IT IS WHAT IT IS - STAT IS NERVOUS ABOUT HER STEELERS, WHAT'S "UNC" AGE & CAM NEWTON WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT HIS GIRL'S PAST!

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

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It's all good. Halfway through, I know you guys in Vegas, halfway through would be right here in Dallas, and then it should continue to go on east. We're here, Cam. You still in New York, Cam? No, but I'm on the East Coast. I'm in Florida. I mean, I'm right up the beach. block from you I'm probably all right yeah yeah yeah I'll be that way tomorrow I'll be that way tomorrow you're oh yeah yeah call me to call me soon as you touch down you've been you'll be in Miami Mike yeah yeah the Miami game is Friday so you know I'll go in tomorrow night and tomorrow

evening and you know oh I'm going I'm going with you okay you should go the game over you should do that you should definitely First of all, I don't want to stop what nobody told us. If I'm invited, I'm definitely going to go with you. Oh, no, no, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. We're going to let, hey, I'm going to hit you tomorrow for real. I'm going to get you to see it. You should just see it.

I've been calling the guys out, calling people out. I saw one of my coaches texts today, tweeted today, or X today, whatever you want to call it, about showing up at the rock, at Hard Rock. I was like, what? You know, I can't say it. The Coveball, I'm going to say, we got to be passed. We got to be passed asking people to show up now.

You started 9 in 0 last year. You're starting 5 in 0 this year. And right now, you're 2 in the whole world. Man, them Joe's better show up and stop playing around, man, and get these boys that do. I need reciprocation from all the people in Miami. I need you to give your presence, tears, and everything for the reciprocate back to these young men that have put that hard work and dedication on the football field. So, yeah, it's going to be lit.

How is it hard for us to get people to come to Miami? It's my first one, it's Miami. No, no, but that's the problem. That's both the gift in the curse, you see. Okay. Right, well, the gift is, boy, you're Miami, boy, you have. Hey, what the curse is, boy, y'all gotta be doing some spectacular. Cause this Miami, that's the only way you're gonna get us over there.

You know what I'm saying? We gotta pass all the booty clubs and everything to come to a hospital. Y'all better be rocking. Y'all better be rocking on that field, just, you know, just like they could be rocking. And you all know what the kind of clubs, like, they are in Miami. Yeah, and booby chop, booby chop don't close. Boobie chop 24 hours. 24 hours a day.

So you got to get people up out the bed. You know what I mean? So the thing about Miami, though, you can go to the game at 7. It's over at 1030. Go home and get you some rest to about three. And then hit the spot. They're still tired. You're good.

You're saying who's 10. Yes, sir. So you're going to make two nights and look. Y'all are going to need the camera. is following y'all if y'all if y'all get together tomorrow for real and mike don't get on the fill and do none of those moves you normally do why you got a killer with you because this would be all bad for killer if you do we should be able to take care of louis yeah if you laying on the fill mike and all that is going to be crazy killer so you got to keep mike on his best behavior

Listen, man, the thing about it, Murdo, Mike might not have me on my best behavior and I might not want to be on my best behavior. It's Miami. It's that area. It's what I told them. I'm so happy that my NFL crew. I wanted to play in mind. I won't say that. But I knew, you know, God knows better than me was best for me. You know, and I always said, I'm strong, but I ain't Hercules. And I can say, note a lot, but a I-A-N takes to a whole other place. You know what I'm saying? Those Colombian, Brazilians, Italians, Puerto Ricans, all out of Miami. And Miami is different.

So I just kind of, you know. The Colombians, Puerto Ricans and Italians, Mike. He took his man down. Right. They all their audience. I-A-Ns. Waiting on your pride. You're like, yeah, oh, we're only in the pocket right now, I'm sorry.

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my. I just want to add, I hope this happens. I would love to see this. Would love to see this. This would be some great behind the scenes. It is what it is footage. Yeah.

And, Kim, you don't even have to be on your best behavior. It's just something about the air and the field and being at the stadium, just all things. never you don't even know what you might end up doing no that's what I'm trying to see murder murder said be on your best behavior I don't I'm not looking to be on my best way I at the game I am look I'm in Mike I said keep Mike on his best baby I know you're not gonna be on you your best man don't Mike worse than me Mike was all the way in Brazil with his shirt off, painted like he was a part of the parade.

Somebody said, you see your own? I said, what is Mike doing right now? Mike had glitter on from head to toe. Mike is going out. That was fun, though. That was fun. And nobody knew who I was. You know, they just made.

A few people found, but a few people knew who you were. But you know, when you really know the majority of people, oh, you free? Oh, you really free? That little devil on that shoulder to be said, let's go all the way. You know what I'm saying? You got to talk to that joke. Yeah, yeah. I can't wait to see it happen. Okay, all. So before we actually start with football, just a quick basketball topic at the top of the show. So Russell Westbrook, he's found a home. He is no longer a free agent. He's officially signing a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings. You go first. Do you like this for him?

I love it for us. He's still out in the California area. You know what I mean? So close enough to home and everything like that. But what I really like, and this is basketball players. We don't, and football players, you don't get this opportunity.

You know, since in basketball, you really have two teams. You have that first team, the first five that goes in. And then you need somebody to leave that second. team, that second group. Russ can give you both, what we call it a double untundrum. He can be there for each spell you and give you that height, that tenacity, and you, he

always going a hundred and fifty miles per hour. So he's going to give you that, that excitement to now, now also what you can do is take a guy like Russ, all-star, most, uh, uh, you know, triple scoring games in the history of the NBA. Triple doubles in the history of the NBA. Now you say, Russ, you're no longer the real super, super star, but you could be the superstar of this whole second unit. In Sacramento, they were like 28th and been scoring.

It's like 27, 28 points a game. So now you bring in Russ. Rush can get that by himself. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes. But Sacramento still, even though they got. Russ they got the heart they got that fight and everything he'll be able to leave that second group sacramento's problem was outside shooting and and and russ doesn't help that much yeah they have dennis shrewda at the one i think is keon ellis at the two and and somehow they

moved zach levine to the three so i i think russ could probably even find itself in the star and five when it's all said and done i i don't see why not i i don't see why not i I think him and Dennis Schrooter plays, I'm going to play up to the same ability. But I think Dennis Schroeder is way more, way more skill. Russell Westbrook is just way more athletic. At the point, at the point. Yeah, at the point, you mean what you're really mean is

Dennis Schroeder will be more willing to pass the ball when he gets it. Remember, that was Russ issue in Oklahoma. Let's get that boy. Hey, this is my. He took that thing to the back. So, you know, he's got a little bit better. He's got a little bit better as he gotten a little older, understanding and realizing that he's not no longer the primary score.

But still, you think about that. You're two starting, Schroeder and Russ. Man, everybody will be sagging in the lane and crowding up the paint on your team. Because they're going to remember, they'll say Russ, Schroeder, you guys go ahead on shoot that three. They're letting them shoot that three. So, yeah, they're going to need some shooters and not those two. Yes, and then even if you move them to the second unit,

I think they become way more explosive as well. So either way I see it working, even with him and Malik Monk coming off the bench, those are two explosive guards that could come off the bench and really make a difference in the game, even if it's for a short spurt. So I think this is a brilliant move. I didn't even think of Sacramento and it keeps him like you said in California he doesn't want to go that far from home

I thought he would end up back in Houston but I'm very happy for us to be on Sacramento yeah me too we can yeah we could definitely pump the brakes on star unit like y'all didn't mention DeMar de Rosen whatsoever demar de Rosen right and Zach Levine is definitely going to start before

par me is going to start before Russell Westbrook. But I am happy Russ stayed in the league, and I'm a big Russell Westbrook fan because he doesn't cheat the game. He gives you 110% every game that he comes in. I'm just more of a person that's like, damn, I hope it works for Russ somewhere.

Because we've seen him come off the bench. We've seen him take a back step on different teams. We've seen him do that with the Lakers. We've seen them do that with the clip was. We've seen them play second fiddle in Houston. Look, he's been around the last couple of years. And like Mike said to begin the show, this is a dude who averaged the triple double in the NBA. Like, you know, it was a big thing.

Like, you know, nobody did Oscar. He did it more than once. You know, they always bring up Oscar Robinson. Nobody did it since Oscar Robinson. Look, Russ did it. I remember God bless the dead, Nipsey Russell died. He stayed in the game and got 20 points, 20 rebounds, and 20 assists. I don't even know how you calculate that,

to look up into stats and say how many more rebounds I need, or you better make this layup so I get an assist. And that's just a tribute to his talent. But for the last few years, just finding the right place for him to fit in that, it's just been sad to watch because, like I said, I'm a big fan. Does this make Sacramento a team or a favorite in the West Palmie? No. No. It's more just we're happy that Russ didn't have to go overseas and get a check and we still can see him play in the NBA. But is it going to put Sacramento over the top and make them a favorite in the Western Conference? No, it's not. Absolutely not. So I'm happy for Russ, but at the same time, I still, Russia is still one of people that I want to see, get a championship. You got to think about this. It's a few people that's, you know, on the way out. And I'm not counting Russ's clock or nobody, but.

You think about Chris Paul, never won a championship, 20 years in the league, however long it's been, you think about a Russell Westbrook, never won a championship. And there's a few people. We see my homeboy, and shout to my nigga Carmelo Anthony, he ended up leaving without a championship, you know, and then it falls into that phase of all these great stars when you go to think about Carl Malone or John Stockton or Reggie Miller or Patrick Urey, all these people who, Charles Barkley included, that were great. super stars but didn't want to chip and right now it just looked like rush is going to be one

of them superstars that miss out on the championship do i wish that absolutely not but it's just looking like that for the foregone future and you know what i always say cam it seemed like it's i don't want to say it's or it's something over those guys but it just seemed like something's over those guys because i remember when car malone went to the laker i thought oh that's it he'll get it down you know he got shot here you know what I mean oh he has his water around him and then something went down there you know what I mean it was like it just seems like yeah what we're down well we're down there well there's true or not indifferent and we ain't going to dwell on it because

God bless the dead he's not here to just to defend itself but the rumors started circulating and he was flirting with Kobe's wife and then he got hurt and you know You know, once that's, you know, that's the thing that happened with Shaq, I mean, not, not white for none and that shit. But when all that shit, outside the court and you're not cool off the court or the field, it translates in the basketball. Because like you said, that year he went to the Lakers. Think about this. Gary Payton went to the Lakers. They all tried to cheat and get a quick ring.

And then they work out. Yeah. Yep. The GP, my dog. I wasn't to have for, man. You know what I mean? I was like, dang, man. How can you not get it there, man?

It was just, yeah, that was bad. Well, you know, well, you know, Mike, he did end up a guy Payton, that's one, nigga, too. He ended up just sneaking down to Miami and get one. Right. Jack and Dewey way. Yeah, so. But Carl and John Stockton never did.

Carl and John Starvin. And those were some of the baddest boys in the world. The mailman, man, man. And John Stockton. What that was, that dude was super flagging. flag and all that stuff way before cooper flag you know it was just it was job stock was a tough white dude you you you want to translate basketball and football you want to tell i'll pick out that's what i'm seeing like a scatterball doing new york that's what stockton was in utah the tough

the tough hard white dude that didn't care done by no problem he ain't cut nothing about the brother i mean you just stock would talk about he played that's a fact that's a fact but you got to realize The difference between what that era, Mike, and what's going on now, is, it's, and don't get me wrong, that's my, and this is my bro, too. LeBron James is my bro. That's my nigga, Rich Paul shot to everybody over there clutch. But John Stockton, Carl Malone, Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, you know, if you want to throw GP in there, whoever else didn't get, it was Michael Jordan in their way. There's no excuse for nothing else right now. Michael Jordan was absolutely in everybody's way from 1991 until he left for the so

really the 90s was his and then you got to think about the 80s right you think about the 80s even though we're going back a little bit of time you got mad you got magic you got magic bird and Isaiah taking that whole decade up from the 80 and you know the six men and dr. J 1 1 2 as well but the 80s the 80s the 80s was magic Isaiah and bird and then Jordan had the 90s and but time and the 2000s came you got Shaq and Kobe and them niggas niggas bumped in the niggas like you know I'm saying what you bump into these type of people who have that will it's not going to let you just basically say you're going to win I know you like that you're not going to win I don't

in the much as I fuck with LeBron that's my bro and he would tend straight Eastern Conference finals or however many it is it's just different because people sit there and say okay we have a chance to win when you play Michael Jordan these stories we hear from people they still have a nightmares 30, 40 years later about playing Michael Joy. I sit there and listening to some of these podcasts, and they'd be like, yo, man, I couldn't sleep that night. I was waking up, sweating in the middle of the night. It was just a different thing.

My way, I waved the stories are told. But you had in the league then, you knew who was king at the time. Right now, okay, that may change at any year. But for a spell, it was magic, and magic. And then Jordan came in to take over the branding of the league from Magic and Bird. But at the time, Detroit was whoop and tail with that old tough game. Remember Michael Jordan had, after they kept sending him home, Michael Joy said right after one of the games, no more all season. We're in the weight room right now.

We got to get tougher because everybody was bullying Michael Jordan. The Detroit Pistonsons Bullying New York, right? New York was out there trying to bully him. So he had to fight his way in. They all had to fight the way in. That was the difference back then. You had bad boys, and they had dominant teams. You had the show.

It was like prison mentality. You got to step on the yard and beat the bad of Negro in this yard before we call you bad. You know what I'm saying? It was different then. Right. And last thing, let me give a little props to Isaiah Thomas, because Isaiah will have a fucking shit.

Because Isaiah, well, Isaiah has a fit. We, me and murder. He don't get his love, no, Cam. He don't get the love he deserves. Let's get his credit. Let's give us flat. Isaiah told us he's the best point guard ever. Because if you get, if he said,

everybody say magic, this is Isaiah words, not mine. Yeah. He said, you give me, give me, give me Kareem Abdujabbar, see what I do. I had John Sally. No disrespecting John Sally. And he said, think about my championships, Cam, and murder, because we was talking to Isaiah

when we said, you said, think about my championships. I beat Bird, I beat Jordan, and I beat Magic. I beat all three of them. And like you said, nobody brings that up. I think because of this, you know, Isaiah and Jordan, like you said, Mike, you made up a great point. Brandon Wise, the league went to Michael Joy and after Bird and Magic, and Isaiah gets lost

the translation sometime. And they always and he reminds me to remind you all, Yeah. Her, magic, joy, and damn, me. It was me. He wants that out there. I'm with him on that. I'm with him all that.

I'm with him all like that. But, but, but, but he's pumping a little too hard when he thinks he's better than magic. Oh. That's what you say. He said, his exact words, Mike, was if you make him six, eight. No, no, no, no. This is what he said.

If you make me six eight, then you give me Kareem. I don't know if we ever stop losing. That's the part I'm talking about because that's the part I'm talking about. Because magic said, oh, when you got Kareem, I can go down there and play that position and get it done. See, Isaiah, you bad. You bad as Isaiah. But magic was a different magic. You know, imagine you play all five positions and give you anything you needed.

Isaiah can't do that. But he was a beast of a player, man. You ought to give him his props. Yeah. Okay. Good discussion, y'all. Now we're going to get into the football. So tonight, the Steelers will play the Bengals. The NFL is calling this the Battle of the Unks, which we'll get into that later. This is the only the third time in NFL history. Two QBs are going against each other in their 40s, with the other being Tom Brady versus Drew Brees, which happened twice. So, Mike, who do you think wins this game? This NFL has gotten really to a place where I think the league, and most people want the league, a parity in everybody really do have a chance and really living the worst any given Sunday, especially with what we've seen the last few weeks.

I was talking to you guys about this. There's no domination or no dominance in the league. And I thought about it, the only team I could see that says dominance for me moving forward. Because I think every team at the end of this is going to be 10 and 7, 11, and 6. The only team that give me an outlier and make me totally not correct is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers right now. Because the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are playing and playing this way without all of their top players. So just imagine if they get better, they've been winning all these close games, if they can get better, Well, they will get better when they get everybody back.

They'd have a chance to dominate. But I still don't believe. I heard what coach said all week. I agree with coach. I don't know how someone in the division trade a starting quarterback to a division opponent, but somehow they're facing Flacco tomorrow with Cincinnati. But I think Flacco, he'll remember how many beatdowns, Pittsburgh has put on them, how many times they've gotten to the quarterback

and I think Pittsburgh win this game tomorrow. Pittsburgh is starting to get on a good little role, you know, when you get Aaron Rogers and D.K. Matt Cap putting up 90 plus yards the last few games and scoring touchdown. So, yeah, I got Pittsburgh in this. But remember, this is any given Sunday.

I won't declare anybody a definitive winner basically this year because any time every game's going to be determined by the play of the quarterback this season. That's how dependent everybody will be on their quarterbacks. Yeah, I think I think this is the wrong timing for Flacco. I think he didn't have enough time to run into this Pittsburgh team. I think if he's been playing a few weeks before tomorrow, maybe he wins that game.

But it's too close to just throw him in a starting quarterback. and then expect them to beat Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh is playing the best that they played since, I mean, in the last six years. So I don't think he can do anything with that. I think they zoom in on Flacco, and this is the game that he doesn't have a good game. But after this, I could see him doing very well.

Listen, I'm not being biased because it's the Bengals. Bengals win this game. The Bengals win this game. Absolutely. because Blocko didn't play bad last week and got traded at the beginning of the week. He didn't have really time to practice with the Bengals. And you're sitting there saying, okay, cool. It isn't like it's the Cleveland Browns.

You know who I receiver one and who I receive the two is? You know Jamar Chase is going to say, I need the Brown and couldn't get it to me. I just need niggins to get it in my direction. That's all I really. I think T. Higgins like get it into my direction. I think this week he had a full week. It isn't like he's coming off the couch. He's been starting since the season started.

And I think this is the week that he actually beat Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, don't get me wrong, Pittsburgh is looking really good, but are they looking better than they looked last year when they first started? This is what Pittsburgh does for the last couple years. They look good, and then they tank. Sorry, Statt. I know you got something to say after this.

This is what this is. That's how they started last year. And everybody's like, oh, we're going to run. And they're not going to win this game. And Joe Flacco is not a stranger to this division. I know it's been a long time and people forget what happened last night. And it's not the same people. People then came, left, and retired, moved on, new coaches, et cetera.

Joe Flacco, because of Lamar Jackson, people tend to forget Joe Flacco is a Super Bowl champion. in from this division from the same division he played for Baltimore when he won his Super Bowl I think this is the game that he wins with the Bengals because he had enough time to get with Jamar and Higgins and I think that it's time for uh because Mike I do agree with Mike it's no dominant team and I think this is the week that Pittsburgh is going to take it out I think his best way to go about this is to just go about it like a pro bowl game and then it'll take all the pressure off. Just go out there and just play.

You said just go out like it's a Pro Bowl game and just give it your best shot at that point. Yeah. I will admit this game makes me a little bit nervous. Oh. It's not that I don't have faith in Pittsburgh because I still think that we have the upper hand in this game. I think it's just solely the fact that for me,

there are still some holes in our offense that I've seen, obviously. now we see that I am fully supporting Aaron Rogers because you know we're doing good we're on a three game winning streak and hopefully it'll be four but I think an issue that Pittsburgh still has I still think that we still have issues at our wide receiver positions

yes we have DK Metcalfe I'm still salty about the George Pickens trade and then I would say like our wide receiver two I would put it at Calvin Austin he's out for this game so I'm not exactly sure how things will go but if we can't pick it up too much on offense, even though I am confident in Aaron Rogers for this game,

I think that our defense will be able to help us win it. But I do think it's going to be a close game just because I don't think that the Bengals haven't fully figured out yet. So this is not to shit on Joe Flock and be like he's going to be bad. I don't think that that's the case. I just think that there are going to be some mistakes that are going to work to our advantage and in return, I think the Steelers win the game. And then hopefully we just continue our winning streak and having great weeks.

you know what viewers wait wait wait wait wait wait let me say something you know what viewers not only did Pittsburgh fade this time last year stats comments always change like this last year last year she started saying I'm nervous about this game and that was the turnaround of the whole season so not only was killer correct stat is now following the same trend of last year Let's see how that goes. It's not even a trend. Go ahead, Mike. No, let me save it.

Let me save it, because I'm with you on this. I'm with you on this. When you look at, right now, they're putting up 24 points a game. That's about what they were doing with Russ last year. I'm talking about Pittsburgh. I said they needed to get the 27, and they'd get the 27. That takes them to that next level that they would win games. But let me tell you the difference, the difference.

Ann Rogers, 24, it's with less mistakes from the quarterback position. Russ Wilson, 24, gave you some mistakes from the quarterback position. You see, so it's harder to win with Russell Wilson, 24, because now I'm getting mistakes at a quarterback position that could turn games around. You're more apt to win with Aaron Rogers, 24, or 23.8. the game because he doesn't make the same mistakes laid in the game like the Ann Rogers would because it couldn't see over the line of scrimmings. The ball got batted up and now intercepting and going the other way. It's things like that that you're seeing with the Pittsburgh stillers

that's making a difference and why they have the record to have. Yeah. So, Mike, are you saying that this is going to be the consistent fade as last year or you just, why are you recording this? I'm not sure. No, no, I don't think they will fall off like they fell off towards the end of last year. Falling off, it comes two ways. It's because we're not putting up any more points or we are making too many late mistakes. Pittsburgh was making too many late game mistakes, end of the game mistakes. And I don't think Jan Rogers will make those many late game mistakes. Don't light you up, but he won't make those many late game mistakes.

And yes, Cincinnati will have a chance in this game. They don't only have just 17 points a game, but that's only because Joe Browning was over there throwing the football. You can't count this as Joe Flackos throwing the football. So, Mike, what you're on the record right now, are you saying that you, you've never seen like athletes get older as the season went on? you have i know we've seen this in basketball is it possible that during this season am ron rogers just becomes a real 40-year-old and and mrs right right right but what i'm

saying yes aaron rogers can start showing that he's 40 and still not show that he's 40 Russell Wilson, when he starts showing, it shows. See, Aaron Rogers starts showing the East 40 shoulders down, but play the game, shoulders up in a way that you not know it. Remember Peyton Manning going to Denver. He won a Super Bowl, won his worst years statistically from a quarterback position. But what he did when he took him and put him in the game over Brock Oswald. It's because they had a defense.

They said, we don't need you make a late game mistakes. Peyton Manning won't do that. And that's how they won the Super Bowl. And Aaron Rogers is now subsiding and accepting that, saying, you know what? I just don't want to be the reason the team lose. I don't know. I no longer have to be the reason the team win. That's the capitulation he needed to win.

Yeah. I'll just add, I'm still confident in a win. And Aaron Rogers hasn't given me a reason to be like, like, ah, I don't trust him. The thing about Russ, because we keep talking about last season, think about last season, Rush just kept doing things that were not making sense. And we've seen it again this season.

Yeah, killer. Oh, my way things change. That's why Mike agree with me too. We weren't even both on camera and we both said the same thing. We started seeing problems that we hadn't even seen with him before. That's not like, okay, clearly it's the high. Clearly it's this, clearly it's that

because certain things were just not translating on the field. So it was frustrating. Eric Rogers hasn't made me frustrated yet. Russ felt pressure. Russ felt the pressure. Rush walking in here with a superstar woman and playing like a chunk.

Rush felt the pressure. Russ said, wait a minute. I'm walking in here with a superstar woman, a player like a chunk. I got a walk out holding my lady in here and they calling me names. Russ, get out of here. Rush or rusted.

Oh, rush you like a rust that type. They were killing that man. His woman heard that. I don't know how you go home and tap on the show. and say let's do something after he heard all that stuff. I don't know how you do that. You know, listen, man.

I'm not saying you wrong, Mike, but stat, the whole thing about it is to see people, like I said earlier in the last segment, niggins don't remember last night. Justin Fields was doing good to the point they were saying, damn, should we put Russell Wilson in? Well, he isn't passing the ball down the field. He's running. He's getting his yards. But they was winning.

And then Russ came in, and he was moving the ball down field and everybody was russell wilson now even statt too killer when i when i when i say niggins i mean stat okay there's russell now he's getting it down the field not just russle women not just russells i mean not just stat when i say niggas i mean the whole wilson family yeah papa stad too everybody yeah he's getting the ball down the field i ain't going For a front, Justin, Justin Fields, he was doing good, but he wasn't getting the ball down the field. And it was beautiful for three to four weeks, maybe five, and then shit crashed. And now he ain't tall, and he can't see over everything, but they love them.

And that's why I like, I do like what status saying, because she shows that she's not going to be loyal. I don't feel, I don't feel like I don't know. That's not what I said. Yes. I'm talking about not with the, not with the Steelers. I'm not, you're very loyal to the Steelers. I'm talking about. So Aaron Rogers, well, he's not giving me a reason

to make him feel away now. It's like if you fucking with a nigga and you're like, how he treat him? You'd be like, well, you do be coming in the crib on time and he do call and check on me and all that. The first time he got, he stayed off. He ain't giving me no reason to check his phone. That was really the next day at S.A.L.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then when he come in the house and seven in the morning, you like this, I knew this. nigger i knew that he went it was too good to be true that's exactly what stat is doing right now i will just add being a loyal football fan and trusting in a quarterback you get trust issues that is a real thing you got trust issues i'm happy today might not be happy tomorrow you just don't know things change so i'm just hoping for the best outcome that's all i could do All I know is I remember coming home.

The whole drive, God damn, what I'm going to say this time? I should have been home. You know what I'm saying? You're stupid by and my. Yeah. You, Mike. Hey, Cam, I remember them nice. Yeah.

Listen, man. Yeah, listen, I won't say my man. I won't, like you said, there's been plenty of them nice. for me too but the best one ever i ain't gonna say my man name my man walked in the house he was he got home late he walked in the house with an iv bag and he was that's the hospital dog i never heard that one that's a good one what the fuck you get irv back from don't worry about it kim i had to walk in with the iv join last night that i just i just checked myself out the hospital

And then, and then let me give you one last one real quick from a female's perspective. My man can't come in in late, you know, he's an artist, right? He's a musician. So, you know, when he come in late, you know, that's the biggest favorite? In his studio. I'm in the studio. That man, girl, came on one day, eight in the morning. He said, where the fuck he was at?

She said, I was in the studio. Oh, my, I ain't going to tell you the right. I was in the studio. He lost it. He lost it, murder. I was in the studio. So regarding the game tonight, we know the Steelers will play the Bengals. Let's get into our underdog picks of the day.

So underdog got Aaron Rogers at 29 and a half pass attempts. Do you have them higher, lower Mace? I'm going higher. Hey, Cam. Yeah, absolutely wrong. Hey, D.K. Metcalf is at 10.5 first quarter reception yards. Do you have them higher or lower cam? Yeah, higher. These are easy.

Okay. And Joe Flocko is at 230 and a half passing yards. Do you have them higher lower mace? I'm going higher. Okay. Now, this one's not easy because. Higgins and change. Chase. That's why, that's why exactly why it's not easy because that's what you expect if you're you got chaser higgins or one and two but you know you got to think about this too mike tomlin ain't stupid he know who to go to but it's another there was a catch that chase made last week and it was just like god damn uh i don't know you know might be loving him some cd land but i don't know if he could fuck the chase that corner the end zone kit that is on yeah that corner

yeah that shit was great yeah yeah i don't know what just Joe just through Joe Joe just said I don't know what the hell I see. I'm just throwing it. Yeah, yeah. He just threw that ball up. Yeah, yeah. And he was in double coverage. Yeah, right.

And he made the play. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go. And they're going to do some of it. They don't do that. Right. I'm going to go high. Okay.

Make sure y'all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So real quick before we go to breaks, I got two things. Because now that you guys brought that up, I forgot about this quote from Jamar Chase. So Cam, since this is your team, I just want to know your insight. your insight on what he said. Pause, man. Pause, all right. I didn't say it yet.

I ain't even say it yet. This is your team. This is what he said. Jamar Chase said, we know the Steelers are going to try to come in and raw dog us and kill us. But we're going to be ready for that challenge and we're going to be waiting for it. What? So Cameron, what do you think about what he had to say before this game? I was.

I mean, look, it's the middle of the season, man. They're going through a lot. They can call the QB1 damn. Sometimes niggas just ain't thinking about if they're going to make it is what it is and have to pause moment in a week. You know, he could clean his language up, but I understand where he's coming from, but he could have said a little better. But I heard it.

When I heard, I thought about you, Joe, I said, I said, yeah. They ain't going to kill him on the ball. They're going to kill him on the balls. I knew you would. I knew you would. But I also thought, I also thought, I also thought, you know what? Yeah.

He said that out of the abundance of his heart. You know what I mean? When he said, out of the abundance of your heart, the mouse speaketh. He didn't just say that. He felt that. He felt that. So somebody, I don't know, he must have lost the game. and he went on somebody he was somewhere and he went he gave you what he did he said i'm going

somewhere the wrong dog and tell somebody else that's what he did that's how i felt that when i heard it i was like wow yeah it was like it was definitely authentic just gonna turn it was authentic man that was something he heard that was something he felt before that was something he felt before yeah right right pause. It shows you the mentality going into this game, which is also why I think it's going to be close because the way people are talking about, I'm like, okay, this is this is where we're going with this. Okay. And then last question before we go to break, because the NFL is calling it the battle of the unks. Mike, going to let you go first. Just because I'm curious, what age do you consider an unc. You know what? Me and me and my friend, we've been talking a lot about this, you know, because I want to stand on forever. But she tried to make me believe that I'm going to senior citizen because, you know, At 60, they started getting at the movie. You know, and it's like, it's on a two

the night, you know? And so, wait a minute. We don't need the same, though. You just want to miss him with a brother. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, I think the should stay forever. You know, I have to think that now

since I'm getting towards forever. Oh, you talk? What are you asking me that question for? You've got to add somebody that's leaving on the state. But I think it should stay forever. I kind of like that. that term i like that term okay i like it over i like it over what they're doing at the movie giving negroes and getting their senior citizen rate don't get them call it an unc rate don't

call them senior citizen rate the ump rate hey i can take that they look at the unc rate you know what i'm saying no that nobody wants to send that bill of the senior citizen rate just for that you're like i just pay regular price i don't want to be no senior citizen rate i get it i'll take you i'll take the right yeah i'll take the side they play just take my money right don't hurt my heart with that right right that's valid mace uh in your opinion what age do you consider on specifically in football oh in football hmm 30 30's unc 32 yeah definitely 30 32 okay what about murder what about what about in life mace we retire um oh I think they start calling people Unk at around like 40, 40 in rap, 35 to 40 in rap.

Yep. Okay. Cam? I think it's dependent on who you're talking to. Yeah. Like, it depends on the person you're talking to. Like, for instance, right? I give you a great, great example. This is a hilarious, my, you know, my nigger Shug, my brother, he's 30,

his shorty is 28 his girl I asked I I do this shit to piss him off I say yo do you think you're dating the older man she said absolutely he said what older men what you talk about that I like he went off I said sure you you like eight years old and then I ain't no older man I said sure you're definitely an older man and then the next day because me and her cool that's my his girl is my home girl and the next day she should went out with her and her friends had she had all her friends calling him um the whole day he was pissed off he was mad about it your uncle make a left your uncle make it right but what it is he was so fucking mad so it depends on who you who you

talking to and the age that person is it's my personal is my personal opinion because it's It's another thing. You got to think about this, right? A 40-year-old today doesn't look like a 40-year-old in the 80s. Niggins is more hip. 40-year-old and 80-old person today. Like, you think about show, like, good times. James, I've been probably, he was about 38, 39 years old.

It's supposed to be. He looked bad. That nigger looked gray hair bent over, like, for us, the whole shit. Niggas is getting hip-a. You know, I'm going to give you a... I wasn't going to talk about this to as close to the time. Right now, working on a sitcom I'm doing, right? And, you know, I'm not, I'm going to be 50 next year.

And I'm working on a sitcom that I'm doing to where I'm still, I'm not Cam, but I'm playing like a person like myself, you know, getting a couple dollars, you know, living a great life, et cetera. But I want to check myself into the old folks home because once you're 50, you can check into old folks home. So I'm doing a sitcom now that I'm writing with my writers about how I, I'm checking in with old people, but I'm pulling up in the Rose Royces. I'm taking niggas' grandmas out to the booby trap, all type of shit.

Because we, we, we get, the older, niggas is getting hip-up. It ain't like we falling off. How you doing? A good time of your life. Yeah. A good time to be allowed, dog. You're right, dog. You dick, you dead-ass.

You dead-ass. Dead-ass. I go in places, right? I go in places, man. And I have this tradition, you know, with brothers, where I go to places, excuse me, especially if it's a brother in the bathroom working, right? You know, you know what it takes when the Bible says those that serve us all or the greatest of us all? You know what it takes when a brother's in the bathroom and make sure you get gum in a tissue to, you know. So I always honor that brother. I always ask how old are you. So whatever age they tell me, that's the tip every time I see him. So if he's 50, if he's 60, I'm going to give him $60 every time I come in the bathroom. Sixth of a dog, dude, because, you know, just to appreciate that he's doing it legally. What if he's 20, Mike?

But if he's 20, I get him 20 off. And I give him 20, and I love a young dude. I said, man, I appreciate you being in here doing this. And now that they're doing that. Smash and grabs and all of those. jump so jump so but but but listen but listen i went in there the other night and the dude like uh i and the dude had to be lying to me he said uh uh uh uh um i'm 60 i said damn i know i don't look like this Nick. I ain't know what I looked like this.

And so I was talking about it, but I was talking about it. It messed with me. I was like that. I was like that. I was like, I was like, am I not saying me right? Do I look like this? I was like, am I not seeing me right? damn I couldn't look like that you know what I'm saying but yeah yeah that thing is

different man that thing's funny yeah yeah we getting up as we get older man so that's how I feel about that's a good conversation yeah and definitely because the narrative has definitely shifted so what people thought it was or thought it wasn't cool is definitely not that anymore but to cam's point it is based on everybody's perspective because i remember i interviewed joe burrow and he was like i think unc is 40 plus but then when i asked mike evans about it he's like i'm only 30 and people think that I'm unk. And in my opinion, I think I think Unk is like late 30s when you're like hitting about that 40s. So it depends. So in the comments down below, let us know what age, y'all think the unk is. Let me just say that. Just understand the real Unkney after are older than all of us.

It's Uncle Benjamin Franklin, Uncle George Washington, and all of Thomas Jefferson, all the on the Dollar Bill. They're older than all of us and they're after those on us. Don't they just remember. Yo, Mike, you know what I'm saying. Mike, let me add on. Let me add on that before we go to break, Mike. Because you know what? When niggins start an age thing, right?

Because you know, I'd be like, oh, you older, and I'd be like, how old are you? Maybe like, I'm 25. And I'd be like, what you're doing? They'd be like, now I'm about to do this. I'm like, I had a million and 25. You're late. I don't know what you're going to try like, you're talking about. But I don't know 25 out of a half, nigga.

So I've been up for, for, for, for, for, for, double your life and you late to the party, you motherfucking might as well be my age and clock out because you ain't doing what I'm doing. You actually ain't getting it like I was getting it. So whatever, you get a shame. So to your point, Mike, I always pull that out. Fuck as you talking about, and somebody

I've seen, I seen speed the stream of speed. Yeah. Yeah. And he asked, he didn't, he didn't realize who he's talking to. At least I didn't think so. He was talking to Tracy McGregory. And he was like, well, what was you doing when you was

23. Tracy McGrady looked down and said average in 30 and walked off on him. Fuck it. Don't look back to him like, fuck is this nigga. You don't know me. I don't know you. I was averaging 20, 30 when I was frankly. Then I googled it. The nigger was averaging 29.8 at 23 years old. It's all about perspective. Definitely is. Okay, y'all. We're going to go to break. We'll be right back. Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, baby

She's tired of hearing I don't know What's stubborn in me won't fall Oh, oh dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinking about She want to be free Welcome back

so we got a little bit of a think piece here so cam new and explained that he asked his girlfriend for a list of all her previous sexual partners before the relationship he said he asked this because quote i want to know because before i sit up here and really keep moving and elevating our relationship i want to know who got one up on me and if i'm willing to take on that burden if you had any type of relationship intimacy experiences with people that i really know i need to know that i'm owed that he clarified that his request came from a place of respect not insecurity mike but i'm going to ask you first do you view this is reasonable or do you think it's invasive i think it's absolutely reasonable now let's back up let's back up let's back up let's back up you you you are not rying in coach

are not dealing in baggage claim let me make sure that you get this perspective of yourself before i see you as this so if you had been having some coaching baggage claim niggas let me know now so so i just say you know what i'm because because i don't want to put you on this pedestal as my queen and here come one of these coach baggage claim niggins talking about i told them I want to know that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, a lot of people are going to say a lot of things. But Cam, I ain't saying I necessarily agree with it all. But Mace, you said, like Chris Rock said, I understand. You know what I'm saying? You can't. You knew all the nigger want to say is I had Cam. Everybody that never made it to the NFL that sat here and lied to you on my coach standing like me. I hurt my knee.

I heard my knee here with. Oh, my ankle went bad. Oh, them lie. The only thing makes himself better is he said, I ain't never played in a leave, but I had Cam Newton, girl. I told him. I can't get a nigga that. Are you joking? Stop playing around.

Cam was within his rights for what he's going to deliver. liver to ask what grounds have you set your feet upon. I got no problem with it. Okay, Cam. Listen, I got, and I, yeah, I got a question from Mike. It's a, it's a one question, but it's two-part question. First of all, you're 100% right and Cam is right. Now, let me ask you this, Mike.

Is it about how many people you had or who you had or a combination of both? Well, that's an interesting question, because how many changes how you, if how many change how you feel, that's an issue, that's an issue, it's an issue, you know what I mean? But if you just, if you're how many, they all, because you all, how many can really help me. you ain't going to meet any certainly you won't be many if you meet any quite like Mike so everybody you had before help me

help me I just got to make sure it's a number that I can reasonably deal and not go crazy about you see what I mean I don't mind about any of them they won't any of them won't give you quite what might give you

so I'm okay with that they all help me you all say them niggas fell short you know what I mean But in the end, I still got to be able to rationalize the numbers. So if you feel quite all right, yeah, okay, the number wasn't out of head. But if you don't feel the same, yeah, yeah, that might be something different. We got to look at that number again. You know what I'm saying?

All right, one more question for I answer the question. Now, if it's somebody that you like the girl, you wouldn't have known that. Now, what if there's somebody she's been with that you just absolutely hate, but she was up front with you about it and was like, look, I've been with this person. I ain't been with them for years, but I just wanted to show you the respect and tell you that I've been with this, nigga. Yeah, I ain't got a problem with that. I don't have a problem.

It ain't got anything to do with what relationship I've had with the dude. I don't have a relationship with that. Because I don't have no dude. holding free rent in my head you know what i'm saying right there's no joker out here that i can say hmm i don't worry about him running up on me or something i ain't i ain't sweating that you know what i mean you could do all of that one so so that that doesn't bother me that doesn't bother me now this will this will you know you know his greatest life would have been me so since he's falling short of me and now he sees that you are with me oh he gonna turn up the heat coming after you if you succumbed

this then i have to i have to make some move from that right now because you made a great point a lot and that's a fantastic point because sometimes niggas don't even know the girl name they just might be like now that's michael joint oh that's michael that's all they're gonna say that's all they're going to say yeah that's all they're going to say and it's just they think it it is all the pains and them niggas didn't make it and somehow some way oh this makes it okay they ain't become shit ah i know i ain't make the league nigger but i hear my goal girl i hit my girl yeah please they don't out of here with all that you know you know you get the deal right over the head that's what i'm talking about right exactly and i'll just reference

a couple of movies. Like, I don't know Mike might have, but I don't know if you ever seen the movie, Meet the Parents? So it's a movie called Meet the Parent. You seen that's that? Of course, you haven't. But anyway, the girl goes with her fiance's ex-boyfriend's house

and they get in a conversation and they're like, and he's like, yeah, man, you lucked up with her. She's a real tongue cat. And they look out of life and then he approaches the girl This girl, like, y'all was just talking to your ex. And she's like, well, why do you care? It wasn't love. It was just some, we had great sex.

It was some sexual thing. That doesn't make a nigga feel better either. Right. But at least you know, at least you know, now you got movies like the best man. Your homeboy, you don't boat your girl, and you don't, you're not even telling them, and everybody's around each other.

Imagine everybody at the dinner table, knowing another nigga at the dinner table, boncha fiancee, and you're the only nigger that don't know. That's where I'm at. If you tell me what's going on, we can work around it. But if you sit there

and I'm the last nigga in the room to know, it's a dub, because you have me sitting here around everybody for I don't know how long looking stupid and fuck all these niggas too that's supposed to be my friends and y'all know, and y'all ain't telling me, especially the nigga who's bone

and you're supposed to be my man. So to me, it's not about, it's more about who you wear and the communication. If you're telling me, yo, this happened, that happened, and that's my choice to say I can live with that or I can live with that. But as far as just what Cam Newton said, I think he's 100% in his rights because to me, to me, it sounds like that's something. When Mike started his segment with this segment off when you asked him the question was, it sounds like if somebody, look, ladies, say you're like this. If somebody asks you this, that means they like you and they're willing to invest in you.

And that's why those questions are asked. If he didn't give a fuck, he wouldn't give a fuck. Like, yo, whatever, it was like seeing you today, see you tomorrow, whatever, see you next week, see you in a year or two. If you're asking those questions, that means he really liked him. So don't feel offended, feel privileged, because it looked like he's willing to do more if he's asking those type of questions. But let me say this. Let me say, let me draw out this piece, though. But if you, if you, if you, if you what I call the B&B, I, I can't do that with that.

What's the B&B? If you bust up my best, nigga? You know, you got to get out of here. Oh, you busted my best? Oh, I'm out of you. I got this to do that. You B&B. You're busting my, yeah.

What am I doing this? So, you know what I mean? you got that didn't that that that's okay but being b not yeah no no film that's a great that's a great point because you know what it is yo mike i love that that you said that because you know why it's because you know listen man be entertainer athlete whatever sometimes you get you get thrown around because that's what they want you're gonna close up you may close up but you can't be in me you can't be in me yeah you can't be yeah yeah no No, but no, listen, let me give you an example, right?

This is what I'm saying. I'll give you an example. And just, just purely an example, not saying this happened anything. You know, and y'all, you know, and you're probably, you know, you, I'm just saying. Go here. Listen, look, you, you, you, you hit a joint, Dion hit a joint. And whatever, y'all are having fun and what, not necessarily together, you know, you hit it. Everybody's cool.

And then she'd be like, Mike, I really like you. I don't want to, you know, what's up me in you? It's too late. Yo, yeah, what do you think? Like, yo, I know you like me, but you already did what you did. It's right. Yeah, it's that time had to join.

And, you know, and DM's, I should think he said, but then you know, you got to hear creep out with Dion, right? And then we were playing in a game. I didn't know what I enjoyed like that, right? I gave it a ticket right there in what we call, you know, the rope. We called it the row. That's where you put, you know, and they were right in back and back. So, so we've had scored this down right on, and they were jumping around.

Then I said, hey, man, who got that right now? Who got that right here? I said, boy, he said, boy, we did that doctor from? I said, what you mean, doctor? That's a doctor right there. I said, oh, you know, you know her? I know that doctor. You know what I'm saying?

We're in the middle of a game, you know. So that was the end of what we could go. Because he already seen it. You know, he knew that doctor. So I was like, yeah, okay, I got a, yeah, that was cool. But that was the last game for her. yeah I'm gonna be with Deion too much to have this in between us so

so we can't add any between us to have some joke ain't gonna never see now but i'll be with Dion everything oh damn yeah yeah yeah so that as a fact Dion calls me actually he called it he'll mess with me you'll see him he'll say oh james and this was way back in the day when we went out we went someone he was doing these events in Puerto Rico and we were coming in we had the parents and they're there something he was doing and we had went to going to dinner we came that's and no man i got to get some sleep we got an early morning and we had met this beautiful person down on stairs and i was going to the room and and i said man i got to get

sleep and say yeah let's go sleep so we went to the room next day he came back knocked on a dog you know i'm a little laid i'm trying to brush you know didn't wrong he said what he said i thought you say we're going to sleep he said from now and i'm calling you james dublin you doubled back on me you james doublin so every time you see me he'll say oh james she'll just say nobody knows but but he and i like i take you're gonna double back on me. Oh, James, you know. So that's our thing. So, no, I can't have it. If you been, no, not with Dion, we can't do that. Yeah, we can't do that. No, which is valid. I totally understand. Real quick, I do want to add because I know people are probably curious on the girl's point of YouTube. She said, I actually love the fact that he has my list. It's such a weight off my chest. So there you have it. That is her response. That's how she's feeling. So it works. So shout out right then. That's what I'll add. And that also, hey, give a props on this. Give a props on this.

When she said, here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. Much love to her. Because what she's saying is, you got it. And let's stop them niggas from trying to creep back now that I'm with you. I told him when I left you, when I left them, I'm going to find something better. And now that I found something better, they're back in my box. Now I'm glad you know now.

Help me with these niggas that's in my box again. Because they think they're trying to get some of your money. I told him, I'm spending all that myself. I ain't get you niggins, no. That's why I cut you a nigga. You see what I'm saying. You know, that's how I really go down. I'm just giving y'all the real laylo.

That's a fact. Yo, stat, let me ask you, you need to know too for a nigger. It depends. It really depends. Because I don't feel like I need to know, but if he feels like I need to know, then I probably need. need to know because there's nothing off the top of my head that it would have me at too

much of a concern but it also depends on the type of people that you typically talk to so i'm not really but right but if he had but even if he's scavenging if he's done anything around your best friends your great friends he has to tell you now yeah if it was with my best friends though like typically i'm just things just come to me that sometimes i don't want to know So I'm a know every time. So I would rather just be upfront and honest. But like, I'm not gonna lie, certain, certain careers, yeah, I wanna know. And certain ones, it depends.

Can, what were you gonna say? No, I was just basically saying, but you kind of already answered, like, what if y'all all out eating? And nigga, devil backed on the homie. Y'all, y'all ordered dinner, you know, yeah. That's dead. Without saying too much, I've definitely heard of a situation like that. So. No, no, stat.

But it's too late. You went too deep now. Well, now that we're talking about it, I'm like, low-key, I do kind of ask. Because that has happened before, before I was in it. Because, like I said, things come to me that I don't want to know half the time. So before they can even tell me, I probably already know. And that's dead because if you talk to the friends, it's, it's clipped, it's wraps, it's done, it's over. But now it's something I don't kind of worry about it all anymore, so we get over here. That's what I'll ask.

Okay, y'all, well, that is all the time that we have for today. This is a great discussion, great, a lot of good topics. So that was great. Mike, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Yeah, that's just a hell of an end right there, as you know what I'm saying. right you sure we don't want to get one more football top again to give us with this medicine we just gave him you see what the grand finale will be y'all at the game that will be the grand finale y'all at the miami game i would love to see that so i'm hoping it happens

see it yeah my man me me me and old james dublin baby I took the joke that still, hurry. There we go. Hey, y'all, thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Everything, nigger, super size. Two big necks. Like when they doing them two for five.