IT IS WHAT IT IS - WOULD YOU RATHER A RING OR THE MVP AND WHY EVERYBODY GETTING IN TROUBLE AT MASSAGE PARLORS?! | S6 EP14

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! Maurice Clarett joins us on this episode to discuss Cam Newton's comments about rather having the MVP over a SB ring, why are all these players getting in trouble in massage parlors, why growing up in the 80's and 90's you couldn't show emotion and our guy Gilbert must be proud of his son Alijah Arenas going to USC! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus cash with your first deposit and a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host Mace and Cam. And today we are joined with our analyst Maurice Claret. Mo, what's going on?

Killer was good. What's going on, baby? It's on mute. Can't hear Killer, your mic is on mute. My bad, how y'all doing, man? Good, man, what's going on? Oh, this is great. Everybody on time.

It's early in the morning. What's going on, Stat? You looking like you in a suite somewhere. Where you at? I actually am. I'm on a little business trip with the NFL, doing stuff for the Pro Bowl. So it's been a really good time.

Got to meet Russell Wilson, guys, you know. Did you change your attitude? You went in there and act right. Yes, I acted right. Did Sierra pull you to the side and talk to you for a little bit? Ciara was there and they were there with their children. It was a very wholesome situation. So I said my hellos and then I went on to finish my other interviews. Was it all their children?

Yeah. Or was it somebody else's child as well? Well, there was some, you know. It was too early for that. He never failed. It was all of them. And they were having a good time. That's all that matters. and they're having a good time. That's all that matters. Oh man. Oh, what's up with the hoodie Moe Youngstown? That's how you feeling? Yeah, Youngstown state baby.

I'm from Youngstown and so good people sent me a hoodie. So, you know, had to rep it for him. So I like the hoodie. It's a good day. It's good to be on for hire right now. That's a fact, but real quick bro, before we even go anywhere else. We talked about the last time he was on at the end of the show the 30 for 30 that she was on the lot.

I'm just assuming everybody saw it. A lot of people said that they didn't see it and they enjoyed it. So before we even start anything, let them know where they can see yet 30 for 30 special or what it's called today? Yeah, 30 for 30 special is called Youngstown Boys and you can find it on Disney Plus. That's who has it. So you can go to Disney Plus and have it.

But thanks for everybody. And I've had more responses and just more people who've had a chance to know me, but they appreciate some of the stuff that you said when you said, hey, y'all don't know where you really come from and what's happened up until then. So I've probably gotten hundreds of messages

and then also read the comments. So thank y'all for watching it, if you haven't viewed it, if you don't have nothing to do this weekend, then check it out. No, that's good. Shout out to you, Killer. You did some good.

Me and Moe is here because we on some good. Me and Mo was here because we are some we are some Columbus shit. Oh, you you back you back you back in. You want some Columbus shit murder.

Twenty seven years ago, he's running around one. Same nine, but a reunion with everybody. We all here on the reunion. Look at that. She have no idea what means that reunited to me from Jacksonville. OK, so let's actually start with Cam Newton. So he said he'd rather have his MVP award

than a Super Bowl ring. He said, I'll ask you this question. What is most important impact or championships? Everybody is not going to be Michael Jordan. Everybody is not going to be Patrick Mahomes. Everybody is not going to be these individuals who have the luxury of saying, Hey, I not only dominated this sport, but I also have championships to back it. So in your opinion, Maurice, what do you think is the better award? And then what do you think of Cam Newton's viewpoint? Yeah, I can't wait to hit it. No, I, you know, you can't really say somebody's right or wrong. It's all a matter of personal preference. Right. And so, and this was just built on what I heard Tio and Mike have their banter, back and forth. And so when I heard Cam Newton said, it made me think about what Tio had said

about Mike. But I had texted something the other day before Tio had came on about the GINA and being out in Kansas City and him basically being a potential multi-superbowl champion and what that could do if he was proficient in business and what it could do for his life long after he gets done playing and him going to chase the money or chase potentially being an MVP of the league going down to Miami and you've seen that doing that with him. And I know I'm long-winded. I know I'm kind of everywhere with this. But me personally, I would choose the championships just because I understand what it could do for you long term. You obviously see what Mike Tyson, Michael Irvin is still doing down in Dallas.

You see how beloved he is by the fan base and people recognize him and look at him as a champion. Being part of a team and just basically being part of a dynasty or sort of in people's memories. People tend to forget year over year who was the actual MVP, but they never or they typically don't forget the championships and how these people have felt during these times when people won on these championship runs. So I won a championship and I make a lot of money to this day from winning the championship had I won a Heisman Trophy or an MVP of a league,

I don't know if that's the same thing. And that's not a shot at Cam Newton. That's just my viewpoint on it. And I'm not saying that Cam Newton is wrong, but I would prefer a championship. So the question is, would you prefer the championship or what against that? Yeah, would you prefer the championship or the MVP award,

which is more individual? And what did Cam Newton say? Yeah, so he said, what is most important, impact or championships? Cause he said, everybody's not gonna be Michael Jordan. Everybody's not gonna be a Patrick Malmes. What did he say he'd rather have? Oh, he said he'd rather have the MVP award.

Okay, that's what I got from Mo'Garrett. Yeah, so I, I got from my girl. Yeah. So I 100 percent agree with more. I'm surprised, but I 100 percent agree with you, Mo. You know, when it comes to this, because in title town, this is the mindset of champions. What we're looking at here is the mindset of. And I take Cam Newton out of it, right? This is the mindset of, and I take Cam Newton out of it, right? This is the mindset of when you can't win, all you could settle for is the MVP, because

you can't win, so that's just where you find yourself being the best that you could be, because your team is not able to win. When we're all out on the field, when everyone is on a basketball court or the tennis court or wherever we are, the boxing ring or any place, you're there to win. The winners are the ones, like Mo said, who's going to be remembered. We remember John Wooten because he won. We don't remember all the time Steve Nash. His name is not brought up, though he got several MVPs. We're going

to remember Jokka because not only did he get the MVP, he won. You know, when you win, it raises your legacy to a new height that it doesn't do for some of the people who were just great. I was just earlier today looking at something with my family and I was like, Rolando Blackman. They like, Dad, that's where you got the number 22 from. But I forgot about Rolando Blackman. We don't talk about Rolando Blackman. They were showing the clips, killer where he was going like this to Michael Jordan and he was getting any bucket he wanted on Michael Jordan.

But we don't remember those games and nobody probably on this stage remember those games of him like Firing up the young Mike Michael Jordan because he didn't win He was on a good team, but he didn't win and if you want to be remembered Listen to me. you gotta win. No matter. We don't remember the killer just because he had the pink coat on. The coat was crazy because it was a time when he was winning. Right? You don't remember the shiny suit just because we put on shiny suit. They were actually winning without the wins that you're just a clown with a shiny suit on. You remember that because they won.

And I think I totally disagree with Cam Newton on that play. But that's the difference between winner's mindset and not Cam take him out of it, but a selfish mentality. When you're selfish, you gotta do the best you could do for yourself. Cause you can selfish, you gotta do the best you can do for yourself, because you can't do it for the team. I actually see both sides of the coin in my personal opinion.

It was a great conversation actually that we had the other day with Terrell Owens and Michael Irvin. Yeah. Michael Irvin has three rings, and he's a champion. But you know who Terrell Owens is. He's top three in every statistical category in football. You sit there and say, we brought up Michael,

we only got Michael Jordan. We sit there and we watch NBA live, whatever it is on TNT, which that Kenny and Barclay. Kenny's a champion, Barclay's not. You remember Barclay, he's an MVP. So at the end of the day, I agree with both of y'all, but I see the other side of the equation too, because it depends on if you're a star

on a winning team as well. Yeah, we're not watching. We're not looking for Craig Hodges. You know what I'm saying? We haven't heard from Ron Harper. He's a champion. So it depends on exactly which position was on the winning team, because you could be forgot about as well being on a winning team.

And then you could be like, you know, we won a championship. And you'd be like, oh, I didn't even know being on a winning team. And then you could be like, yo, we won a championship. And you'd be like, oh, word? I didn't even know you was on that team. It depends on the player, my personal opinion, on the players, because no one person could do it, on the championship team to be remembered. Because you're not gonna remember most of the time, eight through 12 or 9 through 12

But they were on the team, but you remember Carl Malone. You remember Reggie Miller You remember John Stockman none of these people are champions. So I get both sides of the equation I think Kim Newton personally and I can't speak for him Just my personal thought is that he didn't win and he did win the league MVP. So that's what he's gonna say. He speak for them. Yeah, exactly. That's my opinion.

But I do agree winning counts and it matters. It's even like we're talking about with Mo and his career in college. He wasn't no regular nigga. I don't know the other niggas that was on Mo team when they won. I know Mo, Mo was the star. The quarterback was the star outside of that.

I can't tell you the left tackle name. I can't tell you the quarterback name. No disrespect to your ex teammates. No disrespect, but I can't tell you their name. But they could be like, yo, you see that 30 for 30 special with Mo, the young town boy? Yeah, I was on that team. And n***a kids is like, word. You ever seen Jalen Brunson and these, this isn't a champion I'm talking about. Jalen Brunson talking about his father, his father played for the Knicks. He said, you see when your father played for the Knicks? He'd be like, I see when he was sitting on the bench.

father played for the Knicks. He's like, I see when he was sitting on the bench. This is pops. So that's why I said I see both sides of the equation. Yeah. So so, Mo, you live in a college town, right? So yes. In that city, do they treat the people who won championships differently than the star players that returned to the city? I want to make this next statement. Oh Yes, correct. They do you do have and I'm like not like this if you are associated with a championship People have such a reverence for that. They they edify you they do business with you. They're proud to be around you.

They're proud to be affiliated with you. And these guys might not be well known or their names may not be known, but when people feel that they can, for lack of better words, have a portion of your life with them, and you could tell stories about being in a locker room and preparing for the game and all that,

like you get those benefits. But star players also too, they have their reverence as well. Yeah, I was saying that because Cam made a great point. And I know when I was in different places in life, like Jacksonville and as well as Atlanta, not more so Atlanta though, but different places where I would see places where people won, I know a few people down in Kentucky, and it's the same thing.

If you were good on those teams, the alumni and people like that, they treat you differently when you won. You might come back to the city and get a car dealership, you know, and like Killer was talking, Craig Hodges and them kind of people, because they have their name associated with winning, people want to go into business with them. They think they know something better.

You even take, Killer said something else that was really good about Charles Barkley. And when it comes down to who was the first one up there at TNT? It was Kenny Smith. Yeah somebody who actually won, you know what I'm saying? So and then they brought in Barkley for the flair, but they always cut him out when it's time to win They'd be like, oh, he never won They play him down as Lord man man, because he never won, but we all know that Barclay was a terror up there, but that speaks to that different mindset

when it comes to that. And when it comes to business, a lot of people would rather be with the people who actually won, you know? But this was a really good take, and I took a lot away from this. Let me ask you a question Moe. And like I said, everybody, I know we keep mentioning, but Moe's 30 for 30 special up.

Let me ask you a question Moe, because you won in Ohio, did you think you was above the law? 100%. That's what I'm talking about. You know. Yeah. Sometimes. Don't always go that way, Marta. This is what I'm trying to tell you.

Like, get what you say. That was a good one. That's a good comeback. Good comeback, yeah. Like, get what you're saying, but sometimes that's the mentality. You like, niggas ain't locking me up. I just run the city of championship. What you mean niggas gonna lock me up?

Plus the Coach Burrush, when the Giants is Super Bowl, shoot his self in the leg. And he's like, niggas gonna throw me in jail? I just run the Giants a Super Bowl. Niggas said, take two years and think about it. This fresh off a Super Bowl, six months after Super Bowl. So I get where you coming from, but it ain't always like that.

Niggas like, I want niggas to state the championship. I mean, the national championship. I want the city of Super Bowl. I'ma do what I wanna do. And niggas be like, you're not above the law. Because when Mo started wiling with people, don't know it's after he won the law. Because when Mo started wilding with people don't know it's after he won the championship.

Started with me above the law. I remember. Right. Was Plexico on that championship team? And with the Giants, that's what I'm trying to tell you. He got locked up six months after the championship. He shot himself. Going up the stairs in the championship. He shot himself.

Going up the stairs in the club. Yeah, he better know Slack. It's New York, though. Yeah, Juliani ain't having that. But secondly, you got a gun with sweatpants. What we doing? You know what I'm saying? So, murder, that was a great point. But sometimes niggas be like, they got to know what I'm into. I'm driving, I'm not pulling over. Niggas know I had two touchdowns. So yeah, I just wanted to bring that, but you said it was great. Yeah, that's true. That tells you why niggas be in this situation.

true, you know, that tells you why niggas be in this situation. Listen, man, I remember going platinum and I always knew the Lord, no matter what, whatever karma I was doing, I knew the worst case scenario I could get. But I was running around with the pistol everywhere to one of my ankle joints, ankle strap nigga, because I'm like, I'm hot out here, man. Niggas ain't doing all that. I'm hot, nigga. Niggas took me right to the bookings,

to the tombs, to the island. All that sound good, Kelly. You got caught on Tuesday, nigga. So, I get it. You ain't get caught with baby all year. It could have been. Your niggas might want to take the gun charges over the baby oil right now. Just to add to K Cam's point real quick,

just in general, I feel like when you're winning, you tend to get special treatment. So it's like, I understand why people act the way they do because people kind of go out of their way to do things for you, go out of their way to like make sure everything's at ease. So I don't know, I get it. And I would act the same way. We just talked about this like two, three days ago

when we was like, yo, we talking about Kansas City and they get special treatment. When the refs do things this way, a tailor's or whatever the case may be. There was me, there was mace Michael Ergern and myself off cutting the course stat, but we would say, look, if I go to a restaurant and somebody offered me a free meal, cause I'm camera,

I'm not gonna say no. If you get the special treatment, take the special treatment. Sometimes you don't know the limits on the special treatment. Pause. Yeah. Great point. Okay. So a little bit of problem for the Ravens right now

because Ravens kicker, Justin Tucker put out a statement denying accusations of him using sexual misconduct towards massage therapists. So basically a Baltimore publication called the Baltimore Banner spoke to six massage therapists at different spas and the accusations occlude claims that Tucker exposed his genitals among other detailed things. Tucker's attorney denied the claims and they said, Mr. Tucker has never behaved inappropriately during any massage therapy session

and certainly never in the manner described. Any suggestion to the contrary is a fictious and utterly baseless claim. So Maurice, what's your opinion on obviously these serious claims and then just the whole like massage therapist accusation thing that's kind of when like this we know this is not the first time. So what's your opinion on this?

It's not the first time we're hearing of a massage therapist, not in his case. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I don't know what to make of any of this stuff, right? You start to think it's crazy when you see the tactics that they used on Deshaun Watson. You know, I'm jumping to Deshaun Watson because he's obviously the most popular guy, but you know, you don't know if this is true. The most popular hand job guy is crazy. Not with no pause, but it's just like, yeah, we know him.

He's the most popular nigga in NFL known for getting hand jobs as well. My bad, Mo. But you're right. Yeah, so I am in the thermal under the bus and I feel bad if he took offense to it a few years. My apologies, my brother. But when you see the tactic of the dude,

Tony Busby sort of pressing, and it's hard for me not to believe that other lawyers who could have heard something or heard rumblings of this and being want to go do some like makeshift investigation. And I don't know if the guy did it or not, but it's hard for me to believe that that doesn't play into this, right? And the reason I say that, if somebody asks me like, why do you say things like that? Because it was an article I read. When you say somebody comes back and they frequent the place after they've sexually harassed you and you've not done nothing. To me in my world, just how my brain processes things. I think that if it was that serious

and you was that offended prior to all this crazy news coming out that you would have had say something. So not just how I process it, not how the show process it or anybody else processes it, but when somebody says that they go back and forth with somebody multiple times and you continue to rather massage or do something with the person, I just don't give a whole lot of credibility to it. That's just me. And that's not to minimize or say he didn't do something or anybody didn't do something,

but it's just hard for me not to look at those factors in this equation. When it comes to a situation like this, being that he's been banned, he's been banned several other places, it's kind of making a name, not just for him, not just for the Ravens, but for the NFL. This is now becoming a thing where people are being targeted as well as people are acting

crazy. So I think you got two things going on here. You got people that are now going to be targeted because anything you say about a celebrity right now is going crazy. And it's amazing that it's all happening on sexual charges. It's not anything else. It's not like robbery, it's not robbery. It's just everything dealing with people not able to control themselves when it come to

sexual things. So that's something all celebrities got to watch out for right now because it just seemed like that's the play that everybody's running, whether it's hip hop, whether it's sports, and it could be true. It could be true. But I'm just saying from the aspect of athletes and entertainers that this is not true of, you really gotta watch yourself. And that's more so what I would focus on.

But when it comes to this situation, if he's doing that kind of stuff, maybe this is why he's missing them kicks. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get his kick somewhere else, you know? And I don't just be trying to be... Yeah, I just... I'm really just trying to keep people happy and pause in a very negative world.

That's it. That was a good take from both of you. I'm going to approach this from a different angle and some knowledge to some people just so they have it, whether it's the average human being or whether it's Justin Tucker or Deshaun Watson or whoever. If you go to massage parlor, the average massage, I would say, is anywhere from $65.70 and it can range up to $300, $350, depending on if you get deep tissue or exfoliation, whatever it is. If you want that, go to the massage parlor with the

dark windows. When you go in there, they say it's $30 to $40 an hour, which is underpriced because they expect you to give them a tip when they finish jerking you off. Pause. I'm telling you, I noticed. If you go in there and the price is $75, $90, they don't do that there. They're professionals. $30, $40 an hour, they know where you're at. That's first and foremost. That's for people who wanna know. If they got a big sign, massage, envy, this, that, no, that's not for that.

So the sign gotta be, they gotta be a very dark window with spawn, right? Dark windows with curtains. You know what I'm saying? got to know where you go. And the price second at all, if somebody wants to give you an hour massage for $30, they expecting more for something else. That's first and foremost.

As Deshaun Watson or Justin Tucker, somebody at their statue, I don't know. Sometimes you get a thrill out of saying, I wanna see if I can make this happen. But when you're in that stature and you want that, make a deal with somebody who comes to you. You can't keep running around massage parlor

to massage parlor. People will cut a deal to do that. I was watching a talk show three, four days ago. It's a lady who was arguing up there with her boyfriend because she's a professional cuddler. She cuddles with people a few times a week because guys don't even necessarily want sex and it's not just guys and girls, girls as well.

A professional cuddler? You can work out a deal for a hand job if you have the right communication. a hand job if you have the right communication. Basically, he's saying if that's what he wants, go do it the right way with somebody who wants to do that. Right. You're going up to these random establishments thinking that you could just do what you want and don't work like that.

Thank you, Stan. You feel me? Yeah, niggas need self-control, man. For real. This is crazy. Thank you, Starr, you feel me? Yeah, niggas need self-control, man, for real. This is crazy. Because just think about it. Let's look at it from another situation, right?

Let's say one of these football niggas went in there, say you got an aunt, Killa, work at the spa, and she comes home crying, and she's like like, killer, you know, such and such from the Rams, pulled his ram out of him. And he grabbed my arm and told me to ram him off. What are you saying now? Did you just say that? Who me? Yeah, are you still listening to that?

I'm gonna be upset because it's my aunt, but these are the risks you take when you're in that line of business. It's like if you're working on a railroad track or a train station on the tracks, it's a chance you get electrocuted. You don't wanna get electrocuted. That's the thing, you gotta know what business you in

and what could possibly happen when you're in the business. Am I gonna be mad? Cause it's my heart. I'm gonna be mad if any lady gets in that position and don't wanna be in that position, but some I will not support in that. But what I'm saying is, shit like this happen because you ass naked pause,

you bought a ball of turkey on the table. You know, some guys are like, oh, she massaging up near my groin, maybe I just might. Cause they'll get in a thot on you, you know, and then you might be feeling like, oh, maybe she would. No, she's not with it. She's a professional. Check the prices, man.

That's what I would say. So you're not back with her to the spa? As he told her? Yeah. That nigga if she was mad, he off to the next one. You think she have an attitude crying in front of the nigga. He coming back now. Like a pile of report at that point. Down on my hands.

I would have we seen him on the street. Yeah, we do it to get another way. But going back to the spa and waiting for him to come back, that's far fewer than none. Chances that'll probably happen if she was upset when he left. Either way, I hope they figure it out, because the situation seems as if, like, you keep going to different establishments. Two of them decided to ban you.

Another one ended your session early. Like, now you've created this rep that you don't know how to ban you. Another one ended your session early. Like now you've created this rep that you don't know how to control yourself when getting a massage, which is great. Let me ask you, let me ask Mason more questions. And I know it's hard for you guys to really answer this question. Just answer it to the best of your ability

because you guys are both married. But back in the days when you might be in your office, right? Or you might be in school at the lunch table or whatever. Cause females begin to wait. And I'm not, this has nothing to do with the topic. I'm just saying in general, females get away with a lot. I've seen Patrice O'Neil, God bless the dead talk about this.

You ever been at the cafeteria table in school or maybe in your office and they and the girl come over to like you look tense. You're right? You didn't ask for this. Yo, you look like you had a long day for us. Oh, your back is tense. You like, yeah, hi. Okay. So what are you thinking about that now? You trying to go push the envelope?

Are you wrong? That's interesting. Cause if she's massaging you, then I mean, is that she's technically sexually harassing you. And that's why I said this has nothing to do with Justin Tucker, but females always get away with some little shit. You know, leave her, throw your head in the deal.

Yeah, cause if a dude do it, it's like, I felt totally, I felt violated. I felt assaulted. My personal space was invaded. Yeah, all that. Yeah, so that's what I'm like. But when it's done the other way, somebody might say, well,

I was just trying to help them out. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it will be fresh dog. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because I've been plenty of times, I'm talking about since high school, in my office to random massages. Yo, you all right? to in my office to random massages.

Just, yo, you all right? Yo, rub you on the, yo, don't be rubbing me like that. And don't think. Yeah. They definitely can't do that. They definitely can't do that in the office. That's not. It's been happening to me in my office.

My office was a little different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How about you, Mo? to me in my office. My office was a little different. How about you, Moe? No comment. I don't know. Moe office, HBO, Moe. HBO, the office. Moe said, Moe said, leave me the fucking alone. She upstairs. You think I be in the street.

I dig that. Smart answer, Mosa. Well, just real quick on that. I think that both men and women have learned to be more vocal because I feel like with men, like for a lot of women, we're told like, okay, like that's not okay.

That type of, you know, reaction to it with men is like, is this supposed to be happening? Is this cool? Like a lot of people weren't told like, hey, you know, you're allowed to have boundaries too. So if that's not something that you want, you can definitely speak against that, even though some people may like it

and same vice versa for women. So I think that's kind of like a thing now where people are able to kind of speak up about those things that things happen. Because sometimes you just like sometimes people don't know, especially when the situation comes and they're not expecting it. So that's just the one thing I do want to add. Because there's been a lot of things happening like that with like streamers and like younger like male personalities and stuff who kind of spoke out about things like that. So I just want to add that real quick

for people who are watching us. I don't know if seen something like that, but yeah. Okay. So we are going to go to break. When we return, we will talk about the direction of youth and collegiate athletics. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. So tonight the Bucks will play the Spurs. Underdog has Wemby at 24 and a half points.

You have a higher lower mace. Hi, come on, it's Wimby. It's the alien. Yeah, I'm more higher as well. Okay, Yannis is at 12 and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower Cam? Higher. Higher.

Okay, and Damian Lillard at seven and a half assists. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace. Lower. We're on lower too. Yeah, what's up with Damien this year, man? I thought this was the comeback year, pause. Milwaukee creeping though. I mean, he's not playing his best,

but to be honest with you, Milwaukee's kind of creeping. I think they're in fourth. I got to check the standards, but they was like in 11th and then they quietly creep back up to the standards. One player that I will say made a super duper comeback. And I think that he took the reign right now, as of now, as the best point guard in the East is Donovan Mitchell.

Donovan Mitchell's playing sensational. Not to mention that Cleveland got three All-Stars this year. Was the first time they did it, and I can't remember how many years, but probably since Kyrie LeBron and Kevin Love. But three All-Stars is sensational for Cleveland. Yeah, I haven't... Man, when it comes to this Milwaukee team,

man, it's the first Milwaukee team I haven't been back to Milwaukee to see play. So I'm not liking this. But Stad, wasn't you saying something about a streaming? Tell us more about that. Yeah, so basically kind of in like a reverse role situation, like so like Michael Rainey Jr. and he spoke about it after the fact he was on stream with the popular streamer and that streamers sister groped him live on the stream so he couldn't really do anything, couldn't really react and he didn't know what his reaction should be.

So like after that, he just basically said that, you know he was uncomfortable and didn't really know how to handle the situation. So it's like, that's why I was saying when I feel like men aren't really told how they should feel or how to react in situations like that, if it's reverse and the woman's doing something, if that makes sense makes sense. killer you ever been groped. I've been raped.

Yeah. I tried to fight it off. I was in the. I have, I tried to fight it off. I was in a, what happened? I'm just listening to this, I'm not listening. All right, when you ask me man, go ahead, go ahead, then I won't tell the story, go ahead. I'm just trying to tell you, I've been more than broke. I've been sexually harassed, right?

Let me ask you this though. Every time I try to make a serious point, you mess with me. you this though. Let me try to make a serious point. I'm serious. What is the, like when you see Jodeci dance, you know that? When a girl come, from what I'm assuming Gropie is, and Stac can correct me if she has more information on the topic, is when somebody come and grab your genitals and like grab up on you.

Oh, Gropie. Gropie. Okay. Like, yeah. Oh, grope. Grope. Okay. That's crazy. So then you're doing a stream, you have a visitor there and your sister come grope. Visitors, wow. Wait, I have a question.

Cause y'all are so, first of all, Kim, I'm sorry that happened to you because that's very sad and I hope you're okay. Hey listen man, this happened in the 90s. I'm resilient. No, this is where I step in. This is the generation, this is the big generation. Yeah. Y'all, y'all act like y'all are in the stone ages and just because y'all lifted up in the

90s, they're not. These y'all aren't allowed to have feelings. That's the core. You guys are allowed to have feelings and you guys are allowed to be you things. Do you see how there's no feelings? Yeah, but to me that's a numbness. You know things That's a numbness that's like we should be healing I've seen the show earlier this week mental health didn't exist in the 90s. Yes

We're not allowed to feel pause is like your feelings, what they used to say, love will get you killed. Remember that? That was one of the first things you were taught in the hood. Love will get you killed, my nigga. And let me tell you something. And this is what I'm about to say, has nothing to do with what we feel on the show, especially me, I know Mason Murdaugh

don't have nothing to feel. This we feel on show, especially me, I know Mason Murda don't have nothing to feel. This is all on Sin. Sin said, one of my new shows that I like watching, I can't think of the girl's name, but she has Tourette. She's very popular on Instagram and TikTok and she has a new show. And I had to flip on Sin because he's like, cause sometimes I can't watch it cause it's funny,

but it's not funny because you know, somebody with a high level of tics with Tourette's and since that that's a white people disease. And I said, what kind of ignorant fit is that to say that that's a white people disease? That's why I seen Kenya Martin with it. He said, Kenya Martin isn't like this girl, her shit is outrageous.

I can't think of the show, it's on TLC. And he say, yo, get out and try out Tourette. Sorry. Yeah, you bailing out loud, bailing out loud. I love that show, shout out to bailing man, your inspiration to a lot of people with Tourette's and people are going through what you're going through. I think sensational show, how they directed it, edited it.

They did a great job. I've been watching three episodes, It's really, really great. But Sun said that when we grew up, imagine growing up and you try to have Tarex in your house, you have Mubba want and let you have it. Like you would have had to control it. I'm just telling that Sun, you sound ignorant.

And then you sit there and think about it, and say, look, my grandfather would have just probably put me somewhere else, cause he wanted to dealt with it. And that's part of the stuff that I'm talking about, I said, look, my grandfather would have just probably put me somewhere else because he wanted to dealt with it. And that's part of the stuff that I'm talking about, Stat, that you're right, that we wasn't really allowed that feeling, not saying that we should have. But imagine that the generation before us was even worse. They was even worse with the no feelings.

They wouldn't even talk nice to their wife. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's getting better as time goes along. Rob Markman Yeah, they said, they said, do you keep crying, I'm gonna give you something. I'm gonna cry about it. Yeah, yeah. You got beat for crying.

Yeah, yeah. Then you got a hold of your cry, you're like. Imagine trying to hold in a cry after getting beat with a extension cord. Oh yeah, you're going to jail today. They caught you. Yeah, yeah. Which I hear y'all, and I wasn't alive in that time,

so I know I can't understand, but I do still feel like men should be able to express their emotions. And if they don't feel right about something like that's okay to just trust your instincts and stuff like that. Because even when he said it, y'all laughed. I just feel like, what's going on? Yeah, you're right.

I sympathize with Kim. He is resilient. He's resilient. You know, let me tell you something, Stan. This is another thing. and if y'all guys can say what you want, this is my last thought statement on this topic. Just answering what you said, Stan, is that, and I don't know if this is growing up in New York, it could be anywhere, it ain't just New York. You sit there and give your emotions and cry and touch, pour your heart out to your significant other.

As growing up I'm talking about, even now today, all the bitches be talking to me crazy. You express your feelings and you make crying, and they say I'm going through this, and they understand what you're going through. Until you get into an argument, like your bitch ass was crying two weeks ago, snot all running down your nose, fuck is you.

Now you want to act like you tough. Get the fuck out of here. They'll do that. So sometimes you gotta know you're talking to it, sometimes you can't express your feelings to just anybody because they'll come back and throw it in your face later. But also those are also people who aren't, those are also people who aren't healed

because somebody shouldn't use your trauma and throw it back in your face That's that. Yes that but sometimes you gotta be resilient to yourself No, you just need to be around good people we're gonna throw your trauma in your face And it's called healing guys 2025 We're gonna be healed. Your mom, what you gonna say? Yeah, that might need to be my show.

That might need to be my show. Killers been telling me I need to do a show. I might bring all men just to cry and tell me what they're dealing with. You think they'll do it? Pause. Pause, yeah. I'm trying to- Name of the show is pause. Yo, come on my show and let's cry together.

Y'all are laughing. That might be a good thing for some people. It might save some more life. They go out there and kill somebody. You just really need to cry and tell you why it's Brian. But you forget in context though. I watched a show earlier this week and they said kids just grow up different. So when I hear you talking, I'm laughing because like you sound like my daughter, right?

So my daughter always say, daddy, you need to be a little bit more softer and in tune with your feelings, right? They were talking about growing up in survival mode. That's the context for it. So when you survive and you can't feel, you know, maybe just doing right. That's what it is. And so when your kids grow up better, they have the ability to deal with their range of emotions and all the things that come with life. And you can deal with those things properly. And then now you talk about the stuff like being in mental health and how you cope with it, how you deal with anxiety.

You can actually associate a feeling or a word with the emotion. So you're right, just speaking from a different context. Like when he walked through the timeline of what people went through, it was just America used to be super hard, you could just go through your own personal history. And that's kind of like, that's how I framed the discussion. Yeah.

It's just different for everybody because you even said now people are learning how to cope with anxiety. But then Michael Irvin the other day was saying, anxiety is only a rich people thing. Like you don't have that if you don't got something going on to feel anxious about. So I don't know. I'm here. That's what I was about to say. That's what I was about to say. When what he's speaking

of is like for all of us that were in poverty, we didn't have time to deal with those emotions. You really had to, however you had to make it. But back then people did have those emotions. But they were from a different society because they had all of those groundwork and the family and the money and all of those things and security. So with that security it breeds secure children without being secure, it breed children with insecurities. And then, Kim, were you going to say something before I move on? Yeah, I mean, Mo Mo really had a great take. I'd like the way he ended that because he kind of summed it up. But I was going to use that.

What kind of what kind of neighbor did you grow up in? Suburban. Gator community. Yes. A house? Yes. Two parents? Yes. Yeah, you got emotions. You're allowed to have them. I think everybody should tap into their emotions and find them. You were allowed to have have. Yes, I didn't have to like live off of survival. But you didn't have to roll the dice on Christmas of where you know. No, you're here for Thanksgiving.

I didn't I didn't say I had to live off of survival or anything like that. Like, but there were other senses that some people might not understand that I felt like I had to go through that altered the way that I think and view people today. So it's all situational based on definitely how you grew up. And I'm not denying that, but I'm just saying different people have different traumas, depending on those outside factors that affected them growing up.

And I think it's OK to heal them. That's all. That's all. So that's that's the last question. Are you a Sharon? Am I what a Sharon? What is that? A black, black hair. I don't think so.

OK, I don't believe so. OK, so I do. I do want to say something though. And this is about just this whole show in general. Do you know how progressive this is to just have people like this who probably went through all

the shit they've been through to be laughing on a platform like this? Yeah. Five years ago, you were going to catch me laugh with no niggas at all. You know what I'm saying? I'm just being honest. I'm just being honest with you. I'm just being honest with you.

It happens to me. So part of just, we have a therapy session, part of me being honest, it's like, I can laugh with real niggas. You know what I'm saying? And so that, like, and that's part of it. It just even knowing where everybody comes from. And like what I said a few episodes ago

where people will be happy to see other people grow up, it's cool because people you respect, you're like, okay, we're allowed to do that now. And so we looked at entertainers as like the cultural leaders, you know what I'm saying? And so you like in a reverse way, where like they know what I'm saying, but it takes a lot for people who grew up a certain way

to even get to a place to laugh together. Right. And and then on the other hand, like, damn, I just kind of said, but it's just the pun intended. It is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just like these discussions in general because I know I have a different perspective and I like to highlight that and kind of pick you guys' brains on different things that you guys think and I think the audience enjoys it too. But I just wanted to know your thoughts.

Happy we brought it up. Moving along, speaking of kids kind of growing up in different situations. So basically, Elijah Arenas committed to USC, which obviously is a big accomplishment. So congrats to him and congrats to Gil. I know he's very proud. But in you guys opinion, what do you guys think about the direction that basketball is going? Do you guys think it's going to turn into a sport for kids who are better off? Because I know before. it was a little bit harder

to get into that space. So Maurice, what are you thinking? I think it's for basketball, I think it's for football. And I just look at it from a timeline standpoint, when you have more parents who are either professionals or who either went to major colleges and then they've had kids, the kids have grown up, they've had the structured training, they've had the environments, they've had their parents,

friends go on to be college coaches and scouts and recruits. And you're able to get your kids to play against your professional friends and you get high quality reps and you get them into these environments that if you're from the hood or if you don't have the means to do so, you wouldn't be able to get the likelihood of those kids succeeding amongst everybody else becomes this thing. And football is seven on seven and basketball is AAU and any structured or sort of like private runs that they do at UCLA and things of that nature. And so I'm not saying that all kids will be like that, but if you look at the

development going over in Europe and then you look at some of the kids who are basically coming up in the States and you just start to look at their parents who've played before, if you don't have resources or if you're not connected to somebody with resources who can put you in these same environments, it just may be tougher for you to get viewed because just some of the groundwork that your parents probably laid has definitely made an impact on who gets chosen, who gets opportunity. And let me say this too, Gilbert Arita's son is super, super nice. So this doesn't say that he's getting the favor done from anybody. I've seen him highlight some of them.

He's super nice, but I think that this contributes across all sports. Yeah. For me, I would take a whole different approach with this question. I think USC is on a clock to show what they would do with different people's children. And I think that, I mean, when it comes to celebrities that we know, I think, I think, what can I say about this? Like Mo said, this kid is, he's one of those ones. He definitely look like one of those ones. I'm not saying that just because Gilbert is our guy pause, but he's definitely one of

those ones. He should be something special. And I'm not sure about USC, but that wasn't my choice. Because USC and UCLA has done horrible with celebrity kids. You know what I'm saying? Like the time they give them, playing with people's children, using them for highlights and things like that. And I don't think that's cool because especially when you work hard as a parent and you work,

you put so much into your child to get them to that place and for somebody to recruit them there to only give them certain playing time and certain roles, and you already know the goal of this family, you know the goal of this child, I think that's a terrible thing to do. It is super selfish. And I just really pray that that's not the case right here with Gilbert Arena, son, because he got promise written all over him, like to be one of the really great guards. And I'm looking forward to him doing exceptionally well. Yeah, what I'll say is this, the reason why I like this situation, not necessarily in school, just Gilbert Arenas in general,

the way he's handling his son, is I follow Gilbert Arenas on social media. And the last month and a half, month, month, month or maybe month and a half, he's been promoting his son a lot. But before that, he hasn't. The most times I've seen Gilbert Arenas at the game is when somebody else's platform

is catching him in the stands. He didn't shove no pun intended and super duper pause. His son downs people throat. His son been good for a couple years now. He's a scene, he's been good probably since eighth, ninth grade. Gilbert Arenas is not showing his son every two minutes. Yo, look at my son.

Yo, my son is gonna be this, my son is gonna be that. He's letting the other people see how good his son is, and that way you can judge, because he's not being forced as an NBA dad. Now the post that he's putting has just seemed like more of a proud father than a person that's an NBA dad. They've been like, yo, my son's in the NBA. I mean, I was in the NBA, my son should be in

the NBA. You know what I'm saying? He does not promote his son to force you to like him. You're going to like him on your own. And that's why I really, really like the way Gilder Arenas handled this situation with his son. Because you know, now that he's coming to USC, he had him on his podcast, he's showing people he's going to USC, et cetera. But he could have been doing this for four or five years. That's how long the kid been good. So I just want to salute him for the way he handled it and let the fans and not just NBA colleges,

NBA and scouts and aficionados of basketball enjoy his play instead of saying that's Gilbert Arena's son. Yeah, and I think- Even though he's still gonna be considered Gilbert Arena's son, he didn't force his son on a sport, sorry. Yeah, that was a really great take, Killa. And I was thinking at first, I was like,

why wouldn't he send his son, why wouldn't his son go to Arizona? And I just looked into it and it says, Bryce James is going to Arizona. So it's probably played into the reason why he didn't let his son go to Arizona. So you got to watch for your accrued. Well, great points and great discussion. But that is all the time that we have for today. Maurice, thanks for being here.

You know, it's always pleasure. You're resilient. You're resilient. Thanks for watching!