IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE SUNDAY MORNING FOOTBALL SHOW | IIWII EP#48

Episode Date: November 19, 2023

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by hitting the link in the bio and download the Underdog Fancy app. Now, welcome back to It Is What It Is with my man Mace Murda, and I'm Killer Kim. What's up, boy? What's good? Them dogs are back out.

Oh, yeah. They're right here, man. Yeah. This is a... Right. Yeah, the dogs are back, baby. Naked murder, man. Dogs is back.

Dogs back number one. Well, we ain't lose neither. Yeah. We ain't lose neither, so we good. I don't know what you're talking about. We good. You like my necklace? You got the Dipset chain.

The dog's a bag. The Dipset chain. The dog's a bag. The dog's a bag. You got the Dipset chain with Georgia, man. Yeah. I hate you, man. Well, listen, man. Let. I hate you, man.

Well, listen, man, let's get into some football. It's Sunday morning. This is our first Sunday morning show, so we're going to get into some football right now. Now, look, I'm sad to talk about this, man. On Thursday, Cincinnati Bengals lost to the Ravens 34-20. In that game, Joe Burrows suffered a season-ending injury. Mace, do you think it's over for the Bengals? You know I know it's over for the Bengals.

It's not if it's over for the Bengals. If I think it is, it is over for the Bengals. If I think it is, killer, it is over for the Bengals. Yo, let me tell you this much. We won't have to worry about that duel you've been talking about. we will not have to worry about that duel that you're talking about between your guy and my guy because it doesn't exist we can stop the comparison it's embarrassing Yeah. I'm not going to lie, man. A better question is, do you think it's over for the Bengals? That's what I would like to hear.

Because, you know, you used to get it in Ohio, you know. I ain't going to lie to you, brother. It's tough, man. You you know it's just damn I don't even know what but I want to say this man the backup quarterback that came in last week he didn't do great but he didn't do bad he had 68

yards he was 8 for 14 so that's over 50% he had a touchdown with no interceptions. I will answer that question next week because I want to see how he looks this week. They got a long week. They played on Thursday. They don't play again until next Sunday. So they got about

13 days. He'll get the reps that he needs to practice. When you got the second best quarterback in the league looking over your shoulder, helping you out and getting some confidence, we'll see. But I'm not going to lie,

Murda, I may be the only one with some hope left for the Bengals. Everybody I watch and everybody I talk to say it's the dove for the Bengals. I'm not going to give up on my Ohio teams like that, but I'm going to say it's the dove for the bangle so i may be the i'm not gonna give up on my ohio teams like that but i must say this you know give up with i mean the teams they gotta play they got

a tough schedule so they're looking at jacksonville they're looking at the steelers and the steelers are playing good i don't i don't know and they got to play us on New Year's Eve. So I don't know where you think y'all going with this, but that's not a good schedule. That's at least three more losses. I'm not going to go there yet, but I don't got to make it in the playoffs, Cam. Well, listen, the thing about it is we're only one.

We're last place in the division. We're only one game behind the Browns, one game behind the Steelers. The Ravens, you know, that was an important game for us to try and win on Thursday. I don't want to say us because that's not my team, but when I say us, I mean us Ohioans. That was like a really important day. You're off the ship right now.

You're off the ship right now. I told you no. You're moving your team. You start moving your hands like OJ. I see what you're doing. Now you're off the team. I'm not off the ship yet. I said give us one more week.

Listen, I'm Leonardo DiCaprio in the Titanic. If we go there, we go there. But I'm not saying we sinking yet. I'm not saying, I'm never going to get off the Ohio ship. What I'm saying is, does it look good for us making the playoffs? And I don't know until next week. I'm not going

to answer that. Okay. I mean, so you have the right to let a little bit more water get in the boat before you jump. You're a wild man. I really didn't want to talk about this with you. I said, Cam is going to cancel on this Sunday morning. I know he's going to cancel. I kept looking up.

I said, I ain't get a text yet. Yeah, I ain't going to lie, man. I think they're tapping out. Yo. That's fucked up, man. That's fucked up. You know what? And we'll talk about it in the next topic.

So you're saying that it's over for Cincinnati Bengals making the playoffs? I'm saying right now emphatically from the expert in the NFL savant that they are not in the playoffs, Kim. And we can save this clip. So I'm glad we're doing this on film. We can save this clip. So I'm glad we're doing this on film. We can save this clip. You would want to save shit once Joe Burrow is out. Now when Joe Burrow is out, you want to save the clip.

I recall all that energy Paul's niggas had earlier. Just keep that same energy. That's what I need had earlier. Just keep that same energy. That's what I need you to do. Keep that same energy. I'm really mad about them not playing on New Year's, man. But listen, if Aaron Rodgers is talking about coming back, possibly I ain't going to count Joe Burrows out. They said it's a ligament and it's rich and it's thorny,

so it's going to be tough. But, hey, man, you know us niggas, man. You know us Ohio niggas make things happen that usually don't happen, man. So we'll see. Now, speaking of Joe Burrows, Deshaun Watson also suffered an injury, season and an injury, I should say. With him out and Joe Burrows out, do you think that the Ravens are an easy pick for the division?

I think the Ravens, no, I would say the Steelers are. I would say the Steelers are. And I mean... Yo. Yo, you kill it. You're a wild boy man you're a wild boy and the reason why i'm saying it listen to how i'm saying it i got a reason when you think about the ravens having to play now this is the remainder of their season they got to play jacksonville then they got to go then they got to go to the 49ers to play. Then they got to play against the Dolphins.

These are teams that's kind of on the up. These are teams that are playing some of the best football that they're playing. And then they got to play the Steelers, the last game of the season. So every, the next four or five games or not, games, you can just say they're going to win this one. They're going to win this one. They're liable to lose two of these games i'm just gonna go on the record i'm going on the record they're liable to lose two of these four against the dolphins or or you know i don't know exactly which one but out of these four i could see them losing two so i'm looking at the steelers and saying the steelers have an easier schedule. If you think of they playing the Seahawks, they're playing the Colts without Jefferson.

They're playing the Patriots. You know, they're trying to get Belichick out of there. Look at the people they're playing. And they got two games versus the Bengals with no Joe Burrows. So that's an easier schedule. Not that they're Burrows. So that's the easiest schedule. Not that they're a better team. It's the easiest schedule. Who's the Steelers quarterback?

Killer. I'm just asking a question. Who's their quarterback, man? I'm not here to play games. Who is their quarterback? You got all this play from the Steelers. Who is their quarterback? You got all this stuff in the Steelers. Who is their quarterback, man? I'm telling you what

my people told me. Here we go. Here we go with that on Sunday morning. Listen. Who you got? I want to know who you got? Who you got? I want to know who you got. I mean, to be honest with you, it's arguably that it's arguable

that the Ravens may be playing the best football right now outside of the Eagles. I totally agree with you. I honestly don't want to schedule. It's definitely an easy schedule for Pittsburgh. But I think the Ravens are hitting their stride right now. They look really good against Cincinnati, even though Joe Burrows wasn't playing.

But I think they have the third best record in the league right now, if I'm not mistaken, third or fourth. But what I will say about this with the Steelers, to your point, Mike Tomlinson has not had a losing season since he's been the coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. And even with people not knowing a recognizable name as far as the quarterback concern or outside or what, or outside, you know, Steelers always had names that you were familiar with,

whether it's Ben Roethlisberger or A.B. or Lavey. Lavey and Bell. Lavey and Bell. You know, I'm sorry. You know, that's how a nigga came to the show. They always had recognizable names. This is kind of the first time there's not a lot of known names on the Steelers, but they're still right there, and I give credit to Mike Tomlinson on that.

So I'm not going to disagree with you, but I will go on the record and say that I think that the Ravens are going to win the division. Does that mean that the Steelers aren't going to make the playoffs? No, that doesn't mean that. They're still liable to make the playoffs, but I think it's a foregone conclusion that the Ravens will win the division with Deshaun Watson out and with Joe Burrows out.

And I got them winning the division. Okay. You got the Ravens winning the division. You got the Steelers, right? That's what you said. No, I was just – I just asked you who's going. That was the question.

I was just playing with you, Killer. They're not going to win the division. I'm doing that for the sake of TV, Cam. You know the Ravens are going to win it. But, I mean, I wouldn't – I would have given the Steelers a wild card. I could see them going wild card. That's about it. I definitely think that the Steelers are definitely in contention for the playoffs.

Absolutely. I was just solely speaking on who's going to win the division. But the Steelers are very much in the playoff run. Definitely. A hundred percent. Yeah. I was saying that for debate purposes. You know, I'm smarter than that.

Listen, listen, man. Don't do me no favors, man. Do me a favor. Do me a favor, don't do me no favors, man. Do me a favor. Do me a favor and don't do me no favors, bro. Okay. All right. So, yeah, wild card is what I have for the Steelers. I'm not scared of everything they're doing.

They just got an easy schedule. Yeah, no, you made a great point because I didn't know the schedule. I'm happy to see that you're doing your homework. It's just certain things I don't choose to talk about, you know? Listen, let me tell you something for the record, too, just so that you know. I spoke to, you know, first of all, Drama and Lake called up because they said nobody. It seems like Jingles, Drama, Lake, nobody. You're not picking up for anybody these days.

Everybody I speak to is like, yo, you murder got a new number? What's going on with them? I'm not picking up for anybody. I said, all I can do is deliver the message. But- You're dead, the reaper done came. Yeah, the dead bitch, the reaper done came, nigga.

The beeper done changed. Yeah, the beeper done changed. The dead bitch, the reaper done came. Listen, but drama. Shout out to my boy Lake and John. Yeah, Lake and John. They both called me yesterday. Let me give you a funny story real quick.

And this wasn't yesterday. Lake told me that he used to work with you. And that one time you was a little late on paying him and he was like yo Mase I need to get paid I need to get paid and he said you pulled up to his house

with a duffel bag full of money and threw $150,000 on the floor and said don't talk to your boss like that. Is that a true story? Yeah, yeah. He was paying or something. I was like, yo, later, I got the money.

I just got, I missed my flight or whatever. So he kept talking like I was trying to duck him for the pay. I said, late, I'm going to be there in like a couple hours. So I drove off. I think the time I had like the Ferrari or something. I pulled the top down and threw the duffel out on him. Yeah, he told me this about yourself. He said, I was going, I needed the money.

Mace pulled up with a bag full of money. Do 150 on the ground and said, don't talk to your boss like that. That'd be cold, man. But you're a wild nigga. Yeah. But first of all, they wanted to say thank you for letting us have Jack Harlow on the show. But John tried to get a little spicy about just your knowledge.

He said, man, as much as Mase know about football, I can come up there, man. Mase flipping on the football. I said, I'm about to do it. That's what Drum was saying, man. He was talking spicy. Drum, I thought we was cool, Drum. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm Kaiser Salsa the show. I play dumb sometimes and let Cam shine. You know how that goes. Let Cam shine. This way, we don't have no problems. Yo, baby. I don't know

if you know or not, my nickname is Bruce Leroy. I don't need help glowing. No. I have the natural glow. Thank you. But no thank you. I have the natural glow.

Let's get to the next one. So the Bills lost again to the Broncos 24-22. The Bills lost again to the Broncos 24-22. Right now, Josh Allen has the most interceptions in the NFL. With 11. With 11. Do you think he's still an elite quarterback right now? I actually drum. Put the camera on me.

Drum. Listen to this. This is a question I'm being asked on the spot, Drum. This is for you, Drum. Listen to this, Drum. You're looking at a quarterback that got about, what, 19 touchdowns. I'm going to look in the sky so you know I'm not looking at anything, Drum. 19 touchdowns, I'm going to look in the sky so you know I'm not looking at anything, Drum. 19 touchdowns, 11 interceptions.

And he leads the league in interceptions. But, Drum, without no eyes, I can do this. Drum, this is how he did it, killer. Amazing season. But then one day he got a call. Let me cover my eyes. And that call said, would you like to do the Madden cover drum? And he said, yeah, you know, it was always a dream of mine to do the cover.

And then he did the cover, killer. And all of this. He gets hurt out of nowhere. I should look this way. He gets hurt out of nowhere. I should look this way. He gets hurt out of nowhere, drum, because everybody gets hurt that get on that cover, drum. Number one, Adrian, I mean, Antonio Brown. Number two, Adrian Peterson. Number three, Eddie George, number four, Donovan McNabb. Who else you want to know? Josh Allen, Odell Beckham.

Do you see this, drum? I can do this with my eyes closed, drum. What is he thinking? Kill him? So this is new knowledge to me. I didn't know Josh Allen is hurt. Yeah. Or have a bad season.

Everybody that gets on that cover, they end up getting hurt or have a bad season. But Drum wouldn't know this. That's why I'm the expert. This is why I have to step in, Mace. You said Josh Allen is hurt. He's not hurt. No, I said we're having a bad season. We can rewind it.

Don't make us rewind it. I was saying, everybody, it's a curse. It's called the man curse. It's the man curse. So the numbers fall off drastically or they get hurt drastically with your eyes closed my

goodness John tried to come at you man so look I agree with the man I totally agree with that I think look what I will say is this. The Buffalo Bills, that's some sucker shit.

Y'all firing your offensive coordinator because niggas is not dropping, because niggas is dropping passes or not running the right routes, or et cetera. And that's what happens in a lot of teams, not just football, basketball. You need a scapegoat. And because when you're not winning, they don't want to go to the star,

they don't want to go to the coach, they want to blame somebody. Oh, it's the offensive coordinator. The offensive coordinator ain't dropping the fucking ball. He's not dropping that ball. Yeah, the offensive coordinator been running good fucking schemes for y'all niggas the last few years, and because it's not panning out, he's the scapegoat.

So I do think Buffalo, that's some sucker shit y'all did for that. As far as Josh Allen still being an elite quarterback, absolutely. I'm not sure why it's not working well this season. I'm not sure exactly what's going on to where the chemistry is not falling in line. I'm not sure exactly what's going on to where the chemistry is not falling in line but I'm still to this point will not count out the

Buffalo Bills this particular moment I know we might have a field day tomorrow when OJ get on the fucking show I tell you that much I cannot wait for OJ to get on the show tomorrow because we might have a fucking field day Uncle O I cannot wait, man.

But is Josh Allen still an elite quarterback? To answer the question, I would have to say yes because whether his team is doing good or not, it's 30-something teams in the NFL,

32, I believe. It's not five quarterbacks I would take over Josh Allen. I would definitely take Patrick Mahomes. I would definitely take Joe Burrow. I would definitely take Aaron Rodgers when healthy, and I'm not even saying over Josh Allen. I'm just naming elite quarterbacks. That's three?

How many is that, three? That's three. I like Herbert and Sandy and Sandy, well not Sandy, they put him in LA with the Chargers. I'm trying to think of quarterbacks that's either over him, which

I have Joe Burrows and I have Patrick Mahomes better than him, but I'm giving people at least on his level and outside Aaron Rodgers, Herbert Herbert I can't think of anybody else who Lamar Jackson I like Lamar Jackson as well I like that pick I would I would that's definitely a great great name now I would compare them this season at least equally I had Josh Allen ahead of Lamar Jackson but right now at this particular point, I would call it even.

And that's after the cover, Drum. That's after the cover. All right. So who else would you put in front of Josh Allen besides the people we just met? I wouldn't put nobody else in front of him. I just thought when you said top five, I could think of five because that fifth one was Lamar Jackson.

That could be arguably, you know. And even Hubert with the Chargers, I'm not necessarily putting him above Josh Allen. I think he's in a terrible system playing with a terrible team, playing with a terrible team. But I think he's good. But I wouldn't even put him over Josh. I was just trying to think of elite quarterbacks.

I know somebody else we're leaving out. Who was, well? CJ Young. I meant CJ. Down there in Houston? Yeah. I think he's doing great this year. I think it's his first year and he has more body of work. I think he's playing great this year. I think it's his first year and he has more body of work.

I think he's playing sensational this year, absolutely. But I can't go based off of eight games, the body of work that Josh Allen, all the quarterbacks that we named, you know, I think they put in a great body of work. Are you saying his last name? Huh? Are you saying his last name? How do you saying his last name how do you pronounce his last name uh trout stroud stroud yeah stroud yeah yeah you know new hotness they get eight games

this nigga's better he's better than choc because their argument will be he came in the league doing this he didn't even have to pause, warm up. He just came out the gate like, yo, I'm better than these niggas. I'm about to show you how. That's a fact. That's a fact, man. Well, look, today the Bills are playing the Jets.

Who do you got winning the game? The Bills playing the Jets, man. I'm actually gonna go out on a limb and say the Jets. Man, I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say the Jets. I have to agree with you. What I think is, hey, listen, with this particular situation, look, the Jets are only a half a game behind Buffalo right now as we speak. I think it's a lot of confusion in Buffalo, especially

firing the OC. The Jets defense has been tough and it's going to be a great test for Buffalo to see if they're going to be able to override all the shit that's going on right now

on Buffalo and the J on right now in Buffalo. And the Jets right now, this will put them atop with Buffalo and giving them a better shot at trying to make the playoffs. So I think I'm going to go on the limit and agree with you and say the Jets, but I think it'll be a great game. If Buffalo doesn't win this game, I'll say this. I think it's a dud for Buffalo for the rest of the season if they don't win great game. If Buffalo doesn't win this game, I'll say this. I think it's a dud for Buffalo for the rest of the season if they don't win this game.

Yeah. And blame Drum if they lose. You want Drum ass today, Paws. I'm going to let Drum know too. Murdo, Murdo on your ass. He ain't like that shit. He ain't like that shit at all, man. I'm going to call Susan.

Come to get me. They better have the SWAT with them, nigga. I'm going to let them know. I'm going to definitely let them know. Now, look, real quick. Denver, they're on a three-game winning streak. Yeah. You think Denver has a chance to still make the playoffs? According to

my people, they say the highest Denver can go is a wild card. This is the highest they can go. They're not going to win no division. The wild card is the playoffs they can go. They're not going to win no division. Mace, the wild card is the playoffs, in case you didn't know. I know, but.

Wild card crazy today. Calm down on the wild card. You call a wild card crazy. The wild card is making the playoffs. Do you think they can make the playoffs? Cut it out. Now you wild card. It's a whole fucking episode, bro.

I felt niggas pause. I could hear niggas saying, Mace not using football terminology. I'm using the terminology so they can know. Yo, the kid know what he talking about. I just don't choose to do that. I mean, the Chiefs going to win a division. But, yeah, they can make the playoffs. They can get in, pause, and get out first round.

So you're saying that on the record today, you're saying that they're going to make a wild card spot? I'm saying that's their only chance. I don't see them advancing far in the playoffs. I don't see them winning a game in the playoffs. If by luck they may make it, that's what I'm going on the record and saying. See, the thing about

it, and it's such good parody right now in the NFL totally. You know, you got two or three teams that's at the top, and then you got a bunch of six and threes, five and five, five and fours. Then you know you got the bottom with New England, two and eight, Tennessee, five and five, five and fours. Then, you know, you got the bottom with New England, two and eight, Tennessee, two and six.

But, see, this is the thing about Denver. They're a game and a half out of being in last – well, second to last place. But they're only two and a half games out of being in the playoffs. but they're only two and a half games out of being in the playoffs. So we still got seven games left. No, they got actually eight games left. Yeah, and they're right there with the Chargers, and they're right there with the Raiders.

So it's like they could get in the playoffs. No, absolutely. It's a bunch of teams. They're a bunch of teams sitting at 4-5, 4-5, 5-4, 5-5, 6-4. They're two games out of a playoff spot. So, you're absolutely right. Do I think...

Only them Chiefs is 7-2. Only them Chiefs. Well, Philly's 8-1, Mace. No, I'm talking about in the AFC killer. Okay, I thought you about in the AFC, Killer. Okay, I thought you meant overall. I'm glad you're learning your conferences. Yo, this is amazing.

This is really good for you, man. What's wrong with these niggas, man? What's wrong with these niggas, Killer? You must have felt niggas trying to doubt your football knowledge. Yeah, I heard niggas. You know I hear things. I hear things, killer. I hear things. That's the nigga I know right there.

I hear things. That's the nigga I know. What I'll say is I'll go on the limit and say that the Broncos will not make the playoffs, that they're in a good winning streak, but I don't know if it's will not make the playoffs, that they're in a good winning streak, but I don't know if it's enough to make the playoffs. It seems like they're

gaining some camaraderie. We talked about this shit, how the season started, how Sean Payton was telling them to get it tough enough. Russell Williams was like, I'm not going tough enough. Maybe they're coming to a medium. Maybe they will make it, but I'm going to say they won't make it.

Yeah. That's a good observation. I think – what's his name? Russell Wilson. He has responded, though, so we got to give him some respect. And shout-out to my boy, John. I'm just playing with you, John. No, you're not.

No, you really not. I know you're not playing. No, you're not. You're really not. I know you're not playing. John, you're a man, but look, he came at you first. Yeah, he did. That's why I wore the rollie. This the rollie that niggas fell out over. When they said those ain't Rolex diamonds.

I felt it. I heard what niggas be saying. Yeah, let them know. So look, we're going to get ready to go to commercial break. And when we come back, we're going to come back with our underdog fancy picks. Talk a little more football and then get into some basketball. It is what it is. It is what it is. Pink Horse Power.

She call this thing about toxic. What's happening, man? Baby, what's happening? Why you walking like that? That's how I walk. And then, like, you come on breathing on me like that. I fucking breathe to live. And, like, you used to be dark-skinned, and now you act like hella light-skinned.

You fucking blind? I'm dark-skinned. What the fuck? And then, like, look at your beard. What the fuck is wrong with my beard? Your beard looks stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't even like it.

The way you breathe in, all of that. Has this ever happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink horsepower. No, no, no, no. I'm just trying to give you a massage. Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately?

It looks so good. No. PHP. It works every time. Wait, where are you going? What's good, everybody? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, special Sunday morning football edition. Now, tomorrow,

Yatchee's murder, they play the Eagles. They got Jalen Hurts at 36.5 rushing yards. What do you think? Hold on, hold on. Let me do that over. I'm sorry.

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. Right now, we're going to get ready to get into our underdog fantasy picks for today. Now, tomorrow, the Chiefs are playing the Eagles. You have to see this, man. They got Jalen Hurts at 36.5 rushing yards. Higher or lower?

Rushing yards, lower. He's playing against the Chiefs, man. Are you crazy? Well, I couldn't have it no other way. We talking about Mace versus Drum. This is Mace versus Drum. Chiefs versus Davis. You know what's crazy?

You know what's crazy, Mace? And this is more than everything I love I said, because John was like I don't even know about sports like that And I know more than Mace in football So I said, John You from Philly Who's the quarterback

For the Philadelphia Eagles? He said, come on now, you're playing with me, Kim. Jalen Hurst. I said, all right, I'm going to leave it there. I'm going to leave it there. I asked him. He said, Jalen Rose. I don't know what he was going to do.

But I'm going to have to agree with Mace and say that I'm going to go under for 36.5 rushing yards. Now we have DeAndre Swift at three receptions, higher or lower. Say it again. DeAndre Swift at three receptions, higher or lower? Higher. I'm going to agree with you and say higher as well. Last pick, Patrick Mahomes, two passing touchdowns.

I'm just sticking with this. You like Sunday mornings. You feel it Sunday morning, man. Patrick Mahomes, two passing touchdowns. Of course Patrick Mahomes is going to have more than two passing touchdowns. First one at 225. Remember, I told you that. I'm going to have to agree with Mace,

and I'm going to say Patrick Mahomes will have higher than two passing touchdowns. That's our underdog picks for today. What we got next, Murdo? Yo, this Thursday just passed. We watched your boys, your core fighter, Manuel. murder yo this thursday just passed we watch your boy shakur fight emmanuel what did you think about that fight killer they they put this on f1 weekend i i it was just the most boring fight but i want to know what you think in this he's always putting himself out there with gavante. Shakur, beware Javante. Do not go to fight the way you fought that day

and go against Javante. I'm just saying what I saw. What you saw, Taylor? I have to say, and Shakur, I'm always rooting for him. That's my guy. But I will say this. It was a very boring fight. He's one of the great... He's a great

defensive fighter. I think probably the best defensive fighter we have. A lot of people say he's like Floyd, but I have to disagree because the point he's at in his career to where Floyd was at in his career, Floyd was going to fight. Floyd was going to

knock niggas straight the fuck out. He wasn't this defensive fighter. And even when he got older and turned into more of a defensive fighter, his counter punters was elite. It was no more nobody landed double digit

punches that whole fight. It was on Emmanuel credit. Emmanuel wanted to fight. He did. Oh no, he came to fight. To me, it was on ESPN. To Emmanuel's credit, Emmanuel wanted to fight. He did want to fight. Oh, no, he came to fight. He was, to me, he was pushing the motion 80% to fight. Shakur was backpedaling, I'd say, 75% to fight. What I'll say is this is going to hurt him trying to get pay-per-view dollars.

It came on ESPN, but I don't know if I would pay for a fight on pay-per-view dollars it came on ESPN but I don't know if I would pay for a fight on pay-per-view secondly I don't I didn't necessarily have him over uh tank but I thought it was a question with him and Haney and I was saying that Shakur might could beat Haney after seeing that fight I'm not sure about that anymore, I was going to say the same thing. I was leaving that for you to address it. But when it comes to Javante, absolutely not. And when it comes to Devin Haney, that's what I'm saying. I don't think he can beat him.

Even though I think, just like you, that Shakur is a, you know, he's one of those once-in-a-generation type talents. But I think he got to develop some power. Shout out to Andre Ward. Shout out to everybody, Terrence Crawford and everybody that trained with him. And shout out to you, Shakur. You just got to work on that power, Paul.

Definitely. I totally agree. But as far as entertainment, I was very much not entertained. And look, I spoke to Shakur in the DM probably a few days before his fight. That's my guy. I fuck with him. It's just that we got a job to do.

We got to keep it honest. Very important fight. I don't know if I'll pay for you. I wouldn't put him above Tate. And right now, I had him above Haney. But right now, that's a question for me and let me say something else because I think we're

leaving out a fighter if he's in the well to weight division right or what is he like he's in 135 yeah 135 yeah and that 135

lightweight division is somebody else I think we're leaving out. Teofimo. I think him and Teofimo will be a good fight. Based on what I saw, Teofimo will probably be where he needs to be focused in his energy. I think Teofimo moved up, but if he did go back down, I totally agree.F. Timo moved up but if he did go back down I totally agree with you not only that we have to stop leaving Lomacheco

out of these conversations as well you know I think to me Lomacheco actually beat Haney even though he didn't get the decision but we gotta stop leaving Lomacheco out of these conversations I think Lomacheco but we got to stop leaving Lomo out these conversations.

Now, I think Lomo loses to Shakur, but I think Lomo will beat Javante, and I'm going on the record. Okay. On the record, because his styles make fights. So this is what got Shakur, I think, feeling the way he feels, because he's like, everybody's kind of really ducking Loma, but I could beat Loma. But just because he could beat Loma doesn't mean he could beat the guy that Loma couldn't beat. And I think that's what's going on, and they all need to fight. to fight. I agree. I would say this as far as Loma being taken. I'm not

sure about that because the one time that I didn't really like Loma, and I like him, I'm a fan of his, is when he fought Tiafimo. He was scared to get hit. He was running like a motherfucking bitch when he was fighting Tiafimo. He know Tiafimo be knocking

niggas out. And that whole fight he ran. I know he went up and wait to fight him, but he ain't want to get hit with one of them joints. And if you fight Tank, Tank is coming to knock you out. So I'm not sure if he's going to be scared to get hit like he was when he fights Teofimo. But if he is, that's not going to win a fight against Tank. That was a great observation. The reason why I said that is because I watched the fight with Javante and Pitbull, and the size different paws changes the fight. So you take somebody like Tiafemo, that's a different height or a different size paws than Loma, and it changes

it because you can kind of see the punches different when somebody is eye to eye. And that's kind of why Tank is so dangerous because he's like Mike Tyson, elusive in a way that people can't see him. And that's why they always compete with the uppercut. Yeah, exactly. That's why I was kind of shocked when you said you think that Loma can beat Tank. That's what you said, right? Yeah, because I'm saying because their height,

he could see that uppercut better than Mario could or Javante could because they're taller. Somebody right here is like you're fighting somebody your size. Gotcha. Uppercut coming. Gotcha.

So the next thing we want to talk about is James Harden. James james at this point he's brought the clippers to their first win and it was on on him on a three that he hit a four-point play so are you ready to believe now in the clippers or the la Strippers? Which one is it to you? LA Clippers or the LA Strippers? Which one is it? I want to give mad, mad, mad, mad props. Mad props to Russell Westbrook

for taking the stance and saying, you know what? Instead of putting it on Ty Lue, I'll come off the bench. I'll be the one to come off the bench and let's see how this goes. Everybody's making speculation who should come off the bench.

We knew that Paul George and Kawhi Leonard wasn't coming off the bench. Russell Westbrook said, you know what? I'm going to take it upon myself to say I'm going to come off the bench without anybody telling them to. He went to coach and said, that know what? I'm going to take it upon myself to say I'm going to come off the bench without anybody telling them to. He went to coach and said, that's what I'm going

to do. So you don't have to be putting this position and let's see how it works. So big shout out to Russell Westwood for taking that stand. And it led to a Clippers victory. You know, should it have went down to the final shot

and then won it by six against Houston, even though Houston is looking very, very good this year so far. No, you have four people that's probably going to go to the Hall of Fame on that team. So a young Clipper team with a few veterans

and a brand new coach. No, it should not come down to that. Now, I know they're still building chemistry, but what I take away from this whole thing is this. Shout out to Russell Westbrook for being the bigger person. As far as Dave Hart winning

the game or getting a game winning shot or getting a four-point play to steal the deal, look, it's good that they finally got the monkey off their back and they're winning, but I don't think that, you know, I still look at it as selfish of him to come there and maybe like, well, I'm not sorry, and I'm sorry.

Y'all figure it out. So I just want to big up with this whole particular situation. I don't want to make it a James Harden thing. I want to make it a Russell Westbrook thing and say salute to him. thing i want to make it a russell westbrook thing and say salute to him well cam i'm gonna say i love james harton i love russell westbrook and kawai and the goat paul george put some respect on his name okay on this particular matter i think that's the dumbest decision that Westbrook could have made. I think it's actually going to shorten his career. You know

what this reminds me of, Killer? You remember we had this excellent underclass season, and then my senior year, I said, I'm going to come off the bench. Nigga, you coming off the bench for this summer, nigga?

If y'all don't win yeah if you if y'all don't win russell westbrook you're that much closer out of the door because now you're coming off the bench on a losing team you only come off the bench on a losing team. You only come off the bench if the team is going to win it all. Why put yourself second to a guy who's going to pretty much mess the chemistry up? If you got to go to the wire with Houston, with that much firepower on that team, that's a horrible sign you said we got four hall of famers and you win at a last shot with four hall of famers against houston against what's his name what's the guy name you had the hair on when we was dylan brooks dylan brooks nigga and and and and mr Dylan Brooks? Dylan Brooks. Nigga. And Mr. Missionary Forza's over there too. Yes.

How do you go to the wire with the goat? The system. Yo, you got the goat and the system. The goat in the system, the claw in Mr. Triple Double. The claw in Mr. Triple Double himself. How? Well, what I say is this, Murda, that's a great assessment. But what I say is this. They finally won, at least.

They've been losing, at least. A hundred percent, it shouldn't have been that close. But at least. They've been losing at least. A hundred percent, it shouldn't have been that close, but at least they got a win. And listen, I like that assessment about him shortening his career. Because the thing about it is this, you're right, but ultimately it's going to be Ty Lue's decision. But ultimately, it's going to be Ty Lue's decision. So, Ty Lue, you can't let your players decide exactly what they want to do.

That's your job as the coach to find out who should start and who shouldn't start. But Russell Westbrook just wanted to say, look, we're on a five-game, six-game losing streak, five with James Harden. We got to do something. If Ty Lue don't do it, I will. That's what I took from him. Me personally, I'm a Russell Westbrook fan. So I didn't like when Russell Westbrook went to L.A. and they used him wrong, started calling him, you know,

Russell Westbrook and all that. And I think this kind of decision is going to come back to bite him. He's already been in D.C. He's already been in Houston, OKC. Now you had the Clippers. If this doesn't go right. Lakers. And the Lakers, where does he go?

You get what I'm saying? I thought it was a poor choice. I appreciate you doing this for the homies but man you could have poured out liquor for the homies you had to come off the bench but listen I totally agree with you and I'm not disagreeing with you but the only thing that I'm adding on to what you're saying is this is really a Ty Lou decision. Ty Lou let Russell Wilson do this and Russell Wilson was just at the point like it's

too much speculation. I want to win. So I agree with you 100%. But Ty Lou, this is really your decision. Yeah, Ty Lou do your job, man. That's what I'm saying. Let these niggas step over you like AI. Come on. That's exactly what I, man. Right. That's what I'm saying. Let these niggas step over you like AI.

Come on. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It should not be Russell Westbrook's decision to come off the bench. It should be your decision, Ty Lue, to say, look, this is what's going on. We've been doing okay until you got here. So now you need to come off the bench, James Harden. You just got

here. I wish you not. We don't have time, but we'll revisit it this week because I would love to know if I don't know what their record was before James Harden got there. Matter of fact, Bob, you can look that up. See what their record was before James Harden got there. But at the end Bob, you can look that up. See what their record was before James Harden got there. But

at the end of the day, yo, stop. I agree with Murdoch. And that was a great analogy. Because you know why? Who stepped over him? It wasn't that. He's the nigga. And y'all

stepped over him. This is 20, 30 years later. Stop letting niggas walk over you, my nigga. Hey, y'all stepped over. You got to – this is 20, 30 years later. Stop letting niggas walk over you, my nigga. Yeah, you the coach because when this happens, Ty Lue is not going to keep Westbrook in the league. Nah, this is a business, bro. I can't do that. And they were 4-2 before James Harden got there.

And now what are they? Now look at them. Now look at them. They won that last week. 4-7. 4-7. Yes. Niggas went from

800 to 200. That's the system that's the system shout out to the goat I know that shout out to my nigga Paul George yeah what's the last topic for today yeah I'm glad we talked about that and got that out

the way because now i want to talk about john moran we need to talk about john moran this has been an ongoing issue who's in the right who's in the wrong was it john moran fault was it the teenager fault all i know is that john moran is claiming self-defense. Killer. And everybody's listening to you. They want to know from you. What is your take on John Morant pleading self-defense? Now, let me actually just understand the scenario, because John Morant has been in a few different things.

Yes. Is this the particular scenario when he went up to like the Foot Locker store or whatever? Or is this something different? This is with the kid I think playing a basketball at his house. So he smacked the kid at his house playing basketball?

They jumped the nigga. Allegedly. The kid said he got jumped. Yeah. I would plead self-defense too. If there was a leg for me to plead self-defense on, I would go with self-defense. The only problem with John Moran pleading self-defense

is the plethora of different accusations that he has against him. Me, personally, if I could get away with it, I would get away with it. Actually, now, if you ask me my personal opinion,

it's hilarious. John Moran putting up blush face emojis every day on the gram or Twitter or whatever. John Moran out here playing with people's heartstrings and emotions at this point.

I think self-defense... Look, let me tell you this much. Maybe that's what the blushing emoji meant. Maybe he meant he hit me, so I hit him back. Right. Whatever it is, let me tell you this. He wouldn't do that without his lawyer's co-sign. So he ain't like he going to represent himself.

He told his lawyer what happened, and I'm pretty sure he got a pretty good lawyer for the amount of money he makes. He's like, oh, that ain't nothing but self-defense. Oh, no, he wouldn't do nothing wrong. He didn't think of this by himself. So whoever his attorney is, told him he possibly

could win this case on his self-defense situation. I think when you got a history of people saying, pulling out I think when you got a history of people saying pulling out guns and different things like that it's kind of hard to plead or claim self defense people just

don't think of you as a defending yourself type of person they think of you as active what I'll say is this is my one recommendation for my last my last comment on it because like I said I don't know but John Morant if you're listening

I would go for a puffs lawyer he wrapping shit up in 16-17 hours man fucking court case don't even make it to court fucking with puffs lawyer 16 hours this shit will be thrown out that's what I would say

if I was you. Yo, that's all the time we have for now. This is Killer. I am Maze. Shout out to Stat. This is what it is, and we'll see you tomorrow. Peace out. Peace.