IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE PATRIOTS ARE BACK, SAM DARNOLD'S LEGACY GAME & LEBRON JAMES VS. THE LAKERS?!

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

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And today we are doing with our analyst, Michael Irvin. Killer Mike, what's good? Hey, hey, no, no, let me jump on you, New York, niggas, right on the top of you, boy. Oh, you're ain't coming in that easy now. That's crazy. Jump one, niggas. All that New York, all that New York,

right now, Sam Donald is saying, what's that Shack's on? What's that Shaq song, the song to Colman? Mike, I'm not how my age tastes. It's what you're talking about. Mike, he didn't even start this show yet. Mike, let me get my glass. That's it. I can't see you right now, Mike.

Let me get my glasses. Hey, you New York, yeah. Cam, don't tell me y'all they're feeling some kind of way. Sam Dorn and y'all kicked them to the curve. New York all tough and rough. And now, you know, took another squad to the Super Bowl. And y'all still in that. First of all, you know, first of all, Mike, he didn't even leave New York and go to Seattle.

That's how you know, niggas just love New York niggins. Yeah, love New York, period. The nigga went to North Carolina, went to San Francisco. He's posted sign of Minnesota, then ended up in Seattle, but some type of way you figure out how to get back to New York, to blame New York. He played with three, four of the team. Your niggins is crazy. Skip like five teams. just going at New York.

Mike, and how are you doing this? You're dressed like Pop Smoke right now. He's from New York, Mike. Mike, you got your head braided like Bob Smoke. How are you going against New York, man? Welcome to the party, Mike. Like three other teams, and you go straight to New York niggas. Y'all mean, the niggas love to hate on New York niggas, man.

They can't wait. They can't wait, bro. God though, Mike. Sam, when I told y'all, I told y'all, you know, y'all got to be just a little patient with people, man. And you know, New York, they don't know. And then you can make a song. If you're gonna make it in New York,

you're gonna make it anywhere, but we far and everybody. Okay, he didn't make it in New York, but he went and made it somewhere else. Not anywhere in Seattle. I'm just saying, though. That's great. You know what it's crazy, man? That's what it is.

Well, Statt was here. May, she wasn't here. Statt was here. You wasn't giving Sam Donald no praise. You was like, well, we got to see what happens because the running game for Seattle, they didn't really need them. And then the defense is there, so it got to be, he got out one of them games.

So that was just safety net. He had one of them games, which we're going to get to, but don't act like you was like, yo, Sam Donald's going to come in and close the show. More words, watch, he's going to come in there and do it. That's not what you said, bro. You say. Well, we don't know.

We don't know. You know, we got to see what's going to happen. You know, he hasn't proven this. Now you're talking about Sam Donald. Fuck New York. Yo, you're a wild, Mike. Yo, you're a wild, man. Let me tell you.

Wow, man. I wouldn't go, I didn't go all the way with Sam Donald because you New York, niggas. I was scared of y'all. Jesus. Because of y'all. Look at this. Look at this.

Cous of Y'all. Yeah. Mike, that's wild, man. That was here, stat seen that that nigger was not confident about Sam Donald. He's like, we got, well, we gotta see. We gotta see the running game, the defense, we know it's gonna take, yeah, man,

yeah, what's that? Yeah, I don't know. It's an unpredictable playoffs now, Mike, all of a sudden. Mike, come on now. And we don't know who's gonna win now. This is your guy, Mike. You're all over the fact. plays Mike. Yeah. I don't know. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Yeah, Mike, I don't know if I

understand your logic, but maybe you can explain here because we're going to start with that game. So Super Bowl is set. Sam Darnold and the Seahawks are going to the Super Bowl after beating the Rams 31 to 27. Mike, how do you feel about this outcome? Are you shocked? And what did you think of Sam Darnold's gameplay? Well, as I told you, I wasn't shocked. I knew I took Seattle winning that game, you know, but, but it did come down, and I said it will come down to Sam Sam, Sam, we'll have to make some plays. And through the playoffs, really, it was just a running game that really been winning for them.

But the reality is he did step on to make plays. He threw for 346 yards today, so it wasn't like he was just doing nothing. He made plays, and he needed to make those plays. So you got to give them all the. credit in the world, Sam Donald. The route he took, the doubt he had the ship, he had the shape, all of that stuff, and still go and get his team right there and got him in the Super Bowl. I mean, you think about that 2018 class.

You had Baker Mayfield, you had Josh Allen, you know, and Lamar Jackson, of course, John wrote with Josh Rosen, but he's nowhere around, and Lamar Jackson. And right now, Sam Donald, he went third in that draft. He's the one holding his hands up and saying, I am he. Out of all of those guys I just mentioned, we had Sam and last. But now he's in the Super Bowl. He who laughs last, laughs best.

You know what I'm saying? And he's out of here with all that philosophy, man. What do you mean? If Matt Stafford just had a little bit better things that happened in the fourth quarter, you would not be talking this, Mike. It's not like he was that much better than Matthew Stafford the whole game.

It's just the way it went, Mike. It wasn't like that crazy, Mike. But if you made the whole season, it's the whole season. And we all did, we all did it. And rightfully so, because we are in the world where you got to prove. I don't get what you say. You got to go out and prove it.

And you know, we always say it. And I said it myself, I want to see you do it in the big game because you had a bad game last year in the playoffs and then and then you had bad moments all the way back to New York when you talked about seeing ghost and all of those things, you know. So we all wanted to see him, not see ghost, and show up in the big moment.

And he did, and he did, you know, and I know all of you New Yorkers all the way back to the jet day, never thought it was in him. That's why when you cut them off, you thought he was doing something good. But then Sam just told you, man, you know, I just want you all of this. No, that ain't the truth, man.

So I think we should all, you know, as a show, as a show, a show where all these New York leaders on there, we need to just tell Sam, you know. Hey, maybe we were wrong, Sam. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. You're not going to tell Sam that, Mike. We're not going to tell that.

We're not going to say that Sam. Listen, listen, when it goes, when it comes to this game. I mean, we knew from the top of the playoff series that, I mean, to the playoffs particular, that no team was guaranteed to win. We, we known this from the very beginning. I think when it comes to this game right here, I was definitely expecting the Rams to win. I thought Matthew Stavitt would go out there and get these other five points that they need to just be that much better. But when it came down to it, I think it was just that fourth quarter when you think about I don't think I ever seen a playoff game where where team both are putting up points

and just go cold for the fourth quarter where nobody scores. And I think that was the real tell sign of the game. I think Matthew was definitely supposed to put up some points. But, you know, I'm still heartbroken about Bolniks getting hurt. But we'll get to that. Yeah, though, this was a really good game, man. Like, listen, that third quarter was amazing, man. And all the way around the board, the game was really good. And, you know, Pooka can, Pookie, no, I'm back to, they lost. I forgot I pronounced his name again once you start losing me back to being Pookie and shit. He played absolutely great.

Matthew Stafford played great. That kid, you know, but to me, boiled down to the two. And both all four of them played great. You got Matthew and you got Pookie. Then you got Sam Dundle and you got that Jackson Smith, nigger. He was nice to dumb niggas was killing, man. It was a great game. But this whole season, this whole season, it needs to be, you want to do investigations?

Let's do investigations on special teams, every team for this whole 20, 25, 26 season. The whole special teams for every team. This nigger loses the ball. You punt the ball to the nigger. He falls down, drops the ball. Seattle recovers on their own 18, 17-yard line. the very next play, they get a touchdown. That's really the difference in the game, to be totally honest with you.

Matthew Stafford did what he's supposed to do. We seen an outstanding job from Sam Donald. He did what he's supposed to do. But special teams all around the board this whole year has been terrible. And they've been courses city championship player runs, home field advantage, etc. That's what this game boiled down to to me. That nigger on special teams. It was also a play with, you know, penalty.

penalties as well. It was also a play where, you know, you got Seattle who catches a penalty. They got the Rams fourth and 12, about to have to punt the ball and kick a really far field goal. And the nigga goes and gets a ton of penalty, a penalty, which gives the Rams a first there. Very next play, Matthew Stafford made him pay him through a touchdown. It was an outstanding game all right around the board. But I'm blaming this on penalties and special teams. This counts during the playoffs, man. But hats off to Sam Donald.

I don't know where Michael Irvin is coming from with the New Yorkshire when he played for 19 of his cities for even got to Seattle. If anybody should be mad, anybody should be mad that isn't New York. It should be Minnesota. Minnesota, he had two bad games last year, last game in the season against the Lions and then whoever they, I forget what they lost during the playoffs, cost them tens of millions of dollars.

Then y'all think like damn I don't think we even want to fuck with him if he can't perform in a big moment Go to Seattle think about this. Gino Smith was playing real decent with Seattle, but he wanted to go with Pete Carroll to Vegas with with the Raiders. Now we look at it. That's how quick the NFL is. Geno Smith was playing real decent with Seattle. Go with his coach who had him playing decent Pete Cattle.

Now we're talking about the Raiders possibly drafted Mendoza. And Gino Smith, where's that Lee here? I know I'm going a little bit further than the game, but I'm just saying that's how quick the NFL changes. Like, man, you go from being a pro bowler to now you might be benched for a number one pick. But shout out to Sam Donald. So at the Mike McDonald, you know, second year getting them to the Super Bowl. Look, this is really, really good for the Seattle organization.

I have two, like a couple questions from Mike, two questions, actually. First thing is this, Mike. To you, what's the best organization in football? Which team? With Frank? Right. When you talk about, and we even had a conversation about culture versus talent, because the organization is how do you run?

Do you know how to reload and put players back in the, you know, back back on a football team? And there are a lot of issues through that. Philly does it pretty good. That's how they went from one quarterback and been back in the Super Bowl twice with this new quarterback, you know, with the Nick Froes and they put it back in. But now, but now what New England has done, getting back to the Super Bowl again right now starts talking to you about an organization in a culture, in a culture.

It's the Patriots way. It's how we do things. So everybody expects to be detailed, expects to be, but no. Now, remember Gerard Mayo last year when he was a couple of years when he was a coach, he was trying to loosen that up, be a little more friendly and it didn't really work. But here comes Rabel back, still get that Patriot way where we're not going to beat ourselves. And, you know, we're solid. We're going to play great defense and everybody's going to not make dumb mistakes like you were just talking about, special team.

All of those things right there, that's what you call a great organization. Yeah, the city has that too. They just had a falloff year this year. But those that's always winning and always got their team around winning is what I call the great organization. So you're saying the Patriots is the best organization in football. That's what you're saying. Sterling over the last 30 years, no doubt. Sturier over the last 30 years.

Is Seattle better organization than Dallas, Cowboys as well? Seattle's back in the Super Bowl. Yeah, before the Cowboys, Cowboys hadn't been there in 30 years. So right now, Josh Snyder, he's doing a good job. But he's still building kind of like, you know, he has a deal. Yes, Mike. Yes, Mike. Yeah, Mike.

Mike, Mike, just yes, Mike. He must have went to church today, Camp. He must do went to church yesterday. He got his cross on and he's telling the truth. Yeah, man. All I'm saying is yes or no, man. All this to comfort the Cowboy fans. All this to comfort the Cowboy fans.

Seattle's a better organization. Seattle's a better organization. And the Patriots are a better organization than the Cowboys. That's all. The answer is yes. That's my first question. Now, my second question is this. Would you rather have Drake May or Sam Donald over that Prescott?

Uh, well, that's all that's what are you saying? You're a, Max, and you're a question. Yeah, it's a good question, Mike. It's a good question. Answer the question. You was just Sam Donald out. I mean, if you're starting to organization, Mike is a legit question.

Nigger stuff. That's, yeah, oh my God. Yo, you know, Mike. You know, you know, you're saying, you know, Who was purpose Sam Donald? You started to show him off. Yeah, you started off. Drake May and Sam Donald over Dak Prescott.

If you're starting a team today, would you rather have either one of those players over a Dak Prescott? It's simple, yes or no. I'd rather be in a Super Bowl. And now, you're telling me, that's not the question. He'd rather be in a Super Bowl.

And Sam Donald was here with me. He'd rather be in the Super Bowl. You know, Mike, I thought you went to this. church yesterday you got you cross on my guy just tell it true that's not that's a a B cluster it's not I'd rather be in the Super Bowl who would you ever have if you're starting an organization today would you rather have Drake mate Sam Donald or that plus God that's all I'm asking not why if you rather be in the Super Bowl I started

this year saying I would want that fresh time yeah we're just saying for the question yeah but where you end in this season saying that's how you started are you how you ending it so so because they went to the Super Bowl that you're trying to you're trying to make it oh now Mike it's a simple tomatoes you take a drink you know what your murder your murder the answer is he'll take both for them over Jack because if it was that I'm taking dad you don't want to say it it's like

it would ruin his black card yeah Mike you don't want to ruin your black car you would take sand down to Andre off a jack any day he's just Dallas car he almost he knows Jerry's watching Mike don't say it Jerry's watching

Your mother, you ain't even know I lined them up for the best organization question. He didn't even realize it. Yeah, it's too late, but time you already said it. They can let one pass, Mike, but not too. Now, you went forward saying it wasn't Dallas on the first one, but he caught his help on Dak, brother. Yeah, that's a fact. That's what happened.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened, man. We're watching you, Mike. We're watching. That's what I was saying. trying to narrow the gate to the last 30 years. We ain't been in the chain plate home in the last 30. What I did do, you kept trying to brush out the line and braw in the states.

I just kept trying to narrow back on the lead. So yeah, for the last 30 years, both of those organizations, better organizations. Then all the ones you mentioned, because they've been in this game right here. Mike, when we're all for the organizations. We want to the water back. But that's what I'm going.

Do I start taking out an individual player? They say, oh, this player like this. You know what I mean? I'm going to take it. If you ask me, I'll take that Threscott over both of those quarterbacks right now. But that doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that that, that, because they're in the Super Bowl and why is that not in the Super Bowl? You see what I'm saying?

Individually, I'll take that talent and knowledge of the game over those two. But what those two organizations have done. over the last 30 years have put them there multiple times in the Cowboys so I gotta give them credit for that I don't know how else to get you this man I'm man it's out easily and stupid you know I know you got you know God fucking your microphone up Mike yes shit you did go yeah yeah my yeah my guys know when you're lying they just mess up the mics and we asked for that yeah y'all are

dressing Mike out and he's loyal to his loyal. First of all, your stat, stat, stat, stat. Could you chime in on this? Keep it real, stat. Come on. That's why I said he loyal to the soil. Like he, you know when you bring up Cowboys at all, that's gonna change his answer. No, Stack.

Chime in on everything. I need to take from when he started this episode, talk about Sam Donald, to when he said the Cowboys wasn't the best organization, to the time he started tap dancing about who's, what, What he won? Yeah.

Did you see all this? We went a lot of places, but I was going to let him say what he had to say. And it's okay. Like he said, look, at the end of the day, I just want to win. That's what he wants. He went to Seattle. He could take him there. That would be his ideal situation.

He made his way back. Mike, I don't know where you're at right now. He's trying to figure out where they go. You know what he keep trying to do? Then when he keep trying to do is say, well, in the last 30 years, they've been the best organization. Mike, we're trying to do it. Talking about the turn of the century.

Let's just keep it in the 2000s. Let's not even go back to the 1900s. Who's the best organizations? You already answered it. Because you have to think about this. I'm glad that you kept it real. Like you said, the Patriots, nobody think that they would be back to the Super Bowl.

I'm not saying it was like last night, but they've been to the Super Bowl this decade. And the turnaround, you think no Tom Brady, no Bill Belichick, damn, it's going to be down for a minute. You know, shout to my nigger Nick for me. underdog he was telling me at the beginning of this season that the Patriots going to be back I thought he was crazy and then you think about the Seahawks you know we thought of you know we don't remember last night but it ain't been

more than about 10 years from Legion of Boom the turnaround for them to be back in the Super Bowl it's amazing why is it taking the Dallas Cowboys so long to even make it to an NFC championship Mike could you answer that that's a that's a good I know I opened that door for you right there That's a lot, I understand. I don't know. It came back strong, hole that nigga did. You know, I think it's true.

I thought. Let me leave Mike alone, Bill. Like, I hate to see you in the deposition, Mike. The thing is, you had to do it, though. You had to do it because Mike started the show up here. Say, New York this, New York that, New York this, that y'all swapped it and made it Dallas this. this and the whole everything changed.

You talked it right back on Dallas. Like you like that poor. Hey, Mike, that's amazing. Wait, wait, what, me, means, you spot all, makes. You, you know, worked them damn depositions before, a bit airfuel. Yeah, we're saying, we're going to see you. We'll be here all day, boy, you ain't getting no way.

Yeah, man. Yeah. What's you think? You know, You all are funny. Okay. What I said? Let's just cut a deal.

That's so much up here. I'm telling you. I'm just saying. That's funny, man. That's funny. Okay. Now let's get into this next game. So the Patriots are also headed to the Super Bowl after beating the Broncos 10 to 7.

Mike, what were your biggest takeaways from this game? First of all, the way those both teams played defense, that was a, that was a phenomenal game. phenomenal game of defense by by the Patriots and by the Broncos. And let me give even the Broncos some credit. You know, hey, Stidham didn't play back poorly. Stittam made some plays now. I'll give you all that he made some plays. And I just see what coach is talking about.

Stittam does have some talent. I give him credit made plays. But dude, individually, watching Pat Surtan, did you all see the kind of coverage this dude was given? And how he was knocking balls down on Bouté, because they were trying on deep. And man, it reminded me so much of Dion and their talent. You know what I mean?

Watching him on the corner. But New England did what they needed to do. They made the fewest amount of mistakes. They ran the ball hard. They played hard. They played sounding. And then the weather got so bad. You couldn't come back and do anything.

They won the game. You know, so I don't one thing I didn't think about too though. I hate seeing games that means so much get played in weather like that. Yeah, I mean too. I know it's a home field advantage. I hate that, man. I'm like, oh my God, you can't even, you know, you can't really see anything. I just hate seeing games played like that.

I know that's that was supposed to be Denver's home field advantage, but New England is used to it. Yeah, I think when they jumped out at 7-0, I really believe. They probably thought they was going to win this game. When you look in the first quarter and their seven zip, I'm watching it, you know, on a plane thinking, oh, they might pull this off even because you know that it's impossible to throw long passes. So whoever normally gets up in Denver is going to win the game because of the air.

That's why they expect that. That's their own feel advantage. But, you know, just looking at them as a time goes on, It's just wondering like if they had bold nicks, they would have really won this game. I mean, this was a game they could have won. Looking back, even their defense would say, man, we could have won that game. And these are kind of games that hurt when you lose because it's so close, and especially for so much being on the line.

So I think both teams won, being that we've been talking mediocre up here, if you're talking mediocre, both teams won because if they only lost by three, and they didn't have Bo Nix. That's a win for the city of the Denver. Yeah, nah, it makes one team one team go to Super Bowl, one team not going Super Bowl. You know what Nick is me? Yeah, it was a win.

That's Michael Irvin. This is Michael Irvin's take right here, you know? Hell no. We don't give out no participation trophies. We ain't given out none of them, Joyce, man. But at the end of the day, I do agree with Mike. When I hate that shit, like, you know, when I was talking about the Broncos played against the Panthers in that Super Bowl,

years ago, I was in New York. And I remember the stadium literally by my house. And it was one degrees out, the one, real one degrees. You know, and they were like, the wind chill makes it feel my turn. I'm like, this is a terrible atmosphere to play the Super Bowl in. But what I will say is this. You said it as well, Mike. I can see if this was a L.A. team or a Northern California team or whatever.

Patriots used to cold, too, and it could have snowed in Foxborough just as well. So I'm not going to say and say it was like a Miami team playing against the Broncos. There's a team that's used to playing in the cold. But, yeah, when it's meaningful games, I hate to when the weather gets to that situation. But it was an ugly game. Defense won the game, and that's what it really boiled down to. If Bo Nix was playing, like May said, I think they could have won the game as well. It's a few plays.

The Stenham, you know, it wasn't about the plays. Yeah, he played decent, but sometimes, you know, it's instinct as well. When you have that feel as a quarterback, like you can't teach Caleb Williams scrambling back 15, 16 yards to throw a dime in the corner of the end zone. Sometimes it's instinct. And I think Stidham was more being mechanical today on Sean Payton's dime or what he would he have dialed up. And that's what he was supposed to do. Don't fuck this up. And I just thought it was just not enough for them to win.

It's really not too much to talk about. It wasn't really any scoring in the second half. Defense was amazing. Then the weather got bad. Congratulations. Yeah. Congratulations to the Patriots moving on. I want to ask you all this real quick before we go to break because I know you guys all brought up the weather.

Do you guys think that more games should be played in domes or do you guys kind of see it as just part of the game, Mike? I would like anytime you get to this level, the game would have the right conditions because you work so hard to get here. But now that's the home field advantage. What I would think would be perfect is every team has the ability to close the roof. They got so much money. Why not do that? You know what I mean? And then, yeah, and if you want to do that for a regular season game,

leave the roof open and play in that kind of weather, then you can and help get that game back home. But all playoff games, you got to close that damn roof up so we don't have that. And let us have a great playoff game and see who is better team to go on to get a Super Bowl. You know what I mean? That's just what I think. But, yeah, I agree with that. I totally agree. Yeah, I totally don't agree with that.

I think when it comes to football, that's what makes it not basketball, right? Because you got to play in a different environment. If you take that away, it's similar to basketball in a lot of ways. I look forward to those Christmas games in the snow and seeing people cold and seeing who can perform under the most extreme, you know, adversity. I think that's what makes it football. I think that's what separates football. from every other sport.

And not that you guys wouldn't know what you're talking about, especially you, Mike and killer, but from that aspect of watching people perform in a freezing cold, it lends to the swag, seeing people with the, um, shiasty on, or, you know, seeing people with the gloves catching and, you know, being cold. Once you close the dorm, it's almost like turf football,

in a sense. And for the diehard football fans that has been watching it since they was young, we look forward to those games at Cowboys versus whoever, you know, in the snow. I really remember those games, even as a kid. Yeah, if I were on TV, I would show you more snow shots of the fans coming, but they didn't close that day, a rule so we can see some real pull.

You know what I'm saying? No, I just try to mix it in there. No. I think no, no, listen, I totally agree with Mace as well. I do agree with Mace, what he said. But not in them playoffs, bro. Yeah. Not them championship.

Yeah, you work too hard. Like, that's the part I agree. I agree with Mace saying, too. But in the playoffs, you work all hard for it to be seven feet of snow. And it wasn't that bad, but I'm just saying that it's hard. But I do agree with Mace. People do look forward to that. I just think when it's champion.

chip level games. It needs to be that. This is my opinion, but both of y'all made some very good points. Yeah, Mike, and killer, it's like, you're slipping, pause, and I'm slipping. The ball is wet, pause, and I got to play that same game. Is, is, is muddy on the field or is icy, whatever it is, is that lends to the, the mental fortitude that I'm playing in the same terrain that you're playing in. I'm just figuring out things in real time that you're not figuring out. I think that's the real competitive edge. That's the way I'm speaking from, not that you guys that you're wrong about. That's a great point. That's a great point. But it's like, hey, when the guy caught the football on his helmet, like, this is, this is, this is what makes the game of football crazy. I'm, I mean,

when it's like that, I get excited about it because I know what the mental capacity is being displayed here like I'm that much tougher than you yeah right that's what football is if not it's like basketball you know and and if you do this killer this will be like taking the NBA from playing garden people like this to where you can't touch nobody that's how I look at it it's like the game would totally change Different perspectives, but they're good perspectives. Yeah, more softness. That's how I look at it.

More soft. Mike, you're getting soft, Mike. Pause. You getting soft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what they call weathered dog. It makes everything soft. Remember what I'm saying, literally and figuratively.

You know what I'm saying? All the way around. Oh, Mike. You're away from that. All that cold well, all cold. I just that. I just did. Okay, y'all.

In the comments down below, let us know what y'all would think about a dome, but we're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the Steelers, new head coach and Eric, the enemy's return to the chiefs. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Two nights, the Lakers will play the Bulls. Underdog has Luca at 33 and a half points. Do you have him higher, lower, lower?

Hi. Luca got to go crazy on them and especially because you got some really good talent coming out of Europe that's playing on the Bulls. So he definitely got to show that he's still that guy out of Europe. So I'm looking forward to him going crazy. Okay. Cam. Lower. Okay.

LeBron is at 22 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower Cam? Lower. Yeah, low. Those the wings on the, um, the wings in the small forward for, for, for the bulls is going to be looking forward to this game. Okay. And Colby, why is at 20 and a half points? Do you have them higher, lower mace?

Um, I'm going to go, um, higher. Kobe, don't make me look bad, man. Live up to the name Kobe. Okay. Cam. Kobe with a C. Lower. Hey.

Make sure I'll tell the underdog have and you can make your pace too. To the name. It was said, no, this is C. Kobe. Okay. So the Steelers are hiring Mike McCarthy as their next head coach. He previously served as the coach for the Cowboys from 2020 to 2024. So Mike, do you think that this is a good pick for the organization we were just talking about great organizations, but what do you think?

I was, and Mace, Mace made me really dive into this thinking from a whole different perspective, you know, because I thought, okay, I understand maybe they want to go in a different direction with Mike's, because this is an offensive Mike, and they've had the defense of Mike for so long and Mike Tomlin, and maybe they want to now focus on the office and they hire Mike McCarthy. But I also thought this is interesting because there was a breakup in Green Bay with Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy. So now you're bringing Mike McCarthy back. What does that say about what are you going to do with Ann Rogers? Is he staying?

Is he going to retire? What he's going to do? And then what are you going to do if Aaron Rogers is not there? What resources are you going to put into getting him, getting Mike McCarthy a quarterback? And if you go and put a lot of resources with it in and get him a good quarterback, then you're going to have dudes like Kim, I'm saying, oh, oh, you ain't get the brother a quarterback, but you get the white mic a quarterback, you know what I'm saying? So it puts the roomies now in a tough situation.

You know, that's where I'm thinking from it. I understand because look at it in Atlanta, too. Rahim Morris, no, you went Stefansky. You got so much office of talent in Atlanta, young office of talent, A young quarterback like a coach like Sanfiski can bring that young talent out. So making that change, I certainly understand. Over here, because Aaron Rogers is there, because the lack of resources that you given at the quarterback position of Mike Tomlin, now what are you going to do with Mike McCarthy? Makes it a very interesting source.

But I like that they were in offense, even if they're going to go try to find a quarterback, rather have been offense. who die bringing the young quarterback along. Yeah, I think it's more about what Statt thinks about this. But when it comes to Mike McCarthy, I think is a hell of a pick when you think of him being born and raised there and finally getting, being able to go back home and coach the team, I think that comes with some promise. I think if there was ever a place he wanted to win, he will want to win in a place that he comes from.

So I think that's a phenomenal fit in that capacity. But I think it's also good because when you won a championship against the team, that team got to put some respect on your name. I don't think they get to deal with you in the way that they deal with other people because you know I know what I'm doing. And also I think, but this only works if they allow him, if I could use one of Cam's term, to pick his groceries. If he's not able to pick his groceries,

then he's not going to be able to cook there. So I hope, you know, distillos organization, Papa Stat, status here. I hope you guys are going to let them pick the talent because if they don't let them pick the talent, it's going to be similar to the Cowboys. I hate to put you in it, Mike, but you just caught us straight

because we're just thinking about if you put Mike McCarthy out there, it'll be no different than the Cowboys. great coach, but he don't have the personnel. And I think that's what you were speaking to when you just spoke. So congrats to the Steelers Nation. And hopefully they let him buy his groceries. Okay, Cam.

You know, Mike, what makes Mike McCarthy a good coach? I'm just asking. Mike McCartney's a Super Bowl winning coach. And he's had some success. He had a lot of winning seasons. And here's what I always said on, Kim. I say, did you win with what you do coaching-wise? Most of the time, he was winning with offense.

You see what I mean? So if you win with what you do coaching-wise, then, okay, you can build a good coach. If you're winning, like, say you're an offensive coach, but your offense stinks and you're winning with defense, then I got to ponder your coaching, you see. But he has won, and he has won via his offense. He had a great offense in Green Bay, the offense that beat.

You were talking about the O'Nive Super Bowl. They won against the Steelers when he was coaching the Packers. They won that game. They played that game in Dallas for that Super Bowl. You know what I mean? So, yeah. And that's a great point you brought up about him knowing the city, him being from there.

I'm sure he sold that. I'm sure he sold that to the Rooney's and to all of them about, Hey, you know, I'm from here. Yeah. We want to bring that tradition back. Right, right. I'm from here.

I'm a steel guy myself, a still male guy, that kind of stuff. And they needed offense. They've been going around in this circle trying to find an offense for a long time. So Mike McCarthy can help you with that. Mike McCarthy ain't shit. Niggas trash. That nigga, you got Brett Faw.

And you got a prime time Aaron Rogers his whole career, and you want one Super Bowl. Go to Cowboys, sneak it up. You got a good, you know, you 600 career-wise. But you coached the prime time Aaron Rogers the whole time. And with him and DeWante Adams. You got one Super Bowl. Jerry ain't like him. I don't like him.

Jerry got rid of him. Mike, why don't you get rid of him? Mike is separated from the cowboys today. No, but Jim, bring up a good point now. Mike McCartson, hold on with the head of the quarterbacks. You bring up a board, Jim. That's all of you. He's always, like, most, Mike's time that ain't anywhere near them kind of

quarterbacks that you're talking about. Mike McCarthy is there between Brett and Rodden and that, and you still only got one Super Bowl. That's a valid point. Yeah, and I think more or less, the Steelers want to have a recognizable name. To me, that's what it sounds like, because his name is synonymous. It ain't like you don't know when you bring up here in the Super

and, pardon me, football. You know who Mike McCarthy is, and he isn't terrible, but is he great? See, to me, and I'm not saying, oh, the coaches can't get it done. You could, but you got to me, you know, you think about even though, you think about Sharma Vay, he's not even 40. You know what I'm saying? To me, you have somebody closer these days. I'm talking about these days, not in the 90s, 80s, or even the early 2000s that can relate to these type of players.

You know, what you told us the other day was genius, even though it was when you was playing and you was younger. But coaches got to understand. You know, Mike, you wasn't here, mate. I asked Mike, you know, Mike, I asked Mike when he was talking about the Super Bowl, and I said, who you pick? And he said, well, it depends on Super Bowl week, who I see. out partying and who I don't see out partying. I put my exes in check. I said, well, Mike, when you play,

did Jimmy Johnson let y'all go out? And he said, see, Jimmy Johnson understood it. Sunday through Monday, leave the wives and that kids at home. Wednesday through Saturday. Let's get serious. And I forget what coach I've seen. I forget the beginning of season, he said he's going to give his players during practice,

20 minute breaks to be on their phone. because you have to know how to relate. I don't know if Mike McCarthy is going to be able to relate to a 1921, I'm pardon me, a 21, 22, 23, 24-year-old. Not saying he can, but to me, you just got the football name. I won one Super Bowl with a prime time Aaron Rogers, one year with Brett Fall. He got Dak Prescott, even though I know Dak was hurt one. I'm not really impressed.

I'm not a big Mike McCarthy film. For all that, go find out what Bill Paul Sells is doing. I'd rather build parcels. Yeah. Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts because it's like, I don't know, people are like, oh, he's from Pittsburgh and like he did this and that. But it's just like, I literally cannot even tell you what we gain. Like, this hiring, it's like, I'm not even trying to be funny.

Like, it's just frustrating. And it's like, I know these are the things that you're going to quote me now, look at me later in the season and be like, well, stat, you said this, but it's like, You don't even know what you get. Who does this appeal to to me besides potentially bringing back Aaron Rogers? And it's like even with that, I just don't understand the concept of like holding on to the past. Like we're going off like, okay, yes, he has a Super Bowl with Aaron Rogers. He hasn't coached the Packers since 2018.

And it's like, what are you expecting now, especially given what? But no offense, Mike, what we've seen what he did with the Cowboys. Like, our main issue here is making sure that we fix the problems that we've had in the postseason. Like, we're not winning in the postseason. His playoff record when he coached to Cowboys was one and three. So it's like, what does that solve? And it's like, I understand. You're really, um, pitched off about it.

I don't really have words. Like, it's just like, let, you know, let up finish. Go ahead. It's like I literally don't have words because I like I'm not even trying to be funny when I say I don't understand what this fixes like it's like a placeholder. If you want a win now mentality, I get that because you're like, well, right now we have Aaron Rogers and then this is a coach that Aaron Rogers like. But we're not seeing much changes to teams when we're doing everything that Aaron Rogers likes also. Like we seen it previously. That didn't really cut out at all how it was supposed to.

So now we're doing it for our organization. When we're an organization that doesn't even really move like that to begin with, we're known for picking younger coaches and building. And I understand trying to attempt something different just to see and like breaking that streak to see if it causes a different outcome. But at what cost, like potentially another losing season to temporarily work with Aaron Rogers, who we know is going to throw towel in the bin at some point because it's like he's not going to play forever.

So I just don't, I don't understand this move. I don't get it. Like, they could have waited longer to make, at least to me, a better decision because we're even seeing like how Mike McCarthy at this point, he like took the offensive coordinator position. Now he's considering, and I'm not saying I wanted him. I met Mike McDaniels. I'm not saying I wanted him as our coach, but I think that we could have taken more time.

So to me, it kind of looks like something was already slick set up, because you're saying you're going to interview all these people and then like, oh, yeah, like, we've made our official decision. I'm like, when did that even have the potential to happen? Like, this just happened. So yes, I'm frustrated about it. Do I think it fixes anything? No.

Now, prove me wrong. I would love that. That would be great. We'd love to see a different outcome, but I don't think it's going to do anything, except literally be a placeholder until they figure out something to rebuild. This is what I was saying. That's why I said, let her finish y'all. Because this is the age group that's pissed off.

You get what I'm saying? This is what I'm saying. They don't even respect them, Mike, 24-year-olds. They don't give a fuck about what Mike did. She's 23, 24-year-old. She doesn't care of Steelers. They don't care. They're not going to care what you did with Aaron Rogers.

And secondly, it ain't like Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy relationship ended on a good note. Aaron Rogers actually said that nigga had a little football. but he denied it late act like he didn't say it but they and they like that's part of reason an rod just left he wasn't fucking with the nigger mike mickey so i don't know sorry stat all i know is that all i know is that's that you sound exactly like that sounded when we hired them for the dallas cowboys i said exactly because you you really wanted somebody's flashed or somebody that has a nook for something you know

like the Calhian and the Sean McVeigh, the great offensive minds and everything like that. And you got, you know, down the middle, solid. Yeah. Yeah, you could have interviewed Andy Reed, you know. Somebody you know, know how to coach. It's just seeing where Mike stands, that's not funny. Andy Reid ain't going over there.

Fuck, I'm leaving Patrick Mahomes to go to Pittsburgh for. Not, I can't get about Andy Reed. Well, speaking of Andy Reed and the Chiefs, you know, they have a new hire. They officially hired Eric Vienemy as their offensive coordinator. We know he previously served as the Chiefs OC from 2018 to 2020. Mike, do you think that this hire is enough to bring the Chiefs back or do they have other issues that they need to solve? I think this hire is great for Eric B. Enemy. You know, we're getting back in the fold.

I think it's great for all the older guys, Travis Kelsey. and all those guys, but I think it also says, nigger, they are dead. You hear what I'm saying. Whenever you start reaching back, put all that old glory like this, it means you can't find new glory right now. And you start saying, oh, well, maybe you'd have missed you.

No, it's over. Because even the new guys that you're going and now introduce to Eric B.an and me, they don't, They weren't there when they were growing that thing, you know, when they were building up that dynasty. So, so Eric being in me, I don't know you guys going on, but he's a great dude, great friend. He coaches hard. He coaches everybody hard. He's a great coach, and he, he coach Adrian Peterson hard.

You know what I mean? And everybody took that. That's how he is. And it worked well in Kansas City because that's how he is. But these new kids now. I would be interested to see if he can turn this into something in Kansas City going back doing the old things he used to do with this new group coming in that don't have connectivity to those great days where you won the Super Bowl that don't say, oh, I know this works for show. Most of them will say, this don't work with me. Oh, no, you got to talk me differently.

You got to have me differently. So it'll be interesting to see how it works out. Mace, I know you wish I had something better for you, but that's all isn't it? That's all it is. No, I'm actually gonna agree with you on this. Actually, you know, since you're telling the truth today, I figure I join you, right?

You know, you're not trolling me, I'm not trolling you. And Cam is doing a good job in telling the truth today. I'm quite surprised. That is telling the truth also. But what I would say is this. I think exactly what you said is going to be the problem. When you reach back, right, and you bring somebody that can relate to Travis Kelsey, they can relate to some of the people that was there doing the championship runs.

It almost, in some ways, it could alienate the newer people because they may feel like I wasn't a part of that. and if that worked, why did y'all go away from it? You know, young people's mind think a little different. It's like, okay, if it was so good, why you leave, nigga? Why is you, it didn't work that much. You know, when things get hard, these are the thoughts that go through Wyand's mind.

Like, listen, don't sell me on the old glory because if the old glory was that, you would have still been there. What are you talking about? This would have still been that way, so now you're getting Travis Kemp's. Kelsey, who's gonna feel better? But I think the tides switch, man, we're not on,

we're not on Taylor Swift. We're on, we're on Diggs and Cardi B now. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. That's the Super Bowl to this job. Yeah, it came back hood, you know. We don't want that no more. I think, look, I think it was five weeks ago, six weeks ago, Mike, we was talking.

And I said, nobody know where to fuck Eric Band of me is at. You said, I know where he had. I said, you're the only nigger in America know where that nigger had. A nigga missing. He was coaching in junior high school, you told me some dumb-ass shit. Nicky said, he's coaching a girl soccer team, you told me like five weeks ago, in Wichita, Kansas. I said, nobody know where this nigga had, man.

So I don't know the dynamics and maybe y'all know more. to me, but y'all keep talking about Kansas City reaching back, reaching back. You don't know if you opened up your door to enemy on your doorstep saying, please take me. They might have got them for $2 for a dollar. They might have caught him for cheap. I don't think this is necessarily Kansas City saying, yo, let's go back and find them. I think it's a mutual decision because Eric Brandami wanted to leave to go to the commander.

It ain't like they kicked him out the door. He was feeling itself. He left and then he went missing. I know we was coaching stuff from Michael Irving, insider, who had that information. So I think this is great because Kansas City's offenses and offenses dipped since he's left. But the same time, you got to realize, you know, Andy Reid looks good, Eric Bannoni looked good, Patrick Boney looked good, Patrick Holmes looked good, Travis Kelsey looked good. But even though they won after them, you have to realize some of them championships or championship runs or at least playoff runs, definitely is because of Tariq Hill. You have to realize you're not getting with 13 seconds and field goal range off your own

10-yard line without Tyreek Hill when there's playing against Buffalo. And they're not going to find a Tyreek Hill on every team. You know, we see him suffering now because him and Tua don't have to relate our relationship or chemistry that him and Patrick Mahomes had. But to me, I'm not putting this on Kansas City, just reaching back, looking for Agbett. I think Iq. brand him he might have been their doorsteps there you know we have some good times man now will it work i think mason's point is good some niggas may not respect it some niggas may want to learn a triangle offense when you got when you got to when you got to phil jackson you know phil jackson works for chicago he doesn't work for new york when he comes to new york city but he works when he

goes to the lakers it's about the team you have it how much they're willing to buy in to what you going on. Yeah, I mean, I'm just keeping it real. Because like, you know, I like you said, killer, young people are not going for that, especially if you won and then you went somewhere else filling yourself. And then you just got fired from UCLA. So I don't know how to put much stock in it, but I ain't going to kick a black man why he down. Let them get paid. But he just got fired from UCLA, 2024. Okay. Well, We talk about getting paid. Somebody else might get paid in a different position this time.

So Philip Rivers was interviewed by the bills and is under serious consideration for their head coaching position. But he's never coached at the collegiate or professional level. So Mike, how do you feel about just Philip Rivers turnaround as a whole? And then if you're making decisions for the organization, what do you think is the appeal here? Because he's had a year. I can't even say this year, last year, too. I'm trying to have a Philip Rivers year. Right, right.

But this goes back to what we're talking about in no special areas, okay? Now they're trying to find, because McDermott was a defensive coach. They're trying to find that person, they can give Josh the help he needs to get him over that hump and get this team to a Super Bowl. So they reach back in and who understands quarterbacks better than quarterbacks, you know. But I thought even last year with the coach and who they was the dude name they gave, the head coaching job that had never coached before a head coaching job and, you know, that last half a year and it didn't work.

It's so much stress impression. I've already talked to you guys about it when you're the head coach of an NFL team. You know, I just see, boy, that's a, it's, it's, that's, Everything. You got to do everything. You're not functioning your son's team anymore. You got all of these other responsibilities and every decision is amplified and because of the press and everything to just throw somebody in that position and say that they're ready. And they never did it at that level.

It's something that's hard for me to fathom it. It's hard for me to fathom it. But you know, trying to give you. these guys an opportunity. I just, it's all for me to file the Phillip Rivers, being the head coach of the NFL football team right now. Yeah, they just said a few weeks ago that he was returning home to coach, what was that, Mount St. Michael or some high school.

And, and I guess, yeah, on his way there, he just, they called them. So he had to go. I mean, what, what do you want him to? to do it if I'm on my way killer the coach rice and the Knicks call me am I supposed to go to rice or do I go to the New York Knicks yeah I want to know for you because you might not go to the Knicks are you going to me yeah I'm going wherever the best financial opportunity is you know let's think about this right just real quick I'm

know it's your take but I'm just giving an example the Lakers want to The Lakers didn't have a coach. Bobby Hurley for Connecticut and just won a championship. Or is it Danny Hurley? One of them Hurley. Yeah, Danny Hurley. Danny Hurley, just won a championship. The Lakers won them.

They made them an awful, which was more than he was getting in Connecticut. He threw over there to have the meeting. All of a sudden, Connecticut found more money than the Lakers had, where he probably wanted to stay anyway with Connecticut, because the pressure of coaching the Lakers is tremendous. You'll be like Barack. When you start the job, you got black hair before you've done. It's all gray hair when you finish.

So to me, it's about financially the best opportunity. And head coaching jobs don't come around that often. So me, I would take the job 100%. I get what you're saying. But it's not about Phillip Rivers. It's about the Buffalo Bills as an organization. Philadelphia, this is a no-brainer. This is Buffalo. What are you doing?

That's what I think. But I'll give my take more. Yeah, I'll accept because, like you said, it's guaranteed he got to go get this job. And I think it speaks to, I think it speaks to where the National Football League is. It is in need of Paul's just new blood. These these schemes are coming to an end. We're at the end of an era.

I really believe when it comes. come to coaches and they're just trying to find the next couple of coaches. We saw this in Miami, right? We saw other coaches being added and different people going in different directions. It's just that time. And I think if they wait longer than this, like killer said, are we bringing back Bill Parcell? Are we bringing back, what's the, Dungey, right? Is this where we going?

Because that's what these coaches are starting to feel like to me. It's time for new blood. I know Philip Rivers might not be everybody's cup of tea, but it's time to start going in that direction. I don't know. I'm really confused and talking about this because, you know, what Mason, I agree with Mason. Look, for me, it's financial decision going to make way more money

as an NFL coach than you are coaching your high school team. But do you have coaching experience at that level? You know, and I revert back to the NBA. We'll see a first time coach like Steve Kerr walk into the perfect situation. Mark Jackson laid that thing out for you and you walked into the perfect situation and you have success because it's already laid out. But then you have somebody like Steve Nash who never coached in the NBA and you got Kevin Durant, you got Kyrie Irvin and eventually James Hard, even though they didn't play a lot of games together, but you can't pull it off. You're not a coach. Just like podcasting, right? You can sit here and like dead ass like podcast and Mike Irvin you got this shit damn pat

motherfucker fucking OJ he had that shit down pat God bless that just because you are a player before or analysts before or something before that'll mean you now to get on this motherfucking TV and talk it's a difference we know you could score 35 we know you could grab three receptions and two touchdowns can you come and explain yourself on this shit or breakdown plays and so forth. I think to me, even, you know, just period, right?

I think Tony Romo was a decent quarterback, better than decent. I thought he was really good. I thought Tony Romo was good. But I don't think he better quarterback than the way he analyzed these motherfucking games I'll be watching. Because when I watch these motherfucking games, Tony Romo calls the fucking play before it happens 96% of time. And I'm like, why the fuck, you couldn't read this on the field? You're reading everything.

Like he like Tom Brady, I know he's a little new and analyzing, but he got shit on Tony Romo. That nigga Tony Romo drew them little circles on the screen, like they're gonna go this way. And I'm like, they really did that shit. Some people are better, a good at one thing, that don't mean that they're good at something else. You could be a box and a great boxer.

That would mean you a good boxing trainer. So I don't know. Philip River, you know what I'm saying? Same thing like right now. You can see it, right? And I'm not gonna use basketball more and I'm using football. You can see it right now.

JJ Reddick and LeBron had a podcast before JJ Reddick started coaching the Lakers, right? And JJ Reddick seems like a real intense coach, but he can't say nothing to LeBron. You can see the frustration with him with LeBron sometime. LeBron be off talking to up and niggas in the huddle in Phoenix. He'd just be looking like,

and Brom like, what, nigga? I bust your ass. I got you the job, nigga. I got you. Not only I got you the job, don't act like, I got you the job. Not only I got your job, I used to kill you when you was playing. We played against each other for about seven, eight years, nine years. Don't tell me nothing, bro.

I don't want to hear that. That's just, you got to think about this because not only did give him the job, LeBron been playing for 23 years. He played against JJ Reddick a lot. So sometimes about IQ two. And the last thing I'll say is this about Philip. Rivers I just know me and Mason I always revert back to us that I know we're not even this generation if a coach let's just say a coach is coaching us that was pretty good didn't win

at all and he's easy he was all don't tell me how to win you didn't win you know that's my too and not only not only that don't tell me about getting this far because you haven't got as far as I got. I think that was Patrick, I think that was Aaron Rogers' paring with LaFleur. LaFleur, you know, new coach there and Stam and third. And he's like, yo, yo, do this this way, do this way. Man, man, right? Like, how the fuck you're going to tell me I don't want to chip?

You're younger than me? You ain't know what I want a chip. Nick, I'm going to do it like this. Yeah. I think it's about if Josh Allen is going to respect Phil of Rove. He looked like respectful young man, but. I just know me sometimes like, yo, you didn't coach all play touch yet. I don't know why I should be listening.

Why are you here? Who brought you here? But you can't. Now, you use basketball and that was, it was grapple in this, in the situation because, because in basketball, there's only a few that you have to make sure that you have that connectivity to in basketball. And, and, you know what I mean? all those examples. And if you got the best two or three players

basketball on your team, you're good. Football is a whole different thing. You got, you got, you got to win over the Negroes on defense, too. You see what I mean? You can't just win over the quarterback. You got to win over the dudes on defense and everything. And even to that link of stuff that you just talking about, you're starting to hear things seep out now

that would indicate there is a problem, even between those two days. you just talked about because they know they're looking at the bra like okay you ain't got all the power no more loop for the real man and you go you know what I'm saying you're starting to hear about what has happened to the relationships stuff like that it'd be interesting watching the labels and all that all year long you know what you know just real quick to respond to you saying yeah I know coaching the football team's a whole new and a whole different animal because

you got three phases of football 503 niggas that you'll be responsible for. But I'm saying the reason I brought that point up because you're like, he's a quarterback, Josh Allen's a quarterback. Same thing like we brought up a couple weeks ago. It's the same thing we brought up a couple weeks ago and we're like

yo, why are we not getting the best out of Justin Herbert if Jim Harbaugh is a quarterback? This is what I'm saying. So I'm not disagreeing. Like saying it's not coaching a whole different animal when you're coaching football. But the reason you may be bringing them in overall is because you could work

with Josh Allen. I'm asking you, because Phila Reese Rivers is good. I'm just asked the last question, Mike. Who you think is better, even though we know we got a long way to go. Philo River is a Josh Allen as a quarterback. Josh Allen, because of the other things that Josh does, Phil of Rivers had a great arm of delivery, but Philo Rivers couldn't say let's run. Let's run. Couldn't say run at all. You know, but Josh Allen, you're the dual threat quarterback, you know, so. And he got an arm, he got a cannon. So don't tell me what to do, Philan Rivers.

But Philan Rivers can teach you help him play from the pocket better because he was forced to play from the pocket. See, Josh, when he sees crashing around him, he's out of him. Philip Rivers, he's crashing around him. He gets rid of the ball. Josh now can learn how to get rid of the ball and not always have to get out of there. That's the added thing that the Phillip Rivers can help him with. How far this is your stat, when you get a chance, because I want to ask Mike real question, look up how far Phillip Rivers has been in his playoff career.

I don't know. Back to the other thing. I want to ask you in a Lacey championship. He played against the Matrix in an AFC championship game. Remember? And then Lidani and Tunnelitz had hurt his knee in that game. and didn't play. But Philip Rivers was hurt and finished the game.

So he got to an AFC championship game as a player. What do you do? Yo, Mike, let me ask you a question. Hey, you too, Mason. Yo, back to the Lakers shit real quick, and the rumors and all this. I heard it, I've seen Jeannie bust now, because it seems like, like you said, LeBron's getting a little older. He's still out there busting ass.

But I've seen something with Jeannie Buss now that she's probably not the majority owner anymore saying a few things how she feels. She said she didn't feel LeBron James was humble or happy enough. I can't remember which words she used about them getting brought in. Like basically, he didn't sure enough gratitude. What do y'all think about that? I like them kind of comments. I ain't going to lie. I like when you hold niggins accountable.

I just do it. I think we're all better. You know, I think he should have been very grateful. That was not that Bronny shouldn't be in the league, but that was like a dream come true. When somebody make your dreams come true, you got to be humble about that. I don't say that out of no, you know, no Uncle Tom

and just real simple. That's a dream comes true. That's something we're never going to forget as long as we watch basketball in history. somebody was that great that they actually got to the place where their son could play on the same team. And then think about the stops they had to pull to make sure that this happened. I can see a person of power really want another person of power to show them some humility and some gratitude in that. I could definitely see that because you got to remember Boston had the pick.

Boston would have picked Brony. And I actually think he would have turned out better if Boston picked him. But so when it comes to that, it should be a lot of gratitude. And my only talk about that being his dream. LeBron talked about that being one of the most important things for him. You know, so if your organization,

you shared that with your organization, and they delivered that. And there should be some gratitude there. Now, let me go on the other side. Compare that to, because I know brothers start saying, oh, we're playing. Ain't he playing on the court for, they ain't doing it? Compare that to the other man that we always compare him to,

which is Michael George. Michael George couldn't get his, the team owner and that organization to even leave the championship team together for one more year and not get rid of coach that they wanted. Yeah. And he had delivered all. You see what I mean?

That's amazing for what they did. And yeah, LeBron should be, if he meant what he said when he said it was one of the most important things in his life, yeah, yeah. They made that dream come true. Something your money couldn't buy you, they may come true. Yeah, gratitude is deserved. And not to also. Appreciation is deserved.

discount there was a lot there was a few players that had to be waived and decisions had to be made about other people's careers that made this possible so there was a lot that went into this so I have thoughts so hold on let me yeah yeah I noticed that don't feel that but if that was her son that got drafted if your son was all-American if your son was was McDonald if your son was a lottery and he goes to the Lakers and this happened with your son you wouldn't have cared that it was LeBron well Mason's gonna say I got friends and I'm picking and choosing this time and third but I don't care what Mesa says because my thing is this we don't know what Jeannie Buss's definition of gratitude is what if he bought a car what if he gave her flowers what if he came everywhere he went and he couldn't show up for one thing And then she'd be like, see, niggas don't care

that we got his son on the team. What's gratitude? What didn't he do? I like that. I like that. I like that. What didn't he do? I don't wish your definition of gratitude, Jeannie,

but so I'm not doing that. You got to tell me he may have been 10 things he wanted him to do, and he did nine, so now he's not gracious enough. What's, I want to know, I would have been like, what exactly? Exactly is gratitude. That's a good point. Yeah, because this is the shit, the tight line,

and then you throw a nigga on the bus. Now, now I can see if niggas was like, yo, get brawny, they get brawny, and then they're like, I get looking, I'll see you later, and don't speak the niggas. I don't know what the definition of gratitude is. Because now, if you do something for, yeah, because if you do something for me, you do something for me, and then,

And then I tell you thank you and I'll pay you with this and third. That's why I seriously, anytime somebody do something for me, this is no joke. Anytime somebody do something for me, I'll pay him. They'll be like, nah, killer, we get no, no, no, no, I stuffed the money in their pocket. Nope. Yeah. Nope, no, no, I paid you. Don't go around later talking about, you know, I helped the nigger move his furniture.

And then the nigger never, you know, he never gave a nigger nothing. Same thing, killer. Even with church people, they'd be like, no, the Lord told me to do it. I said, no, you take this and give it to the Lord then. Yeah, no, you're not going to say, you did something for me. That's it. I don't care what you do for me. You're going to take this 200.

You're going to take this $2,000. You're going to take this $50. I don't care. Depends on what the service is for. I always give a little price 25% more than what you deserve. I got a driver. I asked my driver, you know, how much What's this? $150? Take 225.

You won't say you did none for me. So that was my point on. That's why I want to know you guys' opinion. Okay, let me put another question out there. Let's say they got Bronny on the team. LeBron and asked for him to be on the team. And then he tells Jenny Bus, thank you. And then he comes back the next day and say,

can you let JJ Reddick coach too? you'd be like I gotta think about it and he says well if not I might be out of here is that ungrateful would that be considered ungrateful just so I get your temperature of ungrateful would that be ungrateful see my thing is this this is what I say because they had the podcast JJ Reddick was a last resort they was going to hire danny hurley then it was a never thinking they're going to hire they both turn the job Damn. So then Brum, if now Brom come in the nigger like, yo, come on now, yeah. Now we're getting embarrassing as an organization.

We got niggas going back to college. This other nigger didn't even want the job, my nigga. So let's get JJ now. It ain't like Brown walked in there and was like, yo, JJ or else. Because they wasn't going to hire JJ. He was literally, or, um, not audition, interview for the job. They said, see you later and they picked two other niggas and other two niggas came back then they went back to JJ.

Jay J.J just didn't have another opportunity. It was like a bit, it was like a nigga telling the chick, yo, I don't want to fuck with you. And then after his other two bitches dump him, he go back like, come on, come here big hey, you know I was just playing, cut it out. That's how that went. Yeah, I just want to add really quick. First of all, the Jenny Bus situation is confusing because they did say that that was

like a private conversation. So it's not like she was public. telling people that, which is like obviously she wouldn't have. But considering that we're talking about LeBron James, who is considered one of the best players in the world across all any sports, I just feel like he can kind of do what he want to do. I don't think it needs to be much. And I know people are going to feel some type of way about Ronnie or whatever you may

think. It's like you're working with a rare player that other teams would do anything for. And so back to Cannes point, as far as like, he's not grateful, like, what is he supposed to do to show that he is great? Like, I don't understand what the expectation would be, especially when you were part of the decision of choosing Bronny. So I feel like you can't have an expectation for how you expect people to-

Who is so part of choosing Bronny? Like Jeannie Bus. I'm saying that's an organization choice. So I just feel like, I feel like there are discussions that was like, do we do this for LeBron James? And I feel like everybody is part of that decision. So I feel like considering what happened, you're throwing me off when you do that. I feel like considering what happened,

I don't think that this is one of those cases where you're just like, oh, LeBron's ungrateful and we shouldn't have done this or this shouldn't have been, like it's already done. So you can't have an expectation for how he's supposed to respond for what was done. Like at the end of the day, you wanna say it's part of an epitism or not,

I think it is. And I don't really think that's a problem, honestly. See, see the thing is, this man I know Mace might have jumped on this before I jumped on it but let me say it real quick see and Mike knows this too and stat you just a little young and there's no slight than young as nothing being young and no no dis and not today the Lakers is known for having a superstar all the time and LeBron ain't no lifelong Laker it ain't like you know listen the Lakers started with

Magic Johnson and Jeannie Buss is the same age as Magic Johnson to where she's seen how this whole shit grew with her father. So you got Magic Johnson. You got Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You get what I'm saying? Then you go get Shaquille O'Neal and you get Kobe Bryant. Then you get Kobe Brian and Paa Gisar. This is Showtime.

They invented Showtime. This is an organization. And like I said, LeBron is a key grip, get grabbed. I'm not saying you're wrong or whatever. But this organization Benlit. That's why they're at Showtime Lakers. You know what I'm saying? And he's not like he's a lifelong later.

Yeah, I'm saying. I think it's a great point, killer. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, niggins, so I'm not saying she should have said that, but you gotta realize what she seemed. Like Mace was on the show one time. And I always, I'm not saying I think like he thinks, but he pointed it out one day he was mad on one of his rents.

He's like, don't tell me about Summer Walker and I see Janet Jackson. Don't tell me about this person and I've seen Michael Jackson. Yeah, for real. Don't you get what I'm saying? Like, so when you don't see it, yeah, sometimes if you don't see it, like Stan, you just don't know because you're not old enough, like I said.

But the lake has been late, like, Finn, we played, Mace played for a team before I played for them. When we was played at Superbitties, we had to be 11 to 12. They came out with the yellow headbands, the purple and yellow bull. They was the purple gills. Cause of the Lakers. Young life.

Like, it was a big deal. And sometimes when you don't see, you don't know, it's like when older people tell me about Bill Russell, I'm like, I know I get it. I missed the whole Bill Russell, you know, Will Chamberlain thing. But if I've seen it, I can't act like I can't see it. The Lakers always has, was lit. Yeah, and the last two, the last two people they had,

like LeBron won five championships. So you got to keep that in mind, in mind when you start talking about, should he be grateful? According to that, yeah, the last two superstars they had, one five. But you guys, you guys are talking about something that I think needs to be illuminated.

What, Cam, you talked about it, she's seeing those relationships. Here it, Bus and Magic was so close. You know what I mean? She's seen those relationships. those relationships, and that's what she was a hearing, probably a hearing too. Like I know how magic how loyal he was to my dad.

I know what COVID was. I know, you know, so I was expecting this to be in the same area. And LeBron, like you said, LeBron ain't no life for him. He's a higher killer. And when he stopped killing him, he don't kill you. He's a higher killer. That's what he is. So I think she wanted a more long killer.

a more lifer, like, return than a higher killer return. That's where that breaks up. Yeah, she's definitely thinking, I mean, all of us knows this. Whether we talk about stat in her youth or a killer or Mike Irvin or myself, we all know what it's like when you've gotten more for less. And then you meet somebody who wants you to do more for less. That's always a problem if I've been getting more for less It's hard to give you more and you're giving me less

When I've got more for less That's just crazy That's just the best way to put it You got one young lady she does everything She doesn't require much You get another young lady She wants everything and she doesn't do much She's a problem

She got to go She got to go I don't even have to ask y'all I know everybody on the staff agree. Everybody on the team agrees. Do you agree with that staff? A guy that does, he doesn't do, he doesn't do as much as the guys you had before, but he wants more.

That's going to be a problem for anybody. Well, I'm not accused. I'm not accusing LeBron because we don't know what he did. Yeah, we're not accusing him. We're definitely not. We're just going with the, um, the topic. The topic. of discussion.

Yeah, there you go. There you go. Also, same on both ends because this is like a private conversation so we don't even know fully. You know, so. And then no protection of Jeannie Bus, just the concept.

If you got somebody doing more for less, it's hard to take on a new person and they're acting like they're ungrateful for everything. It's not going to end well. Okay. All I know is LeBron James got that bad for him and his kid.

And same way with Philip Rivers trying to get this head clip in position. And shout out to LeBron. You can figure it out. He pulled off the biggest thing we've ever seen in basketball. The man is playing with his son. I think that's just commendable on all levels. So we're just having a discussion about the topic.

For sure. Me too. Okay, y'all, that is all the time that we have for today. Mike, you know it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Always great. Mike, he went across. Mike, I like when you're telling the truth. I'm gonna keep aware of it, brooks, don't worry.

I had my brother, one of my boys over here the other day time, man, take the cross off, man, they stand for you. I said, man, don't bring me that nigga stuff. Don't bring, don't, don't, leave them. You know what I'm said, don't brain me that stuff, man. I don't want to hear. I'm gonna keep you represent. I appreciate that, Mace.

Y'all keep cool and stay cool. All right. We'll see y'all next week. Of course. See ya. All right, bro. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.