IT IS WHAT IT IS - TIME IS UP FOR TYREEK IN MIAMI, MA$E & CAM'RON TALK ABOUT NOT WORKING WITH NEW ARTISTS & MURDA TALKS DIDDY DOC!

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

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And today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Moe was good. Killer, what's going on, man? Yo, yo. I'm good. Yeah, you guys look like you doing good, man. Where are you guys right now? Me?

I'm on earth presently. You on Earth. Presently. Murder, I don't have to be on Earth, Murda. I'm just saying. I may not be on earth sometimes. I'm on earth at the moment.

Yeah, hey. You can go to Sadden if you were like. Where you going? Where you at, Mo? The Palm Tree List Studio. The Palm Tree List Studio. I'm glad you said that. Because the money is here, man.

The money is here. Statt, the money is here. I'm, brought the money. I'm leaving it with Nick. We got enough money for the palm trees. I knew that would probably come up. So we're going to end that right now.

You know, if you're from Atlanta rat now, you know? From Atlanta, from Atlanta. Hey, Nick, hey. I'd be pointing to studio. Yeah. Yeah. Killer, how are you doing, man? You said you don't have to be on earth.

Where would you like to be? I like Earth. I'm just saying I don't have to be it. I'm not always here. I didn't say I ain't like it. I prefer it. That's a big universe out there, man. You never left Earth murder?

You've been a lot of places you ain't even before. Yeah, I mean, I left Earth a few times. That's why I was trying to figure out what you were saying. But I figured you've been hanging out with Sun City. They believe in aliens and all that. I have no idea where you've been at. You and your buddy, Sin City. Shut out the Sin City and Larry, wherever that.

Who knows? They may not be on earth, you know? Your murder. Yeah. Have you been, have you observed that Larry ain't been to the show since he lost that bet with me, man? That's fucked up, murder. You did that to Larry, man. That's crazy, man.

I ain't seen them since. wherever you at, man, is the APB out for Larry. Yeah, he's probably maddenry. He's not on Earth. Larry's... I don't want to do that to Larry, though, murder. Hopefully Larry's on Earth, you know. Who knows?

He could be having fun with the aliens on the alien beach. This is true. Okay, well, for the people who are on Earth, hello, we're here. We're going to start with football. So the Dolphins released Star Receive. favorite Tyreek Hill. He is now a free agent for the first time in his 10-year career. In a post, he thanked the organization and the fans and ended his post with The Cheetah don't slow down

ever. So to everyone wondering what's next, just wait on it. The Cheetah will be back born again. Maurice, what do you think of one, Tyreek's post? And then two, do you think this was a good decision on the Dolphins end? I think that it was the dolphins kicking my man white down. You know what I'm saying? All the personal issues. that went on with him over the last two years, the organization going in a different direction, and then he had that crazy knee injury. I thought that they would at least let him rehabilitate to a point

to see what it was that he could do. But I guess that they thought, like, hey, he may be past his prime, and they just go ahead and move on, and they're going to rebuild the team. And then I asked myself, like, is this the precursor for moving on from Tua? And my personal opinion, I think it is, just because you look at his concussion issues in the past.

And then once you take his star receiver away, you know, who is he being at that point? I think this is just them setting up for what's to come next. Yeah, I like the idea of cleaning house, you know. When you're a city as attractive as Miami, I think you owe it to the city to bring a phenomenal football team there. I know they had some great plans, but somehow that plan didn't pan out, right?

They had Tua, who was deemed to be one of those quarterbacks coming out of Alabama, but he just never, you know, panned out to what he could be. And then when you bring Tyreek Hill down there, he surely thought that he was going to do well down there and he would really flourish down there. I knew it was over when they pulled them out the car and he was calling for Hank. Shout out to Hank. Shout out the whoever Hank is. He said, Hank, they arresting me, Hank.

And I remember if we could go back to that clip, I was like, this is not good. It's no way that you're the star quarterback, I meant to start running back. A receiver of what you call the Miami Dolphins and you're pulling up to a game and you get arrested. Whether it's for speeding, no matter what it was, that's just not what you do. And when I saw that, I saw that this was like a real problem waiting to happen. And so to see him now, you know, a divorce, a knee injury, and now being let go from Miami is definitely kicking him while he's down. And shout out to the cheetah.

I hope he out be returned with a vengeance, you know, in Florida boys style. It's not from Florida, Mace. Anyway, what does the race, what does the arrest have to do with it? I just want to know your perspective on it. The arrest says that, you know, they don't fool with me here. No way that he should be getting arrested as a star wide receiver, somebody. And he's that fast. Why did he get caught?

He's the cheetah. He's in a Lamborghini. And I know I'm making light of this, but, you know, I wouldn't have stopped, you know? I would have went to the arena. What you're saying is they're not going to arrest Kobe Bryant no matter what he going. Yeah, they're not going to arrest Kobe for speeding into the Staples Center or Michael Jordan. He was going too fast, going to the United Arena. Nah, how are you going to arrest the Cheetah?

Like, that's crazy. What I'll say is this, everybody slows down. I'm not saying Tyree Kill is slow down. You know, you're only going to say the Cheetah never slows down. The cheetah actually does slow down. Cheetahs ain't fast travel. That's first and foremost. So get it while it's hot for us.

But I don't know about kicking them while I was down, bro. The nigger had on his profile picture, Antonio Brown, when he was leaving the motherfucker in Tampa Bay. You know, he had them exit comments last season when they was asked him, do he want to be traded? This is not the same coach. It's not the same GM. He was going to different days.

Niggas is like, we don't need that energy over here. We're starting fresh. and unfortunately for him, everything's documented. This is stuff that they take into account when they're trying to put a new system in place and they're going to say, do we need that type of energy? No, let's just start over and figure it out. And I think Tyreek Hill, God willing,

he comes back super duper healthy. I don't think people want outside headaches if you're not producing as you once they're produced. Now, some of that two is for, possibly. You know, two of them paying out to be what he was supposed to be like Mace alluded to. But I do say, but I will say this, though. If I'm a lot of teams, I'm going to be trying to get Tyree killed. If I'm in New England, I want Tyree Keller.

If I'm Lamar Jackson, yo, what you doing? If I'm Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, I'm hitting niggas like when bitches hit niggas, when they see them back, and be like, what's up, big head? Pause, what you're doing? I would want Tyreek Hill immediately, so he won't find, it won't be a hard place for him to find a home. And I know he'll come back with a chip on his shoulder.

But we have to see how fast he is after this injury. A lot of his, the benefits of having Tyreek Hill is the yards after the catch. Because he's elusive and he can escape, tackle, and so on and so forth. But that's based upon his speed. So hopefully you have his speed when he comes back for injury.

But I get it if I'm on Miami Dawkins. I don't need nobody with no attitude on my team. And I don't coach a football team. We won't talk about any team that Camon is a part of. Don't come in here with that. I don't care how good. Let me ask you a question. I'm not coming with that attitude.

Go ahead, Mark. You feel me, Bird? Yeah. Yeah, they said when the cat is worth more than the litter. sometimes you got to let the issue go. Yeah, man. You got to, yeah, you come in and none of my organizations

with none of that. I don't care who you are. So I had a quick question. It was two questions. One, I always thought he was from Florida. I didn't know he wasn't. That was just new news of me. But how much do you think him being in Miami

played a role into like what's going on out? That's a question for you and A's because y'all know I argued against this would people belong in different markets and being able to maximize a talent? Then you just mentioned going to New England and then you mentioned going back to Kansas City. Obviously, those are two smaller markets and I just want to know your thoughts on it. New England would be perfect for Tyree Kill. In fact, pause. I can see him in the Jersey.

Like if Tyree Kill ends up in New England, they're the champs. There's nowhere around it. no way absolutely around it. They will have every other piece, pause, that's necessary to make this a championship team. I like that for them. I like it better for us with Andy Reeves because we already know where he fit, pause. We know what to do with Tyreek Hill. So when it comes to that, I think him being in Miami, it played a lot into it.

Like I said, they're arresting them. You know, you're getting divorced, all of that. That wouldn't happen. You're not getting divorced into it. England. You know, it's nothing to get divorced about in New England. But, you know, who knows? I've seen stranger things.

Listen, I don't really think New England is a small market. When people hear the word New England, they get confused and not remember that it's Boston, which is just as racist. So, you know, when you hear the word New England, you don't think about that that's really just Boston. They're talking about Boston. I don't consider Boston a small market at all. City-wise and people-wise, talking about population-wise,

maybe smaller than California and New York. I'm talking about a sports city, a sports town with the Red Sox there, with the Celtics there. Listen, that's not a small market as far as sports is concerned, my opinion. And it get wild in Boston, too. I know some niggins up there. I won't say their name right now. because I know what they're into.

But at the end of the day, I think that he'll be focused no matter where he's at because he's going to get a lot of scrutiny for people saying that for a few million dollars more. I don't count it as a few million. I say millions is millions. For more money, you went to Miami when you could have stayed in New England for less money. I mean, pardon me for Kansas City for less money. And I ain't knocking it. But, you know, the thing that the credit is like this,

I had this argument earlier because it's one thing, like let's just take it to basketball real quick, right? They're saying Denver shouldn't have got rid of Bruce Brown. He was a key component to them winning that championship. Then he left for $6, $7, $8 million more to go so else and now he's back in Denver. See, for Bruce Brown, that looks good because Denver didn't win without him. Kansas City won with him.

without Tyree Carol. Yeah. So they're like, you know, if you want to come back through, I'm not saying we ain't went last year, but shit ain't, you know, we fell on, and I got hurt from Pat, I got hurt last year, but, you know, Eric Brandon, me coming back, y'all all can fall back through. You know, we take him back our old host.

No disrespect. I mean, not talking about truth. I want you to take it the wrong way. I'm just talking about, you know, we're taking the old crew back, so to speak. I don't wonder why you're defending. Yeah, we're taking the old crew back. So this would be a great reunion with Tyree Kiel, Eric Vennemy coming back.

It'll give some more pressure off of Travis Kelsey, you know, because this year everybody's getting old as you're going to play a game, etc. I think Tyree Kill extends his career for maybe another year, possibly. But I'll just name two teams. The list is going to go and make nothing about Denver. how much Tyree how about Bo Nix? It's a lot of teams.

Yeah, he can help a lot of teams instantly too. Yeah, think about Tim, but Mike Evans has hurt a lot, man. Imagine Tyree don't got to leave the state. He just goes up the block. It's not just those teams I made. It's going to be a lot of teams very interested in trying to get Tyree killed.

We'll see who wins the lottery on that. That's actually a really great, great team to think about Tampa. Because, you know, sometimes when you're playing sports, one of the hardest things to do is to move, is to have to move again. And when you got somewhere that close, that's a valuable option.

And that team is winning. That becomes a serious contender for that decision. Yeah, they ain't win this year. They lost the Carolina and they didn't even make the playoffs. But I think Tariq Hill makes that difference. You know what I'm saying? And I think that he'll mesh good with Baker Mayfield as well. Look, the teams are going to be endless because he doesn't have to necessarily play the one role.

He got his money. He got his Super Bowl. I don't think that he'll be too. I don't think that he is not going to want to be a number one option. But if he gets on a team that can win a championship or viable to win a championship, prospect doing a championship, I don't think he'll be mad at being the number two option. my personal opinion. But to answer your question,

I realize I'd answer the question. The predicament he's in, I don't think the city matters. It isn't like we see Tyree getting into a bunch of shit outside of just fucking mad bitches, you know, having babies and shit. We don't see him getting into no fights and no clubs.

We don't see him getting to a bunch of shit. You know, he got arrested the one time that murders alluded to trying to trying to rush to get to a football game. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think that we have a problem. problem with it's a big market, small market or whatever,

but this adds on to the chip on your shoulder. Because, you know, when you get released, bro, it ain't like they're trading you or it ain't like they trade in you or they're like your contract is up. They're like, we don't want you. Yeah. And that makes you feel like. It's like, get out.

Yeah. It's definitely like get out. Like, go see what they'll get you, you know. We're not giving you anything. Yeah, because, yeah, we ain't got it. Okay. So moving along, we got some Steelers talk because James Harrison has been criticizing Mike Tomlin.

So he said he doesn't believe Tomlin belongs in the pro football Hall of Fame after he voluntarily ended his years with the Steelers. He said he hasn't made disciples. You're telling me you're a Hall of Fame coach, but no one has followed you. He's the only coach that has coached this long and does not have a tree.

And he also points at the Steelers' playoff record. So Maurice, do you think Mike Tomlin is not a Hall of Fame coach? And then do you think coaching trees matter? Wait, before you start this, who said this? James Harrison. I'm backer. Oh, my goodness. Go ahead, Mo.

Yeah, no, I was just probably as surprised that everybody else, excuse me, who's seen it when James Harrison said it. You know, I think Mike Tomlin went out of shadow of a doubt as a first battle hall of favor. You know, and I know that they didn't give it to Bill Belichie. but I think Mike Tomlin will be in the Hall of Fame for what he's done. How he's held that organization down for 20 years, kept him in playoff contention, got his Super Bowls, just all of that stuff that goes along with being a Hall of Fame coach. But when I heard those comments from James,

I just always think about how just people have underlying issues that they can't really address when they are basically in need of one another. And then when people separate and they don't need each other for one of the ones, another and I don't know if this is all speculation because I don't know the ends and outs of their relationship but I know enough people close to it but it could be hey man I wanted a contract extension hey man after we won the Super Bowl I wanted a little bit more money or it can be just all type of stuff that was relevant at that moment that dudes end up just letting out years later pause and you get comments like this but it's just be hard for me this is just me this is

me speaking for myself, it's hard to believe like somebody who's done something so much for your life that you can have disparage of comments publicly about these people. And even if you did feel some type of way about him, like I probably wouldn't let that be released even with it being Mike Thomas. So I was surprised to hear it come from James Harrison, Medea, and everybody have their own perspective on it. He has his own experience. He lived with it. But I would never do that to somebody who will help me out a long way. Yeah, this is crazy. This is like, I mean, just think about it. We're talking two, we're talking two-time AP player of the year.

I mean, one-time AP player the year. Two-time Super Bowl champion. Two-time, what else is there? All defensive player the year. Five times all pro. This person's, you know, account matters, right? And when all of this is something that you've controlled, attributed to, it's kind of hard to hear people say stuff like this.

But this is why I hate niggas, right? This is exactly why, right? As long as everything's good, everybody's good, yo, I love you. Yo, what you're doing for Christmas? As soon as something go wrong, it's like, yo, I don't even think the niggas should make Hall of Fame. This is not white people doing this to us. This is how I feel, right?

now. Like, come on, my nigger. Like, it's like a nigger standing up in your wedding. That's how I felt right now. And they said, does anybody think this couple should not be married? Niggia James Harrison standing up.

You know, I think, if you ask me, I don't, I don't think the nigger ready. Can you imagine you you get married and niggins stand up and tell you, He don't think your husband is ready. What do you do with this information?

Come on, James. Like, come on, man. Sit this one out. Pause. This is not the time to be doing this. And I'm fool with James. Like I said, he come highly decorated, man. Two-time all-pro.

Two-time Super Bowl champion. Five-time, you know, pro-bola. Come on, my nigga. Like, yo, whatever. We didn't go right. Let's talk about that behind this thing. Don't put that on my Pro Bowl, I mean,

on my Hall of Fame opportunities, man. That's what we do it for, right? That's why we're playing. It's like, you know what I'm saying? Niggas, man, I'm telling you. The problem, murder. We're in the brother polite era. We ain't in the...

And the Dr. Umar, right? I'm disappointed. Yeah, you're right. But I'm disappointed in Dbo for saying that, man. You got to think about this. The Steelers are actually waived him in 2013. He retired in September 2014. Then Mike Tomlin bring him back.

to the team later on right after he retired because then he got waived then he got retired so then you know our niggas would be like well when the Steelers brought you back after you got waived and he's like no I wasn't waived

I was retired but you was waived first then you retired yeah I actually wasn't waived you were a wave I wasn't we were waved

We were waving at you. Yeah, but now they brought me back from retirement. Then later on that season, I forget the player's names. I can't remember. I remember all this in real time when I happened because I was like, oh, shit, Dibo back. That's dope.

Because I like the Mizzolama. He's a tough nigga. That niggas tough. He's a mean linebacker. So I liked his attitude. And I remember them asking him about how, you know, what do you think about Mike Tomlin bringing you back.

And this was 2014 or 15, whatever the year was. It was more than 10 years ago. And he said, I ain't come back for Mike Tomlin. I came back for so-and-so and so-and-so. He named like two or three other players he came back for. And when I watched it, I'm like, this is the product of that today. He was setting up for this life. He'd been much not a fuck with Mike Tomlin for him to even make that comment back

then because he bought you in. I don't know, to be honest with you murder, Mo, none of this shocked me no more. This shit is the wild wild west on the internet money. They're just saying anything, doing anything. None of this really shocked me. It's disappointing. What I am like, what I do like to hear, though, is the Ryan Clarks of the world and the other Pittsburgh Steelers saying, do we need to have a players-only meeting with all the alumni, quote-unquote,

now retired players from the Steelers saying, y'all got Mike Tomlin fucked up. And Mayan Clark said, we may need to have a players-only meeting and do this on the show because y'all are being disrespectful to Mike Thomas. So I do like the fact that it is former Pittsburgh Steelers coming to his side and defending him, saying there's no way that you should be saying this about Mike Tomlin. So I do want to give a lot of credit to the other Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh Steelers that have Mike Tomlin back. Yeah, man, where is Heinz Ward, man?

That's what we need to hear from. Yeah, I'll just add even to this. It's like even if you felt like there needed to be changed or you wanted to see something different, I just feel like taking a hit on his like, you know, pro football Hall of Fame thing. Like, I don't understand what you gain from that. Like, I know you're supposed to analyze and say what you think should happen,

but I don't feel like that moves anything. Like it's just kind of, it does come across as like hating. And it's like, I don't know if you're taking impersonal things because of certain things that happen. But it's just like, I don't like to see that type of stuff. Y'all could figure that out in private, literally two Mace's point. Because why are you standing up at the wedding? You could just say like, hey, I don't only think this is the girl for you. Just beforehand, like you ain't got to do it in front of all the people like that.

It's a lot. Standing up in the wedding is a new one. I got to run with that because that's real. That's hating. That's hate from close range, you know what I'm saying? That's a nigga right there with you. You think is clapping with you. Yeah.

And you waited all this time. You had a seat at the table. Yeah. You dressed up. You literally got ready for this day. Somebody that'll dress up, they hate on you is dangerous. A lot. So I actually, yeah.

What do you think, Mo and Kill about that? Somebody who actually bought an invite, I mean, get the invite, dress up. And drive all the way out there. Just the hate on you. You could have told them that the day before. You should have not come. Pause.

What do I think? People around us every day. Yeah. I'm about to say, niggas, that happened to me all the time. I just said there around us every day. Yeah.

Yeah. That should, yeah. That shit ain't. know to me. That's that. Real quick, I do have like a follow-up question regarding this because one of the big things that he talked about was coaching trees. So basically not being able to put other people on. So just in life and really this is to you all Mason Cam, do you guys feel like, or maybe you don't, like do you guys judge artists in the industry based on talent that they discover and put on or do you think that their legacy should kind of stand alone? Like what is your opinion on that?

since we've talked about coaching trees and he's like, well, these assistants didn't do this. Like, how do you guys feel about that in the music industry? Well, that's pretty interesting. I look at it the same way as sports. Like Michael Jordan has not been able to get the Charlotte's Hornet team to win. It has nothing to do with Mike as a player to me. It has nothing to do with it. You know, sometimes people try to make up for what they couldn't do with other people.

And I understand that, but your legacy is your legacy, right? And what somebody else does with your legacy is not your legacy, right? That's what they've done with the legacy. And you've got to be able to separate it too. That's just like, I can't look at Mike for what his sons are doing, right? I can't give Del Curry the credit for what Stefan Curry is doing. You know, Del Curry era is Del Curry's era. And then Stephen Curry error is his error.

Just like we're watching, we're watching a phenom. get raised right now, right, in Gilbert Arena's son. And I can't put that on Gilbert's jacket, even though Gilbert was an amazing player. You got to give Gilbert his credit for what Gilbert did, and then you got to give the young boy his credit for what he's doing, unless you're going to have people living in people's shadows, and that's never really good. So shout out to the Arenas family. She's been bawling, for real.

Even a better example of that is Carlos Bood. son. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Carlos Boozer son is going crazy. But, makes that's interesting

to know. Is that the reason you gave up on Harlem World? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. This is, this is, James Harrison, right?

Yeah. It is, that is, ha, ha. Ha, ha. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, with friends like these, who need enemies, right?

Yeah. No, but for real, that's a good point, killer. That's a good point. That's a really good point. That's a really excellent point. I got to think about that. Is that why I gave up on them? I didn't really give up on them.

I think I was in just a transition mentally and they were actually moving. But the good part about them is that I was so hot at the time. They went, they actually are certified gold. That's the amazing part about it. I was just about to say that. Yeah. They have a gold album.

They got a gold album just off the arm. You know what I'm saying? So that's fire. That's. so that's interesting so you're attributing your career to them going gold

so basically you're kind of responsible for them going gold if it's off the muscle you're saying so let me ask you this but it shouldn't be that way but I'm saying it shouldn't be that way everybody should be able to

stand on their own so what I'm saying is this if they went gold off the or how Hachu was. Yeah. Do you feel they wasn't that good? No, I think, I think, actually, I think it was a lot of,

you're like a murder. No, for real, I think they went to gold off of me because their talent didn't get, time to really curate. Like, you look at somebody like, No, Loon that came out of that group. Loon goes on to do amazing things and make amazing records.

with Puff. Then you get Cardin who goes on to do and collaborate, you know, with this whole Nelly album, right, which goes 10 times platinum two times. So there's a lot of great things come out of that. Then you got a HUD that comes out of that, God bless that goes on to help Benzino, goes on to help the source, goes on to be with dipset. It was a lot of promise that came out of there. Even Blinky Blink in my sister's state, she made a few dollars. It was my way of giving everybody a check, you know, without giving the money out of my pocket. And if really, if we were talking, that would have been our deal. That would have been me, you and and somebody else. So I really think, I think it worked out.

No, I think it was great too. You just left them niggins though. Just got about it. I think he's one gold and said I did what I had to do. I'm out. Niggis get you. Nigger make you, nigga help you go gold. It's on you at that point. I would think.

Mota, you help me go gold. I ain't asked you for nonsense. Yeah, man. Nigger put your, you can say water, this is horse, pause.

Horse, this is water, you know? They got to take it from there. Right, Mo? They got to take it. I'm with you. Yeah,

That's a lot of, that's a lot of, what you call it. I even think about that sometimes like, Mo. Is there anybody from Ohio State that you feel like you help like that? Yeah, I help a ton of people. I help a ton of people now. But, you know, my success and what I do for myself and what they do with the opportunities I give to them is solely on them. And then that's all I do.

But I explained it from the beginning as I got older. I'd say, hey, I give you an opportunity. If you fuck it up, that's on you. but I don't want to be responsible for another man. You know, I'm past those days. And killer, what would you say? Let's give you the same question. It is for everybody.

I asked the question one more time. I was so intrigued. I was so intrigued. Yeah. No, you're good. That was good. These are good follow-ups. We need these answers.

Okay. So the way I formulated, I said, do you judge artists in the music industry by talent they discover and put on or do you think that their legacy should stand on their own work alone? Yeah. Do you want to be responsible for what niggas is doing today? That's, you know, I don't really kill her. I don't really want to go down this, this, this, this road. But if you want to go, I'm, I'm, I'm in third gear. You, you, you, I think that I think that you answered the question correctly is that

what you try to do for other people you try to do for them if they can't complete it and follow through, that's what in them but that shouldn't be a part of your leg. I think the Michael Jordan analogy was perfect. Like, yeah, okay, I can't be the best owner

in the world, but don't forget, I'm the best player in the world. You know, you got some boxers too or former boxers who aren't that good at boxing or wasn't that great at boxer. I won't say good, but they turned out to be world-class trainers. You get what I'm saying?

So it's like, I think that you answered it correctly. I was just more interested in the Holland World perspective of it, but I think everything you said, look, I took you to the water. I taught you out of fish, go fish, nigger. Look, I can't make you drink the water, nigga. You told me you you thirsty. I showed you where it's at. That's on you.

A lot of times with me, when I had artists, that's why I don't deal with artists like that anymore is that to me it's like a lot of them when they go broke they start blaming you when you get them the money everything is all fine and dandy

and killer there's no killer did this and that third but they squander it and then they don't have the money and then they start talking about yo nigger robbed me no I didn't rob you you

you bought three cars when you moved to exit six, exit six on the New Jersey Turnpike, I didn't tell you to go move by Great Adventure, Six Flags and all that, in a non-story townhouse. You know, when you get your first bit of money as a new artist, it's a lot of things that you want to do to make up for what you're not having, growing up in that environment. And when you think, when you get that first initial money,

you think that this is the way it's going to be forever because you like, I'm hot, I'm going to keep working, so on and so forth. But music changes, and you have to be able to reinvent yourself with music, and sometimes people don't really realize that. Like, you got to think about this, right? Like, let's just think of, just using 90s real quick as hours. You know, you had a tribe called Quest and them, niggas, with native tongues. It was like a backpack crew for the,

younger audience that don't know. And then you had Dr. Drake reinvent himself with Snoop Dog and Death Road. And you say, you know what? The East Coast niggas start coming around when you got somebody like Puff and Mason Biggie and saying, look, man, we're going to do some fly shit, man, fuck that. Then what happens two, three years later, you get a rough-ass nigga like DMX who changes the climate again. You got to learn how to stay relevant through all these temperatures. And I don't think everybody knows how to weather those storms. So that can't be yell for because you got them the money initially. That doesn't mean that you have to keep giving their money. I tell me that's all the time. Like, I got you the money. I'm not your accounting though. That was all you to maintain your

money. And now if you don't got no more, it's not my fault that I didn't make you 100. Don't say I make you hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars. You squander it and you didn't keep hustling. You thought this was the way life is supposed to be. And they're just not good managing money. And that's where the blame comes in to me with a lot of artists. This is why all my artists now are AI. Let me add on to that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How many AI artists you got? 32. I don't deal with no emotions and nothing.

I don't deal with nobody. You know, yo, let me tell you, you said murder, no. As soon as you start fucking with, niggas, you know, they're surviving on their own and everything. As soon as you start fucking with them, you know, I ain't paid my running three months. I'm fucked up, killer. Yo, I got to pay for the funeral.

Nick ain't even die yet. Yo. Yeah, you ain't going to bleed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

she did a kid. How much is the kidney? 72,000. Yeah. All that's not happening. As soon as you start getting artists and I understand it, but, you know,

yeah, it's a lot of emotion that come with dealing with people. And to me, that's kind of, you know, just real quick, I think that's kind of where when I got to Rockefeller, I kind of think that's what played a part. into that breaking up murder because you got to think about this,

you got Brooklyn niggas, and then you got Harlem niggas, and then you got Philly niggas. And it's like seven, eight people per state. It's a lot of personalities for manage. You have to think about all these personalities that you have to keep under one umbrella and manage. And if one person is doing better than the other,

they'll be like, you know, how come he's, doing this. I've been here longer. Like when I got the Rockefeller murder, you know, I was coming from a bad situation and Sony, so as soon as I got there, I put my foot on the pedal and there was all gas. I remember it was two walking closets, murder.

We cleared them shits out. We got some deaths. We got the niggas who worked in the Universal Building and put phones inside of them walking closets and turned them in the office because they had cubicles in front of them. And then you had some niggas who was there long enough. I won't say who. I ain't no problem with, but they said, they're like, how can't get an office?

Nah, that's it was a closet. Y'all niggas been here for four years. Y'all ain't see this shit. Yeah, he's just, my office, man. You just saw more opportunities, and that's, and that's credit to your visionary eye, you know, and some people don't have that. Some people could walk into a situation

and just see what this could be. And when you can see it before everybody, you're actually the person that take the brunt of everything pause. And that's just what comes with being a visionary. I remember, you know, meeting a few guys, and I was just like, yo, this guy's going to be special. People didn't see it. They was like, yo, I don't see that.

I said, okay. It was like, he's too old. I said, okay. Then by the time it turned around, the whole city is looking in his direction. And I'm like, man, this is the same. that all of y'all said was too old. This is the same person.

None of you wanted to take the call for. And now it's all of your best friends. It's just weird how hip hop happens like that. So this is a really good conversation. Who are you talking about? Huh? Who are you talking about? I wouldn't say his name.

Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. And then Maris, did you have one more question before I move on? Well, no, I mean, it would be belabor at a point, but I was, what I was going to say to Cam's point was that I think a lot of stuff, I don't care if it's artists, I don't care if you're doing business and you have friends. But where I think people mess up, this is just for people in the comment section. Everybody, when they connect with somebody, I think famous or who has, like, status, I think everybody considers everything below that person's status as a failure.

And I think people really mess up with them trying to become the person that's really given them the opportunity. So if things don't pan out in their life the way that's pan out for them, they look at it as an opportunity. So like it may say, all these dudes end up having different opportunities. I think that if dudes actually just shifted their mind and say, okay, you know, if this is all I got out of music, like I've made it a lot further than somebody else. And so maybe they need my car is to be a superstar. everybody doesn't have the personality nor do they have the seats for everybody to be a superstar. And I think that's where people build resentment around,

like, I don't know, just from bad perspective. Yeah. Where you could just say, hey, man, if I've only taken it this far and this is all I had in the car for me to do music, that's all of what it is. I just make the most out of that. And so I just think that that would help somebody

if they just view things different rather than thinking that the person who's giving me the opportunity, I have to be as big as them pause. Yeah, I think being able to pivot and being able to turn water the wine, for example, I just think that's that. You have to be a special person to do that because what really is happening that we're really talking over is really they're just pocket watching. That's all it really is.

They're pocket watching. So as long as they, it looks like you're giving them, you're lending them your legacy, right? If you're letting somebody stand next to you, you're lending them your legacy. When Ken was letting people stand by him, he was lending his legacy to them. If somebody's standing next to me, I'm lending them my legacy. And the same for everybody here. So when a person first gets into the business, they're so excited because they do understand that you're lending them your legacy. But then when things don't go right, it's kind of like just so heartbreaking to see people constantly just going.

on against people that you know this person helped you. This is the same person that put you on. This is the reason we know you. This is the plane you came on, right? And now you're shooting at the same plane that you came on is just crazy. It's crazy. Like to me, even though I've been through many things, even like with the label that I, that I was, you know, given an opportunity on, if he never goes at me and I didn't have to

clear my name, I would never go against them. But I couldn't do that. You know what I'm saying? Because of just what it is that I believe if somebody turn a light on for you, that's just the person. You got to value that, even though you can't value what they've done or what they've done to people. You don't have to value any of that. I don't have to stand for any of that. But I can value the opportunity that was given to me. I would have been working at UPS. Who knows? You know, I was, before that, I was working at the AMC theater. I was calling killer. I was fighting at the AMC theater.

That was the first job I had. Yeah. And to think that you come that far, right? That's, it's just, it's just beautiful. Yeah. So I don't, I don't have, um, a lot of things I can say, but when I tell my story, I'll have to tell my story. I, I wouldn't just like, um, shoot down and somebody else.

Yeah. I don't get my millions that way. My money comes through blessings, man. I don't get my money though. I hate that. Well, that was a good discussion. And then even to May, Smarries and Cannes point, like I do think that you embrace the moment that is given to you.

Because even for me, I know I'm not an artist, but y'all discovered me as talent, right? And that's something that, one, I'm going to be forever grateful for. And two, it's one of those things that's like, I see the opportunity was given to me. And it's like, I know whether you guys, however you guys decide to view it, I'm like, one, because my respect is up here for y'all, I'm like, one, I want to be able to prove things to myself and to y'all.

Like, okay, y'all didn't just give me this opportunity. I'm just going to stay here and just make it be that. I also want to be able to stride and do things in different ways and different lanes, but just because it might not be what other people picture for me or even necessarily what you guys might expect it to be pictured for me. As long as it's success that makes sense to me, I think that's ultimately what matters. So people are going to view things in different ways. people are going to tell you how you should do things. And I think ultimately that's going to come down to you. But I don't think you should ever be ungrateful.

I hate to see people kind of like shit on people who help them get to the points of life that they got to because it's all part of that process and all part of that journey. So what you decide to do with it, I think, definitely. Yeah. Another thing I was thinking about was when you think of like when people see you, like brands, I think young artists need to know this, promoters need to notice. Beat makers need to notice. Singers need to notice. There's a world of sponsors in a world, in a community of wealth, that's watching you do this to another entity.

So when they see you do this to another entity, even though it lasts and you're hot about what you're saying, anybody watching you should be like, it's probably like, I would never hire him, or I'll never give him this type of opportunity, because if he'll do this to this person, he'll definitely do it to me. And I don't think people in this generation consider that.

And they need to start considering that. Good points, good advice, and good. A lot of money they're losing by doing that. Because there's somebody else watching it that may want to give you a few million dollars. But now that they're watching this, they're like, hmm. And that's probably why a lot of things go well for me behind the scenes

because people look at that and they're like, man, you, you, did say something, but you waited a thousand years. You, you know I'm saying? It's like, you, you let it go on as long as it could go on, and then you had to say something. You had to say something. Yeah. It was right

to you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, y'all. Should the NBA embrace tanking, we will discuss after the break. All of shit, yeah, we the shit. All year round is money sees. Every flip counts. I got rich over this bounce.

Girl, ain't no sales in We ain't looking for a discount. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. So the Pistons will play the Knicks. Underdog has Cade cutting him at 24 and a half points. Do you have them higher, lower Mace? 24 points, Kay. I'm going higher. Cam.

That's a good one. The Knicks have been losing to Detroit by 30 points the last couple times they lost and they're playing at home in the garden. The Knicks should come out and want to make a statement. I'm going to go lower only because the Knicks have something to prove. This is the number one team in the East K.

Cunningham is leading that team and they want to try and close in on that gap pause. even if they don't win, you don't want to lose by 30. Hopefully they'll come out if you're a next fan and do what they're supposed to do because they're losing by average of 30 points at the moment to the business. Jalen Brunson's at 26.5. Do you have higher, lower, Cam?

Higher. Mace. I'm going to go higher. Okay, and Kat is at 19.5 points. Do you have them higher, lower, Mace? I'm going to go high as well. Okay. Make sure you all down on the Underdog app and you can make your picks too.

So Mark Cuban says the NBA should embrace tanking. The reason being the NBA should worry more about fan experience than taking. It should worry more about pricing fans out of games than tanking. He said, you know who cares the least about tanking, a parent who can't afford to bring their three kids to a game and buy their kids a jersey of their favorite player. tanking isn't the issue, affordability, and quality of game presentation are.

Maurice, how do you feel about what Mark Cuban said and then what's your opinion on tanking in the NBA? Yeah, I was surprised that he said, but he has a different perspective, obviously, being an owner, but I don't know how I would feel, well, I'm a Cleveland Browns fan, so I feel like we've been tanking forever, you know what I'm saying? But I don't know how, I just don't know as a fan

if I knew my team was tanking. Is he, now, after you heard, after you read that question, I guess I was confused. Is he saying that by tanking it makes the tickets more affordable to people? That's one of the things. He actually has a really long quote tweet, and I could read the rest of it, but it's, it's up to your discretion. I just, I just, I just tell you what I thought. No, I thought it was like, I'll just say like this. It's just a bad idea.

I wouldn't want my team to tank on purpose, to be losing on purpose. to hopefully get somebody, but I do get what he's saying. Price of tickets and tanking have nothing to do with one another. That's owners wanting to make profits. You can make the tickets, whatever you want to make them for because you're the owner of the organization. So I don't see how one has anything to do with the other. But me personally, I wouldn't think that he would say that, but that was surprising to me.

That's why it was a topic. Yeah, when you make your tickets for $1, I mean, you can make it for anything. but how much profit you think he would be making if the tickets come down that low? I don't think you could go but so low, even as the owner. You got to keep it to where the business could be profitable. We was just on a call yesterday, and the guy was sharing that. He's like, you know, the business is right here this year. We're trying to grow the business.

And then there's times where you're trying to make profit off the business. And then when you're trying to make profit off the business, It's not about how much it grows. It's about how much profit you could actually get out of it. So just understanding the different times of business will help people to make better decisions, I would think. I'm surprised Mark Cuban said this out loud. I wouldn't say this as an owner out loud. For instance, right, three, four days ago, do Utah Jazz just got five, $500,000?

for sitting players that's not hurt. So they asked Adam Silver about this over the weekend at All-Star Break, and he says he's going to be looking into it and investigating him and seeing who's just sitting down and who's really hurting, who's really not. You know, you can't really get a grasp on who's hurt and who's not. But Utah just randomly sat down, the whole fucking start-and-five, so to speak. but Utah is not a secret. What they want to do is keep that kid, AJ, that goes to BYU.

In the state of Utah, you know, they brought him there for high school. They got him in BYU. He's making about $6, $7 million, maybe close to $8 million. They don't want that kid to leave the state. And that's been a plan for a long time to where if he stays in Utah, goes to the Utah Jazz because he's going to be a top three pick in this upcoming draft.

And the more lottery balls Utah have, the bigger chance they have to get him. You got to, the BYU, and no disrespect the BYU, I think it's an outstanding university period. I think it's a great school.

But there's no way in the world they should have the number one play in college. Now, you can argue to say Cameron Boozer's number one, but I'm talking about high school ranking for the number one player to go to BYU, it just doesn't happen. But the money is here, man. You know, the boosters in Utah's kicking in.

And I think if the Utah Jazz honestly don't have a good, I don't know what comes first, well, of course the lottery comes first, I think if they don't have a top two, three pick, I think they'll go back to school. I think they'll ship them another $3, $4,000, stay in school until we get this together. But that's what's going on.

I think that's why Mark, he's making $8 million, right? Making $8 million, yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm trying to say. The nigga making $8 million as a rookie, pardon me, as a freshman in high school. This is not by accident. This is by design. They don't want that kid to leave the state.

And so I think these are why Mark Cuban's comments came out, not saying he's defending what Utah did, but he tried to reverted into fans and this down to third and that's y-Z. So they're basically saying if a team is losing, then a poor kid could go barming to a game. Now, Mark, you up to something, too. I don't know what it is, but it sounds sneaky and devious. You know Mark on Shark Tank,

he'd know how to plummet somebody else stock to go behind them and buy it. So that's how to what it's. sounds like to me. I was going to say that, though, killer, I was like, if they get, if somebody get the first pick,

do you actually go with him first? Or do you go with Carlos Buzer son? I think Buzer's number one. I think, you know, I'm just saying to me, I like Buzer better than him, but he,

coming out of high school, he was the number one ranked high school player. And then Carlos Buzer's son. I think Carlos Buzer's son to me, I would have him first. But what I'm saying is, this. If Utah don't get the first three picks,

I don't even think he goes in the draft this year. Because they don't want him to lose the state. He's not going lower than third. That's just that. So if Utah some type of way don't get the top three pick, I think they find an additional

$3.2 million somewhere and say stay at BYU. Let us figure this thing out. That's my opinion. Okay, y'all. That is all the time that we have for today. Maurice, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. I learned something today.

I appreciate it. Okay, y'all. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.