IT IS WHAT IT IS - WHERE IS THE G.O.A.T GONNA PLAY NEXT YEAR & FIRING MONTY WILLIAMS ISN'T CHANGING ANYTHING! | S4 EP44

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

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Mm. Okay, so after one season, the Pistons have dismissed coach Monte Williams, who leaves with five years and $65 million plus left on his deal. Do you guys think that this was a smart decision by the Pistonsons and then how do you guys feel about his coaching career as of lately mace first well um everything is not funny especially when you win 14 games it's definitely not funny but they get $65 million on a walk away is crazy. You know, they still got to pay them. And I know for this franchise, they were tremendously let down because they thought that Monty was

going to come and bring that winning pedigree and all of that. Something went wrong. And they can't keep selling chicken. They can't. What was the deal last year that if they win certain games everybody gets chicken free chicken or something like that and you can't bank a franchise on on um on wing stop you just can't do it so they had to get Monty out here I wish you the best in your future, but you got to win, man. I don't know what else to say

to that. And, you know, looking at his stats, right? He was 14 and 68. That was the 23-24 year. And then, I mean, they haven't been this bad since 1979, where they lost 66 games and won 16. And that's just unacceptable. I don't know what else to say to that. Monty, you got to do better than this. And I know he's been through a lot, you know, family situations, and that's why I'm kind of, Paul is taking it easy. But you got to win, champ.

You got 65 million reasons to win and you got some good talent down there you got the guy Cape you got even I thought the big man that came from Golden State was gonna go down there and turn it around but I don't know what else to say

you gotta win and we wish you the best in your future endeavors Detroit Pistons y'all ain't shit. Don't use Marty Williams as a scapegoat because y'all ain't shit. Y'all been ain't shit. Y'all get these draft picks, the niggas y'all picking, they ain't shit. Them niggas ain't doing nothing special. They ain't LeBron.

They ain't no sensations to come through like, oh, he's supposed to be good, light-skinned nigga. I don't even know your name like that, my nigga, because you're not as good as they thought you was going to be. Now they want to blame R.T. Williams and use him as a scapegoat. I'm glad that he's going to get $65 million and say, fuck y'all on the way out, to be totally honest with y'all niggas, because y'all not going to get no continuity

firing a nigga after one year. Now, I know it was a really, really bad year, but if that's the case, fire the niggas who's fucking coaching the Washington. Ain't shit, niggas. I don't even know what they used to be, the Bullets, the Wizards. Fire them niggas. They ain't shit. They got fucking Jordan Poole and nigga Dayton Winnie Harlow.

Kyle Kuzma. Fire that nigga. Y'all ain't shit, and y'all using Monty Williams as a scapegoat, and whoever the general manager is, I get that, that you're probably using him to save your job. Y'all just fired the nigga who got there from Toronto after he won the championship. He got fired from Toronto the year he won the championship.

Y'all had him there for a year or two and fired him. Monty Williams is there for a year, you fired him. You're not going to get no continuity. And I don't know who y'all listening to, whether it's players, whether it's the GMs, whether it's the fans. Monte Williams is a great basketball mind. Had a decent career in the NBA. We're acting

like this nigga wasn't coach of the year in 2022. Took the Phoenix Suns to the championship a few years ago. They didn't pull it off, but at the end of the day, that wasn't his fault. He took them to the championship when they haven't been there since 1993, Kevin Johnson and Barkley and them niggas. It was that long since the Phoenix Suns had been to the championship.

Aiton was acting like a little bitch, and the rest of the niggas on the Suns didn't want to play in the playoffs. Chris Paul got hurt, so they got rid of him because your star center didn't want to play in the playoffs. Chris Paul got hurt, so they got rid of him because your star center didn't want to play. Yeah, he was Snowden. Yeah, Snowden and Phoenix, actually. Yeah, he was Snowden. Yeah, Snowden and Phoenix.

Chris Paul, who's hurt majority of the playoffs, he wasn't available, and he did what he could do. I think Monte Williams is being used as a scapegoat here in Detroit. I feel bad for you, but I'm happy that you're getting your money. I know May says it's about winning, which is true, but what did they really expect you to do with a bunch of niggas who think they're better than what they are, and they're not that good as they think they are?

Can't even name three niggas on the Pistons right now. P, you know three niggas on the Pistons? You? How about you, Stat? Give me three. Jaden Ivey, Cade Cunningham, Oscar Thompson. That's why you're hired here. That's exactly why you're here.

They're all like young. Because who's going to ask me next? And I don't know three of them niggas. Stat probably scouting niggas for her own personal reasons. I'm not. Let's make that clear, I'm not. She just said they all young, but I'm happy you knew that. That's why we have somebody at this table here that has,

that's why your name is Stat. I don't know y'all niggas. She does. I don't pay attention to niggas who don't make the all-star game and all that. I don't got time to give y'all niggas my time. But I'm happy Stat is on the show and she knows y' to niggas who don't make the all-star game and all that. I don't got time to give y'all niggas my time. But I'm happy Stat is on the show and she knows y'all niggas. Because y'all wouldn't have never got mentioned by me, nigga,

until y'all do something more incredible than what y'all doing now and get my nigga Monty fired. I got an attitude with you niggas, to be totally honest with you. Niggas got Monty fired. That's what you're running with. Yeah, man. I don't like that. I don't like that. And like you said, Murdo, you know, you didn't really want to bring it up, but you got to

realize this man was an assistant coach. His wife died in a car accident or four ex-wife in 2016, left with five. He had five kids by. You got to deal with all that. Come back to coach next year. A few years later, get your team to a championship coach of the year to deal with all that come back to coach next year a few years later Get your team to a championship coach of the year dealing with all that shit mentally They go that niggas a good-ass nigga and he ain't gonna say it so I'm gonna say it for you Monty

Y'all ain't shit and y'all using me as the scapegoat It ain't his fault that the y'all got to come up the trade pistons That is all type of schemes you hit two free throws in a row get free chicken wings Yeah for free throws in the world in a row you get a night out at Motown all type of schemes. You hit two free throws in a row, you get free chicken wings. You hit four free throws in a row, you get a night out at Motown. All type of dumbass shit. Y'all ain't shitting me. And I'm mad y'all did that to Monty, but I'm happy he gets his money on the way out.

And thank you, Stat, for naming them niggas that nobody knows. I be hitting Thompson. We had a twin. It was like a thing, but back to your point. Yeah, Cade was balling, though. Cade? Yeah. Yeah.

He had 20. What's his name? 23 and 8. Cade Cunningham. Oh, the light-skinned nigga. Yeah. Not really. He was doing the best on the Pistons.

He wasn't carrying niggas. He carried on under 14 wins. That's the nigga I'm talking about. He's supposed to be that nigga. You not that nigga. You not. Maybe you'll get there, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully you'll get there one day, you know,

but the first couple years, you supposed to be that nigga, the light-skinned little curly nigga. Yeah, that's why I didn't remember his name, because they like, nah, he nice. Nah, he aight. Like Murda just said. Now if they gotta give away free chicken wings for three free throws, you can't carry a team past 14 wins.

What else was he supposed to do? He had 22 and eight. What else Monty supposed to do? Point. That was a good point. What Monty supposed to do? What was Monte supposed to do? He didn't get back out there. You haven't done your job until you win. Monte one of them niggas, I'm telling you now, if I was one of them niggas, I would remember, I don't know his numbers off top, but niggas knew who Monte was when he was playing.

I would have been like nigga when I was playing. I would have never let this happen. The cave. I couldn't be on no teams winning 14 games. Yeah. You right in title town, but this would happen. You get around losers. I start talking like a loser.

We don't do that here. It is what it is. You got to win more than 14 games. Yeah, no, listen, what you said was right. I just don't want to blame Monte Williams for the 14. So I'm not disagreeing with your take like that. Like, teams are expected to win in 14 games is atrocious, but to throw it on Monte is crazy.

Yeah. I mean, there's niggas that have been on a 14-game winning streak. Absolutely. We got to take this into consideration. Pardon me to interrupt you. It's 2024. The man was coach of the year and all-star coach in 2022.

And he shouldn't have really even got fired by Phoenix. You had a new owner who came in there and wanted to start his own regime and say, yo, Mark, I didn't, when I got, you know, I didn't hide. I got to do my own thing with my own niggas. I'm going to go with Frank Vogel

because he wanted Chip. So I think I'm going to go with Frank Vogel because he wanted Chip. So I think I'm going to roll with a nigga who wanted Chip. And that didn't get him nowhere, to be totally honest with you, with Bradley Bill, with Kevin Durant, with Devin Booker, and Frank Vogel as a championship coach. I think if you had Marty Williams there, I'm not going to say that for a fact. At least Devin Booker already been working with him, and you had a little bit of continuity.

You're not going to get any continuity or camaraderie getting niggas out of here every nine months. I agree with that. So then that kind of brings me to my next question. What do you guys think should be next for Monte? An even better question is, do you think the lakers should consider him as a candidate for the head coaching position he would be a great coach for the lakers but the lakers don't do well with black coaches just their history um every time they had a black, it didn't go well, and it would stop abruptly most times.

Who was that? Brian Shaw. I think even Magic tried one time. It just never went good for black coaches. Mike Brown, Darwin Ham. Just nobody black got it done. I don't like that phone. If I was Monty,

hey, old white people, how y'all doing? Oh. Oh. What's that dance he did? Look, if I'm Monty, don't get me wrong. I want to stay coaching, but not the Lakers job. It isn't like he needs any money.

He about to get 65 and some change to sit up, take a year or two. He can sit out of two years or so. He got 65. Yeah, and I'm going to be honest with you. We're going to talk about some things later in the show. Yeah, and I'm going to be honest with you. We're going to talk about some things later in the show. So my personal opinion is, and maybe we can segue into this actually next,

and I know it wasn't next, but sometimes head coaches don't need to be head coaches immediately. And you can sit there, because Monty has a plethora of, not just accolades, but job descriptions. He was the vice president, or pardon me, the president of basketball operations in San Antonio.

You know, when you work with pop in them, niggas, that's great experience to have under your belt. So it isn't just coaching experience. He has front office experience as well. So,

if I'm Monty, maybe I'll take a year off but I'll see get it where I fit in pause just not as a head coach and see where I can still keep my feet wet my face seen around the NBA okay nice and then this kind of relates a little bit so Jeff Van Gundy has agreed on a deal to become the lead assistant on Ty Lue's Clippers coaching staff. This past season, he was a senior consultant for the Celtics. As we know, they just won the chip. What do you guys think about him transitioning back into coaching

and being on the coaching staff? I was wondering where Jeff Van Gundy been all this time. If he was at the Celtics, and I think that's a phenomenal job to have, especially with consultant in it. You know, when people win the championship, everybody wants to say they work with the Celtics.

Now, the ball boy thinks he deserves an assistant coaching job. It's just, I hate when that happens, because you never really know who did what on a championship team. Anytime niggas win, everybody start taking credit. Larry, you know about this, right? Larry, I mean, it happens all the time.

People with Jeff Van Gundy, what else can he, I mean, he got a storybook career, but he should have been a coach in my perspective. Every way he went, he did a phenomenal job. So I'm not talking about him when I'm talking about people taking credit, but it just seemed like when people win, everybody starts saying what they did for the Celtics. The question was about Ty Lue Mason.

That's a good job to, you try to just shit on his whole shit with the Celtics, didn't even really answer the question about him being with the Clippers. That was real. What do you think about him joining the Clippers? I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

I was dancing around the issue. I don't like it. I hate it, actually. You know? You know, because a person like Jeff Van Gundy, he's so fiery that I don't see him playing second to Ty Lue. I would have wanted to see him with his own coaching thing. I know we keep saying this, and we're going to keep saying it

until somebody does something about it. I would have really liked to see him and Mark coach together. But, you know, since they played, I've never seen somebody who played with a coach to come back and coach with that coach so I thought that would have been phenomenal and I could see that happening in the future maybe Jeff Van Gundy gets in do a good job with um Ty Lou and then he goes and does his own thing but the Van Gundy family has always done good at coaching yeah actually he was assistant for Pat Riley with the Knicks. And before that, he was assistant at Rutgers.

So he's been an assistant a few times. And, you know, before he coached the Knicks, who better to be an assistant for than Pat Riley? Pat Riley's one of the best coaches and GMs we ever seen. But as far as Van Gundy, I like his basketball mind. Very fiery. It's a good point what Mace said. And when I'm not saying he doesn't qualify to be an assistant,

it's just that is he going to be ready to sit down? Assistants don't always be getting up and yelling and doing everything else, and he's one of them type niggas. Devin Gundy team fight. He jump on the court and start trying to tackle Alonzo Mourning. He hold niggas legs all night, Paul. Yo, yo, yo. Yo.

Yo, my man. Hold niggas legs as well. Yeah. Yo, killer. is wow I let you go yesterday here we go here we go yesterday you said stand up you go what did he say yesterday

stand up oh my goodness I forgot this Presently I stayed up all night Thinking about Yeah This nigga just

Say this to me You stayed up all night Thinking about This nigga kill us Until you on the road Don't stop Stand up I hope this is

You about to go down The rabbit hole Pause Stand up What he said I'm expecting What he Oh my goodness

I know what you just said Is just Jeff Van Gundy beholding Nick's legs. I don't know what that means. When you remember what I was talking about, that's fine. But you can bring it back up if you recall what I said. Pause. But Jeff Van Gundy beholding Nick's legs. Nick, you remember it, Nick? You remember what he said?

Yo, stand up. Oh my goodness. Make sure your hat on the screen, please, real quick. Pause, man. Yeah, pause. Thank you. And his shirt says Goosebumps. Nigga reaching right now.

Bruce Bowen. Remember Bruce Bowen right now, Pete? Yeah, where my phone at? Look, I didn't even know, to be totally honest with you, that Devere Gunney was a consultant for the Celtics. But this goes back on into my conversation here we go here we go this goes back to the lyrics we'll go lyrics let's do it because I got I got in my notes I got my notes like he's so mad

let's do it I got my notes I got my notes we gotta do it. I've been waiting for this day. I've been waiting for this day. I got my nose. That's how you know you mad. You know that that jump in got the older niggas like, got them upset. Yo, yo bro. Yo, listen here. It's all good. You can find your lyrics.

I'll go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top.

I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. I'm gonna go back to the top. Yo, bro. Yo, listen to this. It's all good. You can find your lyrics. I'll go back to the topic.

I didn't know Javier Cundi was an assistant, or pardon me, a consultant for the Celtics. It's kind of like when I was sitting next to the late, great Jerry West when we had our flight together, and he was telling me he was a consultant for the Golden State Warriors. All them years they were winning. I'm like, damn, you know, I didn't know that. I don't know if it's a gag or a pause when you're a consultant that you can't really say too much

because I didn't know Jeff Van Gundy was a consultant. I didn't know Jerry West was a consultant because when we was talking, I was saying, yo, you did a marvelous job, of course, with the Lakers and what he did to rejuvenate the Memphis Grizzlies at the time he was GM and down there was great. And I was like, what's your next move? He's like, well, you know, I've been consulting with Golden State. I'm like, you've been consulting all this time, nigga? Oh, you're one of them ones. You know how to be around them oneness.

You know what I mean? And then he went over to the Clippers. And it's just like, well, when he was with the Clippers, you knew when you're a general manager, you know who the general managers are. When you're a consultant, I think it's more of on the hush tip type shit. When you're a consultant, I think it's more of on the hush tip type shit. It's like, for instance, me and Mace went to see Phoenix play a couple games. Not this season.

It just passed the previous season. And Isaiah be lingering around the whole arena all the time. Isaiah Thomas Sr. I don't want to say Sr. The old Isaiah Thomas. And, you know, even at halftime, he's like, yo, KMAs, what y'all think about what's going on? And I'm like, if you want to pay me a consultant fee, Isaiah,

you know, I can really give you my opinion as well. But all jokes aside, come to find out that he was a quote-unquote consultant for the Phoenix Suns as well. As far as him being Ty Lue's assistant, I think this is a great hire. A lot of times, and I had this talk with Rich Paul, Rich Paul was telling me that a lot of head coaches have too much pride to want to be, former head coaches, pardon me,

have too much pride to want to be assistant head coaches after they've been head coaches and that's really the best way to get back in the league if you're not being looked at as a head coach be somebody's assistant head coach and end up winning and end up doing a good job and then you may be hired as a head coach and that's what me and rich paul had a conversation about and jeff mann gundy may see this as his way back into the league Ty Lue is looking at somebody who has a great basketball experience a great basketball mind not only that you are just fucking led helped or consulted quote-unquote the NBA championships and the reason that's big

pause is because the year he is the consultant is the year they win. Wow, what a coincidence, because they haven't been getting over the hump the last couple years. The year Jeff Van Gundy is the consultant, they win. So that's big for his resume. Congratulations. Only thing that I would say that I would be worried about, and Jeff Van Gundy knows how to conduct himself, is not getting over excited and getting off the bench to try to overstep Ty Lue at times. But if you get ejected or you can't show up to a game or something happens where you're out, you can't have a better assistant than Jeff Van Gundy, my personal opinion.

And then also on the coaching topic. So Stephen A. Smith says black coaches have an issue with J.J. Redick doing a podcast with LeBron James. After Darvin Ham's dismissal, he said, Numerous coaches, black coaches, called me expressing how they took issue with that podcast taking place. So what do you guys think about that statement? Why do you think black coaches specifically would be upset? And then him sharing that information. Cam, this is Cam, people.

Well, what I'll say is I did some homework after we talked the other day because you was asking if Joe Mazzulla is the best black coach in the NBA, and 50% of the league is black coaches actually right now, and 13% of people of color are GMs right now. So we got some niggas in power when it comes to coaching right now. Niggas is in the building. So we don't have to worry about the best black coach or white coach or whatever.

It isn't the NFL. You can't say nothing. We got niggas up there as far as head coaches. As far as what Steve and A. Smith said, say the black coaches who was mad. Say them niggas. Tell them who was mad. And then did he say why they were mad?

Or just because... All he said was, some of them felt very salty just about them doing... I think, and I'm just going to interpret what he said. I'm thinking because, you know, Garvin Ham had a dismissal, and now you gave, you know,

J.J. Redick an opportunity on your podcast. They might just feel like... Gotcha. You let a brother brother go but now you got him up here right but didn't the podcast start before darwin ham got fired um apparently it was like right around the same time so while he was already being talked about being let go in other words which from what you're telling me from interpreting with stephen a smith is saying is that that niggas is hitting him talking about this nigga going to run around with this white nigga when we need jobs. That's what I'm taking. That's what I'm saying.

That's the only thing I can interpret from what Statt is reading. You're going to go with this nigga and you know black niggas need jobs. But with my homework and my due diligence the last few days, we in there. You can't get mad. Yeah, you can't say that if all of them got jobs. If 50% of the league is 15 black coaches and 14 white head coaches, which means there's one coach that's not black or white.

So it's more black coaches than white coaches. So I get it. It's been times and eras to where black coaches have not been, I mean, black people have not been hired as coaches. We have not been in GM office. But the league has turned into where they're giving black people opportunity. So I can't even get mad at, when I say not get mad, pardon me, let me make sure I say this right.

I can't get mad at LeBron for doing a podcast with JJ Redick even if he is scouting for the job because it's like it's only one or two black head coaches. If it's only one or two, then I dig it. If LeBron is sitting there playing chess with a nigga on a podcast to see who his next coach is going to be, you can't be mad at niggas who use their power

for whatever they want to use it for. Bro, we sitting there and watch the motherfucker. Yo, you know what y'all niggas want to be mad about, son? Be mad that two roster spots in the NBA are being filled up by the Greek Freaks brother. You want to be mad about something? Be mad about that. The fuck is you talking about?

You mad this man is starting a podcast or playing chess on live YouTube or whatever to see who potentially could be his next coach. And he's saying out there, it's not my head coach. I'm not going to be around much longer. What the Lakers should be looking for is Anthony Davis' next head coach because I'm in and out. Pause.

You don't know how long LeBron is. Now, LeBron is looking sensational. LeBron's actually looking like he can play another five, six, seven years to me. Honestly, I don't know if I, over time, going to catch up to him and just grab him by the collar one day or what, but it doesn't look like he's declining for somebody that's going to be 40 years old this year. Are they getting mad like J.J. Redick is like the Caitlin Clark?

Is it kind of like giving that vibe? I wouldn't say that. I think this is a little bit different. I think just because it's like when you put it that way, it sounds like that type of vibe. It sounds similar. But it's still a little different. Like black people getting upset that this young white person is coming in

and getting the job opportunity and getting the light and they don't like it, right? Because they feel like they didn't do the work, right? For the role that they're in. It's very similar. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you could kind of put it that way because that's just what it seems like on paper, but I'm like, maybe it's something else.

What do you think, PT? Is it similar? Very favorable. What do you think, Kayla? It sound like the same vibe with Kalen? I think, to be totally honest with you, niggas hating on the podcast. That's what it sound like to me. It don't even got nothing to do with the culture.

Niggas is out here oversaturating the market. LaBrosha might be doing good. I don't know if he's doing good or not. But niggas trying to say, oh, the coaches is mad out here and this, that, and the third. Let that man do his podcast, my nigga. What the fuck you talking about? At the end of the day, he's not hiring the coach to be the next Laker coach. That's Jeannie Buss, Rob Palenka's job.

Will they ask him his opinion? Maybe. Possibly. Most likely, yes. But this sounds more like hating on the podcast than anything else to me. That's what it sounds like to me. Who could be hating on this podcast? You just said niggas is hating on the podcast.

But you said coaches. Yeah, but at the end of the day, I don't think... To answer your question correctly, it's the coaches, but it's the niggas around the coaches. And the niggas who probably filtering using coaches as the excuse. Yeah, exactly.

Yo, let's say... Yo, let's say the coaches is mad. Niggas is outsourcing the hate. I don't think there's that many coaches mad. I'm never going to disagree with Stephen A. Smith's sources ever. Not a little bit. But let's just do this. Let's do the math I just told you, right? It's 15 black coaches, right?

Did all 15 call them? No. Did five call them? Maybe. So five niggas is mad? I don't see coaches being mad at the podcast. No, I'm just saying, let's just do the math, right? If it's 15 black head coaches,

even if all 15 coaches call Stephen A. Smith, it's 15 niggas yeah so who's really mad even if you got all let's say you do 66 which would be 10 of them oh 10 niggas is mad at the podcast whoopty fucking dudes be mad i think it's all the other people around surrounding who podcast not popping coaches with a declining record niggas who on the earth verge of being fired niggas nephews and sisters and brothers and cousins who talking about

dad you wouldn't want to coach the Lakers all that it's 15 black coaches how many niggas could be really mad if all 15 niggas was mad at me and i'm lebron i'm like i don't give a fuck whatever add them to 15 niggas to the other millions of niggas who be hating on me anyway they're basically saying you giving him all the interviews and not us because they're looking at the podcast now that i heard

everyone speak they're looking at the podcast like Now that I heard everyone speak, they're looking at the podcast like you're giving them the alley-oop for the job. Let other people come in here and get the same type of interview. Ronnie James worked out for the Suns yesterday. And then just to kind of add to your point, because I think that is how it's being interpreted and honestly i don't really know exactly how the inside information works for them but i mean if steven a is close with a couple coaches and he calls them because i doubt coaches are calling

specifically and be like yeah you seen that lebron james podcast like i don't like it he's probably asked him like how do you feel about this and the general you know topic is like for him to be on a podcast with somebody who could potentially be his head coach, a lot of people feel some type of way about it because that's not a normal route. Well, listen, just to intervene, and I know it's potential head coaching.

Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart have a podcast. Tom Thibodeau would be on there. Niggas mad at that? I know that's already, they coach already. But this nigga, what is Tom Thibodeau doing up there with his players? Like, yo, what the fuck are you talking about?

It don't even make, yo, them niggas got a podcast. Thibodeau just was on there last week. Jalen Brunson was asking them, like, yo, what do you say to all the people that say you play us too many minutes? Niggas said, fuck them niggas.

I do what I want to do. Y'all in shape, right? Told them niggas on their podcast that. You in shape, right? You know what I'm saying? So I know this is a potential head coach as opposed to somebody who's already coaching, but yo, this is the ever we and niggas is talking. And if it's somebody that you may be working with or not working with, it is what it is.

That's just my opinion on it. That's a good point. Obviously, this is all of our, like, interpretations. You know, I read the quote of what was said. You guys can do what you want with that information. But let us know what you guys think about LeBron having a podcast so we're gonna go to break when we return we will talk about Paul George's next steps don't go anywhere Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day.

We did WNBA picks. So tonight, the Liberty will play the Sparks. Underdog fantasy has Breonna Stewart at nine rebounds. Do you have her higher or lower, Mace? Breonna Stewart? Higher. Higher. Hey, Sabrina is at six and a half assists.

Do you have her higher or lower, Cam? Sabrina who? Inescu. Lower. Yep, lower. Hey, and Rekia Jackson is at ten and a half points. Do you have her higher or lower, Mason? I don't know who Rekia is.

She was just drafted. Yeah, she's nice. Yeah. How many? Ten and a half points. I'm going higher. Yeah. I like her name. And. I'm going higher.

I like her name. And she loves sexy joint, too. I'm betting on you, boo. Underdog code. You under code Cam now, ma. Yeah. You are officially under code Cam, baby. And I'm going to be watching.

And listen. Rekia, Skylar Diggins, I'm going to come up, matter of fact, I'm going to bring my list tomorrow. Whenever y'all get fined, hit me. I got y'all. I'm paying y'all fines.

So do what y'all got to do. Do what y'all got to do. It's trick daddy time. Yeah, I'all gotta do. Get on his trick daddy, Bob. Yeah, I'm at that age. I got a budget. I'm at the age of Rekia, Scarlett Diggins, and I'm going to get a list of about four other people. If they act funny with y'all, do what you gotta do.

I'm paying the fine. I got y'all. Download the Underdog Fantasy app, and you can make your picks too. Okay, so let's discuss Paul George. There's a lot of buzz around him right now because he could become an unrestricted free agent this summer. He said in a podcast, I want to contribute to winning basketball, but at this point, it's not even about chasing a championship,

but it's playing the right style of basketball. That's what he's chasing. What do you guys think his next steps should be? If he's talking about the style of basketball he should be playing, this is Paul George, right? He definitely got to get out of there because they're not playing that kind of basketball. There have been all kinds of rumors and speculations about this team now that we're hearing that jeff van gundy is going out there it just seemed like they're moving in a direction where they have to make changes and change is inevitable i mean they're gonna keep kawai if he stays healthy and they gotta keep um they gotta, they got to resign Paul George, but they might be on the move with,

with James Harden. And I, and I know, um, what you call it is really, I got to look at what Jeff Van Gundy used to always say about, um, what's his name?

Uh, man, James Harden, because either he's fond of James Harden or he's probably saying some different things. And I got to go back and look at that because that's going to play into the dynamic if he's not a person that really thinks James Harden

should play the way that he normally plays. I think he's a phenomenal player, but they've been talking about little whispers about trading him for Trey Young. That would be interesting. But I'm not sure that fixes everything. They still need a big man like Nas Reid or one of them type of people, an athletic big. That's when they're going to really make some noise in the West.

But until they get an athletic big, it doesn't matter what poor George does with the Clippers. I would like to see him at 76ers. I think that's the perfect place for him to play. Take his talents to Philadelphia. When he said those comments, when were they and who asked them and what exactly? So it wasn't concerning the exact trait

because he hasn't said anything about that next, but they are just asking him what he was looking for and he said basically he's not tasting great. And what kind of atmosphere was he in? It was a casual podcast. Let me find exactly which one. Yeah, he said the style of play. You know, that's a shot.

That's what I'm trying to figure out what this was saying. Okay, you can take your time. I'm going purely off the comment of what he said, and it's definitely a shot to me, is saying that his teammates aren't playing the right style of basketball. You got some information? Yeah, it was actually on his podcast.

Okay. Yeah. Play off P. So I get my shit off on my own shit. Pause. To me, I don't know who the shot is at, but it's definitely a shot. I don't know if it's in Ty Lue.

I don't know if it's at James Harden and Russell Westbrook. I don't know if it's at Kawhi Leonard. They are supposed to come there and do something special, but Kawhi Leonard's never available, and that may go into his decision of staying with the Clippers or not. What I will say is this. With Jeff Van Gundy staying there, they may convince him to stay one more year

because it's only one more year that he has on his contract. How old is Paul George when you get a second? So he only has one more year on his contract if he stays. And that's totally up to him. 34. Yeah, so he'll probably get another after this year, another four or five-year contract. I don't know about five, four-year deal,

whether it be with Philadelphia or wherever he goes. But I don't think that he's happy. You have to think about this. Him and Kawhi Leonard coming to the Clippers was supposed to be the big deal, the new show in town, fuck the Lakers, et cetera, et cetera, and you get bumped in the first round. DeLuca and Kyrie Irving, and it's probably annoying because Paul George is a nine-time All-Star.

He's made NBA first team one time. And we actually had a segment on this show maybe a couple months ago about how Younger's players, not just this season, previous seasons on our show, where players are saying, you know, we made it into a joke and then come to find out a lot of players think that Paul George is the best player of this generation, including Carmelo Anthony's son. So what I don't want to see is him chasing the championship because then it just looks whack. Like, I don't like how David West towards the end was chasing the championship

or Karl Malone going to the Lakers or Gabby Payton going to the Lakers and then eventually getting one with Miami. It just looks like you're chasing the championship, and Paul George is too good of a player just to go from team to team to try and win a championship. Even James Harden to a certain extent. But the reason I respect James Harden is because James Harden won the championship. Even James Harden to a certain extent. But the reason I respect James Harden is because James Harden won the championship so bad that he turned down a deal years ago with the

Houston Rockets for 103 million, I believe it was, for two years to try and win a championship. And when you turn down that kind of money, that means you want to win bad. And look where it's at. He still hasn't gotten the championship. Left there, went to Boston, went to Philadelphia, went to the Clippers, still haven't won the championship. I don't like when players seem like they're chasing the championship. But Paul George, I get it. You're 34 years old. 33?

Yeah, 34. 33, 34, pardon me. And that's what people want before they go, especially when you're financially secure for the rest of your life. You want that ring before you retire. I don't think what Mace said is a bad idea at all. Him with the Sixers would be really, really good. But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion

that the Sixers will win a championship with him. Boston looked spectacular. The Knicks weren't healthy all season. Miami wasn't healthy. We know Joe Embiid is a monster. Tyrese Maxey came into his own. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that East with the Sixers

going to the championship with him. I don't see that. And I'm not saying they can't get there. I just don't think that it's a foregone conclusion. Okay. And then Pascal Siakam agreed to a new four-year $9.5 million dollar max contract to return to the pacers you guys think that this is a good decision how much money again 189.5 million yeah he can't turn that down There's no way He could turn that type of money down

To go back to Indiana Because on any other team I don't think he makes that amount He's a good player But now Looking at the league I don't think he makes that anywhere else Because

Now that the deals are even going higher, people are trying to load up their team with other max players. So every team already got the players that they want. It's not like three years ago when everybody was trying to build super teams, it was more money. I think at that time and now the more money is coming from people who are just reallocating the money from the same team. So I'm really happy that he's getting that money, and he's getting it from them, but they're on the hunt for another player.

So this would be a place he can get 200-something if they didn't need another player. But the way they played this postseason, they're in need of another player. The nigga, look, this guy's from Africa. No disrespect, I'm talking about making a long way. 189 million niggas can't be born in America and make that. That goes to show part of his work ethic.

And he came along, and not just him, anybody that comes from that continent i mean it's in the most sincere way it's way more resources and stuff that they have now you know even the wmba um having nba out there um imagine the work ethic that you have to go through to even get an opportunity to leave, to go play somewhere else, to be seen in the NBA. Like we said, it's been less than 5,000 players in the NBA. So when I see Bo Bo Sr., Bo Bo Jr., Joel Embiid, Pasau Siakam,

making these strides and getting here. I want to give them more credit than anything in the world because it's not a lot of eyes on a lot of people in those. I don't know what exactly, I know he's from Cameroon, but I don't know what the basketball scene like is in Cameroon. But just to get the opportunity to be here, I want to say that before I even talk about this contract. That's a big accomplishment and salute to you.

Not just that. You come here, you go to college, you get here, you don't even go to the NBA directly. You go to the D League. You win the finals. You're the finals MVP pours in the D League. And then you get to the NBA your first year. Not your first year, 2019, you become most improved player.

Then you become an NBA champion. Now you're up to almost $200 million. I just think the road for him to get to this check, that's why I want to state everything that I said, is a big accomplishment more than being a max player, more than if the Indiana Pacers need him or not. Just the road for him to get to that dollar amount is truly amazing. Back to more of what works for the Pacers and what works for him. He's great.

Look, at the end of the day, when these agents negotiate, we have to keep in mind that all these accolades or all these games that they win are part of negotiation. Look, my nigga, we could take our business somewhere else, but I didn't see nobody else in the Eastern Conference finals. Again, we lost to the champs, nigga. And not only that, we ain't have the star player that y'all say, Halliburton, that y'all nigga. I had to do what I had to do.

It was basically me out there and the teacher and a couple other niggas, but Halliburton wasn't even available. I did what I had to do against the champs. Fuck y'all want me to do. Now, I know some niggas who are looking for me, who's interested in my talents, but I would love to stay here. And in the end, the Pacers, I think did the right thing

because you got somebody who's gonna work hard. Like I just said, because of, not just because of his journey, but you could tell he works hard. You have somebody who knows what it takes to win a championship. You got somebody who's gonna give you full effort every time he's on the court. So I think this was a good move on the paces and i wish him much luck and

congratulations yeah and to go with what killer said he got his money on juneteenth yeah even better even better even better man okay and then let's talk football real quick so trevor lawrence signed a five-year 275 million dollar extension in the NFL overall when it comes to guaranteed money Trevor Lawrence ranks fourth behind Deshaun Watson Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert with Lamar Jackson after him at 185 million dollars do you guys feel like Trevor Lawrence's deal is too high. To say it's too high will probably sound like hate, but $55 million a year is a lot of money.

Just think about that. As a quarterback, you're getting $55 million. And I mean, you live in Jacksonville. $55 million in Jacksonville is like $85 million. It got to be multiplied. It would be like $55 million in Mississippi, right? That got to be worth $100, right? It's like getting $100 million a year. Does he mean $100 million to Jacksonville a year?

I don't know about that. That's a lot of money. And I don't think that when it comes to the Jacksonville Jaguars, that they're playing good enough to really, like, acquire that kind of money. I think they need to put more money into the rest of their team. I would definitely want them to get paid. $250 would have been really good.

$275 is, like, we're missing a few pieces if you want Jacksonville to win. That would be my honest assessment. Because it's not like they perform greatly in the playoffs. I mean, you know me, I think of wins. So when people ain't winning, I don't think it merit a lot of money. Like Killer was saying about Detroit early in the show, can't be paying niggas a bunch of money and they ain't winning i think at some point you gotta this money gotta turn into wins and i don't see that happening

may say may initially started off his statement with it seems like like he don't want to seem like he hating. I'm hating. I don't want to pay you that shit, nigga. You got long hair. That's the only reason they paid you that shit, nigga. You got the complexion for the connection. There's no reason he should be getting that much fucking money. I don't care what they say. I'm hating.

You getting more than Lamar Jackson, nigga? You only been over 500. You've been in the league three seasons. You've been over 500 one time. Your first rookie year, you was 3-14. The one time you was 9-8. That's what I'm counting over, 500. And then you finished last year 8-8, which is 500, but it's not over 500.

Deshaun Watson started this shit when he got that guarantee, $250 million. Then it trickled down to Joe Barrow, then it trickled down to Lamar Jackson, and now niggas like you think you deserve that money. No, nigga, you don't, my nigga. Joe Barrow been to the Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson's a two-time league MVP.

Deshaun Watson, I may say he may not deserve it, but people are looking at his upside. He had a decent career in Houston before he got to the Browns, and the Browns were so desperate that they paid him that money. And I know all these other owners are mad at the Cleveland Browns owner because he set this precedent. And when you set that precedent, now you like, if Mace owned a fucking team and I own a team,

and PT on a team and Larry on the team, Stat too, whatever, I'm just saying, if we don't own teams and we kicking it, yo nigga, fucking talking about it. Larry Gay this nigga too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck you talking about my quarterback kicking your ass, y'all want quarterback kicking your ass.

Larry jumps out the window and be like, know who I got, nigga. Yo, Larry, why'd you give him 250? I'm tired of y'all talking shit to me, man. Y'all keep talking crazy to me, man. I'm not going to have it. Yeah, but you fucking shit up. Now, Mace quarterback, Stack quarterback, Pete quarterback. Listen, man, that nigga, he been on a handjob retreat for the last

year and a half. And he got 250. He got 250. We don't even know if he like that. Yeah. He ain't playing a year and a half. He gave 250. I'm out here killing niggas, and you talking about 190? I'm gonna have to sit in minicamp out and all that, man.

I'm going to have to chill out. I'm not going to make it to OTAs and all that until we figure something out. And with the Cleveland Browns setting that precedent, you got niggas like the Jacksonville Jaguars saying, let's get this shit out the way. Because don't get me wrong, Trevor Lawrence had a decent season last year, but it didn't translate into wins like mason outstanding college career as well but that does not mean you're going to get the job done and i think this was a premature um deal that they gave him i'm not

saying this contract isn't up and they don't need to resign him but god damn, bro. Not Trevor Lawrence, bro. No. If you prove me wrong, listen, you got all summer and 17 games to say, Cam, shut the fuck up. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And I'll shut up. But if you asking me in June,

today, more guaranteed money than Lamar Jackson, then don't get me wrong. He hasn't been to the Super Bowl yet, but he's proven it. He went there last year and snatched, snatched on a nigga home field the league MVP out of nigga's hands, out of Brock Purdy. Give me that. Give me that, nigga. That's your king?

Give me that. Fuck out of here. That's what he did. And I know that doesn't translate into a Super Bowl win, but we watched that with our own eyes. So Trevor Lawrence, I don't really like hating on niggas getting their money, but this particular situation, out of many situations that I didn't hate, I'm going to have to hate until further notice.

Nigga, sit on my half face. Yo Trev, he feels strong about that. Killer, you gonna end up in Trevor's commercial next. Yeah, hey yo listen, and Trevor will be in the next freestyle. After that, I got balls for anybody who play games with me, man. If you wanna take it beyond that, that's on you.

I'll just add, I don't think Trevor Lawrence wants any smoke. But, like, Jacksonville does like him, so shout out to him. They don't like him. They love that nigga. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think for the Jaguars, like, it's hope. So, we'll see. Maybe we'll step it up.

Well, listen, I agree with y'all, Jacksonville hasn't been good for a long time. Yeah. So, you know, the thing about it to me and totally agreeing

with what you two are saying, he has a great image as well. He's tall, paws, he could do them hair commercials. Sell hair. Yeah,

you know what I'm saying? Southern wife. Yeah, you know, he's not just white. He's got a pinch of red. That counts down there. When you're red, that counts.

Them Confederate states with them flags. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that counts, man. He definitely got the good old boy image. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Make it South Carolina, and then you're not far from where you played college at. You're not too far, like all that area. You know, listen, let me tell you something.

When I drive once in a while, and I haven't done it in a while, but when I drive from New York to Florida, when I get in that little loop between South Carolina and Jacksonville, I drive with two hands and I look straight and I do 55 miles per hour and I don't get eye contact with anybody. I try not to stop for gas in between South Carolina, Georgia, and Jacksonville. I promise you, I don't now. When I get to Orlando, I start getting a little, you know, that little cut between South Carolina, Georgia, and Jacksonville on 95. Don't play no games over there, man.

They take Madison to their own hands. God, no disrespect, and I don't even mean to bring it up and be down on the show. There's a lot of murders and shit. A lot. Actually. Yeah, like, bro, it was a kid just going jogging. Niggas started on the show. There's a lot of murders and shit. A lot. Actually. Yeah, like, bro. It was a kid just going jogging.

Niggas started hunting the nigga. Well, sundown towns are still. Pardon me? Sundown towns. Sundown. Yeah, I don't even know what they were. Your cowboy had that nigga. No, like, you cannot go in those areas at night.

Like, no, niggas. But that's what I'm trying to say. Y'all know sundown towns. Thank y'all for teaching me that phrase. But the's what I'm trying to say. Y'all know Sundown Towns. Thank y'all for teaching me that phrase. But the shit I see was in the daytime. Blessings. Yeah. Real talk.

God bless. All of my black folks and colored folks down there in that area. I love y'all and be safe, man. Yeah. Jacksonville is definitely Sundown. Not Jacksonville, but certain areas in different cities. It's a thing, for real.

Gainesville, all of that is sundown. A lot of them. Okay, that's all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is. What you want, nigga? Everything nigga supersize Two big necks Like when they doing them two for five