IT IS WHAT IT IS - WHO IS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL WHITE ATHLETE OF ALL TIME AND HOW MA$E & CAM'RON HAVE INFLUENCED MEDIA

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

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It was good, man. I can't start to show without my money, yo. You bring the money. I can't work like this. I prefer you drop the money off in the producer, um, please. Oh, you got the money, okay. You know what? I'm really proud of you, mother.

I'm proud of you on your payments, yo. I'm proud of you, man. Yeah, you know what's crazy, mother? I'm gonna tell you because you might, because you might love you. Yeah, what should I get paid for you coming on the show? Pause naked with no shorts on, bro. And getting dressed on the show, man. I got a shorts on, man.

What are you talking about? I had on underwear. I just put my shorts on. You just hurt me. You come to shows in your underwear, the killer. That's crazy. But go ahead. I don't want to line stuff.

You know. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, no. You go ahead. You go ahead. I'm going to let you go. Pause. The thing about it is this, murder.

I would have been the studio. I don't know what kind of shit you got going on. We had a pack. We said it's crazy this week to come. We was on the war. We was on bless that day. I thought we had a thing on pause. Then you pop up and act like I ain't show up.

I thought we had a heart to heart. the heart. I thought it was like, yeah, the shit fucked up. Yeah, I definitely didn't want to come out this week, pause with everything going on in the world. It's just a terrible time to be flying, you know, so I definitely understand that. Yeah, no, we talked about it. But I'll be there for the next three weeks. I don't have nothing to do outside of being in the studio, even if I got a drive back. but I thought there was the brotherhood. You would drive, you would drive that far? No, not.

I go probably before I do that. It wasn't, it was a time that I would have. It used to be a time that I would have fun doing that. Yeah, stop bad place somewhere. Yeah, yeah, and I probably know somebody somewhere. Yeah, them days is over, man. I would just fly private before that. But good to see you, man.

I'm happy that you've run the money, man. Really proud of you on that part. More than anything else, I'm really surprised, man. I'm actually shocked. That thought it's gonna be a wrestling match. What happened yesterday? We missed you, man. Yeah.

I can't say it on the show. Yeah. Well, just so you know, murder. Yeah. And just so you know, because you'll probably see next week. Yeah. Me and Nick sent more palm trees. So our palm trees got there before your palm trees.

He had his palm trees on the show and all that yesterday, man. Then I mean he's a backstabber. That's all I mean. Because I sent money. How? You know what I mean about the fix being in. Oh, you said to me. He's a backstabber.

Wow. What? Like, what is the definition of a backstabber? Yeah, I'm done with the fix. I'm done with the fix. Yeah. It's a backstack when we do the backstaffed, niggas, though. What is the backstabber team?

Mo Talk. We talked about, you know, the renovations of the space and all of that. Okay. I don't want to get into it, but I just thought that was wow. You know, I ain't going to throw that out there. It's just really very backstabish, you know. Uh, no, I don't know. But, because like that means that you just took too long.

No, that mean, that mean, no, that mean you guys, it's called double dipping. For it's like when somebody does something. And it's like a girl, right? Yeah. She let one guy pay for something. And then another, she tells another guy she needs to rent too. Yeah. And they both give her rent, you know, so.

I hear what you're saying. but if the other guy had no intent to pay the rent at all but the other guy gave the rent there's the thing how do we know that how do we know that you saw my you saw my statement right yes what did i say you said he backs he's a backstaffer yes you know i'm okay i'm okay Either way, you know, it wouldn't be it wouldn't surprise me. I was I was on the bad boy, you know. Okay. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Murder, murder. He ain't doing nothing wrong. We sent the trees. He ain't asked for them. We just sent him. I thought you said he said that I didn't do something. So that's that was a. But no, just because you're right.

Just because they sent trees doesn't mean first. First. No. It wasn't. It wasn't first. Your trees are coming. It wasn't first.

Oh, okay. I don't talk about the things I do, you know? Yeah, I see that today. I don't talk about it. I don't bring it up, you know? Oh, okay. When you're philanthropic, you don't bring up your philanthropy, you know? But I understand, you know, your trees made it.

And your trees just now it's, it's, you pull back that. No, no. I can't still show up. I can't say all that I do. I can't say all I do. It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be me if I, If I said everything I did, you know. Okay.

Okay. I guess we'll ask them. But I like, I like their trees, you know. Oh, what they look like? Huh? What they look like? No. If they say they sent them, then they sent them, you know?

Who am I to say, you know? But Nick send them trees. You see the, you see the, you see the, you see the collaboration? We have a audience, so they have to follow too. No, but do you see the collaboration, though, right? Nick with the bubble now. Nick sent in trees cams and trees now you almost got in it but they're gonna trees but I'm ready for the show stat I'm I just did it because I want that

on Harlem man I wanted to look like I don't want to put that on us I told them now in the show I said that ain't that ain't like a Harlem nigga man I want to put that on the burrow man that's that's all it was about man there's more for you. It was more for you. Shaloo. Yeah. There's more for me and you.

Yeah. I like that. I like that. Shout out Marr. Okay. We're going to start with football. So the Patriots are set to release wide receiver, Stefan Diggs after the start of the league year.

I know it. Now, the decision they said is purely financially motivated. He had an additional six million set to become fully guaranteed at the end of next week, prompting the Patriots. to make a decision Wednesday and inform him ahead of time. So I know they're saying it's a financial decision. You're saying you knew it. So I said this prior shows, you know, a few shows ago,

I said if they have to pay him this money by, I think it was March 13th or something to that effect. I said they're definitely waving them. This, it was just the same way with Sean Payton when it came to Russell, Russell Wilson. They did the same exact thing. And sometimes, you know, they're looking at the bottom line, and especially when they don't win the championship.

They have no right to honor this, you know. They didn't win the championship. They got to save that money to make sure they win next year. Now, they better win next year. I really would have liked Stefan Diggs to get this money. But when it comes to a business deal, that's the hard side of business. And it's very unfortunate because, you know, with everything else that you got going know I offer the field, this $6 million could really help a lot of people.

Yeah, I don't think this is nowhere near Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was over like 30 something million. It's $6 million. I think me personally that is too much. The Patriots are like the Spurs and the NBA and they just don't tolerate a lot of off-the-field activity. Six million for the Patriots is not a lot. Think about this.

He had a team. 85 receptions over a thousand yards receiving four touchdowns his numbers were tremendous if they get him for six million that's that's a fucking that's more than a bargain it's too much baby mothers it's too much cardi be my opinion i'm not saying for him i'm talking about for the organization not only that he's facing felony strangulation charges we've seen this and i'm not comparing the felony strangulation to murder or attempt murder, but we've seen this with Aaron Hernandez. The Patriots, even though Bill Belichick is going,

Robert Kraft knows how to run the organization. That's why the Patriots are back where they're at after declining for a couple years after Tom Brady and Bill Belichick left. But the production that he gave on the team and his numbers and the give for $6 million, you can't beat that. Man, listen, now they have to find a void, they got to fill a void for Drake May.

That's a security blanket for Drake May. It's kind of like, you know, how we see, even though they haven't been together as long, but you see how Mahomes, if anybody else isn't doing good, Travis Kelsey, just get open for half a second. I'm throwing it to you. And that's a veteran receiver that Drake may have. I think this is purely only off-the-field stuff because you can't get that a better deal than $6 million. and the production he made for the team. You know, I don't think you get to the Super Bowl without Stefan Diggs.

And I'm not saying that they don't have other receivers there, but he's the most productive receiver throughout the year. So to me, this is just a Patriot way. And I think that Stefan Diggs actually handled this pretty classy. He just said, you know, I want to thank you guys for a hell of a year, man, we fairly fell. He posted that on his social media. So I think he handled it well, and I'm pretty sure he'll find another job pretty soon,

especially with the year you had last year. So you know the question's going to be now that he's no longer with the Patriots, which I think like it was a good situation, but clearly there's probably too much going on. What do you think his potential landing spot should be? Well, with everything he got going on, Miami will be a great place, being that they're fresh out of getting rid of Tariq Hill, this will be the perfect landing spot for him with everything he wants to do if he want to be on boats.

So you want to have extra curriculum activity as well as playing in the NFL league. It's not something I would subscribe for him with everything that else is going on. But for sometime a person's demeanor in their character, goes with a certain city. Like if he was in L.A., it'll be phenomenal. If he was in Miami, it'll be phenomenal.

So I think those are some primary spots for him. I wouldn't be mad with him going to New York, you know? He'd go to New York with the young quarterback and everything they're doing up there with Harbaugh. There might be a quick turnaround with Scatterball and him and the other receiver. This could turn around pretty fast. Yeah, I haven't put much story to that, but the team mates just talked about all of them teams

mates just, I don't know about LA if they need them, but definitely New York and definitely Miami with some great answers, I think, off the top of my head. I've only done any homework and see who's going to be available this offseason and who's not and who needs a, you know, I don't think he's a number one at this point, but he's definitely a veteran number two. I don't think he should be your number one receiver, but somebody who needs a number two, or potentially even number three,

he'll find a job. But those teams that Mace said are pretty good. Yeah. I'm going to name some options that people said. So some have commanders, Ravens, 49ers, Titans, and Steelers, and so my question you, Mesa, is do you still seem as a number one option or no? And then I know you've named a great list,

but just wondering if any of those come to mind, too. Yeah, I think the teams that you name are not, suitable for his for his style of lifestyle you know right now because of everything is so out there he's better all pretty much not running with it but he's going to have to live in that space and if you're going to live in that space Pittsburgh is not the place to be doing that you know what else place you said Baltimore and you know the commanders that those are good those are good cities, but, you know, with what he's trying to do, I think he may need to go to Kansas City. Kansas City would be good. Cardi B. and Taylor Swift will win every game.

I don't know if Cardi B is still in the situation, but I hear you. Yeah. Oh, okay. Maybe I'm, you know, I'm a week removed, you know. So is he still with Cardi B or not? I mean, they're saying they. That's not a thing. Oh, okay. Well, well, well, Well, you know, I'm in my business, you know. I think Miami and New York will be great places. If he can land in Kansas City, we would love to have them in Kansas City, pause. Okay. Kim, any final thoughts before you move on?

I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying I don't know. I'm just saying I will have to look into it more closely before I give a definitive answer. Because to me, I get what Mason said, and I get 100%. totally understand, but an organization that wants them now may throw that in there, look, we don't need all this. Are you going to be able to get off, stop having this person come, that person come?

I don't know. It depends on what you want to tolerate from him and what he's willing to, not say necessarily use the word dumb down, but take away from public perception. Is it not going to be another baby mother popping up? Is it not going to be another situation where you're getting into it? altercations and those are meetings that he would have to have with those organizations and when he has those meetings it's about if they believe him or not so I don't want to give a definitive answer on where he should go or shouldn't go but I do think that his lifestyle

outside of football is going to have to settle down a little bit at least in the public eye and I know that's going to be hard because sometimes you don't ask for your lifestyle to be in the It just happens to be in the public eye because you're being watched. We talked about it yesterday on the show actually to where, I forget who he was talking about, but we was like, sometimes yeah, outside lifestyle is not going to, I think it's Zion, matter of fact. Yeah, I had to be. I'm not mistake. Yeah, yeah, we was just like, yo, basically,

you, he wouldn't get so much criticism, I don't think if he wasn't DMing bitches or, you know, he wasn't seen at every restaurant and so on and so forth. Sometimes you don't ask for this publicly. It just happens to come with the territory when you're a celebrity athlete or et cetera. So I think it's all about what the organization is willing to put out with whichever team is with. He's with and what he's willing to try and keep out the public eye. Yeah, good takes. Okay, so there's a conversation right now about who's the most influential white athlete of all time.

Shady McCoy says he believes it's Caitlin Clark, but then of course there's people on the contrary that's like it can't be her. So Mace, what is your opinion? Who do you think that would be? The most influential white athlete white athlete of all time. It's not the goat, the most influential. That's crazy. I don't see how he could have said that. But I would say Larry Bird.

That would be my choice, Larry Bird. And you're talking about influence, so that's not talented. Let's think, let's think. I'll go with Larry Bird. I go with Larry Bird. Okay. Cam? That's a good question.

The reason why that's a good question is because it don't have to be. basketball, be football. You know what I'm saying? If we're going basketball, I'm definitely going with Larry Byrd. No if-ins or buts about it. But, you know, football's the number one sport in America. So I'm not sure you can go with Tom Brady. You know, that that's a broader question, right? Because what's your definition of influence? Right. You know what I'm saying? What's your definition? So I'm I think that's a broad question to ask. And to me, I would agree with Mace,

just of my opinion with Larry Bird, because it was almost growing up for us, I just almost that the Celtics was white and the Lakers was black. And the man leading the charge for the Lakers was Larry Bird. And he also got three championships out of it. For the Celtics. For the South.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you, Martin, for the Celtics. He got three championships out of it. And then it also showed David Cern marketing, Magic Johnson and Larry Berg, catapulting the NBA to his next generation. And those two are the ones who got the NBA where it need to be. NBA TV in the late 70s wasn't getting no games was delayed. and see them live. And then when these two came to the NBA, they turned it around. And of course, Michael Jordan came and Shaq, and it just turned into a whole different thing. But if I'm going influential, I have to agree with Mace and go with Larry Bird. But it depends on with sport,

because it's so many different sports. It isn't just football, neither. It could be Michael Phelps if you like swimming. You know, it could be a bunch of different things. It's all about what your definition of influences, but I'm going to go with, for me and my generation, I have to agree with Mason say Larry Burke. Yeah, because if you're talking college, you might be talking Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow had a cult following when it came to college football.

And, you know, a lot of times people look at that and say, well, Tom Brady, but I think at one point, Tim Tebow was a... as famous as anybody that was playing any sport. Yeah. Would you say the same? Tim Tebow, yeah. He had definitely a cold following.

So yeah. So let's actually get- I see that but see that's part of it, murder, right? Mm-hmm. That's what I'm saying is such a broad question because you write, Tim Tebow probably one of the biggest college athletes ever. But how long is the inspiration? Not actually you, I'm just rhetorical.

It was a two and a half year inspiration, you know what I'm saying? Like three years inspiration. Tim Tebow was so good in college and so inspired and so on and so forth that they tried to force him to be good in NFL. He had two good games, three good games. They're like, oh, Tim Tebow's going to be the next one. He's going to be the next one. John Elway, co-sign and shit, everything else.

And then Peyton Manning became available. And they said, nah, thank you, Tim Tebow. you're gonna figure this out with Peyton Manna. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm like it's a wild broad question because I'm agreeing with you, Tim Tebow, shit, this shit was ridiculous, his fame. But how long is inspiration? Yeah.

So I don't know. It's a broad question. Yeah. I mean, it is a broad question, but it does make for a general good discussion because that would be the next question. What is your definition of influence? Because it's changed over time. Now we see there is a thing called influencers, which is based

off a follower. So I know we're discussing it in like the athlete space, but even just media and entertainment, I'm curious on like, who do you think has that embodiment of influence? Yeah, and even if you're talking about white girls for a while, Rhonda Razzie was. Rhonda Rousey. She was, she was, she was the one to watch.

Right? So, you know, new hotness, you know, when they say Kael and Clark, because I wouldn't say she was as, As popular as Rhonda Ross. Yeah. That is actually hilarious. That's a really good point. Why you laugh?

Because Rhonda, hey, man. Well, she got beat up. She was great. Yeah. And even seeing her movies was great. She just transitioned right to movies. Yeah. But that's the thing about influence.

Like there's people who have different lanes. So that's why my question to you is when you see it in the entertainment, music, media space, who do you think has just like the most influential presence? Because that's kind of hard. Like you can be the goal, you could be really good at something, but your influence is a whole other thing. Like what do you think defines that? It can either be in a person or just traits that you know like,

this is that person. That's good. And how long is that influence? That's a good, that's a good question, Killer. Because I was, I was what you call it. I found the watch that I had back from the 90s. Like it was a, a diamond watch and I think of how many how many people we may have influenced

that's still following that there's is is influence can last a long time it depends on who it is and what it's for but I would say ronda razi over Kaelin Clark because this is going on with three years no she's basically actually you may it's not comparing anymore she's actually what she had done definition of influence. Yeah. Yeah, my, my definition of influence, like people follow the blueprint. You see more people doing the same thing. Like, every year after Jordan, they were trying to make another Jordan. It was Tracy McGrady. It was Kobe Brian. It was Vince Carter. That's my definition

of influence. You become the prototype for everything that comes after us, right? So that's what I'm saying. So, Cam, before you go, not even just in sports. Like I'm talking, it could even be TV presence, like a TV personality, like a journalist. Hey, yo, look, look, let me just answer the question. I'm an influence. Okay.

He's going to do what I do. It's not even, maybe going too deep with it. Nakes, dress up like me for Halloween. Nakes change the air range around the square. I do a show. They want to do a show. I do this thing. I'm influential.

I'm an influential leader. That's what I was saying. You keep going to Rhonda Rousey and something else, and that's about what she's actioned. She's trying to ask you. What's influential and now I'm got to be sports. I'm influential. To me, I hate the word influencers because somebody says they got a million followers.

Yo, let's hire this influencer. They just might got a fat ass. That don't mean they want to be with, they're not influencers. Somebody may just have big tinias. They may just be funny. Influence where somebody wants to do what you do. You see when niggins. They hire you for ads and sell all state commercials.

They'll go get Chris Paul and they'll go get Aaron Rogers. Be like, maybe this is going to buy insurance because Chris Paula buy a next insurance. Or you see John Moran who sell sneakers. They saw the sneakers, a sneaker sell out, no matter whether he's doing good and NBA or not. I had sneakers. My sneakers sold out in five minutes.

Every time I had three pairs sneakers, shout out to rebuck. Every time I put sneakers out, none of my sneakers lasted more than 10 15 minutes they want the flea box when you do something and people want to be like what you're doing that's influential when I was young I went down the canal street and I bought a chain and I bought a fisherman hat because EPMD had it I don't know if you know these people stat but I want to dress like EPMD you know I'm saying they influenced me you know it's people that when you see something you want to be like what they're doing because you have a lot of

followers to me that doesn't make you influential influential oh yo she's an influencer he's an influencer why because no diggers want to see the crack out of the ass anytime they get a minute they go on Instagram and like the picture that makes her influencer or somebody's funny I get that because you want to laugh so on and so forth and people are attracted to laughing and comedy or so on so forth but does that influence you to make they want to be a comedian to me that's what influence does when you want to make some make started saying before you got back to sports

yeah prototype for something to where you want to be like with that person is doing to me that's what the influencer is and when I hear me like y'all influence your influencers they influence a motherfucker thing the fuck they influence because you got the followers that don't make you an influencer yo it don't who the fuck you influence nobody you ain't make nobody want to do nothing but want to hit That's it. They just want to hit it. But besides that, how'd you influence it? I'm not saying that's for everybody because it is motivational people out there and people that you be like, y'all want to be like this person or this person is motivational. No, man, not everybody that's

labeled the influencer influences you. I think they need to come up with another word for it to be totally honest with you. Yeah. That's a good one. God, mother. No, that was good. I didn't mean to cut you off. No, that was good because If that's the case, then that's why people watch us, because we're two of the most influential people of our time, right? So I was thinking about when killer was saying now, I was like, yeah, like waves, dark waves, that's me, two earrings, that's me, Dom and watches, that's me.

So just thinking about a lot of stuff that niggas do, they still doing that. They still, they still mimicking us today, like Jersey. That's what I was trying to get you to say. fit it when you fit it backwards like all of that that come from us all of it and niggas is still doing it and if you think of all of the people that traveled that prototype that's pretty much 80 to 70 percent of the whole hip-hop hip-hop thing yeah that's what I was at camp can say let me go yeah I was trying to be humble yeah I was trying to be humble when I think about it

You're looking at them. You're looking at them. That's what influence says. Like my nigger, everything, even from the way people put their albums together. Like the niggas they think are greats are copies of us. Yeah. All of them. Yeah.

I know you're saying you're being humble, but that's why I want you to say it because it's like people, like, people, like I said, the definitions and Cam already explained it of influencers is different, but where those influences and those trends, and all those things started from, they started from somewhere. Yeah. I think being able to say that too is a whole other thing that people don't. Yeah, that's crazy to think about that. Like, yeah. I mean, even the top artists, like all of the top artists.

Yeah. Yeah. And the reason I bought that up too, because that's why I used the word influence, because I was influenced by certain people when I was young. You know, and I'm not just talking about something I'm talking about, you know, we don't have Instagram, I said, I'm talking about niggas in the neighborhood, like, I was they got the BVs on.

I remember all I wore was an MPV truck. Like I get like MPV when I get older. Because I see niggas that I respect it. Well, like with an MPV, I thought that was the car to have. But I'm just saying, that's to me influence when somebody wants you to, when somebody inspires you to do what they do. Like little Yachty, right? shout the little yaddy with him.

He went and bought one of my old chains, the spinach shit. Like, oh shit, this killer shit, the globe I used to have. I was an influence. You know what I'm saying? When niggis driving around in pink cars and with pink guts, I influenced that. You know what I'm saying? I'm not brand.

I'm just saying what it is because people influence me. So that's why I was trying to get Mace to get off sports, because I know Statt wasn't a loot in the sports anywhere anymore. And she was just trying to say, period. What's the definition of? an influencer or somebody who influences you. And I just don't like that word for everybody. You know what I'm saying?

I really don't like it because people think, you know, I was talking to my nigger the other day and we just talking about, you know, not necessarily this, we're talking about niggas who be snitching on niggas now. And they say, he said, can't. If you got a million followers, you can't do no wrong no more. Niggas don't even care. Nick could have told him the whole family,

you got a million followers. Niggas don't care. That's your man. And that's kind of the society that we're in now. Yeah, it is crazy as well. But that's the society that we're in because now through your phone, that's what he said. Shout to my niggas, shout to my nigger Deuce from murder unit.

But the point being is that everything is a numbers game now. And before that only like when you're in business, you couldn't get these analytics. unless you were a CEO or somebody who worked in the company, and you can see numbers. Now you see numbers on your phone. Girls panic. Oh, my God, this picture doesn't get this many likes.

Let me take it down. Oh, they must not like this. Because you can see who likes it. You can see who comments on it. You can see how much engagement you got. You can see who we posted it. And now it's a numbers game. And because you get more numbers on a video or a picture or a song

and not saying that people are talents out there because it's a bunch of new talent out there that's tremendous. But that doesn't mean they want to influence somebody. You can be the best rapper in the world, right? You can be the best lyricist in the world. And that doesn't mean people want to be like you. That means that they like your music, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're influencing them.

So yeah, great, great conversation. Okay, would y'all take prime penny hardaway and grant hill over LeBron? We will discuss after the break. Welcome back. So Tim Hardaway Sr. had some hot takes with one quote being, he said, I'm taking Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill in their prime over LeBron. He also said he felt like Penny had the better defense. So he's taking both of them if it's in their prime. Mace, what do you think of this take? Do you agree or do you disagree? Nah, I'm 50-50 and I love Tim Hardaway senior. I respect his basketball IQ. But no, I'm not taking. and Prime Grant Hill over Prime LeBron, but I definitely am going with Prime Penny over mainly everybody. If Penny doesn't get hurt, Penny is a nightmare for the entire league.

The trajectory of the league will be different if Penny getting hurt. That's how important Penny was to our time. He was the first person that gave Jordan a real formidable opponent. even though it was Jordan coming back when he picked Jordan for the for the for the for the for the playoffs and they got that victory everybody had high hopes for Penny they didn't get it done against um Houston but Penny I think at his prime is as good as anybody that are ever playing the league I think that both of those was great takes from some Hardaway senior but I'm not I'm not going to get even one of them over LeBron and I understand what Mace is coming from. We talked about, we just talked about influential. Penny influential, you wanted his sneakers. You wanted to see the commercials that he had with the little Penny doll. And Penny was right there.

And, yeah, Mays something better. Grand Hill, too, both of them getting hurt. Like, both, you know, those are two of the best what-ifs. Two of the best what-ifs ever, right? Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway. And I agree with Mace Penny Hardaway could have been a nightmare for everybody, but he didn't get it done. And whether it's injury or any other reason,

I'll be available. You got to be available, man. You had that chance when Mike came back, y'all beat them, but then you go and play against Houston in the championship. And you don't win a game. You don't want a game against Sam Kuccell and Kenny Smith. It's you and Shaq, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott. You don't win one game?

And Harrah's grand. Can't jack that game. Yeah, and Harwich Grame. I can't jack that. I can't do it. I can't. Then the next year, when Jordan come back full strength, you don't want to make it back. So we sit there and say Penny would have been crazy, which I agree.

But you got to the championship once. When Joyne came back full strength for the next year, you kind of faded out. And their injuries played into it to where he started bouncing around from team to team. I'm about seeing Penny all the way on the Knicks. I was so disgusted. It's like, damn, now it's this? Penny on the next? And you have Shaq.

It was bad. It was bad. Yeah, it was wow, man. I didn't like it a little bit. So then what happens when Shaq leaves and gets with Kobe, you went three back to back. And I remember Kobe talking about this with Shaq because Shaq was like Kobe, pardon me. Shack was like Penny, you know, he's up there with Kobe. might be a little better and Kobe went off like no the fuck he's not he's like please don't

compare me to petty hardaway because he's not me and I get where shack is coming from same where place makes is coming from the potential the ceiling it was no ceiling but you got to show up and you got to be available people tend to forget because you know people in my age group would be like ah joy man joy and I'm one of them people but I don't know anybody who've been at 10 straight finals. Whether you want them or not, going to 10 straight finals, I had this argument with sin the other day,

bro, because he's like, you know, LeBron on the West is not LeBron on the East, and I know AIDS factors into it, and I know LeBron been in the teams where he had two of the all-stars with him, but, you know, that's to his credit.

Ten straight finals is 10 straight finals. That's just that. So I'm not taking either one of them over LeBron, especially with the longevity, but I'm not mad for what Tim all the way he says, I totally understand what he's coming from. Okay. So there's a quote from LA Sparkstar Cameron Brink. She revealed that she hired a private chef, but it ended up costing $7,000 a month, which was more than her $6,500 month, WMBA

salary, which mean that she had to quickly cancel that purchase. So obviously, we know that there's a huge pay difference, not even just WMBA and NBA, which is women's sports versus men's sports in general. So, Mace, my question to you is. do you think that this is more of a league pay problem, or do you see it as a lifestyle choice problem or both? I think when it depends on how many people are coming in these arenas, right? Normally when they're playing, they're playing to a different crowd than the NBA is playing to, so they're not dealing with the same monies, right?

Because the crowd is not the same. And part of the way they market WMBA has a lot to do with the monies they're making, right? When is collectively shown in a certain way. And, you know, I won't get into that, but that's what makes the money a little bit lower. But when it comes to getting a chef, you know, if the chef costs more than you're making, then you definitely got to back out of that. And I think that's a lifestyle choice, right? You could eat healthy for less money.

And I don't even know if it's healthy that she was going after. Maybe it was just something she liked eating. But when it comes to paying $7,000, that's not unusual for a chef, especially if the chef know what they're doing in L.A. Hey, Cam. This is why you got to ask questions. What do you mean you didn't know? What do you mean you didn't know?

I don't get that. you know, I'm just going to hire you. We'll figure it out later on. No. What are you talking about? I didn't know it was $7,000. I thought you thought they may have figured you was Cameron Brink and they were like, yo, I'm going to get it for the low.

And when nine times out of 10 in those situations, they're going to double up on what you, but they usually charge when they think you got it. I don't know. Sometimes, I'm not calling her to anybody else, but I heard about this with somebody else. Last year we talked about who was it? Angel Reese yeah it was like rent where it was yeah with some rent and they didn't know what the rent was

I just don't get it I just don't get it and see this is what happens right How do you not know what your rent is? How do you know and this what they do murder this is this is what they do murder this is what this might be all a plot this is what they do right? Then they'll say, is it a problem in the WNBA? Yo, you knew what you signed up for in the WMBA when you signed that contract. You knew, or if you didn't know, that's your fault for not knowing how much your rent is, your chef is, or anything else. But then, niggins will be like, yo, I'm out here busting my ass. I should be able to afford a $7,000 chef.

Yo, no, bro, you gotta ask questions. Yeah. You know, you can't bring's not Cameron Giles or Cameron Diaz. So you got to get the right Cameron for the seven. But the right Cameron is going to ask the right questions. You know, I was just about to say, you know, me and Mace, we do a lot of business together. And we talk to a lot of people and Mesa sits you on the phone for hours, six minutes, asking questions.

And it has to be done. It has to be done so there's no miscommunication moving forward. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And you always say after the hour, they say, Kim, you got anything to say? You said, no, Mesa asked all the right questions. Yeah, because it needs to be done. Like, because we both have separate businesses outside of the businesses that we do together.

not ask the right quote because you cannot just assume you can't assume then and I know you young and look that's the one thing that I will give some of these ladies and gentlemen that you're young you're coming into new money etc etc but there's too many examples out there of people who didn't manage their money right or then spending their money right to where you want to make sure you do the right thing I've proto a lot of my life is based upon and me financially being good today, thank God, is based on watching niggas who make bad decisions financially. And I'm like, I'm not gonna do that.

Yeah, I can't do it. You know what I'm seeing? So I watch certain people make bad decisions and be like, I'm not gonna fall into that trap. Especially when you're young and you spend a lot of money when you're young, for you to have a second and third acting life, you be like, all right, I got away with that shit.

I probably spent about four million. I was bugging. All right, but I got it back. I need to be more. cautious now. You know what I'm saying? You sit there, you buy, for somebody like me, right?

I'm looking at cribs and shit. I'm like, why, you know, my son is grown. Niggins don't come see me like they use two paws. Like, you know, my niggas, they still come see me and shit, but you know, a few days, why am I looking for a seven bedroom house? I can only sleep in one,

maybe two. You know what I'm saying? So, to me, I'm like, you know, my son's grown, my family's here. Let me dumb down some of the shit that I used to want to look for because it doesn't make sense. So I give them that, that they're young and there's probably some things they want to do in life that they wasn't able to do when they were a teenager or younger. And if they didn't come from better means of life they want to do.

But you have to ask the right questions and look at examples of people that ran through their money and don't have it at the moment. Yeah. Yeah, I can't kill. I can't go with you on that. She's Caucasian. She's Caucasian. She's supposed to know this. That's something a guy from the hood is supposed to do.

Spend 7,000 on food when he know he only makes 6,000 and say he didn't know. That's that's not what you do as a Caucasian. So let me ask you this, murder. Is it cool for Angel Risa said and not her said? Because she's black. It's, honestly, with no bias, it is kind of understandable being that where she's from. I don't know her upbringing, but if you tell me somebody, tell me where Cameron is from, and tell me where Angel Reese is from.

And I don't even know it, but what it gives me, you know what I'm saying? Pause is like, one person could be from, let's say, Brooklyn, and another person is from, Westchester County. If you're from Westchester County, you're supposed to know how to manage that money. Well, if you're from, if you're from, you know, the pink houses, then we expect you to run through the money.

Cameron's from New Jersey. What part? And then we know Angel Reese is from Maryland. She's from Princeton, New Jersey. Child, I don't know nothing about New Jersey. This is why I'm asking you. Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying. So you should know better.

Not that, you know, you know, not taking a shot at her, but I'm saying that you expect kids that come from better households to know these things and kids that don't. Like, you should know this, right? But if it's a young girl, she's just a rap out the hood, she probably don't know that. She's like, we're going to live it up. We're going to get it back next show, you know? But you know better than that because you grew up with a family.

You understand budgets. You understand finances. You understand taxes. You understand all of this, right? Yeah. She should understand that. But that to me, to me, and I'm not saying, I'm just being devil's advocate here.

Sometimes it's the reverse. Sometimes you may come from a good household. And be like, yo, fuck Princeton. I'm on wild out. You know, I was just, you know, so Mesa's, what you're saying is correct though. You should be in a, you know, we're coming from that part of the world, you're assuming.

Yeah. that they were raised correctly and everything else you know i see dave chapelle right one time and he was talking about how he was uh hanging out with niz and then and his brother jungle shot to niz and jungle and he was saying how they was in there talking about they was in queens bridge and the projects and you know with shootouts and niggas selling drugs and dave was in there yeah like yo should be fucked up like that you know and dave said when he left the conversation he's like Why was I, I live and I grew up in the suburbs.

I didn't grow up around shootouts. I didn't grow up around drug activity, but he was in a circle acting like he was a part of that. I'm not disagreeing what makes. I'm just playing devil's advocate, but I totally understand when he's coming from. But look, more serious, ask the right questions. That's all I would say for my final time.

It doesn't matter where you come from. Ask the right questions, man. Because I just, you know, to me, this topic just doesn't make sense that she didn't know that the chef cost $7,000. Yeah, how did she get this $7,000? Did this come after Christmas? Was it a Christmas dinner?

Was it Thanksgiving dinner? Didn't I could see that being misunderstood. Like, hey, I didn't know we were spending that much. But it's Christmas, so maybe she let it rock. And to Mesa's point, he's right. Right, your environment sometimes depends on that. You know, not saying her, not her, just your personality as well. Like for instance, right, if your, if, if, if, um, your stuff is charging you

7, and quote unquote, you didn't know. God bless the dead, right? My man, HUD. I want to talk that down in 3,000 and 42 seconds. Come on now, nigga. I know you's charging seven. Let's figure this out. And you can talk your way out.

Yeah. It depends on who you are and what you're. about so I'll leave it at that for me um I'll just say like I don't think a personal chef is a like the price is crazy given the salary but a personal chef is not crazy for an athlete so I feel like that's a viable like thing to want to invest in now the price in itself yes it's like dang how did you not know that that was the price but I'm also like you guys kind of said earlier I'm assuming maybe she thought it was less, but that also resulted in her not proceeding or canceling or whatever she had said. Yeah. Because she knew that it wasn't going to be a good investment. But

I don't think that wanting to be able to have a personal chef as an athlete is crazy. Like, it's convenient, it's health-wise, all those things. We're not talking about having a chef is the amount of money that you're spending, right? Yeah. I could spend probably about $5,000, but I have two kids and a wife with a chef, right? That's how much is going to run me. Yeah, that's why I'm, but I'm saying the price. So seven is seven is like if you like bringing people over, you're trying to host people. Yeah, that price of course.

You're showing off. But then again, you don't know because LA is a little different like, because I will never forget like getting my hair done in LA versus getting my hair done in Tampa, two big differences. So like, LA is going to do his thing regardless. list. I would just say, and they're clearly working on it, which is why they have the whole collective bargaining agreement thing that they're trying to decide on, I would still say it is kind of crazy when you put it into a perspective to think that she was just trying to hire a personal chef as an athlete. And knowing that it is the same cost of her WMBA salary means there is still an issue there. Like, because there is another, like, Angel Reese has talked about having a personal chef, but even aside from her WMBA salary, we know she's getting indoors. We can get like all those other things. I don't know camera brings specific situation,

but I do think it would be nice for them to be able to sustain things like that as part of being an athlete. I would add that. That's my thoughts though. No, and you're right, but 7,000 is, that's not like, that's not a lot for LA, right? Because even when I'm saying that 5,000,

that 5,000 is every two weeks. So that's really a 10,000 dollar bill every month. My thing is somebody cooking for the whole family. My thing is see, we're jumping off the topic of if that's a good price for LA and we're jumping off the topic of saying, yeah, Mace of $5,000. The topic is you know how much you make and you know how much you should be able to spend. That we're not, we're talking about the price of heroin, Tim, but the price of here in LA, the price of food in L.A. Yo, that's not the topic.

The topic is, you know how much. much you make and you should know what you should be able to afford. You should budget your money. Okay, I make $6,500 a month. Let's just say it's no endorsements because like staff said, I don't know our endorsement situation either. I have to live, rent, I have to pay my phone bill. I have to get food if I don't have a chef.

After travel, all this is in a budget. You just can't jump out the window and say, give me your chef and then later on be like, I didn't ask you how much of course. you have to budget your money. We're not talking about the price of living in Texas versus the price of living in Nebraska. We're talking about being smart financially, financial literacy of budgeting your money. So if you live in LA and you know not only that, let's say for instance,

we're not even factor in taxes. So how much do you really make a month? You cannot just be like, I didn't know. So I'm not like, you know what you can spend in 10. as a versus LA. I can't do this here. You know what I'm saying? I think that's where we're missing what the real topic is.

Not what you spent anything else. It's about financial literacy and budgeting your money. Yeah, I don't know it's a death trap for anybody. I don't care what color you are. Everybody that's say, I don't know ends up bad. I don't care who it is. I've seen the best of them, Spanish, Caucasian, Asian and Asian, right?

I mean, even Jeremy Lynn, he didn't know. You're going to find out. Listen, if you don't know, you're in trouble. Just always remember that. If you don't know, you're in trouble. Because once you pass, I think 15, you're too old to be saying you don't know. Yeah, especially regarding your own funds. So I know Cam brought up the house example.

And I'm just curious, Mace, have you ever made? a financial decision and I'm not talking about specific money, but like maybe bought something that you know didn't make sense, but you still don't regret it. No, you normally regret it. You go regret it. Because even when you look back, like, I mean, I bought a watch, right?

And the watch was about like a hundred, like a hundred, like a hundred, seventy-five or, but I told, today the watches were 300, so I made money off. So I'm happy about that. But there's times when you're, if you're buying something and it doesn't go well, if you're a smart person, you always want that due over. Pause. You got to have that.

And like Killers said, I made these decisions before. I'm not going to do that again, right? You know, so that's why we're so emphatic about saying you don't know. Because that's going to come back to haunt you. I don't care who you are. That will come back to haunt you. We see guys made $100 million that said that $100 wasn't enough. Why?

Because they spent it differently saying they don't care or they don't know. And now we look at them like, man, I just need one more shot. It's hard to show people grace when you've seen them blow through $100 million twice. And then now saying nobody helped them. Like, nobody helped you. How much help you need. And that's what I'll be saying when we're talking about athletes. and they're like, well, this guy is getting this money,

but you don't know what his bills are like. You don't care what his bills are like. If you make a certain amount of money, you gotta be able to budget it and know what you're doing with the money. Money is dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Yeah. Cam.

Not really because, thank God, I'm where I'm at now. If I was fucked up, I would have been like that. Like, why the fuck did I buy that? What was I doing? But then when I, you know, I needed eight cars at one time. It made me feel, but made me sleep better. You know, I'm saying? I needed that for that time period in my life.

It made me feel good. Now, if I wasn't doing good today, thank God again, then I'd probably be like, what the fuck was I doing with eight cars at one time? Why would I do that? Why did I have six cribs in four states? Well, for what? But, you know, God had a good plan for me,

and I'm here where I'm at now. So no, I don't regret it, but I could see me regretting it if things didn't work out moving along in life. But things worked out for me, thank God. And like I said, but now, everything I had that I bought that may seem foolish to Cam now, at this age, at 50 years old at this age, and be like, you know, I talked to my names all the time.

We'd be like, what the fuck was we doing? Yeah, we was bugging. We was wowing. But we made it through so we could have those conversations now. And some of the stuff at this age, I'll say, yo, nah, I shouldn't have did that. But it worked out. So no, I don't regret it.

Now, if I was serious, fucked up, I'd be like, yeah, I shouldn't have did it. But I'm, I'm, that's not. Thank God I'm all right right now. Doing pretty well. Yeah, good to hear. Some of that stuff make you feel good, especially with, like I said, we had this conversation,

but I had this conversation or talk with Flea with Sir, but me and Mace had this conversation on this show a few months ago from not mistaken. You know, when you first get your money, you gotta know where we're coming from, man. Nica said we wasn't going to do it. You gotta show off a little bit. You gotta go get change in whoops like a

slave like my niggie you gotta go do it my nigger it's just all this just because it's just for that environment because you like yo these niggins ain't things what happened remember mace happened to the the great 318 man then he got yo my nigger he had to do that I remember mace don't even probably know I was pissed off in mace man right I was pissed off with this nigger one time right I respected it but I was mad We, we're on tour. You know what I'm on tour. I'm not on tour.

I'm on tour with him. And the tour is over. And we fly back to New York. And when we get to the eight airport, I don't remember what it was. I think it was the CL 500 cool. He had to wait for him at the airport. And gave all of us a five and rode off.

I'm sorry. No, no. Yeah, Kelly, you tell a story wrong. He don't remember it that way. That's a fact. That's a fact. You were a fact. You was with Jim.

It was only a two-seater. Listen, there wasn't, it was dead. It was more than all of us. It was a few. It wasn't just, I was about five of us. Yeah, I was a devil. I was a devilly rode off with you, but I was thinking, this is your man.

So I was like you be with your man. Not more than you, my man. Listen, but at the same time, no, no, no, listen, you gotta realize this 22-year-old son. Listen, more the stories based, I've done it after you. Listen. You gotta explain none of me.

You ain't got to explain none of me. I said this hard. I say less. I did the same thing. I mean me at their point, roll right off. I ain't got to explain none to me, man. I'm just telling you how I felt at the time. I'm like, all right, what we're about to do?

Mace paper tags on, two-seater. Nika said, yo, good tour. And rode off. You want to my tour. I just had the per die of money in my pocket. Yeah. Two sides to every story for sure. I don't remember happening like that at all.

So that's funny. No, that car was at the airport waiting. Brand new, peeled out. Tires burning, rubber, and all that. Look at this, make it just left for shit. I was when it was my turn. Listen, not everybody, but some of y'all might get a turn. Just remember.

Yeah, you might get your turn. And you get to do your turn however you want to do your turn. That's why it's your turn. turn. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Okay.

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