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Episode Date: April 8, 2025

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Use code MACECAM or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus credits with your first deposit and a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson, AKA STATbaby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Killer was good, man. Man, what's up, man? How you doing? Man, I had a great weekend, man. What'd you do?

I won all weekend in Killer. Did you? Yeah. You didn't have to. You picked Duke. We'll start there. Oh, goodness. We'll start absolutely there.

I do know what's crazy. I had Nick. Don't go. Everything was standby. Don't go. I told Nick before the show started. I already told him. I said Florida and Duke.

No, you did not. I did say Florida and Duke. No, you picked Connecticut. I did say Florida and Duke. No, you picked Connecticut. You definitely picked the females in Connecticut. But you picked Duke. I already got it queued up, just in case for this moment. I knew this. See, that's why I took my time. Yep.

You know? I'm glad. I'm glad, because I already got it queued up, just in case. You got what queued up? Your picks, because you was right about Connecticut, but you picked Duke. I didn't say Florida? No, I said Florida.

That's who said Florida. I can't go against the home team, Kelly. That's what you did. You actually did. You actually did. You picked Duke and you picked Connecticut. Duke wasn't in it. What are you talking about?

Duke wasn't in it. It was Houston and Florida. Before the break it was four teams like Mason. Oh yeah, okay. Okay, it's wild. I can't go against that, I thought Florida was a given because I'm from Florida. Well that what makes you happy, man.

That what makes you happy, bro. That was because we was having a KUVA flag conversation. That's who you picked, a KUVA flag conversation. That's who you picked. That's who you went with. I said the kid might be Christian Leighton, but he missed a shot. He missed the same shot.

We'll get into it later, but. It's not a problem. We're actually gonna get into it now. Yeah. Actually. Hey, I'm trying not to jump the gun. I'm ready. Okay, usually I step in.

You can't go against the home team. You can't. You shouldn't. You can't go against the home team. You can't, you shouldn't. You can't go against the Crib. You know? Not from Gainesville, actually. Same difference, what'd you say before we came on here? You can't go against the home team. All right, all right, don't change the tone,

cause Cam here, you can tell us. I'm not changing, I always stick with Florida, but it's still different, But let's start with Florida. So first of all, congratulations to the Florida Gators. They won his third NCAA championship in school history. Like I predicted. After beating Houston 65 to 63, we can call this the real title town, I think, right now.

Yeah, yeah. What were your thoughts on the game, your predictions, and the way it ended? Yeah, I mean, this game was really full circle for me when you think about it. Because all roads lead back to the crib, you know? And I'm glad Cam could partake, you know? I'm glad he could be a part of the game-nation. I would like to ask you one question for you, because I want you to continue. I just want to ask you a question. And I don't mean could partake, you know? I'm glad he could be a part of the gay nation.

I would like to ask you one question before you continue, because I want you to continue, I just want to ask you a question. All right. And I don't mean no offense to anybody who's about to ask the question, because this nigga's always talking like, do you consider Buffalo New York City?

I'm just asking. Or Poughkeepsie? Or Rochester, do you consider it New York City? And I'm not-, or Poughkeepsie, or Rochester. Do you consider it New York City? And I'm like, Syracuse. Syracuse, I'm just wondering, is that just New York? Or is that just New York State?

If you do, it's cool, I just wanted to know how you feel. No, I know people up there. Me too, me too. A shout out to the people I do know, but how do you feel about it? You gonna tell them that New York is not New York? I think they're New York state. I don't think they're New York city.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's right. New York city is different. Okay, that's all I want to know. The fire barrels in New York city. I don't make the rules, you know. Me neither, I just wondering, that's why I was just wondering, so the whole Florida together,

but the whole New York's not together. I went to- No, Florida is actually different because it's, you got North Florida, then you got South Florida, right? So I'm really from the North that way, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

I knew that would be wrong. I'm gonna refrain my thoughts. I feel it's like West Florida, though. Yeah. Yeah, that's like West. But it's right under, it's like right when you leave Georgia. They're gonna tell you they don't want you. I promise you they won't.

I promise you they're gonna be like... I was in Gainesville when they had the carnival. When I was five, seven years old, I've been there, champ. Wow. This is not a new thing for me. It's not like Colorado, or it's not like Kansas City. This is, this is. So your man Kansas City is new?

No, I'm saying this is. So that's what you just said. But you didn't say. This is Spider-Man, nigga, this is in the blood. But you didn't say Gainesville, you said Jacksonville. So now I'm lost. Oh my goodness, Stat. What he really said was Duke.

But God. Stat, Stat, I got family. Okay. Alumni's in Florida, Davis. Okay. That's why when you brought up the Seminoles, that's why I never really went for Miami. Okay.

I understand the rivalry. Yeah. Yeah, I really understand it. You wouldn't dare put that flag up rivalry. Yeah. Yeah, I really understand it. You wouldn't dare put that flag up there. Yeah. So I understand, you know? Why didn't you pick them though? You picked Duke.

No, I was just saying that Duke should win because they had cool flag, but I wasn't going for them. You know, there's a difference. Who should win versus who's going to win is two separate things. But you know, I'm not difference. Who should win versus who's going to win is two separate things. But you know, I'm not here to argue, Cam. I'm here. I'm relaxed. It's a debate show.

All right. All right. So you actually are here to argue. OK. We're debating. We're debate. We're debating. Here goes some more rings.

I don't have no more fingers. Pause. Stat. I'm going to need new hands. Pause that. I'm gonna need new hands. Pause, because I got too many titles. You go with Cold Cam, and now... And now... And when it come to the championship games,

go with Cold Champ. They should give me a new code. Cold Champ. That's give me a new code. Code Champ, that's gonna be my new code. Nah, but this game, whoever that guy was that lost the ball off his leg. Emmanuel Sharp. And then jumped in the air and lost the ball.

I don't know what to say about that, man. This looked like Houston was gonna get their first title. You know, they was here in 98, I meant, 90, 80, 1983, they was here in 1984. And to think that Houston keeps getting this close. I don't think they ever was this close to a championship though. They were up 12.

It seemed like it was a foregone conclusion that they were gonna win. And it just fell apart. And I don't know how, because you got a team like Houston that played so hard. They came back several times in the tournament and to lose this way was just dramatic. This is not the way you want to lose.

They didn't get a shot in the last 20 or so seconds. They had two chances to get a basket and each time they either lost the ball or, you know, just pretty much turned it over. And I was surprised to care with the, with the wild here that was playing a point that he didn't actually just take the shot itself. And this is kind of what Cam was you were saying, Killa, when we was when we was kids, you got to get a basket.

You got to get a shot. He loses it off his leg and then he jumps in the end, throw the ball down. I would not want to be in a locker room with them right now. I would not want to be on on eating room with them right now. I would not want to be on eating breakfast with them on the way home, because everybody is thinking, yo, bro, you made your money in Vegas. That's got to be what's going through their minds. There's no way you couldn't get a shot.

Not both times. One time you lose it off your leg. The next time you got to get a basket. But shout out to the Florida Gators. You got a new head coach You know, he just get there within like three or four years 39 years old he turned his team around Gets them to the championship and actually execute over a very season

very poised and a very knowledge knowledgeable, Kelvin Sampson. And my heart go out to him because he's never won a championship. He's always gotten here, had a great Oklahoma team, different teams over the years, and he got another chance, he got to do it. And just his team came up short. It was heartbreaking.

Yeah, you actually put it into great words as far as the game's concerned. They blew it, pause. Yo, my nigga. Yo, my nigga. It drives me fucking crazy, I can't lie. Definitely drives me crazy. When I see teams,

I bust it, before we get to this game, I watched Houston when they played Auburn. And I'm sitting there like, yo, how many fucking mistakes can you make? I don't even know how Houston beat Auburn, to be honest with you. A nigga, they full court pressing, and the nigga reaches over the fucking,

over the outer bounds, and I smacks it out of the hand. And I'm like, before the ref called it, I'm like, that's a tech, you learned that in bitties. What are you doing? You're smacking the ball from the nigga out of bounds? This all less than a minute seemed like. Less than two minutes, they down. But Coach Samson, he stayed in it.

Be honest with you, I think they was gonna be Auburn because of all the mistakes. They down like, they down in less than a minute with like three points, something like that. I can't remember, because I'm just fresh off of the last game. And they're trying to run a play. And I'm like, okay, I dig it, run a play.

But it's not like one of them quick plays. It's one of them shits where they trying to set up. Listen, man, when you, and when it's like that, you gotta have a nigga on the team to be like, yo, listen, I don't need a screen if they double, come, cut, pause, cut this way, boom. Certain niggas know when it's time, move out the way, because we need a basket. And when Houston even against Auburn, I didn't see that.

Then we see it tonight. No wonder we ain't see, go get us a basket. Nigga dribbled off his leg. Not only that, you get caught in the air, can't touch the ball on the last play, and that's how you lose. You get two possessions and don't get a shot off. That's ridiculous.

That's, I don't, and to be honest with you, I'm not gonna act like I kept up with Houston all year, but watching them these last couple games, I'm like, how did they get here? Like pure perseverance and good coaching, great coaching. Cause they, for them to be in the championship with that team, and I'm not saying that team isn't decent They were pretty good

But you don't have a go-to the best person on the team was the big man and it's like yo, bro You got to drop it into him. And if you don't drop it into him, he wasn't all he didn't do that Well in the championship to me honest with you, I don't know how they got there. I didn't see them all year, but there's a number one seed, so the committee knew what they was doing. Back to Florida, like Mase said, Coach been there three years from San Francisco. He came and did his damn thing,

but I ain't gonna hold you, bro. They got a nigga they could go to. He didn't play necessarily well in the championship game. Yeah, he didn't play well in the championship game, but you gotta think about this. He had 11 points, and I'm sorry, I'm talking about Walter Clay. He is nice.

He busts they ass in the semis to get to the chip, but you had to prepare for him. They double teamed him, that's why he didn't get off, but he made all the right reads, passing his own point, everything. He's gonna be a lot of repick, but you gotta go to, nigga. I know one thing, if the game was on the line,

he woulda had the ball and said, move out the fucking way now. If niggas woulda double teamed him, he probably woulda made the right read, but what can I say? What I will say is this, all weekend, these were great games. I'm talking about the final four went down

to the wire both games. And then to be totally honest with you, yesterday, I left the house, Houston was up 12, I'm like, they gonna win. I get to the barbershop, the game's fucking tied up with two minutes left. It was a great game. All weekend, I cannot say more about the NCAA

and the final four. I don't know the last time I watched final fours this good with three games, man. Yeah, he caught fire. He caught fire when they was down 12. That's when he started balling. Well, I mean, don't get me wrong. He was making the right reads in the first half too,

you're right. But, you know, he had 34 to 11. It's just different, but I didn't see it, like I said, I thought it was a foregone conclusion. I'm glad I caught the last two minutes, but from what Mason's telling me, he must have scored when they needed him to score. Yeah, when there was time, he turned it on.

And shout out to Richard. I thought he should have been the player of the game, realistically, because when they were getting slaughtered, he was pretty much the only person just kept hitting threes, kept hitting threes, kept hitting threes. He actually got the deflection off the leg of Houston, and he actually was on the side of when they was going to die for the ball.

So all of the plays that count, he was involved with all of that. So shout out to him as well. I know there's no sportsmanship, but he definitely kept him around until, what's his name Clayton? Because he could get busy. That was a heartbreaking loss.

I just thinking about it. Because if you never won a championship and you like, we have 12, you could see them kind of celebrating. And I remember when they went in the locker room, I was like, if I'm the coach of Florida, I'm telling the team this, good thing you don't win championships in the first half.

Cause they will be the champs right now. And that kind of momentum is what they came out playing like, you know what, we just gotta stay around. And the big men even did their job, even though they weren't that skilled, they would just run in the floor and get in the easy basket. And I remember I was watching,

I think it was one of the guys on doing the analyst, they was like, well, you go for the win. Nah, not necessarily. If you down two, all you need is two. You don't lose the game trying to get a three. You really just need the basket. And anything that could prolong the game or keep you around, that's what you're supposed to do.

You're not supposed to just go for the three, just to go for the three. You're supposed to get the two if you're only down two. Yeah. Overall, a great game, a very unfortunate ending, and I hope they leave that boy alone on Houston, because I already know the stakes with them. Oh yeah. Because you know how people get, I'm like,

I'm already pissed, it already went this way, you know how people get. Hopefully, they keep it kind of calm, but shout out to Florida for winning. Leave it, yo. Yo, Stai, you in the wrong business, man. I'm not playing. Yeah, but what I'm saying is you always want some sympathy

for somebody when it's not a sympathy business, yo. We are in the business, you wanna put your life on public display and be an athlete, entertainer, anything else, you deal with what comes with it because he would have been celebrated if he did what he had to do. People are mad at him. They're gonna be mad.

They're not gonna leave him alone for a couple days. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, it's gonna be a lot, but he couldn't touch the ball again. That's why I'm just like, damn. No, he should've shot the ball. He should've shot it. If somebody's running at you,

and you're shooting the ball, and he's running, Clayton is running that strongly at you, he's gonna foul you and then you're gonna get three free throws and you're the one to gain. Versus dropping the ball, I'd rather take my chances with shooting. When you get caught in the air like that, what you do is, and it's-

Throw it off his body. Throw it off his body. That's all you had to do. You get off his body. Throw it off his body. That's all you had to do. You get caught in the air, hit it off his body, and don't go out of bounds, you could touch the ball again. Yeah. Froze up. Hit it right off his shin, so he can't react fast.

And then get the ball back and get a basket. And then they would have said, oh, that was a genius play. You go from idiot to genius that fast. Listening is what it is. Fam, you get caught in the air, hit it right off his body. You got five, six seconds, your team, you gotta wait for a nigga

to get all the way over there. What do you think he was thinking, Killer, when he jumped in the air? I fucked up. I fucked it up for the city. Yo, bro. He had a gator running at him, Stat. Not a hurricane, he had a gator running at him. Supposed to drop that ball.

And at the same time, to be totally honest with you, you can't put yourself in that predicament to get caught in the air, bro, but Maester said the same thing I was gonna say. Stop trying to go for three when you only need two. Secondly, y'all waited too long in the shot clock. You tried to shoot one shot to see what was gonna happen. It was 13 seconds left. Go get a basket,

and that way if you miss, you got a second opportunity. If you miss and then they get the rebound, at least you can still foul, and then they get the rebound, at least you can still foul, and hopefully they don't make both free throws. Yeah, they were missing one of the free throws every time they shot, so I would have took my chances getting a basket.

Yeah, and you don't wait till the last minute to shoot. You got 13 seconds, shoot the ball with 10, 11 seconds in case it don't go in. And you can get an offensive rebound and shoot again, if not foul. Yeah, you can't hold a ball like that unless you got ice cream, Paul Sorrell. You ain't got that, excuse me, excuse me,

you can't hold a ball like that. You can't do that, man. Okay, so another winner, UConn. They defeated South Carolina 82 to 59. Mace, were you shocked by this win from the Huskies? Actually, I was shocked. I thought they should win because you got Paige. She's playing with all this emotion, but the two guard number 35 that got played a game.

As a fud? Yeah, she did a thing. She did a, she definitely came to play. And then you got strong. The freshmen came and played and balled out. I thought they would win, but I didn't think it would be a runaway game like this. You know, when it comes to being a classy program,

yes, you can lose. Certain days could be your day, but you don't get to the chip and get blown out. You just, that's disrespectful. That's on national TV. That's with scouts there. That's with NIL people that everybody's watching this. You don't go out like that. And I wasn't surprised that they won again, but I was surprised that they were able to pull away

by that many points. I thought Dawn Staley, hell of a coach, I thought that team gave her a meltdown. And it's probably gonna be a meme, cause she couldn't believe it. She was lullied up. She was dressed for success. And her team just did not back her up for some reason.

We talked about a coach last week's stat. I can't remember who it was. And you told me that the coach didn't say this or say that. Who was we talking about? You like, that's not the right thing to really say at this point in time. I think, it might have been football, oh no, the owner for Cleveland.

Yeah. Oh yeah. And you was like, yo. About the Sean Watson, yeah. Yeah, I don't think you said that. The reason I asked you that, because I want to ask you a question before I talk about the game.

When niggas ask Dawn Staley, how you feel for your players? And she said, I hope they crying. I hope they boo-hooing right now because that's what they get basically. That's what she said. And I'm paraphrasing, but verbatim she said, I hope they boo-hooing, I hope they crying

because this comes with losing and this what happens. And now you could go think about it. What do you think about when she said that? I feel like that's a little different. Because I feel like that's- Because she's a woman. No, no, no, no, no. I knew it, I thank you.

No, I feel like she's holding the players accountable. What happened to women empowerment? I'm good, that's all I knew, I knew it. No, I'm saying that's good, because she's holding them accountable. Okay, I knew it. I feel like the football coach, I just feel like you shouldn't say

that you're starting court, like you made the wrong choice in that. She's addressing the team rather than a singular player that you still have to work with for the next coming seasons. But why is that different? She's addressing more than a one person, she's addressing the whole team. That's what I'm saying, everybody.

I feel like that's different, I feel like that's good because that's holding the team accountable. I don't feel like that's different. I feel like that's good, because that's holding the team accountable. I don't feel like that's helping. You don't think she should be crying? Dawn Staley? I think status hold- She ain't gonna cry. I think the status going woman.

That's why I asked the question. Women empowerment. Because it's a black woman, and because she said it is different, but when a white man says it about a black person, it's different. No, because even if- Oh, I hear what you're saying, Killa.

Even if Gino said it to like, Yukon, say the rules were reversed, I still think that's fine. Yeah, you think it's fine because it's a white guy now. No, no, because Jimmy Haslam for the Browns is still a white man. I think holding the team accountable is fine. I think singling out a singular player, specifically your quarterback,

I just think that that should be an internal conversation saying that you made the wrong decision on your quarterback versus coming at your players and team as a whole after a loss. I understand what you're saying and I understand what Cam's saying. I'm gonna do what you do to me. I understand what you're saying.

Stay neutral. The thing about it is I don't care with nobody on this panel, thank you. I'm not here to be friends up here. When we get off the show, we can be friends. It's a debate show. I'm not really here to care about what nobody on this panel think. I'm not here to be friends up here. When we get off the show, we can be friends. It's a debate show. I'm not really here to care about what nobody think. I just really thought that you would say that,

and I was right that you would say that, because it's black female, and you could act like it's a single person or whatever. But that says nothing bad about any woman, which I respect. I dig the woman empowerment. But when you're on sports, you're on sports. It is what it is.

And right is right and wrong is wrong. Nah, because I feel like I also definitely call people out when needed. Yeah. You don't think it's needed? So the championship game is not needed? No, that's why I said this is fine. Oh, okay.

Well, Sanders murder is, I don't know if you remember the exact conversation last week when the Browns coach called out Deshaun Watts and Stad was like, I don't think that's called for, this that third. Dawn Staley is on the podium after the game saying, I hope they boo-hooing, I hope they crying, this what they get.

She ain't used to work this what they get. But she's like, this will come with it, this what happens. So I was like, I'm gonna ask Stad when we get on this show. Because for me it's the same vibe. She has a record of doing that. I think it's the same. You stand up for, cause you did the same thing with Ben Simmons.

As long as they have some white, you protect it. You protect it. That's also not true. Thank you. That's also not true at all. She'll protect it. But she don't have the energy for black people. That's also not true at all. As long as it's so white, she'll protect it. But she don't have the energy for black people. It's just crazy.

I'm going with because it's a female. That's why. I'm not going black and white. I'm going female empowerment. That's all I was going with. But as far as the game's concerned, listen, I actually, first of all, before we get to the finals,

I had picked UCLA to win, and UCLA got smacked. And when I watched that UCLA game, and I said to myself, this really boils down to fundamentals. And I know I was privileged to play on a team like Gauchos, who taught you real, pardon me, fundamentals at a young age. At nine, 10, 11 years old, you learn a pick and roll.

You don't argue with Sidney telling me, I know a pick and roll at 10, 11 years old, you learn a pick and roll. Just arguing with Cindy telling me, I know a pick and roll at 10, 11. And you learn fundamentals. And when I was talking about Lauren Betts last week, and I'm like, she's a problem, they really buckled down and it showed me that they're not learning fundamentals or certain things.

When you have their best player on the team as a post player, you have to learn to seal your defender and make sure they can't get around you. And not only that, entry passes into the big man. You know, we play a fast paced game now when it comes to the NBA college. So everybody's running and gunning, shooting threes, et cetera.

But when your best player is a big woman, pardon me, and I don't mean big, she's tall. The entry passes was sloppy. she's putting her hand up, she's arming, she's at least six, five, six inches taller than everybody when her hand is up, and you're trying to throw a bounce pass at it. Yeah, put the ball where her hand is. Exactly, and then the next thing is,

she's not sealing defenders, so when they are trying to throw it to where her hand is, they're coming around. I'm like, the fundamentals are really, really getting lost. And this is why European players and people from overseas are coming in and dominating. When you look at somebody like Luka, and I know we're jumping from female to men,

professional sports, but when you look at somebody like Luka, who's not fast, who's not athletic, but very skilled. When you look at somebody like the Joker, who's not fast, who's not athletic, but very skilled, because they are learning fundamental basketball, which is about to be totally lost when it comes to American basketball, because we wanna shoot threes, we wanna run and gun,

we wanna razzle dazzle, and the number one players in the world are not coming from America because of their fundamentals. Just wanted to point that out. So that's what happened with UCLA. But as far as the championship game, to be totally honest with you, when I seen it was gonna be

UConn against South Carolina, I wasn't shocked. I was thinking that possibly UCLA could get there, but they got smacked as well. But it wasn't shocking because Yukon smacked South Carolina about 30 earlier this season. At home in South Carolina. I was like, this is not a good matchup. They already got smacked. Not close.

This was the second ass-whippin They already got smacked, not close. This was the second ass-whipping they got from UConn this season. So when they played each other, I'm like, this isn't really shocking me. Back to another thing with South Carolina, same thing we were just talking about with the men. They had four or five different high scorers

throughout the, leading up to the tournament. Then during the tournament, they had different people leading the service, which is tournament. Then during the tournament, they had different people leading the service, which is good to have a balanced attack, but they didn't have a person you could go to. I'm talking about South Carolina, when the game's on the line, you'll move out the way. They had Fowali, but she was off.

She didn't have a good tournament. So they didn't have anybody to be like, move, I need to get coached with this third, this repeat championship, get our fourth chip. It was nobody on the team that could do that. And this is what I said leading into that, that they were looking subpar all season. For me, for them to get there,

it was just outstanding coaching by Don Sterle. But as far as the players, I didn't see anybody dominant like we seen Aliah Boston over the years or Asia Wilson. You know, UConn, pardon me, not UConn, South Carolina usually has a go-to player and this year they didn't. You know who had go-to players? UConn had go-to players and they was going to the go-to players and it wasn't necessarily Paige Becker.

Like Mase said, fun Fudd and Sarah Strong killed. What I will say about UConn is this real quick before we move on to the next subject. Gino and UConn have a master plan of marketing players year after year after year. It is always a star for UConn since the Maya Moore days, Maya Moore days, Tarasi days, they know how to keep a star. Because on the way with Paige Beckers being out,

now we are focused on Sarah Strong saying, God damn, she just broke all the freshman records in the NCAA tournament, and she's only a freshman. So now we have another three years of Sarah Strong. Not only that, fun is coming back next week. So now that Paige is on the way out, we're looking forward to these two new stars, and not only two new stars, Sarah Storm. We have three more years of her,

and she comes from a basketball background. Her family, her mother actually just won a ring being a VP with the Boston Celtics. She's gonna be really good. She's not just a random basketball player. She comes from a basketball family. So UConn always knows how to market and bring in the next star in when one star's going out. Shout out to Gina Oriyama and the UConn program.

And don't forget Sue Bird. Sue Bird started that campaign off. Yeah. So I wanna add, because this is a pretty cool stat. So looking at the ESPNW, basically rankings for the class of 2020, one was Paige Becker's, two Angel Reese, three Cameron Brink,

four Caitlin Clark, five Camila Cardoso. So with that being said, obviously all of those people have now won a college championship except Caitlin Clark, and all of them are in the WNBA except Paige Becker. So just hearing that, do you have an initial reaction to that? Is that surprising you to hear that stat about the women? No, not really, not really. I wouldn't make much of it because all roads lead

to the WNBA and once you get there, whatever you did in college does not matter. It's just like the NBA. You could have an amazing collegiate career and just get to the NBA and be forgotten about. And then there's people who are subpar in the collegiate level. And then they get to the NBA and the NBA style and the pace and everything is more fitting for that.

And then they become this star and people like, well, why wasn't they like this in college? Because colleges is not just politics like the NBA, but it's more superiors and people can protect all your weaknesses and the NBA, everybody is really good. Everybody is on that level the same way as the WNBA. So then it plays into your work ethic and how long and how durable can you be. And all of that shows up. And on that level, that doesn't show up in the college level.

So really quick, Mace, before you go, Kim, do you feel like a college championship isn't as important to somebody's overall career and legacy? Is that what you're saying, or you feel like a college championship isn't as important to somebody's overall career and legacy? Is that what you're saying, or you feel like it is important? I'm saying it's important, but it's not as important as a WNBA championship. Or an NBA championship. Yeah, you could have four college championships

and then get to the NBA and be a bus, and none of that really matters. We've seen it. We've seen people that excel. I mean, Duke is the poster child for people who have exceeded in college and then get to the NBA. And pretty much we don't even know of them. I could give you a list,

but it would be too disrespectful to a lot of people. But there were so many players that were great at Duke that got to the NBA and did absolutely nothing. And then you got players that was all right at Duke, came to the NBA, and got a championship. Okay. What's the exact question? Yeah, basically just listing off

like the top five power rankings from 2020, all of them have now a college championship except Caitlin Clark, and then all of them are in the WNBA except Paige Becker, so how important is- Who's the top five? It was Cameron Brink, Paige Becker, Angel Reese, Camila Cardoso, and Caitlin Clark. Yeah, so how important is a college championship?

Who's better than Caitlin Clark? With those championships, who you ever have on that list? You can say and go Angel Reese if you want, that's on you, and I'll fuck with Angel Reese. Okay, I didn't say she was better though. I'm asking your opinion. Who on that list is better than Caitlin Clark? She has no championship, all of them do.

Who's better than Caitlin Clark on that list? I'm just asking. Yeah, my opinion, nobody. But that's why I'm asking, because to some people... That's why Mase said what he said. Because you can have all them college championships. I'm not picking nobody on that list over Caitlin Clark. Not one person. I'm not doing it.

Secondly, we know this is Paige Becker's 19th year. Congratulations on getting the championship, Frownley. You're old and you deserve it. You should be playing against kids. Caitlin Clark, let me ask you a question. Has anybody heard from Iowa since? No. Have anybody heard, have you heard of Iowa before Caitlin Clark got there?

Were anybody checking for Iowa? Nah, she can't, not only that, can you name anybody else? Like we just named the players on Paige Becker's team, which they deserve to be named. Can we sit here and remember anybody on Caitlin Clark team? No, exactly. The real Allen, Allen Overson by herself, taking teams to the championship. Dolo, no help, we can't remember.

What's the coach's name for Iowa? That girl, Zafra? Exactly. We don't know. That's how good Caitlin Clark is. You don't remember none of her teammates. You don't remember none of her teammates. You don't remember a coach's name.

You didn't hear about Iowa before she got there. You didn't hear about Iowa this year. That's how nice Caitlin Clark is. Oh, well, she didn't get a college championship. They trying to get Caitlin Clark to play in the big three men tournaments, all type of shit. She literally changed the game. Not only that.

As many good players as we talk about, stat murder, niggas getting, with no disrespect, but I say niggas, but the girls getting private jets. Wasn't no private jets till Caitlyn got to the WNBA. The suites, the hotels start getting different, all type of shit. Kaitlin Clark get a sneaker there, right? Niggas get so mad, and I'm not saying,

what I'm about to say, it's not supposed to happen. Niggas like, nah, why Asia Wilson ain't got no sneaker? Now they violating, hold on, let's get Asia Wilson a sneaker so we can calm this shit the fuck down. Two weeks later, Asia Wilson got a sneaker. Well, Asia Wilson had got a sneaker so we could calm this shit the fuck down. Two weeks later, Asia Wilson got a sneaker. Where Asia Wilson had got a sneaker, if niggas wasn't complaining about

Kailin Clark getting a sneaker, we gotta start paying attention to who wins. Game changes and niggas who just playing in the game. Championship or not. You know at one time, Page was as good as Kailin Clark. Kailin Clark sent Page home when they played against each other in the NCAA tournament. Take it to a pack it on up and go home.

That's what Katelyn Clark did to Page Beckers. And not with the whole UConn organization. Iowa, we don't know our players. Page, pack it up when they played against each other. NCAA, go home. That's what Kaitlyn did to Paige. I like to know who's older, matter of fact. They probably the same age.

Yeah, they should be around the same age. Yeah, so Murda, I don't know about that because when she had the opportunity to show that she was better than Kaitlyn, she didn't do it. So Paige is older by nine months. Wow. Wow. So Paige is older than Caitlin Clark?

Yeah. Imagine Caitlin Clark in the NCAA tournament this year, Bertha. Imagine what she would have been doing to people this year. This is when we talk about one year matter. Remember when we was just talking about one year matter? Imagine what Caitlin Clark would have been doing the players this year if she played in the NCAA.

I don't wanna hear no more arguments about Paige Beckett and Caitlin Clark. Or actually, nobody with Caitlin Clark in recent memory, unless it's Asia Wilson. And I'm not being disrespectful for talking about skill-wise, because there's a lot of females that's up to par or better than Caitlin Clark skill-wise.

Talk about game changers. You in the game when you're trying to change it. That's a quote right there. But yeah, I was mainly asking just because even the discussion, even now with Cooper Flagg not winning, you know, a Natty, it's like now he's going to the job. Like, how important is that to his overall legacy? But to y'all, I guess if you mess on us in the league, then...

They are the question... I've seen the question on another show, I'm gonna ask Macy's. Because... there's different times, and when we say a legacy, it's hard to compare because it's one year. It ain't like he stayed four years. Like you used to have to. So they was trying to put Cooper flag on Duke's Mount Rushmore.

And on the panel that I was watching. Don't do it. On the panel that I was watching, they said, yeah, but other people like Stephen, there's a few people, were saying that he should be number four, but other niggas on the panel was like- Number four?

Yeah, because they saying there's other people on the panel with like, well, the body of work of somebody like Grant Hill, Christian Leighton. I forget who was the third person. Kyrie had a bit of... One year, yeah. I ain't gonna say Kyrie. No, Kyrie got hurt.

He only played like five, six games. Zion. Yeah, he got hurt sometime too. Well, whole thing is, that's why I'm asking you. No. For the top, the Mount Rushmore Duke, do you think he should be on the Mount Rushmore? You got Grant Hill, you got Christian Leighton.

You might wanna put JJ Reddick. JJ Reddick saved four years. You know what I'm saying? You know who else? Who that? That boy from Jersey. J. Will, they would say. J. Will is up there, nigga. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I know better yet than J-Will. J-Will was pulling up from half court nigga. Right, I think that, I don't remember who it was, but I was just asking. Is J-Will, is Grant Hill, nah, Cooper Flagg is not up there. Christian Leightner up there. Christian Leightner.

What about Bobby Hurley, nigga? Yeah, Bobby, yeah. Like, were we acting like Bobby Hurley wasn't there? Yeah, but they- Bobby Hurley didn't beat UNLV? See, that was the argument that one year against four years, you know what I'm saying? So they were trying to say it's a different game now.

It was a really compelling- Either way, he got- It was a compelling argument. Is there other people that had better years than him that meant more to the program? Definitely JJ Reddick. He would be like number six or seven to me because you got JJ Reddick, you got, I'm putting Hurley up there.

Let me give you my first five. I got Christian Leightner. Yeah, I'm in my first four. Christian Leightner, you got Bob Hurley, you definitely gonna have Grant Hill up there. Grant Hill probably number one. Yeah, yeah, and no order. Just those three, Christian Leightner,

Grant Hill, and Bob Hurley. Definitely gotta go on there. Then you're looking at people like, who else we just said? Jay Will. Jay Will, JJ Reddick, Cable. There's people that had sensational years, not just like a couple

of good games. Like, and if you talking about one year standout, him and Zion will be a tie to me. Him and Zion like on impact. Zion had major impact. Like the dunks, the way the people responded to him. And we not gonna bring up Corey McGhetti and people like, that nigga they forgetting about.

Yeah, Shane Batyay. Yeah, like. But see that's the argument that they, that's why I fuck. They're wildin'. That's why, and that's why I was saying that it's hard because, pause, if you don't, that was the dude argument, the dude who was arguing,

cause the question is, who meant more to Duke's program? And if you did four years when you kinda had to do four years as opposed to now if you do four years you might not be that good, it's hard to compare. Yeah, but even on the one year, on the one year you got Zion, who meant more? If we not talking about all the games, who meant more. If we're not talking about all the games, who meant more to the program?

Kyrie meant a lot to the program. I remember they was trying to get him to play and his toe was messed up and he came back, got 30 something and left again. It's like, if you're talking about impact, you got Zion, you got Kyrie, you got, and J. Will, that's at least two other people you gotta- I ain't gonna say Kyrie, Kyrie probably played five college,

and that was so amazing to me about Kyrie, because- That's Impact. Yeah, he played five games and still went number one. I'm exaggerating, I don't know how many college games- Yeah, it was like five games, he came back, and people was like, should he play? Yeah, I think I'm sorry. And he had 30 or a couple games games I don't even need to play.

So you talking about. If you take Bobby Hurley off those Duke teams though, Bobby Hurley was huge for those Duke teams. Yeah but people don't bring him up. They just jumped to Christian late night and Grand Hill. Bob Hurley was as far as the soul of the team. Yeah no 100%. Especially the next year they came back after Duke,

you know, we beat them by 30, and they came back and then Bobby Hurley, I mean, he fouled Greg Anthony out the second, the second go around, that was it for the Rebels. Yeah, you got a lot of players on that Duke family. That was just- Yeah, they trying to put Cuba flag up there. Yeah, they trying to put Cooper Flag up there. Yeah, boy. They just.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay, well, congrats to you, Con. Think about it. Think about it. According to them, three of them, about Rushmore's is white.

Yeah, yeah, you're right. They said Christian Leighton, Cooper Flag, even though Bobby Hurley was white, they didn't pick Bobby Hurley and Christian Leighton. And then, there's no light skin. That's how I tell us that. Congrats to you, Con, and congrats to the Florida Gators. We're gonna discuss OKC's biggest threat after the break.

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Walk it off. Go. Girl, let me see you walk it off. Walk it off. Welcome back. So the Lakers had a huge win over OKC on Sunday, beating them 126-99. Mace, do you think that the Lakers are OKC's biggest threat? Let me think about this.

Do I think that OKC's biggest threat is the Los Angeles Lakers? There could be some truth to that rumor, because if the Lakers are healthy, they're pretty dangerous. The way that Luka is playing, the way that Austin Reeves could show up, and LeBron just being a basketball genius, they have all of the tools to dethrone a team like OKC. So I could see where there's some validity there. But I just think this is the year where where where

as Jay just figures it out, I think he's been on a brink of figuring it out. I think his back has been against the wall the last couple of seasons. And if you're watching this as Jay, this is the season to get it done. If you don't get it done this year, then people will start looking at you like. Like they used to look at Damon Lillard or different players that you're this awesome guy but can you really get it done coming out of the West so I wanted to answer your question but also put that out there this is the time to get it done this is not the time to be saying we're young we're the youngest team in the league This is the time to get everybody together and get it done If y'all have to wear black socks wear black socks

If you gotta wear black socks and black sneakers, whatever it takes if y'all gotta shave your head off Shave your hair off whatever it takes for this team of OKC to come together Now is the time to do it put Put me on a record about this, because if they don't, then they won't get it done. Check, gotta wear black socks, black sneakers, and shave his head to be like... No, I'm saying, in order... Sometime in order to get the team together,

there's something you have to do to get everybody on the same page. You know, for some reason, when they need to get it done, they're not getting it done, and it's because they're not collectively together, so sometimes we have to agree to things as a team to make sure we're all in the same, you know, same vein to get it done. I kind of agree with Mason, then I disagree

because I remember Tatum said this like last season, we like, nigga don't want to hear all that, man. We young, we got time and all this shit. And it took a little bit of time and they got it done. But I, you know, I'm from the same school murders from, I don't want to hear all that. But sometimes I got to step out of the school I'm from the same school Murders from. I don't wanna hear all that. But sometimes I gotta step out of the school I'm from and say, hey, let me see.

Maybe if you get a niggas a little bit of time, we'll see what happens. But I'm definitely from the same, see Murders, what I'm trying to say, the reason why Murders said this is because we cut our hair off. And we wore black socks and black sneakers. And we got it done.

And we watched the Fab Five, Jalen Rose and Chris Webber. We were like, we gotta get the baggy shorts. They wore black sneakers and they wore black socks. And we had to get it done. So he was kind of using an example of us without even saying that, but I dig it. But yeah, niggas don't be wanting to hear all that. But I'm gonna stay away from them.

Let's stick to the question you asked, that the Lakers the biggest threat. I don't know, Houston look like they turning up, man. Houston playing good at the right fucking time, bro. I don't know if we're talking about that game, that they play go to sing, but I don't know. The last time about that game, that they play Golden State, but I don't know the last time Steph Curry only had three points.

They had Steph Curry, he did three points. And all of Golden State games matter moving forward. Houston looks like they turned it up at the right time. So if I had to pick one team. That's the biggest threat. And Mase talked about Houston maybe about a week or two ago and he's like Houston was gonna do this. And I'm like, I don't know, but after watching them,

Mase may be correct. Houston looks like at the right time, they are turning on the gas. Another team that we have to think about is the Clippers. They're turning it on at the right time. Let's look at this. The whole East right now is locked in, one through six I'm talking about, and even the playing.

They're locked in. One through six and everybody's gonna play in the playing, is locked in, and the team that's eliminated, they're eliminated. It's only two teams in the Western Conference that have locked in for the playoffs. The Oklahoma City Thunder and the Houston Rockets. Everybody else is not locked in.

The Lakers are third. And listen, the fourth seed to the eighth seed all have the same record. All have the same record. Fifth to eighth. Fifth to eighth, I'm sorry, thanks, Stapp. Fifth to eighth. You know the name.

Yeah, thank you. Fifth to eighth. But even the fourth seed is only a half a game ahead 58th. 58th, I'm sorry, thanks, Stapp. 58th. You know, they're like, eh, eh. Yeah, thank you, 58th. But even the fourth seed is only a half a game ahead of five through eight. That was only a half a game. That was a loss from being in the eighth seed. That's how tight the race is in the West. So, I don't know if it's the Lakers,

and of course Houston and OKC aren't playing each other in the first round, but if you're asking me the biggest threat to OKC, I would have to go between Houston and the Clippers right now to answer the question. All right, so tonight OKC actually gets a redo against the Lakers, so Underdog has SGA at 31 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mase?

Higher. Okay. He's gonna have to go higher. I'ma actually go lower because the reason I'm gonna go lower, it'd be stupid to play SGA the whole game and y'all are solidified on where your seeding is at. Nobody's catching them. You're the number one seed in the NBA, not just the West.

I would play SGA a minimal minutes that he has to play just to stay in rhythm, just to get the points, to continue to stay above Joker for MVP. But I wouldn't play him the whole game. Is he capable of getting more than 31? Absolutely, but you'd be stupid to play him and then get hurt. Yeah, and that's the only reason that I'm gonna go lower.

Yeah, I would go higher because I think he has to play well. And I think to what Ken was saying, that he needs to play the whole game because LA doesn't need a history of beating him twice going into the playoffs. Why not? It's not the Celtics. Just, you know, like sometime when a person

know they could beat you, it builds that confidence. And if you got a team that knows, we beat them at home, we beat them on the road, their confidence is even higher when it's time to play them in the playoffs. Yeah, basically like they figured it out. Like they figured out what to do, okay? Luca is at 42 and a half points, rebounds and assists.

Do you have them higher or lower, Kim? I'm going lower. Lower. Okay, and LeBron James is at one and a half first quarter rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Mase? High of course. Yeah, I'm more high.

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So with that being said, you guys said potentially, you know, Lakers could be the OKC's biggest threat. They have this game tonight. Mace, do you think OKC can pull it off this time or do you see the Lakers winning again? I think, I think OKC gets it done if they don't follow that, that ideology that Ken was talking about, where they rest SGA. If they rest SGA, they're not going to win. So I think it simply boils down to that for me. I think because they lost the last game, they'll be highly motivated to make

sure they don't lose two in a row, because championship teams don't typically lose two games in a row. That's one thing they work against and they fight against, to make sure that they correct their errors moving forward. And that's what makes them highly successful. So I definitely got them winning. Actually, every championship team lost two in a row before.

So I don't know what Mase is talking about. Just the way it goes, it's the NBA. Everybody has a losing streak, murder. I'm not playing as the eight of minutes, but Mase could be absolutely right. I'm not mad at his theory because he's right. If you get confidence and you start thinking you could beat these niggas, then you believe it.

But at the same time, I just think about, and I always put myself in these scenarios, like I still play or whatever. But if I'm playing a team, and I'm just saying for instance, the Lakers, we always use jingles and shit. If I play the players, and we didn't play and the players win,

like if you're feeling yourself, God, if you're feeling yourself, get ahead and feel yourself because you know when we play what's gonna happen. But I do agree with Murda, when a team gets momentum and thinks that they can actually beat you, it's believable sometimes. And we can't compare the Lakers to Jingles and them niggas. We can't.

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. We can't do nothing. When Luka on Jingles, that was, Jingles gonna say, you see the nigga compare LeBron and them to me. But I'm not mad, I'm definitely not mad at Mase's theory. And you're right, he might play the whole game. Look, one thing that I will say about, okay,

see, it seems really loose over there. When I say loose, I'm talking about coach friendly, where they be like, yo, coach, come on, nigga. I'm on the so-and-so game on the street. We gotta think about this. SGA just passed Michael Jordan for most 20-point games consecutively. He may wanna keep that streak up.

So that's what I was thinking when you said 31 points. I'm like, he just need 21 points. He may just need 22 points and be like, good, I keep the streak longer than Michael Jordan. Let me sit down because they're 12 and a half games ahead of anybody, ahead of Houston. They like, it's not a two, three game thing, they're 12 and a half games ahead of anybody. Next thing, ahead of Houston. They like, it's not a two, three game thing, they're 12 and a half games.

If I'm SGA, give me my 21, coach. Now if it turn into something like 50, if I'm hot, let me live. But I'm gonna keep wanting to pass Michael Jordan's record because a lot of niggas don't pass Michael Jordan in any statistic. Yeah. Okay, that's huge.

Thanks. Shout out to you. And I'm gonna ask y'all again for your MVP pick, but we'll wait a couple games later from now to kind of see what you guys are thinking because the race is still like this for a lot. So we will see. Yeah, it's tough man.

Yeah, and this is overall a good week. You know what I wanted to tell you Murda real quick, because I know we about to wrap up. So I'm on Bleacher Reports page or Instagram. And I don't know if you've seen this, but their announcer, Detroit Pistons are playing Oklahoma City Thunder. And the announcer for the game for Detroit is saying, because Oklahoma City is beating them and the game for Detroit is saying, cause they're, Oklahoma City is beating them

and the game basically almost over. The announcer says, Shay Gilders Alexander, 31 points and a measly three assists. He may be the MVP, but he's not the best player in the NBA. The best player in the NBA is the Joker. So I, you know, everybody's chiming in, so I chime in and so I write in the comments,

that may be true, because that's what I think too. But he's better than everybody on Detroit. Oh my God, the Detroit niggas. I take Cade Cunningham over here many days. He better than anybody on this. But it was a bunch Detroit niggas. I take K. Cunningham over him any day. He better anybody niggas. But it was a bunch of niggas who said they would take K. Cunningham over SGA. What do you say to that?

Free chicken, man. One year, one good year. And niggas be, y'all niggas be bugging. I just wanted to get to see if I wasn't bugging. Yeah, too many Mountain dudes and snickers, man. Y'all niggas is in the trap too long, man. There's no way you got a K-gun in here with SGA. Yo, Phelan, I put that comment, it's on Bleacher Report.

But new hotness, you know, ain't nothing hotter than a new hotness. Hey, ain't nothing hotter than a new hotness. It's definitely a smoke in 100%. You know, when new niggas get hot, it's nothing ever been this hot. Yo, bro, niggas say, and I think K. Cunningham is phenomenal.

I think he's a great player. He was good since college. This is what they expected him to be the first couple of years. Right, absolutely. It's just he's finally coming to that, to that role pause, and they moved him away from point guard.

Absolutely, but bro, y'all get to know- Not SGA. Bro, the niggas said that they taking K Cunningham over SGA. It was just free chicken wings. Look, that shit was all good just a week ago. Niggas had free chicken wings if niggas hit two free throws in a row and all that. Yeah, $50 front row seats.

Yeah, the shit was wild, man. You come with your girlfriend, she getting free. It was all type of deals just to get into the game. Now niggas is better than SGA. Y'all, you gotta love Detroit niggas, man. You gotta love them niggas, man. That ain't nothing hotter than New Hotness. Ain't nothing hotter than the New Hotness, baby.

That's a fact. But also shout out to Detroit, but obviously we ain't even comparing the two. But for them, I get it, because it's favoritism. Like you know, that's the city. It's the crib, it's the crib. All bets all. Right, but what I'm saying is 100%,

I dig both of y'all's shit. But for the announcer to say that on national TV, it's crazy because my thing is this, you're not even bigging up Cade Cunningham, you're bigging up the joke, he's not even on your team. Like Pham, a measly three assists, he may be the MVP, but he's not the best player in the league. The Joker is, what do the Joker got to do with this game?

Mind your business about what go on in Denver. They ain't got nothing to do with you, y'all. Y'all don't got the Joker neither. That's what, that was the whole shit, that's why I chimed in. I thought it was wild for the announcer to say that on national television. That's a great point.

Yeah, he was talking like he had the members behind him. That's what it sounded like. Yeah. Okay, well that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching and as always, it is what it is. watching and as always, it is what it is.