IT IS WHAT IT IS - WHO DO WE TRUST IN THE NFL PLAYOFFS & TRAE YOUNG'S TIME IN ATLANTA IS OVER

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

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So make sure y'all support the show. Hit that subscribe button, lock in your bonus, and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasur Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. And today we are joined with our analyst, Michael Irvin. Killer Mike, what's going on, man? It's good, everybody. I'm happy to be back, man.

What's happening, man? Yeah, happy you year. Exactly. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. You're right. Happy New Year. That's the law.

That's right on point. That's right on point. Hey, Cam always said that Mace is a bandwagon jumper. He gets with a chance. Come on over. We got room for you. We got room for you right here. Come on.

Come on. Sit right here with us, buddy. Mike, that's crazy, Mike. I try to throw you out of you. This is what you do. This is how you want to start. Come on, baby. Come on, baby.

We got open all for you. Listen, you know, Mike, yesterday he was Oregon. Yes. Yesterday, he was. He was Oregon. Mike, I got a game to go to the mall, Mike. I'm trying to be nice to you. My game is tomorrow.

All right, all right. Maybe we can see each other. And then I'll put you on over here after, you know, but one time, one game at a time. And we got to take this thing here today. Here we go. Look at this. Yeah, Mike, my bad.

I got a game today, Mike. I got to film this. and I got to go, because we play today, Mike. You know, there's people playing for bigger reasons, Mike, you know. But we wouldn't matter just mess up New Year's Eve. I'm in New Year's Day. I'm trying to be nice, Mike. I got it.

Yeah, that's the best bet. Just say forgetting. There's nothing bigger than what Miami's getting on, what they're playing for. So if there's something of the prize, then that I'm not a, I'm not a. what are they plan for mike what are they plan for then i what you mean what they plan for what they plan for is an opportunity to stand on their own home ground and receive the ultimate crown how many men have i got it not many i have but not many other men have done it so you see what i'm saying don't get it like it but what i'm saying on your own home home

ground and take home the ultimate crown in front of your people. Not them people, not those people, not day people, but your people. Ain't nothing like it, bro. What I'm trying to say is this. I'm not co-signing what May said. But what's different, and

I'm not Jack and this is what he's saying, but if we are going to go with what he said, why is what you playing for bigger than what Oregon's playing for? I'm trying to figure that out. I just gave it to you. Oregon, Oregon. Right, right, right. Oregon's still playing for a championship,

but it's a difference to play and to win on your own home turn. You won't have to travel. Okay, I'll get what you're saying. The championship is home. You see what I'm saying? Okay, I understand. It's in Miami. I got to, okay, I understand.

Right, right, right. All yours can make it. Not just your top one and your top two, but all of them to scurry on in here. Because you're at home, all your three, four, and five, they can sneak on in there, too. Everybody can go to the game. Mike, Mike, you know what, I'm not going back and forth this year. This is what I'm not doing. It's a few places we're going.

That's one of the places we're not going this year, Mike. We're not going back and forth and we're not going out our way, Mike. So you're going to have to stay on that tangent by yourself. Oh, so I missed the resolution. Yeah, you missed the resolution. It would have worked in 2025, Mike. You know, there's two places we're not going. I can dig that, bro.

I can dig that. Well, glad to see everyone. And then Mike, Maurice said that he ran into you at the game. So I'm glad that you guys were able to link up. And I know you had a lot going on with the bell and everything, but as you should. So shout out to Miami. Shout out to you, always having a presence at the game.

And then shout out to you and Maurice's link up, because we love to see it over here. Okay. I appreciate that. Of course. Okay. So now we're going to get to NFL. So the playoff picture is set.

We're going to start with the AFC. So we got the Broncos, Patriots, Jaguars, Steelers, Texans, bills, and chargers. So, Mike, which team do you trust the most and which team do you trust the least? Okay. Now, you guys, I told you guys a while back, you know, how much I enjoy working with you guys. How blessed you are to have such one that's quite like Mike. You know what I mean? Because I told y'all, earlier in the season,

that this was the season of no domination, no team will dominate. Every team will have a flaw in any team can ultimately win it all. So with that in play, you start looking at the second thing. Since there's no dominant team, give me an element that's going to play well in the playoff. Like, this is not a play.

This is not a dominant team, but it's the most consistent team. I would say that's the New England Patriots, the most consistent, the team that's going to make the least amount of mistakes, the team that's going to play within the framework of what they do, great coaches, and focus. So for me, right now, you say AFC team, I got to say that he's there the most consistent team. F.C. team, I, you know, I got to go with the best defense. Seattle, the best offense are the Rams. So right now, for me, I'm looking at what the Patriots are doing. But we got to always wait to see how people perform in this next season, because it is a vast difference from this first season. And the Patriots got a lot to prove in that area. Yeah, I think due to injuries and everything, I would have to go with the New England.

But other than that, I didn't think, you know, coming into this year that that would be the team, even though they was playing exceptionally well up to this point. I think if what's his name from Indiana, Indiana Jones doesn't get hurt, I would still be going with Indiana. But as of right now, I'm definitely going to have to go with New England. It seemed like they got the most approved. And it seemed like they want to turn this situation around and make Brady a thing of the past. So hopefully they could get that done. If not, it's going to be a real gloomy day for them.

Okay. So you trust the Patriots the most. And then Mike didn't get into the team that you trust the least, but we'll circle back to that. So Cam, I'll ask you in the AFC, which team do you trust the most? With strictly AFC? Yes.

So you have a question. I like the Patriots. I like where they, you know, they've been consistent pretty much all season. And we was, I was sitting there waiting for me, particularly, for Buffalo to catch up with them. And Buffalo couldn't catch up with them. I'm talking about as far as the division is concerned. I'm like, Buffalo is going to catch them.

Buffalo is going to catch them. But Buffalo didn't catch them. So, you know, a great answer, which you and me said is the Patriots. You know, you got Josh McDaniels there, still offense coordinator. We see, I think, Drake May, these last two weeks of the regular season, even though I would still vote for me. Matthew Stafford. I think Drake may actually beat him out if we're being fair about who's going to get the MVP this season.

Really, really good. The only team that I would put against right now, well, two teams. We keep an eye on Buffalo because to me, it's no other quarterback that has to win more this year than Josh Allen. This is just the facts. You know, this is the year, you know, I think we talked about it before we went on vacation. That is no Tom Brady. It's no Joe Burrough.

Now we know for sure it's no Lamar Jackson. And those are the four quarterbacks that we, pardon me, Patrick Mahomes as well. Those are the four or five quarterbacks that for the last few years we've been putting at the top of the mountain as far as quarterbacks are concerned. And all of those quarterbacks are out there. the way. So to me, that's the person that needs to win the most. As we're talking about team or who I trust the most, has to be the Patriots. But I will say right underneath the Patriots, right underneath them, I'm going to go, pardon me, I'm going to go with the Denver

Broncos. I sat there through a fit about how Sean Payton is races. I didn't like the way he was talking to Russell Wilson. You know that Russell Wilson was there. before Sean Payton got there, but Sean Payton said, look, I need to cook the food that I bring. I want to cook the food that I bring to the table. I want the young nigga. I like the Bo Knicks, nigga.

I had a, I had a nigger that, you know, I think could work with him now. Don't get it fucked up. Bo Nix has not had the tremendous season like somebody like Drake May have, Drake May may have had, or somebody, I'm thinking about younger quarterbacks is Caleb Williams, but he did enough to get the buy.

And he did enough in Sean Payton's system, to get them to buy, even though their defense is tremendous. He has a good offensive line, but it's within the system. We know Sean Payton knows how to win. He's won the Super Bowl in the Latin, you know, Drew Breeze, of course. You got Drew Breeze, you know, could have won one or two more. I know that shit, nigger Sean Payton and all that. You know, he's still on the fence with me.

But what he's done with this team this year, turning them around from where people are sitting there looking at turmoil between him and Russell Wilson and who's it going to be. Okay, Russell Wilson's going. going to do with the organization. To have them here two years later, I think is a tremendous step. I don't want to say in the right direction, but for that organization and just gives credit the knowledge that Sean Peyton has of putting people in the right position to win. So I'm going with the Patriots, but right behind the Patriots are the Denver Broncos. Okay. Yeah, and Kim, okay, a couple things. I know, I know, I know, I know. I know it's the new year. You know,

Let me your best life ain't going on that song. You know, I understand all of that. But I just, I just got to say, you know, a couple of things. So are you saying you owe champagne an apology, calling racism and all that when the end, when the end justifies the means? Because now you're seeing the end, oh, he knew something.

So do you say you apologize for that? And another thing, you say, Cam, you said, You're going to get the MVP to Matthew Stafford, even though... No, I said... Drake May... I'm sorry, I don't mean no, I want to make sure I hear what you say. You said, Drake may beat him out. Drake, Drake made him out.

But you was going... So I was just wondering, you know, what, you know. See, so let's be answer the second question first. Drake may, to me, beat Matthew Stafford out. But I'm saying as morally, off the record, morally as us as is... a family. Morally, I don't like the way the niggas was treating Matthew Stafford in the off

season. Niggins was talking about, yo, he and Noel, I don't know if he got the same arm, you know, it might be, this may be his last year. To be in the race for MVP this season after they was dogging him or off season, I personally want to give him the MVP.

Now, we got to be technical, statistic-wise, everything else, and everybody's looking at us. I thought we was talking amongst family, then yes, to me, Drake May has to get the MVP because of those last two weeks. Samir boiled down to the last two weeks, and Drake May won it out. But morally, I want to give it to Matthew Stafford as Cameron Jowell saying, yo, my nigga, if it was up to me, you would have it.

Pause. To answer your second question. And for the one touchdown, no joke, though. What are the one touchdown, no joke. You were giving that right. Yeah, yeah. Right. Then the answer to your second question,

when you said, do I owe Sean pay an apology, do you owe the white man an apology? That's what I said. Yeah, the white man. Yeah, what I'm saying is this. We talked about places we're not going. Another place I'm not going is above and beyond. That's another not place I'm not going to go.

It's above and beyond. I'm not going there. He's doing a good job coaching. And that's just that. I'm not going to say, I don't know if he's racist or not. I'm just telling you, because you have a great IQ,

as far as football is related, that doesn't mean that you're not racist, and I'm not saying he is racist. It just appeared to be that way. You know him better than me, so I'm always going to take your word. Look, I could die, come back to life, die again, come back.

Like, I would never have the football knowledge you know, not only the football knowledge that you know, the relationships that you have. But I'm going to call shit out when I see it, Mike. That's just that. Now, if I'm wrong about him being racist, I'm wrong. But I've seen him yell at a black man

and made me feel away. So I'm not going to go above and beyond and apologize. I'm saying that I feel he's a great football mind, which I never questioned. I just didn't like the way he was talking to the black man publicly. or privately for that matter.

Yeah, Mike, that's what he's saying. He's saying he spoke well to a young white guy and then he talked crazy to an older black man that got a championship. You tell me. The same amount of championships that he got. And y'all right now, because I don't never want to violate me.

You know, if you pull up the receipt, I was hot at that joke or two. And I love Sean. I know Sean, you know. So we were trying to keep Sean in Dallas to be our head coaching ourselves screwed us over on that. And Sean's a good friend of mine, a great friend. But I felt some kind of way right here. And I went off on them too.

And, yeah, I want him to know I'm sorry. I understand Russell was that bad. I'm sorry. I'll see it. Mike, so you apologize. Mike was the one who needed an apology. Mike was over in trying to deflect it and put it on a killer. I'm trying to get it to show him through y'all.

I was with y'all. You see what I'm saying? So, hey, man, I got to apologize. Hopefully, you know, we can love each other again before. Yeah, yeah, I was hot, too. I was hot about that, man. You know, but, yeah, you know, but they're passionate like that. And now that he takes the next dude,

And what's crazy about it is, like, we got hot because, wait a minute. Like you said, Cam, this dude, I did it. He knows how to do it now. Don't you act like that. Don't you act like you got to show him everything. He knows how to do it. But, you know, maybe you forgot because they can't do it. And then people in New York saying, no, we can't do it.

And then Sean said, well, let me get that young boy who you just said, who we may call, he even said he's Ferris Bueller. Sometimes that means he takes a day off. Mine gone, you know. Let me get that young crazy boy, and I'm still going to win the number one seed. Instead of giving me this old brother, that's all, give me that young, white, crazy boy,

and I'm going to win the number one seed. I have to capitulate and say my blackness got the best of me, shall pay. I'm sorry. You were right. Mike, we see what you did there with that question. I got to be better. I have to revoke your blackness, Mike.

Mike, has Sean Payton ever won with a black quarterback? That's a good question. Uh, well, well, no, Sean, did Sean have, uh, Quincy Carter one time in Dallas? Was Sean, Sean Payton had Quince Carter with that after Sean Pate? I don't know if he would, he might have been in New Orleans by the time Chris Carter claim. But, but Sean, Sean, he's a great coach with, with quarterbacks. But, but you got them. play the game, Sean's way. And most of most, most black quarterbacks really play.

This goes back to what we were talking about, the post snap in the pre-snap play. See, he likes pre-snap quarterbacks. That's what Drew Reeves was because he didn't have the strong arm. You can see it, let it go first. And, and, you know, Russell wanted to move around and run around with the football. And that, that's what he gets upset about. Yeah. And no, and let's not forget, Sean, it was down with bound. You forgot about Bownie Gate. He forgot about that too. For the football morals, since we're on football morals, you know.

Yeah, you know. But I also know. So for those that don't know, it is what it sounds like. Sean Payton was putting hits on niggas. That's what he was doing. He said he putting on black men. That's what he was doing, man. Yeah.

So if we're on morals in football, like killer said, we got to call it, Mike. But let me be real quick, just before you go, I don't want to say it was on black people, though, because it's mainly on quarterbacks. But, go ahead, I'm sorry about that. Right, right. And let me just say this.

I know, and you guys, that's what we do. The stories get greater later. But, you know, like, the reality of it is, Sean took the blow, but Sean did not deliver the boundaries. That was the defensive coordinator. But Sean, as the head coach, you know, that was, I forgot the defense coordinator's name. Come on, Mike.

Come on, no, it really was. And this had followed the defensive coordinator, so they got on Sean because he hired him. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Sean had nothing to do with the bounty. That was the defensive coordinator in the defense putting in a pile. And, you know, and Sean had to take, take, take, that's why he ultimately left New Orleans. That's why I thought we can get them back. Because I was like, okay, good. They blamed him.

Maybe we can get them in Dallas now, but it didn't work out. You see what it's said. So, yeah, yeah. But that's how that went down. I know, I know sometimes the stories don't get out. Like when they said I did something, I sued the police in the news. I won the money, but everybody still thinks I did the crime. You see what I'm saying?

That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Mike. So you should show the same loved arms, Stavansky, whatever his name is in um in in cleveland yeah yeah what you mean what's what kind of love it's not his fault that's not his fault yeah them losing is not his fault no no no no i don't i don't see how that's i don't know about that one i don't see how y'all i don't see how you commingling those two i don't see the commingling right there i i don't see the commingling Right here.

I don't see it right there. Mike, you're so selective. It's crazy. You're crazy. Who do you think, Stan? I don't know if it's the same. And his silence was loud. So I think we got his answer from that.

But Mike, see how an apology came to all of this? Like, yeah. See, just open so many discussions. But before we get back to the AFC question, because I thought Cam brought up a good point. And I want to get you guys' opinion on this before we move on. He did say Drake May at this point is looking like that would be his MVP pick. So Mike, curious, what would your answer be?

Yeah, I'm with Cam on that. I'll bounce from one to the other, you know, because I'm always talking distance travel. And Cam so eloquently spoke about at Matthew Stafford's age and people have sat him aside. That's a distance travel to throw 41 touchdown. Yeah, that's insane. Now, but if you look at Drake May, you start saying, man, we see young quarterbacks come and we see them go. And they go so fast. And for him to have his team right here and playing the way they're playing.

And people who say they haven't played anybody, but they played everybody on their roster. You know what I mean? And they're in the NFL. So, you know, it's a tough split. I will go with the old guy with him too. I will go with the old guy just because he's the old guy and he threw

four to some touchdowns and that's way out front of everybody else. Like the other guy may have 27, 28, but he's like way out there. Okay. And then you guys all discuss the team that you trust the most, but in the AFC, what's the team that you trust

the least? What's the team that you're kind of like, we don't even know how they got here, Mike? And it's a scary one here now, you know, because you start looking at it and you think about like, wow, okay, let me tell you. It's an incredible job that Miko Ryan has done and we're not giving him enough credit because this man started 0 and 3, then lost his quarterback for three games and still found a way to get in this playoff and win games and do it with his side of football, as defense, you know, so it's hard for me to say, I would trust Houston the least. It's hard for me.

Well, it's not so hard. I, because now Jacksonville, I would say, has some of the greatest talent. But honestly, honestly, when I drop back and think about it all, that's probably where I land on who I trust the least. Now, you know, Denver and, you know, Harbaugh with the charges, Brable, with England, New England, those are real coaches. Lim Cone did a hell of a job turning Jacksonville around. Travelon did a hell of a job playing this year and turning it around. But we're about to play in this second season, and I don't know how any one of them will respond.

in this second season notice I didn't say react react means I'm expecting a negative thing to happen that's why the doctors tell you did you have a bad allergic reaction or if they ask you did you respond well to the medicine if it's going well it's respond if it's going bad it's reaction you understand out of the lesson Michael you're back to the you understand I just don't know how Jacksonville will respond when we take this next step at that level. And I don't know on the coaches,

and I don't know at the quarterback, the two most important positions on the football field. I rest my case, Your Honor. Well, Mike, I'm going to have to react to that. You gave me your response. Here's my reaction to what you're saying. I'm going to go on the record and see. I don't trust any of these new quarterbacks.

I know I said New England earlier, but all of these quarterbacks that this is their second year, this is their third year, I'm going to take all of them off the board because I don't know. I don't know what any of them are going to do. So that put Jacksonville there, and I hate to say that because that's home team. I would have to retract my statement about New England. I would have to say the same about the Bears. I would have to say the same about the 49ers and the Panthers. I got to go with the proven dogs, man. I got to just go with L.A.

You know, I've been a cool take if we were talking about the NFC, Mace, but we're in the FACC right now. Yeah, I talked about both sides. Stats falsely. I blame Statt, I guess, because, Mike, did you hear AFC? I heard the LFC. Yeah, Mace just took a lot of them.

So Mace just took us all over the world, though. I dealt with both sides. I ain't mad at you. I ain't mad at you. If we're talking about AFC... Wait, wait, wait. You ain't gonna set pause after I dealt with both sides? Oh, see ya, Mike.

That's right. Now, Mike coming in high, pause. Mike coming in height. Mike, I was letting you slide, pause. It's for real now, Mike. Yeah. All the gloves off. I'll miss y'all.

I don't mean to mess with y'all. Y'all know I miss y'all. No, Mike, that's what you got to do, the niggas. They'll do it to you, pause. Don't apologize for him slipping. That's him. He was slipping, pause. You want to let me slide.

Pause. I'm going to have to go with, look, this is a tough list. And to Mesa's point and to your point, Mike, it is a lot of young quarterbacks, but I'm not sitting here right. to say that I trust the Steelers because Aaron Rogers has, sorry, sorry, sat. I just can't, like, hide my facial. I see, I got it.

Yeah, I'm not going to say it's saying, because Aaron Rogers and Tom and Mike Tomlin have the most experience that I trust the Steelers the most, um, to me, if the team I trust the least is, and I, and I'm a fan of this team, not my team. but I'm just a fan of this team, but their inconsistency just leads me to say, I don't know, it's the Sandy, well, pardon me, the Los Angeles charges.

I'm a big fan, Jim Harbaugh, I'm a big fan of Justin Herbert, but as soon as you see them, get ready to go in and run, you're like, okay, and then they let you down. This was a roller coaster ride, and you know, they still made the playoffs, but all season long, you know, take three steps, you take a step back. You take four steps, you take two steps back. And that's how their season was. Jim Harbaugh has a playoff Super Bowl experience, not winning the Super Bowl,

but getting there, Justin Herbert. I'm not sure about them yet. But I'm looking at this list right here. And just the way that Justin Herbert has been performing, I think he's great, but I would take Trevor Lawrence ahead of him right now at this particular moment. It was people I was watching earlier on the week. that said, and shout out to my brothers on first take,

Stephen A in the crew, but there was some people in the show talking about that they would take Trevor Lawrence now, today I'm talking about, over Josh Allen. And I was like, God damn, man, like you can't even do yesterday, man. Like, God damn. That's that, man. Yeah, and I was, yeah, and I was, I was perturred about it. I was perturred, but that's, that's new hotness for you.

Yeah, that's, that's new, yeah. Yeah, that is new happens for you. And this was on first take. Like I said, I always, you know, we come on, we come on 8 a.m. I watch my brother Stephen A. and his show at 10 a.m. And I couldn't believe it. It was four different analysts up there. Two of them said that they would say Trevor Lawrence today over Josh Allen.

But, no, not to be too long wondered on the topic. The one team, if I had to pick a team, I liken the way Trevor Lawrence is playing better than Justin Herbert. So those are the two teams that I came down to. Jacksonville and the Chargers and because of that simple reason I'm going to go with the Chargers or who I trust the least.

Okay, good takes y'all. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will get into our NFC predictions. Don't go anywhere. Okay. Hey, if you want to put the light on it. DJ, the dime life

brand is serious. I love that shirt you got on. Like this. And your bank is. count is that much. You say we have to fucking want a second. Rally around him with that, you know, the picture of the, his daughter sitting on the lap, the LSU player. Will we have to be you can join us? Man, thank you for having me.

Look, I tell you. Hey, boy. Okay, let me try like this. I got too much money to be fighting. He ain't got that number. And we've taken that song a long time and made it our anthem. Paul A. Jenkins. I even put your bullshit-ass book up here on my, on my, you know what I mean? Welcome to start with the facts. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day on Saturday.

Bears will play the Packers. Underdog has Caleb Williams at 209 and a half passing yards. Do you have higher or lower Mace? I'm going higher. I like what the young fella is doing, Paws. And I think this is, this is the time to show out. This is the time that, the show you belong. So I'm looking for him to do great here.

Teams against that, I'm sorry. Yeah, Bears versus Packers. We got Caleb Williams at 209 and a half passing yards. Let me go higher. Hi. Caleb Williams are comfortable. They look real comfortable out there, man. Yeah, I just want to just know it's just, when you do well, like you see how just like things change.

Because people always think like, oh, why me? But it started with collab and then the nails. And now it's like, okay, like, we don't see what he can do. Like, that's pretty cool. And his dog at the top of the stadium, all that. We've seen the growth. Like, shout out. The thing about it is this, and you're right, it's time for growth.

You know, we're in a do it tomorrow, pause, world. We want to see it now. And it's been time for growth. When you think about quarterbacks who's there growing now, when you sit there and think about a Sam Donald, it's somebody who's potentially career could have been over three years ago. So when you think about Kayla Williams, you know, we, I'm not going to give them, you know,

I said this before, I'm not crediting a fish for swimming. He's a football player. He's supposed to win. I'm not giving the fish credit for swimming. When you lose, you lose. Nobody, there's a song, man, and yo, it was a song that used to play in this tournament when we is younger. And after the game, it's called somebody ought to win, somebody ought to lose.

losers citywide. And if you lost and they played that song, you hated it. And if you won and they played that song, you loved it. You lose it, don't feel good, man. It doesn't feel good. So it also feels really good, pause, when you get to go back and say, yeah, remember you was talking shit about me. Do your thing, nigga.

Do your thing. So I'm happy he's doing well. So is he still collab to you, or has you got his name right? I can pronounce his name, right? So a few Caleb's out there now, that all the other and seeing that name floating around. Must have been popular, however old he is, 22 years ago, 23 years ago,

because I've seen like three, four Caleb's now. OJ would be happy. Super happy. Yeah. OJ. OJ would be thrilled. And it's just funny that you bring up, you know, it's good when you win

because, of course it is, because, you know, everybody just said so much about a lot of different teams up here that people like, so good point. It's so fun. I just had to throw it in there. It's just she was in last year, Stan. It's fine.

like Miami, the Steelers. He was happy around this time last year. I'm always happy at the beginning of the year. Yeah, celebrate the first round. First week after the buy and joy. We'll see. Okay, Jordan Love is at 223 and a half passing yards. Do you have them higher, lower, cam?

All right. Yeah, higher. Okay, and Josh Jacobs is at half a rushing and receiving touchdown. Do you have them higher, lower mace? I'm gonna go higher. We're higher too, man. You know, underdog, they play these half touchdown.

Damn it's a half a touchdown, I'm going to hire, man. They try and get you, not going to use cold cam, they won't get you when you use cold cam, higher. There you have it. Make sure you out download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So we discussed the AFC, time to discuss the NFC. So they got the Seahawks, Bears, Eagles, Panthers, Rams, 49ers and Packers. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, listen, let me just say this.

Let me say this, you know, how my brain works. Like, I'm sitting here, I'm looking at this desk. Bad jokers. We got three of the bad jokers at what they do in the world. And I got my boys with me. And I'm telling you, I tell you all the time, everywhere I go, treasure, everybody's thing. So, so, so now listen, I got my boy, Mike over here

just like 20. Tell my son, I say, hi. I said, I say, I say, Thank you. I'm in second grade. Right, right. Here, Mike. Come on, come on.

Come on. And then you. And then Michelle, yeah, man. Yeah. Michelle says, I'm gonna cook for. I'm gonna come out of him. Well, I ain't said, man. I'm gonna cook for him, man.

They ain't said nothing about you, Cam, and me. Yeah. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking you knuckle. What are they talking about? Oh, that's dope. I appreciate it. It's good, guys. How y'all doing?

Nice to meet y'all. Yeah. They say what's up. They say what's up, man. Well, I guess they're talking to STAT. No, I appreciate it, though, because I love what I do and I love the support from everybody. So it means a lot. So shout out to y'all.

Thank you, Mike, always. And then, Mr. Chef, you're going to have to shout out your cooking. You don't know that. Stats, Stats, Stad, I'm serious, that. And I'm not joking. It's not hyperbole here. people love you girl I ain't lied girl they like they they they be taught everywhere I go I guess they think you know like man what's shit like listen man you know

that's great girl man we're gonna push you broo abuse but you know but you know you're like my sister you know and they are come on man calm down man come down you know what I mean it's just everywhere but but not just do do do it do but but ladies too and the respect they have for you no no cap on this i'm serious girl i'm just so proud of you being from the you doing your thing like you're doing and and it reverberates it's everybody's talking about it so i just wanted to tell you that you know that's super dope means a lot to me i appreciate you so much mike and then y'all up here too because this is literally like i always say the best job ever and i love what we do up here i love the banter

talking up here it's so much fun so i really do truly appreciate that you already know you are you already know how that goes so yeah okay so nfc you guys heard the teams mike who do you trust the most and it's so funny you guys be just talking about sam donald because this the only concern i have when you start talking about seattle now i posted something earlier this season Right. I forgot who they were playing. And I said, this Seattle defense reminds me of the 85 bears, the 2,000 Ravens, and those steel curtains. I mean, you get nothing on that, on that defense. And that's how they are playing. Now, here we go again. Sam Donald, in that last game, a win and win at all game, which is a big game, he missed some plays. The first play, first chance they get a touchdown, Sam missed a wide-open guy in the flat. You know, now they came back and won that game

and because they didn't ask Sam to do too much, but he's going to have to do more in the playoffs. And that's the only concern that I have when I'm talking Seattle. But it's a scary concern because it's the quarterback. So I would have to say, and now, that's my defense. If I'm going to say which offense I trust, I would certainly take the Rams. I would take the Rams all the way if I knew that Devonte out of handstring was going to cooperate the whole playoffs.

But I don't know that. And that's what scares me because they're one team with them and one team without them. So I guess I'm saying this. I have to pulse up between the Rams and the Seahawks. And that's on what day they play. But since the Seahawks won, the number one overall seat, and they just beat the Rams, I would have to just lean towards the ramp, the Seahawks in their defense.

Yeah, I hate to disagree with you, Mike, but I'm going to have to go with the champs. You got to go with the champs until they beat the champs. You got to be the champs, you know, like I think as much as Philly has not played their best, when you look at the playoffs. But not who's going to win is who do you trust most. Right now with what you've seen. Yeah, that's...

Who do you trust the most? I trust champs. It's hard for me to see you. You trust... Mike, I trust champs. I trust champs. That's been my pedigree, the whole show, Mike. But you trust it.

I trust the champs, Mike. Can you let me speak, Mike. Mike, you're line stepping, Mike. You're line stepping, Mike. You're line stepping, Mike. I know what you're going back to. You're being facetious, Mike. You're being facetious, Mike.

I got a... I got it in the words and killing. Can I have my goal, Mike? Mike, I got to go with the champs, Mike. When I thought about it, you know, if they get past the 49ers, can they beat Green Bay or or Caleb Williams? right this and if they get that far do you trust them to get there and lose it after they was already there that pedigree of championship just a kick back in mike you know about this

you have rough times and then you figure out hey fellas we hear we know what this is about we have something that everybody else doesn't have and that's the experience of how to get there right mike once you know your way there it's easier to go back there because you know your way there everybody else is trying to figure out their way so if i was going with the team i trust the most i'm going to go with the philadelphia eagles this is a toss-up as both to be honest with you both of those are really good answers uh really good answers uh i like both of that and i like that answer mesa i usually don't agree with you i usually don't but look you people People talk shit about Philly the last two, three years.

They're not doing this, and not doing that. This is not right. And they end up in the championship some type of way. And they still always make it. You talk shit of Jaylen Hershey, really, quarterback. He ain't throwing this many yards. And, you know, what's the Marvin thing of name? He read the Bible on the side of the lines.

You know, listen, man, it's always something. Yeah, AJ Brown, pardon me. And some type of way, they make it back to the Super Bowl. Whether they win or lose, they get there the last few years. Not consecutively last few years, but it's been them in Kansas City. And you sit there and say, all year you sit there and complain about them. They may have a dominant season two years ago, but, you know, even last year, you're like, I don't know. And then they're in the big dance.

So I like Mace's answer, but my answer is this. And I would have said, you know what I'm really, I was sitting there saying in the last four or five weeks of the season. 49 is looking tough. 49 is looking like they hit, they stride. They look really good. They had that shootout with the Chicago Bears. That's when Caleb Williams, to me, had a real coming out party,

even though they lost that game. And then they sit there and throw up a dud last game on the season. Listen with the 49th had lined up. They don't score a touchdown, right? If they win that game, they get the buy against the Seahawks. Not only get the bar,

you get every playoff game at home and then Mike just explained it for the you, the same thing would have been for them. Right. A Super Bowl at home. So you sit there and know how port in this game is and can't get a quarter, get a touchdown

and the buyer's on the line, home court field is, home field advantages on the line and the Super Bowl, you didn't have to leave home. Now they got fly course, the country and all type of shit. And that really gave me pause to cause when it came with the 49ers, because I thought they actually hit their shot. What I do find interesting is this, Mike.

You know, you really opened my eyes. And I gave Stadda, her credit to Pooka. Pooka. I even remember the name. I was calling the Pookie all season. Pooka Nakua. And I'm sitting there saying, Matthew Stafford and Pooka Nakuwa,

them niggas is special, really, really special. And then I sit there and say, who got the buy? Who got the bomb, Mike? I'm asking. Hey, the Seahawks. The Seahawks. Who played for the Seahawks? Who played?

Who the receiver? Pooka. No, Pooka is for the ramps. Who's the receiver? Oh, no, you're talking about for the Seahawks. Yeah, JSCN. And who else? Smith and Nick and Jigma.

Who else? Wait, for the Seahawks? Yeah. Cooper Cup. Who are you talking about? That's the man. But Cooper Cup? Oh yeah, Cooper.

Yeah. I was the only one that says Seattle. You remember. I remember that. Yeah. And you was like, you'll get Cooper. You'll get Cuba out of here. They're all the new nigger.

They ain't got to pay. That's why I'm out of giving you a quiz to remind you how you say. They got the new name. Don't get me wrong. To me, as much as I love, Jamar, Chase, Justin Jefferson, Pooka Nicole was the best receiver this year. In my eyes, just looking for my eyes. Right.

I'm not looking at statistics. I'm not looking at the numbers. Just the shit he was doing, to me, he was the best wide receiver in football this year. You're right. But you got a nigga over there that's not necessarily even the number one anymore in Seattle, maybe number two talking about Cooper Cup.

Like, give me the rock, nigga. Yeah, give me the rock, nigga. These niggas, they thought they had one over there. I'm still one. I'm a Super Bowl MVP, nigga. Yeah, and we're gonna get this by. And if the Rams winning them next, the first round, they come to see us.

Yeah, I need revenge on the. these niggins. Because they thought Pooka was one of them niggas, which he is. But sometimes niggers play for bigger and better, you know, it's not just about the victory. He's like, these niggins tried to get rid of me, B. Throw it my way, I got us tonight. And that's a big game that I really want to see. That's the game that I'm really, really want to see.

I think that the Rams will pull it off if they played each other, but the storylines behind it are really big. I'm sorry I was long-winded. The team I trust the most. I'm going to, and I know what you was trying to get at with Mace, Mike, saying, who do you trust right now? I'm going to have to agree with them. I got to go with the champs because I got to.

Okay, killer, come on. No, that's not your team. That's not your team. Mace is not your team. I'm not, hey, hey. It's not your team. And the reason I'm going, listen, if that's the case, listen there, don't get it. I can't get no credit, you know.

I'm good. agreeing with you, I don't understand what more you want. Yo, you wouldn't know else I'm not going, out my way. I'm just not, I'm not doing it, bro. I'm agreeing with you and I, you know, like, not one credit is never, is never enough credit. But on a serious note, as much as you sit there and say, Philly can't be trusted, I'm not talking about you, Mike,

or just answering the question in general, So they know how to win this time of year. Matthew Stafford and Sharman Bay, they got one too. Don't get it fucked up. But to me, Philly knows how to silence the noise this time of year and say, this is where we need to win. So out of everybody I trust, I have to go with Philly because they had this core together the last few years, controversy or not.

Okay. And then on the flip side, Mike, what's the team that you trust the least? Oh, and NFC, and this is, now this is a more difficult question because, like, I love what I see a young Chicago Bears, Caleb Williams now, you know, sometimes he'll lose it on his reading, like one, two, three, go here, go here, go there, and he's still processing and learning that part, but what he's great at right? now and what he loves and look forward to is what's big in these playoffs he wants the big moments he doesn't mind being having a club playing close games he wants the chance to run around scramble and make that great play to make the to win the game that kind of padding on the back man you get a great play man you're the hero you know that's addictive too you you like that and that makes him a big play player but in the playoffs those

big plays or what gets you in trouble and you start reverting back to who you were because you start pressing because you think this is it is literally do what died so when I start thinking about who I trust the least man it when health wise I would be calling out Green Bay operational wise operational in the NFC trust in the lease I would have to say it's probably those car go bears. They allow you to run the ball on them. And then that's what gets some in trouble. And Taylor Williams have to make those big plays. If he comes trying to make big plays and make big mistakes, there is no way to fix it next week. So I would have to give it to the bears. Yeah, I would agree with you to semi with that because, you know, like you said, trying to make

those big plays, people get to read the back on the back field get the reading his eyes, pause, and those are going to be picks. And sometimes people, let you think you got it all the way into the end of the game and get the pick when they want to get it. So that's what I look at Chicago. And another one I would go with is North Carolina, the Panthers, you know?

This is just too fast, you know? The Panthers would be the team I would have went with if you never said anything and gave that good explanation about the Bears, the Panthers. I don't even know what the fuck is. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Mike, it's not your goal. This is what Mace was talking about. You're lying stuff and you have to wait. No, no, no, I can't let you do it. Both of the, I don't know, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, because, no, you know what? We don't ever get it. No, no, no, no.

You're not glitching. Listen, you're not glitching, Mike, so you're not lying. Listen, I, my whole point is I'm going to be honest with you. What I was going to say is this. I don't know what you was talking about, and I don't even know I'm mace agreed with you. It's the North Carolina Panthers without even a blink of a knife. You ain't have to give that big speech about Caleb Williams.

May I have to agree with you about the speech about Caleb. It is the North Carolina Panthers, the team you trust the least. This is the team. And Mike, I want to ask you a question about this after I finish my take. This is a team that's not 800. I'm really mad that Tampa Bay is not in it. They finish with the same records to Falcons, three-way tie, eight and nine, not even 500.

What are y'all talking about? You know, in the backfield, they're going to read his eyes, And then that's going to lead him to the pick. And, you know, when Caleb Williams said, hey, this is not even not. Yeah, I was just segue. Yeah, listen, if you wanted to agree to make them feel good.

I understand. That's why I didn't let him go. In no way, you're going to try and jump back in and act like he ain't get of all that bullshit when the North Carolina Panthers are under 500 players. That's why I wasn't going to let him try and jump back in and change this shit around, giving us all these in. Sometimes you're overdoing it, Mike, with your football expertise.

You're overdone it. You know, when the pass rush comes and they're running the nickel in the formation, yo, Mike, it is the Carolina Panthers. And that's just that, man. I don't even know why I made's tried to agree with you. I couldn't wait for my goal. I was sitting here like this. I don't know.

What these niggas talking about? Yo, what are they talking? Yeah. What are they talking about? What are they talking about the trust the least? What I want to do? What I do? want to ask you, Mike, though, real quick, we talked, I've talked about it yesterday of my

disgust for it. Two, it's two-part question. I was saying, before I tell you, what I asked you the question, I was saying that, that the NFL needs to figure something out because it's no way in the world that North Carolina should be hosting a playoff game. It's no way in the world. So what I wanted to ask you is this. How do you feel, and you may just feel, Look, Cam, listen, this is the way I've been for years. They won the division. They get the game. You may feel like that.

I want to know just how do you feel knowing they finished the season eight and nine, basically one in the division by default and get the host of playoff game. Do you think that's right or you just like Kim, that's just the way it is? Or do you think they need to change that around? Like, I don't care if y'all want a division. the fucking 49ers are 13 at 4. They need to host a game. How do you feel about that?

Because in order to have harmony, you've got to have some kind of structure. Okay. Or we will have chaos to this thing, you know? So if you just start trying to realign or say best team with best record. Well, now we don't have a true judge because, you don't you didn't play the same teams and everything so now at least we go in divisions because divisions each division each team is pretty much playing the same record you know at different times you're going to play each other twice and then you'll play the whole NFC West you know so that's the same records each team in that division played the same team so we can determine who leads in this division that's the crucial part I think And I do the way like it, like it, the way it is because it gives us that structure.

Now, you start talking about the NFNFC West, when you got San Fran, Seattle, in the Ram, all double-digit wins. You're saying that record's much better than this team. And you said, no way, we should be, you should be going to the Rams. But Carolina beat the Rams, 31, 28. couple weeks ago. You see what I'm saying? And alone as we keep it in these divisions and these silos, where we have harmony and making the assessment on who wins the division, then at least we keep from coming up on what the hell we're dealing with in college football. I don't want to hear somebody tell me, I can tell Carolina is not as bad. It's not better than the Rams.

because I can see on the field where Carolina beat the Rams. The game ain't about what you see. It's about what happens on game day. And in those games, Carolina did what they needed to do to win the division. I don't say they back then. They won eight games. They won those games. Each game counts the same.

That goes back to when they were trying to say to Miami. Well, first week of the season don't count as much in the 17th week. That's a lie. When we start meeting people do it and take it off the football field, people start making their own assessment, and that is where it gets crazy. So, you know, no, no, they won the division. Remember the time that happened when Seattle won the division in New Orleans had that great record, and they had to go to Seattle, and Seattle was like a 500-a-belo team. And that's when you got that beast run, and Seattle won that game. even though New Orleans had the best record.

I only remember the game because that's where the Beast Mode run came from. And they made history in that game with that run. But yeah, you got to let it play the way it plays so we can measure harmony to harmony. Gotcha. No, I don't agree with that, Mike. Even in the NFC, there was other teams

that had a better record than them. So I think as long as it's still in the NFC, they should be able to make that change. Because then you would have the Lions. The Lions will be in the playoffs. Yeah, but, but, but, but the Lions knew what they had to do at the beginning of the year to get in the playoff. They, so we're not cheating them. They fell short of the criteria.

It's not like we changed it as we went along. You see what I'm saying? So I'm not trying to change it to get them in when y'all knew the rules before we started. That's what I was asking. Do you like it like that? But you explained it right well. I understand what you said. So in the comments down below, let us.

know if y'all agree with their takes. But before we wrap, there's just some breaking news that we got to get to real quick. So we're going to switch gears to NBA. So Tray Young's time in Atlanta has come to an end. The four-time All-Star was traded by the Hawks to the Wizards for C.J. McCollum and Corey Kisper. It was reported that Washington was a preferred destination for him. So Mike, after hearing that, why do you think Washington was a preferred destination? And do you like this for him? For him. Yes. And for Atlanta also. Now, Atlanta has had some great super, super athletes, superheroes, you know, the Dion Sanders, you know, Trey Young's and guys that left, you know. And Trey is a unique talent, a real unique talent. But Trey in Atlanta, I don't know if you ever would have gotten there. Right now, Atlanta got a young team, and they're actually. playing better when trades out. And that young team now wants to hear it in a new direction. And I applaud what Atlanta's doing. And trade smart enough to know, I'm a small guy that's a dominating score, a dominating score. He's always going to be a liability on the defense.

So when you see a preferred spot, he knows where he has to go so he can maximize what he wants to do. So I think Washington, and Washington is like one, eight or ten games, you know, I think Washington who's needing a presence and needing a number one guy or big time score, I think that's a good spot for him. But I think it's a great trade for Atlanta. Like I said, they got a nice young squad. And from what I understand, they want to go and try to get another big contract.

And the whispers are they want to try to come and get AD from Dallas. That's why they need to free up that money. Yeah. I love this trade for Atlanta. I hate this trade for the Wizards. And for real reasons, right? Watching Trade Young and Atlanta has been amazing because, you know, the shooting, the scoring, everything like that.

But why I like it for Atlanta is because the other wing players are playing exceptionally well, like you said. they're doing better without them in the lineup. The ball flows better. Sometimes you have people that are good, but in order for them to be good, they make the team worse, and that was kind of like what he was doing down in Atlanta.

With them out of this lineup, if you put on C.J. McCollum at the one, this team automatically becomes a much better team, like basketball-wise, just everything they could do because they got a lot of up-and-coming talent on the wings, that are going to it should be their team anyway so i think that's a great thing the reason why i hate this for um the wizards is because they already have a guard that's at the wizards that's playing exception that was playing exceptionally well at least last year um he was traded from um

what's that Milwaukee and he was doing really well so i don't see why they will bring um bring tray young there to mess that up and he's a young talent Just doesn't make sense. Who would they get for Trey, you know? C.J. McCollum and Corey Kisper. I think that Atlanta, I don't know their relationship. It didn't seem like it was going good with Trey and Atlanta. I'm not saying I didn't see anything.

Anybody blurting out. I didn't see any, you know, sometimes it doesn't have to be verbal. You know, it shows on the court and it shows on the record. But, Trey has a player option at the end of this year. He can opt in for $49 million at the end of this season for the 26, 27 season. Or you can opt out. And I think that Atlanta was saying, look, I don't think we're going to win this year with him. We haven't been winning any other year with him.

Let's get something for the time being. Because at the end of this year, we may not be able to get nothing. I'm not saying, and don't get me wrong, shout to C.J. McCullough, big fan of C.J. McCullough. I'm not saying that's the best. things in the world to get, but maybe it can have value to where Atlanta can least make a great playoff push, maybe an eight seed, seventh seed, the time the playoffs come. But when you got to play an option and your players are happy, not saying trade won't opt it in for the $50 million, but even next season, he's going to want out after the 26, 27 season. So I thought this was a business

decision on Atlanta's part, especially being that things aren't working right now. Yeah, I definitely I agree. I feel like it was very calculated, which is why they put him over there. But the Hawks do have some really good pieces. So, like, I think that they have a lot. That's what I was thinking. And the guard I was talking about is AJ Johnson, AJ Johnson. But they say he's a two guard. But I was thinking about him at the one.

He was just going crazy. The moves he was making was phenomenal pause. So just thinking about him and already having, like, a breakout type of career at this point in this career. it just didn't make sense to bring a guard that's so ball-dominant, like when it comes to Trey Young. But when you think of Alex Starr with the pick-and-row, it may be phenomenal for Alex Starr, you know, a rising arm center that's going to be like 7-4-7-3. Then be able to do a pick-and-roll with Trey Young is great when he can shoot it the way he can.

And Mike, did you have a question? And you're right. Yeah, yeah, because Swains is right on a couple things. you know, yeah, you talk about AJ, he goes through the tool, but this is the ball dominance of Trey. And that's the whole thing. And that says, oh, my God, this could be something. But here's what I'm thinking about. For Trey's perspective, he's going from a city, you know, well, you know, Phil is the city of brotherly love, but it's a lot of brotherly love in Atlanta, sometimes too much brotherly loving, to be honest with it, in Atlanta. So he's going from a city,

where the brothers do show love to a city where there's a whole lot of brothers to show love in Washington. So that should be good for them. You know what? I've always thought about, Trey, and I just dropped this here before we get out of here. It's like, I don't want to call them,

certainly not a poor man. We're talking about these options of $50 million, but almost in the space, but not the full aura of Alan Iverson. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, you, you, you can do all of that. You can do this great story. But Alan Iverson, yeah, I don't know what I'm saying.

My boy do his own thing, but I'm not going to do it. Yeah, you and Stack can finish the show now. You're trying to put them next to Salonovison. I can't participate in conversation. I don't even, I can't even hear him. I even got my headphones and put in Tray Young. You and Stack could finish the show up. I love to be yourself, Mike.

I'll be here. You got you with a football analyst. Mike, Mike. Stick the football, Mike. While disrespectful. And Mike, we can't hear you, Mike. We can't hear you. You can tell, stat and toe to the rest of the way.

You're not going to participate. No, come on, man, listen. I'm going to bring this up. And then, disrespected. You're going to bring this point. They, y'all, we apologize on. We apologize. We apologize.

we got company today and we apologize we're sorry yeah like they can't hear you sorry about that but you know hope it works out for tray and as far as the hawks jalen johnson this is your team but this is all the time that we have for today mike this is all the time we're giving you today we're not going back and forth and what else kill us I wasn't saying he ain't I, man. I was saying he's a little left than this. Okay, I'm ready to go. Yeah, they're tuned out.

Point of no return. We're going to see you again today. All right. Yeah, sorry, Mike. It was a pleasure to have you. Mike, come back next week with a better attitude, Mike. Don't come in here doing that, Mike. Y'all get old out of hill, man.

Yep. All right. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.