IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE NBA IS LISTENING TO THE SHOW AND KILLA SNAPS ON PEOPLE THAT ARE "BLATANTLY" COPYING US!

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, Killa is wearing a … Yankee hat, guess he ain’t want to listen to Murda! Cam addresses the IIWII family and lets everyone know about the next couple of shows and what the summer will look like. Then, we discuss the changes coming to the NBA all star weekend and BOY does that sound like something we’ve been talking about for months with a World vs. USA rosters matching up. Next, do small market teams being in the finals ruin the Finals and the NBA’s media correspondents are announced. Finally, Suns get their new HC ***NEW MERCH*** https://www.itiswhatitismerch.com Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MASE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus funds with your first deposit! Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in the hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is the easiest way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in over 30 states, including Georgia, Missouri, and Texas, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog is available in over 30 states, including Georgia, Missouri, and Texas, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app.

Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus funds with your first deposit. I'm Treasurer Wilson, AKA Stat Baby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Cam, what's up, man? Murder was good, bro. How you? Chilling, man.

I see you went back to the Yankee. Pfft! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! You couldn't wait to get back on. Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha!

Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! I wasn't ready for that one. That was a good one. I usually be pretty much prepared for you, man. I know that you did. I know the bullshit.

I know the bullshit. That was it. That was it. That was the moment. There's a sugar thingy happening. Okay. I'll make you happy. Okay.

Shout out to Sugar Dugga. At least he got his clothes on. Find out this was a groteen effort. Find out niggas line me up as a unit for us. Hehehehe. Yeah, she was lying to you. All right, man, well, I was just promoting Sugar's hats and clothing and all that, but yeah. That was a good one, man. No- no diddy.

Hehehehe. Well, on topic of no diddy, you know, when things go viral, I got to ask y'all about it, and people keep tagging me and stuff, so what, I don't even know if y'all can explain this, what is a cereal-glizzy eater? What is that? Do you know the definition? Because Fat Joe was saying, he said, well, he said, they got a baseball field inside the baseball field,

I stunk up the place, man, they don't want me back up in that locker room. You know I'm a serial glizzy eater. You know what I'm saying to Jadakiss on his show. Thoughts? Yeah. He's trying to pass it off to me. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Next question. What I do want to say is though, real quick, because I was talking to Sin last night for us,

and nigga act like he didn't see it on the show, because I did see it at the end of the show. I'm going to say it at the beginning of the show today. So therefore, people don't act like we didn't tell them this. After the Friday show, we will only be filming the next day after the championship game. So we'll be doing Friday, and then it's another game Sunday,

so we'll be doing Friday, giving you the schedule for the next week. Friday, Monday, Thursday, those are the only days it is what it is to be on for the next couple weeks. And then when the finals are over, we go on vacation until pre-season starts with football. So we just wanna tell you thank you to all the fans.

Don't know we're not going missing on y'all. We've been working for 300 days straight. So we're just trying to explain to y'all the schedule because people seem to get angry murder when we're just trying to explain to y'all the schedule, because people seem to get angry murder when we're not available, and they think that, oh, Mace is not speaking to Cam again. Cam did some bullshit. Fuck is going on, why niggas ain't there?

People start panicking. Listen, let me tell America, I don't care if I gotta lick white dog shit, I'm not gonna fuck it up. Four, it's never gonna get fucked up. It's just the fact that it's basketball's over, football's over, we don't cover baseball. There's no Olympics this summer. We'll chime in from time to time with Summer League.

But we will have some amazing stuff on the network throughout the summer. So don't act like we're just not speaking, everybody's on some bullshit. It's vacation time and basketball season's over, so just giving you the schedule. It's Friday, Monday, and then the next day after whatever the next game is,

which I believe is gonna be on another Thursday. So no, we're not missing, no, we're not fighting, no, we're not beefing. It's just almost time for everything to wind down. And I guess some people didn't see that. So I wanted to make that clear to the fans. But we want to tell y'all thank y'all as well. Yeah, we appreciate y'all a lot,

but just some clarification for those who are watching. Okay, so you guys already know that you've been listened to, but it's stamped. So Ad and Silver dropped some news regarding the NBA All-Star game next year at the Clippers Stadium Mm-hmm a lot of things are sounding familiar So three of the things is one the all-star game will feature some form of team USA versus team world there aren't specific details But that's what he released it will also now be in the afternoon instead of the evening time

And it will be on NBC instead Mace after hearing that news and obviously we're still pending more details, what is your opinion? Yeah. I mean, when you talk about them making a game at, at, um, the afternoon, as well as taking this game and actually making it USA versus the world, these, these are all flattering things. Pause. Cause we know you're listening to me.

You're listening to Killer. That's important, but we need a check. We know we're not with the big companies that you're talking about, but you can't keep stealing these ideas. I'm no longer flattered. I'm no longer flattered that people quote me and use my IP.

You know, use my IP. You know, use my IP. You know, use my IP. You know, use my IP. You know, use my IP. and you know use my IP. You know, it's time to pay up. We did that last season, you know what I'm saying? It's just enough is enough. I see them do this time after time. You know in big corporations, people that I think get paid to study,

they be stealing a lot of my lines. It's crazy out here. Killer, I saw, I was on the internet the other day. They had your interview everywhere. It's flattering that people put the picture up, but come on, I'm a partner. I need pause, I need end, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Look, I don't even know what to say to be honest, which is, because I couldn't say. I never was flatted. I went mine from the jump. I always wanted mine. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, because you know why?

You know what it's more about for me? What is that? Because they're never going to cut us a check. I just not going to have it. For me, it's more... What is that? It's, cause they're never gonna cut us a check. I just not gonna have it. It's more of a disrespect when, kinda like we talked about a couple weeks ago, how they used our clip.

And like I said, we ask people, feel free to use our clips. We have no problem with it. The only problem I had was that anytime they use anybody else's clips, they'll say where the clip is from. And for our stuff, they never said where the clip was from. And that'd be my only part, the acknowledgement. The shit, when they be like,

yo, so we've been thinking about it. And we came to the conclusion that if the United States faces the rest of the world, that's the ticket right there. But you know how they make the announcement that the undermined shit, what they do is with stat, the rest of the world, that's the ticket right there. But you know how they make the announcement that the undermine shit? What they do is with status, I didn't even know everything.

What we're gonna do is gonna be the United States in some form against the world, and then we're gonna do it in the afternoon instead of nighttime, and then it's gonna be on, not TNT, but NBC. First of all, look, let's do a couple things, right? We know it's not gonna be on TNT because the contract is up,

so we know it's gonna be on MTV. Now you try and douse it with, try and start a new conversation like, yo, why is it not in nighttime? Why it gotta be in the afternoon? What the time got? All right, cool, whatever. The fact is, the main thing is that the United States

will be playing against the rest of the world in some form, however you wanna word it, but you try to douse those other things into it, the belittle, the main thing that's the main thing is that the United States will be playing the rest of the world. Okay, cool, it's not coming on in nighttime. Whoop-de-doo. Okay whatever. Oh it's gonna be on NBC. Duh. The All-Star game usually was coming on TNT. We know

it's not gonna be on TNT. I have no idea. Murda I don't know what to say at this point. You know at this point it's just like, you, I was gonna just take our money and slap us in the face at the same time and walk off and say we did that. We're open for secret consultation. If you wanna contact us and keep it, you know, saying that y'all didn't use our consultation, we're available for that.

We're available to give you secret ideas and act like, y'all wasn't us. It's called ghost writing. Yeah, Nas wrote on Get Jiggy with it. Yeah, you know, Jay-Z wrote motherfucking Drey Day. I wrote for three little women. You did? Yeah, they single.

I'm in the credits. I wrote that. Promises, promises, that's me. I'm pinning that drink, man. Even though I spell stat, Asian group a little older maybe. Maybe older than stat. Well, yeah, man.

We're very creative, man. Just tap in, man. Just out of curiosity, is there a song that you wrote that you feel like a lot of people don't know about? Because I know you wrote a lot. Good thing. You wrote half a little Kim album one time, two little C shit.

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and she didn't want it. And the lyrics changed and I ended up keeping it for myself. It was one of my biggest records, but I wrote I Really Mean It for Lil Kim. Same format, I Really Mean It, and she didn't like it. That was one of the best things, because that's like one of my closeout songs, to be totally honest with you.

And she didn't want the song and I'm happy she did. Wow. Yeah, I'm happy you kept it because that's on fire. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, so quick little mock up because I know we've been, well really y'all have thrown out the idea of Team USA versus the world a lot, but these are the players.

Cause I know we were going back and forth on what players should be the team. So they've got Anthony Davis, KD, LeBron, Steph, and Jason Tatum versus Wemby, Luka, Jokic, Janis, and Echda. So which one, which team would you guys take in their prime? And which team would you take now? You go, Stad, with these questions.

She's excited. Maybe two answers. Man, I mean, in the prime, this still would probably be a good game, but I think I'm gonna go with the overseas team. I'm going with the overseas team. Right now, I don't know nobody that could stop SGA. Right now, it just seems like they would have been better putting a bigger guard out there,

because this is gonna be impossible for Steph to stop as GA. They don't have no answer for him. And with Wimby and the rest of them, I just think is, I think they win by double digits. I don't even think it's a close game. So you would take the world now in their prime and now over Team USA?

Yeah. Okay. Okay. There's only four niggas in that picture. That's the point. You can't even find a fifth nigga from America. No, it's five. Who's the five? 80, Katie, LeBron, Steph, and Jason Tatum.

Okay, I seen a picture of four. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. Yeah, I think that team is good, but they're not gonna be able to play good together because all of them need a lot of shots. Well, to answer the question, I'm taking the world now. And they prime, I'm taking America in their prime. You know, KD in his prime, and I hate to use the word prime because these guys are still playing at a high level.

KD, LeBron, Steph. Those three, especially for being over 35 years old, 36, 37, 38. KD's gonna be 37 beginning the season. Steph is 37. LeBron, of course, we know, gonna be 41. So I would definitely take that team and it's prom. But what could have should have?

It's today. Today you're looking at this. Let's think about the guards. Who's the guards for America? Yeah, so. Is Steph and who? Jason Tatum and the two? I'm taking SGA over Steph.

You can argue if you wanna put Luca against Jason Tatum. Let's do the matchups. Luca against Jason Tatum, it depends on what Jason Tatum you get. You know what you get from Luca. It depends on what Jason Tatum you get. Who we got at the three? Giannis and KD? KD, my man, that's a good one, because KD can shoot, KD can shoot.

It's all about picking a poison with that. Do you want the six, 10, 6'11", lethal shooter, or you want a nigga that's strong and dominant that's gonna go to the hole pause when you talk about Yannis? I would pick KD, but it's really about, that's not a, I wouldn't be mad if you did pick Yannis. Who's at the four?

LeBron against who? Joker. Joker at the five. Yeah, I would put AD with Joker. It would have to be. I'm taking Joko over AD. Wemby. Wemby against LeBron.

I like Bron. Bron, you know Braun, my brother. It's hard, man. It's hard, man. It's hard, man. Yeah, it's hard, man. It's hard. And then you got AD versus Joker.

I'm taking Joker. I ain't even. And the reason why I said the overseas team is because there's not much defense on this America team. It's like, they're not gonna be playing no defense other than LeBron and Tatum. Nobody else really is gonna be playing defense. So that's two positions, boss.

Okay. Yeah, I think that's a hard one. I'm gonna let the comments let us know if they think too. Yeah, Katie is not gonna be at the guard, no, Yon, it that's a hard one. I'm gonna let the comments, but it's gonna be a big hit. Yeah, KD is not gonna be able to guard. No, Yon is full speed coming downhill. Pause. That's a bucket. Bucket Yon is guard.

Here when it's time to hit the three. That's true. That's a good, that's a good one. That's what I said is a big thing. KD is my favorite player. That's what I said is really, that matchup right there is really about, you can pick which type of game you want

because they're the same height just about, but two totally different games. I'm not mad at even Aysa. Or who you would pick out of those two. Who do you think? Stat. In their prime, I feel like I would take USA, and now I would take world.

Prime KD, Prime LeBron, like, yes. That's my answer too. Yes. Step. Yes. Why do you smell like that when you say Prime KD? Cause that's who I'm taking. That's who you're taking.

Yeah. All right. We disagree to disagree and that's okay. Your eyes are rolling like. I don't know what's going on here, but I'm an observer. I'm a doctor, I can't, you know, I pay attention to body language

and eye movement and all that, you know. both laugh I'm just expressive. All right, I was just saying, there was a lot of slutters, you know? Ditters? I'm just expressive. Okay, all right. I feel like that's typically how I explain just expressive. All right, I was just saying there was a lot of slothers. Ditters? I'm just expressive. Okay, all right.

I feel like that's typically how I explain my answers. When I was thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to USA. Okay. Sorry. Who would you take today out of, cause that was my answer too, KD. I mean, I know KD and Giannis, cause my answer was, I'm taking the world today

and a prime time USA, but I'm asking you as today, Giannis or Katie today? Today? Yeah, cause Katie is still that nigga, I'm just asking. For sure, and that's hard when you say it out loud. I think to, Katie's like, that's... I'm still going, Katie. But why your eyes do that?

Yo! You're annoying. I feel like... I... That's hard. I'm just watching. It's like I can't help but choose Katie, but like, Yannis is also like, what? I think I would... I think I would go with Giannis. Okay.

Right now, yeah. I think I would go with Giannis. But, Katie, to me, is still one of the best players ever, so. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Katie today. Yeah. And then, of course, in the prom, but you can't undervalue, and like I said, Giannis, to me, you know, he's his first team all NBA,

but to undervalue the accuracy like I said, you're honest to me, you know, he's his first team on the NBA, but to undervalue the accuracy of a seven-foot shooter, it's pretty tough. Yeah. It's pretty tough. Okay. Okay, so Adam Silver was also asked more questions. It's kind of a two-part question,

so I'm gonna ask you the initial question first, then give you his answer and what he compared it to. So first, he was asked, are small market teams in the finals good for the NBA? Obviously we're seeing OKC versus the Pacers, which are considered small market teams, Mace. Do you think it's good for the NBA or do you think it's bad? I like I actually like when when some small market teams make it because it does so much for the for the market, for the neighborhood,

for downtown, for wherever they got the arena at. It was just like when LeBron was playing in Cleveland, it brought so much money to that city that everything's surrounding that basketball game that people don't even think about from the people that serve the popcorns to the people that does the parking to the people across the street to the bars it's just everything that goes along with that city and sometimes when you're a small market this is this is like life-changing money it's almost like when the Olympics come to your city you know it just turns around the next 10 to 20 years when you understand the economics and things that happen through studying that.

So I think that's that's the really good part of bringing it to a small city. But do people want to go to those small cities? Probably not. People will prefer to see the game in New York, New York versus Indiana. That's a that's a clear cut answer. New York, because more people want to go to New York. They want That's a clear cut answer, New York, because more people wanna go to New York. They wanna shop on Saks Fifth. They wanna eat downtown and all of that.

But that's what I would say. So of course they wanted to be in LA. It's pretty a play. This is gonna be life changing for OKC and Indiana. The play is gonna be one of the first times we saw two blue collar states just play. Yeah, what Mase said is correct. It brings a lot of money to the town that you're in.

Do I wanna see it? If it's good basketball, I don't mind seeing it. I'm gonna watch. I see it, you know, New York niggas, nobody wanna see that shit. Niggas calling me up. Nobody mind seeing it. I'm gonna watch. I see it, you know, New York, nobody wanna see that shit, niggas calling me up. Nobody watching that shit. I'm gonna watch. It's not a lot of basketball left.

I'm gonna watch. They're telling me I'm not gonna watch. I'm definitely gonna watch. But the way that, to me, and I don't have, this is not a correct answer, I'm just giving my opinion, pardon me. The way a little market city, pardon me, a small market city becomes a big market,

not necessarily ever a big market because the city you live in is a city, is becoming a dynasty and becoming, and if you keep winning, let's say for instance, Indiana wins this year, niggas ain't gonna respect the championship, but they not. Indiana, well, they're not.

They're just not gonna be respected. But if they win again next year, they be like, oh, I ain't fucked going on. And they lose the year after and win again, they be like, oh, well, let's play a touch of it, because y'all think it's about a team like my team. San Antonio's not a big market. It's not Dallas, it's not Houston, you know what I'm saying?

So therefore, it's not considered a big city, but when you keep winning, and you have somebody like Tim Duncan, and you say, oh, David Robinson, who was there prior to Tim Duncan, you be like, all right, these niggas all right. And then what happens, you start becoming familiar with the other players. Who's the Tony Parker nigga?

Oh, no, he all right. Who this left-hand nigga from Argentina? Manu? Yeah, the Manu nigga, all right. I like the Manu nigga. Bruce Bowen be playing defense and all that, man. Them niggas is the old David Watt. You know what I'm saying? These niggas,

you start getting familiar, like, right now, right? I would sit here and be lying to you're like, David, what? You know what I'm saying? These niggas, you start getting familiar, like right now, right? I would sit here and be lying to you if said, I've been watching Neesmith all year for Indiana. Or I've been talking about, you're the Nim Hart nigga, if I've been talking about Nim Hart in November. But as niggas start winning and you see production and the more basketball you watch from certain players,

the more familiar you get with them. So if you keep winning, your city not saying, Indiana will never be New York. But if winning solves a lot of shit and then winning on a consistent basis, then niggas will get more familiar. And then niggas might be like, yo, niggas back in Chubb C, let's go to Indianapolis.

He was popping out there in Indianapolis this season. Yo, fucksee, let's go to Indianapolis. He was popping out there in Indianapolis this season. Yo, fuck it, let's go to OKC. I think that winning consistently can get you to more eyeballs on the television. This sounds very much like Mase's title town requirements. As you were saying that, I was like, this is what Mase would try to say. I'm glad you've been honest today, Scott.

I'm always honest. I like when you're being honest today, Scrat. I'm always honest. I like when you like that. Anyways, yeah, that's what I was like, it kind of sounded like. I mean, for me, I don't make a dollar. It's all about with David Stern, I mean, not David Stern, pardon me, Adam Silver, and them niggas gotta deal with,

because it was a stat, and of course, since sent it to me, it was like 1,500 people, 1,000 less, something like that. And I'd have to fact check this. So I think during the break, I'm gonna fact check it because since sent it to me, it's from Complex Sport. That's the only reason I really paid attention to it. Is that one of those games with the Knicks and Indiana Pacers were only 1,000 or 1,500 viewers less than the Super Bowl.

You know how big that is? That's ridiculous. If that stat is official. Like I said, Sin sent it to me, so I have to fact check it. But if that is true, the fact that they only have 1,500 viewers less than the Super Bowl, and there's Indiana and the Knicks, that says a lot. Yeah, it does. And then, so to also add to that, Adam Silver explained, he said, if we were going into a Super Bowl and it was Packers versus Steelers, you guys would celebrate

that. Those would be storied franchises. People wouldn't be talking about the fact that Pittsburgh is a small market. I'm happy with whatever team ends up in the finals, but it's been intentional from our standpoint to create a system, a collective bargaining agreement that allows more teams to compete. So one, do you agree with that football comparison? And then kind of to you guys' points prior, do you feel like that aligns with what? That about Pittsburgh? That's what he said.

He said, if we were going to a Super Bowl, you guys would celebrate Packers versus Steelers as far as smaller markets. Yeah, I mean, it's some truth to that, but like I said, to me, the best team should be the team that's playing. It shouldn't be where you're making it, where teams got a better chance because they're a bigger market, because then that begins to rig the league. I mean, right now, you got Indiana there.

Indiana has been in pursuit of this championship for a long time. You know, somebody like OKC has been in pursuit of this championship for a long time. You know, somebody like OKC has been in pursuit of this for a long time. So realistically, I don't think people understand how important this series is. This is the changing of the gods. This is literally the championship that changes the god. We'll never go back to those that were before.

We just won't, you know? Once these guys get on this stage, it's gonna be over for the ones that we used to know it for because now they're gonna be playing like champions. They're gonna come back with way more confidence. And just to answer your point, I think it's the same as the Packers and the Steelers. You think what is the same as the Packers and the Steelers?

Okay, see? And Indiana is the same as the Packers and the Steelers. You think what is the same as the Packers and the Steelers? Okay, see, in Indiana is the same as the Packers and the Steelers. You're saying like small markets. It's the same type of concept. Like two small markets. We would celebrate that. We would go watch the Super Bowl if it was the Packers and the Steelers. Neither one of them is a big enough city like that to us, but we would definitely watch

that game and think it was a lit game. I think this was a terrible example of, this was one of the worst examples that you could give Adam Silver, because whether they're big markets or not, they're small markets, obviously, to your point of view. These are historic franchises when it comes to football. Like yo, why would you say the Pittsburgh Steelers? This is a historic football franchise. This was a worst example you could give. Yo bro, it's the Steelers and not only the Steelers,

the Packers. Pause. Yo, Do you know what these two teams, these football franchises mean to football? Bro, you're bugging because, but you gotta realize it's this. Let's say for instance, right? You got the Cowboys. Who would you say, Larry, top three franchises in football?

Cowboys. New England. I wouldn't even put New England. Cowboys, 49ers and fifth-percenters. There you go, 49ers. That's what I meant. 40, you go to a game. Let's say the Steelers are playing the Chargers in LA.

It's terrible towels everywhere. Them yellow towels, them shits is everywhere. You're not gonna get Indiana terrible towels in OKC. Now, you may have some OKC fans to go up there. I'm talking about 80,000, 90,000 stadium of Steeler fans traveling to support their team. Not only that, nigger, the Lombardi, this is in Green Bay. This is Lombardi, the nigger's in Green Bay, the frozen tundra.

Yeah, bro, these two teams were terrible examples. Now, I get where you're trying to come from saying, This is in Green Bay. This is in Barney and them niggas in Green Bay, the frozen tundra. Yeah, bro, these two teams were terrible examples. Now, I get where you're trying to come from, saying it's not like going on in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Pittsburgh. You know, I believe they got a hockey team, now a basketball team, this is more market. But at the end of the day,

they use these two teams to compare the Packers and Steelers to OKC and Indiana Pacers, you wilding the fuck out, my nigga. You wilding, my nigga. And I'm going to be honest with you, don't do it again. Don't do it again, my nigga. Don't do that. Do not compare the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Indiana

Pacers to the Pittsburgh Steelers and Green Bay Packers. Don't do that, my nigga. And I'm being honest with you, if nobody told you that, you ain't got no real friends. A real friend would have told you that you out doubt with that. I'm being totally honest with you. That was the dumbest shit you could have said

as a comparison. I get what you mean city-wise, but these are historic franchises. Don't do that no more, bro. Yeah. Fuck it, Steelers got about six, seven, six, seven Super Bowls. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I know Green Bay got at least two or three. If I'm not gonna say two, four. Four. Whatever it is, neither one of these franchises got the championship. Stop. Wasn't good, that wasn't good, bro.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I actually completely agree. I thought that was silly. And it's kind of scary when you make comparisons like that for somebody at his position because it shows how out of tune he is. Cause I'm like, that's what you think that comparison is. And be like, oh, it's just small markets. Like you guys would be so happy with the Steelers Packers.

Like first of all, when the Steelers and Packers used to go head to head in the Super Bowl, that was, everybody was coming out for that, especially when it was Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, that type of thing. Like this is nowhere comparable because Halliburton still trying to get that name for himself. Yes, SGA has that name. We're not fully ready to give them the face of the league thing yet, because I do think, you know, they're still trying to give it to an American, which still try to figure that out. It's just not the same type of matchup, which makes sense of why they're trying to kind of do

all these new things, so the All-Star game, just kind of the end season tournament, all those things. But I think they need some, like, I don't know how you fix it, but they need some more hip people, also a mix of younger people to help you make these decisions. Because I don't know who's helping, but if that's his mentality, like, it's not gonna work. Especially if you want us to watch.

I get what you're saying. That's scary coming from a commissioner who has that mindset. Yeah. Where is that lead going? Exactly. You think that. Yeah.

Okay. So, also regarding the finals, everything coming up. So, the NBA, you know, they name players as media correspondents for the finals. So this year, the correspondents are Sixers, Jared McCain. Remember, that's the one that paints his nails. We got Jaime Jaquez from the Heat, Dyson Daniels from the Hawks.

And I don't want to butcher his name, but last name, Bozelec from Chicago. Do you guys like this concept of player media corresponding specifically coming from younger players? I like the idea of giving new players this concept of player media corresponding, specifically coming from younger players? I like the idea of giving new talent the opportunity to do anything. I just think it should be people, I haven't seen them yet, but more people that people will probably wanna watch.

When I think of this list, I could think of some other younger guys that are probably have, you know, just as much as personality, but also have a following that will bring another audience. But when you think of these group, do you think of this as a lit group? Jared McCain, yeah. Okay. You named four people. I know, because I'm looking, Bezelis from Chicago, Jaime, I mean, I'm very aware of him

because I'm a Heat fan. I don't know about the general. Jaime, that's your guy. That's what I'm saying. As a Heat fan, yeah. Oh, you loving this. I mean. Burger King. I mean, there are some people I'd rather see commentate instead.

Like who? Off the top of my head, who I feel like is funny. Like, I mean, I know they're not going for players like this, but I would rather see honest, making comments and stuff like that. Somebody who's like not really Ant-Man for sure. Granted, they just had their exits, so he probably doesn't want to do that. Those are the comments I would see.

Ja Moran. Yeah, so. And then Dyson Daniels, I mean, I know he did really good for the Hawks, but that's not really the first person on my mind. Only person is Jerry McCain, because he does have a really big following on social media, even aside from playing basketball.

That's the Nails? Yeah. Sally Hansen, Nailed Deal. That's the first one she made. Shout out McCain. His content's funny though. Y'all just, it's okay. We agree to disagree.

The Mellow Ball, it's a few people. LaMelo would be funny. LaMelo would be funny. LaMelo would be funny. LaMelo would be funny. LaMelo would be bad funny. So yeah. I would have put LaMelo and Jama rant with McCain and the other guy, Hime. And what are they doing exactly? Yeah, so they're just media correspondents, so provide on the ground coverage directly

to the NBA social and digital platforms. That's the description social and digital platforms. That's the description I got for you. This one was saying, right? Me and murdered and shook shit up, so now I think it's trying to. If you need us to do the correspondent, stop trying to copy everything you can do. Let me tell a lot of people out there, all right? I'm just giving, I'm gonna give some advice.

And I know we're not pros, but this is the shit that niggas, you know, they shaking media up. We gotta think of something. Get the nails in the crew, high knee, high cast, and them niggas, the dude, get a co-respondent. Curse more, curse more. Get them to do more shit. So now, because we gonna shake shit up,

they trying to do anything. And I'm gonna give y'all some advice. Not just let me, y'all look stupid. Yeah. Because y'all be trying to do mad shit and it don't be original. I'm not saying that this idea, y'all ain't having now. It's dope because I love when Peyton Manning

and his brother Eli, or ESPN2 on Monday nights, that's dope. But when you try to copy with somebody's door, we can see you. Yeah. Yeah. We can see you. And I'm not saying this is what we're doing. I'm not talking about this correspondence,

but you could tell that they're like, yo, shit is getting hip out there. We oughta shake shit up. I know what to do, but you can tell that they're like, yo, shit is getting hip out there, we oughta shake shit up. I know what to do, get the nails, and hide me high-kegs, and the rest of the niggas, and let them correspond, and yeah, that'll get it. That's the new way to go about it. That'll get them on our side.

It's like wearing lugs. What you mean? Uggs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What you mean? Lugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you wanna wear Timbs. Yeah, exactly, I get what you're saying. Those are not Timbs. Yeah, they're not, and we said we're available

for consultation. We're available, cause the moves y'all be making is stupid, yo. This is some dumb shit. I don't know these people's personalities, so there's no disrespect to y'all. But ever since we started doing this shit, I've been seeing dumb shit. I don't know these people's personalities, so there's no disrespect to y'all. But ever since we started doing this shit, I've been seeing weird shit.

I've been seeing a lot of weird shit with sports and podcasting and corresponding. Shit been weird. Cause you know why? Cause you be like, if you need help, we can help you. What, okay. Yeah, we'll come do that show.

Yeah, I will correspond. My thing is, fall back. Yeah, fall back. My thing is, who is organizing this? Who is your urban person in the NBA who's saying, yo, what do we need to keep up the little hip and stay fly? And who's giving you these ideas? I know Adam Silver's not coming up with this.

I know Stu Jackson and whoever else is in it. We can help. You look dumb trying to do it on your own. And you know what it'd be, Murda? They don't want to deal with us. It's like, we can't call them niggas. Them is the last niggas we could call, yo. I do not want to talk to them niggas, man.

Shit is wild talking to them. I get it. We calm down. We not like that. Like that no more. We that, like that no more. Yeah, we ain't like that no more. We more reasonable these days. We learned some of our lessons. Yeah, yeah, man, we not unreasonable. But when you do shit like this, it looks like you reaching to try to stay hip or try to stay in the loop

and it be looking dumb. Yeah. All you gotta do is hit to stay in the loop and they be looking dumb. Yeah. All you gotta do is hit the link in the bio. Yeah. Reach out to murder people, my people. Yeah, man. We can help out, but to me, this seems like a reach, if you ask my personal opinion.

Yeah, they gotta pass though. Yeah, man, I ain't mad at that. Yeah, they gotta pass. That's what I'm saying, when I hear that, bring up shit like this and be like, it sounds like so much of a reach last minute to try and be hip. Y'all ain't been trying to be hip.

Now y'all trying to, you know what I'm saying? Like yo, the word is obvious. It's obvious and it's blatant. I was talking to my man, about certain shit. And I was like, yo, shit is obvious. No, it's blatant. I was talking to my man, about certain shit. And I was like, yo, shit is obvious. No, it's blatant. It's not, fuck obvious killer.

Shit is blatant. Don't take obvious out of it. It's blatant. I said, yeah. I like Yeah. I always tell them like that. I said, you know what?

Niggas don't like to hear from me. Yeah, I said, you know what? I am going to't like to hear from me. Yeah, I said, you know what? I am gonna take obvious out. We gonna stick with blatant. It's blatant. He's like, look at this, look at this. Yeah, yeah. You wanna see this?

That's a fact. I'm gonna stick with blatant. I'm going with this blatant. Yeah, it is. But we're available for consultation once again. This is actually a great pitch. I'm just putting that out there right now. Cause that's what I'm saying,

just down from Adam Silver's ideas to this. So you asked a couple questions, I have answers. So started with the Senior Vice President of Entertainment in Player Marketing, Michael Levin, started in 2015 with CJ McCollum, and then basically the program's goal is to help prepare players for the next stage of their careers when their playing days are over.

He said the reality is that they want to work with players in unique ways when they playing days are over. He said the reality is that they want to work with players in unique ways when they can be perceived positively. So they give them this access for content, help their social media, and the purpose is to do it on the NBA's biggest stage. So according to y'all, they need help. You guys accept consultations

and this isn't the way to do it. Yeah, hit me up, hit me up. Look, and what I've learned also is this, don't get it fucked up. It's always good to have somebody who played with experience talk about the sport. Whether, you know, that's why me and May say, no, this is why we bring in an OJ Simpson.

This is why we bring in a Mike Irvin. This is why we bring in a Mark Jackson. This is why we bring in a Tony O'Brien. Because we know that we don't have the inside the locker room on the field on the court experience. But that don't mean that we don't know the game or analyze the game just as well. We don't have the experience,

but sometimes the niggas with the experience don't know how to talk. They don't know how to, so just because you play basketball or play football or play soccer or hockey or whatever sport that there's analysts in, that don't mean that you know how to get across a camera and explain the dynamic of what the audience needs to hear and understand. Let me tell you something.

A lot of times on this show, I dumb down when I say so that the casual fan can know. I can sit up here and run numbers all day on y'all niggas that have analytics and box scores, so on and so forth. But you know how many people, especially females, especially females, have said, Cam, I never understood football till you said it. Or I didn't understand the basketball, the free throw.

I never understood the shot clock. A lot of times we dumb down certain things, and that's why I correct myself, stat or mace, because sometimes we know we're talking about and our audience that likes us for us, we may be going too fast for them. So I want people to learn about the sport as well as our analyzation about what we're talking about.

But we're also teaching as we go along. Sometimes you have a nigga that's too ahead of the game and somebody may not know what the fuck you talking about because you're not speaking their language. But don't get it fucked up that we can't sit here and do anything that anybody does. Because half the time when I walk in the room, I know murder, but half the time,

not even half the time, I'm gonna say 95% of the time, I know I'm the smartest nigga in the room when I walk in. That's just my attitude. I'm gonna say 95% of the time, I know I'm the smartest nigga in the room when I walk in. That's just my attitude. When I walk in the room, I say there's nobody in this room smarter than me. I don't care who's in there. That's just my attitude when I walk in the room.

Hey, that's the way to do it. So, tonight is finally the night. You think that though? Yeah, that's the way to do it. So, tonight is finally the night. You think that though? Yeah, that's why I laugh. I'll be honest. I definitely think I'm the smallest thing in the room. You should think that though, too though, in addition to when you know it.

I got a 1200 on my SATs. See, that's the thing about it. You smart. That's also different. Street smart. I'm borderline. My teacher told me I was borderline genius. You, you're 1200 SAT borderline genius

in the white man's curriculum. I'm just saying, them niggas wish you to test, man. Yeah, you right. Yeah. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. So, to test, man. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy.

I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy.

I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. I'm gonna saying, them niggas wish you to test, man. Yeah, you right. Yeah. I'm gonna start using that. That's crazy. So tonight, OKC versus the Pacers, it is time. Underdog got TJ McConnell at 13 and a half points,

rebounds, and assists. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace? Lower. I like that low white nigga off the bench, McConnell, man. That nigga. That set up three, he keeps you. Not only that, that nigga, you know how niggas get in the game?

Yeah. They trying to warm up pass, that nigga's in the game. Yeah, he looking good, he getting the bucket. Yo, he was pissing me off sometimes, like, yo, get three, four passes. But then he get to the basket and be scoring. I'm like, oh, he knows something that we don't Points rebounds on this is 14 13. Yeah 13

We're gonna law Hey Lou Dort twelve and a half points and rebounds got him higher lower Kim some good ones right here This is good. I'm a dog trying to get the money back. Yeah Lou Dort 12 and a half points and rebounds. Got them higher or lower, Kim? Some good ones right here. This is good. I'm the dog trying to get the money back. Yeah. Yeah. Damn.

I'm gonna go lower. Yeah, lower. Okay, and Chet is at four and a half first quarter points. You have him higher or lower, Mase? I'm going higher, Chet. Chet gonna show up. I'm going higher as well. Okay, make sure y'all download the Underdog app

and you can make your picks too. So the Phoenix Suns got a new head coach and where will Ben Simmons end up? We will discuss after the break. An underdog, you can play your way to bigger boosts each round of the playoffs with the extended. Start a series by using your game one boost and continue boosting each subsequent game.

The longer the series, the bigger the boosts. Underdog, the best place to pick playoff basketball. I'm going to be back. I don't know. What's happening? Me won't fall. Oh, Oh, dealing with this thing called trust, but she really think it might be free. Welcome back. So the Phoenix Suns has a new head coach. According to Shams, the Suns hired Jordan Ott who spent the 2024 to 2025 season

as an assistant coach for the Cavs under Kenny Atkinson. So Shams noted that Devin Booker was involved in the search and stamped Ott as his top choice for the job. Mase, how do you feel about the Suns? Granted, we knew that their prior coach was fired, but having another head coach and then Devin Booker having a say in this. I'm happy for the Phoenix Suns, especially if Devin Booker is happy. That means he thinks this guy's gonna help them win.

And I'm looking forward to that. I was always high on Devin Booker, basketball skills, pause, hut. And I look forward to him playing much better next year and him getting some wins. So I don't know how the Bradley bill thing is gonna work out, but I definitely think they how to brightly build, thing is gonna work out, but I definitely think they need to switch that around.

But this new coach should be interesting. To me, it's not really a lot to talk about, but one thing is that Devin Booker, pardon me, Booker, Devin Booker, security at Phoenix is safe, and everybody else is, that's all I can really take from this, yeah, they had to hire a new coach. I don't really know much. I can't say and say like I know a bunch about this coach

to talk about them. But the one thing that I took from that is that they didn't go to KD, they didn't go to Bradley Beale. They didn't go to anybody. Only person you heard say that helped out, helped pick this coach out was Devin Booker. So that's the only thing that I can reallyick this coach out was Devin Booker. So that's the only thing that I can really take from this is that Devin Booker, um, spot on the Phoenix Sun roster

is safe and everybody else can be traded tomorrow. Yeah, so from that, right, so we see Devin Booker, we're just assuming he's safe. We don't kind of know what's happening with the rest of them. And then, of course, them having another coach after, like, basically every season. Do you ever see them facing kind of any sort of consistency anytime soon, or do you think they're just going to be

in a rebuilding era for a little bit of a minute? I actually think that Phoenix is like two players away from changing that entire team. One of the guards that I hated to see leave Phoenix was the, what's his name, like Shampard or something that played with the New York Knicks. He comes off the bench, he had a jump shot. Number, I forgot his number.

Shamit? Shamit, Shamit, yeah. He would be good to go back to Phoenix and play the point. They just need some solid point guard that could shoot when he's open. They don't need somebody who need a lot of active things and they need a big man. But I think they can get enough points from Booker

and somebody else to play the wings. They just really need a point guard and a big man. I think they missed they window. Yeah. I think they had an opportunity that year, Chris Paul, and that big nigga who got locked in his house for the fucking night storm. Fuck is that nigga name? D8.

Yeah, D8 and that nigga from Bahamas. Eight and eight. Why is that the very thing that you have? Why I did? Why I what? I'm just saying that being the, yeah, the one that got locked in his house in an ice storm and couldn't go to the gate, that was crazy.

Let me ask you a question, Stat. What else you know him from? That's fair. That's fair. I don't think, I don't know. I'm just asking. Did he have 10 blocks one game? He's like, oh nah, the one the nigga has 60, that night he had, where do you know him from?

No, you're right. It's just, that was funny. It's not my fault. That's, I remember him from? No, you're right. It's just, that was funny. Not my fault. That's all I remember from getting locked in this house because it was ice outside. He told me he couldn't come to the game. But to be honest with you,

I think that that was the year they had an opportunity. And then they also went to the championship as well. People forget that Dallas sent them home next year. But that was the opportunity. And that goes to show sometime that speeding to try and get ahead could sometimes set you back. You know, Aiden, that year that me and Mace went to Phoenix to see them play, they lost to the Nuggets in six games.

But you gotta think about this, Aiden didn't play and Chris Paul didn't play. So we're sitting there saying, and I don't know if that would have been enough to stop Denver, because theirs on a mission that year. That's the year they actually won the championship. But if we're sitting here thinking about it, teams always say, we wanna win now,

we need to do something now. And making these dramatic moves, sometimes it sets you back. Last night, I was sitting there hearing people talking about how the Knicks might trade or, you know, this is all speculation. I have no info on this. Kevin Durant for Carl Anthony Towns. Is that gonna help the Knicks? I don't know. I'm not saying that will or won't. Kevin Durant for Carl Anthony Tamz.

Is that gonna help the Knicks? I don't know. I'm not saying that will and won't. But this is what I'm saying. You're two games, you're six, pardon me, six games away from winning the NBA championship. You're two games are going to the NBA finals. The coach is fired, trades trades already being talked about. This is the first time this team played together.

They haven't played together. To me, you need to bulk up the bench and figure out some assets around the bench, but these moves are already trying to get made. And then what happens is now if you get bumped next year in the first round or second round, everybody gonna say we should have left shit alone. This team played together for nine months

and was two games away from an NBA championship. And now all these major adjustments need to happen. Sometimes just relax, give it two, three years and see what happens. It isn't like these players are going anywhere. Carl Anthony Towns gonna be 30 when the season starts. Jalen Brunson is 30, the rest of these kids, these niggas not even in their mid-30s. So you sit there and make these drastic changes,

and then you set yourself back another six, seven seasons when you might've only been one or two seasons away from the ultimate goal. So... You saying you wouldn't trade Towns for Katie? I'm not saying I would or wouldn't, but what I'm saying is this. You have chemistry now with the team you got. So if you trade Carl Anthony Towns,

now you have to start new chemistry with Kevin Durant and figuring out how Jalen Brunson is gonna play with Kevin Durant and Bridges or Josh Hart. Secondly, do you want Mitchell to be your starting center? That's what it would have to be if Kevin Durant goes there. And I'm not saying that will work. I hear people, when I was saying I heard about this,

people were saying if you do that trade, the Knicks are going to the championship. That's what I've been hearing, when niggas was talking about it. Yeah, because they thinking about Siakam. They see Siakam next year. Right, but I'm just saying, you sit there, they're saying that you're not gonna have Jason Taylor

in them already at the season. Giannis is already not happy in Milwaukee. We don't know what we're gonna get from Paul George and these guys in Philly. Orlando still seems to be a few years away. They got a young pieces. They're saying that it was smoke and mirrors with Cleveland. They're saying that if you get KD on this team now, the Knicks go to the championship.

And I'm saying that's not a foregone conclusion because you got Kevin Durant. Is he gonna mesh with the players that's there? We already know Kevin Durant is our world. And this is a great example, Murda. When we see Kevin Durant is our world. And this is a great example, Murda. When we see Kevin Durant, Bradley Bill, and Devin Booker, what do we all say?

Championship. Championship. They go. They at least going. They at least going out of the West. They not even making the play. Sometimes just because it's a name doesn't mean it's gonna equal into chemistry. And that's what I'm saying. So I'm not saying that they wouldn't be good, but I'm saying you're taking away a whole year chemistry

to gamble on something that may not work out. So you would trade them or you would? Would I do it? No, I wouldn't do it, just because the simple fact that your bench is what stopped y'all there. You need to focus on the bench. I don't think it's nothing wrong with the starters. Think about this, Murda. that your bench is what stopped y'all there. You need to focus on the bench. I don't think it's nothing wrong with the starters.

Think about this, Murda. Jalen Brunson is the starting point guard for the Eastern Conference All-Star game. Carl Anthony Towns is the starting point guard for the Eastern Conference. So that means there's no better center. We know Joel and B didn't play, but it's no better center on the East Coast right now

than Carl Anthony Towns as far as you look. You think about it, you could argue on Bam or somebody like that. Carl Anthony Towns, he's the best big, least definitely the best shooter. And like I said, we not gonna use Joel Embiid because he wasn't there. But you're taking a third team all NBA

and trading them for somebody who's gonna be potentially 37 this year. And he didn't make, Kevin Durant didn't make all NBA this year. I wouldn't do it me personally because we're building something and we're two games away from a championship, six games away, I mean, from going to the finals, six games away from winning the championship.

And now you're ready to tear all that down for a possibility. Yeah. Would you do it? I'd trade them. Yeah. I'm not mad at the answer. I'm not mad at the answer. I'm not mad at the answer. Okay.

Well, that is all the time that we have for today. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. What you want nigga? Everything nigga supersized Two big necks Like when they doin' them two for five