IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE WOMEN'S ELITE 8 WAS INCREDIBLE & HOW SHOULD YOU HANDLE EXPECTATIONS? | S3 EP64

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

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by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. They'll also match your first deposit up to $100 and you get a special pick when you sign up i'm treasure wilson aka stat baby along with your hosts mace and cam killer what's good what's good man how you you all right what's the word man yeah man it's good to have you back your zoom day's running out no i check my neck all the time, man. You just was on Zoom the other day. You was on Zoom yesterday, man. You got mad

Zoom days, B. I didn't forget you went on a tour back to back for like 27 days. I spread my shit out a little bit. Sprinkle mine in 40 voice. Sprinkle mine a little bit. That was crazy. If you want to follow me, you were hacked and said that you lick niggas paws or some shit. sprinkle mine a little bit that was crazy that was crazy that was crazy

that was crazy you gonna spread yours out that was crazy you gonna spread yours out like the taste niggas you gonna spread yours out you gonna spread yours out that may be true but right now

what do you mean when you say you gonna spread yours out I just would like to know what you think I said I spread my day What do you mean when you say you're going to spread yours out? I just would like to know what you think. I said I spread my days out. I said I spread my days out. Now you're fantasizing. That's what that's called. You're fantasizing.

It's a category called fantasizing. And that's what you're doing right now. You're taking it too far you're fantasizing at this point but I'll find if this is how we start I have no problem with that bro I'm with it pause just making sure you

you're back yeah I am I ain't going nowhere what's your shirt say what's your shirt say can I come see your shirt just make sure alright What's your shirt say? What's your shirt say? What does shirt say, Nick? Can I come see your shirt? Just make sure he's thinking.

All right, all right. We clear. Just making sure we clear. I'm dead. Well, we're not going to. Real quick, real quick stuff before we start. Yeah. Big shout out to my homegirl, Michelle. Me quick, real quick stuff before we start. Yeah. Big shout out to my homegirl, Michelle. Me and Macy's homegirl, actually.

Michelle, she has a tournament up in Harlem called Bowling Up in Harlem. It starts Father's Day. The winning team gets $30,000. Second and third place gets prizes also. It's also going to be 12 and under and girls basketball too. All the unlimited spots are taken out right now. But yeah, it's going to be big. Marcus Garvey, Park, Ballin' Upper Harlem,

Sharda Michelle, a.k.a. Queen of Harlem. And you know it's going to go right some type of way because when I look, when she sent me who's involved, Hunk is still involved. Hunk found some way to get Hunk. Nigga. Yeah.

Nigga, Hunk is still getting the budget. Hunk said, you know I got to do the shirts. You didn't. First of all, no uniforms. Nothing like that goes through Harlem without coming through her office, man. So, yeah, shout out to Michelle, queen of Harlem.

Make sure y'all check her tournament out called Ballin' Up in Harlem at Marcus Garvey Park. The first game will be Father's Day, man. So, big shout out to her for keeping doing that thing in Harlem, man. Making us look good. Yeah big shout out to Huff for keeping doing that thing at Harlem, man. Making us look good. Yeah. Shout out. Dope. Okay, so y'all know we got to start the top of the show

with the women's basketball games that happened last night. The Elite Eight games went crazy. Monday was a stacked schedule. There was LSU versus Iowa, UConn versus USC. LSU lost to Iowa as people were, Angel Reese versus Kaitlyn Clark. 94-87.

Just in general, what did you guys think about the game as a whole? And did you think the energy was there? And did you think Mace called it? Did he call it? Mace did put in text that he had Iowa. Yeah. It was almost a given when I looked at her wearing my number 22 you know Caitlyn Clark is wearing my number and before Cam gets involved pause they call a Caitlyn Killer Clark she's running with your name, Killer. So she had my number and your name.

So I knew they was going to win. I'm just going to leave it right there. One lady said, what's her name? Carter up at ESPN. She said, it's like a virus. When she gets going, you just got to live with it. It was crazy because in the beginning when they jumped out to the league, it was looking like it was going to be a blowout pause. And then they came back with great energy. Johnson started balling. And then Angel Reese was looking like she was being dominant after that first time out. And it just seemed like they just found their stride. And whenever somebody who normally get 10 get 20, you're probably going to lose

because they had people playing at an all-time high, especially the people that were role players. They really did their job. And I think me and Killer was talking about that one day. I was like, you know, people on the team, all you got to do is stand there and hit a three and we're going to win. That's the only thing you got to do. Hit about three threes. And she did exactly that. So I think this really, really, really is bad for LSU because Iowa wanted that get back for last year. I got more to say, but I'm going to let Kayla talk,

and then after that, I'll share the rest. Use what I have to say to act like you got more to say. No problem. No, I do got more to say. This is what we do every day. This is what we do every day. I don't have time for this. No problem.

I can just go. No problem. Use what I say. Use what I say. I we do every day. I don't have time for this. No problem. I can just go. I'm trying to throw you an assist. Okay. I don't need it. I don't need an assist. I don't need an assist. Okay. I'm Kobe tonight.

I'm Kobe tonight. I'm no longer throwing assists. I'm scoring now. Okay? Okay. Yeah, because I don't remember nothing you're talking about. I didn't get the text this time. I didn't get the text.

So, I didn't get that text. That's when I'm right. Yeah. Show get the text I didn't get the text so he never remembers when I'm right yeah show me the text it's just it's just it's just it's just

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Oh. Oh, how convenient. Yeah, how convenient. In case they don't win, right? That's how you see it. In case they don't win, you didn't see it. You would have said, Kim, that wasn't for you. I was going to tell you what really was going to happen.

That was something different for them. I mean, it was, it was acting, it was acting really like, you know, they were really acting like they was dogs. So I feel like they should have came and played like dogs. And that, that wasn't the case that night. I think Angel Reese played a great game. But once you start being a target, you got to take everything that comes with that. You got to take everything that comes with that. Once you start trash talking and doing this and all of that, When you trash talk, people don't show you sympathy when you lose. You know that.

That's what else I wanted to share. You said when people get 10 and 20, you usually win. What does that mean? I mean, when a role player who normally gets 10 points per game end up having like 21. They're probably going to win because they're playing the best game of their lives. And remember, we was talking about, I think it was, what's the dude named? Edie or something like that.

I was like, if he got somebody to hit two or three threes, that's all they got to do to win the game. So when you're playing with star players like that, all the role player got to do is get nine or ten out of nowhere, ten extra points to win a game. Yeah, I agree with that. Everybody needs to play their role there. Iowa really shocked me. The role players, that's what I was asking me, so he's talking about.

And he's 100% correct. The role players came out from the jump got involved early um hit some key shots uh kaylin clark came out from the beginning um running and gunning we already knew what she was coming to do pause but the role playersace said, they really stepped up when they needed to step up. Terrible, terrible rebound there output by Iowa. They need some big people bad, some big girls down there bad because they are terrible on the rebound. And I'm not, they might've just should've lost

off offensive rebounds they let get away anyway. But the game was exciting mason called it to a t it looked like iowa was gonna get blown out uh um kim coach kim called um yeah yeah and she came out angel reese came out. They came out beasting on defense. Then they took the lead. And I was like, okay, this don't look good for Iowa. Then Iowa caught a little river. And at halftime, we was all tied up.

So I was like, whoever come out in this third quarter is going to win this game. And that's what Iowa did. I think Kaylin Clark hit four threes in the third, hit her first three in a row, three threes in a row. And you could tell the difference. You could tell who was on another plateau and who was still living off the

height from last year. And Kaylin Clark just looks like every day she wants to get better. It isn't about this game, last tournament, practice the day before yesterday. It looks like she wants to be better at 1 a.m. than she was at midnight. And that's the attitude it looks like when I see her play. Like, y'all, I didn't know that.

Nah, that's a good point. At 1 a.m., she want to be better. Yeah, than what she was at midnight. So when you see that on somebody's face, look, she could have carried on. Her father did it for her. I was waiting for all this. Yeah. I was waiting for the.

That never happened. But you see her father in the crowd doing the Tony Yayo and all that. So I was happy to see all that because before the game, Angel Reese was like, look, me and Caitlyn cool, but I ain't got no friends in between the lines. When we go on the court, I'm friends with nobody.

And I like that attitude. I thought that was nice, but I see after the game when everybody was giving each other five, she tried to whisper and give Caitlyn a little and Caitlyn was like, nah, I'm good.

I'm good. I don't want to whisper anything. I just want to shake hands yeah and go cut the neck down i'm cool i'm cool on the whisper i'm good i got i got other games to play yeah go whisper in the dark yeah yeah i got something to do, man. You enjoy it. But what I will say is this before we move on,

because I know we're probably going to go to the next game. But what I will say is this. Angel Reese did her thing, man. She really did. To me, and she did decent, too. The girl, Flage. Flage. Yeah, she did her thing. Flage. She did all right. The girl, Flage. Flage. Yeah, she did that thing.

Flage. She did alright. She wasn't Scotty. She wasn't Scotty the last night. Pardon me. What wasn't she Scotty to you? The eye test. I didn't look at her numbers. I watched

that game from beginning to end she had some key blocks she made some key some key shots as well in the first half as well but Scottie would

Scottie if Mike couldn't do it Scottie would say I got him you know they nobody you know

they put that that poor little white girl on Caitlin Clark and get destroyed like that. And she went like this. When she did this, I knew they was going to lose. When somebody hit a shot on you and it's like, what do you want me to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, they left that girl out there in the woods, man.

They did our worst in hustle and gretel, my nigga. Like, there was no reason for her to be out there in the woods, man. They did. They did. I worked the hustle and gretel, my nigga. Like, it was no reason for her to be out there like that. They need, she needed help. And somebody like Flo should have stepped up and said, yo, nah, I got her. I got her. But I get it. Trust me, I get it.

That's exactly what's supposed to happen. If you Scotty and you Flo, you're supposed to say, you know what, I'm from New Orleans. I'm the one that shut all this down. Yeah, and I didn't see that. And what happens is this, it's two things. You're like, I'm not getting embarrassed out here, which is one thing where I got an attitude like that all the time

because, you know, I took pride in my defense. If a nigga caught me slipping, pause, and he caught me, I get shook. I get shook. Secondly,

that's one thing getting embarrassed. Two is to get embarrassed by a white girl. Exactly. You was talking about that earlier in the season. You better not let that white girl come out here. It's just nothing you can say in the neighborhood. It's nothing you can go back to the hood and say.

Right. I've seen them people from the hood, people perishing there with their hands on their hips. The LSU parents just looking in disbelief. I've seen the Afros fly

in the head, not done. I knew parents was in there. I I seen the Afros fly in the head. Not done. I knew parents. I'm not saying they respond, but I knew I seen them purple shirts and their hands on their hips like this. I got that little girl running around here going crazy. Yeah.

Cause you know, when you get home, maybe we should just call Caitlin Clark to finish cooking up shit here tonight. Because she's been cooking all damn week. And you should just do the dishes. Maybe that's what we should just call to finish cooking. Because I'm hungry. You got to deal with that shit in the black household, man.

So I didn't like the eye test. I don't know if her numbers are different. I know she had a couple key shots, couple blocks, but it wasn't the rapper

Flage. It wasn't, it wasn't the sidekick that Angel Reese. Yeah. It was, okay, I'm going to get a couple

moments in that lead eight that could get me to the final four. And it just wasn't cutting it. She had 23 though. She did have 23. My bad. Like I said, I'm not

knocking the numbers. I'm going off the eye test. I didn't know how much she had. And for those that are watching, the eye test says you could have 30 points, but if how it looks is what we're going off. Because you can have 10 points in a blowout, right? Pause at the end, and those 10 don't count.

And then you add another group of points over here, which was pretty much give me baskets. But it really didn't affect the game. Right. Thanks for breaking that down too, Mace. I say that a lot and people may not. I never actually gave an explanation on what that really means. So thank you for interpreting that to our audience

so they understand. Let me ask you a question real quick. How much did Angel Reese have? She had about 17. 17 and 20 rebounds. 20 rebounds. 20 rebounds. She was looking like she was rebounding. So that's what I'm saying, Mace.

And I know the rebounds count, but Kaitlyn Clark had more than them combined. Yeah. That's the problem. That's what I'm saying. That's the problem. That's what I'm saying when I say the eye test. When I say the eye test, I've seen the rebounds,

and I knew she had, I think she had like 12, 13 in the first half, but I seen the second half when our third quarter started. I didn't see anybody on that court that wanted to compete with her. So even though it didn't seem like Flage. Flage? Flage. Flage. Flage.

Flage. Flage. Flage, Flage, Flage, Flage, pardon me. Even though it seemed like, OK, it looks like she got a steal. She got a block. She got some points. It's not equal to what Caitlin Clark is doing on our test. When I test, then you go to the box store and we're not diminishing where rebounds or assists or steals or any of that means, but if we're going off points and Angel Reese is this all-star and Flage is this

up-and-coming all-star and she got more than them combined and an elite eight to go to the final four, this is the difference between all-stars and superstars. Yeah. On the biggest stage possible, against the biggest

competition possible. They give the biggest output possible with the least amount of talent probably on any team in the NCAA. No disrespect to our teammates, but it is what it is. She just had her shoulders above everybody

else out there. So congratulations to Iowa. Yeah, congratulations, God, to Iowa. And thank you for showing up to LSU. And this goes back to the conversation we had earlier in the season when Angel Reese was not present on that team and we was trying to figure out where was she. It's these moments when you lose, it comes back to those things that didn't allow you to have that continuity that you needed here today.

And it's almost like the guy playing on a free throw line that the coach is telling everybody to shoot free throws, and then you end up losing the game with those free throws. I'll say that for that game for LSU, obviously Angel Reese was the best defensive player on that team, and Flage was the best offensive player. She did outscore everybody on her team. But going back to the game, I'm actually putting a lot more blame on LSU's coach.

Because, yeah, I feel like during that game, Kaitlyn Clark is an amazing two-way player. She was unstoppable. She was the person that needed to be beat for LSU to win. And I think they took way too long to make adjustments to their game plan. Because why is, you know, Haley game plan because why is you know Haley Van Van Lith trying to you know guard against Kaitlyn Clark knowing that she's she was she was too small she looked like she was struggling and they're flaming her on Twitter right now because

she didn't look good like that was not a good performance from her and that's not the best of her she actually is a good player but when you see that game it looks like she can't do nothing like it looked like she's not ready for a game like that. And that's not something that you need to see for an LSU team. So I feel like that should have been stopped way earlier, closer to fourth quarter than they started trying to put two people against Kaitlyn Clark. They should have did that way earlier in the game because trying to do that last minute, it's like,

that's not going to work. Like Kaitlyn Clark's already on a roll. You're not stopping her from the long range. Kaitlyn Clark doesn't even need to get into the paint. She can shoot from, you know, from the three way back. Like they should have been stopping her from the long range. Kaitlyn Clark doesn't even need to get into the paint. She can shoot from, you know, from the three way back. Like they should have been stopping her. So I felt like that came down to the coach to be like, look, we're going to do this. We're going to change this around.

Yes, you know, Angel Reese is playing aggressively in the paint, which is great. But Kaitlyn Clark is not there. Yeah, I could have won that game as the coach, honestly. All they needed to do was go to the classic 1-3-1 defense zone and put somebody tall at the top of that 1-3-1. So then Kaitlyn Clark would not be getting that set shot off against somebody that's taller because they would change that shot. Every time and every time she would swing it and the ball would end up in the corner, the way it works, the faster person that's on the other side would drop back. And then everything they were doing would be shut down. All you had to do was make it to where Kaitlyn Clark drives.

If she drives, they don't beat you. Because even there was other tall young ladies on that team that could have changed the shot as well. other tall young ladies on that team that could have changed the shot as well but when you got somebody small on a six foot guard that is prolific right you that was a recipe for disaster if i was coaching that team even if we was going man to man the first person that's supposed to be guarding her from the jump is flow flagey well, yeah, it is supposed to be flogging. And they're supposed to be denying her the ball. Somebody's supposed to be denying her the ball. We're going to make

somebody else beat us. She's not even going to touch the ball for at least six minutes of each quarter. And if somebody's running around just guarding her, they would have been up 18 at least. Yeah, because at that point, it just became way too easy for Iowa.

Kaitlyn Clark not even at the three-fold. She's... Yeah, because if you kick the ball out of her hand, everybody else is erratic. They're running around trying to get shots. And I don't want to give the play of how to beat Iowa, but that's an easy team to beat if you understand,

if you understand coaching. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say easy, but I get what you're saying in that aspect, yes, but Kaitlyn Clark is a generational talent and that's why

she is so good at what she does because she performs well in big moments like this. I know. Would have been very different if LSU would have took the, took the dub instead,

but for them winning, it's like, all right, like Kaitlyn Clark, regardless of whether her teammates perform well or not, she does this. She can't score without the ball. Yes, that too, but still, like, I'm just saying that, yes, that could be fixed with coaching. They could have definitely stopped her earlier on, but with that mentality, the way that she plays, the way that she performs, her humbleness, just everything about how she performs shows that,

like, regardless, and I get it, she needs the ball to score that's when you need a Pat Beverly type player that just stays on her, doesn't let her get the ball, that's your only job she doesn't get the ball, and every time she gets the ball you double, and she gotta kick the ball to somebody else somebody else is gonna beat us tonight

it's not gonna be Caitlin Clark that's the overall consensus of understanding. You said Della Dovich. Yeah, one of them type of names. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, definitely shout out to Iowa. Next game we got to discuss,

UConn beat USC 80-73. Hold on real quick. Hold on real quick. Sorry. What's her name? And you know, I'm super, I'm pro-Black.

I love giving Black women opportunity. I love Black people. You know that. And I see why Stat won the NCAA PC Award. Took the onus off the black girls and put it on the white lady. And said,

it's not Angel Reese Ford and Flyin' J Ford. It's the white coach Ford. I didn't say that specifically. That's fucked up. We call that reverse racism on this show. If you look back,

a lot of things didn't make sense. And that was one of them that people weren't talking about. The coach, yes, you know, Angel Reese could have performed better. Flage could have performed better.

But at the end of the day, it's up to Kim Oki to be like, this is what we're doing. Let's get it right. Because everybody would just... I don't think there was so much... I don't think there was a lot more that

Angel Reese could have done. Because she was already close to a 2020 game. That's what she's supposed to show up with. It was those moments. I'm telling you, it was a defensive moment where you take over the game. It's like we're here to win the game. Everybody knows that championship sells. I mean, offense sells tickets, but championship, I mean often sells tickets but championship

I mean defense win championships you get what I'm saying yeah you gotta have defense yeah I have defense and when it come down to that it's like they gave up all of these rebounds and she it was just poor defense on both teams and she just shot them out the gym. But when you got that many big bigs on the team and people with that much wingspan on the wings, they supposed to challenge all those shots. But you had the little people up front. This is that game where somebody who normally plays does not play. We're here for the win. So if you're not getting it done, you got to come out the game. I would have definitely put, I don't know who was the other big up there,

but whoever was moving agile, number 12 or one of them, on top of that key. Who was that? Matt Racist. That's all I was just telling you. I don't think so. Yeah, you're definitely racist. If you look back, you're going to be like, why didn't they change the play earlier?

She's a champion. She's a champion before she even got to LSU. She got championships before she got there. Right. Well, didn't she coach Baylor? One of them teams. Yeah, won the championship. Yeah, yeah.

Won the championship. Don't throw Kim Markey under the bus like that or some black shit. It's cool. I went all that. It's cool. I dig it. Stat. All right, y'all.

Next game. UConn beat USC 80-73. What do you guys think about the Huskies advancing to the Final Four? That was not as surprising as the first game, even though I picked them i mean right now everybody knows that yukon okay is gonna is gonna be should be in the chip in both categories men and women um i think it's a foregone conclusion i can was talking about it the other day when he was talking about

how they said it's Connecticut versus the Phil. So they basically think that they should be playing against themselves if they don't mess up as men. And I think the women, they're

not as good as the men, but the only teams that could beat them is South Carolina. I don't think there's anybody else that could beat UConn women. Now, UConn will make the defensive change against Kaitlyn Clark. Watch and see what I tell you. Geno going to be listening to me. What's his name? Geno going to be listening to me. What's his name? Gino going to be listening to me.

Gino Smith you said. Gino steak and cheese. Gino Philly cheese steak better be listening to me. Make a difference. I'm telling you. You don't want to be sad going home. And we already know what needs to happen. Killer, who you got in the women's?

I got South Carolina winning everything. But as far as, this is a game I want to see. I don't have a tick. I went on Connecticut and Iowa. I'm going to have a tick. I went on Connecticut and Iowa because to me, Kate McClark is by far the best player in college basketball right now. But Gino Auriemma, the head coach of the Connecticut Huskies females team,

not Gino Smith, he's going around saying he got the best playing college basketball. Talking about Paige. And she might have been considered the best at one time or the best prospect, but she got hurt for a year and a half. And while she's been hurt, everybody's been coming around. You have the Juju

Wattses. You have the Caitlin Clarks. You have the Angel Reeses. You have the Flageys. You have the Juju Watson's, you have the Caitlin Clark's, you have the Angel Reese's, you have the Flage's, you have all these new players that's been coming up since she's been hurt. And Gino been going around pumping since the tournament started that

he has the best female college basketball player right now in the world. So he doesn't know what anybody else is talking about. And for them to get to the final four right now in the world so he doesn't know what anybody else is talking about and for them to get to the final four right now being a great usc team they had a great run uh they are now plenty of time to do it i think uh juju she had a great season and i look forward to our sophomore year coming up but that being said i think think that Caitlyn don't like what Geno said. And I think that

he really may believe it that that girl may be close to Caitlyn Clark. You know it ain't Caitlyn Clark. But you know, like Mark Jackson told us, Mark Jackson told us before when he played with the Knicks that Rick Pitino

told him he's the best guard in the country in the NBA. And that's a guard. And he believed it. Yeah, yeah. And that's a team, that's a league with Magic Johnson playing at the time,

Isaiah Thomas playing at the time. You know, it was a plethora of nice point guards, but he believed what his coach told him. And, Gino, I'm not saying

he doesn't believe it, but he know that girl can't fuck with Clayton Kaelin. Now, she nice. She good, but I think this is going to be a goodie

because it's both deflections for the connection. This is going to be pure whiteness to see who's the purest white

female basketball player in America. This is white on white. You can't get no white. You can't say that. Whatever, nigga. Black on black, nigga? You can't say black on black.

Hold on. This is for the purest of white. This is like, this is like Brooke Shields. You know, this is Britney Spears versus whoever's the whitest out there. Yeah, Brooke Shields.

This is Paul McCartney versus Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, exactly. This is the purest of white basketball female players. And we're going to see who's the best. And for me, I think Caitlyn Clark gets offended when you say anybody's better than her, let alone another white girl. She might take that all the way out of sense. Yeah, I think Caitlyn thinks she's black a little bit.

She thinks, don't compare nobody white to me. Only black people. Yes, exactly. Look, I was going a hundred percent. That's what I was alluding to because I heard this when Isaiah Thomas, this old Isaiah Thomas tell a story about Larry Bird. And he said the game was about to start. Larry Bird walked up to him and was like, yo, who's y'all be a man disrespectful. Who's this white guy guarding? So he was like, he was laughing.

He's like, no, I'm serious. Like, why do y'all got this white guy guarding me so he was like he was laughing he's like no i'm serious like why do y'all got a white guy guarding me i'm dead serious and isaiah was laughing and he said he said larry bird forced him all game and disrespected him because he told they disrespecting you for having a white guy guarding me anyway so he said i remember isaiah said the next year he said yeah we got somebody for you now. He said, who? He said, yeah, that's my man, Dennis Rodman. And Larry Bird rolled his eyes and said, OK, I guess he's a little better than whoever homeboy was. But I really believe Caitlin Clark looks at you like this, like, yeah, why would y'all ain't going to put Flau'jae on me? So y'all let me abuse this girl right here yeah i bet it's like it's like uh when roy jones murder used to beat people up and look at the

reference say so you're not gonna stop this yeah i bet i'm gonna start acting stupid since you don't want to stop the fight and that's how i looked at it but this is to be see who's the best in the country. And I'm using the white card and the white privilege, so to speak. But both of these girls are really, really good basketball players. Really good. Yeah, but Kaylin is saying she's tactical. Her

skill set is black. That's what she's trying to tell Paige. Paige, if you're listening to this, Kaylin is saying her skill set is black and That's what she's trying to tell Paige. Paige, if you're listening to this, Kaylin is saying her skill set is black and she's tactical. So don't come out there unless you're ready for that tactical.

Yeah, but it's another game I'm interested in seeing. It's a very, very, very good game that I want to see. I'm excited. And then as far as like UConn versus USC, obviously, I just feel like on the floor, UConn was the better team. Now, USC, you know, all eyes are on

Juju Watkins, who did still play well. She was very emotional after losing, but she still is a freshman and honestly one of the, if not the best freshman guard out there for women. So like, shout out to them as well, but UConn, it might be in its pages time. So we'll see what happens

for the next game. And then before we go to break, we want to talk about one more college basketball related topic. So right now there's actually genuine NFL interest in North Carolina State basketball star DJ Burns from

GM's. Considering his role being a college men's basketball player, what do you guys think about GM's even expressing interest to him? I heard some wild things about him because I didn't know these things about football. So they was asking Killer about Paul, about his behind and all of that. They was like, oh, he could be a great player in football. He got

power. And this was Pat McAfee. Shout out to the Pat McAfee show. But they was talking about his behind and all that, saying he got a lot of force. He could be in a certain position and make like $30 million a year. I was like, yo, this is crazy.

And it seemed like everybody that came on the mic, Paul, they all said the same things. They echoed the same sentiments that the way he's built, Paul, is more for football than it is for basketball. And he might want to just leave basketball after this game and just focus on football if he's able to make the arm change, especially if he can make 30-something million a year and still play a professional sport. And there's a guy that did that.

What team is that? I think it was, might be the Eagles. A guy that came from basketball or one of those rugby or something. Huh? Who was it? But it was a guy that came from rugby. I know that because there's a guy that came from rugby.

I know that because there's a guy that came from rugby. See? Jordan Maylotta played rugby in Australia. Yeah, see? That's why they got the expert here, killer. That's why I'm here. What do you think, killer? People that's experts

don't have to keep saying they're experts people know that they're experts people who say they're experts aren't really experts because they have to keep reminding themselves that they're experts so that's what I think about you keep saying you're experts you're experts you don't have to keep saying that people would know that already

but you're constantly saying that you're experts so I think I think it's wild niggas see a man ass and be like, yo, you can make 30 million home. What's that about?

This is wild on watch ESPN, but that's what they were talking about. They kept going. You see that man Backside He can make 30 million It seemed like They knew what they were talking about

You know Listen, Dan McAfee used to play football And I love his show too. I'm just saying the way you do it, I didn't see it so, and I'm not accusing you, but you're delivering the message like, they come looking at his backside.

Yeah, I don't know, yeah, me too. They said they keep looking at the man, dies in his backside. That's a $30 million backside right there. Boys. Wow. But, yeah, listen, man.

I heard about this story yesterday afternoon. I didn't really dive into it too much because, look, we know that NC State is Cinderella. They lost 14 games this year, Brady. Yeah. 14 games to be in the Final Four right now. That's probably unheard of. I don't even know a team that lost probably 10 games to get to the Final Four.

So, first of all, congratulations to them. Secondly, if they lost 14 games, he can't be that good of a basketball player because he allowed his team to lose 14 games this year in college basketball. I think he had a great game out of the day. I don't know if he played football before. I don't know how good he is in basketball. I did see the game that he played. He bust their ass.

Of course, he had a nice touch around the basket. You know, real gentle. Paws around the rim. Floaters, good touch off the backboard. It looked good for the one game that I did see of him. I can't say I act like I know his basketball or football background. But the people who were talking about him possibly being a football player, I would take their word because Pat McAfee not only knows a bunch of football

players, he's actually played football as well. So if he says he got the, whatever he said for it, I would take him in his word. I would have to do some more homework to see exactly what's up. But what I would say homeboy is take advantage of this opportunity that you have right now playing in the final four and try and win while you can because trust me once you lose nobody knows you no more and they don't care they do not care once you lose so i would take advantage of the opportunity that's before you right now

and ride that out for as long as you can. If you're at least an NBA or at least overseas playing in Europe, possibly off at least an NFL tryout, ride it to the wheels, fall off home, and congratulations. Yeah, I'm actually not even mad at that answer because he's literally 6'9", and he's 275 pounds. Like, if people are looking at him, like you said, take the opportunity. Because that's a big dude.

He could be a good offensive tackle, linebacker, something like that. He can run. So some team, I promise you, needs him. Okay, so we're going to go to break. Yo, Murda. Yeah. Murda. What's up, nigga?

Nigga, I know, man. I don't know if you know Bear from Drew Hamilton, about Southern Street. Yeah. Yeah, Brian McKinney one time was uptown with the nigga Hud. Brian McKinney used to play football and shit. And he asked Hud who he was. And he's like, yo, because he's standing in front of projects all day.

He used to. My nigga Bill, this my nigga too. He's like, yo, that nigga right there is seven feet, about 280, 290. If he come play for the practice team, he'll make $300,000 a year just on the practice team. team, you'll make $300,000 a year just on the practice team. Nigga Bear said, fuck, I look like

running around tackling niggas all day. Fuck out of here. And stood right there on the corner, ain't going nowhere. Some niggas don't want to be tackling niggas all day, I guess. I don't know. I'm just giving an example of niggas size who say to be tackling niggas all day, I guess. I don't know. I'm just giving an example of a nigga's size who said,

fuck, he look like running around tackling niggas all day, but standing in front of projects at the same time. You got to love Harlem niggas. Yeah, seven feet. That's why I started laughing. I know something stupid was said. Fuck, I look man look like

tackling niggas all day mind you this nigga I go to the project apartment which ain't

my own the project apartment but when you seven feet that shit type small okay

so we're gonna no you're no you're good that's a great story to share

we're gonna go to break and when we return we will discuss a Chiefs player No, you're good. That's a great story to share. We're going to go to break. And when we return, we will discuss a Chiefs player who might be in some trouble. Don't go anywhere. She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't know Much trouble in me, won't fall Welcome back.

Now let's get into our underdog Fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Bucks will play the Wizards. Underdog Fantasy has Giannis at seven and a half first quarter points. Give him higher or lower, Mace. Seven and a half points. First quarter. Giannis. Yes.

Against who? The Wizards. Of course, seven points. He should have higher, higher. Okay. Cam? A, higher. Okay. Cam? Go lower. Okay.

Chris Middleton is at 29.5 points, rebounds, and assists. Do you have him higher or lower? Cam? He should be higher. Yeah, higher. Who's going to stop Giannis on the Wizards? Nobody. He could have 15 if he won.

Right. Okay, and then... I don't think it's about him not being able to get it. Just one of them games you try and get everybody involved, it's the Wizards. I ain't saying he couldn't have it. You're right, he got 20 in the first quarter, but it's one of them.

Yo, get Lopez going. Okay. And Jordan Poole is at five and a half first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower mace? Jordan, I used to know, would have five points, more than five.

Used to know. Jordan, today, I'm going to go. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, even though there's no benefit of doubting. Higher. Cam? I'm going to go low. We don't even know if that thing is going to start tonight.

The coach is throwing him in the start lineup sometime. Sometime don't be in the start lineup. So I'm going low. Who knows if he may not even play in the first quarter. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So before you even get into the topics, I know we started a discussion speaking of not giving everybody the benefit of

the doubt. Yes. Angel Reese. Matter of fact, you was mad. We was talking off air. Let's just give it to the people for us. That you was off air. Me and Mace had a couple of things to chime in just on our opinion.

Yeah. We know that you usually save this for check out the stat at 3 p.m. Eastern on Fridays on the Come and Talk to me network we get that but why were you upset for angel reese yeah so first i want to preface i wasn't upset because people are going to take that and be like she's being so sensitive guys it's a discussion just so y'all know preface like the disclaimer okay but preface is my terminology all right basically we were talking about angel reese some quote saying that i don't know the exact quote she says she's human she said she's human and i basically said that she is i basically feel like angel reese gets a lot of unnecessary hate because I just feel like

she's doing her thing she's playing basketball I know that people have unnecessary comments and I know that she's now a public figure she's more than just a person she's more than just a basketball player but I feel like she's valid to be upset and not want people to you know

make the comments that they make towards her because she's just trying to play ball. Yeah. But you guys said... I said she received the fame, she received the accolades, and now she's learning to accept what else comes with it because it all comes together.

So if you want to turn away from the responsibilities and the expectations, then you would have to also turn back over the accolades. Because that's what comes with the accolades. When people pay you a lot of money, whether it's in the WNBA or whether they pay her through NIL deals, they're expecting something. So that's just what comes with it. So a lot of times when people are celebrated, they're excited and they receive it all. When the criticism and the expectation comes, they want out of that. That's that accountability we keep talking about right so it's like it's

heavy it's heavy but you're getting paid heavy right that's what comes with the heavy pay a heavy crown yeah and then i think real quick before you give your point kim i was basically saying that i feel like in angel voices you had a lot to say yeah you was toughing up during the commercial break no I'm trying to remember exactly what I said basically I was saying that you were saying people can't handle all of that yes I was basically

saying Angel Reese didn't sign up for this I don't think everybody is built for this lifestyle I don't think everybody can handle it and I think in her I don't want everybody is built for this lifestyle. I don't think everybody can handle it. And I think in her, I don't want to use the term breaking point because I don't think that's the word, but I just think that a lot of it towards her is unnecessary. And I, I'm not going to say I completely understand because I'm not an athlete. So, you know, criticism is, is thrown in different ways, but it's just like when you're just doing, you know, something that you love to do and then it's just always unnecessary comment after unnecessary comment. I'm just like, dang, like she's trying to play ball because I just feel like other people really don't get that same sort of, you know, commentary reactions that she does. And you know why she gets it? That that goes back to the accountability.

Yeah. Because once you want, you don't get to be a trash talker and get sympathy. You would know that if you're if you're from the hood, you don't get to be a trash talker and get sympathy when you lose. Right. That's what comes with the trash talking. When you're winning, you're on the good side of the trash talking. Right. So when you lose, you want everybody to be pious. Right.

And deities. But also, even when she was winning, like, and I know people are going to hate regardless. No, what's this? What's this? It was still, but it was still, you're classless. What's this? You're classless. And it's like, if you lit, you lit.

Like, and then when you lose, like, okay, okay, I'm going to be mad too, but it's just still unnecessary things. I like that. When you lit, you lit. So you don't get to unlit yourself. That's what Cam was saying. Yeah. You don't get to unlit yourself once you become a public figure

and you're everywhere. This is what Cam was saying. I don't want to take his words. Cam, you share it. No, we got the same mind. You never really take my words because half the time we finish each other's sentences anyway. What I was saying was that there's no off button.

When you can't turn it off when you want to turn off fame or notoriety or being a public figure or whatever it is you can't be like all right enough today i don't feel like it you know and that's why sometimes people are prisoners of their own success and i wouldn't let that be me like me me personally i love and i thank God all the time for where my level of success is and where I'm at. And I wouldn't want to change my success for anything in the world because I still go out

and people want my picture, autograph, everything. But I know still certain places in the world I know I could go where I could just creep, would be cool, where I don't want to be bothered. There's certain places certain people can go where they're just, I'm not saying they're a prisoner, but they're just never going to avoid it.

Like, you know, me and Mace was talking, and I was late, or I actually missed that show two weeks ago when I was on a, three weeks ago, I was on a flight with Mike Tyson. You don't know annoying somebody until you're next to Mike Tyson. Mike, Mike, yo, Mike, Mike, do this, Mike. Make a muscle, Mike. Give me one of these. Mike, Mike, Mike. I'm like, God damn, yo.

This is kind of wild. It's nowhere to go if you're Mike Tyson. Somebody doesn't know you, but you know what? Mike smiled every picture. He hugged every lady. He made the muscle when they asked him to make a muscle because he knows that's part of the game.

Look, when I say this all the time, is that... Seriously, when I say... Yeah, for real, because what I say all the time is this. Whenever I get... Whenever, and this is real still, whenever I get saved, saved damn i don't want

to take this picture i don't feel like doing these people or fuck this i don't feel like it unless i'm eating or i'm in the movie theater i'll take the picture i'll sign the autograph i hug the lady or whatever because i could be sitting in traffic for hour and a half to go work for somebody that I know I'm smart in for eight hours and then go back home in the same hour and a half traffic to only go to sleep to do that again the next day yeah when you know you're smarter than the nigga that you work for so if I just got to take a picture and hug somebody and give somebody a five back yeah because it could be it could be way way way way way worse man it's nothing worse than working for somebody you know you're smarter than and you gotta act like they're smarter than you you know what i'm saying like that shit was probably

the most annoying shit in the world i wouldn't know i always it's like one of my worst nightmares in the world like wake up out of cold sweat always, it's like one of my worst nightmares in the world. Wake up out of cold sweat like, oh shit, I thought I was working for somebody. It's scary. But at the end of the day, serious is like dead ass.

No, that's why I say thank God. No, no, that's why I say thank God, Joe. I know I joke a lot lot but i'm dead ass serious because think about this like think about another person like think about eminem where can he go like you know i don't want that i don't want that you know what i'm saying like but you got the complexion for the connection they're white people and black niggas know you you know that's eminem that's eminem yo. And listen, some people are built for that.

Some people are. I'm not saying he isn't. I would like a cap on my shit. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you wish you could turn it off, but at the same time, you just can't. So I know I was all over the place when it comes to my situation

and scenario, so I would never trade my shit in, but I understand some people where you'd be like, yo, it's too much. They're harassing this, that, and the third. Mace made a great point. The shit talkers, they can't wait. They can't wait for you to lose.

Right. Floyd Mayweather, he doesn't fight that often, but I would say towards the end of his career, I would say 75 to 80 percent of people that went to his fight was going to see him lose just to see him lose because he talked so much shit he was undefeated yeah and he was money can't wait to see me yeah money yeah money yeah so niggas like i'm sick of this nigga. I'm going to see this nigga lose. And he knew it.

People would come see him lose, but he knew how to market himself and knew how to start a fight and knew how to maximize the dollar. So to Mason's point, I get what you're saying too, Stat. You're like, fuck, B. She just came to play basketball. And you know who does that? Or used to? It's beast mode.

I'm only here so I don't get far. I'm only here for that one. He ain't with a bunch of shit talking. He score a touchdown in the end zone. He walk over and shake your hand like a businessman. There ain't no celebration. They run up to him, looks like, you're calm down.

It's business. But once you go over the top, you know, calm down. It's business. But once you go over the top, they're going to treat you over the top. Yeah, right. So, it's just, my last phrase is this.

My man, Cousin Bang, told me this, man. And it was a time, because he's really cool with Kanye. And it was a time years and years ago

before whatever Kanye's going through now, he was going through some other shit. And I was a time years and years ago, before whatever Kanye's going through now, he was going through some other shit. And I was like, damn, man, they kind of bugging me. He looked over at me, murder, and he said, Kim, the game don't come with instructions. And walked off.

So you're right about that. This shit do not come with no instructions, man. Everybody got to figure their own shit out as it goes along because yes success is not necessarily my success or yes success that is not nick's success and nick's success is not his home everybody gotta figure their own shit out it's no instructions with this shit right everybody's game is different and you really can't and you really can't complain about it. Cause I know I used to be like that.

Like it's exactly what Reese was saying, but it's like, once you took the success and the money came, you got to deal with all of these things that came with it. Cause I didn't sign up for that neither, but you did. You just didn't know you signed up for it. And a lot of things happen that you don't realize

because like you said there is no on and off button and I really like love when we have these conversations because like even for me right like I've entered a space that I've never entered before and never even thought I would be entering came straight out of college and like for me it's a blessing just to even be able to hear things from both of you, because like, I don't think you guys understand the magnitude of being able to have you two both in my corner, me not knowing what the hell I'm doing, right? Moving cross country to a whole new position. You feel me? Like, and at least being like, if I have a sort of question I can ask y'all, you know, like I still like always try to figure things out myself and we'll do things like that. And there is no guidebook. And for Angel Reese Reese I don't know her position but I promise you

she doesn't have a guy like nobody teaches you how to like enter fame and be a basketball player and be a college student and like you know what I'm saying like all at the same time so I'm not saying like she deserves some sort of sympathy but I can definitely understand her position of probably being lost and not knowing you know what to what to do with that. Cause you, a lot of people, you can't ask questions to, you know what I'm saying? So we got to do more. That means we got to do more counseling because that's like, I can me, anybody, like when we walk out, people don't even ask me, can they take pictures? They just walk up to me with video. Yeah. I don't get to me can they take pictures they just walk up to me with video yeah I don't get to fix my hat yeah I don't get to fix myself right it's already live right you like yo bro

I I used to get mad about yeah like yo yo don't do that right because in my mind I'm thinking I'm in the hood but yeah I'm not in the hood they They're seeing Mase. They're like, yo, smile, nigga. Do what you normally do on TV. Do that right now. I ain't no puppet. What? What? Yeah, listen.

And it's crazy. I used to be like that, too. But you got to realize, sometimes, and I can't tell anybody how to be who they are as a celebrity. I'm not talking about Mesa or Statt. Sometimes you got to put yourself and we've been doing this so long that we forget that we were the person that'd be

excited if we see somebody. Because we've been on forever. So sometimes you got to rewind to that 17-year-old kid who's saying, oh shit, Russell Simmons, this is my shot. Oh shit, Jermaine Dupri, I'm one of his boys. Whatever, sometimes a nigga may be 35

when they meet you. This is the only time they got to see you. You know what I'm saying? But it was a time when niggas get excited when they see niggas. We've just been doing this so long that it's really like, yo, when you see another celebrity, you say, what's up, and let's really like yo when you see another celebrity you say

with something like y'all got some conversation because you you've given them yeah you don't want to be like the person that that um ruins somebody's moment yeah when they just met you yeah and they had this whole big idea of who you were. Yeah. You mess it all up. No, I definitely get that. And it's funny because that's the world that I'm entering, right? So like for me, I still get excited. Like when I meet certain people, I'm not going to disclose who. And obviously, I play it cool. And even on the other end, like when people get excited to see me, I'm like, oh.

People coming up, taking pictures with me. I'm like, oh. Because like for me, my world is like work you know like saying like and i i it doesn't click like it's like an angel reese perspective i just showed up to play basketball and me i'm like i'm i'm just doing my job like i'm talking about sports doing something that i love to do and then i'm like oh people actually you know it's two different worlds that sometimes it doesn't connect yeah i feel like for her it might have not connected and what i'm saying is when she started taking the NIL deals, you're not just playing ball.

Yeah. Which is a great point. That's the part that they're leaving out. Oh, I ain't signed up for this. Yes, you did. When you signed that NIL deal and they start offering you the money as a brand. Right. As a brand, you became responsible for all of the things you don't want to deal with right now.

And that's why, like I said, we got to start doing more help with people. And we're here. And we joke and play a lot, but ask Cam, DM me, anybody. We're here to help the next generation. That's seriously an amazing point. I'm very happy you said that

because I think you don't even understand a lot of us be lost and i know a lot of people need help and don't know where to start and i'm not saying that you guys are just gonna here's how you do this here's how you do this but like some even just like watching the show like these are gems that people can take and like internalize in different ways let me cam i know you had let me tell you something yeah last thing let me tell you something. Yeah, last thing. Let me tell you something about Amy Reese, right? And you're saying she deal with a lot. And this would be my last point when it comes to this.

She waited till she lost to do this. Osami, the tennis player, Osami, what's her name? Naomi Osaka. Naomi Osaka left when she was winning for mental health issues because she didn't know how to do it. She left when she was winning. What's the black gymnast girl's name? Bustin' Ass? She quit? Shorty?

Simone? Black girl. Bates? Simone Biles. Yeah, I was like... Yeah, she left. Yeah, she left too. too shit there's too much it's too much to deal with not get that but they didn't wait till they lost they'll be like it's too much they lost they left when they won yeah and i'm not saying angel reese is about to leave but it just seems like a pity party yeah when you wait to break.

Don't get me wrong, people. I know what Andrew Reese is going through, but us shit talkers, we kind of be like, yo, come on, suck it up, because we got a heart, too. Don't get it wrong. But when you do it right after you lose, people kind of tend to be like, come on,

you just lost. When Naomi, the tennis player, left, and the girl, Simone Biles, they both took mental health breaks from their sport when they were at the height of their sport. Number one.

So when I see that, I'm like, nah, this shit is overbearing. This is overbearing. Like, Mase left when he number one rapper. You know what I'm saying? Like, when niggas leave when they number one, you can't really say nothing.

Yeah, that mean it was really, Paul, it was too much for them. Yeah, it was really too much. That girl, the tennis player just won Fitzbumbleton US Open, but that was US Open. Other girl just won the gold medals. Niggas were like, yo, I'm't remember if it's Wimbledon, U.S. Open, but they was U.S. Open. Other girl just won the gold medals. Nigga was like, yo, I'm chilling out.

I'm bugging. I'm going through something. I don't want to use the word bugging because they was really going through something. No disrespect. They was really going through something. But they left at the height of their shit. They didn't wait until the game was over. I was like, I ain't winning this shit. I don't know.

So I'm not disagreeing with your point when Angel Reese are feeling bad. I'm not saying I don't feel empathy for Angel Reese. I'm just saying it just comes at bad timing right after you lose the game when you're a shit talker. And what I was thinking about was if you want to know if what Cam and I just shared was the truth, just ask yourself

if they won this game, what dance would they have been doing? And you could start seeing what they would have been doing. What songs would they have been playing? Back to back. You want to run your mouth?

Yeah. Yeah. Stop. Yeah. You know they would have been going crazy right doing the jama rant yeah the gritty the gritty niggas fucked the playlist up

that's what happened niggas fucked the playlist up man yeah definitely been playing back to back yeah well these are great points I can't even disagree because I know how it looks so I'm like yeah but I like that we can have these discussions

and I hope you guys are really taking through these I don't yeah all that you'll be on TikTok, huh? You know something. They would have been going crazy, right?

He knows something. He's talking about. They would have been going crazy. That's crazy. Monkey would have even been in one of those dances. That's why you can't really show no pity to that. I'm dead. Well, this is a great conversation.

But unfortunately, that is all the time we have for today. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.