IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE LEBRON JAMES SLANDER IS WILD & WHY IS EVERYBODY BUGGIN OUT?! | S3 EP71

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

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special pick when you sign up. I'm treasure Wilson, AKA stat baby along with your hosts, Mace and Pam. What's good killer. How you doing, man? I'm good. How are you today, man? Really good, man. Getting better. That's what's up. That's what's up. How you doing, man? I'm great. Great.

The money green. The money green and the gold. You feel me? Yeah. Looked like you was Harlem shaking for a minute. That's the Harlem shake. I forgot about that dance. The money green and the gold.

Yeah. Good day, guys. It was a good day. Really good day. Yes. Okay. So, but it's not a good day. Really good day. Yes. Okay. But it's not a good day for Terrell Suggs, I'll tell you that. So Terrell Suggs reportedly pulled out a gun

and threatened to kill a man in an argument while at Starbucks. He said he feared for his safety. Thoughts on the whole incident and then this run-in in general. This happened in Scottsdale, Arizona. Wow. whole incident and then this run-in in general this happened in Scottsdale Arizona wow this is this is pretty interesting because um I wouldn't think that that Terrell Suggs would would do this in in um Scottsdale and I know everybody is innocent to prove him guilty. However, I'm very happy that he's doing well and the other guy is doing well because in a city like Arizona or a state like Arizona,

in a city like Scottsdale, pretty much everybody got a gun. So I would think that that would be the last place for you to flash a gun, especially if you're not using it, because they have this law where you could protect somebody else. So say if you're flashing a gun, somebody else that has nothing to do with it could shoot you trying to protect me. So I thought that was a very dangerous game that he found himself in.

I mean, at that point that you fell threatened for your life, he was better off using it than flashing it. That's what I'm basically saying. And I'm happy he didn't use it, but it was very, very dangerous. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. You understand that rule? Yeah.

So it's pretty much probably the same in Florida, but they will not hesitate to use brutal force, pause in Arizona, especially on a black guy. Just to make some dealing with today, I just want to know where Buffer is here today. No, I'm just... I'm just asking what Buffer I'm dealing with today. I just see.

Because you got a lot of personalities. Because if we wasn't on TV right now, you would certainly have spoke what happened to even one of them. But you're very glad that everybody's safe. I was actually taking the page out of your book. You normally say, this is what Maze was trying to say. So I figured I'd help you out. And you normally say

don't help you, so... I'm glad that everybody's safe as well. Yeah, if you feel like you got to flash it, you probably should have used it. If everybody in that Starburst that day, I'm really glad that y'all okay. Mase doesn't care if anybody was okay in that Starburst personally when nobody's looking. I'm just telling y'all.

He doesn't care if nobody was okay as long as me and him wasn't hurt. Because I don't care neither, to be honest with you. Look, personally, and all jokes aside, of course, we're happy everybody's okay. Yeah. But, look, Terrell Owens, I mean, Terrell Owens, Terrell sucks. I don't know him off the field like that, but on the field, he's a pretty wild nigga. And these football niggas got reputations of being wild niggas, some of them. Not all of them. Some of them.

Especially against females. If you ever Googled a female brutality of football players against women, it's outrageous. It really is. Secondly, like May said, I don't know how many people are familiar with Scottsdale. I spent some time in Scottsdale myself. And everybody's situation is different.

And I'm not saying that nothing can happen to anybody anywhere but and I'm not saying I'm Terrell sucks either but God still is one of them plays first of all Starbucks I don't really know a lot of people and anybody could walk in anywhere like I said but life threatening situations and Starbucks it's kind of crazy. And then the one in Scottsdale, I feel real safe in Scottsdale when I go to Scottsdale. I guess I don't know if niggas follow you, be where you at. Scottsdale seems like a pretty safe place. Scottsdale, for people that don't know, is not Phoenix.

It's the Bel Air or whatever you want to call a Phoenix. It's very nice there. Not a lot of crown and a lot of shit goes on. But hey, at the end of the day, I can't, I don't really have much to say. Mase made a great point. I wouldn't pull it. And that's not just Phoenix.

That's not just gun laws. That's not just whatever. Don't ever pull a gun out nowhere and don't use it you know i'm saying um that kid benji from chicago that story supposed to be probably the best that ever came out of chicago says over 20 30 different nba players and he got shot in high school for pulling out a gun on somebody and not using it. And now the person had a gun. So I agree with Mason. It's just not about gun laws.

It's about don't ever pull a gun out unless you're ready to use it because you never know who else is ready to use theirs and who has theirs on them. Yeah. And I was thinking about it. What was the conversation that led to you feeling like your life was threatened in starbucks like how did that go you're getting coffee you're getting a bagel and and what what happened like was it enough sesame seed or like what happened to make them escalate basically what happened was zugs he backed into another vehicle behind him and then

the vehicle had the camera footage and audio of it so then they both got out the cars and got in an argument and then like it escalated a little bit then I guess he got back in his car because he told him to go away and then Suggs said basically threatened that he would kill him, basically got back in his car and flashed his gun out and then. That was the dumbest thing you could do with your back turned, showing your gun out the car. So what was supposed to happen? Now, if that guy sees the gun and he says, get down and just shoot, then everybody would say, what just happened here?

You can't do that, man. Killer's right. These football players, man, they got to chill out. Not all football players, but you definitely can't be doing that. And that Starbucks, just because somebody backed into, what, a parking space? Well, backed into his car. So S Well, backed into his car. So Suggs backed into his car. The other dude's car, yeah.

So he hit his car, and now he wants smoke with him. Yeah. But he said because of the way the argument went, I guess he said he felt like he was in a dangerous situation. He was probably high. You hit my car, and now you're beefing with me. It probably would escalate. If somebody hits your brand new car and then they're picking out a problem with you,

you already got a damaged car. You're really not trying to hit her. This is crazy. Yeah. And also, as far as what Kim was saying, I thought Scottsdale was relatively safe, too, which I didn't know because, you know, I was just there this weekend. Long story short, a fight ended up happening at, you know, a spot, and it was like a whole bunch of dudes, coming out the spot so me my instinct i went behind

a black car because i'm like okay like i like i'm not gonna like run and stuff like that but i'm not gonna be standing there and everybody else is standing around and watching and they were like why did you basically asking me why did i go away because in florida people are pulling out guns i'm not gonna stand right i don't need to watch a fight. I'm good. Like, I don't. That's not exciting for me. You didn't have your camera out? You're not a part of that generation? You wanted the camera out?

That's so silly. Like, everybody's seen fights. I got to stand there and watch y'all fight for what? Like, I'm going to go. You didn't want the TMZ $800 for the video? Absolutely not. Bump the video. Because it was the people performing.

Bump the video. Bump that. Why would I stand right there and watch y'all fight? And everybody's like, oh, don't worry. People don't pull out guns here. You never know until it happens. And then the next day you hear about Terrell's hugs.

I want to add a disclaimer to that real quick as far as what you're telling me. It depends on the timeline, too. If it was over the weekend or the last five, six days, it was probably a bunch of people from out of town in Scottsdale because of the NCAA tournament. So if it happened in the last four or five days

and it's a bunch of people in town from out of town, you don't know what you're dealing with. But I'm just saying in general, the majority of just, when it's a regular time in Scottsdale, it's a pretty safe place. Yeah. But if you got events going on, you don't know. Yeah, so don't try that on Super Bowl or... Right.

And that's what I say, because the Scottsdale's locals were like, oh, don't worry. I'm like, even I would worry regardless, just because that's, you know, I'm just used to that. But in addition, I was like a whole bunch of people are here from out of town. Like, you don't know what could pop off. So don't think just because that means it's cool to go watch the fight. And Lambo Statt ran behind a black SUV. Yeah. Lambo Statt. I was like, oh, heck no. Let me tell you something about Arizona.

Arizona is not the place to go to jail at, man. Yeah. Arizona, them niggas don't play. First of all, they got the regular police, and they got several different gang units and task force. I had a party in Scottsdale. This may have been five years ago. This was probably before COVID.

I haven't really been doing a lot of partying or doing shows or whatever since COVID. I've been very selective. But before COVID, I had a party in Scottsdale. It was early 2019 probably. And I was outside the club, and a dude was kind of further away from me. And he was like, Cam, Dipset. And you know, for people that don't know, this is kind of our song. But for Dipset, this doesn't really just mean East Coast.

I West Coast got this. This doesn't really mean East Coast, but I kind of started that. So somebody's like, Dipset. So I did this to them. The gang unit, this was outside the club, just ran out of nowhere. Like seven undercover cops, niggas with the tactical gear on them was like, you throwing up gang songs? I said, no, I'm part of a music group.

He said, we seen what you just did with your fingers. I said, bro. I wish I was there for that. Bro, I said, yo, this is the sign for the group now out here. That's a gang sign. I said, well, I don't know what it means out here. If you ask anybody in the rap community, this is Eastside, which means Dipset.

Same thing. Nah, well, they made a big deal. The niggas I was with, they threatened to take them to jail just for trying to talk to them. The Scottsdale, Arizona police are vicious in this gang unit because you got to think about it. That's the one state, and don't get me wrong, I tell people keep your ID on you no matter where you're at. But that's the one state, if you don't have your ID, you're definitely going to jail. And they'll figure it out from jail because they got a lot of immigrants there from mexico so they they're really big on um immigration gang unit task force all type of man this was just outside the club saying

throwing a dip set what's up man i was had to sit on the floor sit on the curve for 25 minutes run my and all that and And I just was telling the nigga what's up. It's Scottsdale's for you. They're not playing. And their jails are so, they have the inmates outside. And you have to wear pink all day. There's a pink jumpsuit. Yeah, they did.

Yep, their jumpsuits are pink. And it's 120 in the summer. Yeah. And they used to complain, and they was like, you know what? I asked the guy, why do y'all do that? He said, we want to make sure you never come back to jail. You never get in trouble in Arizona again. It'll work.

Okay. it'll work so okay so moving along the Kings G League coach Lindsay Harding will interview for the Hornets head coaching job she could be the first woman to get an NBA head coaching job so one what is you guys opinion on the state of the Hornets and then what do you guys think about her potentially getting the job? I'm going to let Cam go first on this, boss. What do you think, Keller? Lindsay Harden getting the job. Y'all both thinking. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Thank you.

First of all, it's good that she's getting the interview. I say that. But I don't know much about the Hornets. Pardon me, the G League team that she was coaching. Like, I don't really have a material with the Kings G League to see how good the Kings G League are, if they like champions, that they win. I don't fucking know. I have no idea.

But I'll say this. Some people, I don't know. Like Ann Wolf, for people that don't know Ann Wolf, she's a former boxer who's now a boxing trainer. And she gets a lot out of her fighters, the fighters that she does train. I don't know if they go hard for her because it's more of a tough-ass mother figure or whatever else. But I really have no idea what to say about it besides that I'm happy she's getting the interview because I don't know her resume to be honest with you

I didn't pay attention to what her resume is secondly it's definitely going to be an adjustment in the locker room if say she does get the job because

I remember the first referee female referee years ago and it was you know they kind of players i remember chris paul in general and and all right right now general off the top of my head there was other players too but i remember chris paul her first game she refereed on the chris paul games and chris paul was like you don't know what the hell you're doing yelling in her face because i guess she made a call to Chris Paul that she didn't like. Sometimes, look, it builds morale. Sometimes it's like, what is this lady doing the fuck in here, man?

So I don't know. We'll have to wait and see. Pardon me if I'm pondering while I'm talking to y'all because I'm thinking about it. It can be good, it can be bad. Look, Greg Popovich

had a female assistant until she left and went to the WNBA. Becky Hammond. She now, yeah, she coaches the Aces, right? Yeah.

So she won two championships leaving Greg Popovich. Now, this was Becky Hammond, and you asked me about her coaching Charlotte. I'm going to say she got the resume for it. She got NBA experience. She's a two-time champion in the WNBA, and I could go a little bit more for a resume. I don't know Lindsey's resume that well to make a decision right now.

But it's good to show diversity and at least get an interview. This is an interesting topic. It seems like this is a growing mindset that I see growing as society evolves. I'm not sure

if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but you are asking me the question. I'm really never in favor of, this might be a whirlwind of a statement, but I'm never in favor of women leading men. It don't matter what it is. So that's why. Why are you looking at me? You're like, never in favor of me.

Me personally, that's just my own. I was just brought up traditionally just like with values that they've been very instilled in me, and I try to stick to those values. I think she could do a great job. Not that she's not capable of it. I just don't think women are supposed to be leading men. I'm waiting for you to move on from there.

Oh, no. I get that. No, I didn't know you were saying that. I kind of disagree with that because i kind of disagree with that it depends on what it is but mace i get what mace is coming from too certain people would certain people would never have that yeah me i'm a part of that group you know no no no. Yeah. You, my grandfather, my uncle, a few of y'all niggas. It would never happen. Yeah. But for me personally, me personally, whatever's going to maximize my dollar, I'm in favor for. That's just me. You know what I'm saying?

No, see, I'm for liberation. I'm for, you know, the growth of a woman. I'm for all of those things. I'm just not for that particular piece. No, I dig it. And I understand where you're coming from, but I'm just can't personally, I know you got your opinion, I got mine.

My opinion is whatever maximizes my dollar, I'm in favor for. Look, the queen of Harlem, Stephanie St. Clair. Stephanie St. Clair, she ran Bumpy Johnson in them niggas. Whatever year, the 40s, 50s, whatever that was, she's the queen of heroin. All that work for her. All the toughest niggas the niggas like to bring up,

Frank Lucas, Nicky Barnes, Bumpy Johnson, they all underneath her. I mean, Nicky and them came later, but she was running the whole heroin racket in Harlem in almost 100-something joints ago, 80 years, however long ago it was, but they didn't care because that was maximizing they die. We don't talk about her, and that's what Mase is talking about.

It's like, man, sweet part of the rug, call the niggas who's putting the work in. That's how certain men are raised traditionally. I get it, but me personally personally if it's gonna maximize my dog look I was signed to epic records mm-hmm years ago the press the president was Polly Anthony you know she didn't do the best job when I was there but she had a bunch of niggas who was underneath underneath the roster during a tank it there and it ran smoothly. So I get where Mason's coming from,

but for me personally, whatever's going to maximize my dollar, I'm for, but I get where he's coming from. I'm just, I'm just not on that mindset. I'm just off the mindset of what are we getting out of it? And then just to add to that for people who are watching. So she was the number one pick

by the phoenix mercury in the 2007 wmba draft she basically had a 10-year career and she became the only woman head coach in either the nba or g league when she started coaching the sacramento team my follow-up question because i know you guys were saying you don't know her resume don staley did previously, you know, I out for head coaching job, didn't get it. If it was Dawn Staley, would you be for it or you're still just like, no? Oh, Cam would be for it.

Cam, we know Cam would be for it. Because if it makes a dollar, to me, I'm of that mindset that women, there's powerful women everywhere. There's anointed women. There's great women. But that's not the structure that I see in my brain. I'm not wired like that.

So that's just it. Me personally, if it's Dawn Staley, I'm with that. You know why? Because Dawn Staley looks like she's relatable to me. me personally if it's dawn still young with that you know why because don't stand me look like she's relatable to me if i can vibe with you and and we could talk and we get we on the same accord i don't look at it as a sexist thing you know what i'm saying the only you know where it goes south at where it goes south at is when you start having sex with her. Then feelings get involved and it starts getting emotional. If you keep sex out the building, if you keep sex out of it,

then shit goes smooth. And as much as Dawn Staley is a beautiful woman, fly lady, dope as fuck. I wouldn't be sexually attracted to her. I would look at her more as one of my homeboys. And I'm not saying she's a guy or anything like that. Very, very nice looking lady. But when I see her with the Louis Vuitton on, I'm more like, yeah, yeah,

nigga, fuck his shit. I was swiping jacket right brush her shoulder off yeah coming in with that louie huh let's get to work i get that vibe from don stanley to me me personally i don't look at her as a a feminine female coach she's not going to come in there with heels on and i'm not saying any of these ladies are i'm just saying if you if i'm going off the eye test off the eye eye test, I'm going to get like Akavad with Don Stanley, I wouldn't have a problem with that. So when the game is over and guys got their towels on

and they're walking around naked, how do you protect that as the coach? Because coach, that's a part of the interaction with the players, what do you say about that? I said that when we first started talking about this topic. I said it would definitely have to be an adjustment and a lock on. That was the first thing I said. Oh, I get what you're saying.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how that would work. That's a great question, but that was kind of how I let the segment off. His niggas like, yeah, let's go. Where we going tonight? She's looking like. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, look, let me give you an example. You don't think it does? They'll just do their thing. Assistant coach or whatever, there are going to be men in there, and then when they're ready, they'll bring her in. Kind of like at the Colorado game. Like, we were all in the locker room.

I'm not seeing nobody walk around. You're like... Yeah, and it's like... It's like, for me, Dawn Stanley, yo, put your shit on, nigga. Fuck out of here. Like, we're a homegirl. Yeah. If y'all ever watched The Wire, my homegirl Snoop, you know what I'm saying?

Shout out to Snoop from The Wire. You know, we hang out and shit. We hung out in the club before. Somebody tried to give her a hug, like, a kiss on the cheek. Like, yo, what up? And I'm not comparing Don Stanley to Sno her a hug and kiss her on the cheek. I'm not comparing Dawn Staley to Snoop. Yeah, I was about to say. I'm just telling you that's the

demeanor I get. I'm not comparing her to Snoop. She might be Snoop or coaching women's basketball because she's killing niggas. When I say that, I say that like somebody tried to come over and give Snoop a hug and kiss on the cheek and she pushed the nigga off thing and fuck is wrong with you bro fuck is you trying to hug me for I look like one of them

niggas like you know I'm saying I'm not comparing her to that but I'm just saying some people don't give off that energy and you know you don't want a girl trying to flirt with you or trying to, you know, give you them puppy eyes or give you one of them looks that, you know, seems like she's flirting. I wouldn't get that from Darlene personally. And then another player, former NBA player Ben McLemore, was arrested Tuesday and booked on accusations of first-degree rape and other sex crimes. So, one, how do you guys feel about the situation and all of these players recently who've been getting in trouble? What's second-degree rape?

What's third-degree? Because when you say first-degree, I'm not that well-versed. I don't know second and third, but it just says he's facing first degree rape and first degree unlawful sexual penetration, which are eight level felonies. So, yeah, he's definitely, he's definitely quoting, not quoting him, but charging him with something that's really serious. This is not play play.

And Ben McLemore, is that the guy? He used to play for the Sacramento Kings. Yeah. Wow. This is not good. This is totally not good. Because somebody like him, he was supposed to have a really good career as an NBA player.

So what city is this in? I was looking at the name. It just seemed like I didn't know where that city was. I don't even know how to say that. What do you say? He went in one of them towns. He was in Oregon. He was in that get out.

Oregon. He was in that get out. You could hear the name of that city. Try to pronounce it.. Try to pronounce it. You try to pronounce it. You the one went to school for journalism. We're rappers. That means you're great with words.

Okay. Speak it in syllables. Clack of a... Clack of a... Clack of a Oregon. Clack of a... Clack of a clack of a oregon clack of mus stat that's not good i don't to all of the students that went to school with that stat is on tv and can't pronounce clack of mus a lot of journalists have phonetic spelling

out for words that are difficult. Alright. I don't got no phonetic spelling or a teleprompter telling me what to say. So. Oh, man. This is just not good, no matter where it happens at.

For a guy that's an NBA player, it doesn't seem like they're going after money. It seems like they're really trying to get some justice, and I prefer that when people, if they feel like they're wrong, that they try to do something about it and not just get money from it because that's all I'll say. Because people will be taking my clips and making it mean other things. I got to watch what I say.

I just heard that when I was about to talk about this. That's what they supposed to do. Yeah, man. When you're on fire. Yeah, this is... What I'll say about this is real quick is that, first of all, when it comes to rapes and shit like that, I don't prove nobody guilty until they're guilty. I use the old school phrase, innocent until proven guilty.

Because once you're locked into this or you're convicted, you're a registered sex offender. That's not good, man. Yeah. You got to tell the town you moved in the town. You can't be 200 feet within an elementary school. You got to change your jogging direction, whatever you're doing. That shit is a real, real thing. So that's what I'll say first. Secondly, what I'll say is this to all these athletes out there,

and not just athletes, entertainers, people in the public eye, and not necessarily even the public eye, but just people in the public eye for this particular statement that I'm about to say. When they want to fuck with you, meaning the media, they will fuck with you, bro. I haven't heard shit about your career. You've been in the NBA since 2013. I didn't hear about you as a basketball player. I didn't hear you had a good night one night. And maybe I missed a few nights. I'm not going to lie.

But you ain't never been one of them ones. You ain't never been like, oh, what's Ben McElmore doing or whatever his last name is. But you got a rating now. You had your headline. Not only that, he hasn't even been in the NBA in two years. He's playing a professional league in Spain. So therefore, they're making a story out of you, and you don't need to play in the NBA no more.

You've been out for two years, two and a half years. Three years, you haven't even been in the NBA. So that goes to show when they need a headline or they need a story, they will make you the story. No matter how good or bad you are, you are a former NBA player. So now you're news. Because there probably wasn't much other news going on. So athletes, entertainers, people in the public eye,

don't put yourself in these situations unless you, I mean, and don't get me wrong, no disrespect to the female or anything. If that happened, then that's fucked up and you need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But at the end of the day, if the shoes are on for me, like it ain't even go there like that. Be careful with the situations you put yourself in because now you're news. You haven't been news yeah you haven't been news you haven't been caring what's going on with you nobody knew you was in spain i knew he was over there but now no be careful and make better decisions and actually i just know that yeah yeah it's then that's why that was a, Mase. What's the degrees of rape?

Because we knew somebody that was accused of rape and it wasn't done physically, it was mental. It was one of them, if you don't do this, then I'm going to tell people this and da, da, da. And I didn't know in high school that that was rape. Yeah. Because I was saying it wasn't, I didn't know. When you're in high school, I'm thinking to myself, and I realize it's

the 90s, I'm sitting there saying to myself, well, should he be in trouble for talking out of it? But that's the law. That's the law too. You have to be careful. Even if there's no physical damage done, if you mentally mind fuck them, so to speak, and that may not be the right term to use, but I use it for the time being, and tell them, yo, you better do this or else.

That's a rape also for people that don't know that. Yeah. And that's why I keep saying, yeah, because you're educating them on what exactly is taking place. When I look at this, they're saying that, according to the news, he's actually, this case was sealed. It was actually sealed. So they wasn't even trying to put it out there. I guess whoever got the news started running with it because the court case

had the document sealed. And he was supposed to. But they but once they got the information, they put it out there and even put his court case out there like July 1st or something. He's going to be in court. So whoever got this was doing very nasty work. Right. Any final thoughts no so his lawyer was doing his job trying to keep the indictment still until until they got to the bottom of it but you know rape is just one of those things it

seemed like today that people are just calling rape i think And I think anytime somebody does rape somebody, this is a serious matter and it should be prosecuted at the fullest extent of the law. However, they need to start making a law for people that just maliciously say that somebody raped them because what that does for artists, what it does for sports, just anybody, it messes up a person's entire life. Because if somebody say this about you, if it's not true,

it's going to mess your whole life up, whether it's true or not. And they need to put something there to protect both citizens, men and women. On that note, we're going to go to break and when we return, we will discuss the Ringer's top 30 players. Don't go anywhere. She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe

She tired of hearing I don't know What's happening to me won't fall Dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinking about She wanna be free Why am I in this one? She wanna be free Welcome back. Why am I in this one way free? Welcome back.

Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy Picks of the Day. The Warriors will play the Blazers. Underdog Fantasy has Steph Curry at six first points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Higher is Portland. Portland. Portland, he's going to have more to say. Okay.

I'm going to go higher as well. Draymond Green is at seven and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Higher. Higher. Okay, and DeAndre Ayton is at 12 and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? If he gets out of the snow,

is it still snowing in Portland? No, the air mattress. The air mattress. I'm going lower. I'm going lower. I'm roughly going lower. He's an underachiever. I'm not fucking with that nigga.

Okay, download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So the ringer updated their top 30 players. I'm going to read the first 10 and I'm curious on you guys' thoughts and if you guys would rank it the same way. So right now they have Jokic at one, Luca at two,

Giannis at three, then SGA, Embiid, Hawaii, Jason Tatum, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant and lastly Anthony Davis one what is you guys's thoughts on this list and is there anybody on this list that you feel like should not be on this list they said that they updated the 30 yeah they're top 30 but you only named about I named their top the first 10.

Oh, okay. The 30s a lot. Oh, yeah. I definitely don't agree with Ringer. I definitely don't agree with Ringer. Ringer, listen. I hate when people try to paint a narrative that's not conclusive and it leaves out very pertinent information.

There's no way you got a top 30 players and you don't have Ja Morant in it. It's just, it's absolutely, what's the word I'm looking for? Asinine. It's asinine that you don't have Ja Morant. But they might just mean for this season, Murdoch, because they said it's updated. I don't know. I'm not cosigning them, but I'm just saying.

Yeah, okay. Let's just go based off the fact that it's this season. Okay. If it's this season, then I could go with that. Okay. But I got to keep Ja live. I got to keep Ja live. Ja was acquitted.

It was self-defense, killer. And they get through the ball like a baseball. And Jai corrected him about it. The thing about it was Jai was never in trouble with the NBA like that. That was just a part of, you know, something they tacked on his jacket. He was in trouble with the NBA for keep flashing them pistols. Yeah, Jai didn't have a pistol in months now. He's been cool.

He haven't been shooting. He haven't been showing no guns. He wasn't at Starbucks. The thing about it is it ain't about Jai. Jai would be playing. Jai got hurt. There's an NBA for Jai playing right now. Jai's hurt.

Jai would be playing if he wasn't hurt. He been stopped being suspended. So you agree with Ringer's top 30 list? What's those last five people, Stat? Yeah, so the last five, we got Hawaii, Jason Tatum, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis. I'm taking Anthony Davis out and putting LeBron James on there. I'm taking Anthony Davis out.

Why is Anthony Davis on the top 10 list ahead of LeBron James? That's crazy. That's ridiculous. Yeah, that's real. That's good. Can I just add super quick? I wouldn't have Kawhi above LeBron. So they actually have LeBron at 12th.

So it's Anthony Davis, then Devin Booker, then LeBron. Yeah, I wouldn't have Kawhi ahead of LeBron. I'm just saying that we're going from this year, like Cam said. Are we going by this year or not? Because if we're going by this year. It says updated, so we're going to narrow it down and keep it to this season. Yeah, then there's no way that you have Kawhi above LeBron. I don't have Kawhi above LeBron.

In fact, I wouldn't even have Kevin Durant above LeBron if we're going on this season alone. I think LeBron has been having a phenomenal year. So, y'all know I'm not hating on LeBron. I give credit where credit is due. He's had a few great outstanding games, and I can't say the same for everybody else, the other two names that we named. And I love Kevin Durant is one of my favorite players.

Yeah, I can agree with that. LeBron James is having a sensational season, especially with Anthony Davis being out whenever he's out. Other players playing well and not playing well. We got to realize before the trade deadline came,

D'Angelo Russell was almost on a buffet. They had him out. Yeah. So they go figure out what y'all want to do with him. They just't figure out a trade he's been playing decent since since the um since the trade deadline but the end of the day not decent enough to get them out the ninth seed or ac whatever seed they end up in uh when everything's said and done in the next couple days so yeah lebron i, I agree with Mason's statement. The bigger picture to me in this list that we're naming is that the first five,

none of them are from America, and this is what I'm talking about. The first five players, none of them are from America, and this is what I'm saying. The game done went worldwide. Ain't one nigga from America in that top five list. That's a fact on they list. And I'm not mad at the top five. I'm not mad at it at all.

If you look at the top five, that one nigga is from America. If you want to throw Joel Embiid in there because he's playing for America in the Olympic school, that man is African. He's not from America. So the game has grown. It's evolving. It's not just our is African. He's not from America. So the game has grown. It's evolving.

It's not just our sport anymore. It's a worldwide sport. So we're now, niggas is coming over here, taking this thing more serious than American players. You got Luka. You got Luka. You got the Joker. You got Giannis.

You got SGA. And you got MB. I'm not mad at that list. I'm not mad at that team. I'm not mad at that team. Imagine that five against whoever America would put up when we're talking about how niggas are thinking about changing the all-star game around and making it international versus America.

That five is crazy. Luka and SGA in the backcourt, then you got Giannis and the Joker and MB. Yo, listen, that's what luka and sga in the backcourt then you got yannis and the joker and then b yo listen that's a dangerous five so i'm not mad at the top five that's why i asked you more about who's at the bottom five of the top ten i'm not mad at the top five lebron james would definitely be i don't know where to place them but i agree with mason's assessment as having a better year, definitely than AD. Reason may be Kawhi is because of their record, but Kawhi got a bunch of help on the team as well.

And Kevin Durant, you got Booker, you got Bill, and you got decent weapons that we thought were going to help out on the bench. I'm not mad at Mace putting them above both of them for this particular season. I'm not mad at the top five either. The top five, I like their top five. You can argue with whoever you want to put in there, but America, stuff the fuck up

because you see where this is going, right? Do you see where this is going? Do you see where this is going? It's going light skin because the next five is mainly light skin. It's Jason Tatum, Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis, Devin Booker. This probably explains a lot. This is not a dark skin league no more, killer, like we grew up in.

It's really light skin and they balling. I'm not going against them. I'm just saying. This is what I'm giving good commentary. Yeah, I ain't really looking to the skin tone because Joel Embiid is black as a motherfucker. But I'm more looking at to where niggas is learning how to play, where they're learning to play basketball at. So this means what they're teaching over there in Europe is translating and being better than what they're teaching in America. Especially Canada. It's so many Canadian players that we don't even talk about that may be role players on

teams. But Canada just coming down here like Drake and Justin Bieber. Just coming here taking shit over when they want to take it over. Rob Markman, They're not going to school. They're going to basketball school. So their whole day in school is basketball. They're probably not even doing math. They're just, for a second period is bounce pass.

Third period is jump shots. You know what I'm saying? They have basketball schools overseas. Over here, you have to go to class, and then you got to pass your classes to play. I believe some of the schools over there are just like that, Killer. They just playing all day. So you know with more reps, you get better.

That's how they call it. I'm not privy. Yeah, that's why you're the expert. I'm not privy to that information. But if that's the case, I dig it. But whatever's going on, it's translating over here. And it's not looking good for America. So if Mace is correcting what he's saying, you're right. Because, look, you got to pass your ACT or your SAT. Then you got to go to college and get good grades and be eligible to play. And niggas is like, I just want to pass four classes in gym.

That was my whole shit during the whole high school. I just need four classes in gym. You're like, well, I got to pass all of this. I'm going to play basketball. I'm not going to school. And we're saying to the kids, you should go to school. But I think Luka was a pro at 15 years old, if I'm correct. He was a pro at 15 years old. He haven't even finished school.

He was already playing all day. Yeah, this is a fact. Luka been a pro since 15 years old. And then I want to get you guys's reaction to this dunk that had happened so tory craig and andre drummond missed an alley-oop dunk in the bulls game versus the knicks what did you guys think of the failed attempt and if you were the coach because you know the bulls did end up losing that game, what would you tell the two players? This is a sensitive topic, because I know my boy Sin is watching this.

You said, so if this was the New York Knicks? No, the Bulls. So they ended up losing the game after they went for the dunk and failed terribly. I'm going to let Kayla go first on this because I don't really like drumming in them. What? No, I really don't. Okay.

I'm looking at this shit now. I'm about to look at it now so I can give my, the right opinion. Not as a person though. Anthony Drummond. Andre Drummond. Andre Drummond. That's the big man. He be trying to play God all the time.

That's what I don't like. He be trying to bring the ball up. We interviewed him. Remember? Yeah. I didn't like when he was playing like that. Pause. I like him as a person.

I see what happened. I see what happened here. Oh see what happened i see what happened here oh my i see exactly what happened here what happened here is for for the audience to gain context of why stats acting this question the bulls are down nine points the bulls are down nine points and what quarter is this the second quarter Second quarter. What quarter is it? Second quarter. They're down nine. They get a steal. It's Andre Drummond on the fast break with Homeboy. He tries to throw it off the backboard to Andre Drummond.

No, he was throwing it off the back for himself. And this nigga jumped on his back. That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, killer and I go like this, you know, I'm throwing it off the backboard and catching myself and some wild nigga just run behind you and just try to dunk the ball over your head. Like, what? So even worse, even worse, now that you explained it like that.

It's two, it's different scenarios. First of all, it's two scenarios. You can't get, if Andre Drummond is trailing. No, but he's behind him, killer.

It's like, it's like, he's right here. I'm looking at the video. He's right here behind him. I'm looking at the video. And he take off, and he's behind him, killer. It's like he's right here. I'm looking at the video. He's right here behind him. I'm looking at the video. And he take off and it's like, you see I'm trying to get the ball myself and he just come over his head.

Ah, and both of us miss it. No, what I'm saying is this. This is what I'm trying to tell you. I'm looking at the video and now that you explained that to me, I see what you're talking about. What I'm trying to tell you. I'm looking at the video, and now that you explained that to me, I see what you're talking about. What I'm saying is this. If Andre Drummond is trailing and you throw it off the backboard, as a big man, you're thinking, okay,

he about to throw it off the backboard to me. Because when do you throw it off the backboard to yourself down nine in the second quarter to try and show him? You don't do that in the second quarter down nine points? Throw it off the backboard to yourself? First of all, you don't throw it off the backboard to Andre Jordan. No. You don't throw it to yourself. Throw it off the backboard from the foul line.

That's the problem, Killian. No, you're missing my point. He's one foot inside the arm. What I'm saying is I get your point, but you're missing my point. What I'm saying is this. I understand what you're saying. Regardless, you shouldn't be doing that, whether it's to yourself, Andre Drummond, or anywhere else.

You shouldn't be looking like you're throwing it off the backboard down nine points. This is my opinion secondly that's a secondly I get back to your point you thought it off the backboard to yourself now some big nigga just coming anywhere like yeah what are you doing bro now I'm trying to talk to myself that's number two. That's your point. Thirdly, from Andre Drummond's point of view, it's when you see a nigga throwing it off the backboard, so you like, it gotta be for me. He see me trailing, but it wasn't for him. But in Andre Drummond eyes, I can't fault him. That's what I'm saying. I'm looking like, okay, we about to make a movie?

Fuck it. He throwing it off the glass. He trying to make a movie for himself down nine points. I think the whole scenario is stupid. I don't put no fault on Andre Drummond for that. I know what Mason said. I'm not disagreeing with what Mason said. But you don't do that down nine.

My whole thing would be. No, I agree with you on all three points because he took one step inside the three and threw it off the backboard like he's Skywalker or something. He was too far from the jump. He was going to miss the dunk anyway. That's why Drum's what I'm dropping. Probably. Speaker 2 I want to say for this is that, you know, I'm going to help him out because he's too far from the basket to be throwing it off the backboard. But I thought it was

an unwritten rule that if I get this still. I should get the layup. Speaker 1 I just definitely didn't think he was going to throw it to himself because I just didn the layup. What do you think about that? I just definitely didn't think he was gonna throw to himself, because that just didn't make sense. That's what I'm saying, Stacks. Why would you do that? That's exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying.

And I don't know about that on Red Room, because I done seen plenty of fast breaks where a nigga trail and the niggas get crazy. I done, one of my favorite is when Jamal Crawford get the fast break break throw between his legs off the backboard for Blake Griffin. Like when you get that fast break and you see a nigga who could dunk behind you, you usually be like, let's make the move.

But I get homeboy too. I get homeboy too because homeboy like, yo Andre, you ain't one of them. You ain't one of them catch You ain't one of them. You ain't one of them catching off the fast break ass niggas. That ain't your thing. This was about to be my movie. I'm trying to go on SportsCenter Top Ten. So, listen, all three scenarios that I laid out, I'm not mad at none of them.

I'm just mad at home weight. I'm not mad at Andre Drummond. I'm mad at the nigga for doing that in that scenario. Because you're confusing me. And he hurt himself. Yeah. Yeah. He fell.

I was waiting to make sure he was not hurt. You know, that's the rule. If you fall, we got to wait and make sure you're not hurt. After we know you're not hurt, we can laugh. It's like the slow get up, just all of it. I'm just like, why did y'all do that? That's your murder. That's a Tim Gettins, Dwayne Jordan shit right there, man. Yeah, yeah, like doing too much.

Yeah, that's some shit, tell me what it did. Tim Gettins, how they, yo, you see me throwing it to myself. Yo, we down seven versus King. What are you talking about? Why would you do that right now? He threw it from the three-point line.

What was he thinking? Yeah. Okay, so granted that the Bulls did lose 128-117. If you guys were the coach, what would you tell both of the players now that's a suspension that's the one game suspension right there no i'm just saying this adam silver wouldn't do anything about this if i was the coach i probably would um

it's definitely gonna be some rep of man behind that. I don't know. They probably have to run some more 16. Both these niggas is on the floor. I keep laughing because I keep looking at this. Yeah, and you almost injured two players with that move. Which makes it

a poor decision. This is crazy looking at this. This is what happened. This is what happened when niggas wear them Grinches. Every time a nigga wear them Grinches, they think they Kobe on Christmas Day. That's probably what he was thinking. If you look at his sneakers, he got the Grinches on.

You know? Yeah. He had the Grinches on. You know, that's when Kobe went crazy. You had them Grinches on, you got to go crazy. So I know that's what he was thinking. Andre Drummond. Andre Drummond hurt his shit on the following play down court playing defense. He ain't even hurt his shit.

Homeboy got fucked up on the play. Andre Drummond hurt himself on the following play. Look, two-game suspension with two games left in the season. That's fine. Yeah. You know how it used to be, killer? Nigga get some Jordans on. Nigga think he Mike today.

Yeah, man. Nigga had them Grinches on. Blga think he mic'd today. Nigga had them Grinches on. Blame it on the Kobe's, you know? I think there's some truth to that. Every time I wear my Yeezys, I say something wild. I got them on. I thought about this statement I made about the ladies. I got these Yeezys on.

Blame it on my Yeezys. I'm looking at the standings, and the Bulls are in the play no matter what in the ninth attempt seed. So winning or losing this game didn't really matter as far as their playoff contention. It's they're in the ninth seed no matter what, or the 10th seed, which means they're in the playoffs. That victory wasn't going to get them seed up or seed down.

So I think they just need to focus in and get ready for the play-in because they could potentially be in the playoffs. But as far as me reprimanding, it would be like, yo, this is how we going into the play-in, y'all. This is what we doing. What the playing, y'all? This is what we doing? Yeah. What the fuck are y'all doing? Like, yo, we have an opportunity to make the playoffs still. So

that's how I would handle it. But you still, you know, if this was the middle season, yeah, it would definitely be team precautions and hazard pay or suspensions, but this isn't the right time to be pulling that type shit.

Not saying with the coach, I'm talking about with the players, though. We are potentially one game, two wins from being in the playoffs and one loss from being out in the next few days. I think we need to zero in, and it doesn't look like they zeroed in. They're zeroing in, I should say. When I saw this, I thought about our high school coach, what he would've said when they- Rob Markman Oh, what?

Nah. Nah. Nah. Nah, nigga would've got smuffed the half-time. Rob Markman He went like this with his glasses. Here you go. Now if he break his wrist If he break his wrist And he ends up with a bruised spine

Now two of y'all are out right Ball We would have to sit in court for two days, Vonn. First of all, our coach would have been like, whoever told you you was like that, first of all, we won't do that in practice. You're not like that. Who told you you're not like that? that in practice.

Who told you you're not like that? Who told you you was like that? Our coach was so discouraging. You're not like that. Your father was like that. Your father was like that. Imagine niggas tell you your father wasn't like that. Your father wasn't like that. Imagine niggas tell you your father wasn't like that.

Oh, shit. Since when the Browns start being like this. You wasn't like that, and your father wasn't like that. Oh, shit. Niggas be standing there. You wasn't like that, and your father wasn't like that. I'm like, bro, I'm over it. Niggas be standing there taking a dissonance. And he would look around the room and ask niggas, is he like that? He would say, damn, is he like that? No, everybody in this room know you

not like that, bro. We have to go, no, he's not like that. You do one of these. I ain't never seen a nigga do it. You know he ain't like that, Cam. You know he ain't like that. If you try to be neutral do it. You know he ain't like that, Cam. You know he ain't like that. Yeah. If you try to be neutral about it.

Yeah, if you try to be neutral. Well, since he like that, 12 sprints. Everybody on the line. I was just about to say that. Since he like that. Yeah, since everybody know he like that. Just nobody want to say nothing.

Y'all want to follow him? 12 sprints. Then they just be like, nah, he ain't like that. Nah, he ain't like that. Yeah, yeah. He ain't like that. Meanwhile, you got to sit here. He was so discouraging. meanwhile meanwhile while you sitting there

and it's you he talking about you gotta eat it you gotta just sit there and try and defend yourself without talking imagine trying to defend yourself without talking. Imagine trying to defend yourself without talking. Cause any answer you give is gonna lead to punishment. He said, oh, he like that?

You gonna follow him on that? Follow him up the stairs now. We going 20 flights now. Yo, not be in the back like, nah're doing 20 flights now. Yo. Not be in the back like, nah, he not like that. I didn't say he was like that. Camden said he was like that. Oh, shit. That's all I kept thinking when he threw that

ball off the backboard. Like, this is going to cost everybody. We're not going to touch the ball pause for two weeks for this. Yo, we had practices with no basketball. Yeah, that's a fact. Since y'all don't know how to move the basketball. We'll practice without it. Are you in your zone?

Yeah, I'm in my zone. Nigga don't know where the ball at. Why you ain't rotate? Nigga don't know where the ball at. The ball's over here There's no ball Give me the ball Give me the ball I told you

Nobody know where the ball at Where's the ball at Mace Where's the ball at. Where's the ball at Mase? Where's the ball at? Rob Markman I got the ball, why you over there? Rob Markman The ball is on the baseline. He said, I got the ball. I got the ball.

Where should you be at? Yo, that thing was hilarious. Oh man. All that over that dunk. Rob Markman That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

Rob Markman That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Rob Markman That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Rob Markman That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Rob Markman That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Yo, that thing was hilarious. Oh, man. All that over that dunk.

No, because it was so funny. Like, I don't even comment under sports highlights and stuff like that, but I commented under that one because I was dying. It was so funny. But see, the y'all can relate. So, okay. So, last one before we wrap. LeBron was speaking about Steph Curry, and he said,

guarding Steph is uncomfortable. He said, the ball is not the problem with Steph. He's the problem. Steph is most dangerous when he doesn't have the ball. It's not many guys in our league that's most dangerous without the ball. And then he said, even though guarding Steph is uncomfortable, guys in the league aren't used to being uncomfortable. That's why Steph and the Golden State will always be relevant because they play an uncomfortable style of play.

What do you guys take away from what LeBron had to say? I think that was a monumental statement by LeBron, but it speaks to how well he moves without the ball. And I can only remember one other player that was like that, that you really feared them even touching the ball, and that was Reggie Miller. He would run similar. But I don't even think Reggie ran as much as Steph ran.

I think Steph runs a little bit more than Reggie. So that was some high praise coming from LeBron. And I think it's merited, though. I think as dangerous as he is with the ball, he is just as dangerous because you got to follow him everywhere because he can hit a shot from anywhere. Before the shots that Stephen Curry is making, people used to be like this. Go ahead and shoot it. Go ahead and shoot it. Like Caitlin did. Right.

But you can't do that with him cause he can hit the shot. So everywhere he runs, you have to, you have to mirror him. What do you think? Kelly? I think, I think that's a great assessment by LeBron and yeah, you gotta think about this. This is very annoying for a defender to chase a nigga all game because he's running through screens. I see one when they did the do-si-do.

They put their arm around each other and spun off each other on a loop. The way that they get Steph Curry open with Steve Curry and his team draws up is amazing because it's not traditional guard and you really have to chase a nigga all game in a half court set and it's annoying. It's probably super duper annoying because you sit there

and you're chilling. He could be chilling and the next thing you know and you're running into two picks. So now he got a three second gap on you because you done been hit with two picks because one minute he's standing still then now he just takes off and runs baseline, comes up through the foul line, pause

and then now you got to go, all he needed is a three second gap. And if you don't switch off, you just saw Steph Curry Allen and now you looking crazy. So I think that was a great assessment by LeBron. The only other person that comes to mind, may sink in the players, is that would, I would say is not as much as Steph,

but would be right behind Steph is Rip Hamilton. He had the same game, keep running off screens, running off screens, running all around, running all around, It becomes annoying. And he doesn't shoot his stuff good as Steph Curry, but I can imagine that job is just annoying to chase a nigga all game around because if you're a traditional point guard and you're ready to go at the point guard when the game starts and he's not doing traditional point guard shit and now your assignment on defense is just chasing niggas,

you're not in the defensive steering, you know, legs bent, paws, arms out. This isn't traditional guarding a point guard. This is more like, like Mace said, mirroring him and chasing him around. So that can be frustrating, and not only frustrating, you got to have a stamina for that shit because it isn't traditional guarding. You're literally in a half-court set chasing him. So I think from LeBron and Mace, those are two great assessments. Yeah, and another thing to go along with what Killer just said

is that most people that you're chasing off of picks can only shoot well from certain areas. What makes this a nightmare is because Steph hits from everywhere. You know what I'm saying? So you got to take all the screens serious. When some players, they get around there, you just let them go because he shoots better from the perimeter. Some people shoot better from the baseline and Steph just can hit that shot from anywhere. Hey y'all, well that's all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.