IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE THUNDER ARE OFFICIALLY PART OF TITLE-TOWN AND SEASON 6 FINALE!!

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

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Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, let's talk about the hat cam. Yeah, yeah. Listen, listen. I didn't even know. Yes, like. Your cam cut it out, yo. Don't start that early saying? Yes, like. You can't tell me that. Don't start that early in the morning, man. What?

What you talking about? Murda, we all pick OKC to win. Yeah, we did, we did. We did, we did. Yeah, but you switched up like four times during the whole thing. I said I want them to win, but come on, man. No, you said your heart was with the Pacers.

Yes, you did. But I know, okay, she was gonna win. That you did say. Titletown prevails. That you did say. No, he changed stuff like four times. I think he says he went through two, he took out the thing.

Titletown prevails. Titletown prevails is crazy. Titletown always prevails no matter what. Yeah. We're seeing that. Okay. So let's get into the game. Game seven. It's done. The OKC Thunder, our 2024 to 2025 NBA champions after beating the Pacers 103 to 91. Halliburton went down at four minutes and 55 seconds in the first quarter. So Mace, first, what were your initial thoughts after seeing what happened to Halliburton went down at four minutes and 55 seconds in the first quarter. So Mace, first, what were your initial thoughts after seeing what happened to Halliburton?

When I think of Halliburton and I think we kind of jinxed him with the nickname Halliband and he ended up, you know, popping his Achilles. But I give all this credit to the low tops. I know people and experts don't want to really pay attention to this, but the last three guys that blew out the Achilles balls were all low top sneakers, man. Whether we're talking about Tatum, whether we're talking about Damon Lillard, or we're talking right here with Halliburton. He had on some pink low top sneakers, no pun at cam, you know. What I got to do?

What I got to do? What I got to do? Yeah, you don't got nothing to do. I don't own a color pink, I'm not the owner, I wish I was. You know, they pink, they give you the credit for it, so he had on some pink low top, maybe they was mob, I wish I was. You know, they think pink, they can use the credit for it. So he had on some pink low top. Maybe they was mob, I don't know.

Maybe, possibly. But yeah, I think it all goes to that, you know, playing in those type of sneakers, you gotta be really careful. I know KD makes some great sneakers, Kobe made some great sneakers that were low top. And you know, just when it comes to this game of basketball, the way people are cutting these days, unless you grew up playing in soccer, this is the Achilles and around the ankle is probably not strong

enough, even with the tons of tape that NBA players are getting taped up before the game. So it's really something to consider. And I knew once, once he went out, the likelihood of the women winning was even slimmer than before. So I think that's something that everybody thought of, but I liked the way they kind of rallied by halftime, but it seemed like when it came back to the second quarter, it just was too, it was too much of a risk for them

to carry the weight of him being out. Yeah, listen to me when Halliburton got hurt, I didn't like the Indiana Pacers body language. You know, you can see it on their face. There's like, damn, damn, damn. But they, you got to think about this Halliburton got got hurt midway through just about, just a little over, midway through the third, first quarter, even though he was on fire. Ah, shit, I think he had nine points in seven minutes or something like that. And I'm like, oh, he doesn't really start off this hot.

Hit three, three out of four threes. I'm like, he's gonna have a good game. And damn, I was really upset the rest of the game to think about we're not gonna get what we really want to see in a game seven between the two, you know, quote unquote superstars for their team, whatever you want to consider, either one of them a superstar,

depending on what your standards are. But that really took the gas out the game for me. But what really happened was that Indiana didn't fold. They were actually leading at halftime. Indiana had a one point lead at halftime. I'm like, all right, cool. And then I started thinking about it. And I'm like, even though Halliburton was on the court

for these games, all the games that he played so far, but it's been games where he didn't score or have four points or had single digits or just over double digits. So I'm like, even though, don't get it fucked up, he's the head of the Vulture, so to speak. He's the point guard. So he's gonna make sure you distribute so on and so forth.

But it wasn't really like he be scoring 30, like they need Shay Gilders Alexander's 30 to win. They don't need a bunch of points for him to win. So I'm like, when they were winning at halftime, I'm like, they might have a shot to do it. You really should go back there and look at Halliburton, like, nah, we gonna win this for you. I didn't see that body language from the Indiana Pacers.

When you got Matheran and TJ McConnell, your leading scorers, I'm talking about for the team, off the bench, that says a lot. Like the miles turning, yo bro, what's up with two those my nigga you seven eleven pause and what the fuck you had three yeah he has six pulling up from three we see I seen him last summer, or last fall, whatever it was, murder at Rich Climbing, boardroom had an event.

And he came up, he was like, yo, I see y'all put me on your page, y'all don't like the way I dress? And I said, no. Actually, yo. I said, he's like, damn man, it's like that. I said, I think you're a good player. You asked if I like the way you dress. No, he was cool about it.

He was cool. But that's the focus, bro. You were seven feet out there, man. They went small. They actually, you know how much disrespect they had? They took out Chet and Hornstein at the same time and went small and was like, whatever. He ain't gonna be no factor.

That's how I looked at it. Yaden dropped the ball on the side, even when you dig at the ball, you keep trying to do a dribble sidestep. James Hart and shit is 7-1. Now, could you shoot the three once in a while? Yeah, you're not terrible. But if you have the biggest person on the floor

at a stretch during the game, six, seven, maybe six, eight, if that, and you're not taking advantage of it, that means it's a lack of disrespect for your inside play. For them to take Chet and Honest on at the same time, there's no respect for you as a big man, my personal opinion. But we're gonna give OKC the credit.

Shea Gilder's Alexander did what Shea Gilder's Alexander did all season long. Now you have the regular season MVP, scoring title championship in the finals MVP. It's been the first time in 25 years that somebody's done this. So congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder with their first championship since they moved to OKC. Congratulations to the organization and definitely shout out to Shay, but I did not like Indiana's body language going in, especially when you let, and don't get fucked up, he been doing this thing the whole series,

not just the whole series, since last year in the playoffs. TJ McConnell came in and scored 10, 12 straight points. They were going to him, he was the go-to. Where you at, Nees Smith? I know, um, Nimhart was on the bench, but for him to be the go-to is crazy. And like I said, Matherin and him had the most points and they didn't start the game. Okay. So on the flip, how do you guys feel about OKC being the champs? Because obviously I think it's well-deserved, but people have their different opinions.

I've been seeing people say who would carry a baby for nine months and name them Chet and then people are like they've only won because they've had key players face injuries. But what do you think about their win and their run this season? No, I think I think when it comes to this OKC team, this is a team that was potentially gonna be the champs all year long. I mean, they were the best team pretty much in the West for much of the year. So it's like they started out the best team in the in the West, ended up the best team in the whole league.

But they were already at that seat. They were putting pressure on people playing the best defense. Shay having a best breakout year that I've seen thus far from from like a point guard in this and this millennial run since Stephen Curry. Right. So he's he's out there getting 30 points pretty much per game, doing whatever he wants. And the thing that I love about Shaggy,

as GA is that when he's out there, he's not settling for threes. It's almost like the basketball I grew up watching. I'm going to impress my will on you. I'm getting to the basket whenever I feel like it. I'm taking whatever shot I want and you're not going to do nothing about it. And when you stop it, I'll switch it up. If you notice, he didn't shoot many mid mid range.

Everything was pretty much in the center paint, like from the foul line down. Every, every time he's busting the move, very seldom did he have to do a jump shot that was outside of that foul line elbow. And it, and that just speaks to the tenacity that he has as a player and his IQ that I'm not going to settle. That's what I love about his game. He doesn't allow people to make him take the shot they want him to have. And that's what I've seen with this team.

Because when once Williams came alive, this became a whole different team. It became inevitable that they're going to win the championship once he came alive. I think once he had that 40 game, even though he disappeared the next game, this is kind of what it takes for them to win. And I'm happy to see them win at such an early time. It should give us great confidence of where the NBA is going, because when you got a young championship team like this, they can only win another one at some point.

And exact questions? Yeah, basically how do you feel about OKC being the champs despite people feeling not the best about it? What is the, what are they not feeling? Them, they just said they got lucky in certain situations as Shea doesn't deserve it, Chet not that good. That's what makes you the champs. You know, people are always gonna do that.

People are always gonna do that. Listen, I just wanted to get a vibe because, because you know what? I hit the niggas sin after the game, right? This is good for niggas, you know, I hit the nigga after the game, I said, are you happy for Hardstein? He's a former Nick.

Are you happy for him? You could at least be happy for him. He said, not really. Niggas came and stole them from us. You know? They over here. I said, I said, stole them? He said, yeah, they stole them. I said, he was a free agent.

He coulda signed with y'all. He said, yeah, but nigga went over there for a little couple extra dollars. I said, a couple extra dollars? I said, he went over there for a couple extra dollars. I said, a couple extra dollars. I said, he went over there for a substantial amount of more millions and won. So it wasn't like he didn't take the money and won. He took the money and won.

He said, well, this is exact words. He said, well, ain't shit to do on OKC. Go have fun planting tomatoes tomorrow. Hey. Hey. I don't have that. Say it is real. No, I hate it. Yo, have fun planting tomatoes tomorrow. I said all I did was call and ask if you was happy fun, nigga. And then it turned into a whole shit.

We ended, you know how, we ended the conversation with, so when the last time you been to the dentist, nigga, it went from that to just how long we argued on the phone. I said, yo, I gotta go. Make a little story short. Whatever, they won the games.

You can be mad as much as you want, but you didn't win the games. What it is is that people superstars are not around. The superstars that you grew up looking at are not around. And older folks are not comfortable with it. That also goes to the marketing of the NBA. These guys are trying to market certain players, whether it's Ant-Man, whether it's John Moran at a time

whether it's Lugal whether still LeBron whether Steph Curry still Kevin Durant and none of these faces Are in the finals. So all year the people viewed been spent marketing and Promoting the NBA with his superstars. these aren't familiar faces in the finals. To be honest with you, you should have been marketing Shay Gilders Alexander way before this year. He's a, this is his third year making first team or NBA. So their marketing is terrible.

So now when niggas win, you like, these bum ass niggas, they don't even deserve it, living in cornfields. This is what people like saying, just to hate on the town. I said, I told the nigga, I said, you can say whatever you want to say. It's enough niggas there to fill up an arena. Yeah, but what they gonna do?

I said, first of all, if you grew up in OKC, this is gonna be a fantastic summer for that city. It's gonna be a fantastic summer. Secondly city. It's going to be a fantastic summer. Secondly, I'm pretty sure everybody on that team is going back home to where they live. I don't think it's anybody on OKC that lives in OKC. Dort, check, pardon me, not check, Dort, SGA, they going back to Canada, celebrate.

Check going to Minnesota, listen, niggas going home. I just seen the Joker at a horse races over there in Europe. Niggas going to do what they like to do. Niggas act like they stuck wherever they are, but I think OKC, I had a good time every time I went to OKC, I had a very decent time. So congratulations to y'all. If niggas don't like the champions, do something about it. Not only that, this is the youngest team

to win a championship in 48 years. They not going nowhere if they keep this team together. In 48 years, it hasn't been a team this young to win a championship. So you might get used to a lot of hate coming up. Yeah, definitely a lot of unwarranted hate. That's why I wanted to bring it up because I know some people on the other side are like,

oh, da da da da da, even though I definitely think they deserve it and to even add to that. So SGA wins finals MVP to add to his decorated season, including now being a champion, regular season MVP, Western Conference Finals MVP, league leading scorer in all NBA first team. So thoughts on the season that he has had.

That's what I, that's what I started by saying. I believe this was like a dream season for him. And you rarely see somebody get all of those accolades in the same season. I think the person that came closest to this was Allen Iverson or Michael Jordan, where you get the league MVP, the scoring champ, the East and the conference finals MVP and the, and the NBA MVP. I think Jordan is the only person that actually did that as well as probably. Let's say, um, or probably Colby, I think, but I, I, I'm, I'm for sure Jordan did.

Or probably Kobe I think but I'm for sure Jordan did I'm for sure that SGA did not even Iverson was able to complete that in in the fashion that he was playing He got three of them, but SGA is one of the first guys I've seen get all four of them You know even there was times when Stephen Curry who caught fire and he would get Certain, you know awards, but he wouldn't get all of them. And this is, this is one of those situations. I remember KD was like this on OKC, but they got to the finals and they lost. So this is a real, this is a, that's why I call it a dream season that you get a clear

boss then where you take home everything. Boss. Yeah. The exact question, just so I answer correctly. clear boss than where you take home everything boss. Yeah. The exact question just so I answer correctly. Yeah. How do you feel just about the season that SGA has had? Yeah, an outstanding season. But back to, back to what we was just talking about,

it's not being accepted like that because they're not marketing him correctly in the NBA. If this was LeBron James doing that, or if this was Kevin Durant doing that, or if this was Steph Curry doing that, or Ant-Man doing that, niggas would be going crazy losing their mind. But because it's SGA and he's not marketed

the way to me he should be, it's like, okay, that's what's up. That's how niggas treating it. Like it's not a super duper big deal. That's cool. The nigga won scoring champ, league MVP, wins the championship and gets final MVP. And first team.

Yeah, first team all NBA all in one season. Niggas like, I hear you. Heard, word, that's what's up. Nah, because they're not considering him a superstar. One season niggas like, I hear you, heard, word. That's what's up. No, because they're not considering him a superstar. And what you gotta realize is this, right? Everything moves on. Generations is really 10 years.

Do you take, like, I know it's longer generations. I'm talking about generational wealth orders. Generations is really 10 years. When you're five years old, you're not doing the same. When you're five years old, you're not doing the same, when you're 15 years old, you're not doing the same thing you're doing when you're five years old. When you're 20 years old, you're not doing the same thing that you was doing when you was 10 years old.

When you're 25 years old, you're most likely you're not doing what you was doing when you was 15 years old. And everybody grows and these kids grow up watching certain things. So when niggas get mad, be like, man, in my day, if you would have seen this nigga, Shabazz O'Neal, he was one of them niggas. Yo, nobody wanna hear that.

You gotta think about when you was little. I remember, I remember I was getting, you know, it was called a half moon jersey when I was getting the shit, haircut. And, you know, it was called a half moon jersey when I was getting the shit, a haircut. And you know, it's really a fade now. Like kinda similar to what Mase has, the haircut that Mase has.

I remember my grandfather said, there ain't nothing but a bowl cut. They put a bowl on your head and just cut around it. And that's the same thing we was doing. Nah, my nigga, I ain't put, nobody put a bowl on my head, boys. And cut my head, granddad. All right?

That ain't how my head cut, they faded it in and all that. Yeah, it's the same thing, it's not. It's not. But that's the point, things change and sometimes you get stuck in an era the way you enjoyed your life in that era and you're not paying attention what's going on.

I see these little kids, I seen it on the blog, they was interviewing, I had to say, they was eight or nine years old, football team in Florida. These kids are mad entertaining, they're great playing football, not only that, they got a little nigga who like eight, nine years old who does interviews. His interviews are hilarious. You think this nigga was 26 years old

the way he be talking. But more of the story is he's asking, he asked a few players, and these kids are eight or nine, yo, who your celebrity crush? And three of them was like, Lado. Nigga said, why you like Lado? Nigga said, she's slim thick. The nigga nod.

I'm gonna find the clip. I'm gonna find the clip. The nigga nod. Nine year old in another nine year old said, who your celebrity crush? Lado. Why, she's slim thick. All right, nigga walked off.

Nigga said, fuck, he know about slim thick. This nigga's the same age as him. Nigga nod. My nigga. But I don't even, youga, not, my nigga. But I don't even, you know, there's no disrespect, I see her face before, but I can't tell you a lot of if she's slim, thick, or not, cause I don't know.

And I heard her music, I like her music, I think it's dope. Glory to the Lord, I like all the new female artists. But I'm just saying, this a nine year old crush. You got somebody who may be 25, who you actually 30, who they celebrity crush and it might be Vivica Fox or somebody, you know what I'm saying? Shit changes and the NBA is not realizing that they need to find out who these people are liking,

not just liking, they know how to force people on you. You know, we in an era where you kids don't realize the choices that you have when it comes to a bunch of shit. Turn on your TV, it's a thousand channels. You wanna listen to music, you got a hundred options, titles, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon, all this shit. We had to listen to a radio and wait for that shit to come on, like, yo, I hope this shit,

I used to get a blank tape, and push record, and leave just hoping one and two songs come on, because that was the only option you had. Nigga, I had a TV where I only had 13 channels, it wasn't over mode. You had to get up and fix the antenna and turn your channel. Like, until it show up. Yeah, exactly. But that's the point.

Shit changed, my nigga. That's what I'm trying to tell you. And niggas don't, and we're having trouble as a society letting go of our superstars who were before us because they're still playing good. They're still playing at a high level. Kevin Durant's playing at a high level. Steph Curry's playing at a high level.

And Braun James playing at a high level. But it's not equaling enough to game seven in June. That's, and it's crazy that you gotta say that because when you look at what SGA has done, right, there's only him and three other players that has done this in all of the NBA careers. Like, so when you think of Kevin Durant, you think of LeBron, you think of Steph, you think all of these people, Yannis, that are like phenomenal talents.

And he's one of the four that has done this is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Think of that. Then you got who else? Probably Shaq. Right. Shaq did the same thing. One all four in the same year. Not even Col Kobe did this. And then Michael Jordan did it four times. Four times Michael Jordan did it four times.

So that's why we put them where we put them. But the thing SGA is in that company and because he got there too early, you know how niggas hate when you're great too early. Niggas wish you'd get it later. And it's sad because he's not a, he's not a, like a bad guy. He's not a guy that walks around and try to talk crazy. So that's probably why he doesn't get the accolades,

cause he don't come with all the antics. He don't come with all of the drama. He got, you know, a Caucasian wife. He got, you know, so all of this plays into why people don't see it as that dangerous. And, you know, this generation like danger. They don't like organization. Fake danger, but yeah, for sure. Yeah. So using your exact words, right? Looking at all that SGA has done, you know, the people that not going to say you compared him to,

but kind of the names that he's around. Yeah. Is he still not fit the criteria for title town because he didn't run it twice? No, I mean, he's going to be in title town. I already know he's going to be in title town. Cause the way they won this championship, it even a league, my, my, my biasball IQ says the lead is softer. It didn't even look like they were really good players on the floor

I'm not gonna lie from what I know about basketball I don't know how I killer feels about it But when I was looking at the game the IQ doesn't look that high like the the mistakes They're making the passes that they were throwing like like the mistakes they're making the passes that they were throwing like Going to the basket to turn around and then get your shot block. That's crazy It's like the the money they're getting paid and can't get a basket off the dribble was was just mind-blowing pause for me And I think he's just a throwback player in a new league. So he's going to dominate for years to come because his game is the way we used to play back in the days.

I got the ball. I'm going to the rack until you stop me. You know exactly where I'm going. Figure it out. And the question. Yeah, basically the Mesa's point. How do you compare his game from back then to now? Then did you feel like the SGA? Yeah, or to Mase's point, how do you compare his game from back then to now? And then did you feel like the IQ was there?

Yeah, or was it? Yeah, great. Very good basketball IQ. The thing about it is when we sit there and compare back in the day to today, but and back to before I get to that, Mase had a great point. These IQs are super duper low. And I don't even think it's about IQs. I just think it's about the way these niggas is playing.

It was a play time. Reese Halliburton was going to the basket before he got hurt. I forget who was next to him. I don't know if it was Honestine or Chet or whatever. They were actually closing in on him, boys, but not to block his shot because they knew he wasn't going to shoot.

He drives to the basket. You're right there to throw it out for three. The nigga wasn't even able to reach the block to shot. You could have just shot the layup. And I'm like, bro, the way niggas is playing is stupid. This man open layups, but they're looking to drive and dish, and I get driving and dishing if you can't make the layup.

So, yeah, then back to, it was another play. You already know this shit drive me crazy. These niggas, when they're under pressure, the game is starting to get out of hand, but not all the way out of hand. It's still maybe Indiana's down 11 maybe, if that, maybe nine or 11. And they get a five second violation.

Bro. I'm tired of the out of bounds. I can't specify the out of bounds shit enough. How do you get a five second violation in distress? And I understand, this is game seven, you don't know how to get the ball in bounds by now. So yeah, the question one time, I just wanted to go to his point about IQ.

Yeah, basically comparing SGA's game to back then versus now. It's hard, it's really hard to say, pause, about certain people to play back then. Now look, it's a couple things that you have to realize, right? He seems pretty tough. He's, SGA is almost like,

SGA is almost like Kawhi London can't really read him. Facial expressions don't really change too much. He might smile when they're down. He doesn't give a lot of emotion, so it's hard to read him. But I don't know about, if he come down the lane and Charles Oakley elbow, you're in your throat.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if he's gonna be able to handle the bad boy pistons. Yeah. With the, you know, knees, elbows, hands, feet, all, everything, you know, so. Yeah, a lot of people fouling them

when they don't know who the foul is on. Exactly, so I don't know, but I would say yes, just because it's Poker Face, I can't read them, but it's not a lot of people who played today that could have played back there These niggas every if you pay attention, right? Every time a nigga don't get the call they don't even run back on defense. They like this looking at the rep Yeah, yeah, that was really a no call. Yeah, yeah, but what do you think? The ref gonna stop the play halfway up the court

and be like, hold up, hold up. I was bugging back there. Yeah, you weren't loud enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to call a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I second guessed it after the ball is halfway up the court and it's only 11 seconds on the shot clock

and you still like this. Bro, if they ain't call it, you gotta move on. I understand when the whistles blow and you have a car roll with the ref like, yo, my nigga, they wildin'. You ain't see that? Running up the court like this every time you don't get a call, all you doing is giving

the other team to have numbers on you on a fast break. So I don't know, I would say yes just because purely of his poker face, but it's not a lot of niggas that could understand, that would be able to play because they'd be like, I don't think this is basketball. Now what I will say is this, it's two things,

and people don't look at this side of the equation now. Before 2002, you had to play man to man. You couldn't play zone. Yeah, I was about to say that. And only, and listen, these niggas, that's another thing, the refs pissing me off. These niggas living in three seconds. I was literally counting niggas in three seconds

all day yesterday at that game, last night at that game. I'm like, niggas in there literally seven seconds. The refs don't call three seconds no more once in a while. Like, how's it work? Them niggas living in there. But what I will say to the credit of players today is that they have to play against a zone to where before 2002, 2003, you had to play man to man.

So to me, if you're an offensive player, a decent offensive player, you should be able to man. So, to me, if you're an offensive player, a decent offensive player, you should be able to score. You know, unless Patrick Beverly's guarding you, or Tony Allen, or somebody like that, Joe Dumars, Bruce Bowen, if you can score, you can score. I was watching some old basketball, just watching film and shit, and I seen, they played the Detroit Pistons,

Isaiah Thomas had a mismatch. And the other four players was at half court. All the way out, he was on the left side of the court and all of them was at half court. Cause if you wanna go double, you can run double, but you have to run from half court. Then when you run over there, your man can go. So right now to me,

defenses have built and helped because of the zone. As GA, if he's playing man to man too, in that era, I don't know if niggas could guard him man to man, depending on what team it was. So I'm gonna say more stories, yes, but people don't always look at that side of the equation that before 2002, you had to play man to man. And that's some time for offensive players

gonna be way easier than going against the zones that they have now. Okay, so now there's a little bit of a conspiracy theory forming so I kinda wanna get you guys' opinion on it. So there are three notable torn Achilles in the playoffs this season, that being Dame, Jason Tatum and now Halliburne. They all wear number zero jersey. So Mace, why do you think this is happening?

I didn't think about that. I thought it was just the low tops. Man, that's something to think about. It's definitely something in the number, but um, Definitely something in the number, but, um, cause if I think about Westbrook, when he was right there going crazy, he got hurt on and on the playoff run as well. So this is not the first time, um, something similar of that has happened. But when it comes to the number zero, I got to look into that. That's a, that's a great observation. Yeah. Well, swear number zero that zero that might get hurt next? They got whoever's wearing that number get rid of it.

I'm not hoping anybody gets hurt next. Get rid of that number. Whoever's wearing it. I know my boy play for the Vipers. You know, what's his name? Jalen Laque or something like that. Shout out to Jalen Laque. He just began dunks from everywhere.

But yeah, switch your number if you went in Zero, that might be a bad luck number. That's my dog. I can't, what do you think? Gilberto Rivas with Zero too. Yeah, it might be a bad luck number, might be a bad luck number. But he's the original, he's the original.

Agent Zero, Gil is nice. Gil's nice. Agent Zero. That's my nigga. Yeah, he was nice. Gil was nice. Agent Zero. That's my nigga. Yeah, he was the only one I seen torch Kobe. Yeah, then went to half court, took a bow in the middle of the fucking stable center for 60. Yeah, I'll fuck with Gil.

I don't know about the number zero like me, so I had to look into that a little more. But, you know, I had posted this on my page about the low tops, like Mesa, I have to look into that a little more. But, you know, I posted this on my page about the low tops, and some niggas agree, some niggas and they feelin', it's talkin' about you strainin'. What it is is that they're runnin' these players ragged. And this, that, and the third, and that's the data.

Look, man, I don't know what's the difference between the amount of games in 19, in 2025 from 1985? It's the same amount of game, it's the same amount of minutes. It's the same thing. You don't want your players to play that much. I'm talking about teams and people that's complaining. I'm talking about they run the players in the ground.

Get a bench. That's what you got a bench for so that you don't have to play your starting five 100 minutes a night, New York Knicks. That is something I think people are doing wrong because it used to be like eight, you suppose at least play like eight players, if you got a good team. And now it just seemed like they sticked about six or seven. And that's, that's the coaches fault for doing that.

Not just the coaches, the GMs, if you don't have players that you feel are credible, if you're just randomly just filling out the roster to fill out the roster, you gotta make sure one through 12 is good, bro. That's the job of the GM to make sure that, and then you're right, Murda, too. It's the job of the coach to figure it out.

So all y'all need to get- And get those guys minutes before they get to those big games, cause the person that's gonna carry the team, like we saw in that championship game, yeah, we talk about Will, J. Will, we talk about SGA, but the person that really made the difference was Dorke, how you say his name? Dorke, D-O-R-T.

Dorke, yeah. He was the one that he had a rainbow three, got another block, got the loose ball. It's those type of players that don't show up on all the stats, but that's the person that opened that game up, broke that game open. When it looked like they was just down six points, once he hit that three, then he gets another basket.

Then he got two steals when they was trying to come back and they was trying to cut the lead and those are the players that make the difference on them. Championship team. Every championship team have one like that. I remember back when the Lakers wanted in a bubble. It was Caruso doing the same thing. You're going to always have those kind of players, whether it's Rondo, whether it's Dwight Howard, you know, Scottie Pippen, and the list goes on.

Just players that always make the difference. Now, Scottie was way better than those guys, but I'm saying, he's always a person that's helping the team win. Yeah, back to what I was saying about the Achilles though. I feel really bad for Tyrese Halliburton. Because he didn't have to play. And niggas was telling me he probably shouldn't play.

Because he had that calf strain. Similar to the same thing kind of what Kevin Durant did when he had his calf strained. But you got to realize this, Tyrese Halliburton was in a no-win situation. If he didn't play games six and seven, oh, he soft-ass nigga, nigga sucker, little calf injury, nigga can't play game seven. But niggas knew this potentially could happen.

And I just want to give them credit for going out there and trying, knowing that this could potentially happen because now look at this situation. He's going, if this is, you know, they got to confirm it that if this isn't an Achilles, he's going the whole next season. It's a dub. And then what we were just talking about,

people that's gonna excel Pott teams that possibly could excel next season a few shows ago, the Pacers won't be one of those teams without him. You know, we were looking at the situation, think about this in the Eastern Conference next season. We have no idea what's going on with Milwaukee. The Sixers, I'm not putting them back up there like that until further notice.

You know, podcast P is back, podcasting. We gotta see how Joe LMB looks after taking the year off, getting surgery, so on and so forth. So I'm not sure that the NYXA should be solid. We know the Cavaliers, if they're, of course everybody's gonna get injuries, but if the Cavaliers stay injury free most of the year, we'll see where they're at.

Orlando's on the rise. We don't really know. So where is Indiana gonna fit? I was saying at the end of this year, they didn't start off good, but if they would have won this championship or it would have been a close game, everybody like,

the Pacers should be contenders next year. Without Halliburton, I'm not sure. I think next year, it comes back to the next actually. With all of these injuries with Tatum being out, but now Halliburton being out, podcast P. I don't think they end up losing to Orlando if that's their contenders or if they have to play the Cavs, they won't lose to the Cavs.

I think this might be a blessing in the skies for the New York Knicks since they're reaching out, the coaches doing their due diligence toicks since they're reaching out the coaches, doing their due diligence to make sure they get the right coach. Shout out to the Knicks. Maybe this their year, maybe this is. That's a great point Mase,

cause you don't have to deal with, you're dealing with a pace of free hollaburd. Yeah. You're dealing with a Celtic team with no Jason Tatum and the question marks around all the other teams that matter, I agree. This is a great point. This might be a breakout year.

If you don't do it now, come on now. Yeah, but it is, but it's the next two. This is why they're taking their time, you know, to get a coach, to get a good coach. And not only that, like you guys are saying that maybe this is their time after all these people are out. Like that's when people are gonna say it doesn't count for real.

I mean, it's gonna count, but it's not gonna count. Oh, nah, it's gonna count. See, that's where the biasness comes in. If New York wins it, the whole Eastern Conference could be injured. They're not gonna discount a New York Championship. New York wouldn't care who the fuck is not playing. They will not care.

Let me say one more thing, man. I'm gonna say one thing. The niggas sin, the niggas sin, you know, he's been around me lately and starting to get a little more cautious when it comes to superstition and karma and stuff like that. So he doesn't really say too much like he used to when it's little shit. So when this shit happened yesterday with Tyrese Halliburton, he mentioned a mutual

friend of ours. He's like, yeah, so and so just called me laughing about the Halliburton shit. So I'm like laughing with him and all that. I said, yeah, I said, I don't really think that's funny. He said, oh no, he said, I wanted to laugh. He's just, you over here be jinxing me after I laugh and all that. I said, what you talking? You wanted to laugh at a nigga getting injured,

popping their Achilles? He said, he over here doing the choke sign and all this crazy shit. He making fun of us and all that. I said, but that's not wishing anybody gets hurt. He said, yeah, well, each his own. But that's the point stat. This is where niggas are not gonna care about nothing.

They'll figure out a way to make their self feel good about niggas being hurt and everything else if they win. That's, we don't, I don't like that. I think the niggas are putting together a magical year. Now that I see all these injuries, they might be putting together a magical year. Not even magic, I'm not rocking with it. Anyways, so Kevin Durant will complete

the NBA uniform rainbow after this new trade. We will discuss after the break. Welcome back. So it's official the Suns traded Kevin Durant to the Rockets for Jalen Green. Dylan Brooks, the number 10 pick in the 2025 draft and five future second round picks. Mace, in your opinion, who won this trade? If anybody really won this trade, I definitely would say it was Houston because they got Kevin Durant. I don't think this really helps. Helps the team of of when it comes to Phoenix, because they already had two wing players and now they're adding two more wing players.

Unless they're going to make another move, this could potentially work for them in a in a greater way if they got a plan of how to move one of those wings. Because right now they have they already have the Booker. They they then they don't seem like anybody wants to trade with them for Bradley Bill. So I'm not sure what they're doing with Dylan Broke in and with Jalen. I know Jalen is definitely going to be inserted into the starting lineup. But the West is stacked right now. The West is not a place to be right now unless you got somebody that other

people can't guard him right now. These are just interchangeable players right now until proven differently. But I love the way this is front court look of Houston right now. When you look at a man, you look at some goal and now you put KD right there with them. This, this team is very dangerous. If they get any kind of back court play, if they pick now, they need to pick up some kind of streaky shooter that could play the two for them and they'll, they'll really be a championship team.

I don't think nobody really could beat them if they get the right to guard You said one to trade a front court everybody 611 sagoon you got your boy Smith be 611 Kevin Durant 611 Thompson you know I understood us me and choice was talking about was like, if they would have kept telling Dylan Brooks, it would have been really, really good. But Thompson is pretty good on defense as well. And they got Vlan Fleet, he's also a champion. I think their bench is decent. They got, they just signed

E-Made to a long-term extension. This would be, this is a really, really good trade for Houston to win now and in the next year or two. As far as Phoenix is concerned, you got three niggas who do the same thing. You got Bradley Bill and Devin Booker, which you see already isn't working. We'll see what happens if Bradley Beale stays there.

And then you got, you know, he's a good wing player too, Jalen Green. But you know, we've seen what he did in the playoffs and that's why he became an asset to trade for Houston. Cause they're like, maybe he'll get it one day, but it doesn't look like he's going to get it anytime soon. So think about that started lineup right there. If you're doing a three guard,

and we know that Jalen Green could be potentially moved to small forward at two, but if you're doing a three guard offense, I don't see where you improve at with this trade if you're Phoenix. And unless it's just unloading Kevin Durant pause to get him out of the situation, but I don't think that this is a decent move

at all for Phoenix. I don't see them beating anybody with this lineup that they have on their ass to ass constructer. There's a lot of time left for them to make some moves, but as of right now, Houston definitely won the trade. Okay, and then just in general, how do you guys feel about teams who trade a young star for an older superstar? Do you typically like that, or you feel like it typically doesn't work? What do you guys feel about teams who trade a young star for an older superstar?

Do you typically like that or you feel like typically doesn't work? What do you think? It depends on who the star is. You know, I think definitely this is what Jalen Green needed to go on, take the off summer and come back an animal. You know, like when, when people trade you, especially as a young star, it makes you go out there and show people what you're really supposed to become. I think for Kevin Durant, if Kevin Durant is available, you got to make this trade no

matter who you had to trade for. Because if you're trying to win now, it boils down. We saw that with SGA. If you got to play on the floor that could get a bucket, normally the best player is going to win the series. And that's what it comes down to. Yeah, the coaches and X and O's is one thing, but when it all boils down to it,

it's who's actually better as a star. That's, you know, that's a, this question I don't really even know how to answer because this is what I was talking about with marketing. Is Jalen Green a star? Because he got commercials and he got a good image. He got the hair and the good braids. He's tall.

He paints his nails. He got endorsements. See, he's a basketball star. That's not in these playoffs. Not just past. So when Stat asks us a question, like, when you trade an older superstar for a younger superstar, who's the younger superstar that you're referring to?

Any star. A TV star? Cause I'm not gonna give him a basketball star. Gotta get image, you know. You know, I can see the bitches fucking with him, but not in the playoffs. You're not a star, bro. It's a, that's, this is what,

this is what drives me crazy about marketing. He has great marketing. Cheetos, little Eggos, little whatever endorsements he got, and then don't produce an NBA. This is when it counts. So is he a star? If you wanna do a movie, you wanna do a TV show or commercial, yeah.

Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, I over, the nigga I over, double digits, one times in a play. I'm not counting as a basketball star. If he was a little bit of a star, he used to win the guy riddle because they said, look, he's young and he has time. He'll be all right. Over double digits one time in the playoffs,

niggas said, yo, we could trade this nigga and try and get this shit done in the next couple years. See if KD's available, because this nigga don't get it. I'm tired of just, know if his baby mama keep pulling up, asking where to take, nobody got time for that.

Get him out of here, man. I think C. Ockham became a star in his playoff. C. Ockham became a star. J. Will is on his way. He look like he's moving in that direction, but definitely see I can became a star. Are you ready to say Halliburton became a star or not not yet killer?

Halliburton? He's Yeah, I like Halliburton in stars. Look, we don't have to just become adjusted to what stars do and the way stars act and the way they dress and so on and so forth. That's why I said niggas be stuck in certain generations and they don't understand what the modern day star is. You know what I'm saying? The modern day star may be wearing Vans when he's not playing basketball.

You know what I'm saying? Like, nigga might curse you out 22 years ago for wearing Vans. They might've called them Skippies, but they fashionable now. It's cool. Like you got- Ninja slippers.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You're real nigga. You know I'm a ninja slipper. Yeah, exactly. But I got Vans too. I'm just saying like niggas,

center be pissed off. You see niggas. This is Vans. This is. I'm just saying like niggas, center be pissed off, you see niggas. This is what I'm trying to say. A word that's just you wearing. Yeah. Yo, this nigga, call me Yorkie Cam now, I'm a sucker.

I could have got at least a bulldog, a pit bull. I don't want to clean up pit bull shit. Nobody got time for that, my nigga. But I'm just giving you an example. Like, Jaylen Green, the regular season, he averaged 21 points. And then averaged a single single in the playoffs. Me personally, I'ma be honest with you. Me personally, I woulda gave him another summer.

If I'm Houston. Been like, yo, come on man. Come on, leave Big Mom home,. Come on. Leave leave big mom home We get it we was with it when he was ballin We averaged the 21 points in the regular seat. She got my tickets. They was waiting their will call and all that on You know when you don't do good they your parking space get moved and then the ladies get moved. Yeah. You can start playing with the ticket,

it was supposed to be three. It was only one under my name. Exactly. Then you start trying to call, they only got one ticket here from me, I went to girls. He on the left line now. I'm telling you, dude.

I think he's start telling you, yo, one, for real? I left three up there. I don't know why. Tell her to check again. Yeah, exactly. We'll definitely have to see how the trade plays out. I think that the Rockets won as well. I don't know what's going to happen for the Suns, but we will see. Unfortunately, that is all the time that we have for today.

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But before we end guys, I have gifts because I think everything is a celebration So I'm gonna give it to y'all so y'all can open it. I don't like surprises Well, thank you. I see that. What kind of gift is it? Surprises are good. Well thank you, Stapp. I appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. I have faith in you, Stapp. Okay, thank you. What is this?

I might like surprises. Thank you, Stapp. Look at this, Stapp. Yo, Stapp, was this free though? They gave you this and now you're giving it to us? No, no, no. Listen, listen, listen. So, let me make this clear, right? This is free merch. After being accepted to Titletown U, I had to get a gift for one boss.

And then for the other boss, congratulations on your new deal. I'm not supposed to say proud or murder? Congratulations on your new deal! Well, I didn say proud or murder? Congratulations on your new deal! Well, I didn't know that, but now you have a second bear. Come on, now you're being unreasonable, basically. Come on, man. I was just- Stat, thank you so much, man.

Gifts for my bosses. They bossed me up, so I had to get them gifts for our season finale, but of course, we'll see y'all. I didn't wanna say nothing. I seen the Gucci flip-flops. Yeah, they're not the ones that I had in college. Thank you, Stockex. You want this Stockex for your boy?

Yes. I appreciate this. Stockex helped me hook you all guys up. I said, I need to get you all a gift. So here we are. Is this a free plug for Stockex? No. No.

Oh, nah, these are cost a few dollars. You dipped into the cart. But definitely shout out to Socket because they helped me get it right. Yeah. I am very, very grateful, Sted. Thank you so much, man. You can't let Pusha T say that boy can rap now.

Listen, man, this is really, really dope. Oh, I got some Travis Scott's in my house that I'm not even opening because every time I look online, the price go up. I can't even show these. What the hell is this? When I wear them, they gonna be like, hey, you wearing this sneakers, stat, got you.

Thank you, stat. I think that's dope, personally, thank you. Yeah, you can't do nothing. I'm gonna be mad at this box. Why? Louis in Prada stat? Oh shit, man. The. The Protestant, oh shit. Hey yo thanks, thank you so much man.

Thank you man. And we had the whole Tim's conversation. I don't know the difference but I think those are the correct ones. Not the single solo, whatever he was talking about. And they're Louis. They gotta be designers. Thank you man. You're welcome.

I swear to God, I don't want to be like Mace man. I got these joints though. But I don't wanna, y'all swear to God, I don't wanna be like Mace, man. I got these joints though, but that ain't nothing wrong with having two pair of these. I don't wanna, I'm two pairs, always nothing wrong with having two pair of buttons. Clean pair, you're welcome.

That's why I got a clean pair of horses, cause y'all taught me that too. Thank you so much, that, I got on cream, I can't hug y'all taught me that too. Thank you so much, Steph. I got on cream. I can't hug you with makeup. Yeah, man. Thank you so much. Yo, bears are hilarious. That's all I have to say.

Yo, man, this is really nice. I haven't gotten a gift this expensive in a long time. This is really nice. Yeah, man. I do got these glasses, but I really appreciate it. Yeah. Nah, because you know what? I want to say what Mase says here. No, I thought somebody have any glasses, but I really appreciate it. Yeah. Nah, because you know what? I want to say what Mace says.

I thought somebody stole my glasses, so I think they must have returned them. She put darker lenses in them. Thank you, Stad. I really appreciate this, man. You're welcome. Like I said, John bossed me up. As you can see, Stad, Mace doesn't even have to accept the gift. He's like, oh, you've earned the stolen ones.

They actually got the, yes. These are really nice, Seth. Yes, you're welcome. This is me showing my appreciation. Thank you so much. Because y'all, it's up. Thank you so much, Seth. We're up.

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