IT IS WHAT IT IS - WE GOT OURSELVES A SERIES IN THE FINALS & WHAT'S IT TAKE TO BE A "NEW YORKER"

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

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Welcome back to What It is What It is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. Killer was good, man. What a night. It's good, bro. I'm good, man. Everything all right. It ain't all right, man.

How you doing? I'm doing good. I mean, what else can I say, Stad? Welcome to the world we know. Oh, Lord. You said it was going, you said it's going to be a sweet. I said, but Trump, I said Trump could mess it up. I didn't say this.

That's what we used as a short. We knew he couldn't mess it up, but I don't want to get into the show too early. But Stad, this is what we know. This is what we know. So welcome to the New York that we know. New York. New York big city of dreams.

Welcome to the experience. And I knew everybody was gonna- You come from out of town. Yeah. I knew everybody was gonna start blaming Trump, but let's get into the game because there's a lot to impact you. I'm not blaming Trump.

I'm just saying I knew that was a possibility, but we're gonna have the show, you know? We're gonna let you run the show. Right. But not even just you, so many people are sitting there like, I knew, like you know, you're just gonna take any reason, But, you know, we'll get into it. That's not any reason.

That's not any reason. If you shut the bar off of the party and you send everybody around the back of the party and you change everything up about the venue and you change everything on the inside, you change something, you know what I'm saying? And it's not time to change things. But, you know, let's have the show.

I don't want to, you know, put the cart before the horse. Now you're good. You're good. Let's get to it. So the Spurs win their first game in this series, 1-15 to 111-11. Mace, what were your biggest takeaways from this game? My biggest takeaways for this game, honestly.

I think I could coach in the NBA. I really believe I could coach in the NBA because, instead of you watching exactly what's happening in the series, it's the things I say. When Wimby is taking these three, more threes is dangerous for this team when when when Harper has the ball in this hand they are they they they they play dominant basketball against the New York Knicks and what else can I say um you need you need hop on the floor

you need Wemby on the inside pause and you need to make sure that you don't let OG get going crazy if somebody is to be this team, you got to be okay with Josh Hart beating you, but you cannot let Jalen Brunson get too carried away. And, you know, at times, they're letting him get carried away. If you keep him contained by keeping him off out of the middle and more to the sides, we'll take those, those, those baskets where he's going away from the basket, but you must not have him driving down the middle of the offense. And it just seemed like, San Antonio, whether they're a little excitement.

And Darren, how you say his name? DeAndre, Darren Fox. Dearon Fox. Darren Fox, he's the key to the winning, him and Harper. You know, Wimby is going to be Wemby. Wemby is going to get his 30. But I've seen him play well, and he hit a lot of clutch baskets for this team. De Aaron Fox, he showed up, and he's the difference.

A lot of a lot of plan that they played. I saw the referees trying to keep this as a game where the players can win it. Castle showed up from the very beginning of this game. That was different. He normally, you know, pick his spots to play, but this is the finals. And he's looking for foul. He was looking for a lot of fouls that they weren't just calling. And it was one play that they called back when Harper lost the ball.

out of bounce and they challenged it. The Knicks challenged it and got the ball back. I really thought that was the moment right there for the Knicks to win it in the fourth quarter. But it seemed like Wimby had other plans. I like the way that San Antonio held their composure. But when it all comes down to it, the only big difference of this game was Trump showed up.

I gotta be honest. The fans couldn't really get into it because there was two hours, you know, outside, had to be there two hours early. You know, you could just look online. It's not the same. You took this thing away from the fans just so you could say the president was in the building. We know Trump is a major figure. We know he's our president.

But right now we're trying to win a championship. And sometimes, like Cam said yesterday, that if there's anybody that you could tell something and they're going to do opposite, he said it's him and Trump, but it's not always time for that. You got to keep first things first. Like we said before, you got to keep first things first in the morale. This is a morale shifter. And I just want to see them get this on track because I would hate for it. be 2-2. If it becomes 2-2, it's a whole other series. Right now, it's a series again, right? So I don't want to go too far, but this was a great game. This was a great game for many reasons.

You got people that showed up on the Knicks. You even had clacks that's showing up. So this was, this was a game for the ages. This was a game for the ages. It was people that Bloomberg was there. It was a lot of people that I was just like, this was good. It was good to see that all of them alive. You know, I'm happy to see that, but this is not the time for that. This was the time to go three over. I wanted to hear, hey, hey, hey, all of my bills are paid. I got that fly shone. You know, I was looking forward to it. But. Trump stay home, man. Trump stay home. You know, that's all I could say.

A lot of factors there. Okay, Cam, what were your biggest takeaways from this game? McHale Bridges. McHale Bridges, Macau Bridges, got an early foul trouble. He had to come out the game, and McCall Bridges is the one

who's really been doing really well for the next series. And he was the nine. factor this game. He was one for five and had two points. And to me, that was the difference. I think to me, totally honest, which Mike Brown, I think he did an exceptional job coaching. Mace brought up one of the times where they challenged the play. They were up seven points. When we hit at three, it would have been a three-pointed-year-old. Stopped the momentum there. Mace brought up another great point. I don't know the last time I've seen Clarkson play.

played decent tonight it was a nigger in there i don't know who the fuck he was number 20 some licekin niggins played for about three minutes they have a really really deep team and to me san antonio no as much as the san Antonio's won this game i'm going to give the knicks some credit um as far as you know coach concerning what mike brown is doing but mackle bridges was the biggest factor tonight on the next night on it you got josh hart who didn't score any points the other game And he comes in and he's a three point threat over son. OG and the obli played out of his mind. I think he shot close to 70% from the field, if I'm not mistaken.

He was 8 for 10 or something like that. Last time I checked. How much? 9 for 13. Yeah, yeah. When I've seen it, yeah. So he played exceptionally well. And as to the spurs, the spurs are predictable.

Very, very predictable. They're not going to go away from what they've been doing. You know, they're not going to go. too deep into their bench. They're going to use cord and that when they need to use cordonet. You know Dillon Harper's coming off the bench. And Mitch Johnson's going to live a die with

that rotation that he had. What I would really like to see from the Spurs, to be totally honest with you, because once again, the rebounder is just ridiculous on the Nix's favor. They get second, third, four opportunities. The Spurs come down and shoot. It's one and done. I can't,

like I said, Listen, Wimby is not a traditional center. You can see him getting out muscle by almost everybody. I'm talking about it's a powerful position or the center position. We're seeing Mitch Robinson come push him out. We're seeing a cat blow by him. We see even OG and Anobly had the same move that he did last game. We just come by them and dunks on him.

So listen, the Spurs. Put it off tonight. Dylan Harper, he needs to be more in the rotation. Fox played decent when he need to play decent. Did he have a great game? No, but he made the shots. He needed to make when he need to make them. So as much as the Spurs won,

there was a lot of holes in their game tonight, but they ended up pulling it away. Jalen Brunston, he's not shooting good in this series, but you look at the box score at the end of the game. So finishing with 24, 25 points, but his shooting percentage is really bad in this series. But if I'm going to say anything was the reason that the Knicks lost tonight was McKell Bridges being a non-factor shooting one for five,

two points and getting an early foul trouble, not giving his team the points and not just points to production on the floor that doesn't get acknowledged because he's a defensive threat as well. You know, he has a wingspanter close to seven feet, some for one, something like that, long lanky pause. So to me, that was the real difference maker. But people stepped up for the Knicks. Like I said, Josh Hart stepped up.

O.G. stepped up. Clarkson. It was a, they have a lot of people on the Knicks. For the Spurs, man, I would love, I would love, and I know you keep them as a backup. Just I would love to see, because these games are close. It can be two, one in the Spurs' favor as well, if Wembe makes that shot, or if he doesn't turn them all over,

if Ms. Johnson calls a timeout with 15 seconds long. This could easily be a chance. 2-1 Spurs lead. I think the Spurs believed that as well, and that's why they're sticking to it. But I would love to see Wembe on the court with Cornett at the same time. We don't see that. And if you want to get Wemby

some help down low, even though you know, you had Harper come in and make some really key rebounds, get that man some help down low. You expect them to do everything else and then musseling him out. Even when Wemby's posting up, he starts at the bots, but time they

throw it to him, he's getting pushed out, forearmed out to the three-point line in between the three-point line and the foul line to where he's not even really getting the ball in the post. I think he has a great skill set. I'm not saying Kevin Durana, anything like that. But he's closer to that than the actual center, in my opinion.

So, you know, Spurs are going to live and die, but what they got going on there. What I would really like to see Cornette on the floor with him to get him some help with some rebams. But congratulations to the Spurs. As far as the Knicks, Am I surprised by this? Why would I be surprised? No, I'm not surprised.

This doesn't shock me at all. It really doesn't. So I know people want me to be like, oh, no, look, I'm really not shocked by this. I'm not. This is what happens. And it's still time for them to regroup. May said it perfectly.

Don't go back to San Antonio, too, too. You not go back to the incident. A lot of things. Yeah, and something else to watch out for us that is that Jalen Brunson may be a little banged up. He took a hard fall in that game that he never really came back 100% in my eyes with his burst to the basket. I saw him make a player too, but it seemed like he was reserved and it seemed like the coach. staff also had him reserved by keeping them a little back for a lot of minutes on a bench during this game. So that's something else to watch out for to see if Jalen Brunson maybe banged

up a little bit, not injured, but definitely sore in some ways, cause. Yeah, I mean, he's definitely been getting a lot of the punches, but I think we saw in this game specifically, I think the spurs came out a lot more physical. But I want to go back to a point. that Cam had made, because I know you were saying that you feel like the spurs are pretty predictable. What would you guys say in Mace was the biggest adjustment you saw from the spurs that New York just didn't have an answer for? Or do you kind of disagree with Cam just saying like McKell Bridges was kind of like the biggest non-factor? What's your opinion on that? Yeah, I think if McKell Bridges shows up to Cam Point, they win the game because it still was a close game all the way down.

but what would change was somewhere in there they figured out leaving hopper on the floor and i'm serious about this when you got four slashes on the court it's going to be hard to stop that team like we grew up playing that kind of basketball when you got four players that can all get to the basket it's hard to play against that kind of team and now you got fox going to the rack You got Harper, and when you line them up on two different sides of the court, then nobody can really help because the other person is looking for a drive to the basket. And then you got Wembe going to the basket to get the log. So everybody is clashing to the basket, and that's what makes San Antonio so dangerous the whole time. If they ever get a spot-up three-shooter and a in a pile forward, this could be a lot of championship.

shifts to come. But right now, that's that was the part for San Antonio is just when you got, you would never really see Dylan Harper and Fox on the floor at the same time. One time Fox would make a move and then they'll sub them out and then Harper come in. But it seemed like they, they listened to me. And they kept them both on the floor at the same time in that fourth quarter. And that was the difference because as you start colliding to them, then Wimby is just running down. the middle getting lobs on the eighth floor you know that nobody could catch and and that was that was the real difference to me the difference to me was that when we came out aggressive because a couple games he doesn't even have double digits i believe in the first half he had

seven points last game something similar but he came out really aggressive last game and he set the tone um and that's what he needed to do that's what he's going to have to do every game and set the tone You can't wait to the middle of the third quarter or the fourth quarter of your Wembe to set the tone for this team. He is the one that's going to have to have the team set the tone. Also, Castle came out really strong. He set a tone. This is what you need from your two, one potential All-Star in the future

and the superstar that you have now. You have to set the tone for them for the rest of your team to follow. And I think that was the real difference for the Spurs. What I will say is this, you know, as much as, like I said, the Spurs won this game, I've seen so many different reasons why they shouldn't have won this game. You should think about reason game after game after game. And like, I get it. It's a new NBA.

But giving up these 12, 14-point leads, time after time, not just giving them up, you're not just giving up 12, 14-point leads. You're letting the other team come back that's leaded by 6-7 points. You know, it spurs up by 12 points in the first, first, second quarter, and then halftime, they're losing by seven. So you're really, you know, scored by 20 points, and that just can't happen. Then you say, think about also, you know, like I said, that, so to answer your question, that when be setting the tone and Castle is setting the toe. But then, you know, I talked about McKell Bridges as well, and when also we have to think about how great land,

Landry Sherman was shooting, he was one for eight with three points. So as much as we talked about, Clarkson came in and made a difference. And Mike Brown was throwing different players at different people. And Josh Hart also shot well. You got two points from McHill Bridges and three points from Larry Sherman, who's been pivotal to the Knicks victory. So you got a total of five points between them, and you still only lose by four points.

that's what I'm talking about. But the reason, answer your question, is that it's totally, to me, my opinion on when we're sending the tone at the beginning of the game. Yeah, brought that physicality for sure. So one thing, we're probably going to continue to talk about this throughout the series.

You know, people are always going to pinpoint the officiating. So Mike Brown actually had some words regarding the free throws. He said, I never thought I'd be in an NBA finals and see in the second half, 24 free throw attempts to another team's eight. San Antonio's a great team. It's going to lower our odds big time. If in game four, they get 24 free throws, second half to our eight.

Mace, what's your opinion on what Mike Brown had to say and the officiating? No. No, Mike Brown. Get your team in the gym. They was letting you guys play. And that's what you expect in a championship game. I love when the refs says that from the beginning and sticks. with it. The hey fellas, tonight, I'm going to let you guys win the game. The best team is going to

win tonight. I'm not going to bail you out. It's not going to be the rest. Called it one way. They was calling it the same way. There was a time when Castle went down the middle. He got he got slapped on the arm. The ball went in the air. He had to grab the ball back. He went up with the basketball got fouled again. He got fouled like three times on the same plate and still made the basket. And he holds his hands up like this to the ref. The ref doesn't say anything to him. This is championship basketball.

And if there's anybody know about championship basketball that's coaching right now, that is Rick Brunson and that is Coach Brown because they're both been in championships before and Brown has been in more than one. So he knows exactly what this is. The players have to win it and the coaches can't win it for them. You can make great plays. You could draw up the play, but they still have to put the ball in the basket and they have to do it under great duress.

This is what championship basketball is all about. This is ours are made in the playoffs. And I think somebody need to tell that to the players. This is where you make your name. This is where you become a household name. This is where a young Dwayne Wade, which got, you know, the same attributes. Castle has some of those same attributes.

He needs to understand. This is where you become famous. This is where you take it upon yourself to make sure your team win. Don't be looking for the rest to help you because everybody, all the losers have that in common. They was waiting for the rest to bail them out. I cannot put this on a rest.

And I wouldn't even want to put that in my players' minds right now being up to one. If you start complaining about the refs, followers tend to follow their leader. And if the coach starts saying this, this could be a bad outcome for the New York Knicks. And I would hate that. So Mike Brown, please keep the wine into a minimum. Put your general hat on, strap, pause your boots up because you guys are in for a ride. out, Arad. Okay, Kim.

Yeah, I love this type of basketball as well. And that play that makes us talk about, I promise you. I said that he, it wasn't about three times. He got found three times on the play. He got found three times on that particular play. But I will say this. It is a discrepancy in free throws towards the spurs. But this is the point.

And you can say what you want. I'm talking about to the fans, audience, people watching, conspiracy, G. Theris, whatever. If you think they want this game to be over in four games, you're stupid. They want to extend it. And the reps know that they need to extend it. This conversation has been had behind closed doors. We need this to go more than four.

The more games, the more money. So my personal opinion, because it was times in game two, where I see, like, you know, they call it some bulls. for the Spurs. And you know there's no, the Spurs is my team. I'm just saying I got to call it. No, when I come up here, I'm not coming up here as a fan. I'm coming up here to get my arms of training.

It was some bullshit they was calling against the next for the Spurs in game two, which I didn't mind, but I've seen it. I didn't care about it, but I seen it. It was like, yo, oh, they want this thing to go six. They want this to go, they don't want this to be over quick. So at the end of the day, you got to keep that in mind. too. I love what May said as well. Listen, ain't no crying. I remember, I remember one time, right? And I, and like I said, I always bring on my basketball stories or whatever, but I remember one time I was playing.

He's playing against Martin Luther King, Madsener against Martin Luther King. And I was complaining to the refs about calls and shit. And Mace, Mays said, Mace was in the crowd because he didn't play. He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, It was on the year he had to stand score extra year without a follow-out. And he's in a crime. When I came to the bench, he said, you're playing weak, man. You got to stop crying. I was like, Word, I am playing week. I started taking off.

I don't know if you noticed that. I used to jump out. Start finger-rolling on these niggas. I had some shit. I used to be in the head. I don't think you to know, man. My jelly was different. That nigger makes me playing week.

And I was like, word, I can't worry about the reference. That gave sins out to me a lot because I was like, yo, I didn't worry about the referees and none. We ended up beating Joaquin and Elvis and all that because I didn't really care about what the ruffs was calling or not. You can't look for that. And that's how the next is going to have to look at this because at the end of the day, my personal opinion, no information. Just me is the quote unquote conspiracy theorists, which are really not. Spurs are going to be the game's going to cause for me are going to go on the Spurs favor as long as the name. Nixon won the series. They want this thing

to go on a little longer. So I think it was a discrepancy, but I cannot lie that played at Mace is talking about. I'm sitting there like, God damn, they fucked him up. And he still made the shot, and they still didn't call. So it's plays like that as well. I don't know

if you've seen this as well at all also when the nigga Wendy just mush Jalen Brunston all in the face. To the floor. That was crazy. Yeah, they ain't even called that. Yeah. And I see him at half time, Charles Buckley, like, you can't do that. Shack was like, yes, you can.

He did it. Yes, he can. I like all that. I went all that, too. I'm with all that. I'm just selling you. I'm with all that. So, yeah.

I can only imagine how tall people feel. Like, when people are constantly smacking your arms and, you know, feeling like, yo, I ain't even doing nothing to them. Yes, you do. did you smacked him like eight times and he when he responds it looks so brutal it's like why did he do that tell him to do it again couldn't help himself hey and then on that note game four is Wednesday but now we got this quote from jalo so she said you have to be born in new york to be a new yorker and in one of the five boroughs mace what's your opinion on that how do you define somebody as a new yorker

What's your take? You have to be born in New York to be a New Yorker. Yes! Okay, 100% agree. I know everybody wants to claim the city. No, I know. Everybody wants to claim our city, but you have to be born in New York. You have to be born in one of the five boroughs to be a New Yorker.

Well, here's the thing. Okay. When I moved here in 2012, yes. Everyone was like, in 10 years, you can call yourself a New Yorker. Oh, is that what they said? Yeah, and then I stayed 10 years. Said no New Yorker ever. Yes.

No, the New Yorkers. to have this as a rule. That was a rule? Yes, you didn't know about this? No. I didn't get the memo. I did not sign the petition. And you're the official big dog in this.

I'm serious. Here's my question. Okay. Let's say I've been here for 50 years. I'm 90 years old. And you go, are you a New Yorker? And I go, no? I have to say no.

You live in New York. You take on characteristics of New Yorkers, probably by that time. You have a New York sensibility. I pay New York taxes. You pay New York taxes. But I can't call it. When you're born in New York is when you're really in New York. So if I've been here for 50 years. What did I just say? Do I need to say it? See, this is very New York, right here. You would ask me this because I'm not born in New York, but I live my whole life there. So according to J-Lo, Harlem World is a fake, you know? According to J-Lo.

According to J-Lo, J-Lo is subbing me. Okay. J-Lah, no, let me stop. Love J-Lo. I don't know how to feel about that. I think if you didn't go to kindergarten there, if you didn't go to elementary there, but if you've been there since kindergarten,

all the way through high school, at what point do you say a person is not from there? If they didn't go to high school there, they're definitely not from there. But if you've been there since kindergarten pre-K all the way through college, where are you from then? I see what she's trying to say, but you know, I'm definitely, I'm definitely from where I'm from. You said, I'm definitely... But Kim says my social security. My social security says Florida, though.

Your social security says Florida, too, Statt. So are you really... Where you really from, Stad? Are you from Jacksonville? There was no confusion on where I'm from because everywhere I named was still Florida. What are we talking about? Hey, I was never up for debate.

J-Lo got you feeling uncomfortable, huh? He asked you to me. Why in that statement, man? I'm screaming. J-Lo got bigger stuff to think about, but I ain't gonna be... Ha! Oh, my gosh. She got you, she got murdering his feelings, man.

You're sitting here, here. Nah, you know, I love J-Lo. J-Lo. Shout out to J-Lo. J-Lo was in a big video with me. I was in a big video with her, you know, and she was a mega-mega, mega star at the time.

Thank her for showing up and adding to the legacy, you know. Shout out to J-Lo. I don't have nothing to say about it. I want to hear what Kiela got to say. Well, here what Kim says, then we'll go back to you, because I'm sure you have more. She could be a mega superstar, but you can still be like, yo, I'm from New York.

Like, two things could be true. I didn't know this was about me, Dad. I didn't know. I mean, it wasn't, but if the shoe fits, like, if the shoe fits. You want me to lose it? Okay, let him go. Yeah, I see you gaslight me. Okay.

Go ahead. We're ready. Go ahead, Cam. I think my, I think my personal opinion is we had this conversation not, not on the show what the other day liked. Maybe it was on the show. I don't know. To me, you have to go to school from at least kindergarten and high school. Like, to me, not even kindergarten.

I'm like more from like fourth grade to at least 12 grades. Like, you got to, they got to know you somewhere. Like, because we talked about if Michael Jordan, he's not, he's born in New York, but he's not a New Yorker. You know what I'm saying? He's not a New Yorker. Then you say somebody like, Carl, Carmel, Anthony. He's born in New York. But he, to me, it's up to him.

I'm not trying to tell Carmelo he's wrong about me, and he disrespect by this. But he didn't really grow up as a teenager in New York because we're talking about this about, they're like, yeah, we got Carmelo. We was talking about superstars from New York, actually. I think it wasn't on the show. And Carmelo didn't play high school

or junior high school in New York, because if he did, everybody would be talking about, yeah, we got to go see Melo play. We got to see Melo play. Same thing they did with Lance Stevenson, same thing they did with Sebastian Telford. But same thing they did Felipe Lopez Lopez Lopez, same thing they did with Lenny Cook,

same thing they did with all the, you know, Stefan Marbury, all the NBA stars we had, and not just NBA stars, other players that we had that just didn't make it that you be like, oh, now I got to go see Sherwin Anderson play. He nasty. Or I got to go see Booker play. You know, you talk about people who's from New York.

I'm just talking basketball-wise. Secondly, I think you could be, see, it's a different question because you could be from New York, but niggas don't really know you from new york like elisa keys is from harlom mesa have you ever seen alicia keys in hollum i'm just asking i haven't growing up never in my whole life exactly Harlem's not that big so is alicia keys like because she was downtown taking piano less or whatever that doesn't take away her credibility for be of Harlem what's now's baby mother name um calise she posed a beat from all i'm not saying she's not i never seen calise i never heard of about calise i've never heard of her about calise i've you I never seen a lot of people that say they're going on with that I never see yeah this what I'm saying and don't and not just not see it's people because

don't get me wrong how home is real territorial and I mean on the bad way but you can live on a hundred 140 if we're like I fuck with them how 41st street niggas like literally a but you know of them but you know of them no that's what that's what you never knew of no that's I'm getting to a point that's what I'm trying to say yeah you know 40th to 141st street is literally a 40 second walk if that long but you would like that's some niggins but to Mason's point what I was about to get to is that you heard of people especially if people were doing stuff now not saying you heard of everybody

now maybe I'm not and I don't want to Lisa Lisa Key take this wrong way because maybe they passed out of doing good things that had to knock in the hood and everything else. I want to take it away from me. But when you somebody from New York, the name rings out. They know about one thing or another when you somebody from New York.

They knew me everywhere. They knew me everywhere. They ain't know where you. Yeah, I'm talking about even if even just realistically, like even if me and Mace never got cool, I've seen Mace standing on a corner at eight years old, literally. even exactly eight and nine years old with we're like 20 niggas who was way older

there yeah they knew me in the gambling spot they knew me in the drug because the thing about it is I used to I used to I used to after I lived on 140th street of course from Woolworth but I had to walk you know when you went at that time the coast of McDonald's was on 132nd Street so I had to walk to McDonald's with my mom or my uncle or whatever and I used to walk by like what this little kid doing with my age with all these other people out here at this age. So even if I didn't know me, because I didn't know him at the time, I used to just be wondering why I was this kid out here with like 30 people that's 17 years old.

Yeah, yeah, because I wasn't allowed to walk for McDonald's at this time by myself. I had to go with somebody. So some people are. answer your question that they have to be a final answer to your question I don't think it's true that you have to be a New Yorker be born in New Yorker yeah just be more specific it's more niggas it's niggas that's from my block that wasn't from my block they moved to my block but we claim them yeah it's about if they claim you yeah yeah it's about it's about it's about it's about if niggas claim you that's how I feel about it now

have niggas be like man we're you fucking with that niggins they're gonna make them one thing they do you know niggins are claiming like you're gonna boss you know what I'm like to be honest with you mason's not mace's not from my block but my block claim mace like he's from my block you know what I'm saying like if you ask me guys from my block mace is from my block he's they they took him in like now we fuck with the nigga he's from my blocks you know what I'm saying that's my opinion on It's about if niggas claim you and not only claim you, you've been there long enough to know everybody. Mm-hmm. That's a very, very good point.

Because as you could see, this went both ways. There was a lot of people agreeing with her saying like, yeah, like you have to be born in New York. Then a lot of people were like, but Jenny, we haven't seen you from the block. I don't know. I don't know how that's supposed to go. That's a good one, because I never heard her. I never, no disrespect to jail. I love her.

I lived in the Bronx. I don't, I don't know. I'm not going to act like I know every girl from the bar. Bronx but yeah that's true stat that's really true killer killer made a great point they got to claim you they claim J-Lo though they definitely can't claim J-Lo but do they but Mace not because not you have to be warning not your mace hold on before you get to your next point I'm gonna interrupt you do they claim after she got famous that's the difference when she was on the living color

did they claim her Yeah, or even before that, did they, because you, when I'm talking about you from, it wasn't no superstar shit, you was just from my block, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't wanna act like Mace, I'm not gonna act like Mace be a bunch of blacks on,

they claim on 150th Street, 133rd, so. Yeah, so I'm just saying, but that's not, that's not, that's not M.A. dollar sign. You know what I'm saying? They just fuck with Mace, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's the question. Did they claim you before the fame? Very good point.

Because everybody's gonna want to pay you after the fame. Just saying. Because when, yeah, because if she's dancing and they're living color and then they claim her, that ain't, that ain't, that ain't from the block. That's shakes. Okay, well, y'all are in agreement. I do want to know what the comments think because I'm sure they got strong opinions on that as well. Because shoot, I-

No, that's real. I thought about that because when I would hear people say, like, I remember, you, you know and i'm i'm i'm praying that he get better i'm praying that he get better i'm praying that pub get better but when he would say he was from harlem there'll be people like nah this nah and i believe he's born here but that hallam didn't claim him first mount vernon cleaned them first what you're saying killer no i raise my hand i i can't claim them i don't know I don't mean that is disrespect at all. I didn't see it.

I didn't see the tape, so maybe I ain't seen the tape. So, yeah. I ain't see it. Like, yo, I was just raising my hand in the greens. I didn't see them. I didn't see them to the parties and all that later on. I ain't going to the parties and I ain't seen the tapes. Like, for instance, this is a great conversation, right?

great conversation right because that's a great point right like like even though me and homie and i love the nigga regardless even though we're not say base i've seen dame in hollum you know you see niggas you got niggas who ain't from hollum who be in hollum you think about d n y and why i thought there's from all them at the way they posted on 25th street every day yeah because hollum's not like brooklyn it's not like you from connorsi or they from best out they from brownsville or this person or East New York or whatever. Harlem is really 100th, 155th, and then you got Pleasant Avenue to Riverside or Paladin or whichever one you want to claim. It's not that big, so you're going to hear about people who's doing something.

So even the Bronx, I'm not, the Bronx is pretty, but I'm seeing, you got to realize Harlem's in Manhattan. We're in, a neighborhood in, when you talk about Harlem is, it's very, very small. I'm not acting like three blocks, but you know, when people say the Bronx, you're talking about the whole borough. You say Brooklyn, you're talking about the whole borough of Brooklyn. People say Queens, talking about the whole borough of Queens. So when you say hall, the whole borough of Manhattan, we're talking about a neighborhood in-man. And so this is one to be specific on that. Okay.

Well, y'all heard it here first and comments. Let us know your opinion on the conversation because we want to know what you'll tell you. think, too. Yeah, Stah. Harlem is like no other places. It's like no other place. It's the best talkers in the whole world. It's a fact. Okay. On to Russell. The best talkers in the whole world. It's the best talking in the whole world and it's the rudeest in the whole world. Like the yeah, it's rude, man. It's rude. It's rude. It's rude. And it's rude. And it's rude. And it's rude. And it's and it's bad and it's and and it's just to the point where when you get out of it and don't get me wrong we love homes love my niggins my own but when you think I'm used to I sometimes I sit back

and think about the people say to each other you got to think about this right think about this right you would call it abuse me and mace it would be abused yeah it's verbal abuse think about this that I don't even know if you ever went back and listened to the shit me and Mace used to say on songs about each other. And it's cool. And it's like, how can they're talking to each other right now? Yeah. He said what he was supposed to say.

He said, yo, he said this about your... That's your regular, yo. He's like, bro, that's what he was supposed to say. I was going to say it about his... saying about his sister. Yo, Phil, I've seen, I see, I seen, a nigga telling, nigga, I seen the nigga in the gabblest

by telling me, nigga. Yo, listen, stop talking to me crazy. I saw your mother last night. She bought three, two, for five, leave me alone. And did it. Then it was serious. Yo, it wasn't even really, like, yo. I saw your mother, three, two, for five.

Stop talking to me, man. Oh, man. So now I'm curious. Do y'all feel like most of your friendships and relationships were people from Harlem or no? Oh, yeah. Yeah. A lot of them growing up. Yeah.

Cam, same for you. Yeah, growing. I mean, yeah, listen, let me tell you, sir. New York, I like I say territorial is very rare. Let's say for instance, right? We in our neighborhood and we bring a nigga over from our neighborhood from niggins in our neighborhood be like what you're doing them Brooklyn niggas Yeah

you like to be like that Yeah you know what they do like You know what I'm saying So yeah a lot of ships growing up from me is Harlem or the Bronx to the Bronx to the Bronx to me the way I look at it be Brooklyn Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Manhattan, talking about structural wise or like how it's laid out, as far as the map is concerned. You could walk to the Bronx from my mother, like the Bronx is right there, too.

So I would say the Bronx and Manhattan is, and Harlem is closer, and Brooklyn and Queens is closer. But a lot of my relationships growing up is definitely Harlem and the Bronx. Now, as an adult, I'm not right. really because to me been kind of tough right like so it's this dude I was living in Orlando and I keep seeing him this guy at the gas stage he's like you'll kill her you know I did 20 years no from hall I'm from your block that a la la la la la la la what's up man good to see you now I see him again same thing no it's holl them like this standing 39 we is then the next time I see him he mutual nigger in jail he said y'all spoke to so and

So he would appreciate if you send him something. I say, y'all, my man, look, bro, you can stop with the Harlem shit, bro, all right? I don't know you from Harlem, my nigga. We out here with palm trees and shit. Listen, I don't know why I got to, I don't want to talk Harlem shit with you because I don't know you from Harlem. You don't have to keep Harlem and me to death. I don't live there, no disrespect. I go back.

but you don't live there. I can you hear. Tell me about some Orlando shit. So when they be new Harlem niggas that I don't know, I don't really be on the hell or that, because I ain't meet you or Harlem. And I ain't know you when I was there. That's what I say.

That's a threshold there. But I like these conversations because obviously, I'm not from New York. So I don't really know how it goes with the burrows and stuff. So like, I'd be listening to y'all about it to see, how it is. And I was like, so did you, do y'all stay around each other? Is it like a you over there? We overheat. Like, I don't know. So that's a cool insight for me. Okay. So got some news on Russell Wilson. So he officially retired and accepted an offer to join CBS Sports. As an analyst,

Mace, do you think Russell Wilson retired at the right time? Um, I really do. I really do. Once, um, Once they got the extra quarterback down there in Atlanta with the Falcons, I think it was really time for him to retire. I could only see two more spots that he could have gone to, which was Atlanta Falcons or the Miami Dolphins. And I thought both of those situations, the window probably closed up with the addition of another quarterback going to the Falcons. So I think this was like a primary move for him. I think it was on time too. So the earlier you retired,

the better because your options are greater. When you wait until they have to force you out, then those other opportunities that he's looking at now probably wouldn't be there. So I think I thank him for making this move. And I think it'll be brilliant and it'll work out well for him, Sierra, Baby, Future and everybody else. I think the entire family would do well because of this.

So I think he made the right move. Leave baby fuchsia out of this. He's going to be all right now. His father's real father. His biological father. Leave him out of this, man. I knew that was... I was fucking running around with my son.

Yo, come on me. You got to stop that. Yeah, that's the nigham. That's the niggins worst nightmare. That's a nigga worst. Yeah, it is. Running around with you kids. Trying to the niggins the last name of Wilson and all that now, man.

Yeah. Yeah, shout out of the future. Yeah, shit. Yeah, I ain't with that. But on the future Wilson, I'm not being trying to change it. I doubt future would happen, but this is it had me on fire. No, they did, yeah, they did, like legally changed it, too, so.

So yeah, now you got to leave mine. Is Wilson? Yeah. Yeah, bro. Come on, man. This is Val-Lay. Anyway, Wilburn Wilson.

Let me get off that topic, man. So yeah. Yeah. They didn't completely take it away. They just added Wilson to it. Let me mind my business. Anyway, listen, but fucking my opinion is,

I think this is a great time, because Russell Wilson, he has the look, he's clean cut. We've seen a lot of quarterbacks to take this job as far as Tom Brady, as far as Tony Romo. As far as Aikman and do a fantastic job, we'll see what Russell Wilson does. But I think my personal opinion, when the Jets asked him to be Gino Smith's backup, he said, oh, now, niggas violating. No, I quit. Niggas is violating me to be Gino Smith's backup at the Jets.

Now, I'm going to go take this up for the job. I think that was my personal opinion. I think it's great for him. New beginnings. He made on his money. He has his ring. He's with Sierra. He got the kid.

Like, honestly, he's in a great position. So shout out to him for, I guess, deciding to stamp it instead of having to put himself through more trouble and figure out where he could go. And like Cam said, be a backup. Or like May said, just really end up anywhere that might not be beneficial to him at all. Because it's like, if we're not winning a ring, what am I really still trying to, what we're trying to do at this point? So I think just knowing when to end is a great skill to have that a lot of people do not.

So I'm going to say shout out to Russell Wilson because it's going to be good for him. And he's very calculated. He'll be locked in. Yeah. And shout out the future. We definitely didn't mean no disrespect by that. Yeah. Go ahead.

Hey, guys in the comments, let us know if you guys think Russ retired at the right time. And also, again, leave you guys his comments on the what it takes to be a New Yorker discussion. I think that there's some good things there. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.