IT IS WHAT IT IS - WHICH COACHES SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR JOB IN THE NFL, DAWN STALEY ALMOST COACHED THE KNICKS, THE PROS AND CONS OF SOCIAL MEDIA!

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

On this episode, Maurice Clarett is back on the show & we ask ourselves how did we get here with some of the noise going on outside in the world! Then we talk about a team that Ma$e will never root for, the Jets, who are winless and coach Aaron Glenn might be in trouble. Speaking of NFL Coaches, which ones should be on the hot seat for how they’ve been playing through the first 3rd of the NFL Season. Next, we talk about Coach Dawn Staley’s comments about her almost becoming the New York Knicks coach this summer & we have a passionate debate over whether or not this would be a good move for her and are we ready for this as a society. Lastly, Lebron James says that now a days there are A LOT of Pros and Cons to social media and why is everyone so sensitive in this generation  Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace and Cam, and today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Moe was good. Killer was good, man. What's good, Joe? What's happening, man? How's everybody doing today, man? Yeah, man, how did we get here, man? That's all of some days I just wake up, wasn't it?

how did we get here that's all i want to ask how did we get here man it's just i had no idea man man that's a really great question yeah when you live in a good life man i don't my problems is is is did the lawn man come to cut the grass is the pool clean you know i don't have these kind of problems man my life is easy man beautiful wife beautiful life great kids man they can have it man

I'm bawling out killer Oh shit Oh shit, man Oh shit And then that's a dangerous place man Every day I wake up The more and more bullshit

The whole lot Man Oh man This is a wild place man But you're right murder You made a great point Our problems is

the other niggas a luxury, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. The nanny took the wrong car, you know, stuff like that. I don't have any.

Yeah, exactly. I don't see how y'all do it, for real. Not to be honest with you, murder, it's to be honest with you, you, the thing about it is that you don't know is that,

You win it too. You just don't pay it no money. You bring you up a month. You bring you up about twice a month. You just don't air it. You just like paying no mind. You're too high for them. You too high for the number of boys to reach you, but you double.

you're definitely in it is Moe in it too fours, is Moe in it? Nah, no, no, Mo ain't in it, man. Mo ain't in it, man. You know why Mo ain't in it? Moe isn't in it because he only on one day a week.

Let him be two days a week. He'll be in it. Oh, man. They'll find a reason. They'll bring. but they'll drag Moe back into the way he don't want to be. Yeah, man. Not saying he's feeding him that.

First of all, this is what I'm trying to tell you. First of all, for we even get started with the show, they don't want to see black T-shirt, Mo. Where the suits that, Mo? I'm telling you, black T-shirt, Mo, it's dangerous, nigga. Black T-shirt mode is dangerous, nigga. Yeah, Mo, where you shoot at, Mo? You're sure that.

I said the show earlier this week. I got the suits in the closet. it over there, but when I see y'all dress it down, I said, I thought this was dressed down attire, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, you ain't lying. Yeah, until I get back in the studio, I'm actually, pardon me to all the fans

and everybody, I'm just in the middle of wrapping some business up in Miami, just taking me a little longer to get back than I thought, but my apologies for not being in the studio. But I'll be back, if not tomorrow, the day after, and then I'm not going to be out. the studio until Christmas. So, just my

apologies, because they like when I'm in the studio, like the energy better, my apologies. Yeah. All good. Well, glad to see everybody. Is there anything? Anybody else wants to get off their chest? Are we good? Yo, stay. Yo, stay.

Is you win it? Do they be able to? Am I by default? At this point? By default? Maybe. No, no, I'm just saying, no, no, I'm just saying, dude, do you got people hating on you like, why you ain't doing a better job in reading the questions or giving

your opinion or why you ain't wearing your hair like that? Like, do you get that? That's why I said by default, yes, intentionally no. Okay, good. Because just by being seen, somebody always going to have something to say, you know? Here and there, people have things to say. And yes, it is, oh, why did you read the question like that? Why does she talk like that? that I don't give a damn at this point at all. I'm going to just do me and I'm the best at doing me. There you go. That's that. There you go. Yeah. Okay. So we're going to actually start with the Jets. Usually we start with the winners, but today we're going to start with the losers. So they're the only

team in the NFL that hasn't won a game yet. Aaron Glenn is the first Jets coach to begin his career with six straight losses. Maurice, how much longer do you think this is going to keep going? And And then what are the next steps here? Yeah, I personally don't think that Aaron Glenn will make it through half of the season if they don't get a victory before they get to O&10. And, you know, it just says what it is. I think just a black coach in New York losing with just the media and all of the attention around the brand.

I just don't think that he makes it halfway through the season. And, you know, he's the one who, you know, chose a. go over or not go over but not choose Aaron Rodgers for his year come back for you to hear to come back he chose Justin Fields I believe and so I don't think he makes it through half of the season if

he doesn't get a victory before week 10 11 yeah I think is I think the same thing Mo said you know it's just hard to lose when you're you're a black coach in in New York City and a coach like that he's supposed to

take off winning from the jump you know he can't even be 500 it's not like he's um mike tomlin or anything so with that being stated he got a win and he got to win now or like most said i don't even think half of the season i think two more games if he doesn't turn this around he's out of there i wouldn't give him half of the season look and i think my personal opinion is that the only reason that he ain't fired is because the organization of the Jets would just look way more dysfunctional than they already are, which we know it's a dysfunctional organization. You got to think about it.

You fire the coach that you had that was on the way to get in y'all somewhere. Defensive-minded coach, you think you're bringing in Aaron Rogers to help with some of the offense. He gets hurt his first season. Second season, he comes back. You can see him not necessarily embracing the coach. But Aaron Rogers did that in Green Bay with Matt LaFleur when he was, didn't embrace him. You know, he's older than Matt, I believe if I'm not mistaken. And he felt he had more football knowledge than him, even though that was the head coach, he was undermining him.

With this situation now, so you think about this, you got a head coach that you find, got your quarterback that's supposed to help your organization out, not do good. Not only not do good before he left, he started seeming like he was the GM, bringing people in with him, from Green Bay. Then trade this person for that person and get one of my receivers back, et cetera. That didn't work out. Now you got this coach

starting off at 0 and 6. And the only reason I believe he's not fired yet is because the Jax don't know where to go from here and even if they have somewhere to go from here, they just don't want to look like them.

We're busting all these moves and nothing's paying off and it just looks more dysfunctional than it already is. Look, we got to think about this. Tennessee, even though we know the coach said some slick shit about Care Ward, he got fired, and at least he got

one win, and he already fired. I think that the longer you wait, the worst of the be for this season, even though it's basically a washer already, but I don't even know if two wins to save his job. And the answer you guys' question, the answer the question stat, I don't know

if he gets fired this season, whether he goes 0 and 17, 1 in 16, 2, and 15, team, whatever the case may be, because what do you do right now if you're the Jets? You fire him and do what? Who are you bringing in? I mean, there's a plethora of coach people out there that would love to coach a team. But if that doesn't equal out the wins, what do you do?

So I don't have a direct answer, but I do agree with murder and the nigger Mo that he probably won't make it, but does that make it better for organization? And that's the real question. If we fire him, is this going to improve the order? organization. I don't know. I don't have to answer. Yeah, it's definitely just a bad situation all around for the Jets. So that leads me to my next question. What coaches do you guys think are on the hot seat right now, aside obviously from Aaron Glenn. Marys? I think just my Browns or Kevin Stefansky. You know, I think that, you know, just with

the shuffling of quarterbacks and just not having a decision on the offensive side of the ball or having an answer on that side of the ball with the heavy investment going into their new stadium. You can't keep on going on and moving forward with somebody who's not progressing the organization or it seems like you're just running on a hamster wheel. So I would say aside from Aaron Glenn, I would say in Cleveland,

and just in Ohio in general, I think that the entire fan base is ready for somebody else. And so I would say Kevin Stefanski is on a hot seat with how he's mismanaged what's been going on in Cleveland for the last, number of years he's been up there. I would go as far as saying, I know it's probably hard to believe, but John Harbour, people may feel like I don't know what I'm talking about, but I think these are two seasons that

they expected to win. They expected the win last year, and they definitely expected to win this year. And sometime you just can't wait around three and four years, even though somebody is supposed to be promising. It just doesn't seem like that is going to happen with them there. he may be very well on the hot seat and then when I think about um who else um that's who I would go with for now so I won't have to use Mo's take okay and camp yeah we talk about stefansky 100% more is correct even though he got hired this year we're going to go with

kelly more uh with the New Orleans Saints and I know he's a new coach for the Saints but you're in the same position that Tennessee is in. And we respect, you know, whether the Saints have good quarterback and not good quarterback States is another organization that you're expecting to at least make the playoffs in the last few years, they've just been very disappointing. So I'm going to go with Kellynmore. And like I said, I know since the first year, they might give them some time. And lastly, I always say his name wrong, but the Bull from...

The Giants. I think, yeah, the Giants. I just think that he was on a hot seat before the season started. I think him and the GM is on a hot seat. And that's why, you know, he's looking for Jackson Dart to save his job. And if Jackson Dart plays well and they do decent, he'll have a job next year. But I think if this Jackson Dart, you know, party, coming out party, whatever you want to call that, doesn't go well, and let's just say New York goes on a six, seven game,

lose a slide, like let's say they lose five out of six, whatever. I don't know they're scheduled all having in front of me. But he's been on the hot seat before the season started, and I really believe that they're going to let him finish the season. But if they don't finish 500 and they don't make the playoff, I don't know about the playoffs, but definitely if not 500, he's out of here. And the general manager is out of here. What about Mike Medellan, you down there in Miami?

Miami is playing horrible right now. One in five, I think he'll be another great candidate to be on the hot seat. Yeah, I would, I didn't throw him in it. No, I would throw him in there as well. Yeah, he's definitely on the hot seat because with two or not playing well, with all of the, all the injuries, they need somebody to blame. They can't really blame it on Tarek Hill. I look for all of the fingers to be pointed at Mike McDaniel if he doesn't turn it around.

They definitely got to get them out of there. Yeah. Yeah, I said that yesterday. I was telling niggas, I was like, yo, even though, you know, we talked about it back-to-back, Mike, and we talked about the coach for the Jets. And I used the analogy of juice for the coach of the Jets, but it's the same thing with Mike McDaniel.

When Tua got up there post-game and was talking about it starts with leadership. That was basically saying, get this nigga out of here. He'd be like, yo, no, it starts with leadership, yada, yada, yada, yada, y'all. Nah, that was just a sign to say, get this nigga out of here because he don't know what he's doing. And so, yeah, that's a great take mate. But, yeah, that's kind of alluded to what I was saying yesterday. And I know I used it for the Jets, and I said Mike McDonald. But once Tua said that, we already see his dysfunction because Mike McDonald actually responded to Tua.

And he was too and no better than that. I'm paraphrasing, but he says some shit like that, too, and no, he shouldn't be talking like that. And I was like, all right, we already know his dysfunction in Miami, but now y'all letting the cat out the bag. Let me ask you all the question. You know when niggas say who let the cat out the bag? Who put the cat in the bag?

I know you're being dead ass. Yeah, like, where's that come from? No, but for real, where is that statement generated from? Right. I don't know. I don't know. We put the cat in the bag. My bag.

I just wonder. Sometimes I'll just be wondering shit. No, that's a great question. And, you know, I will look for the origin over a course of days, but I don't have the answer for that right now. But it's like a list of things that you've asked. just like over time. Yeah, that's good.

Spreadsheet of like the question and the answer because you have good questions. And now I'm curious. Who let the cat? Figure it out. Is you typing it right now? It's not going to show you. You got to look into the books to see the origins. Okay.

I'm going to find it. Who let the dogs out? See, wrong. The wrong. And that's a good question too. Okay. So while Mace searches that up, we're going to move on to Don Stanley. I got it.

Okay. What's it say? I'm not going to tell y'all just yet. Go ahead. That's why we got to look through some things. Okay, so Don Staley, she was interviewed by the Knicks for the head coaching job, and she stated that she would have taken the job if the Knicks had made an offer. But more recently, she elaborated that she thinks the NBA isn't ready for a woman as head coach.

She said, if the Knicks had a five-game losing streak, it's not going to be about the losing streak. She said, quote, it's going to be about being a female coach. So you as an organization, a franchise, you have to be prepared for and strong enough to ignore those type of instances when you're going to look at hiring a female coach. So, Maurice, what's your take on this? And then when do you think that this can change? It will never change. I don't think when you're talking about professional basketball or football, you know, just two like alpha male strong, dominated sports. you know oftentimes when you're talking about you know sports and trying to win championships

you're always talking about who's the coach to be a leader of men and most of the times when you're coaching guys it's you know coaching people through tough moments are being a little bit more aggressive with them when you know things go wrong and lead them in the right direction are players even buying into you know the coaches pedigree of who they who they coached and what they've done with that player and so on and so forth. And so I don't see a woman having the ability to influence professional men, especially who make a ton of money and who have a ton of basketball knowledge. And that's not to negate or take anything away from women.

But it just will be tough for things like that. Some things sound good in theory. And I know we're all about equal rights for men and women and just things from a societal standpoint. You want them to be measured different, but I just don't see women being able, not to say that they don't have the talent, too. I just don't see men buying in enough to allow women to coach them either, basically being in the professional football ranks as a head coach or the professional basketball ranks as a basketball coach. I just don't really get the concept. Why would you want a woman to coach men?

I really don't understand that. Why would you want, you will want that stat? I always try to make it a stat question. That question. That's an eternal answer. I mean, I will go when you're fully done with your take. Yeah, because I think about it even if I'm watching like Pee Wee League or Pop Warner, I wouldn't even want to see a mother coaching a little football team. I just think certain things that are just for men. Like, I'm one of those people. I'm a traditionalist, not chauvinistic, but definitely a traditionalist. I believe in men doing menly things and women doing womanly things. That's just my belief.

But what else? That's where I'll stop right there. Oh, you want me to go now? Yeah, I want to hear what you got. I don't know. When I hear that and you're totally entitled to your own opinion, it's just like I just think it's a very old way of thinking because that's to me it's not the same thing. Like I'm saying this is not the same thing.

But when I hear that, I would think back then we're like, whoa, why would a black person be in this position? Like, I just think that some things are for white people. Like, I don't think black people, that's kind of how I, and it's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. That's why I'm not saying that. This is my opinion. That's how I hear that. Yeah, but you also like your quarterback with pink nail polish.

My quarterback doesn't have pink nail polish. You know, so. Yeah. My quarterback doesn't have pink nail polish. I just think in general, like, I just think. No, I'm also. thinking from like maternal, like if she's pregnant and doesn't know it yet and little kids are running by and they hit her in the stomach by accident, it's just so, it's a reason why,

you know, God made women women and he made men men. I just really believe that. I believe if he wanted you to be a man, he would have made you a man. I just don't think the first thing to be worried about his little kids going and punching the head coach's stomach. No, I mean like, you know, how they're tackling you if you've been to football practice like little things that they do you know how a coach could be on the field moe maybe this is my experience i totally understand what you're saying but i'm saying as far as like list of priorities to like least important like that is not at the top of the list of like things to be worried about okay i i think i think it's something but i think men become better when they led by men. I just really believe that. Well, that's a stronger statement.

I believe men are better when they led by men. I don't think men become men led by women. I never believe that. Cam? I bought my dog, Kayla Williams style since we put up a finger-in-lawed us. Tina since we're doing. Tina say what's up. Is he emotional pet? Is it? Yes, emotional pets.

It's a girl. Rico's sick. A brother's sick, man. But I bought a mouse since we've talked about the nail polish and all that, man. The couple things that were said, I think that the conversation got a little deeper than the question. Because May says some things that I agree. with, and I disagree with. First of all, I do 100% agree

with Mace when he says women can't teach men how to be men. I emphatically agree with that, like 100%. But these is already men. It's not about teaching you how to be a man. It's about leading

niggins to a championship. And my personal opinion is this. If it was a monkey that got trained by a basketball coach, that could coach a team to the championship, they wouldn't give a fuck. but to both of you guys credit and to Doran Stanley's credit, she's right.

Soon as something goes wrong, they're going to say, he shouldn't be doing it. She shouldn't be doing it. Think about this. I remember when they first started Latin women referee NBA games

and Chris Paul was like, this bitch, he got fine. He's like, just bitch you don't know what she's doing. He lost it. You know what I'm not?

She called a foul or went out of balance and something shit. Chris Paul. this bitch right here and they threw the knick out the game and everything and then after the game he doubled down on it

he doubled down he sounded like murder a little bit yeah because then when you got it in that place that's why he's doing that he's talking to her like she's one of the fellas so that's the line that keeps being blurred when you bring them in and say they're

one of the, treat them just like one of the guys then if you treat them like one of the guys then it's like oh why would he say that to a woman that becomes confusing, you know, that that's exactly what I'm talking about. Not that he should call to that, but if she's one of the

guys, then don't take it so crazy. That's what people would be thinking. Yeah. Yeah, but I think my opinion on that, what you just said is, I think it's worse if you call a nigga a bitch than a girl, because now you almost

want to fight. Like, yo, this bitch right here. What? Dumb type of words and I don't want to put in their name out because everybody's my friend and I ain't got no beef with nobody but from the reports those exact words

is the reason Kevin Durant left Golden State yeah you can't call no nigga no bitch so that ain't even being treated like one of the guys there I mean that's that's not that's just

you just can't do that you give me a bitch nigga but white nigga like so to me calling a nigga a bitch is worse than calling a female a bitch so I don't agree with that take but I understand where you're coming from when you're saying treater like one of the men

yeah you're going to get treated like if I would tell another referee that like same way I don't think you call a referee a bitch neither I remember a referee I can't think a nigga name he retired years ago he told in the middle of the game he told Tim Duncan let's step outside

he wanted to shoot a nigga was like 77 and told the nigga Tim Duncan in the middle of game yo let's step outside real quick as you talking, and Tim Duncan was like, what? I'm going to, let's find that clip and we can find it and put it at the end of the show.

But, yeah, I do agree to where, to a certain extent, to where it's the respect level, and not just the respect level, if something goes wrong, Dawn Staley made a great point. They're going to look to say it's a woman coaching. It's somebody that's doing that. Somebody this, not somebody, it's a woman's fault. If it was a man in there, et cetera. but I do say this

I end this with two things if anybody could do it it would be Dorne Staley my personal opinions two reasons I went and say hire her for the next she's too much of a Philly fan we already know how much she supports

Philly she's Trump Philly she was in the garden going crazy against the next this time and third that's first or foremost but darn Staley is beautiful as a woman she is very

very smart very pretty, articulate, et cetera. She knows how to dress the way it ain't going to come across like niggas is beasting on her. Like, damn, I got to hit that. No disrespect to Don't, because I know there's some people out there that would love to hit that. And I don't mean that any disrespectful way. But I'm just trying to say, nah, that's no. What I'm saying is when Don Stanley walk in the locker room, you know how it is. You see, all right, bust it. You see on Instagram and all that

shit now how these teachers be coming in you'd be like damn I was my teacher with a war that shit to school when I was going in school you ever see that on the internet lately teachers coming in with tight dresses and BBLs and all that shit nobody wanted to bone the teachers you see that's that

they look good yeah that's what I'm saying yeah that's my point door stealing out of throwing the baggy shit little chain and all that little bees rosaries and all that yo let's get to practice man stop playing with niggas let's go She got that ditty bot with her where niggins ain't even going.

I think she will be respected as not just a female. I'm talking about if anybody could do it. I think she's one of the people that got that aura to her to where you won't be looking at her as just a female coach. And the last thing I'll say is this. And none of that I just said in a disrespectful way because I love me some Don Stanley. And the last thing I say is this. One of the great boxing coaches for men, even though she didn't get a lot of, a lot of, recognition, and she ended up retiring, it's Ann Wolf.

I don't know if people are familiar with Ann Wolf, but Ann Wolf was a dangerous female boxer. She started training men boxes and led them to a championship or two. And they respected her, because I don't know if y'all see Ann Wolf, Google her. You ain't getting none of that with Ann Wolf. Air Wolf will go outside your head, nigger. She's a female. I don't know how familiar our audience is with Ann Wolf.

But go take a look at her resume as far as she. training is concerned and which any type of female she is. She didn't even going to play no game. So I gave what exactly murderoussa and Mosei. And unfortunately, I think that they're right in today's society. Yeah, because it's going to end up being a double standard if you, they agree with it until something happened and then when something happened, they want the luxury and the protection of a decision that would have been opposite of what they made. I'll just add that like I completely agree with Don because I just don't think people are ready for that. And like it's going to take a lot for people to kind of even to really have those conversations because unfortunately like she's more than capable because also mace to your logic, she is the real title town.

So it's like it's not that she doesn't have the capabilities to do so. So when I say my take, it's not that oh like Don should be. hired because this or that. It's just like she has the capabilities to do all those things. But when they see a woman, they're just thinking, okay, it's a woman. I don't know if I want to be under her leadership, which that's just how the world is. So maybe one day. I don't know if we'll see it. Yeah, but how do you know she's capable if she's never done it? Because she's never done it for an NBA team, but she's done it for other teams. I know. So how do you know she could do it in NBA. Just, just a question. How do I know she can do it in the NBA because she's more than

capable. There's people who have been hired who don't have the same resume that she does. And I think that she'd be more than capable. You think. That's what I said. Okay. Well, the whole thing about it is they gave a bunch of college. And I know we talk about women and female, 100%. But they gave a bunch of niggas that won in college opportunity. Think about you think about Rick Petino. Rick Petino, I don't even know if he got his main champion. And I know We're talking about men and women, but we're talking about niggas that they gave opportunities coming out of college to coach the NBA and it didn't work out.

Rick Retino is a prime example of that. Calibari, too. You know what I'm saying? They get people opportunities. But I will say it's this. If it was any time for a woman to do it, it should have been this year. Because think about this, the Knicks are already pieced together. For me, right now, I'm not saying it because we got to talk about basketball.

The necklace starts next week. We're going to get more into basketball at the top of the week next week because season starts next Tuesday, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. But think about this. This is the best opportunity that the Knicks have to at least get to the championship in a long time. Tatum is hurt. They broke Boston up.

Tyrese Halliburton, he's hurt probably going to miss the whole season. The Cavs, they're going to be back, but they have to prove something. me in the playoffs. They're never 100% available when the playoffs start. So as much as the cows won last year in the regular season, it didn't mean nothing because they was hobbled in the playoffs. The only people that I would say would be in the next way, I think Orlando's a year or two away from that. The only people in the next way, my personal opinion is if you get 100%, and what I'm about to say is probably 5% of truth. But if you get 100% of you get 100%, percent healthy

Joe L&B if you get 60 percent of Paul George that was in Indiana and we know what Tyrese maxi bring to the table that's the only people stand in the next way but you don't know if you're getting podcast P

you don't know if you're going to get a hobble Joe L&B who only going to play 32 games and Tyrese Maxie is too small to do it by itself which it don't matter if he was poor it don't matter if he was bigger or smaller pause. Nobody does it by their soul. But I'm talking about if you get to put the microphone down podcast, P, you got the Joe L&B that said I took all last year off, yeah, I'm ready. And Tyrese Maxie, don't know

only people in the Knicks way. Besides that, the Knicks, it is no excuse for them this year not to get to the championship. We know Jason Tatum's going to come back sometime this year earlier than Tyrese Halliburton, but even in Indiana, they got rid of Miles Turner. Knicks kept everybody they resign people they should be a cake walk to the NBA finals this year if it doesn't just happen this year just forget about it sending the rest of y'all just forget about it because this is an easy road to the championship and don't staley might have had took some good credit in that mays can ask you really quick so why do you do you not why do you because you didn't answer yet do you think don't staley is not capable of coaching um

Of course, she's capable of coaching. It's not, of course. I think it's a good question. No, she's capable of coaching. Obviously, she wins a lot in South Carolina. When you say win in New York, that's a different, it takes a different pedigree to win in New York. We watch it all the time. People that are supposed to be phenomenal, they get to New York, and they vanish.

I think that's why we are the people we are in this show. Because if you could make it in New York, you can make it anywhere. nowhere you could put a person that made it in New York and they can't make it because you have to go against so much to get there. Sometimes you can have success in another place and get to New York and none of it translate. It's like credits. If you go from a college to another college, none of those credits translate. So I'm not sure if she would be able to do well in New York, Not that she couldn't coach, but in that system with what's needed. I'm not sure.

So what if it was the Utah Jazz? I think she could do Utah Jazz. I feel it. I think she could, she would do well at Philly somewhere where she'll have that overwhelming support. New York is a media-driven city and they don't spare anyone. They love you today. They hate you this afternoon. They don't wait to tonight and tomorrow.

you saw Aaron Rogers they spitting at them everybody was all excited Tito everybody oh we back we back by the next week everybody was ready to kill Aaron Rogers yeah I was just I was just clarifying because I'm like basically from your first stance that you just don't know how you feel about a woman

coaching a men's league which is totally fine because we're not supposed to agree on things yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure it's not It's not that I'm not for women evolving and doing things like that. I just believe there's a lot of women teams she can coach. Also, I just don't think that that's a correlation. Like, by me asking you this, I'm not saying that you don't think that woman can't evolve and can't be.

Like, because that is a separate thing. I'm just wondering if your mentality lets you think like, like all other circumstances out of the question, like right now, do you think that she would be able to coach an NBA team? I just said, like I said, we do not have to agree. No, I just said she could. I said probably Utah Jazz.

It's like just for me, like when I'm seeing Kim, right, like rocking a little doggy, that's not how I want to see killer, right? But he's doing it. You get what I'm saying? It's not the killer I know, but. And they're talking about letting the cat out the bag. Now I can tell you what they can let the cat out the bag mean. It means that they bought a pig and they were supposed to put a pig in a bag.

And then killer, when they get home, they recognize that the niggas scammed them. They switched it up. They put a cat in the bag. So that's when they said, who let the cat out the bag? What source is? Go ahead, Cam. A couple of things. I got a couple things.

I got a couple things. First of all, Mace is not the only person mad at my dog. My uncle called my dogs. My uncle say what kind of nigger and my son hates my dogs. Everybody hates my dogs that I grew up with. Everybody. But to Mace point, this is the dog you have when you don't have problems. This is the dog.

I don't need a pit bull I don't need a Rockwell I don't live in a dangerous place I don't need a Doverman Pinscher this is the this is the I made it door This is the door that says

Everything is all right You have a TV podcast And niggas just be man They like 50 something They be like just mad This is the I'm mad This is the I made it door You know what I'm really looking forward to

Because I got a Something to say about what Mason Statt was just talking about. Killer, I wish you could see my dog. His name is Biggie. He's a little... I can't see it, but what kind of dog? It's a little white dog. Why and fluffy?

What kind of dog is it, though? I don't know. What kind of dog is it? What? I have my dog in ice box. So you can... So you can... Put more of the story

and just you can carry your dog? My dog is trained. I can sit them in first class. I get a ticket for my dog. My dog flies first class. No, I'm saying. Is he small enough to carry like my dog? Yeah, yeah.

He's just white and fluffy. Well, I'm like you with that dog. We're easy. I just figured since you're making niggas mad, I make them even more mad. But to murder's point, I ain't going to lie. My uncle called and curse me out about my dog, so they'd be mad about dogs. I'm like, yo, my nigger, I'm in a safe space. I don't need a dangerous dog.

That's first and foremost. Secondly, to Mace's point about let the cat out the bag, if they seen it was a cat in the bag instead of the pig, they should have kept them in the bag. I'm like, yo, he's already in the bag. Y'all tried to take that back and got the pig. That's second. And the last thing I'll say is this.

To Mace's last statement when he was like, he just does, like, he's 100% right. New York's the biggest media-driven city in the world. I'm going back pertaining to what we're talking about with Don Stanley coacher. Look, man, listen, man. and nothing, nothing murder mode, stat, nothing, nothing, you hear me, nothing, has worked in 53 years. Give a girl a shot. Fifty three years since the shit. Give a lady a shot.

What do we have to lose? No, film, none of us on this show is old enough to see the next win. You know, me and murder have been like, yo, the last time they won, we was one or two years old. We wasn't even born, bro. None of us had been alive to see the next win. So whatever, yet at this point, give a female a shot because nothing's been working. Phil Jackson hasn't worked. Huey Brown hasn't worked.

Stu Jackson hasn't worked. It's been a list of people that we have had to re-board it. Pat Raleigh hasn't worked. Carmelo hasn't worked. Stefan Marbury hasn't worked. Anthony Hardaway hasn't worked. Nothing is worked. At this point, we're not.

you have to lose. That is a very, very good point. But I think we've all come to an agreement. We don't know if we'll see it happen anytime soon. But you never know. Things be changing every day. So we'll see. Okay.

We're going to go to break. When we return, we're going to discuss a lot of these LeBron takes because you got real unfiltered on his wife's podcast. Welcome, got you feeling like an option. Maybe I'm my own problem, babe. She's tired of hearing, I don't know. My stubborn in me won't fall, oh, oh.

Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about her want to be free. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. day. So on Sunday, the Broncos will play the Giants. Underdog has Bow Nix at 229 and a half passing yards. Do you have higher, lower Mace? Bo Nix. How many? 229 and a half passing yards. Lower.

Who they playing? The Giants. I'm going to lower. Okay. Jackson Dart is at 44.5 rushing yards. You have them higher, lower cam. Hmm. Lower. Yeah, lower. Okay, and Cam Scataboo is at 56 and a half rushing yards.

Do you have a higher, lower mace? I'm going higher. Scadaboo is looking like he's ready to get his name. Yeah, I think he's going to have higher than that, definitely. Just coming off a 98-yard rushing game, they're going to feed him the ball. Okay. LeBron James got unfiltered on his wife's podcast with guests Kai Sinat and Phantom. the question was, do you think we live in a world where integrity is valued? He responded no and said

everything is so fake now. Being honest with people, everybody's so sensitive. So you're afraid sometimes to hurt people's feelings because you don't know how they're going to take it. LeBron talked about growing up in the 80s and the 90s and said that you could really say something to somebody and they wouldn't take it so personal. He also said every time you say something, people think you're talking to them. So after just hearing this from LeBron, James Maurice, going to have you go further. Does this resonate with you? And then what's your take? Do you think that we live in a world where integrity is valued? Well, I'll start there. I don't think integrity is valued anymore. And I think a lot is driven by social media, you know,

where back in the day, you used to just have to see people and you had to be around them. And people had a reputation about who they were and what they said, they did. And, you know, all that used to matter. And now when you can, you know, sort of create yourself. online and you can create a fan base of people who believe in you and you know give you adulation and all that other stuff and you can do it virtually you know you can kind of be whoever you want to without consequence you know that's probably one thing that he was probably uh referencing i didn't see the whole you know um interview but not interview but i didn't see the whole podcast but i seen clips but that's that's one of the biggest things that i think that um probably i sound old when i say this

but that people had to do back in the day you know if you were somebody you had to go outside and be a somebody amongst other people and people had to fact check who you are. So if you were a liar, you were ashamed for it. If you was a whole, you were ashamed for it. If you were just certain things, people shamed you for who you were or just not having integrity. So I don't know if to answer the whole question, but that's what came to my mind when you initially asked it. Yeah, more the last couple of things you answered, all of those people are celebrities now. Anything that you do that's unintegral is like really celebrated today. So I definitely would agree with what LeBron is saying.

But I think one of the things, and I'll go and add something else to it, one of the things that really took integrity away is just the elders, the elders and people, the elders as parents, and the elders in a religious community. I think when integrity is lost there, that's what made it be lost greatly in society. And I think those are the people that are really responsible for the lack of integrity, not entertainers. Because in entertainment, you're supposed to do whatever is entertaining. Well, in those other fields where it's supposed to be integrity, like in the government or in, you know, police or, you know, religious places like that, they're supposed to be more integral.

but I think they've lost it and they're the reason for it. I think that Moe answered the question spot on. And one of the words, the key words that you use, Moe, is before we get back to integrity and everything else, the one key word that you just said

that I love was fat check. There's no fat checking. Somebody say something. That's just what it is because niggas don't combat or even have time to feed into what the niggas say and then you'd be like man whatever i don't get a fuck so whatever niggas say niggas is running with that and it's no fat checking on what anybody says you just

say whatever and if nobody responds that's what it is like nigger i'm like this whole week not this week last six seven my last year two all niggins my name is in everybody mouth pause like my name is week after week after week in somebody mouth and i make them emotional just off my name my name come up Mace Mace got a line Mace name bring emotions My cam name bring emotions

Man And then nobody I don't be giving the fuck So I don't be fact checking niggas and then niggas run with it And it's no fact checking But back to what Mace just said

Was spot on And what LeBron said Look It's another thing When you can't speak your mind Like we're in the countries To be like free speech No the fuck it ain't free speech

You say the wrong thing You get killed It's going to cause you. Yeah, it's going to cause you one way or another. This is not no fucking free speech out here. You say the wrong thing. Look, we've seen, and I don't know how much y'all keep up. You know, I'm very diverse when it comes to entertainment and everything.

But we just see, and I won't comment on why, but we just seen, damn, I'm so mad I can't. I wasn't fowling. The nigger fucking Jimmy Kimball. Jimmy Kimmel. He got kicked. Yeah. Two weeks ago, he was up there for two weeks for saying something. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm not saying what he said was right, and he shouldn't have been canned because I'm a nigga trying to cancel me for approving what he said. I'm not approving what he said. I have no opinion on what he said. I don't even want to be around that topic. I'm sorry somebody lost their life, and it's a travesty. But I'm just trying to say, that's Jimmy Kimball. Yeah.

Niggas, your niggas told him I have a seat, nigga. Watch your mouth. I have a seat and sit down until we call you. you back because he was off the air indefinitely. And he's off the air for about 10, 11 days. But it's Jimmy Kimball. They told him, yo, sub out. Hit the bench.

You can't say what you want to say, and you have to be mindful. And especially we in an era where if you got a smartphone, you have an opinion. You can live in your mama basement, your mama basement with two dogs and a cat in Louisiana, whatever, the worst

part of Washington, state. You can live on the borderline in between Washington and Vancouver and a hole in the war and you can have an opinion and it may irk the biggest celebrity that you got. And that they can be like oh shit, Kim Kardashian responded to what I said. That's all

they be wanting sometimes. Yeah. It's a response, but if you got a smartphone you can have an opinion. That's just the way it works. Whether you like a nigga opinion, don't like it. Sometimes these niggas just be warned the response. And that's my opinion on that. But back to LaBronson, the

80s and 90s, even television. I just put up a poster of a day, and a lot of people may be too young to know the TV show Dallas. They used to come on Knott's Landing, Dallas, all that. But I put up a poster. It was a character on the show named J.R. And his wife asked her, what slut you're going to sleep with tonight? And he responded, what doesn't matter?

It got to be more interesting than the slut I'm looking at now. This was on CBS. This is on CBS, my nigger. You know, you got Archie Bunker. People don't know that show. All in the family, late 70s, early 80s. Call niggas, niggas. This nigga just walked in my house.

You know, niggins would be outraged today. This is a white out. These are TV shows that was based on racism. Sanford and son, poverty. Jefferson's moving on up. Good times. Niggas got to walk up 18 flights of stairs. This was all how people were living in it because black people and brown people as well,

evolve economically, some of that shit ain't going to be tolerated, but shit definitely got too soft to where you can't say anything. Kevin Hart had a special, and he said something in his special where he was like, yo, I met this lady. It was a joke about somebody with one arm. But after the joke, he said, listen, listen, listen. It was just a joke, y'all, because I don't want the one-arm community coming after me. But he was serious.

You can't even make a joke. It got to be terrible for comedians, because they, can't really say what they want to say because we live in a sensitive society. Yeah, who made it like this? For real. I think it's social media because now you have all these groups who are represented and they have voices now and now you can corral your audience. You know, if you live in Ohio and, you know, just you and a handful of people from your community, that was one thing.

But when I can grab, you know, 15 people from New York and 35. people from Chicago and 45 people from North Dakota. And now I got a community. And then now we can organize our thoughts to say, you know, we hate Mace for whatever reason. You know, that's what happens. And then, you know, I just think like the world becoming smaller with social media has made all of this stuff like hypersensitive. And then, you know, you can get online and you can just talk crazy and bad about somebody and disrupt their business or disrupt their life. And so I just think it's driven from social media. Like as much as you've had good from social media, what? creating people who can create money and meeting people and socializing in many different ways

and moving products and selling stuff like that. I think this is that other side. It was social media being so new that, you know, this is like the unintended consequence. Okay, so let me ask you all this because you guys grew up in a time where you didn't have social media. I can't even like date. I don't. I can't. Like, you know, in high school and middle, school, I could leave. And if something happened at school, it was posted on Snapchat or it's posted on Instagram. And there's like, ask FMs. If people were too afraid to like say or ask a question to somebody specifically, they would just ask it about the school and it would get answered and it would just get posted everywhere. So yeah, of course, different lives, but, you know, there's pros and

cons. So Maris going to start with you first. What are some things you think people who grew up with social media lack or will never understand. So like somebody like me who like had that as part of like my childhood and upbringing, what are some things that you think we would never understand? Interpersonal skills. I just think like just when I think of my daughter, you my daughter, you know a few years older to my daughter. I feel bad saying that.

But just, you know, and she's a very social person. But stuff that I see from younger people, they don't talk to people. You know, they talk by texting. they talked through devices. But it was a real thing to have to talk to people, have to deal with people, have to be around people, have to feel people. That's the thing that I think that younger people who grew up, be it on devices or on social platforms, they don't have, like just the normal interpersonal skills that you would have

to deal with from people from our generation, where if you had to talk to somebody or see them or deal with them or you had to gain your coolness from being cool. you had to be like a cool nigger or a cool girl to be cool you couldn't like create like a fantasy land and a fantasy audience from that like you had to go be the thing before like you deemed yourself something else or somebody else had to call you cool uh like i made no pun intended i'm not you know like kiss somebody else but these guys were named cool by somebody else i'm talking about mason cam and so other people called them cool they didn't have to call themselves cool in your generation you all call yourself cool and then you get a bunch of people who call you you you know i If that makes any sense, you know what I'm saying? But those are just things. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And so, but that's some of those things.

Like, I look at athletes like that. Like, they may look at entertainers like that where a kid, he'll create his own highlight tape. He'll create his own fan base. And he'll think he's nice because he has a bunch of people agreeing with a thought that he think that he's nice from. And it'd be damned if you say something against him, you'll say like, yo, that's like, mother, your uncle. Yeah, he'll say you're hating when you're just actually like giving real judgment

where you had to go through the fire and other people had to, you know, edify you and call you or somebody. So that's something, I know I said a whole lot, you know, and y'all can, you know, piggyback with what I'm talking about, but that's just what I think is different from people who grew up in the social media era versus people who didn't. Yeah, I think one of the things that is kind of hard to be in a social media society is, is authentic. I think because we didn't have the internet. We didn't know what everybody was doing. So you had to give your best. You had to give your absolute best because I couldn't see

what you were working on. You couldn't see what I was working on. We're all going to drop a CD on a day or we're all going to play this team from another coast or another country. I remember we went and played in Puerto Rico and things like that. We had no way to prep for the team. We don't know them. They don't know us. So there was, there was so much that you had to pull pause from within because you didn't have that advantage of being able to see what somebody else did. So even your style, everything you did was original because you couldn't copy nobody else. Like today is, it's, it's almost like accepted or like I'm in a 90s flow or I'm on this type of vibe. That was, that was frowned upon very heavily. And that's just,

just answering the question, not me being stuck in the time, just answering the question that it robbed a lot of authenticity. Like right now, every guy that gets money brazes here or he wears the same chain. And it's like you're seeing one girl, you're seeing all of them, they all look the same. There's no originality. Yeah, I'll be here for two years with this question, so I'll make it as quick as possible. And to your point, yo, to your point, Moe, you know what's crazy? because you're talking about your daughter and the social skills.

I was arguing with this 13-year-old girl, you know what I'm saying, earlier today? I know you're like, what Kim doing, arguing with 13-year-old? You're a short daughter and all that. Nah, that we're out to a little, we get into it sometime, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, she's a really good talker for a 13-year-old. And I was telling her the same thing you just said, Moe, because, you know, I bade her in to debate with her. a lot just to go have the back and forth because she's, her comebacks is bad

than niggas sometime. So I'm like, yo, your best friends in Canada, you never met her. You never even been there. She's like, oh well, that's your problem. I can't hope that I'm 13 in your 50. And I was like, yeah, but when I was 13, I was outside, I was doing shit, I was playing basketball,

I was traveling. She said, I don't have to do all that. That was good for you. But that's what 50-year-old niggas did back there. I was just basically like, Nobody won. You know, nobody won about that. But this is the time we are.

Me and Sin get into it all the time because sin gets mad at the way things used to be. And I was sitting there and I'll sit there and tell him, bro, I understand. And I love being the age I'm at because we got to watch social media grow. And I don't have to be a YN and panic when something's not going right. Like another one, my homeboy. daughter was at my house one time. And she's like, oh, my God, do you have a charger? I mean, no, not even charge.

Do you have an outlet? I need an outlet. Yeah, we're in the house. It's an outlet. My phone's under 50%. Under 50%. I don't plug my shit until it's 2%. Me personally.

But when you don't got 50%, that's a panic button. And she's like, yeah, my dad doesn't care about the phone. What if I'm on the way to school? I take the train in school, Cam. What if something happened? I take the train of school every day. And I have no phone.

A no way the nigga get in contact me. They see me when I get home. If I ain't home by the next day, maybe they'll call the police. Maybe. Or they just waiting to give me an ass whipping because I'm 11, 12 years old and I wasn't home that. They're not calling the police. You're supposed to be home by a certain time. You're supposed to be home by a certain time.

That's the whole thing about it. May's son has said some slick shit that made me think about it one day, too. He told me, he said, I was on the, you know, I'd be on the speaker for him. Mason, my nephew, and Latin. I love him too because he's very smart, very, very articulant. And he said, yo, how y'all... He said, he said, yo, how y'all niggas believe anything before the internet? What was the proof?

It was like, there's no proof. So that was his point of view, like, I can't even really jack with y'all niggins. And I said, he didn't say this, but the way I took it was, I can't really jack with nicks is the same. because who can prove it it's no proof before the internet everything is word of mouth me and sin get into it all the time

because like I was going to say I'm at the age where I could say sin is like sing it's mad you're like niggas ain't even teaching teaching script in school no more I say yes then you write we lose it I said but you can't use an iPad

you're going to need an iPad in school before you need script right now we was going to school in the 90s yeah you may need script But today, you don't know how to work an iPad. Then asks me, your Kim, you know how to book your own airline tickets? Yeah, nigger. He said, yeah, right.

Now, you don't even think I can book an airline ticket. This is how far back this, nigga. Brain is, you know what I'm saying? He fights over debit cards like, yo, I got to get a debit card. I said, you can't pay for cash in the airport no more. What? When they stop doing that? I say, said, they didn't stop doing that.

You can't do it So I love the balance When you have somebody who's stat age And you got somebody who's sin age And stat may look at sin like Yo, you're crazy And sin may look at statis Y'all got learning nothing out here

Sin got mad murder Because he asked my son Who Babe Ruth was and my son said Like what the candy bar? He got mad at that He wanted a nigger little, he wanted a little Cam to know a baseball player from a hundred

years ago because that's what he grew up in. Last thing I'll say is this, because like I said, I'll be too long on this topic. Yo, murder. The nigger Sin bet me $20 that night. I said Sin, Statt do not know whoever to be in Rock Kim is. What?

What the fuck you're talking about? She better know that. I said, I bet you $20. We called Statt in one in the morning. Me and Sin on a three way. And Sin said, do you know who ever? Sin said, I'm going to say one word and you reply. He said, Eric B. That said, huh?

He said, you don't know Eric B or I, Kim? She's like, she said, you don't know her to be around Kim? She's like, nah. I said, I won the bet. Sid tried to go into some G. I just hung the photo. I said, thank you, Stack. And I won't a bet because I knew she wouldn't know

who Eric B or Rik Kim was. Motherfucking, that's what you grew up on. She grew up on a little Uzi Verk. Let I do her, my nigga. That's the balance. But, yeah, Statt, thank you for that dub, Yeah. Can I add to that? Because I was literally about to bring that up because he actually DM me about it. Because I was like, what are you talking about?

Get the fuck out of here. No, I literally said what, I wish you guys could see it. And I know you can't. I literally said, what does that even mean? He said, so you never heard of Eric B and Rakim, please ask your, your, your, your pops. I don't even say pop. So I asked my dad, my dad's like, that's my favorite group. What do you mean? My mom's like, yeah. Like that always happens. there's always a conversation and I ask them and they know exactly what y'all are talking about and I'm completely lost and it's at this point I don't even argue anymore because I'm like saying I don't know what you want me to say like I can't just pop up so you did you did you did ask your parents

they knew yeah if you if you ask my parent like my parent like I feel like people have and that this is not a jaw I feel like people have this thing that like oh stat's parents didn't teach her anything they must just have been gated community and didn't hear it. Like, my parents are very hip. I just, it didn't go down the funnel. I don't know half of the things that they know. Same reason that y'all see up here. Half the movies, half the things.

Like, I'm very honest. I don't put up a front and even act like I know. I would just tell y'all. And if I do, I do. That's why sometimes y'all be shocked when I know a little bit of things. That's why when you brought up the Dion Sanders song, I knew that song. I know some things. Just not everything because that wasn't my time.

Yeah. Now, for sin to be DM. you after he lost the bet it's diabolical. Like saying you got to stop. You can't force this on people bro. You got to stop, man. For you the DM might have an attitude about it. It's crazy. Last thing I'll say

to stats point is that also with social media and the internet your choice and variety is more. With me, Moe murder grew up, it wasn't a lot. You can't go to Pandora. It wasn't no Apple music. It wasn't no title. It wasn't like that. You listen to what's on the radio?

or you fix your tape. You get a pencil of your tape. You stick it inside your tape thing if it's acting funny and you twist it and you try and record songs off the radio. The amount of content is ridiculous.

So you may be in a rap mood this morning but you may want to watch shark fights this afternoon. You get what I'm saying? You may want to watch niggas jumping off a roof, parachute off a roof or next week or the next week

or late on that night, you may be watching street fights or then you may want to listen to R&B. We didn't have the choices that you guys have when it comes to content. New York had two radio stations, Hot 97 and WBLS, or you go pay $1599 for the tape. That was that. You guys have a lot of choices. It wasn't no YouTube. When the radio played, you excited that the radio played it because it wasn't no other way for you to hear people's music. And I just think you guys have a bunch of content.

I might say you guys, all of us, have way more content. When you had a great album, a great album lasted five, six months, seven months. A great, great, great, great album lasts two weeks today. And that's a great album. Yeah, it's a dope thing for sure, but also there's also cons, because it's just so much over-consumption. Like, there's just so many things to look at. And sometimes you just also got to know when to shut it down and just lock in and go.

outside into the air and take a walk because it's a lot. So also just make sure that they'll take care of yourselves, but social media is a great thing. Okay, y'all, well, that's all the time that we have for today. Maris, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Always. Okay. And again, how did we get here?

Who knows? Who knows? That's going to be my line for everything. Now, how do we get here? How did we get here, man? Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Like when they doing them two for five