IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE GREATEST COMEBACK IN SPORTS HISTORY & A COMMANDING 3-1 FINALS LEAD FOR THE NEW YORK KNICKS!

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

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Welcome back to It Is What It Is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. What's good, bro? Killer, what's good, man. What's the word. How are you? What a night. What a night. What a night. Yeah, man. And the streets are crazy.

So let's just get straight to it. So the next, they make the biggest comeback in NBA finals, history, erasing a 29 point deficit taking a 3-1 series lead after beating the Spurs 107 to 106. So, Mace, we need a breakdown because the big question is wow and how. How did this happen? And what are your thoughts on the game? Oh, my goodness. You talk about a basketball game.

What a basketball game. I think I saw the dumbest five minutes of basketball I ever seen in my entire life. I don't ever want to hear Kim tell me again. I couldn't play an NBA with what I saw. It is no doubt whatsoever that we could have played an NBA, man. I saw the... I'll say this. I'll say this.

In this era. Yeah. Yeah, Miss era. My goodness. I saw things I've never seen in basketball, man. I've never seen somebody up to with the ball with five minutes, I mean, five seconds, drive to the basket and not dribble the ball out. Why would you not just turn around and dribble the ball? Then I saw somebody shoot the basketball.

My goodness. this was everything you tell a kid when they're 10 years old do not do. And I saw it on the NBA level. I saw, my goodness. I mean, it's just mind-blowing how dumb the last five minutes was. There's no way you're up. 29 points in the second half. And you lose.

the game. I mean, everything you could possibly do wrong. You got Wemby shooting for three again. You get them shooting from outside. You got, you got Castle acting like his legs went out under the basket. This was just horrible. This was horrible. But if this is the way the Knicks have to win, I even saw Josh Hart get a breakaway basket. You think. that was going to be a dunk and he missed for a moment. I thought, oh, Charles Oakley, Ewing. This is exactly what happened when I was 10. Yeah, Charles Smith.

My goodness, I said they're about to do the same thing. I don't know what they expect. I don't know if the NBA wants when be the win or if this, you ever want to do something for somebody and they just don't have that. the IQ. They're doing everything in their power to help the Spurs win a game or so. But it's just not going to happen. My goodness, this is crazy. This was crazy basketball. That's how it happened. It wasn't a basketball guards. It wasn't, you know, anything else you can blame it on. This was just horrible basketball IQ. I think I could even coach the Spurs. with what I saw. There was no way you let your team lose a 29-point game.

Then you got Harper who doesn't block OG out running to the basket full speed. It was everything you tell a 10-year-old 10-and-under-team can't box the man out. You let them come flying to the basket

and get a tipping for the championship I mean, you can be here all day, stat, with how we got here. You can be here all day. That's just the last rant of what I thought about. I've probably got 20 more minutes, but, Kim, what did you see? Because this was horrible. First of all, if...

If I'm Greg Popovich, I don't know how much... His health is hinder and everything. I take my last bit of health, and when that plane, then I would slap the shit out the host... Spurs coaching staff. If I had a cane, if I, I'd just be waiting. If I, if it take everything to must have my strong hand to slap the shit out the whole Spurs coaching staff, if I'm Greg Popovich, that's exactly what I'm doing. Soon as the plain land, soon as they come down, down the steps and all that, I'm slapping

this shit out the whole staff. It is so many times that Mitch Johnson could have saved this game, but did not save this game. I think Ms. Johnson sometimes forgets that he could call time out while the play is going on. I really believe that. I really believe that he thinks forgets, oh shit, I know we're in the middle of a scramble and we have possession, but I could call time out. It was a play. I forget how many seconds was left.

Stefan Castle is at the baseline. And he ended up stepping out of bounds, but you see him in trouble before he steps out of balance. You can save a possession right there if you call time out and run a good play. Save the possession. That's first and foremost, you turn it over. That's what you do. So I'm more mad at the spurs coaching staff than the players because the players are young. Diller-Hop is 20. Stafford County is 21. Wimby's 22. They're young, but they're here, so it is what it is. Also, I really believe, you know, Dillard's. De Aaron Fox, you know, it's been playing times you alluded to it, Mace, but I never

want to step on your toes. But because I believe that they think Deerrin Fox is the oldest person on the team, that he has the most experience instead of having Dylan Harper be in clutch situations, because I believe Deerrin Fox got clutch player the year, which I don't know. You got a check. I'm not sure if he got it or not, but I heard them met reference in that. I'm like, well, it hasn't been going on this series. He hit a clutch shot last game, of course.

course to make the spurs go up. But you got to stop acting like he's been in these situations too. This is his first Western Conference finals. Before this year, he's been in one, he's been in one playoff series, and he lost that one playoff series he's in. Everybody's getting experience. So I would go with Dillon Harper when we see D'Angelo, pardon me not DeAngelo, D'Aren Fox missing certain shit.

And I understand he's played more than these guys, but not in these situations. but I knew the Spurs was going to lose at the end of the third quarter. At the end of the third quarter when they was up only 14 or 15 points and nobody was mad. It was no sense of urgency. You scored 40 points, let me see,

it was 40 exactly, 41 points in the first quarter. Yeah, in the first quarter. And then you score 14 points in the third quarter and nobody was, it wasn't like nobody had a sense of urgency. I've seen one being in the huddle before mad, screaming, all type of shit, when they're under duress. At the end of the third quarter,

the whole Spurs organization should have been under duress. It's no way you cut a 29 point lead at half in one quarter. And that's what they did in the next quarter. They cut that, the same lead that they cut in half,

they cut it in half again. So they outscored them by 30 points in the second half. If we do a total of the Spurs points in the second half equals 30 points. For the Spurs, in the whole second half,

they scored 30 points. 14 points in the third quarter, 16 points in the second quarter, and you score 41 in the first quarter. That's just simple math, bro. You're not going to win scoring 14 and 16 points per quarter, up 29 and not. It's an embarrassment on the organization. This is the largest comeback in championship history as far as comebacks are concerned. Look, we've seen the spurs up 14 in the Knicks come back, 12 in the Knicks come back. We actually seen the other series, the Knicks come back from 18 points.

So even when they was up 30, I'm like, this is not a comfortable lead, but I'm not thinking they're going to come back from 29 points. Absolutely not. But when they was there 14, the Knicks, that is, at the end of the third, and I didn't see any anger or any urgency or nobody's face from the Spurs. Maybe for Cell. Phil's the only one who's like, yo, this self-reflected. Nobody else really had a concern.

and then they walked them niggas down and walked them down and walked them down and I was like, I knew this was going to happen. Nobody, so nobody feels a sense of urgency that, yo, we're losing. We're losing the quarters. We're losing by the minute. We're losing by the actual second.

And that's pretty much what I take away from that. Macey made some great points at the beginning of this actually because it's just a lot of fundamental basketball as well. I don't think they're teaching fundamentals anymore. When I look at basketball, for real, Like when I look at certain basketball, not just this series. I'm talking about period. It's no out of bounds plays.

It's no slide. It's a lot of shit that you learn as a kid. I'm talking about it bitties, super, not even bitty, super bitties. That's fundamental and the fundamentals over. 10 and under. Yeah, 10 and under. You learn this. I'm looking at certain niggas, right?

It was a time. It was a three on two fast break. And I believe, I'm not sure if it was California. was Fox who passed it to Shempany. And Jalen Brunson was the only person in front of him and it looked like he didn't know how to shoot a layup. These niggas used to shoot in so many threes, Mace, that they don't even know how to shoot layups.

How you six seven? How you six seven? Champany on this play I'm talking about. And you don't even get close to making a lab. You all do what the nigg of Jalen Brunson is 6-1, 6-2. You 6-7. You can't do it. You can't put the ball.

Yo, bro. The fundamentals. You couldn't figure out. You couldn't figure out what foot to go off. Yeah. Yo, bro, the Spurs do not deserve to win this series whatsoever. If it was anything for the Spurs not to win the series, it was tonight when they blew a 30-point lead.

And to be honest with you, you could blame it on the players all you want. But I'm blaming it on the coaches staff. I thought that the Spurs, I said, this was a genius move. I gave Mitch. Johnson and the staff a lot of credit in the first quarter because they basically did a, you know, challenge to play, challenge the call on the floor, which took a foul away from Wembe and gave Carl Anthony Towns his second foul were like two minutes into the game. I'm like, okay, that was a great call. But, bro, pop would never, never. And I'm sorry to compare Ms. Johnson to pop, but that's who you're following up.

Life's not fair. When you follow up a Hall of Fame or possibly the best coached that ever coached. You know, you can fight Phil Jackson if you want to talk about power out a few other players. Pardon me, a few other coaches. When you're following this, niggas, it's a tough act to follow sometimes. It's just like that, my nigger. And you're looking bad in this championship round. Because, listen, Pop would never, never.

Nobody would never. We just said it. We probably could coach it. It's no way you blow 20. It's NBA history. The largest comeback ever was 24 points So it ain't like we were like Nobody would never because it never happened before

But like you said We could go on for 20, 30 minutes About what happened in the game to me It wasn't nothing special Jalen Brunson He did what he usually does And you know the MVP of this series so far Is OGA and Aobli

Hitting three pointers You know uncharacteristically hitting a lot of three pointers playing consistent game after game But this goes back to what I said Dala the power for position. I've been talking about the Spurs power forward position since the beginning of the season to when the playoffs started

to this championship round. The power for position is a big problem for the Spurs. If they don't turn this thing around, which is only one team that ever did it was Cleveland and they had a prime time LeBron James, not only had a prime time LeBron James,

Draymond Green got kicked out for a game. So it was a lot of shit they had to go their way for Cleveland to come back down 3-1. 3-1 don't usually happen. Now, if they end up losing this game, I'm this series, which is most likely. And they still, I mean, don't get me wrong, you can sit there and say they lost two games by one point. So it could be either way. But I am looking at trying to get a power forward.

I'm looking at Robert Williams at Portland. I'm looking at Julius Randall. He's not running out there. Take Fox. You can have him. And we're going to work this thing out and get Dylan Harper adjusted to run the point guard like a pure point guard. We're going to find a backup for him.

But that's what I can say at the moment. I don't want to take up too much time because like Major said, we could go on here for 20, 30 minutes about what could have should have been done. But it's primarily boiled down to two lax to halftime, two laxed at the end of the third quarter. and you're down, you're up 15 points after being down 30. It should have been the urgency right there.

You know what I'm niggas just cut the lead to, in half, in one quarter. Do you want them to do this again? I ain't see it on nobody's face, including the coaching staff. Yeah, these are both very fair assessments. And like you said, even in the huddle, it did seem like Vestell was the only one that had that sense of urgency. That's like, all right, like, we're going to slow it down, what are we going to do here? But do you want to answer what you said earlier? Dylan Harper didn't win clutch player of the year.

it was SGA, but that's the funny part because D'Aron Fox was the first person to ever win it back in 2023. Okay, that's what I didn't say Dylan Hope. I said if I did, I meant Dian Fox. Oh, okay, yeah. Okay. He was the first person ever went in which is tiny funny.

Okay, that's what they said. I remember they was associating him. Yeah. With clutch player of the year. Okay, got you. Yeah, we see how that's turning out. But I do want to go now to the Knicks side because obviously we saw what happened in the final seconds,

which just went a whole bunch of different ways. Mace, how did you feel about Jalen Brunson three-point shot attempt in those final seconds that we saw was basically then tipped over by OG. I think it was remarkable that any six-foot player that 6-1, 6-2 could be that much better than somebody's 7-4. I think this is what we're watching. It's like David and Goliath. Until Wembe goes in the paint and settles for being in the paint, they don't really run the risk winning any games. But when you're talking about Jalen Brunson,

I like the way Jalen Brunson is playing. He's doing exactly what I think any player of that caliber and that that height should do. I don't remember anybody being this good on this level in the championship game at his height. I think what he's doing is a remarkable job. I heard even Paul Pierce says he might be better. than Kari if he wins this.

I think they're putting a lot of gas on it, but after what I saw last night, I might have to concur. It's Title Town season, and he's looking like he is as good as anybody that's ever been 6'1 and under. At this point, this. This is remarkable.

Like how he's taking over the game, and there's so many bigger players on the floor that should be able to lock him down, affect his shot, keep him in front of them. It's just, they're making him

look like a super, not just, he's not a superstar, but they're making him look almost in stop. He's a superstar. He's a superstar. Yeah. No, I mean, they're making them look unstoppable. Like, they're making them look like

a once in a lifetime talent. And it's really not that intricate. If you know the game, you just let them keep them in front of you and change his shot. Somebody 6-6 should be able to do that. Somebody 6-5, 6-7 should definitely be able to do it. And it's just an competency that he's playing against is just making him look, I think, better than what he is. But he's doing a remarkable job. Yeah, I think Mace is a prison at a moment because Isaiah Thomas scored 25 points in the quarter in the finals on one leg, so I'm not going to say I've never seen it.

Maybe Mace just forgotten. So he's shorter than Jalen Brunson. But it is amazing what Jalen Brunson is doing, but I'm not going to say I never see somebody his height. Play this good. I actually seen somebody do it on one leg before, pause. But as far as the shot, that stat just told him out, look, if you're a Spurs fan,

I'm sitting there saying good. Hell yeah, I was happy with that shot. I'm like, this shot ain't going. I knew that shot wasn't going in. I was ecstatic about that shot. What I wasn't ecstatic about, as a spurs train I'm talking about, the rebounding, but I've been saying, listen, everything I say is actually happening before the series happened.

Offensive rebounds, second and third opportunities. It happened again in night over and over and over again. Game after, game after game after game after game. the rebounded and in crucial moments. You sit there at, and don't get me wrong, I know they wanted to put two on

Jalen Brunson when got him. But Wendy, Wembe has to know, okay, I'm out here, the shot goes up. I got to go back and rush. When he had made it and got back to when OG was at,

I'm not sure. But if you look at the play, he just turns around and looks and see what the ball going to do. The tallest person on the court cannot sit there and say, okay, what's going to happen? Knowing damn well the team is struggling getting rebounds,

especially when you have no power forward for the million of time. You just don't have one. So to answer your question, I was happy what the shot Jalen Brunson took. I think this is the first game Jalen Brunson actually played decent. He's been playing, see, when you look at the box score Jalen Brunson at the end of these games, he's like, oh, he did have 27, oh, he did have 29. Tonight, he still didn't shoot 50%, if I'm not mistaken. Let me at least a little under 50%.

But he's shooting 34% from the field in this series, shooting 32% from 3. He's not shooting good whatsoever. Tonight was a little bit better. And the reason why I look so good for Jayne Brunson is because he turns on the gas when he needs to. He's the clutch player the year last year, actually, Jalen Brunson. He was the one the clutch player who got that award last year. and it's showing why he got it last year. Because the last few games, he's turning it up in the fourth quarter.

He's having terrible quarters, one, two, three, and turning it up in the fourth, so it's looking phenomenal. But overall, he hasn't played good this series, even though you say, well, he had 36. He had 27. He's averaging 27.5 in the series, which is all great numbers. But as far as the defense has been played on them, I think it's been spectacular. I think it's the other players around. We're so used to saying, okay, Mike, how much,

Cal Bridges, he's doing good or Shamit is doing good. And that's not even the case. And that's not playing well. We get Jose Alvarado coming off the bench using his speed, using his awareness, using the 5,000 guy wisely. Not only that's scoring eight points. And then

it's uncharacteristic as well when you get OG and the nobody hitting four or five threes. So all the stuff that didn't happen for the Knicks in the past that didn't go the Knicks way are actually going the Knicks way with this team right here. But it's as far as to answer your question,

is that with Jalen Brunson taking that shot, I was cool with it because I didn't think it was going in. It was just about who's going to get the rebound. And I didn't think that they would get a tap in rebound. That's the last thing I thought as well. That was great. Especially the way that he flew in. I was just like,

where did that even come from? But that was like, that was one of those moments that's definitely going to be stamped. And I already know New York is all over OG right now. And then even just looking at the box score too, because you were bringing up how like Jalen Brunson, you don't really notice until you see after. three players on the Knicks were even able to score over 10 points. So I felt like shots were a little off.

We even saw it earlier on. Like he put Sohan in and then like Deuce McBride wasn't shooting very well. So I think they tried to like take more like pressure off of it specifically being OG and Jalen. But then in return kind of flipped. It felt like I was watching two games. Like the first half was completely different from the second half. And so the fact that they were even able to do that, I think just adds to the series as a whole. So I want to also go back to Wimby because he's actually collected three flagrant foul points this postseason and is actually one point away

from an automatic suspension. So Mace, do you feel like Wemby's playing recklessly? Do you like his gameplay or do you think he's being unfairly scrutinized? What's your opinion on that? I think the NBA has allowed Wembe to get away with a lot as they should.

If they're going to make them the face of the league, they got to give them leverage. I think when he elbowed the guy in the head, that was a crazy one when he pushed. Who was that? That was Jalen Brunson down. So he's been doing a few things that are uncharacteristic. I like his aggression towards the game. I like him, you know, wanting to be that dominant.

But if he wants to be that dominant, I'd have put that more into more time in the paint. think right now, they're giving them, cutting them a lot of slagrants and things like that. I don't think throwing them out of the game is really necessary right now. They're already losing, so you don't need to do that. I think the ref was just trying to help him in this series because he's playing pretty decent, but in order for him to win, he got to play out of his mind. And he still haven't had a game that's been out of his mind. Yeah, what's the exact question?

Yeah, do you feel like he's being overly scrutinized? Is he playing kind of reckless? I think he's playing a little reckless. But to Mace's point, you don't give him the face of the league, you give him a little bit of leeway. As far as last night, I don't think that was intentional. The shit with Jalen Brunson, I think it was intentional. The shit with Nage Reed, I think was intentional.

You see he was just swinging his arm through cat guy caught. Even after the play, he tried to, you know, Pat Kat on the back. So I don't think. last night was intentional. But I think they're giving them a little rope, a little wiggle room pause so that, you know, he could do his thing.

And, but to answer your question, I don't think last night was intentional, my personal opinion. But as far as everything else, I like the nigga with a little bit of attitude, man. I like a little nigga, like, it's just a different NBA. I mean, for those old enough to know,

I remember niggas, Google, if you weren't, Google Kurt Rambers getting clothesline. Like, nigga, nigger do what they did to Kurt Rambers today. They miss a whole season behind that shit. And I know that you can't do certain shit like that today. It is what it is. But as far as winning,

just back more to the Spurs, I think because he plays so well on defense that you label him as center. But to me, his game is really more than just a center. The Spurs need to get a real center and a real power for it. It's more like, he's a three, four, to be honest,

who could help you defensively, my personal opinion. When you sit there and say, that's like saying this, well, Kevin Durant's seven feet, why you don't put him at the center? He's seven feet, right? That's what it's like.

It's like when Luca Dantzz went to the maps, they picked him up as a forward. Luca Dantzic had to put his foot down and say, yo, I'm not a forward. They're like, now we're going to teach you all before. No, you're not going to teach you. mean how to be a Ford. I said I've been playing pro since I'm 15 and I've been a point guard

since I've turned pro and I'm going to stay a point guard. He had to put his foot down with the mask and to me because Wembe's so tall they're saying you're a center when he doesn't play like a center. He doesn't, not the traditional center. He's just really good on defense, center like, you know, instincts and defense. But his offense game to me, he's too weak and I'm not saying he won't get muscle. He's, you know, he still has time to develop. But, But it's like saying, yo, Kevin Durant's the center. He's not the center. He's not.

You need a power for it and you need a real center. You know, Wimby's not a traditional center. He gets the ball. He wants to do his legs, shimmy. But Wimby, be trying to do rucket shit sometime once in a while. That's not your center. You need a real center and you need a real power for it. Now, if you want to put Wemby at the four, fine with me.

I have no problem with that. But he's not playing traditional center basketball. And I don't think you're going to maximize. your team were having them as your center moving forward. You need a low down dirty paws nigger to play the four and a mean center. Wimby is not that. Even though I'm talking about his attitude is good and everything else, because of his height, that doesn't mean he has to play center.

Magic Johnson's 6.9. He's a point guard. Nobody ever seen it before. That's the way it was. I think they're confusing his height with his style of play. Very good. Yeah, they have Wemby at his. rightful position, they need Isaiah Stewart. They need the guy from Detroit Pistons.

They need somebody like that at the fore. That's going to be mean and a real, a real terror down there. So he can actually run as free as he want to run. Good point. It's funny that y'all bring that up because you're saying like Wimby doesn't have to be the center, then also even down to like Darren Fox as the team, just him being the older one doesn't have to be the leader. And I think that sometimes in their brains, I don't know what the thought process is, but that's kind of like routinely what people are thinking. And it doesn't have to be that. So hopefully they figure something out. We will see this next game. But we talked about the coaches. We talked about the players. Now we got to discuss the fan. So we saw the garden

was super, super active this game. Mace. What are your thoughts on the pressure for players at home versus on the road. I don't think it was as much pressure on the Knicks, you know, the third game. I think this fourth game was a lot of pressure on them. But when you got every person that you've ever looked up to from the superstar caliber supporting you and going against you, I think that means a lot. You got to think when the spurs coming there for game three, they're against, they're watching some of the biggest names ever go against them, right?

Sitting courtside wishing they lose and they were able to pull that game out. So I don't think it should be hard for the Knicks to play there because these are the guys rooting for you. These are some of the biggest people in the whole world. I mean, you got the president in game three at the game. Ruding for you. So I'm just so glad that they didn't have Trump come back. I'm so glad that Trump didn't try to get his name back. It just messed the vibe up, you know, and having the arena back like it was, you know, going to be before he came was really, really exciting to see.

And I hope they keep it that way moving forward. Yeah, Taylor Swift was their game for too, but, Kim, thoughts? Yeah, I was just about to allude to that. First of all, before I even allude to that, outside of Jay-Z and maybe, maybe Fat Joe, maybe Fat Joe, these niggas don't know these niggas. Yo, Dillon Harper does not know Larry David. Or he might know Benzill, hey, ain't that the nigger

from meet the parents or meet the fuck? These niggas don't know these niggas. They too young to even know who the real stars is. They don't know them. So to me, they're like, oh, who's that? All right, cool. I seen Dillon Hopper's like he's seen JZ, but that's all he said he's seen.

You got to realize it's other, these people are old New York. Bloomberg. It's old New York. They definitely don't know Bloomberg. They might know Robert Kraft, maybe. Maybe. So to me it wasn't no pressure.

To them, like you hear about the stars, but they're like, I don't know these niggas. I don't really know niggas. So I don't think, like you said, to the Knicks, to me, they used to playing in front of the stars because that's where they play. me, if you're 20 years old, Dylan Harper's 20 years old, he does not know who Larry David is.

Do you know who Larry David is? I be trying to get it my way. Exactly. That's my point. Larry Davis, the nigger was stopping. Larry David got $450 million. That's why when niggas be like, yo, the tickets is $200,000, the niggas say, okay, get a six of them.

It doesn't matter. Larry David has $450 million. John McEnroe is there. Bloomberg is there, may salute to. Robert Kraft is there. You know what I'm saying? They don't know these niggins. Outside of Jay-Z and maybe some other people that, like I said, maybe Fat Joe,

because he's always there at the Nick Game, but I'm talking about as far as music and all that. Even when, you know, I'm not dissifat Joe. I'm talking about myself, including. These nicks are listening to fucking non-glock or whoever. They listen in the fucking sex. He's writing all these nics. Black-n-n-old. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Nine-gluck. Yeah. I'm just telling you because I'm happy I said it wrong. Let you know how old I am. You know what I'm saying? I'm not here to impress.

I'm here to tell you the facts. This is the truth. They don't know. Secondly, let me tell you all that, right? Let me just tell you something, because I blocked four people last night. Nothing, I'm gonna just say this right here. Nothing curves me off than a follower. I can't stand it.

I hate it. I really, really hate it. And because you're from New York and you got my phone number, if you're not sin, sin, my man British, my nigger trap,

sleep, it's about six, seven niggas, eight niggas that can call me on some nix shit. If you've never called me about the Knicks ever, don't call me about the nix.

I blocked four niggas last night because I don't play with you like that. I play with my poor d'est. is like, you're a follower, and now because you want them people I'm cool with, now I can't look and respect you when I see you. Because I just don't fuck with followers. I can't do it. Yo, you seen the game?

When the fuck the last time you called me about the game? Shit was crazy, right? Block. Listen, my nigga, if you ain't been calling me about the nicks, don't start now. And congratulations to the niggas like British and sinning all the niggas who stuck in the all the niggas have been, I'm super happy for them. But don't call me because I'm going to lose. respect for you as a person. I'm just telling you as a person. Like Taylor Swift. What are you doing

there? You're not even from New York and you're jumping around. I hate people like that. It's like people who murder who go in the comment section and let's say it's a topic and everybody mad at the time. Let's just say somebody gets punched in the face and then all the comments be like, yeah, he deserved it. He deserved it. He deserved it. He deserved it. And you're like, word, I don't even know what's going on, but I'm going to put it he deserved it too. You don't even know what the fuck going on. But you're just gonna follow with everybody else in the comments and say to act like you know what's going on.

Yo, you will lose your, you know, I smile and give you a handshake and still be your friend. But in the back of my brain, I'm like, I have no respect for you. You're a follower and me and you, we're not the same kind. So be careful trying to act like, hey, Kim, you see the Knicks? Yeah, congrats to the real Nick Fiz.

You're a follower. Swifty. P-S-A. Public service announcement. You know. Swiftie is great. Yeah, I'm not called niggins Swifties for now one.

Y'all niggins is Swiftie's naked. The presence is different, though, because even down to what you're saying about Dylan Harper, not knowing half that, there's a reason why I only said a couple names. I don't know. I know Taylor Swift. I know J-Z.

I know Fat Joe. I know Timothy and Kylie. That's about it. Sorry, y'all. There's way more money in the building. I know Robert Kraffes. He really makes money, but that's all I know. There's a lot of money in there, man.

Bloomberg was there. I know you don't know, Bloomberg. I don't. Because it'd be like quiet, like they just be walking around looking all normal. Like, you'll never know. So I'm like, I don't know that, man. And I wouldn't know if I ran into him. Okay, so talked about fan energy in the arena,

but there's also a lot of things going on outside the arena. So there have actually been a lot of stories of Spurs fans being assaulted after and before the game. NYPD release images from a specific attack where suspects were actually surrounded and they punched and kicked one of the Spurs fans. He actually then got his jersey stole off of him and had to go to the hospital. But this is just one of many incidents that we're seeing in the street New York. So, Mace, what do you think of, like, the violence portion that has came from this, just from fans watching on the opposing team?

Yeah, I thought that was pretty wild that the cops did. not do anything. They were standing right there when they asked them to take his jersey off. That was like, that was robbery. There was a lot of things that happened and the guy was white. So I don't even know what to think of the complexion for the protection because when they come down the Knicks, they don't even go to the complexion anymore. So this is, this was wild to watch, you know. And this guy didn't just get beat there. And then you see a guy get hit with a sign. It was just really getting really active outside of the arena.

But it seemed like when the Knicks lost that the NYPD was more about the Knicks than they were about their jobs. So that was pretty crazy to watch, you know, especially I can see them letting the black people fight. But when they saw the white guy, you know, get his jersey stalled off. That was, that was, that was amazing to see. I never, I never saw anything like that. I thought they would at least protect them. So when I say it was amazing, not that it was good. It was, it was amazing, like, interesting, amazingly interesting, to think that they would, they were prize their sports over their job was crazy to watch.

I never saw anything like that. But that mean they loved the Knicks with all their heart. is like guard than the Knicks. That's how they got it in their heart. Because you can see them on camera, like watching the guy as he walked past, and he's looking at them like, help, you're the cops. They're standing right there. But we need you to take this Tim Duncan jersey off.

It's really disrespecting us. And I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen somebody be that eager about their sporting team. Yeah, I have. I've never seen in basketball. I've seen it in football. They paralyzed the guy at the Rams game for wearing a San Francisco jersey a few 10 years ago maybe or something like that. But listen, what I will say is this, that I'm happy that the New York fans that are out there, like Fat Joe and a few other people, were actually condemning that.

They were actually condemning saying, yo, it's tasteless. Even when I was up at ESPN over day, it was mad New York fans, and they were done. disgusted. They were like, yo, this is ridiculous. You can't travel to see your team anymore. Or at least New Yorkers making it seem like that. And I get it as a New Yorker, fuck that. Don't come here. That's the mentality. But when you go to San Antonio, right? I'm just, and God forbid, I don't want any of this happen. Or if they're at that same time, it's an open carry state. Just what I'm saying? Then that nigger can get hit with a leg shot or, God forbid, worse. or they're killing niggas

you don't want this from state to state so you know shout to fat Joe and shout to the other you know some of the Nick fans that's no

known faces for stepping up and saying yo this is whack it doesn't look good it leaves a bad stay on the city because you know

I get the energy don't get it wrong fuck that we New York this time third but you don't want to go somewhere else and niggas

like yeah it's our turn because New York is travel you know what I'm saying? And that's the last thing you want to feel like you go to another state and the other state or the other team the team from the other state feels like

now fuck that we got to get revenge. You don't need that. You don't need that. So shout out the fat job. I'm going to keep saying a fat joke because I actually seen his response on social media and he was saying how disgusting it was what they were doing.

Pretty pretty bad. Okay. Yeah, imagine some, Mexican guys doing that. If they would have caught a black Knicks fan coming out of San Antonio, the Alamo Dome, and they did anything remotely close to that. It would have been horrible.

Everybody would be screaming racism, everything else. So that's definitely uncalled for. And the thing about it is not to cut you off, is that. They're going back to San Antonio. The next games are San Antonio. Tony, and this is what you don't want to happen. God forbid.

Okay. So this series as a whole, I think, is also making people reflect back to the NBA Cup because that was a big topic of discussion as well. So Mace, does the NBA Cup mean anything if the Knicks don't win at all or do you just not count it regardless? What's your opinion on that? The NBA Cup is for the people. It's like a charity game.

You can give the money to. It's like if there's somebody, you know, need a few dollars on the team, you win the cup just to give the money to that player. That's what it seems like to me from my vantage point. Or a way to get everybody involved. People are in Vegas. There's some extra gambling money for most of the players. That's what it comes across. But looking at this series, it looks like it gives us a preview to the NBA finals.

And who can beat who? Because this is the same game we watched in the Arm Cup finals. We watched this same New York Knicks team beat the San Antonio team, and everybody said it was just the Cup. So it could be a preview to the NBA championship. That's what we're looking at. I'm going to agree with the first part of May's statement. It's more charity.

It's more like, yo, what happens is this, Europe does this. They've been doing it for years. And the NBA's just biting. Let's just call it what it is. They're biting off what Europe does. What it does is that the season is so long with 82 games. It gives players morale and stuff, something to play for towards the middle of the season,

the beginning towards, in between the middle towards, in between the beginning and middle of the, before you get to the middle of the season, instead of saying, oh, it's starting to get dry with 25 games and 30 games. It's giving you something to play for. Each player gets $500,000. Some of them players really need that.

So at the end of the day, I think it builds morale. Like May said, it may be some extra gambling money for some people. Some people may depend on that money. I'm not sure apart the second part, May said, because this will be the first time somebody in the cup actually went to the championship. The same people that was in the cup went to the championship. And then not just that.

Even if you win the cup, it's just one game. It's not like it's a seven-game series. So you got to make adjustments, so on and so forth. But I do, I will say this. I love the Knicks attitude because they was like, when in the cup is cool, but we don't want the cup. We want the real thing. They didn't celebrate it.

You know, they overshadowed their own shit with Josh and around, we'll just say. You know what I'm saying? So I believe that every other year this didn't happen. It's kind of funny that it did happen this year, but I wouldn't relate winning the Cup to actually win the NBA championship because it's seven-game series and you have to make adjustments, even though the spurs aren't really making too many adjustments. But it is dope to watch that the same two teams are playing.

Yeah, super cool. Okay, so the last thing I want to ask you all, because we're seeing how this series is going and we saw even what happened in game three, Mace, do you think this series is over? Like, I know it's 3-1, but then, you know, something's shifted in between. We might see some big adjustments.

What's your opinion? What do you think is going to happen? Yeah, I was going to say that in the middle of you talking. This series is over. I had that in my notes that whoever win last night was going to win the championship, whether that would have been San Antonio or the Knicks. For me, it was a foregone conclusion.

If San Antonio would have won last night, they would win the championship from my vantage point. Because I understand the power of momentum, right? When momentum happens, it takes something super, to stop it most times when it really gets going, not in the beginning of momentum, but when it starts going to the fact that you got 3-1, it's not much that you could do to stop that it would take almost a miracle. The same thing if San Antonio would have came in and took two games from the New York Knicks,

then they would go back to San Antonio reinvigorated and ready to do something that that would have been very possible, which was to win the next, the third game, which would have put them at 3-2, and then they would be coming back to New York to try to win another game. I already had won two of those games. So I think right now it's 3-1. The morale of New York is too high. They already believe they can come back from 30 points in Bichu. I don't think there's anything you can do in San Antonio that can see. scared them at this point. I believe their confidence is too high. And when you already know you could

be somebody, this reminds me of, I don't know if you guys remember this, but you wouldn't remember it sat, but Camwood, it would be like that Sacramento team that used to always get up on the Lakers. And then it just seemed like no matter, they had Chris Weber, they had Bibby, they had all the people that should have gotten it done, Vladay. It just, always turned into the Lakers beating them. And no matter how much they got up, you just knew the Lakers were going to come back and win that series.

And this is what it's starting to look like with San Antonio. And the Knicks have San Antonio number until further notice. They've been beating them all year. They beat them in a cup. They won the series. And I remember since saying this before

before he stopped coming on a show later on. He kept saying this. We've always beat them, you know, so this was nothing new for me. It's a foregone conclusion, and Nix will be the 2006 championship. I really thought they would have swapped them, but it's looking like it might be a gentleman's sweep. Yeah, I would agree with Mace, but it's still Nix.

When the game's over, then the game's over. That's just that. But I will say this. If you come down from 30 points and you win the game, Mesa's, 100% correct. There's nothing the Spurs could do to make San Antonio think that they, to make the Knicks think that they can't beat them. If you're down 30 points and you let niggis come back and win, it's no fear in the Knicks' heart with San Antonio. And to be

honest with you, if you look at body language and Mace made a great point as well, momentum. The momentum may have shifted from the second, from the third quarter to game five coming up. a continuation from the third quarter of game four to run right into game five and get San Antonio out of here. I didn't like their body language. I didn't like no sense of urgency. I didn't like the decision by the coaches.

I don't like when other coaches, even though that's my man, shout to Sweeney, I don't like where other coaches announce they get other jobs. You know, the assistant coach Sweeney, who's our nigger, when he watches the shots all the time, smart nigger, without, he you know why don't you just wait to the series over and let everybody know you're going to coach Orlando

because to me now you're focused on Orlando he that's my opinion you know and I'm not disson you don't don't text me and say nothing bad I love you you know you my guy but I just know I never really got that because now to me this nigger clocked out he's going to take the job in Orlando why just not wait to the okay you can see yo look we're going I'm going to take the job let me finish it What are you announcing that for? Because now to me it's like whatever. I'm going to be a head coach anyway. There's a lot of things I just don't like what San Antonio is doing.

Only reason I'm not going to say it's over just because it's the next. But Mace is 100% correct. It is nothing San Antonio could do to put any fear in the Knicks heart whatsoever. Only thing San Antonio could do is hope they got more points than the Knicks at the end of the game in the next game. And then see what happens to the game after that. That's just that. So last question I have for you, Cam, because I know you have your analysis hat on, but you are a Spurs fan.

So being a fan, how does this make you feel? Like what? Because I feel like you're a lot more level-headed than I would be. To be honest, look, to be honest with you, we're really not supposed to be here. When you're DeLen-Hump is 20. Stefan Castle is 21. Wimby's 22. I think Champagne's 26.

Look, you got a bunch of players under 27. When you think about the Minnesota series, Devinchenzo's out. Ant Man is, he got two bum knees. We might not have got past them. Then you think about when you play OKC. OKC, you cannot keep taking for granted that J.W. is not playing. You cannot take for granted that the second leading scorer

and A.J. Mitchell is not playing. You cannot take for granted that we didn't know that Chuck Hongrum was going to turn into a, a skeleton and just stand there. All these things play a factor into them getting to the championship. Even when they beat O.K.C., they were too happy for me. They're crying.

They're celebrating. I wouldn't even be happy with being O.K.C. Because they didn't have all their niggas. Imagine this, right? A.J. Mitchell's the second-lead scorer. Imagine, and we know how Gershaye is, right? Imagine no OG and no Carl Anthony Towns. And there's just Jalen Brunson out there.

That's not a recipe to be like crying for. No, you shouldn't have been crying. So as far as a fan, you know, it irks you when you're up 30 and you lose. But at the same time, you're like, these niggins is young. That's why I come in and blame the coaching staff immediately. But at the same time, the coach is young. He's a young nigga. He's not just young as far as coaching.

He's 39 years old. He's a young nigga. So as a fan, I'm just like, look, man, it's irking some things to watch. But the end of the day, it's two things, right? It's irking to watch. If you got to lose, I'd rather lose the Knicks. Like, as much as I troll and all that other shit, I'm in New Yorker.

And to see the Knicks win the championship would be amazing. I'm not going to go against my first team, but if anybody had to lose the Knicks, the Knicks deserved to win, not just the Knicks, Parming, not the city. You see what's going on out there? We laugh and we joke and the people getting beat up and all this other shit,

and people doing spiritual, look, that's how bad it is. That's how much they want to. You're walking out the arena with sage. Yeah. Niggas wanted that bad. That's how bad. So this would be great for New York, man.

Like I said, I troll and do everything else because they gave me reason to troll. You know what I'm saying? But for the city, this would be great. So, but as far as a fan, you just, all you can do is just say, they too young. And then they got away with murder getting to the championship. I'm talking to injuries is concerned, my personal opinion. I'm not, especially in. especially when you don't get, you got Ant Man with two bad legs,

and you got Devin Chenzo. And I'm saying Devin Chenzo is a superstar, but he could hit some shots. And that may have got Julius Randall going. And then I'm just not going to sit there and ignore the, you know, the absence of Chet Holmgren. And I'm talking about the absence on the court. And then the two other, you know, all-MBA player,

when you think about J-Dub and your second-lead scorer Mitchell, you might not should have been here anyway. Yeah. Good, level-headed breakdown. We'll see if they could put on for the city at this point. We keep saying like, oh, it's foregone conclusion. But I don't know. Everything, the way everything goes.

But I do think they got it. But we'll see what happens. But y'all, that is all the time that we have for today. Let us know what y'all think about the game in the comments down below. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.