IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE RAVENS ARE LOVABLE LOSERS & ARE THE CHARGERS FOR REAL THIS YEAR! | S7 EP16

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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including Georgia, Texas, and Missouri. I'm Judge Wilson, a.k.a. Stat baby, along with your host, Mace. Cam will be back, and today we are joined with our analysts, Arabia. Arabia, what's going on? Doing very well. Thank you. Primero, I want to say, Felizabeth of the herencia Hispanic. Every year of 15th of September,

at 15th of October, is the month of the herencia Hispanic. I want to recognize that the audencia, See, mommy. Yes, happy. Grazzias, Gras, baby. Mace, what she said.

Listen, listen. When we're talking like this, it's not Mace, it's zigzadi. Okay. Okay. Get my name right. Oh, my God. Get his name right.

Okay, Twain. That was funny. I must say I made myself laugh. So what's you say? If you say my name, then I'll answer it. I guess we'll never know. I'm glad to have you on the show. Before we get started, I would love for you to talk a little bit about your show so the viewers can know what you got going on. Yes. This week is actually really exciting. We're doing AFC versus

versus NFC, which is the better conference? And we're gonna break it down every day. So today on Tuesday at 4 p.m., we have an episode coming out with Matthew Judon and two very special guests about which conference has had the better rookies over the last few years and which conference has the better coaches. And then tomorrow with Champ Bailey,

we're saying which conference has the better skill positions. And then Thursday, which conference has the better trenches, offensive line and defensive line. Really interesting conversation. I can't wait for you guys to see it. But yeah, that's what's happening this week on All 32. And you didn't invite the expert to that kind of finale. What is going on here?

I like Champ Belly. I want to support, but you didn't ask the expert of all experts. You hear this start how they treat the anxiety. I don't know what I was thinking. I should have invited the expert. Maybe you can do the culmination at the end. Yeah. know which conference is better based on our arguments like you'll be the judge oh okay i'll go

with that i'll settle for that twin that's twin it's a bad thing or is that a good thing because everybody's twin is something different uh i think whenever people are using twin they're trying to connect their names with yours or they're trying to connect their beauty with yours like it's always somebody not as good looking saying twin to you twin you you ain't you ain't wrong with that You can't call me twin. Oh, yeah, I'm feeling it today, pause. This is good. And we learned something new.

So somebody calls you twin. Yeah, they're basically trying to put you with them. Yeah. Good to know because day. Okay. So let's start with his Monday night football game. So the Lions beat the Ravens 38 to 30. Arabia.

What are the biggest takeaways you got from each team in this? this game. Oh, man, the Ravens are some elite losers. They play at a very high level. And then when it comes to these big moments, they fumble the bag. And speaking of fumbling, Derek Henry is the only running back in the NFL who has one fumble in each of the first three games. And speaking of the running backs, the Lions had a total 224 rushing yards. The Ravens, 85, 35 for the Lamar Jackson and 50 for Derek Henry. The Detroit Lions kept their quarterback clean. That offensive line gave up no sacks.

On the other hand, the offensive line for Baltimore, seven sacks for Lamar Jackson. If the Ravens want to rise and be the cream of the crop and make it to the promised land in the Super Bowl and make it past Josh Allen and the bills, they have to rise to the occasion in these bigger moments against good teams because so far this season, loss to the bills week one. Last week, they dominated a bad team, good defense. but a bad overall team. And this week, once again,

that narrative is starting to become they can't rise to the occasion. So the Ravens got to clean it up. This is a hard thing for me to share right now because when it comes to Baltimore, I love Baltimore. I love this city. But you hit it right on the head.

Pause. You said they're elite losers. They get right to the end and forget their identity almost. When you see Derek Henry running through, you just let somebody, just smack the ball out of your hand, punch the ball,

paws out of your arms. What's the use of doing all those curls? What's the use of all of these tour days? All it takes is some skinny guy to just punch the ball out of your hands. And when I'm looking at this team, right, the offense is right there. We know to be a championship team.

You got to shoot somewhere in 32 to 34. So you're right. They're getting right there, but they're not reaching that Super Bowl level. and I this is this is like mind-blowing for me to look at even when you think of Detroit you think Detroit this is the game they're supposed to like fall apart but you see me wearing the Detroit colors you see the gray you see the blues stat we're rep in Detroit today and Montgomery Montgomery was the difference maker for me he was just he was just having his way he was doing the dance what's that dance cause that he was just that or like that That or like that It was one of them He was going crazy

What's the name of the dance Because that's not take me through that Yeah Shout out the Metro He just definitely take me through there It was crazy It was like he was partying Why he was running the ball

To the touchdown It was You can't let somebody play like that With you and didn't think you're an elite team He's actually playing with them Pause. So a question for both of y'all, does this change how you view, does this specific game change how you view the Ravens or do you just feel like, you know, some games you're going

to lose, they'll be fine after this, or does this kind of give you holes that make you feel like, okay, maybe they're not what I thought, Arabia. No, for me, it doesn't change anything because I had them losing this game for this very reason. I've always, well, for the past couple seasons, I've thought of the Ravens as a team that can be really good in the regular season. Sometimes they dominate. But for the most part, when it comes to these.

bigger moments. It's almost like the moment is bigger than them and they can't rise to the occasion. So it doesn't change anything for me because this is exactly what I thought was going to happen. This is exactly how I view the Ravens. And for the Lions, no, it doesn't change anything. Week one, they had a bad loss, but it really wasn't a bad loss in hindsight because it's to someone in their division. They're probably going to be competing for that first and second spot in the division, depending on what the Vikings do. But it doesn't change anything for me. This is who I thought they were. And who is that? Who is that that you thought they were actually some elite losers yeah i thought the ravens are like a team that just

really can be perennial contenders in the playoffs but really like when it comes to a conference championship game or a team a game against a really good team they don't really do anything they don't rise to the occasion like you said they don't fit their identity in these big games they try to get cute there was a series where they just kept throwing the ball throw on the ball throw on the ball and didn't even try anything on the ground. So, you know, this doesn't change anything for me. I'm really taking back pause by the guys that just wear the braze and look tough, but be weak when the moment is really there.

I really wish people would just go back to a clean cut look. If they're not going to be tough guys when it count, that's really what I look at when I think of this. Because when I think of guys with braids and rugged hairdoos, they should really play a little bit. bit tougher than this. What do you think, Statt? I don't equate, like, brazen and rugged hair to like not being tough. I don't think, I don't know. I'm super just like, because I don't like when. Do you think S curls are tough or guys with

S curls and fades are tough? I mean, like curly hair. I don't, I don't care. I don't care What a hairstyle they got? If you tough, you tough. That's how I feel. Because I'm like, I don't think that makes you not tough just because you got curls because sometimes those be the ones. Okay. A new day.

It's a new day. But y'all always think I have a separate, like that might be my opinion. Arabia might think I ain't going for that. Yeah. What do you think? Yeah, I don't equate the hair. Like I understand what you're saying, Mace. Like, to some extent, like a hairstyle can give off a certain impression.

an impression if you have braids or you got a pick in your hair, whatever. But if you clean cut or not, whatever, just go play the game. How about that? But I do have a question for use that this loss, this Ravens loss. Does this change anything for you as a Steelers fan? Do you feel like the division is wide open? Do you feel like you can really get the Ravens and sweep them this year? Like how does this loss affect you as a Steelers fan?

I mean, wishful thinking is like, of course, this loss says it all. But at the same time, it's still the Lions. they're already a great caliber team. So for me, as a Steelers fan, we got to work with what we got because the fact that we even just barely beat the Patriots team and they outplayed us, that's showing me the holes that we have in our organization that we've been talking about for the longest. So for me, I'm like, yes, a Ravens loss. And like, hopefully, you know, on a biased part, they keep making mistakes to benefit me.

But at the same time, they're just a good team. So I can't be like, oh, because the Ravens lost this team, like, we're going up. because we still have a lot of other things that we need to figure out. And I'm hoping that we figure it out sooner than later because y'all already know how I felt about Aaron Rogers. That doesn't mean that I think he's a bad quarterback because he's not, but some of these things aren't fitting right with our team. And I'm seeing that in real time, and it's real frustrating.

But all I can do is look forward to the next game. Yeah, I really think when it comes to Lamar Jackson, this is the perfect example of what I'm saying. Like, sometimes you could have big numbers and you still are not doing what's necessary. for the team to win. Sometimes they need something different. Maybe it's a run game.

Maybe it's getting another play involved. When you think of this team, even with him having three touchdowns, right? He had way more yards than Jared golf, but it still doesn't equate to a win. And that's sad because normally the guy that gets the 250 at first normally wins the game. And this is not the case. And I do also want to say, like, it's, we. week three. I'm sorry. It's week three. Like, not to try to overreact or whatever, but we do still have a lot of football that needs to be played. The important part at this point in the season is to adjust. Adjusting in the middle of the season, whatever, like, games have already started is a marker between a good team and a great team. So if they can make adjustments now, then they'll still be in pretty good position. Yeah, but you don't want them to be a good team. I can hear the DMV beef in your voice. You don't, you don't want them to be a good team.

You have no wish of Baltimore being a good team. I really do want them to be a good team. Lamar Jackson has been one of my favorite players in the NFL. I like the Ravens organization. And it's on a totally different conference. Like, they could succeed and still not really affect us. So different conference, right up the beltway. I like my 95 brothers up north.

So, you know, whatever. She said they good over there. So a question for both of y'all, because I know we keep saying it's week three and then we joked prior about the oh and two teams and like this is the percentage that makes it to the Super Bowl and only three teams have done it. When do you feel like, okay, now it's time to worry, Arabia first?

I'm gonna say once we start getting into like week five, that's when it's like, okay, you're starting to go to no man's lane. Like if you haven't made adjustments by week five, then your team is in trouble and that has now become your identity. It'll just be hard or hard. Like they say kids. By the time a kid is like seven, it's like seven or eight it gets harder for them to really shake bad habits and to kind of control

their personality so i would say about week five seven years old you would say seven years old you're a mother so you would know yeah so my son is six so he hasn't reached that yet but my ex's mom had six kids and my son's dad's mom has 10 kids and they all say the same thing which is around seven or eight years old it becomes harder for a child to break out of really bad habits not impossible but that's what they say that's what the mother say that's that's pretty interesting because i have a doctorate and they normally tell you between seven and 12 years old a person's entire life is shaped in those years so that's a doctor in what stat i don't have time but i'm trying to help you out i'm trying to help the people out hey you can take what i'm saying if you think of any issue that a person

is looking at in their lives is normally with shape between the years of seven and 12 years old. That's why when you go to a counselor or a therapist, they always ask you about your childhood. You ever noticed that? And then they say, what would you say to the little you or the younger you? What would you say? See, that's something you would know. That's why I'm here. Statt, you got to let me work.

Oh, no, I do. I just was never Dr. Mace like I was never like on the radar but again like you say sometimes you don't know sometimes you don't know you don't know that's even harder when you don't know you don't know this is news to me y'all if Kim was here he would grill him more about Dr. Mase because I'm bring that back up because I don't even remember that can would be perfect if Ken was here right now And you think of his life or anybody's life And you think of the things they're dealing with right now

I almost can guarantee you You can bring that back to the years of seven Between seven and 12 years old That shaped the way they think Why they think the way they think Why you need the things you need Because that was either present or not present True, that's why he said y'all are resilient

Something that I need to learn about Because apparently I don't got that But it's okay Different walks of life Does that make sense to you, Arabia? I guess it's a certain extent. But now I have a question for you, Dr. Betha. What happened to you between the ages of 7 to 12

that leads you to, like, so many different teams and to just be on so many different fan rosters? Like, how did you get to that? That's actually really good. That makes sense because when I was young, I moved around a lot. Okay. That would make sense.

I moved from Jacksonville to the Harlem, then moved from downtown to uptown. Then I moved from 150th to 116th. So I got friends from all over. I got white friends. I got Chinese friends. I got Spanish friends. That's how I know Spanish, Piquito.

I've been around the world. This is it. That wasn't a song. That was actually my life. That's okay. I'm learning so much. Real quick, before you move on to the next part, So if you feel like you moved around a lot and that's obviously part of character development, if you could go back.

Yeah. Do you wish you were able to stay put in one place or you feel like that made you who you are? I think that made me like Bruce Lee. I'm like water. I could flow, you know. Any, through anything. Okay. As we ask these questions, and the audience knows I'd be trying to fish for more answers and questions because everybody wants me to ask you different things.

So we're getting a little questions out. Now, Axorabia is because she's the one that we need to be asking this to because, you know, she's beefing with D.C. on, I mean, not D.C., but Baltimore on the low. She's throwing a little shots here and there talking about her brothers up to 95. What happened to you? Okay. First of all, do not have the yoes and the 410s in my DMs talking about I'm beefing with them. I'm not beefing with nobody, okay? I actually lived in Baltimore for a long time.

Like the same place where, like, the wire was shot. I lived there. Like, right off North Avenue, Utah place, Washington Street. I was in there. So I have no beef with Baltimore. I love the yos and the 410s. So it's no beef. Okay.

We're not going to get into the seven, between seven and 12 years old. We'll say that for another show. But I was hearing it when she was speaking. I was hearing those years. You heard a tone change. Yeah, I heard the tone. So it lets me know I'm accurate. Okay.

All right. Now, let's get into the Panthers. So the Panthers beat the Falcons 30 and O. Arabia, how do you feel about the Falcons scoring zero? Because Atlanta is not happy right now. Yeah, so actually, Michael Pennix is 0 and 4 when the opposing team scores more than seven points. Also, in that game, the Falcons did not make it to the Panthers 30 yards. That is horrible ball advancement.

And actually, their offensive coordinator, Zach Robinson, is gonna, in the future now, because of this, you know, this last game against the Panthers, it's gonna come down from the booth and now call plays down on the sideline. On one hand, I feel like it's just a safe face and to make fans feel like they're doing something and shuffling the cards around.

But on the other hand, it really might give him more direct, clear communication with Michael Pennix, with that offense so that, you know, the communication is better and they can tell each other what they're seeing and game plan down on the field. So moving forward, expect for that offensive coordinator to be on the sideline and not up in the booth. But this was a horrible loss. In 2025, nobody should be scoring zero points. You can't even get in enough range for a field goal. They just got rid of their kicker, Young Way, cool.

So this is unacceptable. And if it continues this way, there will be some people fired. Yes, I don't want to say anything wrong about Bryce Young. but you can't be losing the Bryce Young. Listen, you can be losing to the Panthers. I know I may have that Carolina blue on, but this might be the worst division in all of football. This right here, other than Tampa,

this might be the worst division. What the division you think is worse than it? You just said other than Tampa, and I'm just like, Tampa specifically or they're division? No, I'm saying Tampa, Tampa is playing good. I'm saying other than the Tampa. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, this might be the worst, worst division. They got New Orleans, who else?

Is the Panthers, who else? Panthers, Falcons, Falcons. Yeah, this is, this is horrible. This is horrible. And to think that you can actually be tired at some point is crazy and actually come out of this, this particular division as well. Okay. And then my, so on the opposite end, right, because we focus along in the Atlanta,

But for the Panthers, how does this make you guys feel about Bryce Young? Because we know that he's kind of went through it throughout his career since transitioning to the league, not college, because that was a very different story for him. But how does this kind of make you look at him, Arabia? Yeah. So this is actually going into this experiment with him and Dave Canales. Dave Canales is going into another year as head coach. He took over before he was a quarterback's coach. He was a quarterback's coach for Russell Wilson with the Seahawks.

He was a quarterback's coach for Baker Mayfield and Taylor. Tampa Bay. And then he went over as head coach of the Panthers. And I think this will maybe help get his confidence up, get the confidence up of some of those receivers. I know Xavier Leggett isn't having the greatest year. You know, I don't know if it's a sophomore slump. They have another receiver over there at McMillan who's doing pretty well. So I think hopefully there just helps get their confidence up and helps Dave Canales and Bryce Young to get that chemistry going moving forward. I like the fact that this, they were on two. It seemed like everybody that was. oh and two came to play this week. You hear that stat? Everybody that was o and two came to play this week. And I also like the fact that they don't have to sell tickets for 50 cents and a dollar no more.

If you win more games, we can get the ticket sales up. So I'm excited for the city of Charlotte in North Carolina. Okay. And then we know during that game, basically Kirk Cousins had to enter after Michael Pennix was having some issues throughout. But their head coach, Rahim Morris, made it clear that there is no quarterback competition. So Arabia, when do they start to look into making it a quarterback competition? Do you think that'll just never happen?

Kirk Cousin's just going to continue to ride the bench. What do you think? I think maybe some of that was just PR. I think there should always be competition in every room. Competition just increases the level of play. But I understand what he's saying, meaning right now there's no plan to change QB1. And right now it's going to be Michael Pennix, which makes sense to me. I would have benched Pennix, too, just because at that point, the game was already over.

You don't want to risk any injury to your young quarterback so you put in the veteran. But again, maybe week five, six, depending on the trajectory of their season and how they're losing, not just that they're losing, but how they're losing games, is this Pennick's fault? Are they things that he could be doing better and he's just not improving? So it's not just like the win and loss column, but the quality of the product on the field. Did you say is it Pinnick's fault? I know that I didn't hear that correctly. Can you say that again? Is it Pinnock's fault?

Yeah, I said it all like depending on if they bring in Kirk Cousins or not will just depend on if it's all on Michael Pinnock's or not. Like let's say the defense is just giving up a lot of points. That's not on him. Let's say it's play calling. Let's say his receivers are dropping balls. Let's say the offensive line isn't getting any protection or isn't creating opportunities for the run. There's so many different ways that it could go.

So if it's on him, then you're they're going to make that adjustment. But if not, then there's really no need. There's no need to make him the scapegoat. Arabia, do you know Michael Pennix? I'm just asking. Personally, but I have, I have met him and his family. I could tell. I heard it in your, I heard it in your display of what you just shared.

You said everything but was going on here. You said people could be dropping balls, pause. They could be play calling issues. How about you throwing two interceptions? You left that out. of the equation. This guy Michael Pennix, he's getting a shot he's always wanted. He has to perform. Pause. There's no way around it. You can't leave Kirk Cousins on the on a on a on a back fill and on a bench knowing that he can actually produce for this team and leave somebody in

there that has the same average as him. It's no need of coming off the bench and being QB2. If you could do everything QB1 does and to say this is not a competition. it needs to be a competition. That's part of the issue. You just hand somebody to football and say you're QB1 no matter what. This is why you get this kind of output. There's no way you could be in a national football league

and score zero and think people are supposed to have patience for that. There's no way you could do that. So really quick, Arabia, before you go, Mace, you just feel like him saying basically there's no quarterback competition, he should actually kind of be making him more worried so he can not even worry like more than worry light the fire on them you're you're a black

quarterback in the in the black city of alanta you have to produce the last black quarterback i think we've seen was michael vick you cannot go out there in alanta as a black quarterback have little kids win that jersey and and have this kind of performance just can't not in alanta not in Baltimore, any of the cities where you think a lot of African-Americans at, this is just uncalled for. Okay, Arabia. Yeah, I completely agree. That's why I said, I think that him saying that there's really no competition right now

is just positive PR. But behind the scenes, I would certainly hope that competition is a constant in every room. Not just a quarterback room, but everybody should feel like, okay, I need to play up to standard. And if not, it's next man up. And somebody is always looking to take my job. So I think it's healthy that Michael Pennings also feels that there's somebody who's trying to take his spot. And hopefully there is quarterback competition throughout the entire season.

Okay. Now this next game, the Vikings blow out the Bengals, 48 to 10. Before we get into the game, we had a lot of heated discussion. So given the Bengals did get that loss, what would you guys' message to Camby regarding his team's loss. Because, you know, we all, we all go at each other a little bit. I'm just curious, what would you guys message to Camby? And obviously, he will see this.

So I thought this was the whole reason Cam been playing hooky. I thought that was the reason he didn't want to see me. Cam, if you're watching this, listen, I'm still your boy. You know, you don't have to run from me. You don't have to hide. The Bengals lose every day, B. Straight like that. Radio, what was your message to Camby?

I just want everybody to rewind and remember when the commanders lost to the Eagles in the NFC Championship game and I got sick and I went missing for like a week, it was like, oh, she's gone because she ain't really sick, she's sick because they lost. Cam, stop hiding. Don't hide because you thought that Jake Browning was going to lead the bangles to the promise land you said without injury there would be no tom brady you said without injury that there would be no opportunity for somebody to come back yeah so we listen this is no surprise to anybody the bangles season is over unfortunately and you know the proof is in

the pudding we we saw it on the field and they might as well just look ahead to the draft they're still above distillers though He did say the ship was going to sink. He was going to go down with it. So at least he was loyal to his team. Well, if he was going down with his team, he would be here going down with your team, Cam. You're not here. The ship is going down.

Where is the captain? Can somebody on the internet reach out to the captain and tag Camus said you said you was going down with the ship? The ship is going down. Where is the captain? Okay, so He's on a lifeboat. Right. Okay, so Arabia basically said

Bengals season is in the gutta. So, Mace, how far do you think the Bengals can go with Jake Brownie? Oh, man. It's only one loss. I'm going to be optimistic. I think he can win at least five more games.

I think the Bengals can win five more games. I think if they get the seven and ten, they'll be pretty lucky. Okay. And then Arabia, just to reiterate, you just think it's done from here. And do you agree with Mesa's take? Do you think that they could win maybe five games?

I'm not mad at them winning five games. They can sneak in a couple from their division just because they're division games. And then I would have to look at their schedule and see which divisions they play. But I wouldn't be surprised if Jake Brown and could lead them to maybe five more wins. And Joe Burrow is supposed to come back

at some point later on in the season. So maybe he can pick up wherever Jake Browning left off, hopefully do a lot better. But, you know, I'm not, I'm not mad at that. Okay, good to know. So Bengals fans, you guys can be optimistic. What if they be the Steelers? What if they be the Steelers?

I don't see that happening. I'm just, I just want to know. I don't see it happening. Can we, can we say that, you know, the Steelers is definitely not a real team? I also, lose to the Bengals. Well. Without, without, we're talking about without. Still.

Without Burroughs. No. because anything can happen on any given Sunday, the same way y'all lost y'all's first two games, and nobody expected that either. Why can't you stay with the question? Why do you have to go around? I just answered your question.

You said, can the Steelers not be considered a real team? And I said, no. Arabia, do you see what I put up with? Do you see what I'm dealing with? You can't keep the main thing about the main thing, right? We're talking about the Bengals. They're in the division with distillers. So I'm just asking, this is a natural question.

It's a natural progression. Maybe my answer is a result of my 7 to 12 trauma that I haven't spoke about because I think we go over here, y'all. I don't know what they got going over there. We go over here for now. We're going to see what happens the next game. But yes, my answer, I'm locking in and out. And please don't make this happen.

I think that the Steelers would beat the Bengals. That would be a good question, Stan, before we go to break. What was the Steelers like? between seven to 12 my seven to 12 yeah I just remember my dad yelling at the TV or being super happy

we were a football family over here Sundays were a big thing and I was right there with him if he was mad I was mad if he was happy I was happy and this one me and my dad like this see there Nick it's been an up and down relationship

her whole life with the stillers I rest my case but that's for anybody who's a fan of a team because you're gonna go through ups and downs because things aren't gonna be perfect

and unfortunately that's just how it goes okay i get mad when my team loses that's just what happens i don't try to switch teams with my team loses the game and go to my second options so we're here we here uh rabea i know you had a quick take before we go to break yeah i just have a question for mace and it's what's the quarterback name for what's the quarterback name for the bengals who just got hurt what's his name for the bangles yeah the quarterback who just got hurt what's his name for the bengals Yeah, the quarterback who just got hurt that we're talking about. Joe, what's his last name? Joe Burroughs, what are you talking about?

This is what I love about black people. We do whatever we want linguistically. Do you notice that black people add an S to a lot of people's name that's not really there? Like Joe Burroughs, Joe Buddens, Debo Samuels, 50 cents. I just feel like it's... You put more sense on 50 name? Is this what you're doing on TV?

I'm not. But Cam, if you look at Talk with Flea, just, you know, he said 50 cents a lot with the S at the end, which I thought was very funny. That's all. I just wanted to make sure I heard. Yeah, you got to chill on Cam. Cam is not here today. I'm not letting y'all while out on Cam. Y'all are wilding Cam up right now.

I don't even correct anything anymore because when I said it, I was told it's ebonics and I don't know nothing about that. So I hushed. So it's Joe Burrow. Yeah, Joe Burrow. Yeah, no ass. But do what you want. All right. Oh, yeah. Do your own thing. I get it. You got to. Okay. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the Jaguars and the Texans. Don't go anywhere. She called his thing about toxic. Four years and counting. Got you feeling like an option. Maybe I'm my own problem, baby.

She's tired of hearing out on me. No, my stubborn in me won't fall, oh, oh. Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking might want to be free. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. On Thursday, the Seahawks will play the Cardinals. Underdog has Kyler Murray at 29 and a half rushing yards.

Do you have him? Are you mocking me? Do you have it about your or love Mace Welcome back You want to do the reek

Go ahead Welcome back To it is what it is I'm your host Treasure Wilson No let me stop Arabia is on you You want her to do

The Kylie Murray fit Me Yes Okay What would be your guest Arabia Kyler Murray 29 and a half

rushing yards versus the Seahawks. I would say higher, but is this my first underdog pick? Yes. Yeah. I was telling crack on a private shit. I've been to hell and back. That's exactly how I feel it.

Okay. All right. I chose higher. Yeah. Okay. Marvin Harrison is at 48 and a half receiving yards. Do you have them higher or lower? Mace. I'm going higher, yeah. Okay, Arabia. That Seahawks defense has been kind of showing up. I'll go, I'll go lower. Okay, and Cooper Cup is at 40 and a half receiving yards. Do you have higher or lower? Arabia. I'll go higher. Yeah, I'm going to go higher. Why you asked Arabia and you didn't ask Mike yesterday. Is this like a sexist thing? No, no, never that. Mike actually jumped in an answer.

answer it anyways. But like the underdog, I pay attention to your, your black woman power thing. When it's black women, you always go like, it's like an extra gear you kick into. An extra gear to protect the people that also look like me when we're in spaces that are kind of hard to get into. Kind of make sense. That's... Look at a radio.

Look at it. Like, I'm just saying, there ain't a lot of us in these spaces or these. these roles or hosting or in sports or in entertainment. So if they do a good job. Yeah. And so many people try to pit us against each other and it's never going to give that ever, ever, ever. So we're both going to coexist next to each other and actually hype each other up.

Yes. I completely agree. Hype each other up. Yes. Nobody hipes each other up like black women. That's actually a beautiful thing. No, I'm saying it's good. They just.

That's a great thing. Because wrong is wrong. Like, I don't, if something is wrong, that it's a conversation. But if you are constantly doing good and I think you're doing a great job and I like your work, I'm definitely going to celebrate. No, I'm for the celebration. No, but I'm also answering your question in hindsight because it's not that. And also, back to that question and you just asked, underdog picks, I mean, that's y'all's thing.

So if you guys give the blessing, of course I'm going to ask. And that's what you just did. All right. So I just got to follow y'all lead. If you say, yeah, we're asking the questions. If not, keep pushing. That's all. Okay.

Yeah, I think it's a good thing. And, yeah, I'll leave it at that. Okay, make sure y'all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. Also, if you guys are watching and you're not subscribed, make sure you click the button. It's real easy. It's right there. We're on the road to a millie.

We are almost there. Man, we should have been at a million. Listen, if what's your, why are you waiting if you're not hating? If you're not hating, stop waiting. Subscribe right now. We should have been at a million, man. Somebody's gonna make that a whole tagline. Yeah, that's a meme in itself.

But if I can I make the announcement? Okay, so just when we reached a million, Treasurer said that she will come on the show and rap. The same way that Kim, you know, does his rap and Mace does his rap. Treasure got some bars for a million, okay? And I'm singing on the track. So get us to a million so we can drop that rap. Yeah.

You know what, right here, we will confirm that. Because people have been asking me for the longest. You can be a fairy. I think, no, no, it's got to be better than that. It's got to be a bop because everybody's been waiting. And I think for a millie, that's a great celebration. So make sure you all down, comment down below if you all want to see the bars. You might be shocked.

That's all I'm going to say. Why are you laughing? Mays hear me say bars He's like It's a lot of pressure You got two ledges up here And they're dropping a rap But I'll do it

Road to Millie So make sure I'll check it out And Arabia will be sitting on the track So y'all stay tuned Yes Okay So Jaguars beat the Texans 17 to 10

The Texans are 0 in 3 Arabia What's the biggest change You've noticed About C.J. Stroud Since his rookie season Before we completely Dived just into the game.

What I will say is that this office of line isn't as good as it was before. I think also offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick maybe isn't adjusting as much as he should. And it just shows you how much can change in just one off season. One off season ago, Bobby Sloick was one of the hottest names in football in consideration for some of these head coaching jobs. Fast forward. Now he's, you know, not being considered. People are saying they need to fire Bobby Sloick. But a really interesting comparison because a lot of people,

people are off the C.J. Stroud train. I'm not there yet, but an interesting comparison is C.J. Stroud to Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson had 15 games in his career since he was drafted in 2023. So if you look at C.J. Stroud's last 15 games, Anthony Richardson has a better record at 8 and 7. I think C.J. Stroud has less total touchdowns, and he has only one less interception than Anthony Richardson. So right now, The comparisons are coming in between Anthony Richardson and C.J. Stroud over their last 15 games. And I think that holds some merit. Now, football isn't played on a stat sheet. That doesn't tell the whole story. But it's starting to give you an idea of the way people's minds are going as far as C.J. Schrold is concerned. I'm happy for the home team, Jacksonville, to get a win.

I'm also happy for Trevor Lawrence to get us two wins early. And I'm also happy for Travis Hunter They got to get the ball more to Travis Hunter If he get one reception and he get 21 yards You got to go back to the man I know he's young but come on now Don't be hating on a young fellow We want to see him run it up

So he could buy another big house for his beautiful lady And his young family And do well in Jacksonville Yeah Is that you still from Jacksonville? Yes, that's never changing I'm just checking Because you said you're from Miami one time, so.

No, I lived in Miami. That's the school I went to, but all my family's in Jacksonville. Okay. Really, all my family. I want to go back to Arabia's point really quick, because that, to me, is like a hot take and I kind of want to just get better clarification for it. So are you saying, like, given the last 15 games, CJ shout Anthony Richardson, people feel like Anthony Richardson needs more credit, or are they feeling like what?

I just want a little bit more clarification for that. because I think when some people might go past their heads, and I heard that, I'm like, wait, I didn't hear that again. Yeah. So again, if you're just looking at numbers and numbers don't tell the whole story because football is not played on the stat sheet, but if you look at numbers, specifically their overall record, their total touchdowns, and their interceptions.

Anthony Richardson outperforms C.J. Stroud in two of those three categories. And the only difference with the interceptions is that C.J. Stroud had 12 interceptions, and Anthony Richardson had 13, all in the same span of four. 15 games. So again, eight and, let me make sure I'm getting right, eight and seven record for Anthony Richardson. C.J. Stroud had a record of six and nine. Total touchdowns for Anthony

Richardson is 21. For C.J. Stroud is 15. Again, there's more that goes into these, these numbers. These are just numbers on a stat sheet. Um, but it's an interesting comparison that can be made, meaning like, if Anthony Richardson got benched and they brought somebody else in to potentially compete for that spot is that something that the texas are going to be looking at ahead of cj strowl kind of running out of his rookie contract and and if they don't do that then did a r deserve to be benched or should they have given him another show it's just an interesting comparison between the two quarterbacks that's that's really interesting so according to you i don't want to put words into your mouth

do numbers lie to you or they just don't tell the whole story both both i mean it happens every single year where someone will bring up numbers of Patrick Mahomes and then some QB2. And it's like, hey, see, like, again, like, numbers, numbers don't really, oh, so bring you up numbers, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just, I don't believe that numbers are full and, like, encompass the whole story. So this, the way that Matthew says is stats are for losers, like numbers are for losers and people who don't actually play the game only point to numbers.

you have to actually watch games. So yeah, numbers lie all the time. Your facial expressions and the faces that you're making says a lot without you saying words. So I'm not going to ask you a follow-up question because I don't got time for that right now. But what I will say is that's an interesting thing. And I do think I think sometimes people forget like just because different organizations, they had different careers, but at the end of the day, They both were top five quarterback picks for a reason because that potential and obviously

that talent was there. I just think that Anthony Richardson just had obviously a very different journey because he had a lot of injuries in the NFL. But that's interesting to that and I want to look more into that. And I know we're saying numbers and everything. I get it. You have to watch the games. This is why I'm making the statement that I'm making.

But I do want to die more into that because that's interesting. If we go back and start to compare quarterbacks who were drafted and basically like how it started versus how it's going. and how things are kind of changing along as the season goes. So I think we'll find more things with that. That's pretty cool. Okay, so the Chargers, they beat the Roncos, 23 to 20. The Chargers are 3 and 0.

I know we're just saying three games. I get it. But Arabia, do you think the Chargers are legit? So I had the Chargers over the summer winning their division. And when I said that, people thought it was crazy. And I think there is some merit to it. Their defense last year was one of the, the best defenses in the NFL red zone defense scoring defense um so on that side of the

ball is good and then on the offensive side of the ball justin herbert man i want to i like him i want to like him even more but he just does have a lot to prove especially in the playoffs um and they have us uh john jim harbaw over there who's leading the charge so i think they could be legit i think the a fc west is more wide open than people may think um the chiefs definitely could get second in that division but still make the playoffs. Like we've seen some people who some teams to make the playoffs be second in their division, but then, you know, end up getting further than that number one team in their division. So I think the Chargers, I think they are legit.

Arabia, you forgot who's in the AFC West? Did you did not have enough sleep yesterday? Are you sure you want to stick with this as the Chargers will win our division? Yes, I do. I know exactly who's in that division, Broncos, Raiders, Chiefs, and the Chargers. And like I said, in the all season, I was like, I don't know. I don't really see the Chiefs being who they were in the last few years. So, yeah, I got the Chargers. That is sad. This is, this is a travesty to all of your football analogies and analysis. I don't like this for you. This is not, this is not the road to travel. You could have picked. the easier fight. This is not the fight you want to put your your whole reputation on.

And I want to, I want to ask you, if you want us to erase that take, we can. We can talk to Nick and erase the take. No, no. No, I need you to keep that take. It's the intake's already out there. Like I said, I've been saying this since like July. Okay. I think I think the chart. I'm saying this because I love you, you know. I'm going to stay in 10 toes. And at the end of the day, if the chiefs end up winning that division, I'll I'll come back and, you know, I'll say I was wrong. All right. I want you to stand in front of me when I'm, when I'm recording.

I want you to stand right here with popcorn and just make sure you hold a popcorn while I talk because I'm a movie in the making. Sounds like a bet. And if that's what she has to do, Arabia should be able to put up a wager. I'm just saying, if that's what she going to have to do, what you're going to have to do. have to do. And I think Arabia gets to choose that. Yeah. Yeah.

Let me think on it. I'm going to come back next week. Yeah. But if the Chiefs win the AMC West, I will gladly come to Vegas and hold your popcorn for you. All right. That would be good. Yeah.

All right. So the Packers, they lost to the Browns 13 to 10. Arabia, what were your biggest takeaways? You know, this actually brings up, and we talked about the Panthers Falcons, but it brings up a larger conversation about strength of schedule. And it's something that we talk about on my show where fans and media, we always talk about easy teams and difficult teams and strength of schedule, who has the hardest schedule in the NFL, whatever.

But NFL players do not think of strength of schedule. And as much as we thought this was a runaway game and that this was kind of like an automatic win or loss for either team, you still have to line up across from professional athletes. No team is easy. about the last time a team went oh in something. Oh, and 16, if you go a few years ago, and then oh and 17 in recent years with 18 weeks in a regular season. But teams don't go oh in anything these days.

So you have to respect the team that you're lining up against. And ultimately, I think the players feel that. So as fans and as media, we use strength of schedule as a talking point. But it really doesn't mean anything when you line up X's and O's. What's the question again? I just heard O in O. Yeah. So Packers versus Browns, what were your biggest?

takeaways and like well because packers lost to the browns 13 to 10 i i think exactly what she said i wish somebody would have told this the cam and stat that you don't get excited about teams that are oh and two right because you know you got so much football to go but you know i could see where they come up with this this theology from but i'm not surprised that the packers lost this is just evident that you got to take every team serious and that you know even though you're hot one week you got to stay focused because you they probably was just taking the the browns lightly and the browns end up getting that win and but i don't think it will continue though okay so you don't have a lot of confidence in them i don't have any confidence in the brown

i don't i don't have one percent of confidence in the brown and you guys could get upset with me i didn't i used to get it in ohio listen i'm i'm from new york you know i don't i don't think that the Cleveland Browns will win even eight games. I don't have them winning eight games. And prove me wrong. You know, don't get mad with me. Don't stop me in a casino and don't stop me in the airport. Yo, Maze, what are you talking about?

You don't know what you're talking about. Just prove me wrong. Just prove me wrong. Call me when you got eight wins. And we'll take it from there until then. I don't have one percent of confidence in you. Okay, so on the opposite end, because they just got, Down in the dirt with that take.

But aside from the Chiefs, who do you have the most confidence in? The commanders. The Eagles. Those are the type of teams I have confidence in. I don't have confidence in the Chargers. Who else? Who else is another team? People got a lot of confidence in that.

Bills, Rams, Ravens. Yeah, like the Ravens, I don't have much confidence in them because it's proven that, like, we was talking about earlier, they'll get right there and forget why they're there. It's something that's going on mentally that they got to change. They may need a spiritual advisor. Maybe I could be their spiritual advisor. If I become their spiritual advisor, maybe they'll win, they'll win the championship.

Just like that, y'all heard the man. Maybe y'all need a spiritual advisor because Dr. Mays, Dr. Betha is here to help. Yeah, I can fix what's going on in the mind, you know, and when you can fix what's going on in the mind. you could help people that underachieve to overachieve. It's just a matter of flipping a switch in the brain. Okay, so last thing before we wrap, then I talk about WMBA really, really quick. So Aja Wilson became the first WMBA player to win MVP four times.

The only four players across the WMBA and NBA to be named MVP four times four H-30 are Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and LeBron James. So Ravia just going to have you go first. What are your thoughts on her accomplishments? Yeah, you know, basketball is in my ministry, but I think some things really do just go across different sports. So congratulations to her.

This is a big deal. If you can get some of these accolates again and again and again, it's a testament to your impact on the game, not just on your team, but your impact on the game and future generations. So congratulations to her. What did you say she got four off? Four MVP's.

How many does Michael Jordan have? well four and four MVP's before age 30 that was the oh okay yeah you're always trying to get mike out of the equation say it to me against that yes so four MVP's before the age of 30 now asia wilson bill russell cream Abdul jabar and lebron james i like that i like that i see the way you sectioned this all and then you save it to the end black woman power here it goes again They can see you. We're on the cameras. That's a big deal.

They can see you. I'm not hating on it. I think it's phenomenal that she's able to do this before 30. I wish her nine more. I think she's a phenomenal talent. I think this says a lot about the evolution of basketball and what she's been able to do. I just take my hat off to her and I don't take my hat off to a lot of people, even people that people think are really good. But I like the way her work ethic is, the way she carry herself on and off the court.

She's a great model for women to follow. So, you know, when things are right, they're right. And this is one of those scenarios where it's right. So shout out to Asia Wilson. And all that she does, I wish there many more. May she get nine more. Yeah. Congratulations to Asia Wilson.

Mason. Mason was very inspirational. That was very good. Yeah. I like good people, you know. I don't like when wicked people win. That's a statement there. Because I feel like more often than not wicked people do win.

Yeah. So whenever somebody good wins, you got to put more on what they're doing because they're doing it the right way. Yeah. And I like when it's celebrated because I think there's a lot of people whose times are coming who still don't really get that recognition for it. So I'm happy that she was able to be part of that list. And me, biased, Ais Wilson is my favorite WMBA players, so I think it's dope. But she definitely deserves it. Okay, y'all, well, that is all the time that we have for today.

Arabia, you know, it's always a pleasure to have a show. Oh, my gosh. Yes, I've gotten so many Saudi comments. Girl, girl. That's all I'm going to say, girl. Saudi. You can only imagine just that. Oh, my gosh.

But I also do want to remind everybody about my show. I'm actually going to put it out in two parts. So I'm dropping a bonus episode on Friday because we had a dope, long conversation, NFC versus AMC. So tune in Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at 4 p.m. So y'all heard it here first. Make sure y'all check out all 32 NFL. But thank y'all for watching.

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