IT IS WHAT IT IS - TATUM & THE CELTICS VS. EVERYBODY, WEMBY'S BREAKOUT & THE BEST ADVICE MASE & CAMRON EVER GOT

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

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Okay, we back at it. Andrew Wilson, aka Statt, baby, along with your host, Mace. Killer was good, man. Y'all try to lock me out the show today, try to make me late. I was here early, stat. I was here so early, stat. I believe you. I do believe you.

This is amazing. This is amazing. I was here at 9 o'clock. I come in, Nick, shows me, oh, we can't get your sound. Cam, like y'all, if you're not ready to record at this time. I can't wait. This is what you did to meet over the day.

But you know what, Nick, I screen recorded it when we, the other day. The other day. I'm going to send you a clip, Nick. I want you to put it right here. This is Mace walking in, before the new rule, this is put right here. It's Mace walking and 20 minutes later going like this. whatever you're knocking it

if we could go to this slip and that would be great having the benefit or the doubt no matter who you connected to sure yeah but I'm kind of let like the way

framed it that's just for you all can just say yeah I don't want to make it about that that's what I'm basically saying yeah so you should just went out

oh you are no clip Nick ha ha ha ha ha ha You show that clip in your clip, Nick. I'm telling you now. That's crazy, man. I don't have no more time for the bubble thumbs off or nothing. That's crazy.

That's wild, man. That's wild. See, Statt, we grew up where you couldn't tell a truth. They won't let you tell it. If you wait too long. You never keep the truth to yourself. Yeah, if you wait too long, nigga, you lie. Oh, what's that?

You'll say something right then and there? It doesn't matter. Nobody cares. We already know what we believe. Back. I'm learning. I'm learning. But good to see y'all.

Everybody's here, and it's daylight savings, which I'm not a fan of, because it's really throwing me off. But is daylight savings? Yes. Yeah, yesterday was daylight savings. Okay. You know these plots automatically go up now, so you don't, you know, stat might not even be old enough to know when you had to officially turn your own clock back

because the phones ain't doing for it. It wasn't no phone. You have to have an action fix your watch. Yeah. I didn't even realize it, man. Well, happy daylight savings. Right. I had to change it on my, my, my,

oven. It just threw me off because I sat and I washed it. And it makes, you don't feel the difference. Like, you don't feel like, dang. No. This is my season. I feel like I'm up. This my season. Well, that's good. Yeah. Yeah, this is the season. You got to seize the day for sure. Okay. Let's get into some basketball, starting with a couple days ago, because Jason Tatum made his return game versus the Mabs. Boston actually won that game 120 to 100, and he scored 15 points, 12 rebounds, and 7 assists. Who won the game? I couldn't hear you.

Who? The Celtics. I can't hear you. Who won it? The Celtics. Oh, I heard you right. Did you think you guys are going to win it? Let's get into that.

How did you play the logic? Let Cam go first. Yeah, Cam, you go first. I didn't pick the Celtics not to win I don't know I'm like confused by what you're talking about I didn't even pick the Celtics

Oh no that was sin That was saying we was talking about Oh What I will What I will say is this I know because you're the You know credit hoarder I will give you this

For your credit For your credit file That Jason Tatum started the game That's what I said That I wasn't sure He would start the game So I will say that But I never said

That the Boston Celtics wasn't going to win that game. I didn't say that. But Jason Tatum did start the game. The first half, well, let's not say the first half. The first, what is it? 22 minutes, he looked terrible.

He was 0 for 7. He went to the basket and caught a spasal. I don't know what they call it these days. But when he was by himself at the basket, and when the basketball hits the front of the rim, we used to call that a spasal when we was growing up. He caught one of those. I was thinking like, damn, he doesn't have his lift.

He doesn't have his jump. It didn't look good. The very first half, I put the first half. But as the game went on, third quarter, he came out, fire, looked really, really good. Credit, like I said, to Joe Mazzula, because just using them and getting back, pause and getting them back into the groove of things, you know. Even May said it, like saying he would start, I didn't think he started just because you want to get him back in the groove of things. But to Mace's credit and to Joe Majula's credit,

I think that was mentally best for him. Just watching him play, because you could tell, even after the game in his postgame interview, he was just very emotional about it saying how he cried at night and he doubted himself and he didn't think this day would come, even though he wasn't even out more than 10 months. But I can imagine that process just trying to be Jason Tatum. So I think that was the correct thing to do.

Joe Manzula and Mace, of course, credit. Because you don't want to, just looking at his mental after the game, you didn't want to bring him off the bench and have him doubting himself because he was saying how he doubted himself. And it took a little while for him to get back in the groove of things. But once he did, it looked like I was saying about another, he played again yesterday, looked really good against Cleveland. as well. The whole team

decent looked really good. Boston looks like a problem yesterday, especially the way they smacked up on Cleveland. You know, Friday was one thing, but yesterday against Cleveland, Boston looks like a very, very big problem. They manhandled Cleveland. So looking

forward to seeing Jason Tatum get back to full strength. It looks like it's probably going to take him about maybe eight to ten games to get back to the Tatum that we're used to seeing. But it did look like Jaylan Brown look phenomenal. He looked like, okay, don't worry about it,

little bro or big bro. I don't know who's older, younger, but, nigga, get back in the groove of things. And the meantime, I got us. He looked like an alpha on the court, Jalen Brown that is. So it was good to see JT back out there. And the Celtics look really good over this past weekend.

Yeah, yeah, that was a good take. Because I thought about it when you're going through these type of things as a player, right, and you're used to playing so phenomenal, and you've been gone for 10 months. Ten months may seem like a short time to us, but for a woman, that's the time they even make a baby and to have the baby and they go from single to a parent.

So when you're in basketball years, I'm in basketball time, 10 months is a long time because it's a whole season for some people. And for Tatum, when you're people like that, like killer, myself, people who have grown up since they was little, they just played basketball. That time away from it when you're in the peak of your career

is like a long time. And when you're not known for many other things and that is the thing that's not present, it could seem like a whole lot. So I don't know, you know, Killer, you went through like any injuries, but I remember I tore my killies and I was out. I felt like, man, what am I gonna do? I don't do anything else.

I don't, you know what I'm saying? I don't play any other sport. This is what I know and just thinking about getting out there. If I wasn't fast, how could I make the moves that I make? How could I, you know, make the plays that I make? So now I'm thinking about somebody like Tatum, when you see him like go to the rack and, you know, like killer said, catching a spasm, it's like, am I the same guy? All of these questions, whether a person said or not, they go through a person's mind. And I'm glad he was able to articulate that because that's going to be part of what he has to do for the next couple of games.

Like we'll see sparks of him being exactly who he used to be. Then we'll see, you know, flashes of like, is he the same? But that's all a part of the process. And I'm happy that he's taking that journey. And I'm glad for Missoula for starting him because that helps with the psychological part of basketball that he's looking into now. because if you bring him off the bench and he gets in the game, killer and get that spasm

that will double down on that voice in his head that's telling him you may not be the same guy and all he need is a Lance Stevenson or one of them to blow in his ear, pausing. Your game is over and who knows? Who knows how

mentally strong he is? So, you know, that only work with people that that can handle it. If they can't handle it, it would be over for them. Yeah. You both had really good takes, and I want to ask you all this because obviously, like Cam quoted some of the things that he said post-game,

like he had himself in his career, and you're talking about the mental part of things. So what are you guys' expectations from an athlete that returns from injury? Like, what do they have to do to be considered, like, a successful comeback? Because I know in his brain, he might be like, I need to do this and I need to do that. Like from public perception, what do you think that entails for it to be considered a successful comeback?

I think in order for him to have a successful comeback, he has to take his time, right? There's too many athletes that get re-injured trying to go back to rare form, from injury to rare form, right? You have to go through these steps. I remember Clay did this well. Who else did it well? Kobe did it phenomenally, right? So you got to have those reps that you're playing outside of basketball in your practice time. And then you have to slowly get into like, no, for this quarter, I'm just going to move the ball. For this quarter, I'm going to assert myself. And then on this quarter, I'm going to try to play some defense. And it becomes a process to where before you know it, this person is out there back at rare form. But you got to poise your sense. and say, I'm just trying to get this part done in this game.

I'm going to be a facilitator in this first quarter. I'm going to be a, I'm going to play defense in the second quarter. And the third quarter, I'm going to go for it. And I'm shooting every shot I get. I'm shooting every bas. Every time you pass me the ball, I'm shooting it. So to make sure you, you're just being the go-to person for one quarter, then it'll elevate the two, three, and four.

And then before you know, you're back at rear form. Yeah, I don't think, everybody comes back the same. I don't think to me, I think it's been games where Clay Thompson has showed signs of being good, but I don't think he was the same player. And it's not Achilles. He got the ACL, which is a different injury. But I think where ACL just talking to people,

when made Clay good, not saying, we all know him from shooting, but he was a top defender as well. And your lateral, when you tear or mess up your ACL, that affects him on defense. Kobe, we know what kind of monster Kobe is, but the number one player to me, talking about coming back from injury, like I said, I don't know because I told all the ligaments in my ankle and got kicked out of college

and then was a rapper. So I never even really tried to go back after a major injury. So the number one player to me, though, just off the top of my head sitting there thinking after you asked that question set, the person I would talk to is Kevin Durant

Kevin Durant he could come right back he took a little longer but you know what he had to come back to and pick that right where he left off I think he's now number he just passed somebody on the scoring list that you can look it up when you're talking

taking his take but he's like whatever it is 7, 8, 6 whatever number he passed we have to think about this right Kevin Durant missed two seasons and still is a top 10 scorer right now presently all time and kind of just picked up where he left off. I think that's why also somebody like Kyrie Irvin, right? Let's think about Kyrie Irvin.

I don't think he's going to rush to come back because of all the herky jerky poor shit that he does. You know, it's one thing running up and down the court. That's why I explained the sin to being that you bought Sin up murder. Sin had, you know, when he was in Vegas, he took his Achilles and you know Sun's walking around

after five, six months talking about, yeah, I don't be knowing what's wrong with these niggas. You know what I'm saying? You're not cutting. You're not sprinting.

You're not backpedaling. You're not jumping around. He said he don't know about me. He said he don't know. He's crazy. Yeah, he don't know what's up with these niggas. Because he walking in five months to sleep.

I said, you don't know what in tales of running up and down the floor for 48 minutes for 82 games. And back to Kyrie Irvin, I'm like, you know, a lot of his skill or talent, whatever you want to call it, is based upon his ball handling and finishing at the basket. That's why we love him so much. And he has to make sure he's 100% better. The thing about Achilles too shot to my nigger sham, because this is another argument that we had with Sin Me Sham and is that sham,

sham will tell you. And doctors told me this, too. You're better on breaking a bone than tearing your Achilles. Because a bone in a hellfast. Achilles, Achilles, because you know what it was, murder? Sin is saying how, you know, when we watch Paul George or Sean Livingston bone break, right? And it just looks gruesome.

So it looks worse than when we watch somebody who tears their Achilles, right? It just looks like, pop, it doesn't look that bad. But when you break a bone like Paul George or Sarin, it looks more gruesome. So he's like, that's worse than Achilles, which actually it isn't because the bone heals faster. Achilles, you have to have to do lifetime therapy if you're athlete. There's no stop therapy for your Achilles once you tear your Achilles if you're going to continue to do athlete stretching, whatever exercise. size period for it. So to me, the number one player from that injury that I would talk to or

look at as a model is Kevin Durant out of anybody I could think. And maybe somebody else. You can put in the comment section, everybody who's watching, but I would go with Kevin Derek off the top of my head. And Katie is six all time. So he passed Shaq, James Hardin, Will, and Dirk. Right. And he missed two seasons. And he's number six all time. Okay. And what number is James Hardin? James Hardin is ninth. Wow. Okay. So last week we were talking about where Boston ranks among the league, but now after seeing that return gain, seeing how Jason Tatum kind of came back into the flow of the rotation, let's just focus on the East. Is Boston the favorite to win the East Mace?

I'll try to give the Nick some credit, but after seeing this, I almost have to say it's a foregone conclusion Boston is coming out of the east, man. We're not hating on the Knicks. We love the Knicks. We love Worldwide West. Shout out to World Wide West.

Shout out to the whole Brunson family, right? Shout out to McElbridges. Shout out to everybody on the team. Even avocado, right? Shout out the avocado. Yeah. Albucault was crazy. Shout out of the Albucau.

Niggins going to eat that little thing. Oh, pause. Albuqueron. No, shut out to avocado. Yeah. Boston is going to be the team out of the East, man. know, make me regret my words, man. It's easy.

You're talking about it. What? Go ahead, Keller. Yeah, me, here's another one. The sin's getting a lot of light over, over this first 15 minutes. Me, Mason, sin was arguing over the weekend. And this is, you know, I didn't think we would get here.

I didn't think we were good. I mean, Missus was called an Averado, avocado. And what was he mad about? Oh, this was what he was mad about, Nick and Statt, that me and Mesa, J.B. Biggerstaff, or, or Missoula should get coached at the end. He called me going off, and I called Mace because I said, I can't do it. do it no more that we're not mentioning Mike Brown for Coach of the Year. And, yeah, he was mad.

Look at that. No. Yeah. Yeah, but he's mad about it. He has an attitude about it because we're not even putting them in the conversation, which Mike Brown inherited the same team that went to the eat. There's a game away from the championship. You know, I realize they're in the Eastern Conference finals.

They're one game away from a championship. Mace even brought up how they named. streets after players in the semifinals, semi-eastern country finals. I don't like it. Yeah, I didn't like it either. You know what I'm saying? But he calls me going off. And we basically got

into a whole Nick situation. And Mace asking, would you buy tickets to a Cisco concert tonight? And then Nick's sent response was, you're trying to mess with my brain. He said, no, I weren't.

He said, could. You don't subscribe to it. So just like you don't subscribe to Cisco, I don't subscribe to the next. And basically, that's what it boiled down to. It's simply saying, you're trying to mind fuck me, basically, to make a long story short. Stad, because I kept telling him, I said, Cisco was a good artist, but you're not going

because that's not what you want to support. So that's not the artist you want to support. That's why you're not going. And that's why we're not going with the Knicks. It's nothing against the person. You just have a preference. You know you got a preference, right, Stath? Yes.

You have people you prefer. A lot of my white friends tell us. me that. They said they're not racist. There's just people they prefer. Yeah. Yeah, we're going there. Yeah, we're going there. You want to go? We're going.

It's just people you prefer. You prefer. You got to people you prefer. Killer got people he's prefers. I know he does. There's people that you see that number and you don't answer it. Why don't you answer it, Seth? You don't prefer them. It doesn't make you racist, does it? Be around them. Oh, man. Yeah. But coming out to East, answer your question, Sorry I had to get into that because I just front that I'm using over the weekend. Yeah, man, listen, we picked the Knicks at the beginning of the season.

And the way we thought the Knicks would look is kind of how OKC is looking in the West. Even though they're defending champions, they're looking good. And we see San Antonio right on their tail, pause. But, you know, we think about Jay Dunn not playing the majority of season. We think about the plethora games that SGA has made, Miss, pardon me, and they still look really, really good. I thought that's how the Knicks would run the East. But with the acquisition of James Harden to Cleveland

and the way over this weekend, Austin looked, I want to be subject to change my mind. You know, right now Boston looks like the team of being the East. And when New York fans are going to say it's this, right? right. Well, we beat them last year. And this time and third, and we dismayed with their team. You know, that's what they run with, too. We don't ones who got Port Zingis out there. Y'all was talking to all this Drew Holiday shit, this time and the third. And they're kind of right, but let's not forget Jason Tatum did get hurt. Jalen Brown was playing hurt, which I'm not making

excuses for anybody. You win, you win. It is what it is. But this is more of a reason why Boston may have a chip on their shoulder. if they have to meet in the playoffs. If so, to me, what the Knicks should be more worried about than Boston is having to play Detroit. Now, somebody knocks Detroit out before they have to play each other, cool, but it pretty much seems like Detroit has their number. Now, regular season is not the playoffs,

but right now in three games, I believe it is, the average of a margin of 25 points per game and victory over the Knicks. So right now, I think, The inexperience of Detroit would put them right behind Boston, but right now I don't have the Knicks going to the championship. Maybe the conference finals depending on who they play. Well, since we brought up the next,

we might as well get into the Knicks game last night because they lost to the Lakers 110 to 97. So Mace, what did you learn from his Lakers win? How are we feeling about the Knicks as a whole? Is there an answer for this or, you know, they're cooling? Yeah, this is what I'd be telling. sin, man. I hate to have sin in the first 25 minutes of the show, but sin, you ask for this attention, then we give it to you. And every time we give you the attention, you niggins, you shy away

from the moment. The moment is too big. For some artists, for some celebrities, the light is too bright. I remember I went on the stage with this guy. He kept saying, man, you'll never let me do nothing, man. You never let me, Sean. I gave him the mic. We ran out on stage in front of 30,000, and that lights went, he was like, oh, my goodness, he was trying to say the words, and no words were coming out of his mouth. I had to say, yeah, use your words. He was like, I'm speaking, but he had hyperventilated. The moment was too big for him. The lights was too bright for them. This is what it's looking like with the Knicks. Every time they

start saying, oh, we ready, and then we put the spotlight on them, they shrink back pause from the moment. This is the Los Angeles Lakers. This is New York versus L.A. This is East Coast versus West Coast. You don't lose this

game if you lose any other game. You got to win this game. This is against King James. Why would you do that against Wemby in San Antonio? and then shrink against the Lakers. Where the Nick fans at today? Where are y'all at?

Hit me on the chat right now. Hit us in the comments right now. Write all your gripes down the page, Mace, his shirt, his hair cut. Do all the things you do normally right now, nigga. Where the Nick fans at right now? You keep action for it. this moment. I don't like it.

This is why we don't go with the Knicks because in a big market on a big day, they're gonna, they're gonna get invisible. And Mace, listen, I know you was yesterday was Sunday, so you was working and you probably just seen the highlights. LeBron

didn't even play, bro. And they lost. Oh my goodness. They let Austin Rees and Luca Dantzes. Two white boys, no disrespect. No disrespect. No disrespect, Nick. Yeah, they let them tear them up for 35 and 25, man.

Come on, man. How are you going to be gritting from the hood and you let some white boys beat you in basketball? That's going to be hard to explain. Especially in New York, you got your hair braided. Nicky, you got your 12 o'clock shadow. You won't be some white boys? Come on now.

Yeah, Austin Reeves went for 25. If I'm not mistaken, and I think Luca went for 35. But, bro, this is exactly what we're talking about. And Mace made a great point, right? When he says the moment, I told you, I'm sharing just a couple things me and Mace shared over the weekend, right, and talked about over the weekend. And Mace was explaining to me,

which I think he should do a segment one of these days when he gets Tom Hau. When he had an opportunity to get on as a rapper, it was right there. You had, it was, it was, it was that, well, if he didn't make that moment, I don't know where, not me or him would be right now. It was a, it was literally,

make it a breaking moment. It was no backtracking. It was everything and nothing. Like right now, right now my life, I made me sliding from underneath a car with a wrench. Trying to fix the alternative. If he didn't have that moment. And he had to sound that moment.

And listen, when he was telling me the story, I knew the story, but I didn't know the details. And he was telling me the details on how he met. He went to go meet Jermaine Dupreeva, I ended up meeting Puff. You know, it's a lot of details, which is another story for another time, but it was the making of breaking moment.

And he took the opportunity. You know, and when he told me the story, I just thought about one day, you know, Mace was on, and he had happened out of nothing, and everything else. And, you know, he came and picked me up, and we round around,

and he's like, I see me going to Jersey. I'm like, where are we going? He's like, I'm taking you the big house right now. And I'm like, what? Right now. And Mace took me to Big House. I didn't know where he was going. Because I was with Mace all the time.

I didn't know what he didn't tell me he didn't tell me it's tomorrow. He ain't telling me next Thursday. He said we're going right now to Big House. And I went to, he took me to Big House. I sat in the living room while I waited for him. I guess Big must have been the car. He said his leg was fucked up. And I went to his bedroom, pause.

the bed with two girls. And he also been making his album he put on beats. And I rap for 35 minutes straight. Every beat that came on. Every beat. Every beat that came on. It didn't matter what

it was, I rap to it. And that's the opportunity that he had. And that's the opportunity he gave me. And you have to take advantage of those opportunities, man. I didn't ask, y'all like that kind of beat, man.

You don't that beat too fast. man. Yo, give me one of the slower drinks. I like to, yo, you know what niggas be like that?

Like, yo, I don't like that B. I don't give a fuck with D.K. Moore. Niggins here be all Brady

talking about. I don't rap like that. Yeah. I ain't give a fuck with B. K. Moore. 35 men.

He got to the point where you say, nah, you good. Let me call my man, Un. You, you're,

I got more. Whatever. Whatever we. need to do. That's what we do. And the next don't do that. You have to do it when the opportunity presents itself, man. That's what we're talking

about. Yeah, you got to do it. Yeah, you got to do it. And shout out, you know. This is the day 29 years ago that Biggie lost his life. So shout out to the whole Christopher Wallace Foundation. Yes, yes. Thank you. Rest in peace, Mama Wallace.

Yeah. You know, all. of the children, Tiana, Christopher, you know, C's everybody, D-Rock, Money, L, C, gutter, Banga, the whole Junior Mafia, the snakes, tripe, and can't forget the original Queen Bee. I grew up with the original Queen Bee. You know, no shade, but I grew up with the original Queen Bee. Put some respect on her name, you know. I know she's different today, but put some respect.

on the queen put respect on the queen we don't have anything without the queen we don't have no female rappers without the queen i don't care how nice you think you are i got to put respect where it goes this is march night this is the day we only celebrate one christopher and that's christopher and that's christopher wallace man yep you all got to share more stories because i didn't even know that That's not even, like, that's full on talent. Because to be able to do that, I... Yeah, Killer was going crazy. And I couldn't...

Yeah, and I couldn't feel comfortable being with a New York nigga that ain't gonna go crazy like that. Killer went crazy. Killer went crazy. I was sitting there like, nigga, I told you. I'm an expert. Getting all the credit. I was getting the credit.

I was getting my credit there. I was getting my credit there. I was like, you a minute. I told you my... man was crazy, bro. No, that's the fact, because I won't say the other guy's name. They used to be with us. They used to rap.

And I remember Big Say, yeah, what's so and so. Because that big said was so. He was nice, too, when our niggins. And Mace was like, no, he good, but my man better than him. And I was like, all right, let's know. It's showtime. And like I said, like, listen, this story I'm telling you now

is nothing compared to the story. Mace had to do to get on. His story's a little longer and it needs to be heard out. But does Ray Mace actually got his deal is nothing compared to what I just told. It was even crazier, even crazy. You know what I'm saying?

So. I think that's dope. We'll get it out of you one day. We'll get there. And then real quick, back to the next because I know, I mean, like you said, two white boys really just had them messed up, which that is exactly what happens.

McKell Bridge has actually scored no points. and I know you were talking about Avicca, you want to call him, is that a nickname? No, he also didn't like Yeah, but I understand

my Nickster excited for him, though, but I'm just saying it. No point. Yeah, he was trolling sin. Yeah, I was trolling sin. I said, man,

you were against James Hardening, all those bigger guards, they're going to eat that little nigger, pause. He'll be avocado by the middle of the playoffs. We just started laughing.

So shout out to Ivarado. You know in New York, they're going to give you a nickname you don't like until you prove otherwise. This is true. Okay. So another game from last night, Spurs beat the Rockets, 145-2120. That was a very good game.

Mace, what do you think of this dominance from the Spurs? And then your team, your other team's loss. Well, is it Texas things that, you know? Whether it's San Antonio, Houston, it's a Texas thing. I don't look at it the same. It's like losing to your little brother, you know. It's like both of my teams, actually, you know. This thing is crazy, my man.

I mean, I'm being realistic. If you go and see the Harlem World album, since we- Did you start with the same story you have, my nigger, man? This nigger, wow, man. Even if you look at my picture when I, when I, I don't got time for this. I really don't. Go ahead, Myrtle.

I didn't mean the last step, man. Go ahead. Yeah, I mean, because four million people, five million people saw me with that Spurs hat on, Killer. I don't know why you acting like you didn't know about it. The Spurs, I had the Spurs hat on, Stad. If you go back and look at my first album, I got the Spurs hat on. I got on All Black with the Spurs hat.

Killer is new to the Spurs. We're going to let them join the team. man, you know, he likes his spurs because he saw me and the spurs hat. He never had a spurs hat. Tell him to go back and look at any day before that date that he had a spurs hat on. I know him. See, I knew he was going to go put a spurs hat on. That's why I said that date.

That date is October 27. You got one now? Did you have one now, brother? Do you have a spurs out now? Oh, half for hat. Much of snake skin and all that, man. I hate this, nigga. She's like to love to strap and all that in the back, man.

Come on, man. Get that, man. That I can't win. A bitch you line, step up. Go ahead. Step over my line. Step over my line. I apologize.

I apologize, man. Yeah. And, you know, this game, I expect Wendy to do this. Come playoff time, this is going to be a real interesting series because this Houston team is the only team I think could really match up with them. Pause, lengthwise, right? Because you got Katie, you got Sagoon, you got A-Men. And all of this is happening at the same time on the picking roads and the switches. So they're actually the team that can run with them and actually play with them.

if they get some more endurance on that Houston team. I think this is the series to watch. I think in the playoffs, this is going to be a great series, a seven-game series. But it's looking like Wembe is going to be the difference maker in that series. And this is why when you have a time to win, young players, win when you can, because all of this thinking you're going to win next year, it'll be a new person that we never even thought of.

I was just having this conversation. Like, even when they come to artists, right, there was a time we was watching different artists, rap, and then if they would have told you, hey, the next superstar is going to be from Disney. We would have never believed it. And the real, somebody knew came out and took over rap, and it forever changed it.

And that was Drake. You know, so the same way when you're playing ball, you may think you got necks and you really don't have next. So when it's your time to do it, you got to win right then and there. Because thinking we was going to have this Houston team and now Wemby is looking like he's coming into his own. And I know Killer says some few years from now, but it's looking like Wemby want to say something right now. And I'm here for it. Killers on you. Yeah, I actually did, but I was saying that.

even at the All-Star game, how he was seeing how he wants it this year. You know, wanting it and getting it's two different things, but I do agree with you, Mason. They, Spurs look like they want it now. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It looks like they actually want it right now, because they dominated this whole game,

and they actually won by 25 points. But it wasn't even like a close game. even when it got a little bit close, it still wasn't close. We know Kevin Durant's going to do what Kevin Durant does. And, you know, Segoorne had a decent game. But the balance of the spurs is just incredible. When you're thinking about Fox Castle, we always talk about them. But the center, damn, I can't think.

He played for Boston. He has championship experience. I don't think he won that year that they went there. But this is a team that has great balance. I'm talking about bench scoring, everything else. And it seems like they want it right now as opposed to, like I said, maybe two, three years from there. And the most impressive thing to me is they're wrecking against OKC,

which I think, not even think we know that they're leading the pack in the West. But they've been smacking OKC around this year. I think that this is my opinion when it comes to Houston. They need a point guard. They need a point guard and receive their fleet out. And I was, you know,

I was watching the first half a little bit. But majority of the second half, Kevin Durant's bringing the ball up. And when Kevin Durant is stepping over half court, they're double teaming him. And when they're double teaming them, they're basically saying, okay, you're not going to beat us.

let somebody else do it. Not saying amen and Saguna and everybody else isn't good. But that's a recipe for disaster. Kevin Durant, to me, not saying he can't bring the ball up, good, ball handle and everything else. But let's get that floor general on the floor, let Kevin Durant get in his spots and get to the basket. And I think that with their fleet being out,

Karen Durant's one of them niggas like, yo, move, niggie. Y'all niggas know I got the most experience over here more than everybody else. and I don't think that's a recipe for them to win. Even though he looks spectacular throughout the game, I just think that they need a point guard if they're going to make that jump or try and get a championship this year. I don't know how far out Fred Van Fleepe is

or if he's even coming back this year. But I don't think Amen is the point guard they need to get them over the hump. And it's even to the point where that's what I'm saying, you know, when you're looking at who's the point guard forward, small, forward, so he has amen. but to me it's Kevin Durant running point forward, at least for the second half of that game that I watched.

Not saying he can't do it, but I just think that they need a legit point guard to make that next step. Okay, now I want to backtrack to the Spurs game versus the Clippers before we go to break. So when he was seen pretty emotional after a 25-point comeback win when the Spurs actually won that game,

116 to 112. So in the post-game interview, he said he had zero left right now and went on to say that was one of the best wins. That was one of the best games, best parts of my career in my basketball life. So even just from this game and even that Rockets game, we're seeing these regular season games with a lot of high energy. Mace. What do you think of these emotions and this energy that WMB is kind of brought to the league as not even just lately, really, since he was drafted?

I really like it. And I really like it for this reason because that energy is contagious. It's contagious to the fans. It's contagious to it looked like the, um, the, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, Fox, how you say his name? De Aaron Fox. Yeah, Deerrin Fox. And when he's, when he's playing, it seems like he's the perfect player to be playing with Wemby in the pick and row.

So this energy is great for that. But one area is concerning to me, I don't want him to give so much of his energy that when it comes time to playoffs that he like tail off. when this is the time to start building that energy, but I need this energy to consistently stay through the playoffs. And sometime I remember it was a high school coach. You tried to tell us the same thing. Like, yeah, you're excited, Mace, but I need you to stay this way.

And it kind of messed me up because I was used to playing fiery all the time. But he wanted me to be more reserved for the playoffs. And it didn't work. So I'm not sure if that would be the case with Wimby. But I look forward to him. being that way all the way through because if he keeps this energy, I don't see anybody being able to beat them when you're really that tall and you really desire to play. He's hitting the

threes. He's getting excited about hitting threes. You know, it looked like he don't have to lead a Florida dunk. So it's just, this is a phenomenal phenomenon phenomenon waiting to happen. Yeah, when I see him emotional, I was a little confused because it was like a regular the season game and everything else. But it showed me the passion to how serious he takes. Let's think about this game. If you watch this game, everybody out there watching.

The Spurs were down 20 points with like two minutes left to go in the third quarter. And now come back to the same amount. I'm a Spurs fan and I was saying to myself, the clip is better than I fucking lose this game. Like it was like, yo, come on, yo. Because you know at the end of the day,

I'm still like, you know, I fuck with Todd Lewin. I like Jeff and They over there coaching their motherfuck your heart out. And I'm like, they better not lose this fucking game. And they fucking lost the game. They were up 20 points with about two minutes left in the third. And they let the Spurs come back. And I was thinking about homie you on Boston.

I remember that Cornette, the center, white boy center for the Spurs. Him and Johnson off the bench is incredible for the Spurs. It just gives them another dimension to where, They show depth. And that's why I said they may be all right when this playoff thing comes around. But that game is, you know, I'm just sitting there thinking about their depth. Because early, I couldn't think of Cornett's name. But the emotion when we had was just like May said, it could be contagious

because if you see a star athlete putting in this work, it makes you want to put the work in. And I was a little confused, like I just said, but Mace made a good point. it can be contagious. If he's taking a regular season game, they're serious, then that matters. And it isn't like they're fighting for their playoff life and second place right now as we speak.

But it was more of a disappointment for me for the Clippers. Like, God damn, man, Kauai had a great game. They looked decent. But they let them come back from a 20-point deficit with two minutes left in the third. So kudos to the Spurs, man. It's going to be a dog race with them. Houston and O KC to the end to see we finished his first, second, and third.

For sure. And Cornett's also the one that did the blog post about trying to take away the Magic City Night, so everybody. That was that, big? Yes. That's not the place for us, man? Energy is. You know, you know what's crazy?

Yo, Cornette. I was sorry, I dogged you the other day, poor. just keep doing what you doing though we just play basketball man just do that yeah yeah stay stay doing that nigger okay y'all we're gonna go to break when we return we'll discuss staying in college another year versus declaring for the draft in today's era don't go anywhere welcome back so a j de bansda the potential number one pick in the NBA draft says he might stay in college another year. He said his mom wants him to graduate with a college degree first. May's pretty open-ended. What would your advice be? What are your thoughts? Where are you thinking after

hearing this for Major? That's pretty interesting. He's making a whole lot of money, so I don't see why he would be rushing to leave anyway. But I think he got more to do it if Utah is getting the first pick. You know, I think he's staying in college until Utah get the first pick. It's almost written he wants to be in Utah. So nothing against him getting his degree, but I don't think where he's going, he's going to need a degree. At least not to earn one. Sometimes you could do things so well in life that people get your honorary degree. As long as you get one, that's all that really matters. So, but I'm all for all. honoring your parents and honoring your mom and all of that. But I think this has more to do with

the state of Utah. And when Utah get the first pick, he's coming out. And hopefully he'll still be the first pick at that time. Mays, do you have an honorer your degree because you did so many great things outside of school? How did I know? Kew. Yeah. Is that how you got your degree? You know, Killer, I was actually, let me say this, I was actually going to get a degree anyway, killer. It's not like they gave it to me and I wasn't doing well in class or turning great papers. Can I ask questions? What were you going to get the degree in?

Stats, stat, see, this is a valid question. I was actually going to get a degree in mathematics. Then at one time, I was going to school for psychology. So I had two different things I ended up doing. But I ended up getting a degree in, you know, family therapy and things like that. Let me make sure I haven't looked at my degree in a long time. I got two separate ones that were honorary doctorate degree. So I got to look at my shell because I want to get this right because I don't want to say the wrong thing

because I know on the other side of me, I have a job. gentlemen, that's going to hold me to what I said. So I know one of them is a master of divinity. I do have a doctorate in a master divinity, but I'm not sure what the other one says. So I'll get that and I'll let you know. I'm not jacking me because he says things like that. I got a degree.

Therapy and things like that. Now, divinity sounded decisive. That sounded like, you know what you're talking about when you said divinity. What is the, what is the, what is the, What is that? What is the message? I don't know. I'm asking dead assing dead ass like on a street.

What is that message? Because that one sounded realistic. I believe divinity. What is divinity? Killer is too long to go through right now. It's church-related. It's church-related. I knew.

I know it. I believe that. I knew it. You got that one. You got that's a fact You got that one I just want to make sure The other ones

I ain't exactly I believe the divinity I knew the divinity was decisive That's a fact Tell me and things like that I'm with divinity I'm co-signing I'm co-signing now

You said this up I'm surprised I'm surprised Nick ain't throw the bubble up for this Nick, go the bubble up. Nick, go ahead right now. Go ahead. We already talking about no more bubbles.

It's a setup. How do you do that, Nick? I was wondering, how do you do that? For real? Yes. Oh. But sometimes it's a guy. Oh, I thought you were.

you was doing it. I was like, Nick, throw the bubble up. But Cam, so when Cam doesn't it just do it? I never did. I didn't, I just felt out when you did it. When you found out, I didn't act like I knew. I didn't know, neither. I thought Nick was pushing the butt. I didn't know. I don't even know if I got the phone for that. I don't know, shit ain't working for me. Yeah. But yeah, to agree with Mace.

I think it's a Utah thing. Look, right now, that's the thing about the NBA draft as opposed to the NFL draft. The NFL draft, you know, the worst team is getting the first pick, second worst, second pick, so on and so forth. The NBA team, NBA lottery, doesn't mean the worst team is getting the first pick because of the lottery. We sat there and looked at how, you know, Luca got traded. Then everybody's like, how the hell is getting the first pick? It's a setup yada yada yada yall yall yall yada so I do agree with mace when it's something when it's Utah now look Utah is the second worst team the second worst team in the Western conference as currently constructed I think then I was looking at this over the weekend and they was just saying that financially it makes sense for him to go to the NBA Jay Billis you know he's a great college analyst shop to Jay Billis, and he was saying, look, you can get your degree at any time.

You're going to play basketball, so it doesn't mean you still can't go get your degree. But the financial logistics of the NBA, he was saying doesn't make sense. But I think that he makes quite enough money to stay in college. And I think that they're using this as a ploy because I don't know the dates. That's something we would have to look into, right? So let's say, for instance, right, you saying you're going back to school and then the lottery balls come out, pause. And Utah is the number one pick.

You'd be like, matter of fact, I'm not going back to school. I think after the lottery balls come out, pause, he'll let you know if he's going back to school or not. If Utah has the first pick or the second pick, I think he'll be coming out. If they don't have the first or second pick, he's going to be like, I'm going back to school. So I don't think, I agree with me. So I don't think he wants to leave the state of Utah.

And I don't think that a degree is going to matter his first five, six years. in the NBA, because he can still go back to get a degree. We've seen several other NBA players do that. Not even just NBA, any career. College will be there. I'm an advocate for college. Y'all know that, but, like, it will be there if you want to go get something later down now I'm in life.

So I don't think you have to change it. Are you sad? Do you think you have to have a degree in life? Or do you, I know you're advocate of it, but do you think it's kind of mandatory? No. Right. Because realistically speaking, like college, the funds, the times, those are two valuable things that not everybody can just give up at any moment, especially if you didn't get a scholarship or anything like that.

So I'm never going to be like, you need to go to, because that's just unrealistic. But I'm an advocate because you learn a lot of things that you would never learn before and you're put in spaces and different experiences. Would you have left college for the right amount of money if you had the right job? What I have let it depends like I'm saying no because most of the careers I had thought of needed a college degree But if it was something creative that didn't work like if they offered you two million a year for four years and your sophomore year would you have left That's the thing is who's day because then I'm like why are you offering you two million you know I didn't finish school yet You're a good person asking them questions Oh my goodness yeah long as I ain't

Integrating my morals I'm like, that's cute. You wouldn't leave for the $8 million, you're not leaving for $8 million? People are crazy. So just offering me $8 million. Why are you offering $1 million? Oh, murder.

How much they offered you why you ain't go back to school for your first deal? 50,000. We got to go to night. No, Statt, this is real talk, Stad. I'm thinking about what you're saying. Yeah. You were not leaving for $8 million as well.

Now, I'm going to, I am going to agree with you, Statt, that I believe you do need a degree, right? Because I'm thinking, like, the people obviously. seeing coaching, right? I see basketball players all the time. That will be great coaches, but because they didn't have that degree, they'd be like players assistants, they'd be sitting on the side, and they could have had real college, you know, real coach coaching of college programs, but they didn't have the degree. They needed either that honorary or something to be able to link that deal and to be a head coach. There will be way more coaches, right now and players had those degrees. They spend their time sitting on the bench and being a

player's assistant and a coach assistant because they don't have that degree. They'll still be being students after they already play for that university. So you're right. In some areas of employment, you need that degree. Yeah. But I also disagree to a certain extent because I think for the right person, people will make some things shake. They'll just make it. No, you can't, You can't coach without that degree. Well, one thing, let's say this real quick. Real quick to jump in and not just coaching. I don't know about coaching because I don't know the rule.

Mason knows that better than me. But I will say this. And start Google it where I'm talking about, the Rich Paul rule. Shout to my nigga Rich Paul. Because you couldn't be an agent without a degree at one particular time. Now, not saying LeBron James being your friend doesn't help. It absolutely helps,

but it lets you show that your business. business savvy and you're negotiating skills and so on and so forth that you may be better than somebody with a degree. And they tried to employ that with rich and say, oh, you can't be an agent. You don't have a degree. You don't have a degree, which turned into the Rich Paul rule because he went and fought it and said, just because I don't have a degree, that doesn't mean I can't negotiate better than you. To Mason's point, but Mason is saying that it's somebody who don't have a degree that can probably

outcoat somebody with a degree, you know what I'm saying? And that's the reason we used to bring up stuff on the show and I used to whenever the Tomper calls for it when we're saying if you're good enough, they'll figure it out. When we talk about players, right? When we'd be like, you know, if you're good enough, you'll figure it out because that was part of the rules. You got to pass your SAT.

You have to have this GPA. You have to meet these requirements. They'll figure it out. Those used to be rules. But to Mace's where I don't know, he knows the rule on coaching, but it used to be like that with agents as well. until Rich Paul fought the system, and they named it the Rich Paul rule.

Yeah, so basically the Rich Paul rule, it was quickly taken back because after, instead of a specific degree, it allowed agents certified by the national, well, the MBPA, to bypass the requirement. And then, Mace, I searched what you said. It says you technically don't need a degree to be a coach. You probably might need a certification, which I would assume so. but that's why I'm like in a lot of things nowadays you can bypass specifically having a degree but it is better if that makes sense. Sorry, Statt.

I want you finish what you said. I was going to say even just aside from sports, just there's obviously we've seen a lot of very successful people without a degree even down to Bill Gates. If you started college, you dropped out of college because at that moment it didn't make sense for you to finish your career. So I don't know. And the thing like you, I want to use the word bypass that with you. you said, right? So to get into Canada, you know, you can't have a felony. They don't let felons up there, so on and so forth. But I got a felony, which I'm going to have to remove soon because it's been longer than 10 years. It's almost 20 years. But anyway, they let me bypass it because

I bought it. I paid for a program that I went to, what's supposed to went to, and paid for a work permit so that I could go up there. But there's plenty times I went up there. My first DJ was with me and they let him in because he's a felon or whatever. But if you bypass and pay for it and so on and so forth, they'll let you. Most stories, it's always a loophole somewhere. For sure. It's like that.

Even with hair and I don't know. I'm always knowing, I'm talking about hair, but you're supposed to be licensed. People don't be getting licensed or certifications no more. but the people who are licensed and are certified can charge more because they actually went through the process to take the correct schooling for it. But that doesn't mean somebody won't pay somebody the same price just because they don't have a certification. So I don't know. I used to sell here, stop. Bundles?

That's a good business. Yeah, I used to sell bundles. That's a really good business. Like, I'm not going to lie. I wish you still were because. Hey, stat. Stat. How much is a pack of here?

I don't pay for packs. I pay for bundles. And bundles are... How much is a bundle? Depends how long you get. Inches matter, too. Inters matter. You could pay, like, up to, like, I...

Up to $18,200, a bundle. They're less... Then you got to pay for a storm. then you got to pay for installment then you got to pay for multiple so like I like four bundles so then you got to pay for the hair dye it's just a lot

okay it's a lot it's a lot that shit can run murder that shit can run you after you buy your bundles and the store depending on who's installing it because you know you got these people talking about they the best and you take the hit that shit can ring you up from anywhere to from for a good 700

to 1500 yes that's that's bad Better than selling drugs. Yeah. Not because think about it, if you get like 10, like, there's somebody in Tampa because my mom always just get bad at me

because I would go to certain areas to get hair because I'm like, he got a good deal, it's good quality, these other people are upcharging. And my mom was like, I don't want to be taking you down here to go get some hair. I'm like, mom, I don't care. Like, this is the good stuff. Like, this is the good stuff. For a good guy, you don't have to take it down here.

That's a good That's a good skit. People think you're talking about drugs And you talk about here Tell my mom, you got to take me down there They got the good stuff Like, he got the pack He got

I need four. That's a big deal Yeah, Vietnamese or Cambodia It's a big business, man. And then they say, If you don't get it from over there you try to go somewhere and buy it, you don't know if you're really getting it until you get there. So it's a big business.

It's a lot. Okay. So last question before you wrap, just staying kind of on this topic because I know everybody's like, well, maybe you don't need your degree. Just declare for the draft. It's the draft. Mace, have you ever gotten advice that you're actually happy you didn't take? All the time, all the time, all the time.

I would say one of them was to stay working at the AMC theater. Somebody told me that. You could move up the manager. Right. They told me with all this talent to stay working at the AMC, and you want to be faithful there because by next year, you're on popcorn now. Next year, you could be the manager.

I'm so happy I didn't listen to that. I'm also happy I got fired from the Gap on my first day at the Gap. You knew that's that? What is it? I got fired at the Gap. The Gap, you don't know what the Gap is? Like. Oh, shit.

Like Gap? Like the clothing store? Yeah. Oh, I was about to say, Stap. I was just making, I was like, what is the thing? Y'all was talking about things. I was about to lose it, Stap. Me too.

You're culturally inappropriate. I'm just clarified. That did not know what the gap was. Come on. That's crazy. Like, just gap. Like, you know, just got to ask. Yeah, so my, my, the boss at the time, she told me, don't leave the store, right?

But I had to leave. My bus was leaving, you know. And if you missed that bus in Westchester County, going back to SUNY purchased, you would be walking killer like 10 miles in the pitch black dark with no lights, right? I just wasn't going to do it.

So I left the store open. I left the store open. I had to go. It was the biggest fire I ever had. You know, because I got fired, I had the rap. I didn't have no other choice.

I had to wrap. And that quick, I came back to the hood. I was on. So I'm so glad I didn't listen to that lady She said to wait till she come back From getting coffee It was in the nighttime

Why am I waiting for coffee? It made no sense I couldn't take the advice I know she's probably looking at this Thinking I fired Mace That's a claim of fame killer She fired me I had to let that nigga go

Every year get crazy I had to let that nigga go I said yeah you did you fired me. You know, people like that murders I want you to tell them thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I say thank you

to the gap in the AMC. They fired me up. For me to be honest with you, I'm a couple things, but I always sit there, like, you should ask me this, remind me next Monday or later this week.

because I would have to write a list of the advice. Like, the list is just ridiculous. I remember we used to high school, right? And I was living with my grandparents. And Mace was living with his mom and his stepdad. And we used to come to school and write down or have the shit written down the most outrageous shit that we heard in the house.

And we used to compare them in class. Like, nah, murder the nigger told me last night that I put the toilet paper on the road backwards. I put the toilet paper on the road backwards. Niggins said, Mays would say, nah, they told me to turn the AC off. I'm going to break it. Nah, murder, he told me he told me to start recording on the VCR. You're going to break my VCR. Yo, stop looking that Nintendo

up to my TV for you break my TV. Like, I know that's not advice. I'm just telling you that's why. But you burn the TV out. Will you burn TV out? That's what I said. I will have to write a little. Yeah.

I will have to write a little. Close the door. going to raise my electricity. To what close in the door. Got to do with the electricity. Yo, man. You should be used to write that in the back of our notebook with the list

is so long. They used to say. And I know that's not. advice, that's why I said I would have to write a list of the advice of shit that I heard because first, that's why I said I would have to write a list because it was

it starts in my house. You know what I'm saying? It starts in the, yo, all that shubid-dib-doo-boop-boot shit you try to do. You need to go back to school Cameron. You need to go back to school, man. It starts at home.

The baddest of me started in the house. You're going to let Cameron lead you down a dark path with that shooby-bo-bo-boo-boo. A dog path is crazy. Oh, shit. started in the house. You know how many people make you trying to do what you're trying to do? All of that.

All of that starts in the house. Then you go outside from your house and then just niggas ideas in the street like, yo, listen, listen, let me tell you, son, if we go out of town with this work, right? It don't really be that many state troopers in between Virginia and South Carolina all we got to do is the speed limit

like the bad advice that I would make a list of the bad advice that was given to me that I didn't do when you go on your AAU trip put this dope in your cold you're only 13 they can't give you much time this is why we don't have

this is why we don't have OGs that this is why right I'm going to A, you, why would I put dope in my coat? Going to hate you. And if you don't do it, you're a sucker. Yeah.

You're a sucker-ass nigger, man. I would have to make a list that of advice. Because I'm just talking about, just now talking, you got to think about what I'm telling you, like, we didn't make it out the building before it's bad advice. We didn't even walk down one block yet. before you get all this type of bad advice. Same thing Mace talked about on the previous show.

A few months ago, how niggas used to tell us we sharing rap, and then Nathan Mace, I hope you ain't telling Cam to do that dumb shit. You see how that worked out for this, nigga. I'm just telling you. Shout out of the bad, right?

My nigger bad boy, man. That's a fact of R. P. Tato. I'm just telling you the advice. I'm going to do that. I hope you not taking that rap serious. Your stat, your thing about this stat, right? We lived on the block where it was mad drug dealers

and they was getting money. And they wouldn't give us no, they wouldn't let us sell drugs for them because they were like, nah, y'all niggas ball players, man, y'all gonna make it one day and all that. So they wouldn't let us hustle with them. Then when we asked for money, they would give us $10 or some shit, $20. And be like, how far is this going to take us? And then when we started rapping and asked niggas to go,

like, yo, let us get some money to go to the studio. Niggas like, come on y'all niggas bugger. Yeah, that niggas rapping that? I thought y'all was playing ball yeah don't let Mace lead you down that dog path with all that rap that's what I'm saying

so so when Mace be like yeah Mace don't be like when we we had to take before it don't need to get too deep into a pause

but when Mace was like we ain't got no big homie because this is how they treated us Like, nah, what do you mean money for the studio, man? Hustle, nah, I'm a niggins ballplay. Wait a minute. You're rap, is nah. Nah, niggins, most niggas gave us

us maybe $22, man, at a time, man. It is what it is. I'm going to write the list there for you, though, stat. Yes, write a list because we'll circle back. Mace, I'm sure you got more, even if it's, I know we're not. overall, but I'm sure even everyday little things that you were always told and you're like, I'm so happy I didn't listen to that. And in the comments, let us know advice that you guys,

that y'all are happy that you didn't take because this is going to be a continued discussion. I'm sure there's a lot of comments there. But y'all, that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.