IT IS WHAT IT IS - WEMBY'S ARRIVAL, THE THUNDER HAVE A CHET ISSUE & MYLES GARRETT HEADS TO LA!

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

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Okay, we're back at it. Welcome back to What It Is What It is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stap Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Kahn. Killer was good, man. What's your word, man. How are you today? I'm chilling, man. That's what's up.

Chill, chilling, chilling, chill, I'm glad y'all are feeling great. I'm sure you're feeling even greater because we caught a lot of things. So, of course, we got some basketball to discuss first. But if y'all stick around, we're also going to discuss some football later, because a lot of breaking news has happened. But the Spurs, they are on their way to the NBA finals after defeating the Thunder 111 to 103 in game seven. So we saw all the emotions that Wembe had after the game.

But Mace, what did you think of the Spurs' performance as a whole? I just got to start by saying everybody's second team is out of here. I'm happy about that. So this blue I'm wearing is not an OKC blue. I'm just going to start off by saying that this blue does not represent. Okay, see, it represents the train station. I hope you know where we're going with this. It represent the train station.

I got to show some love to the train station. What's the question again? How did you feel about the Spurs performance as a whole? And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't the mix of your second team? Because it definitely wasn't your problem? All right. He's just going to laugh at all. But we'll get back to the Spurs.

We'll get back to the Spurs. No, I love what I saw in Game 7. I actually thought it would be different. But when I saw SGA outfit as he walked in, I just knew they wasn't going to win that game. It just wasn't going to happen. You know, I like the fact that what castled him put the defense on him, and they control what they could control.

You know, they tell you this in sports. You got to control what you can control. And he was actually saying I can control this part of the game. I like what Wimby did. Wimby went out there and proved what I thought about him in the first place. And that's that he's the best player in the league. I'm just going to go ahead and say it. There's nobody that's going to be better than Wemby for a very long time.

I pray every day. I'm going to pray for Wemby's health. Because if his health holds up, he is the best player. He might pass, I don't want to go there, but he might pass, he might pass Braun and Kobe and all of them. If he gets this first ring, and that's what I saw when I saw Game 7. I saw somebody that was just that much better than everybody on the floor because of his God-given height, but also his will to win,

his will that I'm going to be responsible for us winning, just like I was responsible when we lost, and that accountability is going to set them apart from everybody else, and we're no longer in a soft era. I like this. Pause. We're no longer in a soft era. That's what I saw in Game 7.

I saw everybody, I saw him take that relation, I meant that ongoing thing he was doing back and forth with Chet, very personal. I saw Chet Banish. I mean, it's a lot you can take from this. I saw an OKC team that was no longer good enough. They can't

come back with this team next year. It would only get worse than what they saw in game seven. After I saw game six, I thought SGA and them would show up. But it's a new sheriff in town and it's a new NBA. I love it. Kim.

See, when you We are used to winning, you don't have to go crazy. Oh, my goodness. We just won't win it before you was born. We actually played the Nixon 99. He wasn't here. It's a championship. It's a repeat of 1999 championship.

We won. I don't have to jump up and down. I don't have to go crazy. When you're from a real title town, you don't have to. That's where you're going with this. That's where you're going, man. from the real title town. This is why you can't be a friend.

Hand up. Hand up. You got it. You're from the real title tale. You got five chips. Yeah, you're right. You got five chips in the last in this century. Even like, well, 99.

The real title town anyway, man. You don't have to go crazy. You don't have to scream. You don't have to yell. This is what you're accustomed to. So, congratulations to us for making it back to the championship. Look, I have to say this, man, our organization, talking about the Spurs, we have one of the best organizations of rebuilding very, very fast, man.

And don't get me wrong, you know, it's a little luck here and there hitting a lottery balls, paws, and everything else. But us getting the best big men in the span of 25 years, longer than that, because you got David Robertson. Then after David Robertson, you go get Tim Duncan, probably the best power forward ever. Now you got Wemby, the alien who might Mastair said might be the best player ever. You know, we get stuff on a castle.

Listen, we got to give up to my hat to management pop up there running the show from the Skybox. He's in practices. Ms. Johnson, I just want to say shout to the whole organization. Now, back to Game 7, and I know we're going to visit some more things about this game. I won't say too much because I'll let Statt ask the other questions that she has to ask. But as far as this game is concerned, this was, this, Wembe, Wembe didn't even go crazy. Wembe had an all right game. To me, for Wembe, it was subpar.

It was good enough. It's about everybody else who contribute. You know, you got Castle Guard and SGA. You know, he had a decent game. We'll talk about point-wise. You know, Shia Paine, he's knocking down shots, 20 points. Caledon Johnson finally showed up in that like the sixth man a year. And I think that Dylan Harper wasn't playing games,

playing that well the last couple games before game seven because he got injured early in the series and he still played no matter what. So I think his game was off a little bit because of the injury. You got to realize this. We're also playing the Spurs, that is, with too bad wheels with Deerrin Fox.

He's still out there putting on the show with his ankle bracelets on and pushing and fighting and everything else. Cornett bringing the nuns in. Listen, man, it's been an all-around team effort. So as great as Wimby is, the pieces that they have around there, young, talented, outstanding job because Wembe didn't have to go. Wimby didn't even have 25 points, let alone 30, 35 or 40.

He didn't even get 25. He did what he had to do when he needed to do it. Of course, always a defensive prowess when he's on defense, number one defender in the NBA. but the rest of the team actually showed up and showed what it's about. Me personally, I'm not going to lie to you. I thought that we were two, three years away from this thing,

to be honest with you. But to see these kids grow right in front of our eyes was truly a joy to watch. Not only that, sometimes the best teacher is experience. You can sit there and go to school all you want. I'm not talking about basketball. You go to school all you want and learn everything you can,

but you won't get that, You won't learn anything from experience. You know what I used to do? When I had my record company and I was running on a full-time operation, I'm talking about with my record company when I have my offices up in Def Jam and then Warner Brothers. I only hired college graduates with music major degrees. Because you went to school all this time to work for me and I have a GED.

So you went to school essentially four years to work with me. and now you're trying to talk about points and how this works and the music and this and music. I said, all right, cool. Go to Brownsville real quick and pick up this money out to Project 16D. It's going to be a nigger named Gerald up there.

Give them a five like this and come back with the money. I used to send niggas on Wild Missions because they thought they going to school would be a great way to learn the music business. To me, it really wasn't. You know, when they give you these record deals, you know what they say?

Yo, you're going to get six points on this. And give you four points and five points. And after I got my initial record deal, when they're trying to come meet that again, I said, I don't want to hear about points. What is this equal to in dollars? Because I can't take points to my landlord. I can't take points to the bank. I can't tell a nigga, yo, well, check this out, man.

I can pay you right next month because I got six points on this. No, fuck that. Sometime the best experience, best teachers experience. And that's what I got from the Spurs. We say, oh, they never been through none. They never been there. They've just been through a rough seven-game series with the reigning champion

and a two-tile reigning MVP. So congratulations to them. I thought it was a hard-fought battle. And we'll see what happens next year. Yeah. And I want to say experience does outweigh everything. And that's coming from me. Y'all know I'm a big advocate for school.

But, like, you've got to be able to literally get in the field. So you brought up how on the Spurs, basically other players aside from Wemby, were able to step up and help out, which as a whole made their team the better team on the court at the time. But looking at the Thunder, right, I mean, that's clearly what they were lacking. I specifically want to hone in on Chet, right? What do you rate, like, his gameplay for this game seven and how he performed? He was really the non-factor on his team. I mean, I know I said that they was playing, you know, good D on SGA, but even though he had 35, they kept it where you're going to get your points,

but we're going to make sure nobody else beats us, right? So because we know they're going to call all the fouls for SGA, because I wanted to impact that pause for people to be like, what do you mean they play good defense? He had 35 or he had this many assists. Listen, they kept him where they wanted him to play, so nobody else would. get off. Pause. So even when you think of Chet, Chet only have four points. So when I'm looking at

this team, it's just like he just wasn't there. Whatever happened between him and Victor Wimblyamba, it stayed on Wimbi's mind. Like Killers said in Times Pass, he made sure that he made a point that I am here to show you we are not nowhere near the same players as we were a couple years ago. This is my league. I am here to stay. And every time I see you, I'm going to punish you. Pause. That's how this looked

in this series. This chat that we knew didn't show up this series. This was the most this was the most unfavorable time to disappear. This is when it counts.

I'm now going to put him in that class if he does this again with the likes of heart and people like that that get there and just vanish. This was a vanishing because last year when he played well and they won the championship, they didn't have to meet San Antonio. So I can't say I can't even count that no more. Like we used to see Embed and he doesn't go to Denver, this might be one of those things we got to watch. Next time Chet, when you play Wimby, you gotta go crazy.

They're playing with your name. You actually rate them one like what? One through 10 on the scale of his- I'm giving them a three. Okay. On 1 through 10, a negative 97. Okay. The fuck was you at home, boy.

Where was you at, nigga? You 100-10, minus 97. That's what you get. You get nothing. You get nothing. You're in the hole. You know how bad you're in the whole, the niggas is talking about trading you.

That's how bad it is for you, nigga. And listen, I'm usually one of the biggest like, nah, let's chill out. They then, hey, you know. And I'm skipping. We might as well just bring it all out now and talk about this shit. You know, what I will say is this,

because they talk about possibly trading, or it's just rumors, words out, we don't know what Sam Presti's going to do. But I would say leave him. Excuse me. me, you didn't have J. Dub and you didn't have A.J. Mitchell, who's your second leader scorer. We're not going to act like that didn't count either. Basically, your ball handling was all through SGA.

We know Dord is not really a big ball handler. You know, Mr. Sass McCain, you know. Sass McCann? Surprise. He's doing what he's supposed to do. Why? I said he's doing what he's supposed to do. Why you gotta be Sass McCain?

You don't like Sass? I call him McNell. Yeah, McNell. Sass is not a bad word. Is Sass a bad word? I would not want to be called Sass McCain. Personally, Sass nothing. He might like it. I don't know at this point.

I don't know. He might like that shit. He was balling the last game. In this game, he got 12. That's a lot to come off the bench. He was balling a few games, a couple games this series. and he got carried away with itself. You know what I'm saying?

We got to think about what's the name, even though he had, I think, 12, 14, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was 12, but... 12. Not McCabe Caruso. He shot terribly. Three for 14 from the field.

Look, niggas didn't show when they count. But Choo-Cet, what the fuck was you doing, bro? You took two shots. That's, though, bro, it comes to a time when you're a basketball player where you got to be like, let me get the ball. Even if the play's not ran for you,

you, they're not running the office. It comes a time when you've got to be like, nah, no, no, dead ass. Y'all play, let me get the rock. And it seems like you didn't do that. You're moping around. You know what kind of off-season this is going to be for you?

This is going to be a terrible off-season because now they're talking about, well, if you give a couple of draft picks to Milwaukee and, you know, if you could keep Hornstein, Greek freak would look crazy. They look sexy down there with Greek freak. Now they might be able to compete with San Antonio. Because after this, when niggas is saying,

that San Antonio is about to run the West for however many years. They're not even counting O.K.C. no more to run the West. Now, me personally, I'm not going to discredit O.K.C. Because, like I said, you got A.J. Mitchell out and you got J. Dub out. And J. Dub was basically out for a lot of games

in the playoffs. I think he only played three or four games. So I'm not going to discredit them. Those are important players. Not just a regular player. He's a all-NBA player, meaning he's a top 15 NBA player when he's available.

So I'm not going to just discredit O.K.C. and throw him out the window. Shaden showed up what he needed to show up. He had 35 points. But it's looking like in San Antonio World in the West, man. That's what it's looking like. And Chet, they're blaming you. They said, they're not saying, you know what, nigga? I've seen all type of memes about you.

They say, fuck the number seven because it's number seven. We need you in game seven. They had all type of shit about you out there, Chad. And I was like, damn, man. It's cold world, man. but I dig it. I dig it. You're 7-1, 7-2.

Whatever it is, nigga, he ain't that much taller than you. Come on now, man. Yeah, he only 3 inches. Yeah, he only 3 inches. You know, fam, I played a bunch against a bunch of niggas 6-5, 6, 6, 6, 7. 6.8.

Yeah, and we played against 6-7, 6-8. And 1 it,000, the problems. I don't know with genuine ex-gen-ex-gen. You know, listen, man. It's the cupcake era. My nigga. And I like Wimby bringing back, you know, that original style of basketball.

I'm for it. And listen. I'm discounting them. And to be honest with you. I'm discounting. The nigger Wimby may not go by the Junkin's shit. He over there, man. I see some shit with Wimby.

Wimby was dived in the water, did Jumping Jackson grab some weights and started lifting weights under water. I'm like, what time he started breathing? Because he was under there for like two minutes. I don't know if y'all seen this for this. of Wimby going underwater, doing some exercise, and grab some weights

and saw a lift the weights and swimming with the shit. The video cut off, he was still underwater when the video cut off. I don't know how long he was under there. But this is the type of mindset. Yeah, he was trained for this. That a nigger wants to win, you know. He wants to win and check.

You don't want to win from the outside looking in or you're scared of that nigga. It's one of the other, man. And I would hate to say as a basketball player that you're scared of anybody. I remember this nigga sent to ask me and Mace. Yo, y'all want to be scared to guard Kariq when y'all was coming up? No.

What are you talking about, man? Isn't it a nothing? No, I don't want to get embarrassed. Yo, bro, man, do you want to be a ball player? Oh, no. Niggin, we can't. Nothing the nights we wake up early. Talk about the game.

Get your hair cut. Yeah, yeah. What is you talking about? Noggin' we slap the floor and all that on Kari and we play against Kari. It actually was a Kari. It was a nigga name at Cota. They're not just at Cota Parmy.

Bougar Smith. Yeah, Rayford Austin. Yeah, nigga, look me y'all, my nigga. Scared basketball players don't need to motherfucking be on the court, man. There's no room for y'all niggas, man. And then when your body language and your facial expression show, yo, my nigga, it's not gonna be good. And the crazy shit is, you know what's crazy,

to be totally honest with you? I don't know if Greek freak would go for it because he's on a one-year contract, and it might just be a rental, but this might actually be a good trade. For both parties, right? When you think about this, you got a young check, you could be the number one nigga that you wanted to be,

or you're not saying you wanted to be, that you were supposed to be, because you really was gonna be a number one option when you got drafted to OKC. You end up getting hurt. Shea's over there, She starts bawling out crazy. Now you're becoming second and maybe third option

behind J. Dubb. Then the nigger, just make all. NBA just this season? Was he on an all NBA team? What the fuck are you doing? I would take my vote back. How the fuck we made you all NBA and you pouting and skid

and all type of shit only took two shots? And after a game you sock it. Leach James Harton said that he played good. James Hart said, I thought I did a right. He said, he went one game, James Hart, his confidence, it's crazy. He said, I'm playing D and all that. He said he was playing defense.

He said, I thought I did decent. You over there pouting this shit, negative 97 on the scale of 11. It was called ice cream on James. Everybody. Everybody. The nigga, sham it called ice cream on the knee. The ice cream. He told the nigga get out the way, my nigga.

So, if the Greek freak, like I said, I don't know how to financially it will work or anything else. And the Greek freak you have for a one-year deal unless he wants to sign there for a couple more years. But yeah, I think this is a great trade for Milwaukee as well because you got a young talent in check. We can see if he's really a number one option. No disrespect to the Eastern Conference,

but I think it's a little easier than the Western Conference. Go over there, throw your weight around, even though you bought a hundred sixty-six2 pounds soaking wet. But listen, man, I wouldn't get rid of you, but I'm just saying these are the things that's throwing out there. I would run it back, me personally, and wait for the whole team to get back and see where we're at with it.

Then if it don't work next year, cool. Think about this, man. You lost game seven by eight points without top two players on the floor outside of Chet. Yeah, that's a good point. And I can't even be mad at the rating because I understand they didn't have two players, but four points from Chet is crazy.

Like that's over. No, but next year, if San Antonio. Two shots is crazy. But two, to take only two shots. I'd rather you have four points and shoot 15, 16 shots. Be personally. Go ahead. Yeah, but one San Antonio, if they win this championship, the confidence that team is coming

back with will be more than those eight points. You know, after people win the championship, they become different animals, you know, for us. They definitely do. Yeah, but that's also why I think it's going to be harder. Because you know those players who just go through the motions and they're not really thinking aside from like what the plays and they're just moved. That's kind of what, because like you said, even shooting two shots only is crazy.

And like, especially because I know they're probably not on social media, but everybody's saying like, Chet, you need to step it up, Chet, you need to do this, you're slacking, you're, uh, uh, like, at what point do you have that switch turn on where you're like, this is game seven, let me lock in. Like, that just never happened with Chet. Some people don't think like that.

They think, like, I already got my championship. This is important to y'all. You know, this is your generation. That I already got my chip. It's money time now, right? So, but I think when you play like this. Everybody got paid over there. Yeah.

All three of them niggas got paid. It's my fault. Yeah, so you're thinking like this, I think this is, um, this might be Chess last year on this contract. What year is he in? He just didn't deal. Yeah, he just signed a new five-year one. Yeah, so he has some time there, but.

Yeah, he got to play better than that. Because if this was his money year, he needed more points than four. And right now, they're definitely trying to see what else is available. But I don't think you can get rid of chat unless you get somebody like Yonis, because the West Coast is going to be too tall. I don't care how good you play. If you got to play a 7-4 hanging by the basket, it's so much spinning off the backboard you could do

because you got to get it to the backboard. And I think this, when you got defense like Vacelle, and you got defense like Cassel, and they're already putting the pressure on the ball. And then they're playing defense, and you're trying to change your shot. And then when we come out of somewhere, it's just difficult to play against. And he's only going to get better, and he's only going to get more aggressive when it comes to blocking shots and things like that. He'll get to the point where he's getting 10 blocks. And then Chet's contract goes to the 2030 to 2031 season. That's crazy.

So I guess let's just end on this because I know you brought up Janice and you tapped in a little bit with that too. Any other changes that you think OKC should make after just seeing how that game seven ended? Yeah, I like Killers' idea they could run it back if they only lost by eight. But they'll probably all lose next year to them again or this will become a great rivalry. This may become that magic and bird thing where they go back and forth with people winning different championships. But I like both of these teams.

I think, and what's the exact question? Yeah, basically any other changes aside from Chet that you think okay. I think they should run it back. Like I said, they lost by eight points, but you have to think about this as well. How motivated is J. Dove like, nigga, because I know me personally,

if I was playing, nigga. Y'all ain't happy. Yeah, yeah. And AJ Mitchell, too. Yeah. Nigga, if we was playing. Now y'all know how important I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tim Gittins. Yeah. That's what I remember we was 23 and no. And the two guard on my team got hurt. And we was like, whatever, we're on there. We lost in the first round. He came to school laughing the next day. Yeah.

So I know, but personally as a. a former athlete, like I said, not professional level. Nigger, I'm talking shit all season. It don't count. I wasn't playing. Fuck, you took you. Nick, you know what you're seeing the game that I played. Fuck is you talking about.

AJ Smith, he's the second leading scorer. AJ Mitchell's like, bro, the second leading score in our player. I'm throwing all that in there. I think this would be a great rivalry if you leave the teams how they are. Cheddar come back more motivated because he's going to have to deal with it all off season. And give him a chance, man. Listen, no team is not, you know,

we just live in a motherfucker microwave era. We want everything now, everything now. And if something doesn't go right now, we gotta change everything up. Change everything up, no, this isn't working, this isn't working, this isn't working. Yo, let, you know, let, let niggas get some time to see, develop, you're not just lose, don't get it fucked up.

You lose it to some young niggas who never been through it, but you're losing to a nigger that we'd never seen before. Like Mace just said, We've seen Michael Joy, we've seen LeBron James, we've seen Kobe Bryant, we've seen Kevin Durant, we've seen Seth Curry. We've never seen this before. This is something brand new.

So I would chill out, relax, bring the crew back and see how it goes from there, me personally. I wouldn't rush and get Janus because we don't know if Janus wants to stay there. It would be a one-year rental if he doesn't sign with them long term. His contract is up next year. I'll talk about Yonis. Yeah, but if Wemby, if he wins this and he stay healthy, he'll be our new goat.

Oh, new goat. Okay, ready to stamp that. I haven't heard that from you. Okay, well, shout out to the Spurs. Game one will be Wednesday, June 3rd, versus the Knicks, and we will be talking about that later this week. But we're going to go to break when we return. We will be joined with our analysts, Arabia, to talk some football.

Welcome like an option I'm my own problem big She's tired of hearing What's stubborn in me with this thing called trust But she really thinking about She want to be free I want to see her walk away

I wish somebody told me the rules Disagreements let her win And it's cool Even when I'm Welcome back. Y'all now we are joined with our analysts, Arabia. Hey y'all, thank you for having me. How are you?

Great. I'm amazing. Thank you. I'm happy to be here so we can talk some football. It's been all basketball, everything. It's first this and nix that. And so I'm just happy to take a little break from basketball. Have you learned anything?

I learned that I still hate the NBA. I learned that it's a really hard watch. I learned that in the United States, the brand of football that's being played is just ISO to the most athletic player. It's not the same team ball movement, drive to the basket, hard defense ball. that I fell in love with. I learned that I still don't like it.

But it's been kind of entertaining. There have been really exciting moments in these series, but I think there's a reason why internationally basketball is kind of catching up to the United States where back in the day was kind of a no-brainer. And, yeah, we have very athletic players, but it's just not a brand of football that I find to be entertaining.

A brand of football? You meant basketball. Basketball, yes. Okay. What brand of basketball is entertaining to you? I'm a huge fan of like college basketball. I think women's basketball also is more like a fundamental type of like, again, like way more ball movement, way more like screens being set and this and that. And again, I feel like a lot of times when I'm watching NBA games, it's just like they're relying so much on athleticism instead of actual like plays and setting up defenses and stuff like that.

So, you know, it just it's okay. So is your thing more like the short, short errors? Because you like the women and you like the older basketball. Is it short shorts that you like? What is that? No, what? It might be the short shorts. It could be I just like football because they wear tight clothes.

And I like basketball when it was short shorts. So, you know, you might be on to something. I don't know. It sounds like, and that's a great point, base. But it sounds like to me you're trying to say that basketball isn't really a thing. man's game as opposed to football is. Is that what you said? No, it wasn't so much a comparison

between football and basketball, so much of a comparison between basketball when I was watching it back in the day to what it is when I've been watching it most recently. So not comparing two different sports, but like two different eras. Gotcha. What does gaslight mean?

Gaslighting? You feel like she's gaslighting? Is that where you're getting at? No, I think Cam is a professional. Oh, Cam is gaslighting. serious question. No, questions from everybody. Because she doesn't like basketball. She doesn't like to even learn about it.

So I was just curious, why not? We never really asked her why not. We just noticed she doesn't fuck with basketball. She feels strongly about it, too. I know people hearing that I probably like. So we never asked us. So I just was like, wanted to know exactly why. Yeah, and that is clear and set.

So Arabia, all 32, we got it. You got football. What does gaslighting mean? Gaslighting, when you kind of try to make somebody feel as if what they're saying isn't correct or like positive or whatever like in that sense. All right. I got to use it better than. So is it because.

Yeah. But I mean, they were valid questions and now we got her answer. And like I said, her answer was clear. But luckily today we got a lot of football to talk about. Like you said, you don't want to hear about the Spurs. You don't want to hear about the Knicks. And luckily we already spoke about that. But let's talk about Miles Garrett.

Miles Garrett is now in L.A. Ram. So the Brown traded the all pro defensive end. to the Rams in exchange for Edge Jared Verse and a 2027 first round pick, a 2028 second round pick, and a 2029 third round pick. So Arabia, obviously, this is huge news. What does this do for the Rams and what does this do for the Browns? Can you break it down for us? Of course. So first of all, before we get into the teams, let's talk about this June 1st designation.

There's a reason why there are different waves of free agency in the off season. And the reason why is because there are some really important dates in the NFL all throughout the year. and especially in the off season. So June 1st is a really important date because most NFL contracts have signing bonuses. Teams can spread that money out throughout the length of a contract. So if you have a $20 million signing bonus over a four-year contract, you can pay $5 million per year to spread that out

so it's not such a big cap hit in one year. However, if that player is removed from the roster, whether it's a trade or whether it's a release, whatever, you would still have some money to account for as far as that signing bonus that hadn't been paid to that. So June 1st is designated as a time where a team is allowed to spread that dead cat money across the remaining years. So in this Miles Garrett example, instead of the Browns having to pay Miles Garrett $40 million in this league year, they're going to pay him $25 million and then $15 million. So that

was definitely kind of like a reprie for the Browns. They restructured his contract in March to make it easier to deal him out. But I think this definitely is a really good thing for the Rams. Obviously, having Miles Garrett on their roster is going to benefit greatly. I'm really excited to see him go up against the Seahawks twice a year, going up against Trent Williams twice a year. I think that matchup is going to be something that is going to feed families. I think it's going to be really exciting to see him in the NFC West. And then I wonder how Jared Verst feels.

Jared Verst was a rookie in 2024. He got defensive rookie of the year. Getting that call to say you're traded to the Browns after leaving the L.A. Rams probably was just like gut-wrenching. maybe. I'm not sure, but I think the Browns are also getting a really good players. So two really good players, 2023, Miles Garrett got defensive player

of the year, and then 2024, Jared versus got defensive rookie of the year, and then again, 2025 Miles Garrett, defensive player of the year. So two really good players who are going to benefit whatever roster they're on. Yeah, I really, I really think this was a horrible trade, actually, because

when you think of Miles Garrett, I think he was like one of the only better things that was going on. on the team, so why would you get rid of him? I understand that you're getting, I mean, it's horrible for the guy on the other side, like you said. If he's leaving California and then I got to live in Cleveland, I'm really not.

What you're trying to say about Cleveland? I'm just really not. I'm not, I'm just, imagine you got, you got colorful shirts, you got drop tops, you're thinking of living on a goal. There's no drop tops of Cleveland? No, I'm just saying it gets cold. there is snow, you can't, you can't have the same outfits if you're in Cleveland. You got to have on fur coats.

You got to have on the goose. You got to have a shovel. You got to have salt down for snow. If you get this call, you're a young player. You're in, you're in L.A. Everything's going well. Your roster is getting full. You know what I'm saying?

He's doing, he's having the time of his life in California. And then you get, you're getting traded for a, another defensive ends, so it's not like he wasn't playing well. So why does he get traded? Pack up somebody else. I'm the future. I know in his mind he's thinking, I did well this year. I'm the future of L.A.

Stad knows what I'm talking about, new hotness. You in the city, they know your name. You're getting sacks. You know, your team is winning. And then you find out you're going from a better team to one of the worst teams in the league and one of the probably the cities he didn't want to live in. He probably didn't want to live here, and it's a worst theme. This is a setback for him.

If you need a therapist, reach out. I understand what you're going through. I don't like this for Jared Verst. Yeah, I don't like this for Jared Verst. But I think Cleveland did a marvelous job in bringing them there and getting all of these other picks. you know, because those picks are going to turn into some important people. I just could feel it.

And this may be the turnaround of their team. So for Cleveland, I love it. For L.A., I'm like, nah. But they're thinking they've got to win now. You only got a year more with Stafford, right? So, yeah, it's time to get it done. So I like it from that vantage point. Okay.

Shovel in a coat. Cam. I want to give Cleveland a lot of props. I like Cleveland. Can't. No, I understand where you're coming from from a football perspective. Your football perspective was on point.

It wasn't about the football. You're just going to throw the whole city away, though. Really? Damn. It just was in the Eastern Conference final saying when nothing. But it wasn't, I wasn't disagreeing with your football perspective. The reason I want to give the Cleveland Brown props is because thanks for letting the nigger go that you know

it's super nice and y'all not going. nowhere and you're wasting this man's life. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I like that. Yeah, yeah. Like, you got it. Yeah, you wasted my life, my nigga.

We ain't going nowhere. Can I try and win one season? I respect Cleveland from that standpoint. They got somebody good back. They got some draft pick and they say, it's going to hurt for us to leave, let this nigga go. Listen, the fans are going to be in an up rate uproar because this is the best

player you got. Not just the best player you got. This is the best defensive a player in the NFL and might be the best player in the NFL depending on who you're talking to. You know, he has 125 sacks over nine seasons. Only person better than that is Reggie White. Single season sack record, which he got last season on my

nigger Joe Burrow. Look, this is look, we can't, Miles Garrett is one of them niggas and I want to say thank you to Cleveland. Even though it's nothing to do with me, that's not my team. But sometimes let a nigger go try and win one. You're not going to, you're wasting this man's

So yes, I'm happy they let them go. Back to what Mace just said, though. The rim always is trying to win now. They don't play. They try to win now. Yo, Pooka Kanoa look like. Tell that man, Kuba Kopp, get fuck up out of here. That niggum, tell him to take a hike.

Whatever, Pookie, whatever, sitting on the... Yeah, you got it. Yeah. Yeah. Tell him to get the fuck up out of here. Jai Gaw, he's number one pick. This nigga, slacking. Let's see what Matthew said. We ought to win now.

The Rams are always trying to win now. It ain't about, and we're going to see what we can do in three, four years. We're going to see. No, they're trying to win now. They're one step behind Seattle, and Miles Garrett keeps them ahead of San Francisco. So shout to the Rams for actually getting this done. And always making moves to try to keep them to win immediately. You know, what's my nigga name?

I got me your ain't called a nigga Sam Donald. the fucking Russia that was for the Rams he'd been sent he'd been out Aaron Donald I mean he got to call him him saying Aaron Donald

that name's a beast or was a beast this is a great replacement this is I salute to the Rams for trying to win immediately all the time and salute to Cleveland

for getting a young dog and possibly being hopefully one of these days a Miles Garrett type nigga but I want to give a salute to both these organizations man Yeah so

at hindsight I think it was good for both because the Cleveland, we don't expect much from them. And to hold this nigga life up is a damn near crime because you don't never hear the nigger Mallis Garrett crying. One year he held out, they ended up paying the nigger and he didn't even hold out that long. So it isn't like he's crying, I got to get the fuck out here. I don't want to be here.

You don't hear the rumors like you see other niggas on the sideline reading comic books, jumping rope, doing all type of shit, trying to get out on some James Hart and shit. You don't get that from Miles Garrett. So for him to quietly, possibly be like, I don't want to be here. He didn't put it out there in the public. And Arabia broke down some other facts for his financials concern. It made sense for everybody.

So congratulations to everybody involved in this trade. Yeah. And I also stand corrected because if I'm correct, I think, Jare versus from Ohio. So he's going home. He's going home. So I stand corrected on that. you know, he's from Dayton, Ohio. He's definitely excited about this.

Being in Ohio. It ain't always exciting to go home. Yeah. Can you, can y'all relate? I'm just saying, no, I'm just saying if you, I've never been a professional athlete, but I can just imagine. There's a lot of pressure when you play at home tickets

and family and driving and. Everybody. Dayton, Dayton, Cleveland is about hour and 20 minutes, hour 30, if you. that and everybody come in pause. Literally everybody, and that's a whole other thing that have to worry about. So you spoke on him kind of like being smooth

about the process, not really throwing much of a fuss. So now we got another player who on the opposite end had a little bit of a different experience. So we were always having the what's next for A.J. Brown conversations. Well, that has finally ended after the Eagles decided to trade A.J. Brown to the Patriots for a first round draft pick in 28

and a 2027 fifth round pick. So Arabia does this trade, make sense to you? Sure, yeah. I mean, he didn't want to be in Philly. He was very vocal about that, his body language, the things he actually said, he didn't want to be there. Siriani's the kind of coach where it's like he's going to only have you on a short

lease. He's not a super patient understanding guy. So I think both parties were like, all right, if you don't want to be here, I'll let you go. and then A.J. Brown obviously was really happy to go. Speculation has been going on for months that this trade was going to happen. So we finally get to see it. AJ Brown is reunited with Mike Rabel.

So Rable was the head coach of the Titans in 2029 when A.J. Brown was drafted to the NFL. The Eagles have been preparing for this separation for a while, moving up in the draft to get Mackay Lemon, trading for Don Tavion Wicks and signing Hollywood Brown and Elijah Moore. I think A.J. Brown will be a really reliable perimeter option for Drake May, a young quarterback who's still trying to get his motion with his receivers. I think A.J. Brown will really be as productive as he was with the E. Eagles. I mean, in the last four seasons, only him and Jamar Chase are the only receivers in the NFL who have at least a thousand receiving yards and seven touchdowns. And I say that to say, he's been performing at a high level for a while now. Now, you can make the comparisons between

Jalen Hertz and Drake May to see, well, will he have the same person under center to try to get him the ball? And, you know, that's another conversation. But I think he joins a Patriot's team that's really set up for him to be wide receiver one and still be very productive. Speaking of the whole team, They've definitely changed this wide receiver room a lot in the offseason, and they will be the first team in the NFL in NFL history to start the season with four straight games against playoff teams from the previous season. So it'll be an interesting start to the season, again, him trying to get chemistry with Drake May and still being on a new team and having a relatively rough schedule to start off with,

but I think he'll be fine. Yeah, I think I would like to see him get back the way he was in like 2022, 2020, I think, when he was averaging about 11, when he had about 11, 11 touchdowns. I'm not sure if he could do that, but this would be the place to do it. I mean, he got other decoys. I hate to call him a decoy, but when A.J. Brown gets there, I believe he would be wide out pause number one. And with Stefan on the other side, if he goes back, I think this is a real formidable

championship team. Even though, you know, there's a lot of other teams. that could beat them. I think this make them really, really violent, really explosive. And I'm just happy to see him on a team that he could stop just being a distraction. I think right here, he gets the ball,

pause more than before, and that 1,000 yards should go up to about 1,200. I don't think Stefan Dix coming back. I think he's a free agent. What's Vainville doing with his girl and his wife? What's going on with Diana? What's happening with that? Did they give him a...

I saw him I checked. They was talking why he's in therapy and all that. We're going to skip over that? Are we not going to mention that? This is what happens with me. They just let him do what happens. We act like... Yeah, big distractions.

I think it wasn't tongue-kissing and taking twin pictures when you dress up in the Benetton at the same outfit with the girl. Is he back with his wife, Arabia? What's going on with that? You know how you have you ever gotten cheated on? You'd be dragging me into these conversations, but I'll be with it.

You ever, you've ever been cheating and then you get caught cheating, but you know you're not going to stop cheating, but you just got to lay low for a little bit and let the scene calm, like the dust settle. So they just got to lay low for a little bit. They're not really talking as much, but they're both thinking about each other, maybe like birthdays or anniversaries are passing,

but they're just letting it cool down. They're laying low, but then once everybody's super forgets, then they're gonna be back. They're gonna be back. You're talking about the Brousini joint? Yes. Well, what about his wife? He did shout her out recently.

Oh. Yeah, she's not going to where. All right, so she's not, she wanted them bitches that been like, you just, she's like a Hillary clan, like, why you just can't keep shit talk to let you get away with shit. Just, just. Just embarrassed. Yeah, right.

Yeah, something. Some people you win is just embarrassing. You're just embarrassed. I used to think about that shit with Hillary Critt in May. When you'd be like, you already let you get away where everything,

all I'm asking you is, don't let me get in the public. You're just embarrassing. That's wow. I had a girl tell me that that's why it's so fun. You're wild ago shit. You're just embarrassing, man. Yeah, you got to do something about the embarrassed of it.

Yeah, but, you know, that's why I don't lie no more. I just say what it is, man, out front in the open. Yeah, listen, man, this is good for Drake May. He has a solidified number one receiver. We've seen all the how this played out with A.J. Brown in Philadelphia. I'm never going to say it's not a good time to read the Bible, but it's very distracting to the team in between when the team was on defense on the field and he was on the side.

Like I said, I'm never going to tell somebody it's not a good time, but he knew the camera would be on him, and he knew that people would probably respond to that. And he did a bunch of different things to show that he didn't want to be on the Eagles anymore. My main thing with him was last game that he played with the Eagles. talked about how he doesn't get the ball, and not passing to him. I think he had three drops.

Made them lose the game, my personal opinion. Don't blame it on Jailer Hirst. It was solely on you. So if you're that unhappy, you have a fresh new quarterback with a great organization. Let's see what you're getting done up there. Good luck to your brother. And then just before we move on,

I do want to add to just the Mike Brable conversation real quick. Because the reporters are being kind of slick because they've been asking him about it in the press conferences. So they're like, okay, how's you in the family? Like, how are things going? So he said, it's really good. I appreciate my family.

I love Jen, which is his wife. I love the boys. I love my personal friends. Diana on the other side has been a photograph with her husband that has been there all along. So I don't know. They are kind of, like Arabia said, they just kind of laying low,

but not for real because they're clearly still with their partners, but like everybody's kind of brushing it on the rug. So I think they're really just going to lock in until football season comes around again, which I guess good for them. I don't know. They'll have to figure that out. And then just real quick before we move on, because we kind of already knew how AJ Brown felt about the Eagles, but then he went to his Instagram to post a picture, well, really a baby picture of him with a Patriot shirt on.

Does that post make any statement to you or you kind of figured something like that would happen? Just what are your thoughts on that post by him? No, I don't take that too seriously because it's not like he also didn't post a thank you to Philadelphia. He said it was an absolute honor wearing that midnight green. He's showing that. out of Philadelphia out and kind of gave a statement in that regard. And then now he's moving on to a new team. So he kind of paid homage to the past and the Eagles while also acknowledging the future and how happy he probably is

to be out of Philly and with the new team. So it seemed pretty normal to me. It's not like he didn't say anything about his formal team, which I think would have looked a lot different. So I don't, I think it's cool. Yeah, good point. Just was curious because a lot of Eagles fans obviously felt some type of way about that, but you know, it's two teams.

And if that's the team that he liked growing up, that's the team that he liked growing up. Okay. So on to Odell Beckham Jr. So now he is a giant again after signing with them, in addition to them signing Braxton, Marios, and Juju Smith. So Arabia, was this an overall good decision for their locker room or do these trades not really move you?

What are your thoughts on this for the Giants? This doesn't move me at all. I mean, I get the storyline reunited with his former team, the team he started out with, no coach, fresh, fresh start. I think he'll maybe have a handful of splash plays. throughout the season here and there. But he'll really be a depth piece. That's his role.

That's what he was signed for. So I think he'll do just that. Like I said, the storyline is fun, I guess, but I'm just in reality, really underwhelmed at the prospect of OBJ back with the Giants. We talked about how AJ Brown will be back with Mike Rable, but he will now also be reunited, not just with the Giants,

but also with John Harbaugh, because, you know, he had a stint with the Ravens with Harbaugh. So I'm sure Harbaugh has a lot to do with them taking a chance at OBJ, but again, he's not going to return to his previous Giants glory and just be this super productive 1,200-yard receiver number one. I mean, they already have, you know, Malik neighbors there, even Darius Slate.

There's going to be certain people who are ahead of him in the depth chart. So he's going to be a depth piece. I think everybody has pretty tempered expectations of what OBJ will be. And as long as those expectations are managed, and I think he should be, he'll make a couple flashy plays here and there. He's good for it. We saw some flashes in the fanatics flag football game over the summer where he made that really cool one-handed catch and things like that.

But, you know, he'll have a cool little depth of parents for the Giants. I think with the people with the other pieces that they got, it's perfect for him. He doesn't have to overperform. He gets to come back after being out for so long and pause and only just do what he needs to do. And I think that fits where he's probably at, given his age. I think he probably could perform at a pause a high level, even if it's for a shorter period of time.

So I think with the role that he'll be needed for, as well as Harbaugh, doing them a favor, actually bringing them back to the NFL, I think it's perfect for them too, perfect for the city, just seeing OJ be around. It might be a great thing for New York. Rabie, I've been seeing a lot of chatting on the, is what it is group text between you and Nick.

What do you feel about Jackson Dart being with Trump? straight like that. All right. Welcome back. Welcome back. Yeah. I feel like if Jackson Dart wants to be openly political and open about his political stance, which has further implications when the person who you are openly backing has been in some legal troubles,

his character has been called into question. Those are just facts. You also have to be prepared for backlash because you, These are very serious allegations towards people who you're backing. So the thing, fine, if you want to support Trump, that's your thing, is America, whatever. But the thing that I don't like is people's attitude towards Abdul Carter for, number one, calling him out publicly because you supported him publicly. So whatever the backlash is should be about him publicly. And also people try to say that Abdul Carter created some tension in the locker room.

Well, Jackson Dart is the one who created that tension by being the first one to bring up politics. There are certain things that you just don't do in polite company, politics, religion, things like that for a reason, because it's just inherently divisive. So I don't like the backlash to Abdul Carter. And if that's what Jackson Dart wants to do, he want to be January 6th, that's fine. I also don't like how to be Jack and JD5. JD5 was around. Now they're trying to call him JD6. It'll never ever be JD6.

Stop trying to make JD6 a thing. He could be January Dart 6, January 6, DART. So, yeah, that's how I feel. I just don't, you know, I support Abdul Carter. It seems like you feel away, even though you keep saying you don't feel away. I do feel away. I definitely do feel away. I do.

You know, if that's what he wants to do, cool. But I fell away. And does this equal out the losses? Because in the group, Texas, saying that this is taking away at least two losses for the giants, for him appearing with Trump, if I read correctly, a week ago or two weeks ago. No, Jackson Dart sucks whether he endorses Trump or not. I think it's funny because, like, you know, this whole notion of like, oh, the Giants are so back, let's see it first. Let's see it first. I believe it when I see it.

Nick over there making faces. Oh, yeah, he's triggered. He thinks the Giants are going 13 and 4. Arabia's green. I knew it. He can really work in the control room because of what you said. Nick, do you think the Giants are going to have a better record than the commanders? Guarantee.

Oh, this is a clip. Definitely. That is a clip. That's nice. That's very nice. Easily winning. That's a rich coming from a guy who hasn't beat us since 2023. I'm not working.

They're our sons. We have them under our wing. And unless you beat my quarterback, unless you beat my team in the last three years, I'm not worried about you. Yeah, one good season, Arabia. Let's calm down. And guess what? Even with just that one good season, they still couldn't beat us last year. It got swept last year.

So it's like, even with the bad season, they still couldn't beat us. My team, I'm just saying, let's not get carried away. I think I will get carried away. I think I will do that. Okay. What are you expecting for the commanders this year? Because last year you were a real listener and they wasn't going to do anything and you were correct. Do I think what do you think this year?

I'm really excited about this year. This year feels like we made some really good offseason moves between veterans, and I like what we did in the draft. If we're healthy, I think we can really compete in our division, and I hate to say it. I'm only going to say it once because there are no Cowboys fans around. But Cowboys also got a lot. The NFC East as a whole got a lot better,

but Cowboys got a lot better, Giants got a little bit better, we got a lot better. So I think we're really going to be competitive in our division, and then therefore in the NFC in general. But I'm excited for our season. Well, OBJ, back to the original question for me. He got to be the oldest 33-year-old I ever seen in my motherfucking life, yeah. It seemed like he's been around for like 200 years, right?

It does. I'm like, yeah, how old is OBJ? I had to look earlier. I'm like, nigger, only 33. It seemed like he had a long-ass career. It looked like he should seem like he's about, for real, like 39, and niggas just picking him up just because, like, yo, he's OBJ. Glory years with the Giants

A bunch of injuries, I will say, handed him throughout his career. Him going to the Giants. I guess the Civil Liners is what may say. You ain't got to do too much. I don't fucking know. Look, I have no faith in the Giants. Sorry, Nick.

No Cam Scatible. Nah, see, y'all going off the name, I never was Jacking. Yeah, he never liked that. Yeah. That was me. He has six good names, six good games. Niggins, because he white, he's like, niggas scat crazy.

Nah, bro. Nigger, nought, shit out for six games. Now, is he rugged? Is he rough? Does he have a lot of potential? Yeah, we've seen it from the six games he played, but how many wins did that equal out to? I just think that any sports organization,

football or basketball, and I'm not going to, and baseball for that matter, too, I'm not going to even include hockey. We got somebody white this eye, niggas go crazy. Women basketball, there's a matter. When you got a white player that's nice, niggas go crazy, man, nigga. Like, especially, like, don't get it fucked up,

but we're having an emergence of black quarterbacks over the last 10, 15 years or however long it's been. Because there's a primarily white position when me and Mace was growing up. So, you know, they actually used to say black niggas wasn't smart enough to play the position. like at one fucking time. Yeah, they wouldn't even put you in quarterback

your wide receiver. Like it was mad disrespectful, so to see all these black quarterbacks are really excited about that and black jobs opening up, so on and so forth. That's really dope. But when you got a white athlete that's a little bit decent, the thing is go crazy. The scatterboot joint, I'm not buying into it.

Did he look good the game he played? You look high, how many wins did it equal out to? That's what it really mattered. Did it equal out into wins? What the Giants won two games last season, Nick? Three? Oh, four. Two times two.

Two times two plus two. They won four games. So whatever, man. Like I said, I'm not really jacking the new hotness. And that's what Jackson Dart and Scatterboo is. Now, when the equals all to some wins, cool. But, you know, football, just like anything, it's not a lot of times you're going to come in and dominate any sport.

as soon as you get there. It just doesn't happen like that a lot. As a matter of fact, I don't know when it's ever happened besides a person like, and I'm talking about we gotta go back fucking 40-7 years, so when you got somebody like Magic Johnson to come right in and win. I don't know who comes right in,

pause, and wins being like a star or a superstar. It just doesn't happen. They're made and built over some time. Yeah, good points. Well, Rams, Giants, and Commanders fans, let us know how y'all are feeling about this season in the comments down below because y'all heard from the panel.

Everybody feels a little bit different ways about the teens, but we want to know what y'all are thinking. But Arabia, thanks for joining us. You know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Sorry. Good seeing, Arabia. Thank you so much for having me.

Yes, good saying you all too. Thank you. Okay, that's all the time that we have for today. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.