IT IS WHAT IT IS - WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PHOENIX SUNS THIS YEAR?! | S3 EP70

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

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Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. They'll also match your first deposit up to $100 and you get a special pick when you sign up. I when you sign up. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Killer, what's good, man? Carter, what up, man?

Chilling, man. How you, you all right? Yeah, man. What's going on? I see you back in studio, man. Yeah, yeah, you know, I had to come back to the town. Yeah, yeah, you know. I had to come back to the town. Yeah, you know, I was hearing you talk before we got on the show.

People don't like when we on the Zoom, you right, man. But they ought to realize we got some personal and some business going on. If we not in studio, believe me, it's not because of lack of not wanting to be there or laziness or anything of that nature. Um, you know, some things that get explained later, some things, it's just business. So yeah,

that, and that's good. Yeah. That's good for people to know. Cause they think we got so rich that we don't show up to do it. They said, I'm niggas getting too much money. Yeah.

The thing about it is that we had too much before we started. There's never no such thing getting too much money. Yeah, the thing about it is that we had too much before we started. There's never no such thing as too much money. I heard a nigga say, yo, I got too many shoes. I got too much clothes. You ever heard a nigga say, I got too much money? Nah. Yeah. I did hear a nigga say he got too many shoes,

but not too much money. I got too much this, too much that. You don't know to hear that one, man. Okay, well, we got to discuss Ja Morant. A Tennessee judge ruled that he acted in self-defense in an altercation where he punched a teenager. What did you guys think of that decision that was made so jaw wasn't the case that's that's good news killer jaw is not as violent as y'all

trying to make jaw out to be what do you think killer oh my goodness. Look, bro, I don't make the rules in the justice system, but I'll say this. Once you're innocent, you're innocent, you know? That's just that. In several different walks of life, not just pertaining to John Moran, you know, but it's about public perception as well because a lot of times, when our football analysts murder, this man has been acquitted.

30 years ago, some people look at him a certain way, but he's been acquitted. So when you're acquitted, you're acquitted. We did not make the justice system up. So when somebody, when it works for, and I won't get too deep in it, of course, but it's one of them situations, and I'm not talking about either side. When it works for your race,

it seems like the justice system is good. When you're not in that, when you're not beside of the race, you seem like niggas is getting over. So that's all I really got to say about it that's a great way to put it Kim because when somebody non-black gets acquitted they just say well he

wasn't convicted Mace and they want us to accept that but then when there's somebody black you're like oh but he's we know he did it all right so apply that that's what i was trying to say yeah apply that same kind of scrutiny to what you're doing now and i look at this situation with john morant because i don't even have to ask you but i'll ask you because we're on the air because we know what both of us would do if

somebody takes the ball and we're just checking the ball like we know what both of us would do if somebody takes the ball and we're just checking the ball like you know check up you know in a game and somebody take the ball back and throw that your face what was he supposed to do they're not playing for bunks balls right so if he throw the ball and they hit him in the face his next response is gonna be a punch that's that's just that's self-defense and i think that you know the court saw it that way they saw it like even though you're trying to base this whole narrative about who he is with that action alone isolated if somebody throw the ball in your face like a baseball style pass then that's why he responded that way and he wasn't

going to change that because the guy was 17 years old he should know better than to do that now he's 18 years old but he found out you know know, they have that chart. The more you mess around, the more you're going to find out. To the course, he found out. Yeah, and I'm not saying that John Moran is the same size or the same weight or anything else. But kids are strong. We've seen a teenager had a fight with cat

williams seemed like he kind of won you know i'm saying oh yeah you can't understand yeah you can't understand make these kids strength power now i'm not saying go rag a nine or ten eleven year old out once you're over 15 16 you know what you're doing so congratulations congratulations job and winning the case and uh that's one of them situations where you can take this off my jacket right now because you know a lot of shit is pinned to his jacket yeah as far as off the court activities so this is one thing you could take off his jacket so i'm happy for him yeah it seemed like them guys in carolina is standing on business so if you want to have an issue don't do it with them guys from carolina now we see cam newton we see um john morant these north carolina is not a good place to do this um

it's what it is it's it a North Carolina thing? Or a Carolina? I thought, yeah, John from South Carolina. I thought Kim was from Atlanta. Yeah, he's from Atlanta, but he played for the Panthers, so I was grouping them in there with them. Pause. I got you. Got you.

Okay. And then other news, Isaiah Thomas got signed to the suns for the rest of this season what do you guys think about his addition to the team i'm happy i i called this i did call it i did call this i'm happy for him but for that amount of money We could have signed Isaiah Thomas Killer I could have signed Isaiah Thomas I'm going to start my NBA team This how much we got to pay

How much they paid him I don't know $110,000 guaranteed Yeah I don't know the taxes in Phoenix or anything like that, but I guess they figure I guess they figure that it's really almost, we don't really even

know how long Phoenix got. Playing the way they playing. They lost last night to the Clippers. These niggas is a game or two from going home. Which was preposterous at the beginning of the season, looking at the roster. And for them to be in the position that they are right now,

Pores, it's crazy. So you definitely called this. I definitely did not call this. I didn't see this coming, Pores. That doesn't mean I'm not happy for Isaiah Thomas getting the job. To me, this isn't about Isaiah Thomas. It's more about where the Phoenix Suns

organization is mentally right now as far as their roster is concerned. To bring Isaiah in this late in the season, you barely give him any minutes. To me, this seems like it's beef between general management,

which acquires the players and the coach, because the coach hasn't been getting them into a rotation at all. The coach may not be 100% with this. And the general manager's like, well, make it work. But it's still up to the coach to make it work. To me, it seems like it's dysfunction. You know, it's a, well, make it work. But it's still up to coach to make it work. To me, it seems like it's dysfunction. You know, it's a new coach, a new owner. A lot of people don't know that because they didn't do it like homeboy from the Clippers. It was ostracized.

It was real loud when he said the racial shit about Magic Johnson. And everybody knew he got kicked out. For a lot of people that don't know, the owner from the Phoenix Suns said some racial shit on email. He got caught about it, and Adam Silver gave him a certain amount of time to sell the team and get out of the business. It wasn't really that loud. So it's a fairly new owner.

I believe he's had the team a little over a year now, a new coach, getting things in order. And right now, I just don't like where they're at chemistry well i don't want to say mentally because i don't really know i'm not i'm not gonna put it that they're not mentally there together but chemistry wise it seems like everybody's not on the same page not just on the court off the court as well but i am happy for athomas congratulations okay and then a little side note. So the search for who leaked the Draymond and Jordan Poole footage is still ongoing.

And the Warriors still never found out who leaked it. So what do you guys think about the continued search? And then if you have a set in stone answer of who you think leaked that footage based off of just what you guys think may have happened. They said they never found the guy yeah you know when they never really found it's i think the same thing in hip-hop like i don't want to say it on the show but when you don't ever find the guys because you're the guy is is that simple it's like why

we never find a person if you know so much about the situation. Right. It makes no sense that we're sitting here talking about who had the tape, who made the tape. If you run in that kind of organization, you really want me to believe that a tape of somebody. believe that a tape of somebody get leaks that two of your star players are in and nobody can find out who that person is, number one, it would be like a video coming up about you and you were there. You remember who was there. You know in order to get pause that angle of footage where it was coming from. Right. So if I'm used to that gym and I can look at the angle, I know it came from over here. And then I then I can see if that's the trainer. I would know if that's the team guy, whoever it is. It would it would be obvious to me where that tape came from.

would be obvious to me where that tape came from. And let's say you got multiples of people who are filming. There's only one person that's normally responsible for it and everybody works under that person. So somebody is on the hanger for this. So to act like we don't know who it's come from, especially when it caused such a debacle with that great organization, I don't buy it at all. I'm not going to buy it. And there's nothing going to change about me in buying that for a long time. I know it came from within. We know it came from the team. And they're lying to themselves because I'm not even going to participate in that foolishness. I know it came from the team and they know who it came from. I don't like when people do stuff like that. Yeah, to me it's more like Mason summed that up very well.

I don't really have any more to add to that. But as far as for me, it's more like why is niggas still looking for the tape? To me, it's like pouring alcohol on an open wound. Like, okay, you found the tape.

We found out who did it. What's gonna happen? Jordan Poole gonna run down on them? Draymond Dean gonna run down on them? Like, I don't understand why the search is still going on. Like, it isn't a body. It isn't the first 48. It isn't one of those situations where once you find a person, something physically is going to happen to them that I'm aware of,

that I think, in my opinion, I can't say it is or isn't, but I don't think anything physically, any physical harms coming their way. What are we looking for the tape for? I don't get it. They're basically saying they got a mole in their camp.

That's what they're basically trying to say. Yeah, but the thing about it is this, is what you kind of just said. If nobody wants to tell them who the mole is, everybody got to go. That's not important. Concession, popcorn. That's how you find out if you really want to find out. You start bleeding niggas out. You start putting everybody'sas out. You start

putting everybody's job at risk. That was crazy. You start fucking with people. Start bleeding niggas out is crazy. I don't know if I've heard anything that crazy.

Yo, Statt. Yes. Statt. Yes. One of Mesa's favorite. Statt, Statt, Statt. One of Mesa's little answer questions. Statt, was that crazy or not? One of Mesa's most favorite.

Statt, before he moves on. Bleeding nigga out. I think that's reaching. Go ahead, go ahead. Bleeding nigga out is crazy. That's crazy. That's reaching. That's nigga out is crazy. That's crazy. That's reaching. That's Patrick Bentley.

Oh, my goodness. You are super reaching right now. Bleeding? What is bleeding nigga out? You want some other shit. I don't know what you're buying. That's crazy. You said we were going to start bleeding niggas out.

Maybe you don't know what I mean But I'm pretty sure I don't know what I have to do with anything I don't know I'm just trying to figure out I think you don't even know Look at Nick Look at Nick Put it on Nick

Bleed niggas out. Yeah. Just go ahead, Kelly. For those who are watching, Nick said no. Nick says a no-go. For those who are watching, right now, I want you to comment right now in the comments, was that crazy? And then we'll come back tomorrow and let you know what they said.

Go ahead, Seth. No, we could do it live right now while we on the show, while the show's playing right now. We could go in the comments. They'll comment while the show is on. All right. Now, let me ask you this, Seth and Nick. This is Mason saying that's crazy.

I've been doing my best, of course. One of Mason's most famous lines ever in rap history and it's a famous line of punk's mad rappers nigga Mason I don't know if y'all see my nigga out there if he's even there today but my nigga Kuda you know that's our nigga

Mason Kuda schooled me to the game now I know my duty stay low stay glow, blow like Hootie. What? Blow like Hootie? And what the cool to school you to? Cool to school you to the game, now you know your duty. Blow like Hootie. Is that crazy, Steph? Is that crazy is that crazy it sounds crazy but I feel like that can get a little

past you Nick blow like hootie kuda school me to the game now know my duty blow like Hootie. Here you go. Look at him scroll.

I can't scroll. You feel in devolution. I ain't got no nose to knife. I ain't got no notes or nothing I ain't got no phone I ain't got no life Dad I know you I don't know you I don't know you struggling

I don't know you struggling I get murdered I ain't done it in my mental catalog I got about 6-7 rounds I ain't That song is crazy Who not Tell me who rock

Who saw it on the store Who drop the blue drop Nigga drop You going crazy on that joint You going crazy Towards the end of the verse You going wild Nigga that bounce was wild

You was bouncing Tell me who rocked the blue drop. These girls got rocked. Two folks, they dozed down to the two side. Same old pimp. May say nothing changed by my lap. Same thing. You was going to, nigga.

Say, cool the Scooby to the gate. That's it. All that getting passed. Because it's a good song. That's it. All that getting pass Cause it's a good song Like That's it All I get to pass Nigga that song

She's Jacksonville now That song is fire nigga Yeah She's Jacksonville Now I'm Jacksonville Yeah she's Jacksonville She back She back

She back on the team now Murder was going crazy Yo Murder You brought it up A little while ago Let me ask you something, man. Yeah. Before I wrap up my point on this question

and before I forget, the whole Boonx movement was paused, right? We didn't know it was. That was crazy. Yeah. That was definitely crazy. Yeah, Boonx was wild, bro. Boonx was like, wild, my nigga. Yeah, Bunk's was wild, bro. Bunk's was like, wow, my nigga.

Yeah, so to think he threw the ball, paused at his face like that is crazy. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Bunk's was just, I'm sitting back thinking about Bunk's pause like that. That shit was the biggest pause ever. Anyway, my bad. Sorry about this. Bleeding niggas out, pause, just

in case for me, pause. When I say that, I was trying to say realistically that what happens is this, pause again, when you put the squeeze on people, when you put the squeeze on a nigga who mopped the floors, who needs that people, when you put the squeeze on a nigga who mopped the floors, who needs that job, when you put the squeeze on a nigga who works the soda stand, who ain't even near that early for practice,

when you put the squeeze on somebody who may clean the arena, that everybody's job is at stake, they're going to step to the nigga and say, you got to say something. Now we're risking our jobs. We ain't even have nothing to do with this. Or I'm telling. If you start threatening other people at that level, the same job level or lower, you'll get an answer. Me personally, I don't really care who put the tape out anymore.

Niggas done got traded. New players done came in. Contracts is up. All type of other shit happened. Now don't get it fucked up. Mace made a great point. It was very, very big and devious what happened putting that tape out. And it fucked up a lot of chemistry that they may have had,

whether they liked each other or not. But playing wise on the team, I think that situation personally could have got fixed if that tape never got out. Yeah. I'm not saying Jordan Poole is one of them niggas that is just going to let a nigga punch him in his face and go to work every day. I don't know him that well, but the embarrassment of the tape getting

out escalated that situation. And that way, when it comes, now it's just like, you got to deal with it. Think about this. We are literally three games away from the playoffs starting on next week. I believe Sunday is the last day of the regular season.

And we're talking about we're looking for the nigga. Who had the tape. Who took the tape out. Yeah, the season is almost over, and this is still a topic. Bleeding niggas out, pause. Yeah, I think when it comes to this tape, this tape is like, pause, it's like a relationship. When somebody go through something but the public don't know about it,

it makes it easier to recover, like you said. But once that tape is out, it's a whole different situation because you got to answer things to the public that you didn't have to answer. And it broke a lot of trust on this team. That's really what it did because if you don't locate where that came from, it's broken trust and you never win with broken trust on a team. Just out of curiosity, do you guys feel like things went downhill since that tape was leaked for the Warriors?

Yes, that's what I'm basically saying. Everything went on a constant decline for that team because now Jordan Poole got to prove he's a tough guy. Draymond Green had to prove that he's not a problem. And think of how much wrong came out of Draymond Paws after that, right? Now we got this whole super tough Draymond, not that he wasn't a tough player or a great player, but all of the headlocks, all of that has been a constant thing that happened after that one incident.

And Jordan Poole hasn't been the same since, right? Yeah, he hasn't. Constant decline. What you think, Killer? You asked about if it's a decline for the Warriors or just everybody's staff. I'm just making sure I answered the question right. The Warriors as a whole, like ever since that tape leaked,

do you feel like it's just been a constant decline? So, Max, why are you talking about Jordan Poole? Because at that time, he was a part of that team, so I'm even showing how it lingered on. Even he's in the Wizards now. He still ain't

been balling since that tape, you know? It's not like he went and got a fresh start and started balling again. That tape until he do something, that tape is still over his head. Yeah. I mean, the Warriors are held to high expectations, so it's going to look like it's a decline. And we're expecting them to be top five every year in the Western Conference

just because of their status. But to me personally, me personally, trying to think how to put it without trying to say it didn't hurt them, because it definitely did. They had good chemistry with Jordan Poole. But a lot is expected from the Golden State Warriors, and when they have an offseason, we're all, myself included, is wondering, yo, niggas got to trade Klay.

Yo, Draymond might be moving. Steph can't take it anymore. Yo, this is fucked up, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. And they're still in the playing in a bad season, and we act like they've been on such a decline forever. They won the championship the year before last. Now, don't get me wrong. Jordan Poole was a big part of winning that championship.

But what that tells you is if Clay gets himself together like he's been balling the last week or so, they're another young piece away from being right where they're at. Because Draymond and Steph, when Draymond's available, and Steph is still doing what they're doing, the lack is Jordan Poole not being there to come off the bench and Klay Thompson not playing like Klay Thompson. But it isn't like the Warriors haven't won a championship in 15 years

and you got to break this team up. And look, I'm included in that. I'm included in that. Yo, Klay might got to go to New York. Klay might got to go to Orlando. I've been saying it along with Murda and not just me and Murda. A lot of people are saying that. But goddamn, can they get one or two more years?

Nigga, they might not. It's Golden State. We can't wait two more years. We need to know what's going on now. And what happens is sometimes you sit there and divide a team up or trade somebody somewhere else or let players go, and it's just a bad season. And you may come back next season to rejuvenate yourself,

and then what happens is you don't have them same pieces together, and now you're worse off than you was the year before. Now instead of 10th place, you're in 13th place for trying to bust a move to do something real quick. Me personally, I've been thinking about this because, like I said, I've been on that boat. Clay ain't been playing good. Pause.

Chris Paul ain't a great addition. And to me, it's looking like the weight of the Warriors are playing in the last week and week and a half, even with Chris Paul off the bench, Chris Paul's almost ending games now. You know, he gets in the middle or end of the third quarter and he's playing the rest of the game, giving stuff a rest off the bench, so on and so forth. I know we're going to talk about the game later between them and the Lakers, but I'm not ready to break this team up this year like everybody else is. If they didn't win a championship in four or five years or something like that, sorry, Murdoch, maybe, but God damn, they just won the year before last. When did the Lakers win last?

And people talk about it, but they're not as quick to talk about getting rid of Anthony Davis as quick as they talk about getting rid of Clay Thompson and Draymond Green. They actually just gave Anthony Davis a contract extension earlier this season. So it's like, bro, the Warriors won more recently than the Lakers did. Why everybody want to move them so quick? Sorry, Murdoch, you want to ask me something?

Yeah, I was going to speak to you and stat as gms like if you're a gm how much longer do you give this if they don't let's say they don't make the playoffs this year how much more time do you give them because and the reason why i'm asking this is because if you wait another year let's say Denver wins two, there's a new dynasty on that side of basketball. So how long do you give it? A year? Two years? How many? Well, I would say maybe even a year at that.

Me personally, me personally, my best saying, you can go ahead, I didn't hear you. No, I was just saying, I wouldn't give them that long because I just don't feel like we have time to be wasted. It's either we're seeing how the results are playing out right now. If we don't see some major changes, then it's time to break things up. Like the players are only getting older.

So it's something that I'm... Players are only getting older. So it's something that I would worry about because it's not like we have a super, super young team on the Warriors. So if it were me, I'd be like, look, we're going to give it about a year. Things don't start to change. We got to call it clips. But Cam, what do you think?

His status from Jacksonville. I like that. Today I'm from Jacksonville. I got Jack's energy today. I would probably give it the most one more year because that made a great point. Everybody is getting older. It's not like they're in their 20s. Everybody, all the prime players are in their 30s.

But I would definitely give it one more year. The problem is that Klay's contract is up, and Klay is going to want a decent contract. I already know he expressed taking less money to stay with the Warriors, but it needs to be significant for Clay at the end of the day. Like Stat said, he's getting younger. If he doesn't sign a long-term deal,

or rather if he does, this could potentially be Clay's last contract, depending on how bad he gets. If he signs a four or five-year deal, I think Clay is 33. He'll be 37, 38 years old. So I would definitely give it one more year. But as far as the Denver Nuggets, for me personally,

and the opinion varies, for me to be a dynasty, you got to win at least three. you got to win at least three. And the Denver Nuggets, to me, 100% on that, on the way to doing that. We don't see the dominance that they're showing when the Joker wants to do what he wants, when Jamal Murray's healthy. And this is all dependent on a healthy Denver Nuggets, not Jamal Murray being hurt like he's been hurt the last month or two. Yeah.

But they're on their way. Oh, yeah. At least, yeah, me personally. But I'm just saying in general, yeah, it's time. People may say, yo, it's time to figure it out and cut the team off or whatever Stat just said to that nature. I get what she's saying and i i kind of agree with her as well how long would you give him mace um i would i would give them

actually one more season but that will be the max because realistically i think in good favor you do this deal for clay thompson just because of the history right now to me as a GM. I want that history of knowing that I did play as well. So I would give him the, I would try to get him as close as possible to what he's looking for, for the, just for the morale of the team. But when I think of OKC, not just Denver, OKC we're looking at at and we're looking at a young, a very young Minnesota team so that the West is on the rise for for teams that shows that they could probably be dominant in the future. And I don't want to be that far behind because L.A. is a great place to go, so they will have a great time rebuilding.

But then right after L.A. is Golden State, and I wouldn't want to go from being at the top of the hill to being like the top five teams. I wouldn't want to do that with Golden State because they can get ahead of this curve pause by figuring out who they would trade. But that would be another question. If it comes down to who you got to move first, who would you move first? Would it be Draymond or would it be Klay?

That's a whole – we probably have to deal with that tomorrow. That's another good question. Yeah, that's a great point. A great point not to mention we can't forget about Memphis when Ja comes back. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even think about Ja. You're absolutely right. When Ja gets back, that's another team out west,

and the west is getting younger, pause, and stronger. Yeah. The reason I'm bringing it up is because, you know, at this very moment, and we don't know because the playing is coming in and the playoffs, we still have yet to determine. But at the beginning, and I don't remember what Mace picked, but I was like, I'm not sure if Denver is going to be able to even beat Phoenix because Phoenix was looking good on paper before this before the season started like oh nah niggas gonna throw Bradley Bill yeah you're right already that this look crazy negative then they got Eric Gordon then they got the white boy from Milwaukee it was like oh nah but then it's not working then they was better last season at least in the regular season,

than they were this season. So I'm totally agreeing with you guys, but I'm just saying, sometimes it's going to get trades and players that's free agents. On paper, it looks good, but it has to equal out on the floor. Yeah, and you make an excellent point because when it comes to Phoenix, I think we all have Phoenix at the top of the West. Like, you can't go against them with Bradley Bill. And the same thing, man.

You can always pinpoint it back to one play. And I think the play was when – who was that? With the cornrows from the Clippers? What team are you talking about? Kawhi Leonard? Kawhi Leonard? No. When Harden whispered to his girl.

That was the play. I still remember that as the play. That was the turning point for the Suns. They ain't never been the same since then. Okay, y'all. So we're going to go to break and when we return, we will discuss the Bucks

versus Celtics game. Don't go anywhere. She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't know What's happening, me won't fall problem big She tired of hearing I don't know What's happening to me won't flow Dealing with this thing called trust

But she really thinking bout us She wanna be free Why am I in this one way She wanna be free Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Hawks will play the Hornets. Underdog fantasy has Miles Bridges at 22 and a half points. Is that a higher or lower, Mace? Lower. I'm going to go higher.

Okay. Brandon Miller is at 18.5 points. Do you have them higher or lower, Cam? Lower. Higher. Okay. And Jalen Johnson is at 8.5 rebounds do you have him higher or lower Jalen Johnson Hawks

I don't know I'm going to go lower lower as well download the underdog fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So I know you were having a discussion off camera that I thought was very interesting. What would you like to share? Who is Johnson before?

He's on the Hawks. Is he good? Yeah. I mean, he's younger. So that might be why not. But yeah, I think he's good. All right. Shout out to Johnson.

I'm not even knowing him. I just don't know him. So that's why I went. Okay. So, yeah, Killa and I was talking about the Suns, and I was thinking about this. I still remember that moment. Like, I'm not blaming it on that,

but I remember that as being a turning point for that team with the Suns. It just seemed like ever since that time when they played the Clippers or whatever that was that I don't remember the Suns playing good again. And at the beginning of the season, I think we all had the Suns at the top of the hill other than Denver. And we was expecting them to be playing Denver to come out of the West. And now it seems like they're in a play in at best. And that's just not cool.

It's really not. What do you think, Kilo, about this? This Suns team, do you think they're underachieving? I'm not going to say for the reasons you're saying, but definitely. Look, I just said that before we went to break. Like, excuse me, before the season started, I thought it was going to be neck and neck with Denver Poors on that. Denver and the Phoenix Suns.

I said, Bradley Beal? Like Bradley Beal to that, because we went to a game last year. You know, it just looked like Denver just wanted it more than the rest of the NBA. But what I'm saying is like, I was thinking, damn, this would be dope because Bradley Beal been the man. saying this, I was thinking, damn, this would be dope because Bradley Bill been the man. Bradley Bill has 60-point nights a couple times, a few times. So this was, I said, this might be a layup for him because as well as we see

James Harden adapt to whatever team he goes to, James Harden, he plays well on OKC. He plays, he's the man on Houston. He goes to Brooklyn for a few minutes, does what he has to do there. When he gets to Philadelphia, he's the assist leader. None of these are translating into championships, but I'm just saying, he's one of them players that make it seem like it's super easy

to just go to a team and fit in for us. And it's just not the case for everybody. And Bradley Beal started off the season hurt, been hurt a few times during the season. I don't even know if it's 25 games, all three of them played together yet this season. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure. Talking about Bradley Beal, Devin Booker and Kevin Durant so um underachieving yeah absolutely absolutely from what I thought at the beginning of the season absolutely that is a great word to use underachievement. Yeah because this seemed like it

was a foregone conclusion that the Suns were going to be unstoppable with these three on a perimeter. So, you know, with basketball, a lot of times when things happen on the NBA team, people say they're hurt, people say all kinds of things. And I'm not here to speculate, but I know the NBA has an amazing way of covering up problems. I remember we was talking about one of the players from the Wizards that just, not the Wizards, the Warriors that kept going home. And we didn't know what it was, but this person just kept not being available to play. And when you look at this Suns team, they better win.

They better win because I think it starts putting too much pressure on Kevin Durant. Like, how many pieces do you need on a team to get some wins? They got to get some wins, for real. We didn't even mention Bo Ball. They got too much talent on that team to be in a play-in. Yeah, and at the end of the day, you know, KD's my guy. And he got a few years left when we sit there and think about it. Like,

KD's 35, man. He's 35 years old. So, they window is short with Kevin Durant. I'm not saying KD can't play. I'm not retiring him early or anything. I'm just talking about from the past what we've been seeing. You know,

LeBron James is taking it to new precedents as far as age is concerned. But, you know, a lot of players that me and Mace looked up to when we grew up, you know, because of nutrition, because of science, because of medicine, et cetera, players are having longevity. But, you know, Isaiah Thomas, one of our favorites, not the one on Phoenix, he retired at 33 years old. A lot of players were retiring at 34,

33, 32, 35 years old. So at the end of the day, it's phenomenal what these players are still doing at their age, but it's got to be a cap sooner than later. Yeah. Okay, so now let's discuss the Bucs

versus the Celtics. So the Bucs beat the Celtics 104-91. This game had the lowest free throw attempts, which was two, since 1983. And Boston became the first team in NBA history to attempt zero free throws in a game.

So one, what do you guys think about that stat? And then two, what do you guys think about both teams overall right now, the Celtics and the Bucs? Well, to have no free throws is either the refs or nobody's playing defense. This is what this screams to me, that there really wasn't no defense because there's absolutely no way with that kind of talent that when you think of that they're not getting calls or there being any fouls because you think of Jalen Brown, you think of Tatum,

these are people who slash and go to the basket. So if they're slashing and going to the basket, they're not getting any fouls. And Giannis was out of the game with a calf injury. So that's even more why Jalen will be attacking the basket. And I think they're not getting any calls. This is crazy. This is absolutely, it makes no sense. It screams out no defense.

If I was a coach, that's what I would be saying. How is it that nobody went to the free throw line? Are we letting everybody just get layups if they beat us off the dribble? Nah, we're sending them to the line. And I'm looking at it right now. This is, he only had one free throw. Giannis only had one. He had one of the free throws.

Yeah, because there's two. Yeah, this is either bad refereeing or no defense. I'm going to go with I'm going to go with the refs have something to do with this because if it was on one end of the floor I would be jacking it of course but

one team shoot one free throw a piece that's one of them since the refs was like nah y'all said let them play right let them play that's what y'all said let them play, right? Yeah, let them play. That's what y'all told us. No, y'all said let them play, right?

Now, Boston who lost this game, I know they're going to sit there and have a problem with this and say, go show the league office a bunch of videotapes, et cetera. go show the league office a bunch of videotapes etc and i really don't know what to say because you know i didn't i didn't see this game i was watching a couple other games but this is one of the games i missed yeah i know you missed this because pat bev had 20 and 10 10. Oh. Oh. Pat must have got some ass last night. Yeah. Pat Bev had 20 and 10 and they won by like 40. No, they won by 13. I'm bugging.

But Pat Bev had 20 and 10. Yeah, this was his night of the season. Pat get a few of them nights a year. So I'm sorry to Pat, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I was saving that. I was saving that.

You know, Pat had 20 and 10. I ain't going to front. I'm going to have to really watch the game. I think the biggest thing out of this whole situation is worrying about Giannis because when Giannis got hurt, nobody was near him. He's walking up the court and he fell. And I know they're saying this calf, but that Achilles, that was one of them no one knows.

It wasn't a basketball player, nothing. He was walking up the court and just fell on the floor. That just happened to sin. I've just seen that live action. So he's going to get his calf tested tomorrow, but his Achilles also. And if it's Achilles, oh my God. This is the most,

this could be nothing worse for the Milwaukee Bucks. This is the most, this would be the worst time. And I know Damian Lillard would be sick. And this is the first time they started

Pat Beth. Yeah, Pat's going to be like, see? Yeah. I need to be started. Yeah. Yeah, Packer I'm going to be like, see? Yeah, I need to be started This is what happens when I start This is what happens when I start So now let's discuss the Warriors versus the Lakers. The Warriors beat the Lakers 134 to 120

So one, what do you guys think of the Warriors win and then who should be more worried, the Lakers or the Warriors? I'm going to let Killer go first. These are both for his team. The numbers look great just by first glance. The numbers look great for the Golden State. Be worried about what?

Like who should be more worried? Like who do you think has a better core right now, the Lakers or the Warriors? I would say the Lakers, but the way the Warriors have been playing the last week or so, Klay looked like he caught some rhythm. And I know one game he missed a buzzer beater, but looking at the

I've seen like three full games in the last week and a half for Klay Thompson and he looks good and that's the difference and you can tell that's the difference on the Golden State Warriors when Klay does good the Golden State Warriors do good like tonight you

know it's just so fucked up because we barely can like judge it because i watched the game lebron just went bully on like i'm sick of this i'm gonna just show i'm stronger than and bully most of his 33 points that he had but anthony davis didn't play he said he was nauseous i had a fever He said he was nauseous and had a fever. So he didn't play. How are we going to get engaged on any of this shit if niggas don't be playing?

So if you say more worry, I'm going to say more worry. The Lakers. Because for the Lakers, if Anthony Davis isn't playing because he's nauseous. Yeah, the tapeworm. Pause. Yeah, like, bruh. You know, I just feel bad for LeBron because the inconsistency around him is ridiculous. The inconsistency around Steph Curry this season is ridiculous.

So if I had to pick, I'm worried for both of them, both organizations, but if I had to pick one, I would say the Lakers. Yeah, and I mean, thinking about it, I'm worried about the Lakers, but the rate that LeBron is playing at is nothing short of phenomenal, for real. To think at 40 years old, he's getting 33-11-7. That's crazy. No, for real. To think at 40 years old, he's getting 33, 11, and 7. That's crazy. No, for real. Thinking about the people who are 40.

These niggas who can't get 40 in their 20s. But he's getting 33, 11, and 7 at this age is amazing. Okay. And then the Clippers beat the Suns 105 to 92. at this age is amazing. Okay. And then the Clippers beat the Suns 105-92. This was without James Harden and Kawhi Leonard. What do you guys think about the Clippers season so far, one? And then how are we feeling about the Suns? Well, we kind of said what we're thinking about the Suns.

But when I think about the Clippers, if they're winning without Kawhi and James Harden, I mean, this just lets you know there's a real GOAT on the team, Paul George. That's all this is telling us. This theme of GOAT is creeping up on us, for real. The thing that he beat them by himself is is is a good sign it's a great sign um i think they're doing their classical low management or what is it called is it pause low or load load oh my goodness but they're definitely they're definitely work working at to make sure that they they're rested for when it's time to play.

And I hope it works out for them because it would be an amazing thing to see the Clippers win if they can go to at least the Western Finals. I don't think they're going past that, but it would be good to see them there. Yeah, as far as – well, I'll talk about uh phoenix in a minute but this more to me is about russell westbrook because paul george definitely didn't do this by himself russell westbrook had 16 points 15 rebounds and 15 assists so russell's just reminding us us, don't act like I don't average a triple-double when I start and when it's just me and one other nigger. I'm playing my position.

I'm really just playing my position. But when it's only one superstar available, this is what I do. 16, 15, and 15 on the Suns, and then you already know how you feel about KD. This goes to show that the Clippers have a lot of weapons, and 15 on the Suns, and then you already know how you feel about KD. This goes to show that the Clippers have a lot of weapons,

and they just have to be used right. Yeah. If they're used right when Kawhi and James Harden come back, they can be really dangerous because this is nothing short of amazing. Of course, the GOAT, you're right. Paul George did his thing, but 16, 15, and 15. Come on. Yeah, that's nuts. They're beasts and stuff.

It's because he's playing against KD, though. He always go crazy against KD. He hates KD. Yeah, so that was phenomenal. But, yeah, this is very, very concerning, very, very concerning for the Phoenix Suns. And the reason I say that is because they are in a fight to stay in the playoffs and not to play in. They're in a fight right now.

So every game counts. They can't afford to lose games because they are going to be in the play-in. And that's just the way it is. So this worries me about their organization like we were talking about earlier. We sat there yesterday. They were in the playoffs. They lose tonight. They're not in the playoffs.

They're in the play-in. So with them knowing that, we know that. So you know they know that. With them knowing that and they're not winning the games, something's going on. And I don't know what, I can't put my finger on it. I have no idea. But at the end of the day, Phoenix losing games

and you're in the playoffs one day and the playoffs and you're not the next, this speaks loudly. This is a game you go and saying, okay, Kawhi isn't playing. James Harden isn't playing. We need this W. And you don't get it. I don't know what's going on over there. Do you think that, because this is what I'm thinking when I'm looking at them,

Do you think that, because this is what I'm thinking when I'm looking at them, it seems like people are losing or winning to try to escape playing Denver. It's like people trying to work around that. See, the thing, I would agree with you, Murdo, on that. But the whole problem is, I would agree with you on that, but the whole problem is you don't know who's getting the one, two, and three seed right now. That's a fight right now. This is going down to the – like this – for the people that's not paying

attention to the NBA that does like the NBA, this is really thrilling and really dope what's happening towards the end of the season because right now, we don't know who's going to finish to get in the playoffs in that Western Conference. And we don't know who's going to finish one, two, or three. It could be Denver. It could be Minnesota. It could be OKC. But right now, to your logic, Mason, I would agree with you.

But you sit there and be like, all right alright I'm trying to avoid the one seed and fuck around Denver end up in the three seed and then you still got to play them yeah I think honestly it definitely looks like that's what people are doing because they probably are thinking well we'll have a

better chance of being OKC than we'll have being Denver and I think people are starting to zoom in on that or looking at the health of Minnesota and saying maybe we prefer to play them if somebody is not healthy on that team and people are acting accordingly. I would be a novice to think that people don't pay attention to that. I know they're definitely looking into that. To be looking at a season thinking you're going to be in the finals and the person you think you're playing in the finals, you end up playing the first round is crazy. Conference finals. Yeah, conference finals.

I apologize. Yeah. No, I'm just letting the audience know. But, yeah, and if you think you're ducking Minnesota, Carl Anthony Towns just got cleared for full contact practice, which means he's going to be there for the playoffs. So if you're thinking they're not going to get stronger, definitely inside pause. I think Minnesota, to me, may have the best chance at Denver currently.

I have to see how they answer the bell in the first round of playoffs, how they look, if they look strong, if they look nervous, if they look like a new group. I want to see them in the first round of playoffs. But we all know that nobody can fuck with the Joker, but you got two niggas. Yeah, they could double team. You got the 2024 version of the Twin Towers.

And before anybody go crazy on some 9-11 shit, before 9-11, the King and the Lion were on the Ralph Sampson. Ralph Sampson. And they used to be called the Twin Towers, so that's what I'm referring to. Ralph Sampson was like 7'4", and Akeem was 7 feet. But essentially, you have a new version of that. And I don't know if that's going to be enough to stop Denver, but shit, if you're talking about big men,

that's the best option you have on the West Coast right now. Yeah, I think that team, if Mike Conley plays well, that's a hard team to beat because they got two, they got a solid player in every position. So if Mike Conley come to play, that's a team I could see them changing that program around.

And then I also got to ask concerning the game. So in the Clippers versus Suns game, in the first quarter with a minute 55 left, the score was Clippers 35, Suns 4. So the Suns only scored four points in like first couple minutes. What do you guys think of the lack of scoring when you have KD and Devin Booker actually playing in the game? All I think is weed is legal. That's the first thing that came to my mind. Weed must be legal.

You can get a contact, you know. If something is going on in Phoenix we don't know yet, then it's not good. I don't know where it's coming from. I wish them well. They got a lot of my favorite players on that team, but I have to be honest. Something is going on that we don't know about,

and I'm not going to be surprised when it come out because that's the only way you can justify what's going on with this much talent being on one team. You got Katie, you got Booker, you got Eric Gordon, you got Bo Ball, you got Bradley Bill, you got Isaiah Thomas. The list goes on. The list goes on. There's something going on with that team. Because it's not just they didn't begin to gel yet because you would see sparks of it. It's like they're really underachieving because you don't see the determination yet. Like, we're going to turn it on when we get there.

I don't even see that. It's like, whatever. Yeah, I'm glad you pointed that stat out, stat, because I didn't know that. To me, them niggas may have mentally checked out. Yeah. Pardon me. They may have mentally

checked out. If you're getting down 35-4 in the first quarter, you may have mentally checked out this season. Mace is right. I don't know what's going on and what's happening behind the scenes. And if something does come out, he's right. I wouldn't be surprised either. But this is something that spells – this is mental. This has nothing to do with basketball skill.

When you let somebody get up 35 to four in the NBA, you mentally checked out. So it may be the locker room, maybe a nigga fucking nigga bitch, and maybe somebody said something behind somebody's back that they found out about. But mentally, it sounds like they're not on the same page. You don't get down like 35 to four. And what I would like to know is how many timeouts was called in that run.

Did Frank Vogel second and be like, you know what, we're out. Hold up. And then when it was 20 to two, did you call a timeout? When it was 28 to three or four, did you call a timeout? How long did you wait to call timeout? Or did you just let it ride out? Like, if I didn't see this game, I'd just see highlights. But just to know that, it seems like they mentally checked out.

I'm not sure. Just my opinion. Yeah, this seems like a team that even one of our colleagues, Mark Jackson, would be great at coaching. He would do great at coaching that team. Frank Vogel, I don't know. I don't think that's the right fit. Pause.

I'm going to go on a record right now because I wouldn't put him on that team. That was the wrong team to be coaching. When you get those kind of players You need somebody that can structure offense And somebody that's going to come in That they're going to want to play for And they're going to want to win for Playing for a coach is different than winning for a coach

And not every coach can motivate you to want to win for him You know Not every coach can motivate you to want to win for him, you know? And then just so you guys know what the discussions are right now, people are saying, if you guys remember how the solar eclipse just passed a few days ago, maybe like one or two, saying since the solar eclipse happened, the sun's have been falling off. So like, I don't know. I don't know. People truly are like alright

it was a joke at first but like ever since the sun started sunning the suns have not been sunning so and the net is undefeated since the eclipse what is being said but on that note

that is all the time that we have for today thanks for watching and as always it is what it is peace peace peace

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