It’s Wednesday My Dudes - Ep. 6: Matt James, Vinegar Strokes or Pooping Himself?

Episode Date: February 24, 2021

The boyos are on the penalty kill this week missing Cody from the lineup. We get our first fan mail message, we talk through Week 8, hometowns, of the bachelor, Ruxx educates the audience on what vinegar strokes are, Cory sheds some tears about Carson Wentz being traded, and we finally dive into Wandavision.  Timestamps:  0:00:00 - 0:03:00 - Intro and Fan Mail  0:03:00 - 1:08:00 - Bachelor Week 8  * 0:18:30 - 0:19:30 - Ruxx's Definition of Vinegar Strokes  1:08:00 - 1:26:48 - Wentz Trade Talk  1:26:48 - 1:54:47 - WandaVision Follow us on Twitter @IWMD_Pod

it is wednesday my dudes and welcome back boyos and girls for episode six we're on the penalty kill today because we are missing c hubbly as serena p would appreciate on the penalty kill go canada we got rook b mayberry and we got myself c myers aka c word today we're going to talk about the bachelor obviously we got a little bit of an eagle's trade it's a small one don't worry about it and then lastly we're going to wrap it up because there's not much more football going on with some wandavision a little nerdy Marvel stuff to get us into the post-football trend. And to start us off, Brian, you got an announcement to make. I do. Some podcast news, boys.

Got our first fan mail coming from the third world country of New Jersey. We have a clip for you guys. Hey guys, this is Denise, long time listener first time caller uh just want to call in tell you i'm loving the podcast um you guys really hit the ground running just listen to the valentine's day episode it was great i'm loving all the guests you have my number if you ever you know need someone to fill the seat i'd be more than happy to I don't watch The Bachelor I don't really know much about sports but you know that's why the podcast is so great

you really appease the masses really loving it keep doing what you're doing love you fools seriously let me come on the podcast okay bye sounds like we got a stalker yeah I'm confused was that um

oh hey guys like you're doing a great job or was that oh hey guys put me on the goddamn podcast the lines are a little blurred here you know poor calo's dose for calo's dose little column a little column b sorry i guess i gotta say the ideal listener does not listen to does not watch the bachelor and minimal knowledge about football that's really the persona we're striving for appreciate it denise we're going for knowing nothing about what we're talking about but corey you're our merch guy send her a t-shirt yeah get her hooked up yeah they're flying off the shelves we gotta gotta get cody to make us a hat, man. He's got all those plain, blank hats.

See, the problem is, we didn't really touch on it, but after episode one, maybe it was two, I did not win the lottery. So he does not have much capital. That's fair. But maybe soon we'll have the capital. Also, so if anyone has any dumb questions or comments or segments or anything you want for us to put in the podcast randomly every episode description and spotify apple podcast anything there's a link in it and that's where you go to send in little segments like denise just did so send us something something dumb we'll put it in there so rooks talk us into the week eight of

the bachelor all right we're we're we're right, we're in the final stretch here. We got a few more ridiculous things to go through. Starting off this week, we got hometowns. For those of you who don't know, maybe you want to tune into The Bachelor. Inform listeners like Denise who may not know what a hometown is. Maybe you want to know what this what this section of the

show is so pretty much there's four people left that typically they would travel to the the bachelor would travel to the contestants hometowns meet family get shown around what their life is is like so we're in quarantine so each of each contestant has three or four people come up and grill matt for the entire the entirety of the episode he does have home field advantage somewhat home field advantage yeah that's the that's the pretty neutral field that's his yeah neutral field neutral field i'll give you that. But we started off. We got Michelle. Michelle's from where she says she was from Minnesota. Yeah.

Yeah. Michelle's going to take Matt to Minnesota. And the only way you can take someone to Minnesota, let's ride some goddamn bicycles around. No, no, no, no, no. They did the they did the road by teacher. The the teacher i guess but the start the start of it oh true true true oh i'm gonna show matt what minnesota is all about get your ass on a bike and everyone knows it's the bike city it's the call that's that is the nickname for minnesota in the twin bike city bike state here the in bike city. The twin bike city. Bike state here. The tandem bike city.

But yeah, so we got that, which is fine. I mean, I don't. You can't really talk to somebody when you're biking. I don't know. I'd be huffing and puffing.

Not like you could talk to people when you're skydiving. Oh, can't wait for that. Can't wait. But yeah, Rooks just doesn't want any physical activities while you're trying to talk to him. That's what I'm't want any physical activities while he's trying to talk to a girl.

That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to I'm trying to talk to this girl. And when Matt's wearing this like lavender sweater and he you saw the pit stains when he was talking to kids, bro, I'd be getting off that bike. Disgusting. Riding a bike around in jeans and a lavender sweater. I'd be disgusted. Exactly. Pedal Tavern picture would be posted on our Twitter.

You will see this. Yeah. sweater i'd be disgusted exactly pedal tavern picture would be posted on our twitter you will see this god but yeah they bike around then michelle says i'm gonna put matt through something matt gets full zoomed in front of 12 children who are ready to just rip him a new one all right i got something to say about this. Like, good for Michelle. Like, love school teachers. We all do. Good for you.

Great. What grade did they say? Did we hear what grade this is? I have no idea. They looked... If I were to guess, I would have said, like, second or third. Okay.

So we agree that most likely this is, like, this kid's first year with her, assuming it's a normal classroom. I bounced from teachers growing up. So then how long has she known these kids for is my first question, because she's on week 10 of vacation in quarantine. So like I find it hilarious that it's like how well they know them. And basically I feel like the producers were like, yeah, like obviously you're going to introduce your kids because it's adorable and like it's going to play great with the audience and then they just get teed up these great questions to

interrogate interrogate matt which i don't know i just read sometimes i read a little bit too much of the production value and i was just sitting there thinking, like, these kids, they have no idea what is happening. And they're just like, kid, read from this slide right here. It just makes me laugh. I mean, obviously, they're handed questions. Yeah. Because, you know, got to make it spicy. Otherwise, they'd be like, Matt, what's your favorite character in Minecraft? Mine is Steve.

The number one question asked by a child to someone who looks someone athletic is can you dunk a basketball that's what gets asked 98 of the time the fact that one not one kid said matt can you dunk is preposterous they were feeding them questions but i like this i thought it was cool i mean i agree with cory how like and i didn't think about that at all but yeah how much do these kids actually know her at this point yeah one it's been it's been quarantine too so they've probably been doing online learning i just also love factoring the vacation thing like she hasn't been doing zoom classes for a while hey i love you so much that i'm leaving you for up to possibly 12 weeks to go on a television show that's some abusive relationship

lines i need you guys to be my cheerleader when i go travel my other favorite thing was at the end when they're like give thumbs up two thumbs up one thumb up for how you think Matt did. I was waiting for the one like class clown kid. Did you feel like? Yeah, I wonder. I genuinely wonder how much there had to be like a decent amount of editing throughout all of that. Just because it's 12 screens of children on television. We should have gotten Rachel and Claire's opinion about Zoom teaching and how that ending would have gone. I'm going to tell you right now, it wouldn't have been a good positive opinion on the subject.

That would have been a lot of pain. That would have had another hour. We don't have time for all those opinions. But yeah, I liked it. I thought it was cool seeing that kind of stuff. But then we move forward into the actual hometown aspect where parents are coming into play. Michelle's dad, he seemed like just the nicest.

He seemed like the nicest. Yeah, first off, that name. Wow. nicest he seemed like the nice yeah first off that name wow but great he just seemed so nice and then there were multiple times where it was very obvious this guy had no idea how much air time he was actually like gonna get there were so many times where him and matt were talking and he looked like he was just wandering off into space and like looking at production like, are we done yet? Because he just seemed, he just seemed ready to go. He was less attentive than the children on the Zoom call. Honestly, when him and Matt were having, well, him and Matt were having the, I'm getting a little ahead.

Let's talk first. Matt brings, Matt brings these gifts in. Yeah. Zach, guest from last week Zach asked a silly question oh do you think like Matt picks the gifts or do you think production does

production absolutely does this man came to a family with a giant like carnival bear like who would ever like meeting someone's parents for the first time be like hey i won this at a carnival like it's not left over from him and piper's date he just production said hey take this bear and he was like what don't worry they'll love it it won't not be hilarious at all

makes no sense but matt walks up talks to the fam um they gave they were pretty fine right their family was totally they were like that's why i'm convinced that's why they were first it's like totally normal well in the mom super chill the mom and dad just had doubts but even matt didn't say he was falling in love to the dad I'm pretty sure and the dad was he only liked the dad a little bit yeah the dad was just fine like he was even

with that happening he was still there for the conversation as much as he could be yeah the parents were both they're both just really really nice and just like couldn't care less they weren't concerned they're just like just like be a nice guy and he was they're like all right we're good like they had no other opinions other than that when we got moved on we got these two moments too or yeah it was like two moments with michelle with her parents

where she was like crying about her past her past, and she said stuff like, oh, like, you guys were so good with me when I was at, like, my lowest point. And I was like, this has nothing to do with Matt, but, like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And they, like, haven't brought that up

in, like, the episodes at all. There hasn't been, like, a storyline of, like, showing her history or anything. So I was lost on that. Doesn't Serena... we'll get into it but didn't doesn't serena p have like a similar thing it's like there's some history in the past with a previous i got i have a whole lot to say about serena p okay i'll pause it okay serena p is my my kit of this episode but okay um okay but yeah michelle's parents were nice and they were just very they were just supportive i i hate the parents that come on the show and when they're explaining the idea

and the parents like well how do i not how does she compare to the other girls and how does she not know or like where you guys are in comparison to the other girls it's you're on it's a television show it's a game show there is love involved but in reality this is a show it just seemed like they one this is probably more likely we're too oblivious about like that aspect of it they're just like whatever like our daughter you know likes this guy we're gonna act as if that's the situation and like not pay attention the oblivious about like that aspect of it. They're just like, whatever, like our daughter, you know, likes this guy. We're going to act as if that's the situation and like not pay attention to the whole, like they're going to be engaged in like a week scenario. Or it's just like, they're like

one of the few parents that don't jump into the drama of it all for the entertainment value of television. Like I could see parents being like, um, like, do you love my daughter? Cause like, prove it. Why are you dating these other girls? You should break up with them right now. And it's like, if any of your daughters like sat with you and talked about what they were doing for the next 10 weeks, you would be well aware of what's going to go on. It's not like they don't have these shows on Netflix and the parents can't do their research like yeah they should know what's going on if they're gonna have a sit down conversation with their daughter before going or son on bachelorette going on this show and like saying this is what i'm doing and like you know expect this at the end if there's home visits and it's

every single time it's like the same conversation yeah oh, how'd we get here? I don't know. As I said last week, hometowns every season are super, super repetitive. It's a whole lot. They show in the preview, they try to make it look like it's gonna be this crazy catastrophe. In reality, it's just a lot of parents

not understanding what's happening and the bachelor themselves trying to talk and convince them that this is real when with matt and they always end up saying the same thing to all four parents and yes pretty disingenuous but the thing i want to say about this hometown him and michelle he actually seemed like he was laughing like a real human being for once he didn't have his kawaii leonard laugh he like actually laughed to all like the things the kids are saying to him so it's like okay he's kind of into it yeah and then she is just so in love with him though she loved no that's that's the thing that's the thing i feel

terrible for this girl i'm gonna put my point in right now. I don't think I'm going to pick Michelle. When we do our picks at the end, I'm going to say it right now. I'm not putting Michelle in it because she said the whole, you know, Rooks has said it many times, I'm falling in love with you thing. And his response was a smile. Like he didn't even like say anything which is not a good look not like like i love how much time i'm spending with you i love being with you like you can dance around being like i'm in love with you or i am falling in love with you but he gave like zero reassurance but just like do the bare minimum my guy like she's the remaining four. So, yeah.

I didn't like that. I don't know how much they're allowed to say it back, but whoever their top one is, they always say it back. And you're like, okay, well, now it's obvious who you're actually into. But yeah, all he did was just lean in for a kiss so he didn't have to say anything.

He just, get rid of the moment. In this, like, I believe in this show, you can say you're falling in love with more than one person because you are building all these relationships and that's kind of the point of the show is you're supposed to decipher this kind of stuff so you're supposed to separate them all into their own individual things obviously it's hard to do but that's the way it's supposed to and there's been multiple seasons where the people have said, I'm falling in love with you to more than one contestant, which I think is fine. And,

and like the aspect of the show, but with Matt, it's very, very black and white right now who he's the most interested in. There's no, there's no gray area and we'll, we'll get more into it, but it sucks.

Cause it, it looks like the next couple couple weeks are going to be intense we all know what's happening if you don't know who's winning the show at this point I don't know what to tell you and that's knowing who's going to win without I've never seen any spoilers about it

yeah I haven't seen one spoiler for this season I know I can say right now who's gonna win the show yeah well i think it all comes back to brian's point last week which is 100 accurate like you don't go down with the ship unless there you have to defend somebody and that's what chris harrison did and that's i mean that's why it is the way it is but you know we're gonna be here more than just a few weeks,

so we're going to cover it. We'll see what happens. And let's keep the tally. Corey Myers, Wink News. Heard it here first. Let's keep the tally right now. Michelle said I'm falling in love with you. What did Matt say?

Nothing. Nothing. So that's Michelle. Line, line. Michelle, I like you. I enjoy you on the show. That's an L for you. That's a line line. Michelle, I like you. I enjoy you on the show. That's an L for you. That's a big L.

Let's move on to the next one that I am. So, oh, man, just awesome. So we're moving on to Rachel. Rachel shows up wearing this tattered sweatshirt. She's wearing this pink sweatshirt that has all these like rips in it. And I was, I said out loud with the people I was watching with, it's like,

what is she wearing? What is this? If you would have worn that on the fashion date and said, you never own shoes over $40, I'd be like, yeah, I totally see that. You look homeless.

But I don't know. I don't know what she's wearing. This hometown girl should like it's time to step it up. She knew she was going to jump out of a plane. You don't really want to wear your nicest clothes. Yeah, I mean, I guess it ended up working out in her favor. She didn't ruin any anything later, but she should have looked like the Michelin man. She knew it was going to happen.

Yeah, absolutely. But she shows up, picks Matt up, blindfolds him in the car. I can't tell. Matt either had vinegar strokes. If you don't know what vinegar strokes, the vinegar strokes face off. Please explain. Please explain. Whenever a guy looks like they're about to orgasm,

they look like someone's holding a spoon up to their nose that has vinegar in it, so their face gets all twitchy. Matt either looked like he was going to poop his pants in the car or he was in the middle of some vinegar strokes. A little bit of both? Maybe a little bit. Maybe it was vinegar strokes and he was pooping. I don't know, man. But he either looked like he was vinegar strokes and he was pooping i don't know man

but he he didn't he either looked like he was having the worst time or the best time but they pull up to the date and they are going skydiving which i it's a fun, cool thing. Do you guys want to go skydiving? I've been. It's fun. As a date, I don't know. But he said, he was like, this is my favorite, my perfect date. I love this so much. And she was like, hella excited too. So it seems like it was a really good choice,

which I hate because it makes them seem really compatible and I don't want them to be good together. They've said so many times that he's an adrenaline junkie.'s the buzzword it's the buzz phrase of the show so like I'm not shocked I was kind of thinking the same thing again to Rooks's point earlier like you can't really talk too much even if you can you're inside a plane like you're gonna scream at each other so the most you can talk is down at the bottom but it is cool to be like you know it was an experience you both did together it's not every day okay like i could see that side of it i'm not gonna rag on it too much we have other things to focus on have you ever gone scot-damming i have not but i i will i will it's on my list i i always said oh yeah that

would be awesome i know the second the second i'm up in the plane, I'm going to look like Matt when Rachel was driving. I'm going to either look like I'm nutting or shit in my pants. I think it'll be the latter. Dude, I was never nervous until like an hour before, and I was like, I know I'm going to be super nervous as soon as I see this plane. I'm going to freak out the entire time. And it was the worst.

You're so nervous because you're literally jumping from a plane. How are you going to be comfortable doing that? But like when you're in there, it's pretty awesome. As nervous or less nervous than popcorn reading in third grade? Oh, third grade. I wasn't that nervous. My anxiety developed through middle school. Yeah, third grade, everyone knows how to read.

You just kind of wing it. You're good. Okay. But before they actually went out through the plane matt has a quote of saying what could possibly go wrong yep yep and i was like okay yep again with the teeing up phrases always gotta set it up so perfect they go up i knew because we already seen the preview we know what to happen. But the second you see the person Rachel strapped to, you know things are going bad. I think Nick Vial tweeted how this 12-year-old get his skydiving license.

This guy literally looks like a knight. He has like the glasses he's wearing. I'm pretty sure you can buy it any amusement park like for children. With like the flames on the side. Yeah, exactly. It looks such like a little kid. I would not be surprised if those were Hot Wheel logo glasses or something. Yeah.

Sponsored. But they go, they go, they jump out. Awesome. Looks super cool. They're both throwing up little hand signs they're falling looking like a-holes i'm convinced so this is my conspiracy theory as they were getting closer to the ground rachel said a line oh i told matt i was falling for him but now i'm literally falling for him i think the dude on her back heard that and said,

no, you're eating shit. He was like, no, I'm not letting you get away with this. You just said that on national television. I am throwing your face into the ground. I don't care. It's done. I do love how little screen time he got. It was like, they're coming down.

She's in the ground. He's like nowhere to be seen. Yeah, dude. He just attempted murder, man. Wait, so I have a really weird take. So, sorry. Have you guys ever seen Hocus Pocus? Because this was legitimately my first thought.

I have, but I don't remember. Are you sure? I've seen it while Rachel has been watching, but I haven't sat down and watched it since i was little okay do you remember the like freaking zombie guy thanks billy like crazy like wacky hair when she goes to get up like matt's like oh my god he goes runs over she goes to get up he's like helping her up because she's concussed like she's in concussion protocol that's for sure her hair 100 billy from hocus pocus and i was like that was a deep memory and i was like holy crap like why like i have to look this guy up i thought his name was benny i didn't even know the name i just knew the image i was like that's a one-to-one

right there yeah look it up and tell me i love it i'm looking right now wait no here i have it i have it i just didn't know if it was gonna be that yes okay like it was tough yeah yeah no she was looking i mean granted she got thrown into the grass well when they cut matt's laying there like perfectly comfortable they cut above to the other guy they were like they were 90 degrees they were completely sideways i knew it was as it was very apparent what was going to happen as somebody who hasn't gone skydiving you could look up and matt knew it we knew it as i just stated have never gone skydiving we knew that that was not right the minute the camera showed it and that's not a good sign

it was yeah when they're coming into land they hit like a giant gust of wind and they're like 45 degrees to the side i was like yeah no that's uh that's gonna be tough but yeah so rachel gets thrown into the ground matt comes over super gentleman oh my gosh are you okay i mean it takes literally no effort to say that to somebody that just got thrown into the ground from skydiving. Hey, he could have smiled and that could have been his only response.

She set the bar real low. He could have tried to make out with her. That's fair. He could have gone into default with Rachel and just been, oh, trying to make out. But so they sit there. They break down for 30 minutes. Man, that was so scary.

I felt so bad for you. And she's like crying. And she's saying things like, oh, I've never like. It's just so touching to see how he reacted. It's like, how is he going to react? That's fair. The bar is very low for him just saying like, are you OK? Is he going gonna come dap

you up hey great job out there i'm like no he's gonna make sure you're okay bars low but like i don't know how much editing is in it but she seemed like she took it pretty well like she didn't like cry or like make that big of a deal about it but maybe they just cut it all out i mean i'll respect it she did take it like a champ and on this show anytime someone gets slightly injured the ambulance shows up yeah exactly like i mean you got you got girls passed you got two times girls passed out at the rose ceremony from standing so like when you get a face full of earth coming from the sky and you're not getting an ambulance like anytime there's a boo-boo on this show the band-aid

is literally the ambulance so props to her on that note that's the only positive thing i'm gonna say about rachel throughout this entire show is props to her for getting yeeted into the floor and not crying constantly about it but then we move on to her meeting the parents. And I, man, I was, I was praying for the mom to be sitting there with a teacup. I was praying for it. I serious question. Did you guys understand a word the mom said the entire time? I don't remember a single thing she said.

It was so So southern It's like in the office when Andy's like We've got to talk like there's molasses Coming out of your mouth But like she was saying things I kept asking I was watching my friend Dan What is she saying?

I don't know what She keeps talking and saying things to Rachel And Rachel's responding But I don't know what's prompting these responses. Did you just hear this in the background the whole time? Hey, Rachel. Yeah.

I hate you. But what are your guys' thoughts on Rachel's parents and that their whole exchange? It was the, like the least involved or like actually like emotionally intelligent conversation out of any of the parents and it didn't go great and they all left and they're like yeah and they're like oh I think it went pretty good no one ever on this show has ever been like yeah that's pretty average and then

they like get on with their lives. They always say it went great. And like, be realistic. Just like say things went bad sometimes, man. Another thought I have on these parents, the dad was getting wasted, man. Yeah, he was. They showed up in the beginning. He was.

His beer was like half full. They cut to the next thing. He's got a full beer. They cut to them outside. He's drinking whiskey whiskey like sipping through the straw through a straw huge villain vibes it was like straight up like a mean girl's vibe i had that written down it was like it was bad the first thing the dad said was so did you crap your pants about them skydiving on national television like this guy is effed up right now. And I respect it.

I respect it. Yeah. I did not notice that at all. That's funny. But dad's dad's pound of drinks. I think that I hated Rachel talks to her mom and Rachel talks about being hurt from earlier. And that's all we see of their conversation.

They like, didn't she brought up, she said that the makeup's covering a big, like bruise or something like didn't she brought up she said that the makeup's covering a big like bruise or something well she said she said oh you should have seen how matt was with me and the mom was just like are you okay like you just said you got thrown from skydiving you got thrown into the ground and she's like yeah i'm good and then that was like their conversation yeah that's why it's, I don't like Rachel. I don't think she's like, if they actually end up together at the end, I don't think it's going to last very long.

What do you mean? And like, when they end up together at the end, it's not going to last very long. And it showed from that too. But then, yeah. And then Matt goes, talks to dad. This is the typical dad who just doesn't understand the show at all he he asked over and over again yeah i don't understand because you say you love my daughter but you're dating three other people and i don't understand how you can get engaged it's just

like yeah we know you boomer like we know but it's it's a show man like watch it on netflix there's like eight seasons every dad has asked the same your daughter said she was gonna go on the show wouldn't you wouldn't you go on wikipedia once like wouldn't you look into this no he's like what's the worst that's gonna happen she's gonna jump out of a plane and hurl herself to the earth exactly but yeah they're matt and the dad's conversation was i thought it was a bad conversation to be honest the dad the dad was not really receptive to it and just kept saying like yeah we're gonna support her but i don't understand yeah well i thought i've seen worse

i'll say that it was i think it was like the worst out of all of them I've seen worse in bachelor history I think I think that was a good ending for as as best he could get out of the dad it was like I'm gonna side with my daughter I don't really understand it I wish there was just more like I what did he say uh I hope they take their time, which, ha ha ha, like, somebody's getting engaged at the end of this. But he doesn't know that because he's hammered. So it's just like. He's never seen the show. He's never done any research. He doesn't know what it means.

Yeah. So it's like, I mean, for a home slash neutral field visit, it was fine. It was definitely the worst out of all of them, in my opinion. But, like, it could have been a lot worse. If the dad didn them in my opinion but like it could have been a lot worse if the dad didn't have so many drinks it would have been a lot worse my only hope is that skydiving her hitting her head on the ground getting some cte is gonna knock a little bit of the south out of her so we'll see but yeah there and then my biggest problem so she going into the going into meeting the parents she mentions and like in the interview oh i want i would love for matt to ask for my dad's blessing

after and then let's let's tally this up she says she's falling in love with matt matt says he's falling in love with her yep so w for rage we're gonna keep track of those so that's an l for michelle and a w for rachel but he says he's i hate you but then so he said he's falling in love with her which like that's always a huge deal on the show when oh yeah the person that when the bachelor or bachelorette says that to a contestant that's a huge deal and then they cut to rachel and she's so pissed that matt didn't ask for the dad's blessing she's so pissed about it she's so confident that he's not into any of the other girls though and only into her but then is like very like mad about like he's not even further madly in love with her like you can't have it both ways when she's it's it's frustrating because it's obvious she wants to win the show but i don't think she she doesn't like process

these things these important things with matt in like a love context it's it seems very for the show but yeah she's all mad at him because and and he, I loved his answer. He said, he said, um, when our relationship gets to that point and we're like going to do this, I will ask your dad for it, which I think is totally fair. Yeah. Yeah. Not having to ask for it just because you're on the show and the timeline exists and because he's still dating poor people at that point. And it's the first time he's meeting the family. Like, he might have mentioned that it was like i'm coming to meet all

these family members like i want to meet them and like let them know how i feel about their daughter and then i'm gonna like i'm gonna circle back to it like it doesn't need to happen right now but she was so mad about it and then but like brian said she knows that he doesn't like any of the other girls as much as he likes her. And again, this episode, again, they didn't talk about shit the whole time. They don't talk about anything. They just make out. Also, random note about Matt making out this episode. Eyes are shut now, but he keeps going in with his mouth completely wide open, man.

Yeah, that was all over Twitter. Every time he's going in for a kiss, he's trying to show how big his mouth completely wide open man yeah that was all over twitter every time he's going in for a kiss he's trying to show how big his mouth is like what are you doing i listened to i don't know what bachelor podcast it was because there's a million of them but it had abigail on it and they interviewed her from like a couple weeks ago and they asked her if he's a good kisser or not and she said i'll plead the fifth and that never answered so he's a horrible kisser like you don't say that you can't you can't get out of that question having a clarinet that's the problem handsome squidward he doesn't it's like that's mouth open you know it's a problem it's he he

needs to do something well in i don't know man his like i'm not i'm not talking like i'm some love makeout expert here but the way he kisses, it's just, he keeps his mouth open and he just keeps pecking. Like that's not making out. All right. I'm going to, I won't lie. I kind of like look away and don't pay attention.

Cause I'm like, it's weird to just watch people make out in that like context. I don't look away, but I'm not like diving in depth about like, I'm not diving into depth about like, this guy's diving into depth about like this guy's really good at this or this guy's not good at this it's just something i notice where and it's the same thing happened on colton season colton was the king of tongue man he lead with the tongue like that thing is that thing is sticking out as he's going in for it which is like what are you doing but

let's be real here colton was a virgin so it's it's it's fair like you don't know what you're doing you get a pass matt james the slayer the slayer dude the tyler c groupie like this man has to know how to kiss like come on but it's just one random thought that i noticed or one of you playing the drinking game this week tyler c was mentioned please take a sip drink up um but yeah that was rachel's and it was i besides serena's i think rachel's was the worst out of the other three the worst but the best of the week just entertainment wise honestly but i kind of expected more out of it i mean she did throw her face into the ground but the best of the week just entertainment wise honestly but i kind of expected more out of it i mean she did throw her face into the ground but like

i thought it's gonna be more dramatic it was still the most but it's just it's to a t rachel this season there's just nothing to it yeah there's no conversation rachel doesn't really get involved in the drama which like that's fine but there's just nothing to it she's just matt let's make out take me to the finale i need my sponsored ads on instagram let's go take me to the promised land um but then we move from that on to brie's date first off brie's my favorite brie is absolutely 110 my favorite of the four left yeah yeah i don't feel any like indifferent about her so i guess that means she's my favorite because like she's she doesn't have tough competition i don't like two of them i fucking hate so um not that tough competition but breeze date so brie they go off-roading to start i hate how you gonna

off-road in a lime green jeep like gotta show off the mud man you gotta you gotta have like the it's gotta be either be like the all black or it's gotta be like the camo tan or something you gotta like you can't have lime green well and they're mudding in like a fully enclosed car like i guess it's off-roading but it was sort of mudding at one point like yeah go to atv go actually do it right that was even saying where'd this rain come from where'd this puddle come from it's like they freaking put the hose on you idiot like of course but it's like i look i look at the g i look at the jeep is the same as the asian at Penn State, man. They got a Mercedes Benz.

And then they're throwing a camo like wrap on it. It's a Mercedes. Just leave it in black or silver. You don't need to do anything else with it. It's a goddamn Mercedes Benz. But I digress. But so then we go. We go.

They start. They're talking. They were just like. It was like a fine date i don't really have much like about this date they like talked a little bit about their like relationship like actually somewhat meaningful stuff nothing too like crazy it was like i'm really interested in meeting your mom like you come from what a single parent similar background yeah something like that which is cool like i think that's pretty good because you know you're getting into meeting the family you're gonna talk about it like i thought that went fine and then honestly like my thoughts about the mom was like intimidating

at first and then like she seemed pretty chill after the fact like i was building up for her to be like like i don't know grilling the grilling the crap out crazy protective yeah and like she gave off those vibes initially and then she kind of doubled back to you know like what my child wants like if it's what you think you can handle if it's like how you feel like i support you but make sure you feel that way kind of thing so it's like i don't know i thought it was fine i don't i don't remember what she there was one question she asked i can't remember his answer and it's bothering me but it it lined up matt had some terrible answers this episode yeah there was i totally forgot about this michelle's and this is like a little sidetrack but one of the kids asked um what are you what are you going to do to inspire Michelle or something like that? And he said

I'm going to be her champion. What? You get in the octagon, brother? What are you doing? He's going to be on a Wheaties box, my guy. I don't understand. I'm going to be her champion? That's a terrible answer. Just absolutely terrible. Everyone knows the line is

you have to be her cheerleader. Come on. Yeah, exactly. You have to cheer her cheerleader come on exactly everyone says you're on to finish her midterms dude um but we'll get back to brie state um but yeah i i like the mom a lot the mom yeah she she came at it from the angle of this is like crazy like explain this to me and then she dialed like not dialed it back but accepted what it was and i liked her i i agree with cory i thought she was gonna be like welcome to the fucking hot seat dude she came in hot at the very beginning in like she pushed first she pulled him so quickly it was i think her question to to tag on what rooks was saying i

think her question was like when they first sat down i think it was like what have you been somebody asked like what have you guys been doing and she was like oh you've been dating a lot of girls or something and he was like i've been dating your daughter a lot and it was like that's that's not an answer that's gonna make her happy yeah yeah that first question she gave to him was the very first thing she said it was like really heated and like you didn't know how to read it at first but then yeah she lightened up and she just she seemed really chill all on twitter was just people being like this is a great mom i love her she's the best and like yeah i agree it was chill there wasn't really much to that date at all so yeah no that was fine but the talk after man let's let's

tally this up brie says and it took a lot for brie to say it but she said she was falling in love with matt what did matt say to that i'm falling for you is what he said so that's a fat that is a fat l so that's two l's on the board and one w um also i would like to say brie real fucking tears thank you for some real goddamn tears dude rachel on her date even after rachel got slammed into the fucking ground she couldn't pull tears together she literally kept jabbing herself in the fucking eyeball praying for something to come down her face oh god praying for a tear to stream down her face strike that from the record that That's what I did. But she was trying so hard to get a tear to stream down her face and she just couldn't do it.

And she got yeeted into the ground. Brie sees her family and immediately starts crying. Get your goddamn acting game up. If you're going to be an actress on this show being an a-hole, be good at being an actress. Tell us how you really feel.

Pissed me off. No one on this season could cry, except for Bruce. No one on this season could cry. Matt even, we even saw Matt cry, dude. Yeah. And this man has no emotions. Next hometown, there's some tears. Or after the hometown at some point.

There always are. If there weren't i'd unsubscribe but yeah so let's let's move in let's move into um canadian uh canadian trivia night with um serena c i would or serena is it serena c serena p it's i have c written down no serena c was the one the worst that we didn't serena p's Serena P. It's a P, you're right. Serena P. We're a credible podcast, guys, with The Bachelor. Don't worry.

Only the best notes. Serena takes Matt into this bar, Canadian stuff everywhere, and just quizzes. He's taking the Canadian, what is it? What is it? To be... Citizenship test. Citizenship test. Citizenship test. I was going to say civilian test.

That's definitely not the one. But yeah, it's a Canadian citizenship test, pretty much. She asked, like, can you point to where I live? And he was like, there. But they didn't show it on the camera. And she was like, yeah, how'd you know? It's like, he didn't point to the right spot. But I... So I have a problem with this date during hometowns like i feel like hometowns needs to be more like i mean they other people were doing like fun stuff and stuff but like michelle

introducing him to her kids and stuff i think like like i don't know i think oh hey i'm gonna quiz you on canadian slang oh also tonight you're meeting my parents i think that's a little bonkers but like at least she did do sort of a hometown thing like you normally would like michelle went bike riding like you said that's dumb that's okay minnesota that is fair serena ran with the idea of it being in canada which none of the other three did that also i'm gonna i'm gonna tag onto this she what they tried uh boutine for the first time like okay that's huge canadian thing like canadians are pretty interesting people in the nicest way possible like he's gotta know there going to be some hockey involved.

So she did that. I respect it. It is a different country as much as U.S. as it is. They are very similar. If that's what your hometown is, go for it. Can we talk about Matt thinking a toboggan was a hat? Can we talk about that? I don't know what he's thinking of there is a word that's

really similar and i couldn't think of it they said they said too but right there's a there's like an american word that's similar to toboggan that means a hat and i don't know what it is it's a flat burn that's what they call it he was so sure that it was a hat he was so confident his answer and she was like laughing. And he said, oh, is that right? She's like, no, you fucking idiot. Come on, man. But I thought it was a cute date, though.

Honestly, like Bambi out there, though. I will say, I think it's I didn't think about the fact that this is hometown. So it's her trying to run. She's running with that idea. That's fair. compared to like okay we're gonna drive in a jeep through like one puddle and then go have a picnic like that like okay cool like you learned her background they like they seemed like they're actually having fun like through that date she has the most personality out of the last four by far because she's like

they're actually laughing with each other like messing around they're like they have energy but then they're also like kind of chill like between them though i get crazy friend vibes yeah it's crazy friend vibes and that's and i do agree with you that she definitely is the most like bubbly out of the last the last four and like they do have like banter it seems like they talk and stuff yo shout out love island bansa um but they're like they were going back and forth and stuff but he's had the most one-on-one time with her yep they've had she's had two one-on-ones she's at hometowns it and i'll get into this later it bothers me how like just friendly they are at this point. And it,

it just, it got to me, but date goes on, you know, she was deacon him out on the, in the ice rink, you know, hit the hitter,

hit it with the Charlie Conway, the triple D thing was filthy. Triple D glove side, baby. Triple D glove side. Matt definitely didn't know how to ice skate, which like, Hey,

I'm there with you fam i'm totally there um and then so then we move into her meeting the parents thoughts on the parents uh i don't think i have any strong opinions about it i can't remember i have to think hold on i know the parents we really didn't see too much of the dad also during hers i was kind of like i was like half listening because i knew inevitably she was the one going home i yeah there's no competition between these four of who's going home it's during her date when they're like playing hockey and all that and then talking to the parents right after my only note was she needs to send herself home because she seemed so unconfident about it

compared to all the other ones so and what bothers my biggest issue and we were talking i was talking to people i was watching with and um one of my friends she was like she likes serena and she said oh like i get it though and like she's probably just caught up in this she's trying to like him but trying to like him isn't the point of the show yeah and especially in the top four trying to like him people are all gone so and my big point was there has to be some kind of dishonesty with how you're talking to him yeah her sister her sister all her sister said or it was her sister or mom one of them just asked a general or said something like oh i mean you don't look like completely smitten yeah which which could just be the situation it could be

the cameras it could be all this other stuff and she immediately started crying i was like oh my god do i not like him yeah it took one question for her to all of a sudden be ready to send herself home to be fair though she might have been like trying like you said and i get that like you have to understand like how far you are you can't be trying at that point maybe that was the first time somebody outside the group that she knows is like, hey, how do you feel about this? And she's like, uh, like internal panic sets in. Having like someone else, especially someone, you know, like family say that kind of stuff. Yes, it totally would hit so different. Yeah.

Having a third party actually like verify your own thoughts hits home really hard compared to just maybe oh it's just me being crazy yeah so that's definitely what like kind of solidified it for one thing i need to say matt james pants when he was like ice skating dude's jeans are way too tight you could see his butthole through his jeans man man. They are just, it's too much. Like, he's already skinny as hell. Like, he's just a twig. Dan calls him the slender man. Dan says he looks like the slender man, which I think is very accurate.

Yo, shout out, Dirty. Oh, we agree. But, yeah, I just don't. The mom and sister both just asked very general questions and that caused her to spiral and crumble and i think there there's definitely some truth i don't think she wasn't into him at all or anything i definitely think there was some feeling there but we are past the people trying to like him you know there's there's no business having especially with her having two one-on-ones and stuff like time's not an issue all this other stuff combined and then

hometowns her being asked one question and spiraling there's there has to be some level of her being disingenuous and he's so into her too it's not like he's like kind of wishy-washy and so she doesn't like have it reciprocated he is so into her like i i don't think she would have went home this week honestly i forgot about the two one-on-ones that makes me more you know a little bit more pissed off about it because it's like i mean to be one of the girls on the show she stole time from other girls and it's like you still you still feel the way you feel when in the back of your mind you felt that way and you just wanted more and more and more time when at some point you have to sit there and realize okay what like what is my relationship to this guy right now if it's friend that's fine like that happens but like realize that early on

well and yeah and you you've like spent time like time with this girl like i don't know it's not abigail where he just said oh hey i liked you in the beginning and i kind of forgot about you it's not it's not that situation all right b we miss you abigail justice for abigail justice but yeah so then their conversation after the date conversation after the date matt again just has no idea he's she's obviously upset and he later on says he knew that she was upset but in that conversation he's like i think it went good he's just like smiling and happy it's like yeah oh this guy's just so he's just a little puppy dog man like he he's so naive to anything going on around him it's very pilot pete-esque at points yeah well so he goes he obviously leaves it in a situation where he was unsure of what would

come of it he decides to go back to try to resolve it i was sitting watching it and i'm i'm see i thought he was gonna pull out out the butt move his signature you know he's saying about how much he likes her how good of a time he's had all this stuff I'm like he's going to hit her with the butt his butt never came hold brothers hold cause Serena

P's coming at ya and she hit him hard with his own move it was tough to see yeah it was great yeah reverse you know I was just so She hit him hard with his own move. It was tough to see. Yeah. It was great. Yeah. Reversal now. I was just so,

I don't, he makes no sense to me. And this is when I was texting you guys and I said, my brain is hurting watching this. He has three girls who he obviously has a better relationship with than this one girl.

Yeah. He has a good time with the other three. He doesn't have as good of a time with this one. And he goes out of his way to her and is like, I need, I want you to be here. And all like really fighting for it. And I don't know if it's just like, I don't know if it's just a play on TV to make himself look like a good guy or something like that. But it, it makes no sense how hard he was fighting for her. It makes no sense how hard he was fighting for her. It makes zero sense.

I mean, I don't... His date, his family date with her went fine for him, though. Like, all the tough questions were her dealing with it. His conversations were chill. There wasn't anything weird, drama-y brought up for him. And like we said before, she's the one with the most personality of those four so he probably has had the best time with her just from like an enjoyment just fun standpoint so i see why he's still into her but he could have come out of that being very happy and nat could have like it could have been like a complete 180 for him it could have been

like i'm meeting the families this was the best one and now here i am and you're unsure and what's happening he seemed pretty blindsided by it he like i was watching it when cory watched it too and he pauses for so long after she says like i don't think you're my person and he's like it is very very very obvious from this last scene, from this scene of the episode. Matt James has never gotten rejected in his life. Yeah. There is. He, she said it, and he's just like, I don't know. I don't know.

And he just sat there. He didn't say that. And, like, just was silent boy-o for a little. And then he's leaving crying. And I think think i genuinely think he being so upset i don't think it was about serena i don't i think it was just what he said he said in the interviews like the one-on-one uh interview cameo whatever the i'm losing my mind confessional the confession the confessional he said in the past i've always had trouble having these hard conversations and

i ran into this one like headfirst and it got in it was so hard for me to do that type stuff it's obvious that there's a lot going on in that aspect with it too but i think also i think it turned into more him being scared that other girls that he was more interested were going to send themselves home. And he was going to get rejected. I think it was more about that kind of stuff than it was, oh, Serena's not going to be here anymore. I feel like he's very into Serena. And if he thought she was ahead of the other girls, now he's hella unconfident and just shook about the rest of those relationships. So I can see that

I bet he just with how bubbly she is and stuff too I think he probably thought she was the most interested in him too just because she's more animated and stuff about it so yeah he was probably just shocked down to his core when it

happened and no one ever rejects Matt James. It's very apparent. There's no way this man ever gets rejected. How could you? Dude can't skate. She's from Canada. He's a hoser.

There's no way they could be together. That was it. That's why she dipped. That's what I've written down. Straight truth. I mean, skate don't lie. So eventually, Serena says, you're not my person. You're not my champion. Yeah, you're not my person you're not my champion yeah you're not my champion i'm not giving you the belt um and then love it matt james gets the escalate treatment matt

james is in the back crying which is hilarious so funny to me. So good. But then we move on. The girls are all at the rose ceremony. Shout out to Rachel for the stupidest moment on this entire season. I don't know if you guys caught this. Brie looks at Rachel and Brie asks, Oh, do you have any idea if Serena's coming back? And Rachel looks at her and goes, Hey, is Serena coming?

That was her answer to, Hey, is Serena coming back? And she said, Is Serena coming? Bro, she just asked you the same fucking question. How are you going to answer what the question she asked you? Could have been editing could have been editing fucking idiot producers forgot which one they told they asked question a little bit of the cte you know she just doesn't remember i just love the whispering

like first of all you're right next to each other you can talk in a regular voice second of all it's not dramatic like it's not it's just weird and creepy like all of them are whispering at each other just talk well then what they're they're on this they're not you think serena's stuck in traffic or something and like no she would be there come on that's stuck behind the zamboni on the ice She has to make sure the ice is clean. Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, then we get the stupid, stupid ceremony where Matt is asking

all three of them. Dude, honestly, thought Brie wasn't gonna get a rose. I don't know why, they, like, paused so long, and I thought the music was gonna change, and they showed his face for, like, half a frame longer than normal, and I was like, oh crap, oh crap. And and then she actually got one you just got to god by the production staff congratulations i i don't think he likes brie that much she did she goes home and

she was like i don't know how and this is like probably drama set up with the next week or two weeks from now she's like i don't know how i feel being the last one to get a rose and it's like like the mat like the order matters like just come on i i like i like brie i just i think matt i genuinely think her saying she quit her job i think i scared the shit out of him because i don't i i genuinely don't i don't there's some people i'm seeing online more and more now that people don't think he's taking this seriously. Yeah, there's like more and more like with how the season's going, more and more people are saying they don't think he's like taking it seriously. I don't necessarily think that. I just, I don't think he understands the reality of all of this and that most of the time when the show ends that people leave engaged

and i think he's just like oh i'll just tell her we're eventually getting engaged like he's just giving her more time to get her resume put together get some more job offers out there because they are in quarantine she's probably got some time but yeah you can endorse her on linkedin boost that resume a bit. It'd be good. But yeah, I think Bree saying that made it very real. And I think now he's scared. But he's not going to send her home after that. But I think he's terrified.

I mean, if her goal was to make it to the top three, congrats with that play. If this is truly, in fact, a game of chess, great job because that got you there. But is it gonna make him love you more because it's like you're putting that much pressure no yeah but so next week is the like tell all yeah and then the week after that will be the fantasy suites women tell all i am so excited i just i want them i want them to address a lot of the times when someone is when something really bad happens and it sucks because now chris harrison's gonna say it and he has no he has no business acting high and mighty about anything but

chris harrison is gonna be say i want him to do like the bullying talk and be like oh do you guys know how you were acting and then show video clips and just rip into these everyone hates these girls literally everyone hates these girls i mean they've all seen it they've all watched the season up to this point so they have to see like what they've been shown as but they're all going to defend themselves and act like they're not bullies still like that, that's the women tell all. I never actually watch it because it's annoying because nothing ever, like, gets resolved. Oh, yeah. It's just. I like I like the women tell all, though, because there's there's occasional times where it's it's the Katie versus Serena, where someone just gets body bagged on live television.

And I love it. I live for that stuff. There was a lot of clips of Katie on this one, too. So she's going to she's going to come out swinging. Excited to see her again. But yeah, I'm excited for the women's hell all. I love the women's hell all. They showed Matt James coming out.

He switched from Kawhi Leonard to James Harden. He's got the beard now. It looks just like James Harden, man. It's so big. I don't mind the beard that much you just have to have more lettuce up top man it looks it's like it's a reverse it looks like a reverse haircut yeah there's nothing up top and there's everything in the bottom sometimes you're a little challenged up top can't really grow much i don't mind i like i like bearded uh matt james

more than beardless matt james he seems less like squidward i i like it i like the look keep doing you matt handsome squidward doesn't have a beard so yeah it throws us off a little bit it's good fair enough but end it with predictions or no are we we over? Do we all, do we all know? We might as well. Okay. I also wanted to ask who you think would be bachelorette for next season. Oh, that's better.

That's better. We all know our actual predictions. I, I genuinely hope no, I hope they go with outside hire. I don't like any, I don't like any of these people. I don't want Katie to come back. Cause I want her to stay away from this terrible show there um i mean i would like i would like abigail and brie but like yeah i don't i don't know if

that's in the cards with them as well i want them to just stay away from the show don't even come near it i think brie that i'll be gonna put my guess is Brie because she's in the top three now. And I don't know. I think she cares enough. She seems like coherent enough to handle her own as the bachelorette. And I think she'd be a good choice out of the options that you have. And yes, with rooks i want abigail away from this so like i i would watch brie's season and be pretty happy about it i think yeah they for people who don't know usually the next bachelor bachelorette is from the top four like 80 chance that's where they come from so you're kind of looking at brie serena michelle rachel or yeah maybe sometimes the outside hire but that's only been more recently usually it's top four it's been pretty consistent if it's serena i will not be happy i don't yeah i i just i want them and this is one thing i saw on taisha's season i want older people on this show I'm getting so sick and tired of these young indecisive people.

They're on there for clout. They're on there for Insta. The people, you think Zach, who won Taste Season, was on that show for Instagram followers? Nope. Hell no, man.

Yeah. I like, in looking back, like there were a few people, there's obviously people you're not going to like. Like I hated Bennett and Ed and like that little posse but everyone else i was thrilled and it's more it's more fun to watch the show when you like the people you're watching it's good to have a villain here there obviously but the top three if matt had three girls that i cared about i would be

so much more interested in the finale. Yeah. The show needs to either go really ridiculous and go flavor a love and have everyone be nonsense. Or you go semi-serious and have people who are actually into it. So I agree. Having people who aren't on the show previously have them a little bit older keeps it a little bit more realistic. Serena P is only 22 years old if she was on the show again this is her career for the rest of her life is just being like a

social i didn't i didn't i didn't know she was 22 that makes so much she's 22 that makes so much sense she's 22 brie and rachel are 24 michelle's 25 i would be i would be fine with brie i think i agree with cory i think brie would do a good job i think she would be fine and i they're setting her up for the come because she's not gonna win they're setting her up for the come up of being the bachelorette because that's yep she ain't got no job and she's and i think when when her and when they end things i think she's gonna have like a really sad moment on television um and i don't think i don't think michelle i think michelle loves matt so when she doesn't win she's gonna be like fuck this i don't want any part of the show fair the preview for next week looks interesting because it seems like

something happens that matt james doesn't do himself like to me it seems like one of the girls again sends themselves home I think it might be Brie if that's the case out of the rest of them like Rooks just said I think Michelle like clearly loves him and I think as we've all said before I think Rachel's gonna win so then Brie's just gonna

be and they set it up for what we haven't made picks yet man come on okay you don't know what I'm thinking I think they set it up for what? We haven't made picks yet, man. Come on. Okay. You don't know what I'm thinking. I think they set it up this episode to be like questions around Brie. They literally said, she's like, I don't know how I feel after being the last one picked. It's like, relax. But also like, yeah, walk off the show if you want to walk off the show.

I just don't think she would after saying she quit her job. Like, you're committed. You're going to go to the end. I think there would have to be something drastic that happens this episode. Like, because Matt, again, she said she was falling in love with him.

He didn't say that. And I want, I'm thinking maybe it comes up again and she's, she wants that affirmation from him. Yeah. And he's not going to give it and she's going to be out. Cause I do agree. I don't, I don't think there's any chance in hell michelle leaves the show on her own

i don't think there's any way that she goes rachel's already committed to the bit so hard like she's she can she can literally taste her instagram followers increasing i don't think she's leaving my only thing is they did show rachel be like i don't know if i can be with matt if he's hooking up with these other girls and like she like breaks down at one point so like there's a tiny somebody gave him chance in my head into her eyes there's a one percent chance in my head that i'm thinking rachel does something dumb and then he just ends up not being married to anybody at the end but that's just my like one tiny hunch from two seconds of preview i i don't she's way too committed to the bit there's no way all right all right to end it

so we all agree rachel you know i've yeah i've plugged this into my my formula here you know question numbers it's it's gonna be rachel matt said he was falling in love with her and they had the conversation about the dad's blessing for engagement matt rachel matt said he was falling in love with her and they had the conversation about the dad's blessing for engagement matt didn't say he wasn't falling in love with any of the other three yeah it's it's very black and white at this point and matt there's matt does not have the ability to hide the little emotion he does have very black and white at this point. Emphasis. We'll end it on that.

But now let's move into, we got a little bit of sports we're going to dabble in here real quick as we do have one of our own here and the person absent as well. We got some Eagles fans in here, some Philadelphia Eagles. You can say his name. Go Birds, baby.

Cody. Eh, whatever. We got an Eaglesagles fan here though this trade cory uh let's let's let's hear let's hear your breakdown first and then we'll share our thoughts all right so for those who don't follow the eagles The trade was Carson Wentz to the Colts for a second round pick in next year's draft and a third round pick in this year's draft. Now, the second round pick is a conditional pick that, and if I have read the conditions correctly and asterisks on that, because who knows, it's 70. If Carson Wentz plays 75 percent of the snaps which okay we'll get into that I don't want any you know targets on that if you play 75 percent of the snaps for next season then it becomes a first round pick if you play 70 percent of the snaps

and the Colts make the playoffs it's also again a first round pick so i have thoughts do we want to get into them do you guys want to talk about your you're bad go for it okay so i think okay i have a lot of thoughts so let me try to formalize those so i don't hate the picks or hate the trade. I will say that first to start us off. I think I hate a lot of other things that led us to this. And that's where my problem lies. I think I don't actually have a feel on how Eagles fans in general feel about this. I know the ones I've talked to are fans of carson wentz still but i realized that you know philly is philly and there's probably some ill will there but i think

that the eagles screwed over carson wentz with the jalen hertz pick and i say that liking jalen hertz and i think i think there was a hole to fill last year with a backup quarterback because, yes, Carson Wentz has been injured multiple seasons in a row, but I think picking second-round quarterback, if you watch the Eagles and you're going to tell me that we don't have other holes to fill at second-round pick, you're crazy, first of all. We have a quarterback.

Pick up a backup quarterback. That's fine do it later in the draft though or get a free agent like you can get a backup quarterback that can keep you in a game keep you competitive if you fill other holes on your team and so my opinion with Carson Wentz in general I'm a fan I like personally I like this trade because I want to root for Carson Wentz I like that he goes to the Colts. He goes outside of our conference. I can root for him.

He's with a sick O-line, which is the problem with the Eagles. One of the best O-line in football. One of the problems with the Eagles, which also to that point makes me confident about the 75% of the snaps because he is their starter going there. So realistically, in my mind, I turn that to, okay, Carson Wentz for a first round pick and a third round pick. I realize that's a little irresponsible to think, but that's just how my mind goes. And when you put it into that context, I like it. The only other negative about it that I don't like is obviously the contract, but it's dead cap money, and that's the timing of the trade.

It's not that the Colts wouldn't have taken on his contract. It's that it was, I think, and I don't know if I'm exact on this. I think it was because it was after the season that accounts as dead money towards next season, which is why the same, I think, for the Rams and Stafford trade, I think they're still dead cap with Goff on the Rams for the same exact reason, because it's the timing of the trade, not for the fact that the trade happened. So I think that's my only thing.

I really wish it happened at a different time, but I realized why they couldn't do that. I think they freed up a huge question mark on the team. I think they could have had Wentz be their starter for the future if they didn't do the Jalen Hurts pick. That being said, I could see Jalen Hurts being fantastic. He has a small sample size. He did crush it.

He did have not many worries on his plate that Carson Wentz had, so he could play a little bit more freely and play more himself, which I like. So overall, I like it. I'm okay with it. I can live with it. I understand why people would not like it, but I guess I'll stop ranting and I'll get So overall, I like it. I'm okay with it. I can live with it. I understand why people would not like it, but I guess I'll stop ranting and I'll get your guys' thoughts on it.

I, so, I like it if the Eagles have, if the Eagles haven't been picking the way they've been picking in the last couple of years. That's true. I think getting draft picks, especially Wentz is goingce is gonna play as you said whence is gonna be the starter him hitting the snap the snap percentage i think that's a guarantee barring injury which i hope for his sake he doesn't get hurt again but um i think it's a solid like

and hurts i agreets looks so good. And he had some, he had some growing pains, obviously. And teams are going to know how to prep for him better now. There's going to be film on him. He's going to be able to get scouted. But I think he showed a lot of promise. And he showed promise with a very, very bad offensive line. Travis Fulgham at wide receiver.

Like there's some messy stuff on that offense. And he was able to piece together a few games over 300 yards. I think that's huge, huge positive. So I think it's good for them in the sense now they can fully commit to hurts being the starter i think that's good clearing that up i just i don't like it in the sense that they've been drafting super weird the last they set themselves up to fuck themselves over again and that's also the point i completely agree with. If you go, if they, I swear to God, if they pick a quarterback before the fourth round, even, even, I'm even sitting here thinking, just don't pick up a quarterback.

Like, again, like I just said, get one of free agency. They can be your backup, whatever. You have Nate Sudfeld. He's been there forever. Whatever. Like just, or maybe he's a free agent. I don't know nate sudfeld's contract i'm proud to say that sorry nate but like i will feel some type of way even

if they pick up a quarterback if they pick one up above the fourth round i'll lose it i will lose my mind so the sort of rumors reports that i've heard. Don't do it. It's on Twitter or whatever, is that they are looking at another quarterback, which I agree makes no sense because you did that with Wentz. Picking up Hurts is a good draft pick because he's a good player. But when you have a quarterback that has like mental issues with just like being able to play, picking a quarterback to replace him makes that twice as bad. So drafting one is only going to hurt well and then drafting drafting hurts where they drafted him with wentz having injury

problems and all these question marks surrounding him and dis like completely disregarding offensive line to protect that person which they are dire they should be desperate at this point for it's it's a recipe for failure every time and if it's it makes no sense and if they were saying oh they just better not look at a quarterback i would not be surprised if they picked a quarterback i won't be either surprised i won't be i won't be surprised if they picked a quarterback. I won't be either. I won't be surprised. I can be very mad about it. I can see it coming and still be mad about it. So the thing about the offensive line, they're just old.

They're old. They need to build them up. And it's tough to build that up in free agency because free agency, you're going to get middle of the lifeline of a lineman slash older. And that doesn't help you for the future if that's your problem, that you have old linemen. Because they have arguably okay linemen when they're healthy. Jason Peters was injured the majority of the year. You have Lane Johnson going down left and right.

Brandon Brooks was out half the season like it's a depleted o-line was it week one that they have like four i think four injuries on the o-line yeah it was when you guys played the football team oh started the season and they had they had a record for the most offensive line combinations in the season with 13 different starting offensive line combinations in week 13 in week 13 so wow uh good for them they set records they do you can't argue that um but so i have i also do want to say with i want to like double back sorry if we talk too much eagles throw the red flag on me but my i want to say this about Carson Wentz. My thing about him is I think he's going to be incredible on the Colts. It may be like a stupid

opinion of mine, but that's fine. That's my opinion. Because I think what sucked for him is I think he was a dual threat quarterback. He was very mobile. He could get out. He was doing weird ass plays where he's getting out of the pocket when he needs to in his first three years. And then he gets that MCL ACL injury at the Rams and he's out for the season for the playoffs. He pretty much got the team in the playoffs at like a 13 and something record. And then Foles comes in magical season. They win. Great. Boom. So one, now there's the whole Foles-Wentz conversation, which is stupid in my opinion, but whatever. Love you, Foles, in general. And then the next season, he's scrambling,

and he gets injured again on, I don't know if that was the Clowney one or if it was, yeah, he hurt his back on a different play. And then last season, he's scrambling again, and he gets hit from behind in the back of the head by Clowney. So he's getting these weird injuries because he's scrambling again and he gets hit from behind in the back of the head by Clowney. So he's getting these weird injuries because he's scrambling. So then I'm thinking the coaching staff or training staff or somebody is getting into his head about, hey, try not to do that unless you have to. And then he's trying not to scramble with a garbage depleted O-line. And then so now he's trying to change up his whole game style. So that's why he's running

around in the backfield for 20 freaking minutes and he gets sacked for 20 yards now he's trying to change up his whole game style. So that's why he's running around in the backfield for 20 freaking minutes. And he gets sacked for 20 yards because he's trying to make something happen. But he can't make it happen in the way that he normally would because he's being told not to do it. End rant. I like Wentz. I like Hurts. That doesn't mean I don't like Hurts, but I'm just saying. Okay.

The dude's got the yips from getting hurt too many times on those plays. And now it's just in his head. But I agree. He's going to be good on the Colts. The Colts had Phillip Rivers, who's... Yeah, they made playoffs with 98-year-old Phillip Rivers, man. That guy's got a noodle arm at this point. He's good.

He's just so average, though. And I think Wentz would be better than that, because like you said, way more mobile. He doesn't have a noodle arm. He could actually throw the ball. He's going to play under Frank Reich again, who was with the Eagles when he was there for his first two years and was very good under him.

So he has a coach that he loves, the coach that knows how to coach him. The running backs and the Colts are all very, very young and all insanely good. Their receiving core isn't incredible, but they're all very young. He played with the Eagles. He can handle garbage receivers.

It's a thousand times better than the Eagles. That's the thing. The Colts receivers at least can catch. The Colts receivers aren't like the downfield great. Like Michael Pittman, he's got great hands. They got a lot of guys that had West Coast catches and stuff, but they can catch the football. Yeah.

So I think he's going to be really freaking good. Injuries, again, he's had a bunch, but they've all been different than each other. So it's not like he's injury prone. It's like freak accidents. His one knee one, he was diving into the end zone and just got hit by two people at the same time on one leg. That's such a rare chance for that to happen

so he's gonna be really good the thing with this trade the earlier options that they had was what i hated more because they were trying to trade with the bears for nick foals and the bear they confirmed tart cohen tarikq Cohen. That was the rumor. I don't think that's confirmed confirmed, but that was everywhere. They're trying to get Nick Foles, Tariq Cohen in a pick. And it's like, you have Miles Sanders. He should play every single down. You don't need to pick up another quarterback again to just make Jalen Hurts be concerned about his position.

And then you get a third-round pick. You're getting nothing out of that. I don't think you guys understand the Eagles are a quarterback factory. That's how he Roseman would say. They just want to gobble up all of the quarterbacks that have any potential or not. And just, they're just going to pump them out. Like, that's just what it is.

You just don't understand. Cause you're not an Eagles fan. I think Jalen Hurts is really good and you need to build around them. Yes. If they do not use these picks for linemen, fire everyone in your organization. And and then dude they're not like just address something you need okay like even if it's not lying dude your guys defensive backs are disgusting they're so icky i a little fun fact too about this is they are, I looked at it today. I hope this is right.

We know we've been wrong with stats before. I think they need to shed like $40 million of a salary because they have 33 on Wentz for this year that they can't spend. Also, Deshaun Jackson's $5 million. So they. I think he's out now. I think they already said they're going to cut him. No, yeah, but he has dead cap also. Oh, shoot.

Okay. So $5 million worth. So I saw some articles today and it's talking about shedding Ertz, which writing's on the wall, we saw that. So trading him, whatever. Also like him. But then I saw Brandon Graham, which was one of our DN slash linebacker positions. So he's the end, but he would.

I think he filled in at linebacker occasionally like he played different positions. Anyway, you could pick to Rooks's point earlier. It it is hard to mess this up, and I know they will, because they have so many options to pick for draft picks. They have, like, what, four picks until I'm not mad for them not to mess up. If you want to get a receiver, okay. I can justify it. I can justify a receiver.

I can still do that. I would say linemen and offensive linemen. You guys have Alshon Jeffrey, man. Come on. Yeah, because he played the whole season. We need offensive linemen. We need secondary. And we need, I would say, linebacker position too.

Also, we do need receivers. I'm not saying that's the first need we need. But I at least can justify them getting a receiver at some point in the top four rounds. If Devontae Smith drops to four yeah yes absolutely if they don't pick drops if they don't yeah oh sorry six not four if he drops to six you have to if they overshoot davante smith they pick anyone else i'm mad but if davante smith is not there, pick a lineman. Yeah. In general, I do not mind the trade, but just with how the Eagles have picked since that Super Bowl year, these picks have been a lot.

There have been a lot of question marks. Brian, get my heated sound bites ready for the post-draft podcast. Yes. Because I'm just going to say, Brian, insert this rant here from three months ago. We'll look back. Honestly,

I was going to say, looking at this trade in a couple months, you'll see you traded Carson Wentz and no money for these couple picks. And you can see what you actually got back in return and if it was worth it or not. I'm not confident. I'm going to tell you right now. It's not going to be worth it. not i'm not confident i'm gonna tell you right now i'm gonna tell you right now it's not gonna be worth it two more quarterbacks man perfect yeah it's so it's so frustrating too because they do have a sixth overall pick and i could see them

fucking it up and trading two picks to move up to grab a different quarterback for no freaking reason. God help us all. The two moves they could do that are wrong. They can do anything else. Don't trade up for a quarterback. Don't get a fast receiver. Get a hands receiver. Those are my two picks. You just don't get it.

If you don't have speedy guys outside, inside, what do you have? Sure, they don't catch the ball, but whatever. They're fast. It's so frustrating. I'm not an Eagles fan at all. My favorite thing is just, it might have been, what, 2016, 2017? A 10-minute compilation video of receiver drops.

You know how many receiver drops you have to have in a season to have a 10 minute video it's insane yeah that's true and they still have a short place it's bad no i i feel your pain though freaking deontay johnson had the most drops in the league by like a long shot and it's so frustrating because when they have the ball they're talented but like they're dropping screens and slants and it's like two feet away and it's not like they're hard passes to catch. Like it's so dumb. Yeah.

The Steelers, that's another team with speed guys, man, James Washington, Deontay Johnson. Deontay Johnson's at least like shifty. He's not just a straight line runner though. Like he plays all over the field.

James Washington's kind of the deep ball guy. Yeah claypool like the high point guys he's he's more tall than he is fast playbook's another one though he's another like he every game he had like 100 yards was two catches for like 112 yards yeah he's a calvin john like, just big body, and he's quick. But he's not the, like, 5'9", 4'3", 140 kind of guy. Side note. He's got some kind of hands. Side note, just because I have to bring it up because he's the Eagles killer. Cole Beasley is, like, top five in, like, receiving percentage. Like, drop, like, non.

Man's nice. Would it be lowest drop? Yeah, highest catching percentage. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I believe it. God, Eagles killer. All, highest catching percentage. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I believe it. God, Eagles killer. All right, gals, boyos. We're going to start off with a new segment talking about some Marvel.

We're some closet nerds, some not-so-closet nerds. We got a new show going on on Disney Plus. It's called The WandaVision. Drop the the. Did I say The WandaVision? You said The WandaVision. I thought I said It's WandaVision. It's called WandaVision.

No, you said It's The WandaVision. All right, we'll play it back. We'll edit it out in post. Yeah, we'll edit it out. But it's called WandaVision. Much requested segment by Denise and Kristen and Jesse and everyone. Does Denise watch it? I don't know.

I think it's just Kristen and Jesse. To get into it, though, I mean, I think it is requested because I would say my thoughts on it are, and they seem to do this. Marvel seems to do this with like everything that they pump out is like, I mean, I didn't grow up reading the comics. I grew up knowing of the big comics and maybe like semi big superheroes in

Marvel. Yeah. And I don't know. I'm just like constantly impressed by how they tie everything in together. That's I think the key to everything. And I think with Wandaision it's it's shocking to me how like how they can catch you off guard with things that are going to matter so much in the future and set up so many big events with some i guess like i would consider like lower level like superheroes and I'll go back to like Guardians

of the Galaxy which I think was like a pivotal moment for Marvel in my opinion because it's the first time they're going with like non-brand name superheroes and I think Guardians was the same way that WandaVision is now where it's just I could see it going one of two ways which is like horribly wrong or like pretty freaking nuts and it's already i mean it was i'm gonna say like my only negative is like you have to get through like the the time sequence of like tv series and that's the only negative thing and i get the artsy factor of it but like that's barely a negative like that was just you got through it but there was a lot of key details in there that i think we'll double back on and be like holy crap like that was nuts yeah it's definitely like a high

concept type of show but they're so good at doing everything that they've nailed it and i don't think it's a negative at all because like you can only do the basic action movie superhero sci-fi thing so many times before it gets boring so you need to switch it up you need to change the format somehow so that's why yeah the first two dc needs to just make a okay movie to begin with they can't dc they need to just they just need to throw in the towel and start over man yeah fully agreed but so the first two episodes of them being like very much this is just a sitcom there was like one or two hints at things in the next episodes but like they are like fully ingrained in it absolutely loved it if you're gonna do a concept and you're gonna like do it right go balls deep and actually try to make it

happen don't just have it for like one episode of the whole series and try to make that like the theme they're just really good at slow playing it and they're so good at that yeah they keep you on the reel they pull you in a little bit let you back out they pull you back in a little bit so i love it so much i and i agree with you entirely that like you can you can't just keep doing the same formula we've gotten so much of this and not that not that i don't love all of it because i love all of it but we can't just get a typical oh wanda doing this wanda doing that it's like i love how episode one and two were fully dived in to this sitcom i'm sitting there the whole time just looking at rachel and what the fuck is happening i'm just like i am i'm

shook well and then they have like the little um like in the first episode where they're um they're at the table and the one person just keeps saying what are you doing or something like that and they just keep saying it over and over i was like wait what the fuck's happening but it's it it's one of those things that you remember like i remember watching that and being like oh this is about to take a turn. Like this ain't no sitcoms. They put those little moments in your mind where it's like, it's the slow play with like little Easter eggs

that are just like, they're the kings and queens of Easter eggs. It's awesome. So they're like, like Rooks, you're saying like episode one, episode two, it's like, like you're not sure, but they kept some things in there where you're like, that's weird. Like I know something else is going on. I hope they get to it. And then right

once you're like, kind of maybe on the edge of it and you're like, I, you know, you might be willing to like, turn away from it. They like do the whole episode where it's outside of Wanda vision and you get them. They answer all the questions you have while giving you more questions. And then that's why you stay. Yeah. Yeah. All the little hints they had, like the helicopter and the hedges that like sort of wasn't right timeframe. There's a dude that came out of the sewer who looked weird and then it never addressed

it, but it all comes back and they do hit on all those beats and it all makes sense. And it was all done super well. But like Rooks was saying in episode one or two it was like they're sitting at dinner and like the one dude starts choking or something and like the camera just the the aspect ratio of it changes and they stop filming it like a sitcom they start like actually like filming it like a normal tv show where they zoom in on their faces and like all those subtle like sort of subtle not subtle things happen to make it really freaking dramatic again and then they revert back to sitcom again and like ignore that it even happened yeah and little things like that are done so so good super inconsequential to the whole plot line of like what wandavision is and like how

you know it plays into marvel and everything just a like crazy example of those tiny details that they are like they're so meticulous and that's what makes them so good freaking the first time we see jimmy woo who was in ant-man and i saw this i saw this on some random tiktok video it was just him trying to learn how to do close-up magic from uh what's this ant-man doing it yeah and he was and like it was just he never got it he got a little bit better at by like ant-man too and then it's just like And he was, and like, it was just, he never got it. He got a little bit better by like Ant-Man 2. And then it's just like

the first thing you see with him, it's like, you don't need to put that in. Like no comic book nerd is going to come up and be like, he eventually learns up close, learns close up magic.

It's like, you don't have to do that, but you do it because you know the impact that it has for something so little. And they do that with all the huge, huge details,

which is obvious you need to, but then they do it ones it's so cool it's great what i love like the even something as simple as throwing in commercials throughout these commercials and from the jump i felt eerie watching it and then they're saying like the brand names for all of them sound familiar to me and i'm like what is this and then come to find out it's all like these different traumas that like wanda's experience and all like related to that and it's the detail that went into that is unreal it's so good yeah i didn't realize the commercials were like a more important plot point until like i started seeing it on reddit like four or five episodes in and each of the at the commercials at some point were related to each of the infinity stones yeah that's what i was and so then i started like looking more at those

trying to figure out which one each one was the latest one they said it's nexus or something which has to do with agatha in that whole realm of like magic and stuff and like i'm trying to avoid spoilers and not like read everything because obviously this is all sort of 80 based on the comics so i know the answers are out there and i don't want to know like i want to avoid spoilers but still dig into it so i'm i want to first catch up the listeners so if you're listening to this you should have watched episodes of wandavision from you know obviously the beginning up until they're on episode seven i believe right yeah so spoilers everyone yes so spoilers maybe we put that before we started talking about this but um so much yeah so we can we can put that in

post we'll put it in post so when we get when we get up to now it's episode seven i was gonna say brian to your point about like spoilers i don't want to you know put i because i don't look up things but i see fan theories so do you consider some fan theories as spoilers or like because i have one that's like not a spoiler but i'm curious your thoughts and it's again tying into the close-up marvel details that they could tie in later that i have no idea if it's related i kind of like theories i just don't like when they're like well like this is in the book and then like it's obviously no no so mine's not like it's in the book it's they played off of other movies and that's what they're going off of. Yeah, that I'm fine with. If it's off the comics, I don't like it because I think that's just a spoiler.

If it's theories based on what's happened in the movies or shows before, love it. So the one theory that I saw, which is pretty cool, and I don't know how it's going to tie in at all, but obviously Spider-Man 2 came out, and the timeline of that is after WandaVision, because I think it's, like, eight months after, and WandaVision's a couple weeks after, like, Endgame. Yeah. So, in the second Spider-Man with, whatever. Mysterio. Mysterio, thank you. He, one of the teachers on the. It's the third one, I think. Thank you. He, uh, one of the teachers on the,

it's the third one. I think, no, it's the second. One of the teachers, it's homecoming far from home. And then the third one's eventually going to come out, but this is the second one that's already out.

That came out. So the teacher, one of the two teachers on the field trip, that's taking care of the kids that are going like out in Europe or whatever with spider-man he keeps referencing witches and it's like haha that's a funny joke because it's like uh mysterio is like doing weird things and like it's witches he references witches like eight times in spider-man home in spider-man far from home is it the teacher that has the glasses who's from silicon valley no no it's the other one it's i think isn't his name uh like jb smooth in real life yeah yeah it's that teacher it's him the guy he plays i need to watch that again because that yeah easily like they absolutely

are setting that up if that's how it happens because the director of the third spider-man and dr strange too have said that they've been talking to the directors of wandavision to make sure that hey all of these flow together the storylines make sense marvel is so good so on top of this shit yeah so on top of this shit my biggest one thing that i and i want to look into it but i'm i'm like again i'm like burn where i I'm terrible with spoilers and stuff. Yeah. And I don't want anything. So Pietro gets recast by Evan Peters being Quicksilver. He's Quicksilver in the X-Men series right now. Correct.

The Fox X-Men, right? It's the Fox owned. Yeah. Yeah. I just need some. It's not an accident. That's not an accident i know it's not an accident so i need to know how this all connects and stuff what i think i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure scarlet scarlet which is connected she is in the x-men series a lot yes this and this

is where i'm like we're touching on things that i don't want to like I don't I'm not here to make people mad so I don't want to bring them up but there she does overlap with x-men a lot she is in the comics she's a mutant I originally I originally know of I didn't even know she was involved I little background I I read comics a lot when I was little but not like super in depth or like any anywhere near the knowledge that people have of this. But I knew of things, especially X-Men. X-Men was like my jam and Scarlet Witch. I only knew from X-Men.

So when she came into this universe or in like Avengers, and they were calling her Scarlet Witch, she was being referred to as Scarlet Witch. It fell me for a loop. Cause I was like, I had no idea she was involved in any of this shit. But I had never seen her before I knew her from X-Men

X-Men was my stuff dope the reveal with Quicksilver being the other character so good but I'm mad because I just forgot what Elizabeth Olsen's name was so I was like oh look up WandaVision cast

and it was like her and then Paul Bettany as Vision. And then it was freaking, what's his name? Evan Peters. Evan Peters as Quicksilver was the third name on Google. And I was like,

this is before the reveal too. I was like, well, this sucks. I was like, okay, so I guess he's at this. I just need to know how that shit connects. Like I need to know. Do you guys think

he is actually a character now? Or do you think he's going to die off, but they're still going to, like, introduce mutants? I think the latter. I'm not sold. I'm happy either way. I'm just shocked we got to this point, and I'm here to just ride the wave,

because it's also just okay i'll get back into yourself gather yourself no i'll just get back into the dc crap like it blows my mind that marvel can do this extremely well and i was more of a dc kid and dc cannot figure their crap out to the point where marvel's like back in what 2000 2000, like Spider-Man was the biggest thing. X-Men was big. And it's like those are the first super like big, big blockbuster superhero movies. And they're trying to figure out. We are now to the point where Marvel has destroyed it so much that they're like, you know, looking into the comics, there's a way to bring back everything else in that was done and it

connects it. And now when you go tell your children, you know, you have to watch these series because it's a crazy franchise. You're going to, you can't like, it's hard for me. It would be hard for me to tell somebody I was like in five years from now to tell somebody I was telling to watch these movies in like chronological order, release order, whatever you want to do. And skip those older movies. Whereas like before this year, I would have been like, yeah, you could probably skip them. Like they're not related. It's like they're just, they have the audacity to do it.

And think of just from the business side of it, how much more money they make. It's crazy to me. DC botched this so hard which time every time every well first off every time um after after christian bale batman just down the pooper and the reason why everyone loves avengers and all these movies and stuff we have have everyone's backstory. We know all of these people. We care about all these people. We know what they've been through. We know their families.

DC said, oh, they have like Infinity War and Endgame coming out. We're throwing the Justice League down. But like Superman's dead and you don't know any of the other characters. We're going to give them a 30-minute intro. And it's like I don't give a of the other characters. We're going to give them a 30 minute intro. And it's like, I don't give a shit about like, I know it's so hard. It's so much harder in that.

And I love, like I was into DC too when I was like younger and stuff. Like I love Batman, love Superman. It's so hard to have them all show up in this movie and work as a team off the jump without any, any back, any real deep backstory. I mean,

yes, we have like, like, cause Superman has some movies. So Brad had met a steel before. It's like the DC version of present day, like Marvel stuff is like man of steel, Batman versus Superman.

And then you have justice Lee. Well, you have wonder woman, but justice Lee came out before wonder woman. And then like suicide squads thrown in there. Like, but so justice, justice comes out, and then they start doing like the origin stuff. It sucks because I loved

Aquaman. I don't know if you guys saw Aquaman. I thought Aquaman was great. Aquaman and Wonder Woman, both really good. I thought Aquaman was dope. It's like, why wouldn't you just put this out before Justice League? Why wouldn't you just wait? But they were just so so money hungry and so like oh we need to do this because they're doing this it's insane yeah they're trying to play catch up

too much and trying to match their timeline and it just doesn't work because i love man of steel like it i'm a little dragon ball z nerd and it just reminded me of watching a dragon ball z episode because like they're like tossing each other around through buildings like the action was just done really really well where normally superman's like he's in these tights and he just kind of punches a guy and it's over and so i loved man of steel means cory saw water woman together it was great everyone loved that movie done super well i saw aquaman 2 freaking great they've done three really freaking good like origin story movies just keep doing that work at your own pace slowly bring them together because they have so many

good characters work with i watched so much justice lee like cartoon when i was a kid that like i loved all those characters i knew like no marvel things at all i knew every dc character and so like getting into marvel stuff was way slower for me other than like i liked iron man and i liked the like original hulk movie but during like the first avengers i wasn't like big into it at all i swear me and you saw the first hulk movie together in north carolina we saw there was the one with like it's like edward norton right yeah yeah yeah dude it was freaking good no it was good watch it again i think it holds up i don't i'm i'm pretty sure i'm i'm pretty sure i enjoyed it when we saw it and then i watched it after

marvel really started picking up i was like oh yeah i saw this let me i'm gonna give another shot and i was like this did not age well it it's still good i will defend that movie i loved it they have cut scenes in there too like marvel typically does that i didn't know about because i'll be honest, I watched it when it came out, which is early 2000s, maybe mid 2000s, and I had never seen it again,

because kind of like Rooks, I was like, eh, didn't really do much for me, it was fine, got my action fix, and then I kept going, and Iron Man is where I kind of go through, and I actually still have even skipped the Hulk,

but I've seen clips of the hulk and it seems like they did more i don't know if it was in post or whatever because it seems like they did do some things that connected it's just the only thing that doesn't connect is the actor that played hulk which is this sucks but if you can i mean who the hell knows maybe they're gonna do a multiverse thing and like that gets solved. Like I wouldn't be shocked. We're at the point where we've had four. We're on our way to our fifth different Batman, I think, in the last 20 years.

It's like Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale, Ben Affleck. Now, Michael Keaton. Come on, man. And Michael Keaton? Come on, man. And Michael Keaton's coming back, too. He's playing him again. I was referring to the past 20 years. Robert Pattinson? Did you say that? I said, yeah, Twilight Kid.

Of course you did. Thank God. No, but Brooks, you know Michael Keaton's playing Batman again, though. Yeah, I know he's going. Okay, okay. I was hoping you knew that. I'm saying he's past the past 20 years. Also, shout out Christian Bale, but also shout out Christopher Nolan. Like, if you have Christopher Nolan doing all of your movies for your DC comics, there's your money.

Like, pay that man whatever he wants. Yeah. Between the Spider-Man movies, some of the X-Men one, and then all of Chris Nolan's Batman movies. That's the reason all the like superhero stuff like jumpstarted. If he botched those Batman movies again, we wouldn't have Marvel the way it is right now. So. That was a kick in the butt to Marvel, man. Because those movies were. Those movies are the real deal and because they slow

played it like batman begins wasn't crazy it was good but then you get to the second one with dark night and you're like shit like you ever made why i remember seeing batman begins and being like i really freaking love this movie and when you watch it back now it's nothing compared to dark knight and like but that's it's still so good in its own right it's just they set the bar so high with that second one you do so much with that entry level getting to know the superhero his backstory his or her backstory and then it's you have so much more to play with in the second one like you can go balls the wall and you don't have the like people saying oh you rushed it it's like if you're mad about it go look at the other movie like you could have watched that for x amount of years before this one came out like y'all could have

literally checked tape like you could have you could have redone this formula and just you're just changing stories and superheroes but kept the same general outline and you would have been chilling so we should we should reel it back into wandavision a little bit that's fair that's fair a little tangent um but so i guess segue what are your guys's thoughts on again spoilers watch up until episode seven but um the whole agnes thing so my my question is we're all caught up right rucks you're coming yeah okay my question is do you think agnes is a villain or do you think she's trying to help wanda i think she's a villain no she's a villain she would be trying to help wanda at all i think if

wanda was the one doing the hex herself she's just kind of in a bad spot trying to help Wanda at all. I think if Wanda was the one doing the hex herself, she's just kind of in a bad spot trying to like help herself out. But there's no reason for Agnes to be doing what she's doing. Like what she's trying to like help Wanda get over Vision, but she's not at all. Like she's obviously stuck in there. And this is what I'll bring in and I'm not going to get into the comics unless there is another villain that is taking over control of Wanda. And she's like knows about it and is trying to be a neutral party and try.

Because like the things that she has done. Granted, I don't know freaking Pietro's whole business because he doesn't seem great after the whole cut scene of this last episode but like it seems like to me it seems like she could have been more evil and we're on there's two episodes left is there going to be a season two do we know i don't think so i think it just goes right into spider-man and dr strange okay because i don't know my thing is like i guess i guess they would have had to introduce the villain by now maybe but like i don't know they could be really slow playing it she doesn't seem she doesn't see that much like a villain to make me be like wow like i'm scared not that i'm scared of the villains but it's like damn she's super powerful and wild you know yeah i don't think

she's gonna be the villain of like the era this next whatever group of movies i just think she's super powerful and wild you know yeah i don't think she's gonna be the villain of like the era this next whatever group of movies i just think she's the villain of this one so far okay because she's not the big bad yet she's not thanos she's not some crazy universe destroyer but in this context yeah she has to be the bad guy and i think she's let's introduce like more magic stuff into the universe because there's scarlet witch you're segueing that into dr strange which is that kind of same world so i think the villain from this will segue into what the villain for dr strange i think the i think the line that agnes had was did you think you're the only witch is gonna be like that's the that's the hook into

the next few series maybe not like back to back because i don't know what falcon and winter soldier are gonna do like they don't have to do exactly this but they could tie back into this through a different storyline but like i think just knowing that yes we already knew dr strange we already know wanda like there's other mystical forces and that's the lesson learned out of wanda right now for sure the question i have so we keep bringing up pietro and like what you think he actually is so what's your theory on what's gonna happen with him like in my head at one point i was thinking he was someone from the outside being a plant from the military guy this is before the whole agnes reveal so at one point i thought

it was a military guy trying to like be on the inside and like control wanda to try to get vision out because the main goal of the military dude is to get vision's body back that's kind of what the real deal was on that side of the plot yeah so they want vision back but now it seems like it's just like a construct from agnes and it's just sort of like a made up like it's a spell or something so what do you guys think i think so i guess my thoughts one hilarious that the whole vision like revival whatever it was was called operation cataracts hilarious yeah also so my thought i guess is again she's a witch so then i i equate her to like dr strange with possibly being able to look into timelines in different different uh what's called universes and so i i don't understand i don't understand why she would do it but i do think that there's a connection there with pietro and like maybe like you would

think she would know like what pietro is from her universe but maybe because she couldn't bring back a dead pietro she would bring back a one from a different universe and that's how it would play in so i do think i think even just outside of the storyline i think it would be like a loss for them not to just include x-men characters from the universe because that's a huge money grabber in general go ahead ron yeah sorry i'll let brooks give his thoughts too but there's one thing i was talking to my buddy from work and he was saying he was talking to his friend on why they think it's this Pietro versus the other one. And it's this Pietro in the X-Men movies is from like the seventies. The movie he's in is the one where they go back in time and they're like,

oh, well this episode of the sitcom is in like the seventies or whatever era it was. So that's why this is why he looks like that. And I was like, oh, that makes so much much sense it might fall apart in the next episodes but that seemed awesome to me i think that that would be a really cool explanation but i think i don't know i'm like i think the only way it makes sense is multiverse right yeah yeah i think the only logical way that in her like someone in this town is this part it has to be multiverse yeah i don't know that's where the next movies seem to be heading if you've seen any of the

casting stuff for spider-man yeah where they've cast literally every previous but i'm i just want to play the sound clip play the sound clip you played before that's how i feel lord have mercy i'm about to bust thank you brian i literally agree if i see toby mcguire cry on screen i that's all i can ask for no no no i need another emo walk down the street. That's what I need. He needs to be dancing. I love Andrew Garfield, too. I'm excited that he's in the back. I really like the Andrew Garfield ones.

I love that they did Gwen Stacy instead of MJ. Like, I just... That's a fan. There was a rumor that Emma Stone will come back as Spider-like girl or Spider-woman or something. And I'm like... Don't get my hopes up I don't but Marvel keep doing what you're goddamn doing DC figure it the fuck out DC give up forever all right to play us out crap where's the bud there's the bud