IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE SEARCH IS OVER FOR THE LAKERS COACHING JOB & MATTHEW STAFFORD'S WIFE IS WILDIN'! | S4 EP45

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

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Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga Black Benz's and white Vigas Now I'm out here and I'm looking for more chandeliers and light fixtures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York. Just to name a few,

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What's going on? How you doing, bro? I'm good. Everything good? How you doing? You all right? Yeah. Okay.

Here to elaborate. I'm not going to go into my phone too early. It's too early in the morning. But just know. No, don't say. You should look like you have a condom on for us. Why do you do this? Just leave me alone, bro.

I'm not bothering nobody. If you want to start this shit, Maslow. Mas. Yo, Mas. Here we go. Get it, Maslow. Get it. Get it, Mas.

I ain't fighting back today. Get it. Snuff me, get it. Go ahead. Go ahead, Maslow. I ain't fighting back today. Go ahead. Snuff me, go ahead. Do what you want to do. It's your turn. You got it today. I'm not fighting.

I'm not even fighting back. I'm not going on my phone. I'll save it for next week. Go ahead. You win today. Go ahead. You know what's crazy? This must have been bothering you for 24 hours.

The whole Jeff Van Gundy lags. It's been bothering you for this 24 hours. Is this how we start the show? I wasn't even saying nothing, Gillard. That nigga don't know my middle name. This nigga don't know nothing about me.

It's a wild nigga, name. This is my nigga. This nigga don't know nothing about me, man. This is my nigga, man. All right, man. I ain't got no beef today. Guys, shoot your shots. I ain't even fighting back, man. Go ahead. I want to hear it.

Now, actually, let me hear the dumb shit I said before. Let me hear it. Let me know. I want to hear it. Nah, I'm just here to do my job. All right. I'm just here to do my job. All right. All right, say no more. Mo, what's up? How you doing?

How you doing, man? All right, all is well, man. Having a great week. All is well. Good, good. You see that with a Stila jersey on? Just had to represent a little bit. Y'all know, Wilson and he did, you know.

represent a little bitch. Y'all know Wilson and he dig, you know. Ooh. They put your name on the back stat. Never see it again. It's Wilson. It's on the back. Yeah. It's Russell Wilson, man.

Yeah. That's Russell. I ain't jacking that, bro. If you look at me, I play for the team I own. If you want, go to D dipsetcouture.us to order these shirts these hats not just the client i'm the president it's that ceo okay so let's discuss the lakers they officially hired jj reddick as the head coach for a four year deal obviously coach reddick has a lot of work to

do, but how do you guys see this going for him? Do you guys think the Lakers made the right decision? What are we thinking? Maurice first. Yes, two things I wanted to say to this, and I want y'all to hear it first because I got a different take than what I've heard. And I was asking myself, when they hired J.J. Redick, everybody's heard LeBron be very vocal about him wanting to be an owner one day. Follow me with this, right? And I started to do my research on what it takes for somebody to be an owner. And I know he's talked about starting a team in Vegas and throwing out different places where he can land.

And then I started to think to myself, I said, man, everybody has said that LeBron won't be around long. And is these guys hiring J.J. Redick, the precursor of LeBron trying to get into the Lakers ownership group? You follow where I'm coming from? And I started to look at the age of the people. And I said to myself, I said, man, everybody who's Jerry Buss' kids, who's a part of Family Trust,

all those people 60 years old, then the people who are in the minority group uh it's an asian guy and then there's another guy or he's all billionaires these dudes up in the 80s and then i started to look at what their kids did and his younger kids one who's 35 and 39 one is a part of scouting department and one is a part of they call themselves like an internet personality. And I just thought to myself, I said, man, is this, are they, like, I don't know how it would work out with JJ Redick and LeBron initially. But I don't think it's mainly for that. if this is like the audition and with jenny bus always talking about how she wanted magic johnson to be a part of the program or part of the organization and then how kobe you know unfortunately passed away a little bit too early and i just thought to myself like i don't know how it may work out with them but i said are we looking at something else uh that you probably

haven't heard from that's just my take or or just my thoughts on it uh but i definitely started to think that this could be his path to ownership, knowing that he set himself up out there. And then all those guys, Rich and Mav and his family, they're set up there out west too. So that's my thoughts on it. I think this was a foregone conclusion that they was going to hire J.J. Redick. Everybody pretty much knew that. Even when we talked about last week about how they brought in um dan hurley just to get the number up and for him back in um connecticut i think this was just just them going through the motions to come back around to jj reddick i think when lebron and jj red and JJ Redick first sat down, that was the plan.

The plan was already being put in play, and it was already in motion. So for this team to take on JJ Redick, I'm just really concerned, is he going to win? That's what I'm more so just focused in on. Everything else, I don't want to really hear about any more about J.J. Redick until they win because it seemed like they did all of this just to get him in there. But I'm not sure they're going to win. I don't know how else to say it. You can pay him all the money you want to pay him. You can steamroll this into LeBron, but I really think the opposite.

I think they brought JJ Redick in there or somebody in there just to shake things up. And things are going to be shaken up because his personality is totally the opposite of LeBron. And I don't think people are really considered that. His attitude may not be as triggering as Dan Hurley is, but it is definitely different than LeBron. And if he's going to be true to who he is, then he's going to have to hold, not that LeBron has a problem with it, but he's going to have to hold all the players to the status of how they should play being a Laker. And I don't see them buying into that on his first year. I just don't. I don't see. I see that on his first year. I just don't.

I don't see, I see that being very turbulent the first year. And if he'll be able to stay around the second year, we see things these years like Monte Williams. If things go too bad, he could be out of there in one year. That's something to consider, cuz I don't think the Lakers take kind to losing back-to-back years. Last year, they wasn't even in the playoffs. This year, you know, they definitely got to do something.

J.J. Redick was last on the list. Niggas tried to get Ty Lue. Niggas tried to get Jason Kidd. Niggas even went to college to get Dan Hurley. You was last, nigga. You was last, nigga. So don't feel special because they definitely, even when Ty Lue renegotiated his contract and Jason Kidd,

everybody, including us, was like, yeah, it's going to be J.D. Ray. They said, hold the fuck on. What's Dan Hurley doing? We didn't got Dan Hurley. Dan Hurley turned it down. He's like, fuck it. We got to go with J.J. So congratulations to J.J. Reddick. I think that it's going to be really fun to watch because Mace made a great point. I think Dan Hurley would have fit way better because he's kind of a player's coach and we don't know Jason pardon me um JJ Reddick's coaching experience but just from his personality it seems like you know watching him on uh on ESPN or First Take or just his personality in general great basketball mind great knowledge

of the game one of the uh to me high level very, very high-level role player throughout his career and his knowledge of the game. Great outstanding college career as well. But the personalities, that's what's going to happen. And I think he's starting his NBA coaching legacy as LeBron's legacy is going towards retirement in however many years. And he may want to do things one way, and LeBron may be like, hold the fuck on. I got way

more experience in every aspect of basketball when it comes to you outside of college I know what it takes to win a championship I know what it takes to get to the finals I know what it takes to win and I'm an all-star not just an all-star superstar I actually lead the NBA in scoring past Kareem Abdul-Jabbar you You're a high-level role player. Watch your mouth. And that's what we have to see if that's going to come back because the way J.J. Redick's personality is, this is the way we're going to do it. I heard them tease him a couple years ago

about how intense he was coaching young kids, and they was like, damn, this nigga's intense with eight- or nine-year-olds. And I may be exaggerating on the age, but we have to see if he knows how to deal with NBA players who's making tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars so we'll see it'll be interesting to watch yeah and trying to get those people to respect you as a young coach is always a feat in itself because when you start talking to younger people you kind of have the cachet because you played in the NBA and you did this exactly what you're saying.

And Garner and the respect of a whole room of all stars and people make 84 million and a half a billion. I just don't see that happening. Well, the thing about it is real quick, the answer to a reply to what Murder said, it's about the respect level. Because Joe Mazzulla doesn't have the resume or even the years in the NBA that some of his players have, especially Al Hoffert.

But they respect him, and you could tell that they respect him. You could tell they're happy playing for him, and you could tell that they respect him. You could tell they're happy playing for him, and you could tell they fuck with him. That's what you got to get your players to buy into what you have going on, and that's going to be JJ's Reddick's biggest challenge in my eyes. My bad, Mo, to interrupt your question. No, that's real. That's good because exactly what you're talking about was the case with,

what's his name again from Boston? Mazula. You just said his name. Mazula. Yeah. The first year when Mazula lost, you can see why they lost. They lost because he was trying to make moves and they wouldn't buy into it. Now, this year you could see they had, on the offseason,

they was thinking about getting somebody else. And they bought into, let's give them a shot. And then it turned into a championship. So the same thing could be true with the Lakers, but they got to buy in. And like we said, I don't see them buying in. What didn't they buy into last year that they bought into this year? What do you mean? Remember, because it was so turbulent that they was moving. Yo, boo.

Remember yo, boo? Yeah, yeah. Nia Long. Nia Moore. Yeah, Nia. Nia Moore. Yeah. And that whole thing happened.

Yeah. And then as that happened, he was like the interim coach. So he hadn't had the time to really garner that respect from him. And he was in the fire. And, you know, L.A. is going to be in the fire this year. We talked about OKC. We talked about Denver. We talked about Golden State trying to get back right. Phoenix Suns trying to get back right. Phoenix Suns trying to get back right. And to land this new Laker head coach team in front of those kind of people that have to get

back, Minnesota have to get back. There's five teams that's on an all-out manhunt to get back to the finals or to get to the finals. and to put a new coach in that kind of fire. I just, I don't want to see it happening. You know, no, I'm not disagreeing with the JJ Reddick said,

I was just trying to figure out what you meant with the Joe Mazula thing. Oh yeah. So, so yeah, them buying in. Cause that's what we don't even know what we buying into. You know what I'm saying? See with Mizzou, at least he was there to see somebody win.

Even as he – J.J. Redick is on the record for crucifying Doc Rivers, who many believe is a great coach. So even that is against him. So he really has to perform from day one. He doesn't have the leniency to not do well right away. I think that's because I agree with you. I just said, Muffo, I know you wasn't finished. I'm sorry.

Yeah, to go with the way he has talked on a lot of sports platforms. So when people say he's a great mind like you just said killer what what what do you mean by a great mind he's a great basketball mind as far as a player he has no coaching experience my thing is if it was jj reddick or it's cal ripken or it's me or you when you're the laker head coach you have pressure on you it don't matter who it is you're talking about they got to come in and win anybody who takes that job has to come in there and win nobody gets that job and sticks around three four years without winning that just doesn't happen whether it's jj reddick whether it's is is dr seuss whether it's miss piggy whether it's kermit the frog you don't come in there and

don't win with the laker head coach and you're're out. So when I say a big basketball mind, I have no idea what his coaching experience is. Do he know X's and O's on the floor? Yeah. I think he played 14 years. He went to the playoffs 13 years. He only missed the playoffs one time in his whole NBA career. So he does have knowledge as a player,

but is that going to translate to a coach? I wasn't really debating you on that part. I was more debating when you were saying bonding to Boston. I was trying to figure out. I was saying because Boston made a lot of off-season moves in between Missoula's first year and second year as far as Marcus Smart, as far as getting rid of Williams, as far as bringing in Porzingis, as far as bringing in Drew Hill.

I'm just finding out Jeff Van Gundy is a fucking senior consultant. So they – obviously a lot of moves get made. My argument wasn't really with anything with the Lakers. I was just saying that Boston did a lot of shit. And I think that Joe Mazzulla did a great job last year considering all the things that you did in there. Coach getting fired. My knee and more in the business,

President Zwaab's getting slammed in the back room. All that shit was going on, and he still made it to the Eastern Conference Finals. So I thought he did a great job. There's two years that he coached there, Eastern Conference Finals, championship. So that's what I, it wasn't really the J.J. Ruddick thing. I was just

saying that I think Joe Mazzulla did, had an outstanding first two years for a 35, 36-year-old head coach, and you can't ask for any more than Eastern Conference Championship, and then the championship? That's amazing. Yeah. And maybe that's what they have to do with them and the Lakers

is surround them with the kind of cachet that they surrounded Mizzou with in Boston. Right. Because when you think about all the people behind the scenes, the more and more become obvious is like, oh, every department had somebody who knew what they was talking about, which makes it easier for them to do the job. I think when you look at a Laker team, they're getting older. They need to – and, J.J., you can use this, take it from it as what it is and do well. If they run a motion offense, that's going to be their best option

because they got a lot of big players that can get a lot of baskets around the basket. But trying to be a fast team is where they go wrong. I mean, you know the motion offense killer. That's going to be their best chance at being a dominant team. They don't have the shooters. They don't have the speed. You know, a lot of things they just don't have.

But if you run a motions offense with LeBron, AD, you got people who can spot up and shoot, you can really turn that into a special team. But that's their only risk. That's the only way they could be a good team to me. Mo, you was trying to say something. Yeah, sorry. Yeah.

No, I would just say it was a question, right? With LeBron being there, like what does J.J. Redick have to do for him to get? So say they win. What does J.J. Redick have to do or show to let us know that he's doing a good job? Win. He has to win. But I'm saying a lot of people, if they win, they'll give the credit to LeBron, right? And so that's when I, like, so part, I jumbled what I said at the beginning because I wanted to talk about that part, too, where if they do well, it becomes you're doing well because you have LeBron, right? And so to me, there's no upside for be it Dan Hurley, be it J.J. Redick or whoever, because, like, you have LeBron. And so it's not like you're coaching

this cohesive group of young guys. That's what I was talking about. If LeBron was really in the GM role and he wasn't on the team, one, the dynamic of, I hired you, I helped you to get this, I don't know how you hold that person accountable because whenever I get mad on you, I can just kind of lean on you like,

nigga, you're here because of me. I can see LeBron doing that at different times. And Cam was talking about his success as a player trumping J.J. Redick. But then also, I'm like, what does J.J. Redick have to do? Are you in a no-win situation where you have to win it all and do something very well? That's what I'm asking. I don't want to blurb. Hopefully you get the word. Yes, he does have one option that can make him look like a genius coach, and it's the same exact thing that Mizzou did.

He switched around the narrative of who's the lead of this team, changed that up, and won in a very respectful way. If he can turn his team into Anthony Davis' team, the bronze still produced produce and they win. Not only have you won, you secured the future and turned around a narrative of the team. That's what can make them look like a good coach cuz coaching is all about leadership and leadership is all about where you take where people go when they

listen to you. And if they listen to him and they succeed, then he looks like a great coach because now you've been able to get calls out of Anthony Davis, what nobody else has been able to get. And that's him step forward as the, the solitaire leader of that team.

And then let LeBron play too, like they did with, they put in Jalen Brown as Batman and then bring in Jason Tatum. Like he's still that guy, but switching who we're going through and that caused them to win a championship very easily because people were expecting everything to go through Tatum just like people will be expecting everything

to go through LeBron. And I know this is something LeBron has been looking for and requesting, but it takes good leadership to be able to show everybody how this works for everybody. It's easier to make changes when people think the changes work for everybody and not just one person. version. Okay. And then my last question just around this. So do you guys see the podcast continuing? Do you think it makes sense?

Do you think it's fine? Even though now that they're, that's his head coach. What do you guys think about that concept? Race first? No, I think you got to shut it down. Nobody wants to hear it at this point.

A few part of Lakers fan base, they said, go out there and win. You know, nobody want to hear that. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't like it anyway. I thought it was more of a just an interview of LeBron being like, just picking his brain on basketball in general. And it wasn't very collaborative. And I think that's why people draw the conclusions that they have now with it being hard to hold him accountable because he looked more like a fan on the podcast and somebody who could establish authority over LeBron. So you're saying shut the podcast down effective immediately or two weeks notice?

Yeah, they probably got that season recorded already. I would let the season play through because they probably got some sponsorship dollars or some obligations that they have to fulfill. But I wouldn't make it any more of a distraction. Like, if we're saying that LeBron has to take a back seat to allow J.J. Reddick to be the leader of the team, I wouldn't put anything else out there that would make anything distracting towards him. If I'm truly stepping away and letting J.J. Reddick do his thing and you make it Anthony Davis number one or however you want to do it, I'm not going to become a contributing factor with distracting. I think I think the podcast has already compromised that.

That's why that's why I said the things that I let off with. I think that that's already compromised. It's almost like they sat down and got, the way it looks from the outside is that you already paused groomed him to be what you need him to be in case he gets the job. Cause you know, he's most likely gonna get the job. These are the type of things that I be talking about. You know what I'm saying? that have me getting unfavorable responses from the celebrities and Cam's friends, you know,

because I tell the truth a lot. What's been compromised, man? Well, could you elaborate so people know exactly what you're talking about? It's like you're going, you know somebody's gonna get the job and you hanging out with the nigga and you're like, yo, so listen, when you get the job, right? It's almost like, what's his name? It's not the same as, as, um, Giannis and his brother, but it is close.

It's like niggas sat down and came up with a plan. Like, yo, this is what we're going to do when you get the, I'm gonna get you the job. Right. Well, when you get the job, don't be acting like I ain't get you the job. That's the five I get from it. I'm going to get you the job. Nigga, you sure you can get me that job? They talking to a lot of people. Nigga, if I told you you're going to get the job, you're going to get the job. Yo, you said you was going to get me the job. They interviewing Danny Hurley.

Did you see that? Nigga, if I tell you it's going to rain, bring your umbrella. That's your words, killer. This is what LeBron hit him with. Pause. So when he get the job, nigga, don't be telling me to be early to practice, nigga. Before you got the job. And now

I wouldn't be surprised if next week they draft Bronny. This would be perfect. I would be really excited if they draft Bronny. I would really perfect. I would be really excited if they draft Bronny. I would really be excited. I'm not going to lie. I'd be Team James. Podcast is over.

JJ Redick got to find his staff. LeBron got to get ready for the Olympics. That's all we have to say. I ain't got nothing else to talk about. Niggas got shit to do. We ain't even have to talk that long about it. You don't think if his son does it with J.J. Redick, it would be interesting? His son, if his son needs to practice and work on getting to the NBA and not being compared

to Giannis' brother, everybody got shit to do. Summer started, Olympics, find a coach and staff. Lakers got the 55th pick. See if Bronny's still available. Everybody got shit to do. If you do a podcast, they're going to say, this is why so-and-so's not happening. This is why they're losing. This is why they're not winning. This is why we didn't win the Olympics. Go do what y'all got to do. Y'all all got a long summer ahead of y'all. Everybody.

Very long summer. I like that. Okay, and then Ryan Garcia has been suspended one year by the New York State Athletic Commission. Garcia's win over Devin Haney is now a no contest following positive tests of the performance-enhancing drug. He will forfeit $1 million to Golden Boy and be fined $10,000.

Obviously a lot to unpack. What do we think of the decision that was made Maurice first yeah they made the right decision and um lately you know the PED conversation has been picked up uh with you know a few fighters and you know the only way to get people's attention is when you fine them a bunch of money and you suspend them and don't allow them to go and earn money and uh Ryan Garcia is in the prime of his career right now. So I think that they've made the right decision. I know I've seen Devin Haney.

He just came out and announced that he doesn't want to fight in any particular weight class and that he wants to fight Ryan Garcia again. But he wants to fight him at whatever weight class that he decides and chooses. So I'll be interested in seeing the remnants of that when that comes up, but I think that they made the right decision with sending a message to everybody else. Yeah, I think when it comes to Ryan Garcia, I think he should have been penalized more time than a year. Because when you think of a year, right, some people who lose a major fight, they don't come back until a year later. So him not being around for a year is almost, think about, is similar to Earl Spence or anybody else that just lost.

What time was that when we was watching Earlrol Spence and Terrence Crawford? That was about a year ago. A year ago, yeah. Yeah, he lost, and he hasn't shown up for a year. So a year is normally the time a person who gets knocked out takes off before they actually fight again. So him winning and being able to stay away for a year actually helps him more than it helps Devin.

Because when Devin comes back after a year, he'll still have that memory of, in some sort, unless he fight before then, of the last time you fought, you lost. And that plays a lot into the psyche of an athlete. Me and Killer was talking about this a week ago. Maurice, I'm quite sure you think the same way and Stat does as well, being around everyone, that everybody can't come back right away from a loss.

It's all about how they think. So him paying back a million to golden boy he needed to pay a million back to disown or you know whoever else was involved i it just seemed like they gave they let ryan off like kind of like honestly and the reason why i say a year is not long enough because it wasn't just he got caught with PEDs, killer. It's the nigga disregard to what he did. You know what I'm saying? Like, he not only got caught, he made fun of being caught.

Like, so what, nigga? I start my own league. So I think there should have been an at least another six months. It should have been at least 18 months because that's the only way pause he's gonna fill it other than that nigga telling you yo, I Start my own league where everybody could take PD's and this is public knowledge that he was doing this So he had no remorse for what he did and like in the court of law you don't show no remorse They suppose that you with the book, you know, I mean, that's what I just believe. Now, I don't think it helps Devin at all. And I think it does help Ryan because if he comes back

and fight Ryan, I don't think it's no different unless they have Nevada testing. Because let's say you take PEDs again and beat them again and get suspended. Are we going to look at Devin better? No. Even if they remove the no contest, we're not going to remove off our brain what we saw. The brain doesn't work like that. Pause. It doesn't. We still see him going like this and falling back i know i do

then you got to fight somebody and his team is probably thinking we're going to take time off but time off is the worst thing you can do you're better off taking an easy fight in six months i know i shared a lot but that's that's what i think about that scenario a lot, but that's what I think about that scenario. I don't really got much to say. That nigga crazy. He be bugging. It look like more than just PEDs to me.

I don't even think it's Nevada State testing. I think they need to do Olympic style testing anytime he fights. And secondly, I don't even, my personal opinion, as much as I fuck with Bill and Devin, I don't think if he wasn't on the PEDs that he could win. It's just my personal opinion. So I'm glad he got caught if he was cheating i'm glad he's getting suspended i think i don't know if mace is right or wrong about the time but he made a great point about the time and he's right we haven't seen errol spence in a while so i think everything mace and mosette was great but theas running around and had a fight at the fucking tank fight the other day in the crowd. Caleb playing.

Like the nigga's wild, my nigga. Sit down for a minute, sit down. Olympic style testing anytime he fights though. That's what really needs to happen. Yeah, that's what I meant when I said Nevada. I meant Olympic. Yeah, he need Olympic style testing. That's what Floyd was doing?

Yeah. That's what he need. Yeah, yeah. Anytime he fights anybody, that should be the test. And you saying you don't think who would win, Killer? I don't. Pardon me. I'm sorry. I don't think Devin Haney could beat him.

Just my personal opinion. Even if he wasn't on drugs. Right. That's what I'm saying. I don't think he could win. I think, and me personally, that's why I said 18 months because the worst thing that can happen is he come back not on PEDs and he's not able to duck that hook. The whole thing about it is, I'm sorry to interrupt.

What I was saying is it's kind of like, and I'm not comparing it because I'm just saying, sometimes you're good, but just not against that person. We look at Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. Stop rushing in back to the person who beats you immediately all the time. Sometimes you need to get your shit together and tune up, fight, and see if that makes sense.

And I don't, I just, and like you was about to say, Mace, I think I cut you off and I apologize, but that hook landed in the first round. Then it landed in the third. Then it landed in the seventh.. Then it landed in the third. Then it landed in the seventh. And then it landed in the ninth. It was crystal clear that joint was landing from round one.

I don't think this is a good rematch. I think she'll move on. Yeah, and everybody knew it was coming. Pause. Everybody in the whole arena knew it was coming. Even if you watch a fight against Javante and he's going back, he's staying clear and his head off the line from that hook because everybody knows that's his favorite punch. So how can you fall to that over and over again?

And he tried to be a brawler. So after you get beat trying to be a brawler what do you do switch back to being a boxer if if you're if you're one of those people and we love i love devin on this show you know but pause is just he's gonna pursue that hook if i if i'm fighting i gotta come back to that hook i'm throwing that hook all fight is I'm not even throwing nothing else. I'm throwing that same hook until you show me that you can get out of the way of it because the moment it connects, that's when the mindset kicks in. Who do you desire to become? He would have to be a masterful boxer to beat Ryan um a year's time good points and then ryan garcia had actually

tweeted out that he was retired right before the news came out so what do you guys even think the purpose of him tweeting that was i think he's still trolling what do we think about that my cams are the best crazy team man cam's still the best i think he's six nine and he from the six nine generation you know so everything he does is troll worthy yeah i'm assuming you agree yeah i'm gonna tank fight with a shirt that says, let me get a rematch, man. Like, I don't fuck with niggas, bro. It's a wild nigga, bro. It's a wild nigga, bro. Yeah, his shirt says, I'm Tank's number one fan.

And on the back it said, give me a rematch. Yeah, like, come on, man. He probably knew that this shit was about to come down today and said, I'm retiring the day before the end. Like, it's... I'm not feeding into his shit. If y'all want to feed into it, cool. That nigga's trolling and he makes people talk about it

and I'm not doing it. I already know niggas like that. Airplane. Do you think his team knew he was on PEDs? That's a better question. Do you think Oscar knew he was doped up? Yeah, a hundred percent they knew it. They have to they have to know um i don't know what bernard knew but there's people close to you who know what's going on it's my opinion yeah i think

bernard knew something was going on because as he was talking bernard was behind him saying chill out chill out stay stay focused right here. Stay focused. I don't even think I have any friends that crazy that I got to be behind him when he talking and coaching him through his own conversation is crazy. Okay. Well, on that note, we're going to go to break. When we return, we're going to discuss this when we return we're gonna discuss this alex

caruso josh giddy trade don't go anywhere can you tell us a little bit more about that i mean is there i was selling crack on a private jet i've been i don't get the shot make sure you're going to dipsecateur.us to order some shirts and everything else so i'm gonna get some cheeks out this welcome back now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. So tonight, the Sun will play the Aces. Underdog fantasy has Asia Wilson at 39.5 points, rebounds, and assists. Do you have her higher or lower, Mace? 39.

I'm going to go lower. I don't have that. Lower as well. I think she's lower. Okay. Kelsey have that. Lower as well. I think so. Okay. Kelsey Plum is at four first quarter points. Do you ever hire a lower cam? Hire.

Hire. Okay. And D'Janae Carrington is at 11.5 points. Do you ever hire or lower Mace? 11.5 points? Mm-hmm. I'm going lower. Lower. Okay.

Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. And guys, remember that Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark pick is live right now on Underdog. Okay. So, Alex Caruso was traded to the Thunder for Josh Giddey. Does this trade even make sense to you? You? Think it was a good trade or a bad trade? What do we think? Maurice first. Yeah, I think it's a good trade for OKC. And when I looked up Alex Caruso, I didn't realize that he started his career out with OKC. And I know when people draft you and they have hopes and aspirations of, you know, you developing into

a professional player. Where he's at right now is probably what they wish that they had earlier. And I didn't realize that he played also in their D-League pause. But obviously he'll be a great – basically a great player coming in to help them on the defensive side of the ball. I know that they got kicked out or eliminated by the Mavs last year. And I think for Josh Giddey, I know his whole offseason last year, everybody talked about him and the allegations with the underage girl. So I would imagine just him being able to go to Chicago, have a new start and revitalize his career up there. It's cool. But I like it more for OKC.

I liked them when I seen them play last year as the first time I was really paying attention to SGA. We didn't get a lot of regional games up here in Ohio. So I'm excited to see what they can do and see if they can go on a run next year for the championship. Me, I really believe this was excellent for OKC. I mean, in two ways.

They got rid of a scandal, and they got the piece that they need to compete. All last year when they were playing in the playoffs, I mean, this year in the playoffs, I kept stating that in order for them to be a championship team, that Giddey had to develop a jump shot. And they were not going to be a championship team without him being able to hit open shots. And we saw him go from point guard to SGA becoming the point guard. And, you know, just all types of things happen. And when realistically, had they had somebody like Caruso, he brings championship pedigree. He was a part of the L.A. team that won a championship with that bubble championship. You know, I don't know how people see it, but he was a part of that.

So he has some knowledge of winning a championship. And bringing that to OKC could be the piece that they need. They already have a thriving big man that's looking like he's going to be very dominant next year. I think with Caruso, they're still one contributor away from showing up in the Western Conference Finals. I think it's going to be real interesting with them having Caruso because everybody in the West is going to get better because they have to.

I don't give a fuck. It's too early for this shit. Season just ended three days ago. We're going to see what happens when they get close to the season. Am I caring about Caruso and Giddy June 27th? They're not them niggas. Neither one of them niggas is going to make me do homework on...

Yo, it ain't even at a parade yet. Celtics parade this weekend. Fuck, am I doing homework on Gideon Caruso for a parade? It ain't even happening. I don't care. Gideon, He beat the case. Get him out of here. That's all I can

really come to mind right now. A little rape joint. Minor joint. That's him, right? Ain't shoot good after that. Yeah, I mean he beat the joint so no disrespect to all parties involved but I heard that

Shorty was at the right age. That's what comes to mind to me when I think of Giddy. I think of that. I think of OKC. I think of Chet, and I think of SGA. SGA. I don't really think about that nigga. He wasn't no difference maker.

Alex Caruso, he was good on the fucking Lakers. I didn't really hear about him in Chicago making that. I don't. Go ahead and have fun with this. Got it. There you go. Okay. So let's just do our little transition to football.

So Matthew Stafford's wife, Kelly, revealed on a podcast that she slept with his backup quarterback at georgia to make matthew jealous so what do you guys think of her sharing that information on the podcast and their early days in their relationship and that logic murray's first yeah i don't know anything other shorts of, like some people just need to shut the fuck up. Right. And then I just thought to myself that he's a sucker for love. I couldn't have done it.

I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it could have done it. And I don't know, I don't know what else to say other than that. But this is this is why everybody has a microphone, right? And having a microphone, man, learn not to embarrass. Like even back then, she embarrassed herself and she embarrassed him. And all these years later, and your husband is Matthew Stafford, and I'm pretty sure they got kids or something else.

Family members, Thanksgiving's all that. It's just classless to not do that or to do that. Yeah, Mo remember I was saying this, I think yesterday or today, man, just people think podcast is getting paid to embarrass yourself. You're not getting paid to defame yourself. You're not getting paid to like defamate yourself. You know, this is not the purpose of podcasting. And it seemed like people are just always looking for something to go viral

or something to become popular offer but there's a lot of things you don't want to be popular for and this is one of them when i say the dogs and roof roof this is ex you want this from other team members you don't want it from your own team members that yo, your backup quarterback, smash your wife. Yo, I don't think there's any more disrespectful you can get than that. Because this is a nigga that's behind you. This is a nigga that, I mean, oh, man. You're on the road two days in a row, my nigga. Two days in a row. This nigga. Two days in a row.

This is a nigga that's behind you. I was trying to show what you just said too many things. Killer, killer. This is flagrant itself. This is flagrant itself. It's not a pause though. You're a killer, but you told me that. Can you stand up?

I'm visualizing something crazy. That was wild. Nobody remembers that murder. I let you rock. Pause. That's crazy. That was crazy. Can you stand up?

Nobody remembers that murder. You should have said. Crazy, Kim. That's crazy. Who is you visualizing? I don't remember that, Myrtle. Crazy, Kim. That's great. Who is you visualizing? I don't remember that, Mase. This is your childhood friend. Why would you say that to me?

Nobody remembers that. And you're not going to get people to join along with you today because you're making stuff up that you didn't say when it happened. No problem. I didn't mean to interrupt you with making good points about the thing. PT actually says something. If you want to know the truth, PT looked at me and said, well, yo, it's getting crazy.

You said like three things back to back in PT. Oh, PT and Sam? Yeah. That nigga Sam? Yeah, PT. Yeah, PT. Stand up. Because what I'm visualizing is crazy.

That is not, that is not what. You know what Mesa's like? What's the nigga from the Five Heartbeats outside the club told him, I want my spot back. Yeah, they roughing bro when we all just looking at him sad like damn man they roughing

man yeah Murda my bad man you want my spot you want my spot yeah you can't have my spot that's how my spot. You on my spot. Yeah, you can't have my spot. That's how you sound right now, but we all just looking at you. But, God, man, my bad.

I'm sorry. I get it. T.G., I get it. Bobo, I get it. Yeah, yeah, I get it. T.G. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, but anyways, what was we talking about?

You were finishing your thought. You were basically saying for that to be her husband, that's embarrassing. I don't know if you want to continue that point or. It doesn't get more embarrassing than this. It's like, this is very embarrassing. I mean, your backup quarterback, this is the person trying to take your spot and to think in a bedroom pause, he got the spot of your wife is crazy. It's just because you don't get to act like the wife doesn't care that you don't care about the wife. You married her.

You care about that. It ain't like it's a thought from the bar, you know. So I'm clear about it. Yeah, just so I'm clear. He's still married to her today? Yeah, so that happened back in college. How long ago

was this? 20 years ago why bring this up today mace is mace is right like what what is this is cloud chasing like what what he did i'm just trying to figure out why even bring that up because you got kids how like how old are the kids and this guy's like four four girls. Yeah. And that's a good that's what you want your girls to hear. Your daughters to hear. Y'all fuck dad's backup quarterback that made him into the quarterback that he is today.

If I didn't do that, if I didn't do that, he wouldn't have been, you know, that nigga like that. Matter of fact, who the fuck are we talking about? Matthew Stafford's wife. Matthew Stafford's wife. Man, Stafford, nice too.

That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm just making sure. She's like, yo, you wouldn't have been that nigga, nigga, because I put that motivation in him. I'm like, yo, pause. If I didn't fuck his backup quarterback, he wouldn't have been that nigga because that made him say, I'm better than this nigga. That's all I can take from that.

I really can't take nothing else from that. My thing is this. This is why niggas be having prenups and all type of other shit because me personally, if I'm Matthew Stafford tonight, I'm not coming back to the crib. I'm not. I'm not fucking with you because you're trying to embarrass me for no reason to get whatever type of clout you chasing up. For what? Why bring this up? I'm just really confused about this.

And let me ask you this. Let me ask my nigga Maslow. This happens to you tonight from your wife. God, not your wife. A scenario. What you doing? I like to hear what Maslow does because my nigga Maslow is vicious. Murder, this happens to you

tonight. You see the podcast and the woman you've been married to for 20 years talking about your I fucked one of your dancers on the first tour. Yeah, and not even if she's out of there,

I'm out of there until she's out of there. Yeah. I got to go. What about you, Mo? What about you, Mo? She's out of here or you standing around for a long time? Y'all done seen me on the show for a year. I think y'all already know, man. You know what's crazy?

You know why I respect, you know why I fuck with y'all niggas? For real, for real? Yeah. You know why I respect both of my brothers, both of y'all, man? Because y'all in the house with your wives now. I said. That's what I love. with your wives now. That's what I love.

If they hear me, they hear me. Fuck you. I'll say this. You know what bothered me when she said that when you see the clip, man, she looked happy telling the other girl

about what happened. And I was sitting there thinking to myself, man, if I had to hear that shit, I'd be like, fuck that. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'd be like, you want me to do it? I'd be like, what the fuck is on your mind? Like, you know, like, but it may be something. Like, I'm telling you, it's people like this. It's a lot of people watching this there's people like this who get off on when you somebody they get off on knocking you down or trying to knock you down

in different ways and so matthew stafford might be thinking he that at home and then people know how to throw these little jabs and i was like man is she doing this to like throw jabs of a man like crazy embarrassing y'all don't talk about though yeah it couldn't be urban he would be on snapped it's nuts i do want to add though she's kind of wearing it like a trophy because if you really think about it they're both kind of embarrassing because if she dated the backup quarterback to make him jealous he's seen it going on. So regardless of it going on, he still then after married her years down the line.

Did she say she fucked the backup quarterback? She said, wasn't that cute relationship at first? I hated him. I loved him. I dated the backup to piss him off, which worked. So I'm assuming he knew. I'm taking dated as you sucked his dick. I'm taking it as that. Either way, he knew. I'm taking data that you sucked his dick. I'm taking it as that.

Either way he knew, though. No, what she might try and say is, I didn't do anything. You know, you use these words. I'm taking data that you sucked his dick. That's just me. Nope. Nope, nope, nope. You know what's crazier?

The better question is, did the backup quarterback come to the wedding? Yeah. That's what I need to know. Let's find this nigga, pause. That's what they're trying to do. Yeah. Get him up here. Yeah.

You get that nigga on the Zoom, definitely. Okay. And then with football season coming along, you get that nigga on the zoom definitely okay and then with football season coming along so the AFC North will be next to be featured on Hard Knocks do you guys think that this will be an entertaining series with that division or he's first yeah

I think this is by far this year the most entertaining you know when you think about the Ravens and you know they you know the run that they had last year and they just picked up Derrick Henry, I think that's just going to be interesting in general. Joe Burrows is healthy again, so I think Joe Burrows has

his own little deal in their run to try to get back to the Super Bowl. The Browns probably have the biggest pressure put on them. Paul's with Deshaun Watson and the contract that they've been criticizing for the last few years. And who's the last team? Steelers.

Steelers sat just with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. He didn't have a great offseason or OTAs. But I think it'll be very entertaining. It's a young crowd. It's entertaining. A lot of people know who these guys are. So I'm looking forward to it. I also like how they produce hard knocks

and just the production behind it. So I'm looking forward to it. I hope they're not doing this just to see more Taylor Swift, man. I'm really not, I'm really not interested in that right now. I'm not trying to see- Taylor Swift got to do with this. Yeah. It's time for his nap, y'all.

Pardon my brothers. You know he takes naps throughout the day. It's almost time for his nap, y'all. Pardon my brothers. You know he takes naps throughout the day. It's almost time for his nap, y'all. Excuse him, man. It's almost nap time for him, bro. Y'all said the AFC,

right? AFC North. AFC North. Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Browns. Yeah, I didn't Bengals, Browns. Yeah, I didn't get what you're going with. No problem. Let me ask you something.

I just heard AFC. No, that's all good. I haven't watched Hard Knocks in a while. When I was young, I used to watch it all the time. I haven't watched it in a while. Let me ask you a question, Moe, or Stat, or I'm not going to ask Mace because I don't think he knows. Have they been doing conferences for a while?

Because when I used to watch Hard Knocks, it was just one team. Is this the first time they're doing a whole division, I mean, to say pardon me? I think it's the first time. Right, right. I think it would be interesting. I might watch now because it's something different. They always follow one team around when I used to watch it,

and then it kind of got boring for me just watching this for years and years and years, and some teams weren't really that interesting. But following a division around, I think it'd be really dope. Yeah. Killa, I think that's crazy, bro. No problem, Marlon.

No problem, man. I'm not arguing with you today. It's your day, bro. I'm not, it's your day, bro. I'm not, I don't wanna argue. I think it's crazy how you gonna going to just pause, single me out. I don't know something. No.

That's crazy. Okay, no, Murda, but you threw Taylor Swift in it. So I was like, what'd you do? What'd you do, Taylor? All I heard was AMC. All I heard was AMC. Oh, all right. I didn't hear it.

Well, you get the notes before the show, Murda. Well, stat doesn't always... I don't always what? Like, how did I... That's why I came with the shirt. Like, what? I just sent it back. I'm not discrediting your knowledge.

I just thought that you didn't understand what was going on because I didn't know something. When you said Taylor Swift, I was like, maybe it's a miscommunication in the notes somewhere. That's it. Yeah, you know, sometimes Moe just sending notes and I have to spice the notes up. Pause, you know?

All right, my bad. I didn't mean to single you know, I have to spice the notes up. Pause, you know? All right. All right, my bad. I didn't mean to single you out like that. Yeah. Stat, no harm, no blood, no foul. I was like, dang. But I want to know your opinion. You think this will be a good watch, Mace?

Yeah, it'll be a good watch. It'll be a good watch. Cool. They got to let his moms get on the show, though. Lamar Jackson. That'd be interesting. We'll see what happens. They're probably going to experiment with a lot of things,

so we'll see what they decide to do. Well, that's all the time we have for today. Maurice, thank you for being here. Mo, good seeing you, man. Mace, y'all enjoy y'all weekend, man. Mo, get your cowboy hat. Mo, what are you doing? Hey, yo. Crazy.

Niggas on the road. Thanks for watching, and as always, it is what it is. Outro Music