with it.

Yeah. I ain't knocking her. She's generation A. She ain't the dog. She ain't the door. I ain't going to knock her. But answer your question. Generation A. She ain't a dog. She ain't a door. I ain't going to knock her. But answer your question. Generation A is crazy.

I think that Jason Tatum has all the intangibles to do it. Will he do it? That's the question. Right. We're rooting for you, Jason Tatum. Do it. We really hope that you do it. Well, that's all the time we have for today.

Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.