I've Had It - A Gaytheist with Ginger Minj

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

Jennifer and Pumps are joined today by Drag Race all-star, Ginger Minj. These three have had it with the negativity toward drag in this country, modern skin care and crazy family members. Ginger opens up about their childhood and finding their confidence through the art of drag. Pumps has had with stupid questions during a movie and Jennifer has had it with the "Jet Bridge Hogs" at the airport. Come see I've Had It live on the Hot Sh*t Tour! More info & tickets available at https://linktr.ee/ivehaditpodcast and subscribe to I've Had It wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you to our sponsors: I've Had It is brought to you by Cologuard®. Are you 45 or older? Start screening for colon cancer with Cologuard, an effective and noninvasive screening option for adults 45 and older at average risk for colon cancer. Rx only. Learn more at Cologuard.com/hadit. L'Oreal: This episode of I’ve Had It is brought to you by the new L’Oreal Paris Bright Reveal Dark Spot Serum and Broad-Spectrum SPF 50 Daily Lotion. Dark Spots? Game Over! Discover the new Bright Reveal Dark Spot Duo! Visit Target online and in-store to buy yours today! Quince: Take the drama out of planning an outfit and upgrade your closet with Quince today! Go to Quince.com/hadit for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Bombas: Go to Bombas.com/HADIT and use code HADIT for twenty percent off your first purchase. SKIMS: Believe the hype - SKIMS has over 100,000 five star reviews for a reason The Cotton collection and more are available now at SKIMS.com Plus, get free shipping on orders over seventy five dollars! If you haven't yet, be sure to let them know we sent you! After you place your order, select "podcast" in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. Nutrafol: Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code HADIT. Subscribe to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/IveHadItPodcast Follow Us: I've Had It Podcast: @Ivehaditpodcast Jennifer Welch: @mizzwelch Angie "Pumps" Sullivan: @pumpspumpspumps Special Guest:  Ginger Minj: @gingerminj

This episode of I've Had It is brought to you by the new L'Oreal Paris Bright Reveal Dark Spot, Serum, and Broad Spectrum, SPF 50 Daily Locean. Dark Spot's Game Over. So we're supposed to start the podcast. One, two, three. How about that? I'm so excited about this. Let me read you the card, because it makes me feel really good. Okay, so let me describe to the listener what's going on here, since they can't see. A listener sent pumps a clapboard, which I take the liberty of writing Judge Judy Diana on it.

And I made myself the director, and I'm embracing my nickname of Jessica. That's right. Kiley down for all the other pertinent parts, but read the card pumps. It's so sweet. I mean, this is how professional my clap has become. Four pems, there are many of us who have thought you were using a clapboard

from Atlanta Myers Oklahoma native. How exciting is that? That is so thoughtful. And now, so thoughtful. Now you don't have to battle the dragons. I know. And a microphone and the earphones and all of the, I mean, it was just trench warfare with you trying to get that clap off. And now you have your very own clapboard. I was having to overcome geometry every time you were. But now I mean mean I feel very important with my clapboard. You are I look important You are important. You look important. You are

Basically the top podcaster in the country So it only seems appropriate that you have a professional clapboard. Yeah, I mean, I'm like professional now You are Professional clapper now with a clapboard. What have you had it with? Okay, what I've had it with is When you're watching a TV show or you're watching a movie with someone and you've both just seen it for the first time and The entire time they're asking you questions about what's going to happen? And I'm like, I don't fucking know. I just started watching it too. Why would I have more information than you have?

And it's constant, the constant questions. You don't do that to me. Like we don't sit around and watch a movie and you ask questions. You know why I don't do that? Why? Because I don't like stupid questions. Well, that's true.

But I mean, it's just, it's amazing. Does that ever, I'm sure Josh does it. I'm just about to say, think about who I live with. Right, it's worse at your house than mine. Yes. That is the most annoying. It's so annoying. My youngest child does that. My husband does that. And I'm like in the middle of something here's what irritates me really, really, really badly in the same genre of irritations. So I'm in my bed. I like to watch TV in my bed. Me too. And I'm watching some foreign film type thing. And I really have to read every single subtitle to stay engaged in the plot. Well, Josh likes to come in and start narrating my life, right? So I have to put my hand up. And then my remote control is on my smartphone. So I have to like pull up the remote, pause it.

And then he's like, oh, my mom is getting a remote out. Oh, my mom is getting irritated. So we're narrating the whole interruption. And he's like, what are you watching? How is it? What's it about? And I'm just like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, that's a really huge problem. What about people that talk during the movie? Oh, I can't stand people that talk during the movie. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, that's a really huge problem.

What about people that talk during the movie? Oh, I can't stand people that talk during the movie. At the theater. At the theater, or they get their phones out, and they're texting, it's like, bitch, you're not so important that you have to do texts during a two hour movie. I mean, you're just not that important.

Right. I mean, it's ridiculous. That also bugs the shadow of me in my exercise class when people text during the class. What? Yes. They'll have their phone and they'll get on an NB texting during the class and I'm just like,

girlfriend, you are not so special that you can't be detached from the world for one hour. I mean, it's annoying. Texting during exercise. Yeah. Now, I have responded to a text on my watch during exercise classes. So I am kind of part of the problem, but I never take my phone in there. When I exercise, I put on do not disturb.

You're always said silent. Is that do not disturb? Yes, I put on do not disturb because I use exercise as like active meditation, and I don't want any disturbance whatsoever during that period because what I'm doing is trying to get my heart rate as high as I possibly can so that I alleviates like generalized anxiety. Right. And so like the phone and alerts from the phone exacerbate generalized anxiety for me personally.

So when I'm exercising, I do not want one alert on my phone. No, I totally agree. And I also think it's like the one hour of the day that you can completely zone out. Like you're not thinking about everything else that's going on in your life. You're just focusing on what your body's trying to do because you know how uncoordinated I am.

Right. So I have to really pay attention to what I'm doing or I'll fall or something. Yeah, I would really be giving the evil eye to somebody if I was in an exercise class or on the pickleball court and somebody was using their phone. I mean, that would be an absolute disqualified, kicked out of the pickleball grid, citation written, pickleball citation issued immediately. You cannot do that shit full stop. Like that is no. It's a violation. So let me tell you what I've had it with. Okay. We've discussed so many facets of air travel that we have been remiss about an

egregious violation. And it may be one of the largest violations that happens at the airport. What is it? Jet, bridge, slow, center, walkers. 100,000 percent agree. So you've got one person. And they have their little tote, their little wily bag. And they walk at a snail's pace, dead center on the jet bridge, and then you start to get a traffic jam behind them. And then I'm always like me and during to the right, and then their bag kind of goes a little bit that way, and then I meander a little bit to the left.

And sure enough, they're walking like a fucking slow drunk person, and then they kind of go that way. So I wanted said for the permanent record, if you're a slow walker on a jet bridge, everybody wants the fuck out of the airport, the fuck right out of the airplane, it has not been a fun experience for anybody. You've got to stand to the right as far as you can.

I mean, I want your shoulder touching the side of that fucking jet bridge and you can walk as slow as you can. I mean, I want your shoulder touching the side of that thickened jet bridge. And you can walk as slow as you want to. You can pussy foot, you can lolly gag, you can dilly dally, you can take your sweet ass time. But I'm in a hurry. Right, I am in a major hurry to end the travel experience as quickly and expeditiously as I possibly can.

And I've had it with the slow jet bridge hawks. No, I totally agree. We just had this happen. And you and I are trying to pass on either side and they're kind of weaving and bouncing around. I would almost go as far as to say, like super old people can't be the first ones to exit the planes and people with little kids that are walking because they're always so slow and they hog the whole thing. I mean, I think we just make...

That's what I think we need to do more of. Pick on old people and kids more. I'm not picking on it. No, I fact. There was the slowest. Put them in a line, right? They're on the right. Line up.

So maybe we just say, if you're old or you have a kid, you hug the right shoulder of this jet bridge like no tomorrow I mean you hug that motherfucker as though your life depends upon it everybody else Can walk to the left now if you're old in a fast walker you can stand the light you can pass right but I mean I just Nobody there's all this bossing around it at airports You know at the TSA flight attendants are super bossy which I totally support yeah, envy that position and We need monitors on the jet bridge Totally it's a neglected area of the airport the jet bridge is completely

Neglected and you've got these lolly gag slow morons hogging and walking like they're drunk. It's almost makes you feel like they're fucking with you. I know, that's what I was gonna say. It almost makes you feel like when you're trying to pass in their weaving, it almost makes you feel like they're doing it on purpose. Like they're trying to block you from passing.

Maybe they are. Maybe they are. Maybe they are. Maybe they hear you in the back, like walk, walk, walk, walk, and they're like, no, I'm gonna block her, fuck her. I feel like a lot of anger when this happens to you. Yeah, I get irritated like, what the fuck are you doing? I do, I'm just like move, move to the side or move faster, like have a sense of awareness

that some of us want the fuck off the plane and out of the airport. No, I completely agree. Makes people crazy. I just, I can't imagine walking that slowly down the center of something and not having an awareness that people could possibly be behind me and want to walk at a faster pace. No, and it's always, it's not like it's, it's people like you're in my age or younger that are just dick and off. I've seen all ages.

Yes, I have seen all age. I don't want to demographically profile this because I've seen every imaginable person dumbass moron of all heights, weights, ethnicities, genders doing the jet bridge hog. The last couple I remember were kind of like, I mean, there was no reason for them to be walking, so I slept other than just a lollic gag central. Well, they're just selfish. Rude.

It's just, it's like, can you not clue in? And then I notice, like, I will like, I'm like, can you not clue in? And then I notice, like, I will, I will like, I'm like, I'm going around them. Oh yeah, I go around. And I go, and then there's, you can hear this audible. Right. And like, are you serious?

You're in an airport. You're gonna get past at least 1,000 times today. And now you're but hurt on the jet bridge when you're grandstanding and making everybody, they're trying to get that thing cleared out so they can clean the plane, load it with food, and you've got some lolly gagger on the jet bridge. And this has been wholly overlooked. We've done a million episodes about airplane travel.

And nobody has talked about the jet bridge abuse. No, they have not. Oh, I did remember, okay, when we were on the plane the last time I heard this guy ask the flight attendant. He said, well, my we were on the plane the last time, I heard this guy ask the flight attendant. He said, well, my seat's not next to my wife's. And she was like, because there was an aisle, so I guess there were like A and B and B was across the aisle. And she was like, well, sir, you're, you know, you're just across the thing. And he was like, well, I just thought I'd be next to my wife.

And in my head, I'm thinking, you can't be apart from the aisle. I mean, like, you're given the flight attendant of her, that's obnoxious. Here's the problem with that too. When you buy your ticket, you have a seating chart and you click the seats you want. So then to go and brow beat the flight attendant that had nothing to do with the booking

and the seat assignment. I mean, she had zero responsibility in that. And to air this grievance to the flight attendant is such bullshit. What a dick. What a dick. And I just thought you cannot sit across the aisle. I mean, you have to make a big deal about that.

Like, what a pain in the ass. How old was this guy? Old. I mean, he's probably in the 70s, which I'm like, you've probably been married for 100 fucking years. You can't get a heart on what's the big deal about being across the aisle. I mean, that was my thought.

You're probably good with biographies. Well, that's true. That has changed the game. Yeah. All right. Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie.

She's Judge Judy Diana, the sensation and podcasting around the globe. Kylie, what's going on? Okay, so I read a five star review this morning that I want to share with you. Okay. It's by Danny Daniel Ford and it's titled Thank Goodness. And it reads, dear mistress Jessica, I thank you for leading your disciple, Lumps, into her late late in life purpose as an absolute snatch master, which is a lesbian.

Okay, I was gonna ask what a snatch master was. I knew you were gonna. It really suits her now that she's off the rag. Thanks again, Professor Poot. That was sweet. The snatch master is good. I think it's just a slang term he used for since you would be eating snatch. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Snatch master. I think it's good for lesbians. Yeah, it is. Which, you know, all the corroborating evidence points one direction with you. I know, but I just, I don't have romantic feelings about women. I wish I did. I think my life would be better. Your subconscious says otherwise. That was a really sweet review. You are a snatch master. Judge Judy Diana, the snatch master.

That's it. Tune in every Tuesday and Thursday with Judge Judy Diana, the snatch master. I like it. It's catchy. It is catchy. Yeah, that's good. That should be the title of our spin-off podcast. Judge Judy Diana the snatch master weighs in on all of the hard-hitting issues facing America like jet bridge hogs. I like it. Okay, listeners. I like it. Okay, listeners. I want to just take a moment to say that we have a particular amount of downloads that we get every episode. And there's a big disparity in the amount of episodes that are downloaded in the amount of reviews we get on Apple, which means that a lot of you are lazy, inactive, passive listeners. And Judge Judy Diana would like for you

to go rate and subscribe to our podcast. That's right, because you are a snatch master. Nailed it, huh? So proud of her, she picked it right up. I picked it right up. I picked it right up. Okay, listen, you know, we like to be really salty. And so when we get a lot of feedback about people being mean about drag queens or about

our political views, we like to like quadruple down, just keep going down and just take the knife and just twist it, twist it. And so we have another drag queen on. I know and I absolutely love her. Pumps has been reading her book. Reddit. It's so good. She has a world renowned drag queen. Pumps is over there snatch mastering app for this one. Yep. Let's welcome Ginger Menge. This episode of I've Had It is brought to you by the new L'Oreal Paris Bright Revealed Dark Spot Serum and Broad Spectrum SPF Daily Locean.

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How are you? I am fantastic, how are you? We're great. I have to tell you just straight up. I fucking loved your book. I read it in like four hours. It was so good. It made me hungry, which I'm not happy about. That's good. No, she has just been sitting at her desk

just judiciously reading this book, like you wouldn't believe she is obsessed. It's so good. It's a great story. I love all the strong women in your background. It was really heartfelt and touching. Thank you. And I think that behind every like powerful drag queen, there's just an army of insanely powerful women who have led them there, you know? Right. I love that. I think that that's so true. I think, you know, it's interesting as a straight woman, some of the most

supportive and the people I feel the biggest bond to have been my gay friends from my youth, my late teens and early 20s, and how much they empowered me to embrace being a woman and wearing clothes and owning the clothes that I wear. And out of all of the friends that I've had, these gay friends, and you know, you are that scattered all over the United States that got the fuck out of Oklahoma, have been such inspirations to me being a much stronger, more confident woman.

Because when you approach woman head in your early 20s, you're just so insecure, at least I was. And I thought I was secure, but looking back on it, I was profoundly insured. So I'm glad to hear that that's been reciprocal because gay man have had such a major impact on my life. Well, I think it's kind of the same thing as a member of the LGBTQIA plus community.

You know, it's not until we get into our late teens, our early 20s, where we finally have the space and the freedom to explore that. And a lot of the time, it's like, well, where does the confidence come from? You have to try to pick out the strongest people in your life and then emulate that and try to fake it till you make it. I guess it's the best way to say you've got to like see what you think is confidence in other people and try to make that work for yourself. And at least that's how it was for me.

And I finally like sound myself out in the world on my own and went, I don't know how to do any of this. I don't know how to like survive in the world. So I just tried to emulate my mom and my grandmother and have that kind of strength that just kind of came from within from them and By God, I finally found it. I faked it for years and then I finally found it through draft. I love that well ginger This is enough of the positivity. That's where this train is gonna end all right. We feel good Rob Ross's boom ball. It's time to bitch.

It's time to do some World Stars shit talk and tell us what you've had it with. I haven't had it with a lot of things, particularly, most recently, I have had it with all of the negativity towards drag, which I feel is kind of a double-edged sword. There's the one half of it where I'm like, how dare you?

We have been around for centuries. We have been the ones at the forefront of a lot of these fights. You know, it was a drag queen who, through the first brick at Stonewall, it was drag queens who kind of rallied the community against AIDS and started all the fundraising and the awareness outreach for all of that.

There's always drag queens at the forefront of especially LGBTQA plus issues. And now you want to turn it all around and look to us and be like, you're wrong. And what you do is disgusting and filthy. And then on the other side of that, it's like, let's kind of a compliment that we've now made it become so mainstream that we're suddenly a threat after centuries of what we've been doing. So I had had it, honestly, with that, with the people that message me every single day going,

you're a sinner and you're gonna burn in hell. I'm like, okay, you read the Bible, you read the Bible, Vicki. You're gonna have to turn plastic fucking earrings with mixed fabrics on your body. You're just as much of a sinner as I am. Well, and you know what it is about people like that. They are so punitive and so cruel.

I'll never forget this. Pumps will remember this. We went on a girls trip to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and there was this gal, and she was a big Bible thumper. But of course, she was against, you know, healthcare for poor people. She was against gay people, and she gets kind of shnawkered. And she's like, so you don't go to church, Jennifer,

and I'm like, no, I don't, I'm an atheist. And she starts just screaming in my face, you're gonna go to hell. You're gonna burn in hell. And I was just like, God seems like your Christianity really gives you a sense of serenity. I mean, she was such a bitch.

She was such a tall, short-sighted bitch. I still cannot stand her to this day. I think what a phony fake person. And I see these hypocrites on display every single day. And I'm incapable of being friends with them. Well, and the worst part of it is, I don't have to be friends with them because I'm related to most of it.

That is the environment that I grew up in. And like the funniest thing was during COVID, during lockdown, my aunt Glenda Faye, and her name is Glenda Faye, not Glenda, so please do not call her Glenda. Or shall I have a meltdown? She was staying with us at our house and I was getting ready to go back to All Star Six.

So I was watching as much drag race as possible. We were watching UK season two. And this whole conversation pops up about non-binary and gender fluid and all that. And Glenda Fed goes, now what the hell does that mean? And before I could pipe up and say anything, because you know automatically like my hackles go up and I'm like, ready to attack. And my mom goes, well, you know, Glinda, it's kind of like Josh where he never, like some days he feels more masculine and some days he feels more feminine. And it's just kind of being able to express on the outside how you feel on the inside. That way, you know, you kind of give everybody clues as to how

you're particularly feeling that day. Broke it down for her in this way, and I'm just watching this going, this is my mother, my mother, that every time I tried to come out to her for a year, it would go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Okay, she had come around so far that she was fully like listening and understanding and my aunt, Linda just stares at her and goes, Oh, okay. And I'm like, so it's not that difficult for you people to grasp and understand like the concept is not that foreign. That's neat that your mom did that, especially after I read that. Yeah, I mean, she's come a long way. A very long way, which is why I was kind of like in the corner, you know, just clutching

my pearls. Yeah. Don't you think though, a lot of times when people are obsessively obsessed with something outside of their comfort zone, a lot of times it's to mask their own problems like you were saying in your family, like you've got the the dog the cousin that kidnaps kids the missing I mean a lot of times got just idle gossip and stuff is because you don't want to fix what's going on in your own house So you want to pick on other people, but I think this issue with LGBTQIA plus is far more insidious than that. Oh, no, I agree in the I think that this is rooted in religion

Yeah, and people getting indoctrinated in their religion and that life is very black and white, and life, there are only binary choices. And then out of all the things that they can pick on, they pick on sex, being a virgin till you're married, and the gaze. They try to prop up this one thing and be like, this is it, this is the target, this is what we're all mad at.

Meanwhile, everything over here in the corner up this one thing and be like, this is it, this is the target, this is what we're all mad at. Right. Meanwhile, everything over here in the corner has just gone shit and is getting worse. Yeah. Right. But nobody pays attention because they're too hyper focused on what the actual target is, which turns out to be nothing. Well, and I think I read somewhere. I don't know if this was in your emails to us or if it was an article when I was googling

that you talked about. And I think this is really interesting. Over at attacks on the LGBTQ community and covert attacks and there are both. Like the Republican Party in Texas recently put into their platform that homosexuals it was an abnormal lifestyle choice. And that is in the Republican Party platform. That is an overt attack in documents. And you still have people that probably live in

very urban areas that could sit in this conversation with us. They'll say, oh no, I'm a Texas Republican, but you know, Bobby over here does my hair and I've loved him for years. And you're just like, well, are you loving Bobby? Are you when you go vote and you vote for that type of hateful platform that says this is an abnormal lifestyle choice? Like, is that really where we are in 2023? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just like, you know, the, the people who have, like, had racism and grained in them from the time that they were little, they stopped and they'll look.

And like I literally went to school with girls that would look and be like, oh my God, he's so attractive for a black guy. Or he's one of the good ones. Or my ex that I was with for 11 years, he was African-American. And I'll never forget the first time he went home with me. I mean, we had our own issues, but aside from that, the first time I took him back to Leigh'sburg with me, there were literally people that were like, oh, don't even consider

yourself black around us. You're like a white person to us. And I was like, that is so offensive because you're immediately letting this person know that you're just meeting typically you're beneath me, but I'm going to overlook the fact that you happen to be a person of color and give you my white card for the day. And I feel like it happens a lot of the same way recently with people of the LGBTQIA plus community. It's like, oh, they're one of the good ones. Or, you know, Josh is a drag queen, but he's not one of those drag queens.

Like, there's no qualifying yet. You're just a person at the end of the day, and you should probably get to know that person before you start persecuting them for anything else about them. So, you know, like, trust me, crazy. No, it really is. It's really jarring to see how, in my lifetime,

I'm 49, how I saw gay rights, like for a civil rights movement, it went rapid speed. You had willing grace. And then all of a sudden it got in front of the Supreme Court and politicians started publicly supporting. I mean, very recently, in my adulthood, no, we stand for gay marriage.

And then the Supreme Court passes it. I remember Obama was president. They light up the White House with the rainbow flag lights on it. And I was just like, oh my god, this is amazing. This is so great. And then I just feel like like in the last three years or something, like I don't watch Fox News or really read right wing media, but it's starting to see about everywhere. And these people, they're so mad at like, I'm like, you really want to pick on a transgendered kid. Do you not think that kids have in a hard enough time

navigating school to have that can Vicki and Brenda at the school board screaming, pulling her hair out by the route? Does that make you feel good? Does it make you feel like a good Christian to pick on the transgendered kid? And it's just mind-boggling how these people of faith that should be fighting this fight are the persecutors.

They are the oppressors. And we live, I mean, you're from the South, you know, these type of people. We live around it. But here's the part where it gets covert is where you have people in polite society, you know, in the white suburbs or in the white, nice white neighborhoods that say racist things under their breath. And then they say things like, well, I want to make sure that my kids aren't getting indoctrinated at school with all this gender identity stuff. And they say these things. And that's the covert whispers that is getting to where this thing is catching on like a wildfire. Absolutely.

Well, and I even noticed it, like my sister has been a special education teacher for the last 25 years. She comes home just like sobbing in in tears because it's not quite, you know, covert anymore, especially in Florida, especially dealing with race issues. She was all the teachers gathered up in her school until you have to give us a list of every book that you own, whether it's in the school or not.

If it's in your possession, and we need to know what it is, then we're gonna tell you which one you can keep and which one you have to surrender. She's like, my sister's an added book reader. She's like my whole collection of books that I've had my entire life. I have to list everything and they said, yes, you have to. She's like, I'm not going to do it.

And then she's her curriculum that she's had for years and years about the civil rights movement. Rose Park, she's not allowed to talk about Rose Parks in school anymore. She can't teach these lessons because it might make a white child feel bad. That's the thing. I mean, people feeling uncomfortable about history. I don't understand that at all. You should feel uncomfortable if you don't want to learn about history and correct course. That's when you should feel bad. Not learning about what happened.

Exactly. Well, sometimes history is uncomfortable. It is. I mean, and that's where the lesson is. I think that is the biggest problem with white culture. And I think one thing, Pumps and I are trying to do with this podcast is laugh a lot and be petty. But also talk about uncomfortable things and

normalize Talking about uncomfortable things because as an adult you can walk in Chugam at the same fucking time If if our listeners can take one thing away from this it is if you're white and your head are a sexual You really started life on the 90 yard 90 yard line of the 100 yard dash and just try to step out of the indoctrinated world in which you were raised and have empathy for people's plight and what all they have to overcome because I didn't have to overcome being heterosexual and I didn't have to overcome being white. There were no obstacles put in my way for being a straight white woman, none. Well, and I also have to say like,

as bad as I have it and have gotten it during all of this, I am also a white man at the end of the day. So I don't even get it as bad as some of the other drag queens that I know. And I know about indoctrination because I wasn't indoctrinated by the church when I was growing up. I had the same exact things and everybody knew that I was different. My mother would call me artistic, which was just southern slang for flaming homosexual.

And my dad would grab me by the nape of my hair when we would walk into church and he'd go sit in the corner, twiddling your thumbs and don't say anything, because if you embarrass me, I'm going to walk your ass. And so my entire existence outside of my bedroom was just sitting down very quietly, not saying anything, being careful and mindful of the way that I walked. If somebody asked me a question, I'd have to make sure I wasn't listening too much when I answered them. Like it became very, I mean, it was abuse,

it was control, it was all of these things, but it also became incredibly false for me. So it felt like every time I had, like a communication with anybody who wasn't my immediate family, it was pretend it was a play, it was an act. It's just super overwhelming sometimes to try to reconcile the way that I was raised and those things that were literally beat into me every day with who

I am and what I've become. All of this pressure is put on the LGBTQIA plus community or the black and brown community. All this pressure is put on them to be a certain way and to be quote unquote fixed. And I think we need to flip the script. Those of us that have deeper thoughts and see these issues as being gray and not black and white. We need to flip the script and say, your church needs to be fixed. You need to fix that.

You need to quit teaching this to kids. You need to quit packaging up hate and putting Jesus on the cover of it and then letting people truck that out and feel justified and treating people like shit and making them feel like they're less than you. And I think that we, those of us that get this, need to put the pressure back on them

and say, you need to clean your house because what you're teaching is hate and bigotry, but wrapping it up is just like that girl told me, oh, you're going to hell. I mean, she's so mad that I was an atheist. And it's like, that's your big fucking problem. That's your takeaway in life.

And that's the one time I experienced. I can't imagine as a gay person what you experienced from the religious right. Yeah. Imagine being a gaitiest. You just check all the boxes and hey, and you know, I've used the religion against them as well. And I was like, just by your own logical thinking, reading the same books that you have read that you are quoting from right now, going by that book, you're the person that Jesus would not approve of. Exactly.

Because he never judged anybody. He hung out with the sex workers and the brown people and everybody that was different. Right. Yes, Jesus also would have been a brown person. Right. Right. So all of these things that you hate about everybody else are exactly what this figure that you have put all of your faith and trust and pixie just in is.

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I love it. Me too, which is why I have like three recipes for it in the book. There's three different ways to prepare it. And to say, I've been over in Europe for the last two and a half weeks, and I'm here for three and a half more until I start the book tour. And there's no iced tea at all. two and a half weeks and I three and a half more until

the book tour and there's no iced tea at all. I can't even get a regular iced tea and put sugar in it because it's all hot tea over here. I don't want tea. I want coffee and they only got iced coffee at the store. I'm like, oh my

God. It's such culture shop to me and I love it here but I really want some sweet tea. Okay, had it or hit it, thin skinned people. Oh, had it. Had it. Nothing works. I had it. No, there's not.

I mean, on the actual physical side, they're always too cold or too hot. I have had it with that. And then outside of that, it's just, you're so concerned about what other people think of you that you forget to realize what you think about yourself. You don't even think about yourself and how you're being viewed or what energy

you're putting out into the world. Like just focus on you and be happy with that. And all of a sudden, you're gonna be radiating fucking sunshine and rainbows to the point where everybody else is gonna be attracted to that. Right. You know, I always think that what other people think about me is none of my business

and Pumps fills the same way. So we get a lot of hate comments and we kind of chuckle when we read them. But at the end of the day, I'm like, even though that's about me, it's really none of my business. I just, I really don't think it's my business. I'm like, just go off, do what you want to do.

But and it takes a while for the listeners who feel like they're sensitive, or thin skin, start faking it until you make it. Because liberating yourself from getting bad hurt is the best thing about getting older. I mean, bad hurt. Liber best thing about getting older. Absolutely. But the liberation is total serenity. Absolutely is.

And it takes a while to get there. Right. I think that that's also why you see, like, particularly in the drag race fandom, most of the really hateful stuff. I mean, of course, a lot of it now comes from extreme conservative Christian viewers, but viewers, I'm gonna say viewers, but people who attached themselves to the cause. But inside the fandom, it's all like 12, 13 year old kids

who this is so real for them. They view the whole world through their phone now. And they watch these shows like Drag Race and they think it's happening live in the moment and that they understand the whole story and they don't, they're only getting little bits and pieces of it and it becomes very real for them so they become very attached and then lash out online and all of a sudden it's not just, I don't like that you did this. It's, you're the worst thing that's ever lived and you should throw yourself up of a building

and then revive yourself and do it again. And 10 years ago when I did my first season, you know, I used to read all that stuff and not realize the context of it myself, but get so invested, not in the fact that they've made me feel bad about myself, but they've made me feel bad that they feel bad. You know, I'm like, oh, I've caused you to feel some kind of pain or whatever, and I used to get so wrapped up in that.

And then RuPaul is the one that was like, get off the phone, stop reading the comments. And she says it all the time, unless they are paying your bills, you don't pay them bitches any mind. That is such a pain. That's a shame, advice. Yeah, and I was like,

I literally, we were filming AJ and the queen for Netflix and I put my phone number up quick. And I was like, I wasn't reading comments. She said, bitch, I stood behind you for five minutes watching you scroll and watching you scowl. Put the phone down and stop reading the comments. So you just have to agree. Yeah. Okay. Had it or hit it skin care? Oh, I'm kind of in the middle because on one hand, it's like, I want to hit it. And I want to get like the best skin care possible because I do take really good care

of my skin. But I also want to, I've also had it because there's so many products that I'm given. I mean, they just give them to me and they want me to try them out and talk about them. And none of them do what they say they're going to do, you know, they just give them to me and they want me to try them out and talk about them. And none of them do what they say they're gonna do, you know, they don't protect, they don't blur the lines as much as they should, or I end up being allergic to it in some way or another. And it feels like we have the technology and the know-how to produce some things

that are really fantastic for skin care. But we also tend to just throw a whole bunch of shit. We don't need mixed in with the whole bunch of perfumes, but it make you package and then start hurting our skin more and more and more because the things we're putting on it. So I don't know. I'm kind of in between on that one. Yeah.

I'm kind of with you on that. Like I want to be like super vigilant about my skin and I take care of it, but then sometimes I'm like, oh, it's just so overwhelming. And there's so much stuff on the market, and sometimes I'm like, God, I don't even feel like washing my face, but I do it. But it becomes this other task that you have to do

with all of these experts and all of these know-it-alls and all of these recommendations. And it's just like, put a sock in it. I'm gonna scrub it, put some lotion on it, and know it all recommendations. And it's like, put a sock in it. I'm put some lotion on it. Call it a day. I used this one that somebody had given me. I don't remember what it was. Um, but

it was like an overnight face cream. It was a whole system. Then you rinsed off and you put on the toner. And I did the whole thing over the summer while I was doing my residency in Providence town. And that night in the show, yes, it was a hot night, but I had never had this happen before. My makeup literally lifted off the face. And I looked like a melting candle where the

strips of sweat were, it was just strips of the thick makeup. So I looked like my whole face was melting off, and it was that product that I used. And then I sat down and I realized by after doing a little bit of research on what was in it, I was like, this is not helping my skin at all. It's literally putting a wax coating on my face. All right, had it or hit it,

rushing the holidays before their scheduled allotment time. Oh, hit it. I love it. Oh my god, it would be Christmas in my house to 1,47 if I could get away with it. Because I love the lights. I love the tree. I love like the ritual of setting up for Christmas. I love everything about the music and the TV shows. I don't know. It just makes me feel warm and fuzzy and happy. You know, that's so funny because I'm not religious at all either. And I love Christmas. And my mother's not religious at all. But she loves Christmas as well. And

I remember probably about 15 or 20 years ago. She calls me and she's like, hey, I'm planning Easter lunch. And I think we're gonna meet here at this time. And I can't remember what I was doing that Sunday, but I knew that my kids were really little. I didn't wanna have to get them dressed. I was like, mom, I don't think I'm gonna come.

She says, you're missing Easter brunch. I said, mom, we're not even Christian. And she goes, well, Jennifer, I celebrate all the pagan holidays. So, I'm not gonna be. Ginger, I cannot thank you enough for joining us and for sharing with us your experience as a person

and how therapeutic and rewarding the art form of drag has been to you and to other people in the community you've built in that and sharing that with us and with our listeners is an absolute privilege for us. Thank you so much. It's been my privilege and pleasure. I thank you both for your time. Great meeting you. Thank you. I'm intrigued. It is. And I think it's so important to give voices to people who were, you know,

made fun of when there were little kids because of their sexuality or maybe they're a male that appeared to be effeminate. And then a lot of these people have to then get further abused from their family members. Right. And it takes, it's a process. And I just think the more we can talk about and normalize and platform these voices, maybe there are some listeners that can realize that they are the problem. Right. And I particularly, I really enjoyed the book. I have to say it was great. I might give it to some people I know that just as a recipe book.

See if they'll read it. I would give it to the people and say, I know you're a homophob. And I want to give it to you. But there's some great recipes in here. Yes. I think it's a great guess. That's a great racket. Yes, I think that's great.

Well, listener, please go give us five stars and subscribe to our podcast, send us a voice memo on Instagram. We have a documentary club on Patreon. Do all the stuff you're supposed to do, Pumps Tellum. We will see you next Tuesday or Thursday or best. I'm gonna play what I've had it with. But, sure, I'm gonna have it with that.