IT IS WHAT IT IS - WHAT'S THE CRITERIA FOR SOMEBODY TO BE THE G.O.A.T & MAVERICKS TIE THE SERIES! | S4 EP15

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

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It's a reunion, hello y'all Uh I was selling crack on a private jet, I've been to hell and back But no confusion, it's a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Your murder here, he counting money He said, can't man, the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches

Welcome ass, I bought jewelry And bikes, nigga, black Benz's And white Vigas, now I'm out here And I'm looking for more chandeliers And light fixtures, nah I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? I'm a high nigga, but this 44 Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players.

Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. They'll also match your first deposit up to $100, and you get a special pick when you sign up. I'm Treja Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your hosts Mace, Cam, and today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Mo, what's up? Killer was good, man. What's up, family? How y'all doing?

I'm good, man. Good, man. Good to see you. Yo, Mo, let me ask you a question. You see everybody? Yeah. Is Mace's hat a pause? Look, it says he a vacation bag.

Yo, that's wild. Or say he a vacation bae. Yo, that's wild. Yo, you a vacation bae? You told us, actually, Moe, here's a thing. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's kind of wild. You a vacation bag?

This is how you start. Start this show. I just seen it. I was actually mowing his opinion. I can't see what it says underneath, boys. I didn't know what else. What does it say, Seth? Vacation Bay Turks and Caicos.

That's where you want to take... That's where they got to take you. Oh, man. My bad. Mo ain't gonna say nothing about that. Mo be flewed out, you know? He just scared me from the front door. Hey, yo, murder.

Yo, murder. They fly him out and give him jewelry. Hey, Stag, don't you want to start the show back? I was waiting to see if he was going to comment. He was real quiet, so... It's answered. Alright, so let's start with the game.

So the Celtics lose to the Cavs 118-94. Porzingis is still out, but the team scored collectively less than 100 points. Is this a problem? Maurice first. Oh, it's not a problem for me. You see, I got my Cleveland hat on,

so I'm representing. Right, so... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It might be a problem for those people out in Boston, but to all my Clevelanders, all my Ohioanders, I'm Ohioing out today. So, you know, it was a good day for us. You know, we proud.

But I will tell you this. This has a little to do with the game, but something what Cam said earlier this week when he was talking about Mello and Russell Westbrook being like journeymen. And I'll connect the whole story. And I was like, man, it's crazy to see these playoff games. They're so good.

And I said, man, it's as if like LeBron Curry and those guys who were representing in the past. It's like I don't even miss them. And I felt bad like feeling that way. But these playoff games have been so good lately that I was like, man, just that fast, you know, people who you, you know, who you honestly admire or idolize or whatever for this last decade, like these guys are gone and just the show goes on. So I'm happy for Cleveland.

I know that didn't have nothing to do with what you asked. I'm happy for Cleveland. It's bad for Boston, but, you know but I'll transition topics to one of those guys. Well, what I was thinking was this. The first thing that jumped out to me on this team is that Tatum had the most points. most points. Now, remember, I keep keep driving pause this narrative that when Tatum is the leader, they don't win. If you let Jalen Brown be the leader, they will actually win. I know. I remember Stephen A was up here. He was like, come on, come on, you know, because it didn't make sense. He was like, you don't know what you're talking about. But if you start looking at every time like they're really in cruise control

is when Jalen Brown is leading the team. I remember I said this and I said it first, jokingly, the killer about him being Batman. But now it's starting to make sense. Another thing that jumped out to me on this team is that Holiday. Did Holiday just vanish on this team? This is the second game that I've seen that he's been of very low productivity. He got four points in this game, and when Garland is four from five from three, they're not going to beat Cleveland. I mean, I think he's the difference maker on that team. We expect Mitchell to go crazy, but when Garland get crazy, they're a dominant team.

I kind of expect Mobley to have 21. I'm not going to lie. But when Garland gets it going, Paul, Cleveland is a hard team to beat. Look, Cleveland shot great. They they shot 54 from the field over 60 60 from three-point land everybody was in double digits uh lever came off the bench had 21 points uh they played a complete game and boston this happened last series against the Heat when when Stat was like she had the really good feeling that they was going to win the game

and this is the same exact game did you have a good feeling about this one too? yeah did you have a feeling about this one last night too Tusek? No. No.

That nigga just came and looked at you now. You can tell the days I get silent. Nah, but seriously, Boston is lackadaisical because I think that they think they're so good that they could take a game off or a game or a game or two off. I didn't even like what Jason Tatum said after the game. Everybody thinks we're supposed to win every game by 25.

And it's not going to be like that all the time. Nigga, y'all are not really supposed to lose at home. I'm talking traditionally as a Boston Celtic. Y'all not supposed to lose at home, period. You know, I seen Kendrick Perkins talking about how when they went on their championship run, their home games, they won by an average of double digits. And traditionally, y'all are just too lackadaisical when it comes to certain games.

Like, oh, we'll turn it on when we turn it off. I'll tell you one thing. And I know the Knicks still have a series to play. And people are still getting injured. You know, OG's going to be out next game. But the Knicks, and you can't count Cleveland now because also not only are they playing good, we're seeing the Donovan Mitchell the last four or five games

that we're used to seeing in the playoffs. The Donovan Mitchell that's used to dominating. You got to realize this whole playoffs, let's think about it. We're talking about Shea. We're talking about Jalen Brunson, we're talking about Ant-Man, Anthony Edwards. We're not really talking about Donovan Mitchell because he didn't need to be talked about like that in the beginning.

We're not talking about Jason Taylor or even Jalen Brown for that matter, to be honest with you. One of the superstars from that team is going to step up, and that's what we need to find out because if the Knicks get the pieces that they have now, I'm talking about when we know Mitchell isn't coming back for six to eight weeks. I don't know if that season ended or not. But if OG comes back, they're good enough to beat Boston.

I don't know if Cleveland is, but Boston be on some bougie, smooth shit. I don't really like how perfect Jason Tatum line is, to be totally honest with you. His shit is too crispy. Nah, dead ass. Like, dead ass. Like, I don't like it. I don't like them niggas' hairs done. The braids is just right.

It's no fucked up shit in the braids. You ain't knowing the Boston killer? No, I'm hating on the way they looking good coming to the game. Pause, but murder. The way the nigga lying, look, after he got off the layup line, he got a line. You know

what I'm saying? You got to pay attention to the shit niggas who come into the game pretty all the time. It makes a difference. And I don't know if they're gritty enough or have the attitude enough to get to the championship. Now I want to jump the gun and there's still a lot of basketball left to

be played, but they can't be having this yeah, well, we ain't always gonna win. We ain't always gonna be winning like that. I don't hear that if I'm a Celtics fan because y'all should be expected to win every game whether you win it or not. Don't come to the podium with that shit.

Yeah, and these niggas are playing at home. This is their second game, right? They're playing at home. You're not supposed to get blown out at home. Not in the playoffs. Not period, but definitely not in the playoffs. Okay, and then the Thunder... We don't have none of that shit.

Yeah, this is why Danny Ains had to get out of there. Danny Ains said, I'm out. What was his homeboy name at Golden State? He pulled the same thing, Pauls. He said, I got to get out of here. It's about to get crazy. Yeah, well, I know you're talking about Myers. Yeah, Bob Myers. They got a little better situation i'm not

gonna say and act like the celtics still aren't the favorite today to go to the championship but they gotta you know we can't be having this lackadaisical you know it ain't gonna be like that all the time because that's very discouraging to hear same thing like when we heard the Joker say, the Joker was like, yo, we're going to need two or three of me to beat these niggas for us. When the niggas said that, I thought the series was over. Then the next game they get blown out without

Rudy Gobert even playing. These statements are mental shit for the other team. You get what I'm saying? If I'm on the other team, I hear that shit, and I'd be like, oh, we got these niggas. They acting crazy.

They scared. That's what I would say. Whether it happens or not, I'm just thinking of the mentality I would have if I'm on the other team. Okay. And then the Thunder also lost to the Mavs,

119 to 110, tying the series 1-1. Kyrie only scored nine points. So in you guys' opinion, which team do you think is in the better shape right now? I would say Dallas. You know, when I watched that game, I don't know why,

what SGA was doing throughout the whole game, it reminded me of like Jalen Brunson trying to carry the Knicks. When they were struggling and he was the only one producing. When you look at him, he's just fun to watch. Just the athletic moves he got, getting to the bucket. It feels like can't nobody guard him. To me, he feels like a taller version of Kyrie. It felt like the Mavs were just more,

like just playing more in unison. You know what I'm saying? Ball was getting moved. Even Luka moving at the pace that he was moving at, getting his shots. Like it just felt more team oriented. And I was just saying to myself, for the Mavs to steal one on their home court,

and then for you to have to go home and possibly get two at home, playing great team ball, I just don't see if the other team has enough production from those other guys. But if they keep on playing like that, the Mavs, I don't see how OKC can beat them, just my opinion. Kayla? This is a great series.

I'm not sure who's going to win this game. I mean, pardon me, this series. But if we're throwing off momentum, yeah, look, I'm going to say Dallas has more momentum at the moment. They win by nine points. They're up by double digits a lot of the game. And towards the end anyway. And Kyrie only had nine points he's like even like Kyrie had a great game and Luka's hurt so if Luka gets himself back together um and I know he doesn't

have a lot of time in between games you know they're traveling back to Dallas so they'll maybe have an extra day or two then they'll usually have have it if it was two home games in a row. But if they get a little bit healthy, OKC, like we said, this is a real test. I don't think New Orleans was a Zion-less New Orleans was a real test for OKC. Shea got his numbers, like you said. But to me, 11 points isn't going to cut it from Chet. Chet is going to have to be that second superstar to step up and say, look, they need 20 to 25 points from me. I know he plays within the system.

I know he doesn't overdo it. He didn't shoot that well last night, maybe 33% if I'm not mistaken, but he's going to have to step up and say they need more for me. It's going to have to be more than just 12 shots for them to win. And I'm not saying that Giddy isn't good and the other players aren't good, but Chet is going to have to be that second superstar for OKC to win this series. Shade's going to do what Shade's going to do. And it's up to the others to figure out who's going to be that second person moving forward. But it's a great series, and I won't make a decision until the next game.

But at the same time, Dallas did what they were supposed to do, and steal a home game from OKC. Yeah, I agree with each one of you had to say. I always believed that this team was Giddy's performance away from being a championship team. I believe he got to develop a jump shot or at least a consistent pause mid-range in order for them to win as a team because when it comes down to it, we already know who everyone else is on this team.

I mean, when it comes to the other two superstars. And I agree with you on the Chet thing, but I'm also ready to say that Shea is for real. Shea is for real. Shea is for real. Like the numbers he keep putting up against all of the quality guards that are out there. I mean, we've seen him do it with Kyrie. We've seen him do it with, I mean, just everybody. Everybody that comes across that, those 94 feet or 90 feet, he gets the same numbers with everybody.

So I'm really ready to put some real respect on his name at this point, what he did the other night. You got 33-12 rebounds, eight assists, and two blocks as a point guard. It's crazy. It's really crazy. It's crazy. It's really crazy. I'm also not surprised that Luke had the numbers he had.

But when they win with Kyrie getting nine, that's scary. Especially if they win by nine. That's scary because we know Kyrie is not going to have nine again. And this just swings the series all the way in Dallas' favor. I know it's early, but it definitely does. Because when you're dealing with streaky players, all they need is any one little thing to go right, and then it begins to have a snowball effect. And then I got to ask you guys about Josh Giddey.

So he was actually benched early on in the game, only playing 11 minutes. You guys think that he should have more of a reduced role and play less minutes, or do you think that's going to affect the team in the long term? What do you guys think about that? If I could go first, because pause, I was just saying that when they first acquired Giddey, Giddey was supposed to be like, not a Magic Johnson, but one of those big guards that have a dominance on the backcourt. And when he never developed that set shot, at least a set shot, it just made him kind

of make the defense slack off him. And it made it able for them to double team other people because they know he can't hit the shot. He's going to have to prove that he can hit that shot consistently in order for him to be effective on the floor because if not, even like when Killer was talking about his point, each player point minuses,

he's going to probably got the lead on that because every time he's on the floor, everybody's just backing up off him. I remember people used to do that and like little kids playing basketball. So he definitely not supposed to be a pro and can't hit that shot.

And then Maurice and Cam, any thoughts on Josh Giddey's play? Well, Cam, any thoughts on Josh Giddey's play? Well, Cam. Biggest thing? Yeah, he got to be more productive on the floor. The biggest thing that I've heard about Josh Giddey all season is the allegations of messing with a minor. Let's get some better information on you outside of that, man.

Even though you was acquitted, but that's your biggest stat this year. Damn. Yeah. No comment. That's what I'm saying, though, right? You was talking about a man for like a month and a half, like, why they bring no charges on Giddy? They was harassing

us. Then he got acquitted, and we ain't really hear nothing about him since then, right? Am I bugging? Yeah, you're right. You're actually right. All right, then. Hey. Yeah, that shouldn't be the biggest thing that happened to you all year, you know? Yeah, that's my point.

I ain't, you know, he got acquitted so we don't have to talk about it but I ain't hear about his name since. Yeah, Kobe came back and had like 58 or something like that. He went crazy.

81 on niggas. 81 on niggas accused Kobe. Kobe's some niggas acting crazy. 81, nigga. No disrespect to all the families

involved. We just, we just talking about how he came back from it. Not, not that any of it is right. Okay. You know, people love to spend what we talking about every time. So I'm just being responsible, you know. Very responsible. Okay.

Let's discuss the Pacers. So the Pacers submitted 78 calls that they feel were incorrectly called against them from game one and two against the Knicks. Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said, small market teams deserve an equal shot and they deserve a fair shot no matter where they're playing. So how concerning is that number,

78 calls to you guys. And then do you guys agree with their actions to challenge the calls? Maurice first. Yeah, I don't really care. I kind of like seeing what New York is doing and New York winning. And I'll tell you like this, who probably changed my mind on just even hearing this. I remember Gilbert Arenas was, he was was talking to where he was interviewing somebody or being interviewed. And they said somewhere like the bylaws of the NBA and NFL or whatever it is.

All of these leagues have discretion to like are that this is entertainment. Right. That we look at it as a game. But these games get swayed because in the bylaws or the way that these rules are written, that this stuff is entertainment. And when I look at this and when I look at the craziness going on TV with New York winning and they showing outside of Madison Square Garden and you showing all the celebrities at the games and on the sides, man, people want to see that shit. You know what I'm saying? So if the referees were swayed to do it because it's more entertaining and it has more star power and we want to see that shit. You know what I'm saying? So if the referees were swayed to do it because it's more entertaining and it has more star power and we want to see the Knicks go to the

Eastern Conference Finals and watch them play Boston, I'm all for it. You know, no offense to Indiana. You know, I'm from Ohio. Indiana's right next door, but nobody wants to see the Pacers go play the Eastern Conference Finals outside of the people in Indiana. And I say that with all due respect. Wow, Mo. That was very disrespectful, Mo.

That was very disrespectful. But you didn't disagree, though, right? Yeah. No, I was more so thinking that Rick Carlisle, because of his history, he's coached a lot of good teams, right? So he knows the history of New York and Indiana. This series has always been a series that the players got to win it. The refs is not going to help you for at least two decades.

This series has always been won by the players. They're not going to call those calls. Rick Carlisle, what are you talking about? Do y'all remember Reggie Miller had like eight? What he had about, I forgot how many points he had in a couple of seconds, but it was five. Eight points in eight seconds. Yeah, there was pushes, all of that.

But the refs would let, if you could push him, get the ball back, and hit two threes and another two in that many seconds, we got to let you win the game. You got to ask your players to be tougher than that, Rick Carlisle. This has nothing to do with the refs. One time he said, oh, they shoved Ty in the corner or something like that. And I'm like, why is Ty letting niggas shove him in the corner?

That's the question. The refs are saying, we're going to let you play. I mean, you know that mold from football. We know it from basketball. There's times when it's a rivalry game.

And we hope the ref let us play. Only soft niggas hope the refs don't let us play. They're like, y''re going to win it tonight. They look at Cam, they look at us, and they throw the ball up and say, listen, you guys are going to win this game tonight, not the refs. Okay? Everybody shake their head.

Let's line up. That's basically what they're telling him. I don't know what he's thinking. Yeah. Well, everybody shake their head and line up is wow. First and foremost. That's crazy. I'm just saying,

I was trying to give you a chance, but everybody shake their head and line up. Come on. shake their head and then line up. Come on. Vacation base and let everybody shake their head and line up. So what Mesa's saying, I totally agree with what you saying is just that. I think that there's ever a player that doesn't understand that.

And it may be confusion to where you're a hundred percent, right? But not dead ass. Cause you know, you can, when we, you can hand check you, right?

That, that play when Reggie Miller had eight points in a little over 8.8 seconds or whatever it was, it was a lot of pushing on that play. A lot of shoving. But these players, every time somebody get hit in the head, they go on a video replay. Every time somebody falls hard, they go on a video replay. Is that a flagrant one?

Is that a flagrant two? Yo, it be crazy. You know what I'm saying? So now that you're right, they may be letting them play. And now the players are like, hold the fuck on. I don't know this style of basketball. That has to be clear through the playoffs. And that has to be a message to all the teams. If that's what the referees are going to let them do.

Look, we're going to let it go on fellas a little more. Like we're not going to call like we usually call because for the last however many years these players have been playing, they're used to not even getting fouled hard. I remember LeBron getting interviewed. This might have been 10 years ago, maybe when he was in Miami, if I'm not mistaken. And I think they were questioning him after a game about players not being tough. And he was saying, it was like, you know, if this was the 90s,

you would have to deal with harder fouls. And you guys are not getting called for little ticky-tack fouls. And if this was the 90s, then y'all would have to be, that wouldn't even be a foul. And LeBron's answer to that was, well, if this was the 90s, I would come through the lane swinging. Pause. But it's not the 90s.

So I think when we bring up a lot of shit, given our point of view, people be like, here go these niggas, Mason, Cam, and Mo with this old school shit thinking niggas can just beat you up in the middle of a game. They want niggas to get punched in they face.

No, we don't though, killer. This nigga Austin Rivers said not nigga, but this guy Austin Rivers said that 30 of them could play football. How could they play football if they're arguing about these files? But this is part of the reason he's not in the NBA right now.

He don't get it. He don't get it. He think you can play football out there. He don't. He said, I told him to have a seat. That's that. But to the Indiana Pacers point, and I'm only saying this because ESPN showed this.

When they was talking about Rick Carlisle being upset about the calls that were being missed, what they said was they didn't file a complaint to the league after the first game saying, okay, this is the first game. And it was just as bad as the second game is what he was saying. And I didn't notice anything while the game was going on, me personally. But what ESPN did was show all the foul shit the Knicks was doing. And when ESPN showed all the highlights, it looked foul, B.

They was pushing niggas into the crowd, shot the nigga hand off. They did that on purpose. I would usually say, murder you, right? And I'm not disagreeing with you now. I'm just saying niggas did some sucker shit and showed all the foul shit to Indy. Not even me.

Like you said, playing ball in the 90s and early 2000s and 80s for that matter. I was even like, nah, niggas can't miss this call in the 90s and early 2000s, and 80s for that matter. I was even like, nah, niggas can't miss this call in the playoffs. This is crazy. But that's what ESPN did to stop putting it in niggas' brain. Pause. So next thing is you file a complaint.

It's almost like it's not the same thing, but I'm sitting there saying it's like the fight we got with devon haney and ryan garcia you lose you get caught uh fouling for basketball you get caught possibly cheating for um boxing it don't change what happened now you could change the result of a fight but the niggas seem to get your ass with it niggas can't unsee it like yo don't pay attention to what you seen uh that day because he was on steroids you already seen it so it don't even really matter and what i'm saying about the complaints is you file a complaint okay cool they're not overturning the victory so that's what i like you know what is the penalty? Because I don't know if

the Indiana Pacers are deemed right or for filing these complaints. What if they file a complaint? You say, they filed for 71 complaints. What if they be like, you know what? We've seen 62 of the 71 that you guys are filing, right? What do you get? Just a, you were right? Because

it's not going to change the outcome of what the series is. I like, and it's a question I don't know the answer to. Yeah. I'll try to see if I can find that out. Cause I'm curious on how that would work as well. Before we go to break.

So speaking of calls and different things. So Pat Bev was officially suspended by the NBA for four games without pay for throwing that basketball at a fan. This is in addition to the police investigation happening in Indiana on him. So just in general, do you guys feel like this punishment is too harsh? I know we discussed it a little bit, but now that we know that there is a suspension, I want to know you guys' thoughts. Murray's first. Yeah, I think something like this was expected.

And, you know, I don't know if it's too harsh or too light but you know the fans is what make the game and uh just as much as i remember earlier in the season we have uh mentioned something about a fan saying something to russell westbrook russell westbrook and katie and just how the fans have to control their emotions with the stuff that they do as a professional athlete, you know, saying you expect it to hold yourself to a certain standard as well. You can't throw the balls at people's balls and not expect for something to happen. And I think also with the comments that he made to the reporter lady,

I think some of that has some ramifications. But it made me think of something else. Like, you know, I know media from active athletes is a thing now. And I think like just naturally, I think you can start to blur lines and believe that you have much more power, even when you're working in that system, which causes you to do a little bit more or forget that you're actually up under the authority of somewhere else or somebody else. So all this stuff that these people do to me sends messages. You know, you say some goofy shit to get out of line, we're going to punish you. Or if you do some goofy shit, you know, this kind of sets the precedent for future

players. Yeah, the report says that he threw the ball and it's striking a person in the head, so pause. And then he requested that the ball be returned. So

this is kind of a weird situation. Imagine you throw a ball in the ground. I'm not laughing at the person. I'm laughing at the situation because I can see this. Somebody throw the ball mistakenly and it just hits you because I can see this. Somebody throw the ball mistakenly and it just hit you in your head. You didn't see the ball.

And now you got the ball, you mad. You're like, what's going on? And then dude's like, yo, can you throw the ball back? That's a weird situation, right? That's what I'm saying. He's trying to say it was an accident. And they called him a nigga, so he's going to have to decide which one was saying. So he's trying to say it was an accident. And they called him a nigga.

So you're going to have to decide which one was it. Did he mean to throw the ball or did they call him nigga? Or can two things be right at the same time? He did say that. That's what I'm thinking. This is crazy, Pat. I wish you the best, Pat. We're praying you stay in the league.

Yeah. Thing about it is he actually threw the ball for us twice. Yeah. And the second time was like a bullet pass. I think this is about fair

and it's already a police investigation going on outside of this. Only thing that I would say, because I watched that a couple times, and it's just, you know, I put myself as a, let's just say a fan watching the game as well. let's just say a fan watching the game as well. He threw the ball and the ball actually swiped a lady's face. Pause. So when he threw it, he was aiming at somebody and it hit a lady in the face, grazed her face.

And now her boyfriend gets up because he was, he wasn't even aiming at either one of them. It just zoomed past them and went to the other person. What do you do as a man if your girl, if a nigga throw the basketball at your girl's face and it hit her? Now, if you get up and try and do something to the league and security, everybody going to act like you wild and you bugging. And if you don't do nothing. Yeah, you get kicked out of the arena and all that. Yeah, all that shit. Then if you don't do nothing, and I'm saying that

they're a Caucasian couple, so I don't know how the household is. If it's a black household, your wife on the phone talking to her friends like this nigga ain't even do nothing. He sat there and let the nigga throw the ball right in my face.

The ball hit you, girl? Balls. Yeah, in my face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What did Calvin do? He sat there. He didn't do. He sat there.

Yeah. Nothing at all. This is exactly. Nothing at all. This is exactly. Zilch. Zero. I told you.

I told you about that, boy. Y'all talking like a white household. That's not how the verb is going to go. This bitch ass nigga. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what happened. No, I'm going to tell you. He right here right now.

Give me a minute. tell you, he right here, right now. Give me a minute. That's how I really go. Give me a minute, this bitch ass nigga. We at the game. Yeah, then the nigga be talking to me aggressive. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. So what do you do as a man in that situation that's fucked up you know i'm saying so that's more what i was thinking about uh than anything else but four games i guess adam silver that's that's what you're gonna get with him and i'm not mad at it either way i know i think four games should be the least minimum. What city did it happen in? I wouldn't have been mad if it was Big 7. Indianapolis.

That's why the Indy police is investigating. Oh, yeah, yeah. He must don't know about Mike Tyson and all that. Indiana is not going to play with him. No. He'll learn tonight. At all. When we went into the All-Star weekend,

that's the only thing I knew about Indiana. I said, ain't this the city Mike Tyson got locked up in? Oh, yeah, we're going to play it easy tonight. Yeah. Okay. So in the comments, let us know what you guys would do in that situation we're going to go to break when we return we will discuss conversations around the goat don't go anywhere She call this thing abouts toxic Four years and counting

Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't. What's happening to me won't fall. Oh, dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about it. She want to be free. Why am I in this one? She want to be free. Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Timberwolves will play the Nuggets. Underdog Fantasy has Anthony Edwards at 39.5 points, rebounds, and assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Lower.

He'll be in the 30s, but not that high. Cam? Lower. Okay. Jokic is at 50.5 points, rebounds, and assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Lower. Okay. Jokic is at 50 and a half points rebounds and assists. Do you have him higher or lower? Cam? Lower.

Lower. Okay. And Cat is at seven and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace? Cat? Yeah. Seven and a half rebounds?

Higher. Underdog fantasy is giving the money away. Yep. Hi, I agree. Hey, download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. We are joined back

with our analyst, Maurice Claret. So, Maurice had a good little discussion. He posed the question saying, how is there a never-ending discussion

about who is the GOAT? So, the question to you all is in sports, never ending discussion about who is the goat? So the question to you all is in sports, what are the non-negotiables to make somebody considered the goat? Maurice, I'm gonna let you actually go first. Yeah, my answer is a little different, you know, because, you know, this is a never ending conversation. You're going to probably hear it on some sports show every week and all different walks of life around everything. But when I consider what I call somebody the greatest of all time, be it any sport, basketball, football, whatever, the thing that kind of comes to my mind is when they the impact that they have on culture. And, you know, and actually I think of, you know,

just when everybody always talks about Michael Jordan, like it's a place that I go to in my mind when I first seen the Bulls, I can hear the music, I can see, or I can basically experience my childhood over again. And that's where it rings great to me. You know, the championships were cool uh the mvps were cool like those things you know those things contribute to you being the goat

uh but probably what's most important to me was the non-negotiable was the person's impact on oh i guess what pop culture was to me that's uh my non-negotiable championships i can say there's a lot of great players so that's not really on my non-negotiable list because there's a lot of guys who are just on championship teams that really didn't contribute to the main thing. They contributed a part of the role, but they weren't the main thing. So I don't really consider that. But I would say for me, MVPs and impact on culture. And I know there's a whole lot more to say, but those two things are mine. Kayla? whole lot more to say, but those two things are mine. Killa?

I'm still thinking, Robbie. I would definitely have to say championships, because as much as we think, and I'm not saying all championships like Mo said, because Robert Ory has seven championships and nobody calls him the GOAT. But everybody that you argue about being the GOAT

has a championship, whether it's LeBron James, whether it's Michael Jordan, whether it's Bill Russell, whether it's Kobe Bryant, whether it's Joe Montana, whether it's Tom Brady, anybody that you consider the GOAT has a championship outside of the new generation who considers Paul George the GOAT. That just went home in the first round. So I don't know the standards for today. What happened? I said that, Mace, because that's your goat.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but everybody, you know, these days, I mean, and when Homeboy said

that Paul Jones was the goat, I thought he was bugging, but then I did, like, homework on it, and George was the GOAT, I thought he was bugging, but then I did like homework on it. And it's more than just him. It's like a few NBA players that believe that. Carmelo Anthony's son, up and coming, believes that Paul George is the GOAT. And it's like a different criteria, I believe, for a younger age. To me, Michael Jordan is my goat for basketball, and Tom Brady is my goat for football.

As much as I love Joe Montana and everything else, I actually watch Tom Brady in real time go from being six-round pick to taking Drew Bledsoe's spot to winning the Super Bowl his first year, second, and third year. He actually, no, pardon me, two out of three years he took his Super Bowl. Or was it three out of four? I'm not sure. Whatever it is, he was winning back-to-back.

One year he didn't win. And to see him go to win seven Super Bowls was just incredible. So I've seen it in real time. And sometimes it's hard for people to get a grasp of what they didn't see in real time. Same thing with Michael Jordan. I've seen when I was six, seven years old, Michael Jordan get drafted to him actually going through trials and tribulations before he even won his first championship. So I've seen the grind, his NBA grind, so to speak. And when you don't see something,

it's hard to grasp it on just YouTube clips or maybe in a documentary or anything like that. When you see it, it's something different because you have older people who would tell you, you know, y'all all bugging that Bill Russell's the greatest of all time or kareem abdul-jabbar's the greatest of all time and i may not have seen that well definitely not uh bill russell but even when i started watching kareem abdul-jabbar he was older and i didn't get to see him play when he was young and he couldn't be the goat for me because I didn't see his whole career.

So to me, the criteria would have to be championships, Mo made a great point, MVPs, and being the person who helped that, the main person on that team to get you to championships and MVPs. Because like I said, Robert Ory got seven, and I never heard like Robert Orby's to go. Let me ask you, does culture play any role in what you're talking about

or anything with you? So like you may or you may have a difference on Jordan. Like when I think of Jordan, I literally think of my childhood and just his impact. I don't want to say it just his cultural impact with the tennis shoes and just style he styled basketball to me you know i'm saying and just what everybody wanted to be it wasn't necessarily about championships or mvps like that's how i remember it you know i'm saying and everybody has their own thing but I was just

asking like this does that play any role I think even how you view Tom Brady I was about to say to me to me in basketball it plays more than in football like basketball if we go into culture and everything else Ion culture and cultural impact on black young kids is probably top tier for my generation so to speak yeah Allen Iverson was wearing the jewelry he was wearing or the jewelry he wanted he was driving the cars that we we wanted or was getting at the time you know Mason Allen Mason Allen obviously came in the league at the same time, so we was getting where he was getting, or Mason was. Anyway, I was in the passenger seat.

But at the same time, at the same time, in the black community, during my generation, he probably had the biggest cultural impact. Not that Michael Jordan didn't, because people are still buying Michael Jordan sneakers. We all wanted Michael Jord's more than anything else. But when it comes to football, me and Sin, of course, me and Sin was arguing about this one day. Not

this particular comment, but you didn't want to wear one. You don't care what Tom Brady's wearing. Do you have a pair of Tom Brady's? Sin asked me that one day. I'll lie. I do got a pair of Tom Brady's. He called me in the line and said, alright, I'm lying.

Niggas ain't caring what kind of shoes Tom Brady got on us. Or, if you think about it, no disrespect, I don't know any football player where you'd be like, I got to get the cleats. maybe I'm just not in that world or the shoes they be like yo there you go

now you cooking Deion cultural impact was crazy for football now that's a fact Deion's was crazy outside now Deion was a different animal I'm glad you brought that up Mo cause Deion would have called my phone tomorrow and went to fuck off.

Sorry, coach. My bad. I don't even want this anymore. Your cultural impact was wild. The jewelry, the music videos, the sneakers, crazy. And also, Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson. But think about the people we name it.

They play two sports. They both play baseball and football. So absolutely. Yeah. Ken Griffey, Ken Griffey as well. The Ken Griffey. But you know, that's baseball. So that's, that's, that's not football, but yeah, Ken Griffey for baseball. Absolutely. But yeah. So I think the criteria is a little different for football outside of the two people i named it upon forgetting somebody forgive me yeah um when i think i'm really tired of the conversation about goats but really because it seemed like they keep leaving out people that are really important it seemed like the conversation gets drawn to, even when you talk about basketball,

it gets drawn to LeBron and Jordan, right? Or Jordan and LeBron, however you want to say it. But realistically, it should be Jordan and Kobe. And to me personally, or is like, to me, LeBron just is not, he's not that high to me to that it is to other people. So I know it sounds like I'm hating, but I actually, like killer said, I saw people playing real time and I didn't get to see LeBron play as much. So that may be where my vantage point is coming from. But what I saw Kobe does, I haven't does, I haven't seen LeBron do to me in my eyes. I haven't seen that. Even with the championships that he won, they weren't again, to me, that's more impressive than the bubble championship or the championship where Kyrie hits the shot for me as a competitor.

And I would love to have that debate with somebody that would like to talk about the triumph that you go through to get a championship. It was not as great as Kobe's, especially going through a rape case, changing your number, changing your hairstyle, changing everything, reinventing yourself, and staying in the same place where all the scrutiny is

and winning at that same place twice is phenomenal. Let me say this, Mace. I never said this, but man, I love LeBron for everything on basketball related, if that's even a word. him for just like to be able to persevere through all these years to have all those expectations set on him and to perform you know for 20 years you know i'm saying and so like like the question was like you know what what seems to be like the non-negotiables and i think what i'm basically coming to is like i don't think anybody will ever agree on a certain criteria but you know just me being from youngstown and me being in Ohio, me understanding, like, and I just probably look at this more

just like as a black man, right? Like to have that much money and be in this position and to not fuck up in any way or for it to be made public and to have that much success, to me, like, that's why I'm always like, I'll just shoot y'all straight. I love Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, my favorite, but's why I'm always like, I'll just shoot y'all straight. I love Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan, my favorite. But being a biased guy from Ohio, like, it's just admirable what he's been able to do over these 20 years. You know what I'm saying? That's sort of less what I'm talking about. But I love him for everything basketball related. Like, you know, I don't really care that he had championships with different teams. Like, I really don't care about that. But him being able to do what he's done and then to assemble his crew. And I've seen Rich and Mav and all those dudes and Randy.

We all come up together. But to see them 20 years later and what they're doing now, that's like my admiration for him because that's not no easy shit to do. You know, to manage relationships, to keep motherfuckers from around you, to sink your ship, to, you know, the women who probably came out to do the money and all type of influence, you know, global influence. That's just some hard shit to manage. You know, there ain't a lot of people who can do that.

So are you talking about greatest of all time dads? Or are you talking about greatest of all time basketball player? Because that don't have anything to do with basketball. Yeah, no. Yes. So, yes. But you're making my point where in regards to basketball. You did say cultural impact as well was part of it.

Yeah. And that's just what I'm saying. That's kind of what I'm saying where I like him for something else other than basketball and I don't know if that's saying a whole lot but I love him for other reasons well it's a lot of people who have that argument as well

some people have LeBron number one Jordan number two but it's a lot of people who have Michael Jordan number one that have Kobe number two, but it's a lot of people who have Michael Jordan number one that have Kobe number two also, because I have Kobe number three, but of course, you know, Sin has Kobe number two. So he likes to argue with me about that. So at the end of the day, as much as we hear Jordan and LeBron, Kobe's name does get mentioned by a few people. For me, three of the chips Kobe had was Shaq.

I'm not saying, yeah, two without Shaq. But the thing about it, and people look at this different, even like when we had Lenny Cook on the show, and he's arguing about I believe LeBron and Michael Jordan at the time and people like Lenny Cook and I believe Younger

think it's a big deal to where or something special when you could go win championships with other teams but I'm of the mindset of what Mace just said, too. When you stay with the same team the whole time and you win with what they give you, I believe that's hard to pour. But at the same time, I'm not mad at LeBron for basically bucking the system, if you want to put it that way. I'm not going to be mad at a niggaron for basically bucking the system,

if you want to put it that way. I'm not going to be mad at a nigga who could say, got leverage with the GM and be like, yo, well, we need Kevin Love. I said, man,

I don't know about the Wiggins nigga. Yo, you know what I'm saying? Hey, yo, I need, yo, get Anthony Davis,

Rich. I don't care what you got to do to get him, figure it out, get him to LA. And that's what you got to do to get him figure it out get him to LA and that's what we need to do because if they think about it and I know it's not on that level if you could as a player go where you want to go and still win I'm not saying it like Golden State that was just like the cheat code but if you can assemble a team to try and win, then cool. I believe after Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett went to Boston, everybody thought you needed three people to do it. And these GMs will trade you in the middle of the night. We talked about that before. You're on a flight and when you're laying in another place. Mason, myself, our coach told us how facing

high school, fuck the NBA, high school, he could trade us for Stephon Mulberry. He would drive and pick him up and bring him to school every day and do his homework. And he would have.

He wasn't even joking. That's the crazy shit about it. He was dead serious. So a nigga can ship you wherever you want to take you to go and you could be like, nah, I'm fixing all that. I'm going to go where I want to go.

I can't get mad at that. But I'm not mad at the people Who put Kobe second Yeah And you know Like the reason why I brought up Kobe

Cause The last few times When we talked about Jordan and LeBron Every time I go home People like Yo Mace You buggin nigga

Watch this right here And they show me All the things that Kobe did. They're like, yo, you wilding. Kobe did everything everybody else did. And another player that comes to mind is Magic. Like, if you're thinking about cultural impact and what people was able to do outside the game of basketball,

we're talking about a person that part owner of the Washington Commanders, the L.A. Dodgers, TGI Fridays. I mean, just all type of things and created the culture for the L.A. Lakers that we know that all of the greats that came out of that. And to think this person, we can't say somebody helped him win his championships because when they were injured, he came in as a rookie and won the NBA championship himself at center. And he got five championships with the same team. So Magic Johnson is definitely a player over the years that gets super overlooked.

I know different people up at ESPN and different networks said, no, we're not overlooking him. But you are because the people that you're putting over him didn't accomplish the same things. He's won the most other than Jordan at the highest level. other than Jordan at the highest level, when it comes to the premier guards and premier perimeter players that we keep bringing up, it just doesn't make sense that his name doesn't come up. Five championships. I think maybe his name definitely needs to come up, definitely.

But I believe as far as the business portion of what you're talking about, a lot of that didn't happen until he stopped playing. And he's one of the most successful businessmen period right now. You don't see a lot of black niggas having ownership no matter what the percentage is in professional team. Okay.

And then last question before we wrap. So Ohio State's offensive coordinator Chip Kelly is being called out by former players for the dynamic and relationship that he has had with those players. So a player on an interview basically said, I've never met a coach that was uncomfortable dealing with black players.

He said he would have another coach tell him how Chip felt about certain things, but it would never come from Chip Kelly directly. So hearing that, you know, from a former player, how do you guys feel about that dynamic and the player admitting that on the podcast? One of you guys thoughts, Murray's first. Hey, well, it was, uh, it was the Sean McCoy and Deshaun Jackson. they got Columbus on fire right now. So, hey, you know, Chip Kelly came from UCLA. He's here in town. And, man, they got the 25-10 show,

and they were calling up the old Eagles players when Chip Kelly was there. And basically he was a piece of shit to them. You know, that was the opinion of guys. And to me, I'm pretty sure it's two sides of every story, but when the majority of the people who you've coached and you was in a locker room and you had influence

over, when they call you basically like a piece of shit and you were consistently making bad decisions and you had a hard time dealing with black people, there's a lot of white coaches, man, who you run through through years. And I can't even count two, three, whoever had problems dealing with black players. You know, most of the times, most black people end up getting introduced to different cultures through sports, right?

And so when I heard that stuff about him, I was like, man, that's kind of troubling. You know, knowing you got a whole bunch of young black dudes down here in Columbus. But he's definitely on that show. They put people on notice. And, you know, Chip Kelly, I hope he cannot redeem himself here. We get a championship. But if not, I'm pretty sure that, you know, guys who got, you know, platforms now be with Deshaun and Shady, you know, having their their platform. They'll be sure to let it be known if he if he fucks up.

Yeah, I don't want to let it be known if he, if he fucks up. Yeah. I don't want to know what I think. I don't mean to be the black sheep, but these are not these. I love, um, shady McCoy and Jackson, but could this be possible that he may feel

the same way about them not to say that they are but these are not like guys who are like very clean cut these are guys that push the envelope may party a little bit too much in his eyes I'm just trying to let Chip

have a voice here too right so if Chip? So Chip is talking. Chip is like, come on, my nigga. Chip, what are you thinking? And we love Deshawn and Shady McCoy,

but I'm saying, is it possible that Chip feels the exact same way about them? What do you think, Mo? It wasn't just him. Hold on, look. I know you ain't on social media like that, but the clip goes, it's

a 25-10 show, and they calling up all former players, and they go through like seven or eight players, and they question is, what is the first thing you think about when I say Chip Kelly? And there's a series of clips. And now, you know,

it's edited and it was, you know, they probably had clickbait all that's around around surrounding it, but you're not about to have eight people say, fuck you. And there's not some truth to it. That's what I'm saying. No,

that's what I'm saying. Is it possible that Chip feels the same way about all eight of them? That's what I'm saying. Is it possible that Chip feels the same way about all eight of them? That's what I'm saying. What are the type of gentlemen that are saying this? Yeah, he probably does. Listen to me. Deshawn and Shady's some niggas. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Is it eight niggas or is it some Ivy League in there? Or is it just eight eight niggas or is it some Ivy League in there or is it just eight hood niggas because if it's eight hood niggas Chip may feel the same way of dealing with them niggas that was a headache to me you know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying yeah no I get it like if we go find eight girls and they say, you know what? Who's that? Oh, she ain't all that. You know what I'm saying?

But it's going to be eight of the same type of people with that same opinion. So you can't judge that unless it's different kind of people. But if they're all the same type of niggas, get money, wear jewelry, smoke butt, go out and party. Chip may feel like I don't like none of them niggas get money, wear jewelry, smoke butt, go out and party. Chip may feel like I don't like none of them niggas neither. You get what I'm saying? Kill her or not. You know what I'm saying? Like there's some niggas that be like, yo, who kill her? Oh, that's my nigga.

You know what I'm saying? And everybody that love them, they probably feel the same way. It's the same way with me. Pause. It's a quiet. It's not for everybody. They definitely niggas, though.

So, Chip, what I'm saying and Chip, not in Chip's defense, but I'm asking maybe Chip is feeling the same way you're talking right now like if we had Chip on an all Caucasian show he may he may say

he might get on there and list all eight of them as heartaches I'm just saying you get what I'm saying? Different perspective. Different perspective. And then Cam, your thoughts?

Yeah. Yeah. Only like from the statement that Charles just told me, I don't really, I think I want to commend Chip Kelly. going where Mace is going, but similar to what Mace is saying, is that you're saying that he had somebody else tell them what he was feeling about something from what Mo and Stat were saying. And if that's the case, then I want to commend him because in his brain, he was probably like, yo, please go tell them this because I'm liable to call them nigga by accident. So you tell them before yo please go tell them this because i'm liable to call them nigga by accident so you you tell them before i have to tell them if you feel if you know that's in your

heart then then just best to go third person so yeah like he felt the same way no i'm just saying, in general, whoever ain't even speak up yet, he might feel like that. It might not just be them eight. It might be like... Because I have that problem sometimes. You know, if I...

And not racist shit I'm talking about. Sometimes I'll be like, yo, please go tell this nigga because if I tell them how I tell them, they're going to be offended because I don't know how to talk to people sometimes. So do me a favor and tell them I said

X, Y, Z because if I tell them it's going to come off crazy, pause. So if that's the case, I'm not, if it's all third, I don't know what else happened. I'm only going over what y'all read to me. That he had niggas telling niggas shit in third person. Now, I don't know if he had niggas doing extra drills, you know,

acting like they were supposed to be better than what they was. So you make them stay late. I don't know. I'm just going off what was read. If it's all third person, sometime I do that. Because if I have to say something to somebody, it may not come across right. That's fair.

Okay, well, let us know what you guys think about the former teammates' comments. But that is all the time that we have for today. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Before we go, hey, yo, murder, they fire Frank Vogel, B. Word? Yeah. I knew it. Yeah, man.

I knew it. Yeah, brother. Niggas got to go. One year. One year, man. Okay, what you say murder, my nigga? John Calipari, one and done, man. Yeah, one and done, man. They had to get him out of there.

Who do you got? Let me ask you guys real quick before we go. What do you guys think? Whose fault it is? Should he have been fired? And should a player have been moved before he's been moved? Do you think this is a right or wrong decision? Well, today, three things are right.

It's right that he should have been fired. The player that should have taken the blame should be the best player. The best player, the leader, always takes the blame. That's the leader's job. So KD takes some blame in that. And also because, and what else? What else did you say? Should he have been fired?

Yes. Was it a player that should have went beforehand? that should be blamed, KD. And what player should be moved? They can't move the player that should be moved because the player

that should be moved is Bradley Bill. Bradley Bill definitely should be moved. They can't move the player that should be moved because the player that should be moved is Bradley Bill. Bradley Bill definitely should be moved ASAP. If they can get some good calls for him, they got to get him

out of there. Was Frank Vogel hired under this new owner or was it the last owner who just gave the team up? The new owner or was it the last owner who just gave the team up? The new owner.

New owner. Yeah. And the reason why I say that is because Bradley Bill is dead nice, but you know, sometimes that is just not the right system. He would have did better with the Lakers. Obviously, he would have definitely did better with the Lakers.

Then, Cam, Maurice? Oh, I don't have really an opinion on it. I don't have an opinion on it. They didn't get it done. You thought that they had enough pieces with Devin Booker, Bradley Bill, and KD. It didn't happen, so somebody has to blame, or you have to blame somebody just to keep the fans engaged. When shit goes wrong, when you have a bunch of potential, somebody got to get the fuck out of there, right? And you're not about to get the players out of there,

and you probably feel like whatever you get out of Frank Vogel, you can go find somebody on another team or an up and coming assistant and get the same production or a little bit more. So somebody had to go. I think they would have been better, actually. I'm going to give the Suns some consultant. I think they would have had a better year if they would have brought in. a better year if they would have brought in what's his name, Isaiah Thomas, put him at the point, not go with the white guard

that played at Minnesota. I don't think he really adds anything to that team when you think of the five power they already have in the offense. If they already have Eric Gordon, they would have been better off white girl from minnesota i mean from um milwaukee from milwaukee what's the guy

and then he played in um i know you're talking about yeah i know he played it yeah be found yeah from milwaukee yeah my bad him, they really didn't need him. And he could end up being a great player. Doesn't mean anything against the players, so don't take this personal. I'm just talking about from a chemistry standpoint. They would have been better off having Aiden, Bo,

KD, Book, and Isaiah Thomas. And then just surround them with a bunch of young players that are coming up that could get buckets, that are slashers, and people that could play good defense. That's what they really needed. They needed a P.J. Tucker.

They needed all of those kind of pieces, and they cashed it all in on pause on Bradley Bill, and it was a horrible decision. and it was a horrible decision? We got an ANC owner, I believe. I met him last year when we were there. Very nice guy, relatively young for an owner. So congratulations on that front. But you got to think of all the things that's been happening.

I think he got there maybe January of last year, February of last year. I'm not mistaken. Since then, Chris Paul is gone. Aiden is gone. Coach is gone. Bradley Bill gets there. Frank Vogel gets there. Now Frank Vogel's gone. And if I'm not mistaken, just my opinion,

somebody else will be gone before the next season comes. I'm not sure who it'll be. And it's going to be hard to get rid of Bradley Beal, like Macy said, not because of just his play this season, because he's still very good. I just don't believe he was fitting in the system and he was injured a lot this season. But his contract, nobody's going to want to pay fett bradley bill 50 million dollars next year that he's obligated to so you trade bradley bill you pick that contract up and right now i don't see a team that's willing to pick up a 50 million dollar contract from bradley bill um firing the coach i don't think that's going to help i don't know what assets they'll receive if they end up

doing the trade but i know it doesn't matter what coach you bring them to me personally. You could go get Phil Jackson. You can go dig up the grave of all bad. I don't care who it is. That team is not going to get it done in the Western conference with the talent that we see going on right now. And especially when they're not even winning the game, maybe they weren't motivated because of the relationships between Fred Vogel and some of the players,

and they tapped out mentally early before the playoffs even started. But outside of coaching, just the energy, the chemistry, it doesn't look good for that core group there. And I believe before the season is over, before the summer is over, somebody's going to get moved.

Hey, well, you heard it here first. Maurice, thank you for being here. And Katie back in OKC will be crazy. My man. OK, that's all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is. want nigga everything nigga supersize like when they doing them two for five