I've Had It - Basket of Deplorables

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

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So are we supposed to start the podcast? Ready? One, two, three. Oh, what's going on over there? One, two, three. Much better. I mean, it's all right. Sometimes third time's the charm.

Sometimes. All right. Your vape's already dropping. I mean, you're already a catastrophe. I'm falling apart at the seams. Listen, patriots, gay triots, they triots, black triots, brown triots. Fuck off! Welcome to America's top DEI podcast pumps. What have you had it with?

Okay, what I've had it with is all this AI and just infiltrating my life. Sure, that's rather confusing for you. It's very confusing. I didn't know when you're talking about your order with a company and they say, do you want to chat? And I'm like, oh yeah, I thought I got a representative. I thought I was talking to a person. In fact, I was talking to an AI bot.

So my kids are making fun of me because I'm like worried about my grammar punctuation. I asked him how to spell a word is how I alerted him to it. I was like, hey, how do you spell such, such, such? They're like, who are you texting? And I was like, oh, I'm texting with the, you know, customer service representative from blah, blah company. And they're like, mom, it's AI. I was like, what? It's not a person?

They're like, no. And then Kylie shows me a video the other day. I go through the whole thing. I have no idea. It's AI. So I feel like I am just I'm at ground zero of AI is going to screw with my head big time. And I'm not even going to know it. Yeah, I would imagine at your advanced stage, it's going to be quite the minefield. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. It sure is. It sure is. I was watching these AI videos that people made of dogs

doing a diving competition. And so they have this. It's like a Doberman. He goes up to the diving board and jumps and then does all the flips and then like perfectly splashes in. And then there's like a Chihuahua and then like an English Bulldog. All the different breeds. And then I sent it to my kids and they sent me back.

They have cats doing it. And so now like I realize how many people around the world right now are sitting here watching none of this is even real. And I probably sat and watched these diving videos for five, 10 minutes that I'm never going to get back. But here's what I'm going to say. I really quite enjoyed it. Kind of liked it. I did. I was into it. It was better than reading about the United States of America. Right. The demise of democracy. Yeah, it was. All right. Let me tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with convicted

felon President Taco Tits signing his lie social posts. Thank you for your attention to this matter. It's so moronic. Thank you. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I just want just shut the fuck up. Don't thank us for anything. I mean, I wish that he could shut the fuck up. But then I think if he shut the fuck up, would we all be freaking out? Because it would be like, what is he doing? What's going on? Yeah. I mean, what's happening that he's not melting down somewhere. Here's the thing. What I've had it with in that same vein is that we're, I mean, the United States of America is now conducting both internal domestic policy

and national policy, global policy on true social. That is just- Lie social. A lie social. I mean, it's the biggest scam. The only reason it exists is because he incited a violent insurrection at the Capitol and was banned from other social media platforms. But he is conducting all of his policy on that site and people act like it's normal. This is one of, here's something else I've had it with. I've had it with when you enter,

if you're watching something on YouTube or something on mainstream media, and they go into conflict unfolding in Iran and Israel, and the president has big decisions to make, that we're not leading with. The president couldn't pronounce cryptologist and keeps giving up national security secrets on Lysocial and he has the nuclear codes.

And now it appears that Iran knows how, I mean, Israel knows how compromised he is and is dog walking him into a war. And so this kind of stuff where they just give him the affirmative action of sanity based on the job title, that drives me nuts. I mean, it drives me insane because the biggest story all day, every day, above the fold should be this man is spiraling, mentally spiraling. And he has been for like nine, ten years right before our very eyes. But it's as bad as it's ever been.

Well, I think that's something that they should preface everything about Donald Trump in all affairs is Donald Trump is a malignant narcissist, therefore unable to think outside of himself about anything or care about anything but himself. So he's over in the Middle East accepting a gift from Qatar because that's what he wants and he doesn't give a fuck about how it affects anybody else, especially the American people. The problem is, like, if you start saying malignant narcissist to the American public, a lot of people don't know what that means. And as we've previously covered on other podcasts, there's been a lot of abuse of using the word narcissist to describe people's behavior when

they're not really narcissist. So that's, that's kind of, you know, prime to where when you hear somebody's a narcissist, you're like, whatever, everybody's a narcissist. Everybody's an everybody's ex is a narcissist. But he truly is one. But I mean, I wonder how, like, I know the cult is still 100% in. But I wonder how like just middle Americans, but like when they see him speaking and stuff, do they still think? Yeah. He's crushing it. I mean, your parents are MAGA. Do they still support him? Yeah, but I think that they don't. Well, we wouldn't have had a conversation about him. I don't think they see it. Fox News edits when he gets applause, edits his comments

to make him look sane. So the average Fox News viewer has no idea what abject failure, disaster, unhinged moron he is. They just don't see it because Fox cherry picks what they put together, or they just flat ass edited it. Yeah. Edit it so that he sounds somewhat rational. I mean, as best they can, but I don't think you're, I don't think they see it. I just don't even think there's exposure to it.

I think even the stuff that they would have to see, in my opinion, even something that has been kind of cherry picked, the stuff that he speaks to, his goals and ambitions as president are so morally depraved that they like it. They like the deportations. They like seeing when they hear that ISIS at Home Depot is rounding up people. And let's just face it, Home Depot isn't some hotbed of convicted felons hanging out. You've got people that work on job sites that are there getting supplies to go work. And so I think a lot of these people are just so propagandized their whole entire lives to racism, that when he speaks about deporting people that are brown skinned, it's their love language. It is. They like it. Yeah. All right.

Welcome. I've had it. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie the HBIC. That's the head beaver in charge. That stands for beaver. It stands for beaver. Kylie. Hello. What's going on on the internet? Got a couple of reviews for you. OK.

The first one is five stars titled Someone Called David Attenborough. And they write, I tune in every Tuesday and Thursday with breath that is baited, hoping beyond all hope that we received the latest update on Pump's journey towards lesbianism. I don't think people realize just how exciting that is. The full process of the emergence of a late in life, in this case, late late late in life lesbian, has never before been documented on film. This is cinematic history in the making. All that's missing is the voiceover from David Attenborough. That's probably the best idea I've heard in quite some time. Absolutely. I mean, for it to be narrated by David Attenborough, it

would just be, you know, it would be like at first she assumed she was a hetero and then she formed, crawled on the long bridge known as the asexual one. The precursor. Wait, how do you say that? I'm not good at a British accent. Well, it's the same language. I know, but with the accent. Well, I'm not either. So like the precursor to lesbianism, always being asexual. Yeah. What do you think about that, Kylie? I think I love it. I also hadn't thought about how we have probably documented what almost three years now of this journey.

And so we really could put something beautiful together when we figure out what's at the end of this. I think we could be at like the Cannes Film Festival. I agree. With this. With the most, I mean, if my sex life is a movie, we're going on three years of absolutely fucking nothing happening. I think you're selling yourself short. I mean, you would have supporting cast members, the Sagin Dragons.

I mean, America's Greatest Legal Mind, America's Talk DEI podcast. I mean, I think you're selling yourself short, Pumps. There's a lot of interviews I'd want to do too. I'd want to get that married man on there. We get him on camera. There's a lot of people we could pull into this. I agree. The married man is someone I would like to interview. I think that's a really... A little question and answer. Yeah. I think that would be a really good addition to it.

To the lineup? Yeah. And a guest spot. Okay. And then what's next, Kylie? Okay, the next one is five stars titled Bright Spot in My Week. And they write, I look forward to listening to you ladies every week. I'm a liberal raised by radical liberals that for some dumb reason moved to a red state. You're a bright spot in my day. And while I have to live by flat earthers and MAGA idiots, I have the ability to turn you ladies on and listen to some very intelligent conversations. I relate to that so very much

because I'm a liberal atheist and my parents are liberal atheists and I had to live in this red state and it's just such a regressive space at times. And the conversations that I've had to have are throughout my childhood and a lot of my adulthood is just defending reason, right, defending critical thinking because a lot of my peers, you know, when I was in high school, thought the earth was 5,000 years old. And so it's really, red states can be so regressive. And it seems to me like they're getting all the more regressive. And everybody knows I blame the megachurch culture for making it

even worse because most societies as human beings, you dive into art, all sorts of art, film, literature, you know, art galleries, etc. But in red states, the culture becomes the megachurch. And in an evangelical Christianity, it is a multilevel marketing thing where they feel this disgusting desire to have to recruit everybody to be on their team. By design, it's incredibly toxic and codependent to go to somebody who you kind of casually know and start asking them questions about their worldviews on existentialism and assuming that you know what's better for them than what they know. Like if you went and sat in front of a therapist

and you said, I'm dating this guy and he thinks that I should dye my hair black and that I'm gonna have a better afterlife if I dye my hair black and that this is not the right hair color for me, the hairstylist would, I mean, the therapist would look at you and say, he's

controlling and codependent and that's incredibly toxic. But when it comes to religion, these recruiters of evangelical Christianity are toxic, codependent, nosy, like complete boundary violators, but they do it with impunity because there's this notion in, particularly in the Bible belt, that you cannot criticize somebody's faith. And I'm like, they're the they're the fuckers that bring it up all the time. So once they bring it up, it's game on for me. I'm like, you think the earth is 5000 years old? And you think you have a better life plan for me than I do? You're a moron. Let's fucking go. Let's go. You forgot about the other cultural phenomenon in red states, guns.

Oh yeah. Yeah, that's the thing for our, I know we have a lot of international viewers, but the most Jesusy people also have the most guns. 100% of the time. And I'm just going to tell you this as a rule of thumb for any of you that ever decide you want to be adventurous and go on an American safari, you could go to a red state and the people who speak the most about their faith and the people who are the nosiest about your faith, 100% of the time are the most fucked up people you will ever meet in your life. The most morally depraved, the most hypocritical, the most flawed.

Every time. It has always rung out that way for me. I've never met somebody who's loud about their faith that wasn't equally as fucked up. Ever. I never have. We should start a travel agency. The American Safari. The Bible Belt. We could be the tour guides. Right. And this dump truck. Today we're going to go to this exotic cult called Life Church. The preacher has a private plane, 25 kids and a stylist.

I think he has like something like 30 life churches now. Like 30. I mean, if that isn't a grift business model set up, but you know what? I guarantee you some of our like European listeners right now would find it fascinating because it is like literally like going back in time. People that deny science, deny facts, and then believe in magical thinking. Like I was always so shocked when I was younger and people told me they believed in spiritual warfare. I thought that was kind of weird, but you're still kind of attached to fairy tales being right, you know, in your sology. Right. Yeah. So I, but

as an adult, when I had an adult tell me that, oh yeah, yeah, I had this one friend and she goes, oh yeah, I mean, spiritual warfare is very real. Like at all times there's like demons fighting over here and angels fighting over here and they're fighting over you to make the right decision. And I remember just thinking, this bitch is fucking crazy. Like that is so insane. And what a paranoid way to live. Yeah, grow up and grow up. Yeah.

All right, Kylie, do we have anything else or is it time for the news? It's time for the news. Okay. All right. This is this segues perfectly into what we were just talking about. Okay. The Journal of Research and Personality did a study. Who believes in conspiracy theories? A meta analysis on personality correlates. On average, people who believe in pseudoscience suffer from paranoia or schizotypy are narcissistic or religious slash spiritual and have relatively low cognitive ability are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. Okay. I've been saying this forever, and I just like it when we find the science that correlates,

because I think that religion sets the psychological soil for people to believe in outlandish conspiracy theories. And I think it further sets the psychological soil for people to fall prey to authoritarian thinking. Because if you are super religious, God is an authoritarian in your life. He controls everything and you're told that your entire life. He knows what you're going to be, what you're going to do, he has a plan for you, blah, blah. So then you fall prey to this authoritarian style thinking,

especially if your form of Christianity was very Old Testament, you know, hellfire brimstone type stuff, then it makes perfect sense that if you grew up your whole life worshiping this authoritarian imaginary friend, that you could easily, like Trump would be familiar to you, one guy fixing it all, only one guy knowing how to do everything, and he's also kind of a dick.

Right. You know? And he says what everybody's thinking. I mean, he's just the most rude, bullying. You know, this is, I'm glad to see this because I really do sit around and think, I just had no idea like that that many people were into conspiracy theories. But they are, I mean, I think they've always been like that. They've just all found each other on the internet. Yeah, I think that they found, I mean,

I think you have a lot of broken people. I mean, I browbeat on this a lot, but at the core of it is a lot of these people were religiously abused, spiritually abused as children, you know, and they're damaged. They're very damaged from this religious indoctrination. And then they arrive at adulthood broken from that abuse. And probably their parents were kind of fucked up too.

Probably an eye for an eye, you know, spanking their kids and caught their, I remember I dated this guy in high school, poor guy. And his dad was a former like Southern Baptist preacher, so his parents were real strict. His mom caught him masturbating a few times in high school, and she just browbeat the shit out of me. And he felt so much shame, and he felt so terrible about it that it was the devil and it was Satan. And I just don't think people outside of the Bible Belt realize how much in the culture this stuff is.

Right. The purity culture, how it is so, it's everywhere, folded into every fiber of the culture. It is just, it is a real, people lead with this. And the Republican Party has tied itself to this because the easiest people to manipulate are the religious fanatics. And so the Republican Party has been able to manipulate them so that the people at the top can garner more wealth and privilege. And I think you just have a lot of damaged people.

It's my hope that someday in the Bible Belt, you know, like deep programming, uh, uh, therapy centers pop up for people to go deconstruct their faith and deal with the abuse they dealt with from this religion and their parents enforcing it and cramming down their throats. Because once these people get to adulthood, it's, they either have two choices they can continue it and do the same to their kids, or it all falls apart and you only have this one life. And wouldn't it be great to have a place where people could go deconstruct their faith and maybe that deconstruction, they're still spiritual. It's so ingrained into them to have some form of prayer or daily meditation that that's something they don't want to give up. But I'm sure everybody's deconstruction would look differently. But

I can tell you this, I've never met truly, I've never met met like an evangelical Christian that I thought, God, that person has their shit together. I just it's never happened. I can't think of one and I'm surrounded by them. Have you? I don't know. Probably I was inside for too long for it to hit me like it hits you. To be like a radar ping. Yeah. I think the more distance you get from it, you'll see it. Okay. Next up, Fox News has some groundbreaking reporting. White men are walking around on eggshells at work, afraid to speak freely. Almost two in three 18 to 29 year old white men are too afraid to voice their opinions at work for fear of being fired, according to a poll. Millions of guys facing

discrimination or hostility walking around on eggshells too anxious or scared to speak out. According to the poll, 43 percent of white men spanning all age groups say they are self-censoring their speech at work and an additional 25 million men claim they've not been given jobs or promotions because of being white men. My blood is boiling right now. My heart rate just went up a million percent. So you can't say the R word. You can't say sexist remarks at work. You can't slap your assistant on the ass. Poor fucking you. You were passed over for jobs because of your race and your skin color.

Shut the fuck up. You have had the affirmative action of being white and male since the beginning of time. So quit crying, you little baby. Look inward and say, what can I do better instead of worrying about how you can't say ugly things about other people, you racist fuck. Well, and I do think that this is a direct aftermath of Trump being in the spotlight for 10 years. Right. He is a nonstop whining, crying, titty baby victim, and he's perpetually in that state.

And so 18 to 29 year olds, so let's say an 18 year old in this two and three, 18 year old from eight years old, Trump's been either president or when Biden was president, he dominated the headlines and now he's president again. 29 year old, so from your whole adult life when you start talking about politics, this is the consequence of Trumpism on men and everybody's trying to figure out in this country, oh my God, white men are suffering, white men are suffering. And polling shows that, you know, Gen Z, our kids' generation, they're more isolated, they don't have as much human connection, but white boys seem to be really, really having the,

getting the brunt of this. And I think, I want to see the research where we tackle that these kids, these 18 to 29 year olds, two and three, did they grow up in a MAGA home? Right, with Fox on? Because I guarantee fucking to you, we will be correct yet again. I've been saying this for a long time.

When I started seeing like young people, in my mind, the MAGA person was a Fox News watcher. That was before I really realized about the, you know, the right-wing echo chamber and I started seeing younger kids in the hyper masculine bullshit. I'm really scared because like you said- Well, it's the barstoolization of the youth because it is a real, there's so many different MAGA-coded places for misogyny. And some of them aren't hyper-political, but you know, there is this bro-jock culture

and it goes from Barstool, Joe Rogan, all the way to the Tate brothers. But all of that is misogynistic and ultimately damaging to males because it always makes them feel angry, horny, and that somehow women are the enemy. Right, well, that they're not excelling because women are, or they're not excelling because black people are.

I mean, it's just like, look inward. Make changes within yourself to get better. Well, and then to those young moms sitting at home right now and young dads sitting at home listening to us, there's the nature of males, but there's also the nurture. And if you choose to breed, it's really, really difficult being a parent, but that is where the nurture comes in. And you have to be just vigilantly protective of the people that you raise and what they defend and

what they stand for. And you know MAGA likes to talk a lot about family values but this is truly family values. Teach your kids what your values are and monitor what they're engaged in while they're still under your roof. Otherwise the internet is this big, dark, scary space. Somebody else is going to raise them and somebody else is going to impact them. And it's, you know, it's sad. It's really, really sad what's happening to everybody in their silos. And then some people, because of neglect, get raised by Andrew Tate. Right. You know, think he's great. Yeah.

Pumps and I need to share with everybody that we have written a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of shit sandwiches. And believe it or not, pumps and I have not always been so rock solid. And we talk about all of our trials, tribulations, most of all our fuck-ups. Yes, because fuck-ups are relatable and a part of the human experience. I have gotten so much feedback regarding the book that because of my situation with the religion and addiction and all that, that people relate to that. So I do think there's something to take away that's comforting about it because we've all been in very difficult situations.

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They're also backed by a 100% money-back guarantee. So basically, you are trying it risk free. Right now, you can get 40% off with your subscription at earthbreeze.com slash had it. That's earthbreeze.com slash had it. We are so excited to have a guest on I've had it, who I feel like kind of grew up with. I've known her forever. I think she's just meeting us for the first time today. But it is Dr. Chelsea Clinton. She is an author and advocate and vice chair of the Clinton Foundation. Chelsea Clinton, welcome to I've Had It. How are you? How am I? I'm many things. That's my answer these days. I'm many things. My children are great. They're so fun. My middle one just turned nine. My daughter is 10. Our youngest is five. They're awesome. And I'm just straddled about the

world. So like many things every day. You know, I think nine and 10 are like the honeymoon stages of parenting because you're over the temper tantrums and there's a little bit of autonomy, meaning they can open the car door, climb in, fasten their seatbelt, do all of the things that you just have to do for them, but they don't have hormones yet. So it's like this real magic time where I remember I have two sons when they were around probably like seven to 11 ish. I'm like, Oh, this is it. This is the jam right here. It's not toddlers because toddlers,

it's like living with an alcoholic, you know, they bite you, they throw up on you, then they kiss you. It's just completely psychotic. But then seven to 11, I think was the honeymoon period. I don't know if I would think my five year old is is psychotic, but he does seem to have like, you know, understandably no sense of boundaries, right? So like, sometimes I'll wake up in the middle of the night, he's just standing there staring at me. Oh, my gosh. Not a ghost. Jasper. Like, are you okay? He's like, Yes. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like waiting for you. Oh, like, how long have you been here? He's like, Yes. I'm like, What are you doing? He's like waiting for you. Oh, like, how long have you been here? He's like, I don't know. You know, and then I'll

check the camera later. And sometimes it's like he's been there for two minutes. And sometimes it's been there for two hours. I realized for us, like the big point about autonomy was when our children, and this is not true of our little one yet, we're strong enough to open the refrigerator door. Yes, right. When they could open the refrigerator door, and it like take out milk, and then they could, you know, pour milk onto their refrigerator door and they like take out milk and then they could, you know, pour milk onto their cereal or when my daughter

knows like definitely old enough to be able to like make herself or her brother's eggs. Like, it's the kitchen, I think, where I really feel like, oh, like there's something about your physical size and ability to move in space. And the connection between like your brain and your body that like shows like you're becoming a real person. You can somewhat take care of themselves. Well, so do you have your kid? I remember as a mother, I have three and little kids were not, I wasn't great with little kids. I liked them every year as they got older.

But summer was a hard time because you were camp, it was, you know, Camp Angie, what are we going to do today? Having to fill their lives with activities. So do you have a big summer schedule planned or do they go to camps or day school? Yeah, they go to lots of day camps. My husband's one of 11. And so I know that is the inevitable reaction. The eyebrows go up. He's not Mormon, is he?

No, Blend did family, but he's the 10th of 11. So he has no memory of kind of anything but this extraordinarily wonderful, large cacophony of life. And so a lot of our summers in a wonderful way are ensuring that our kids can see their cousins. I'm an only child. And my mother-in-law has has 23 grandkids. So it's just like a totally different dynamic and one that is not like part of why I fell in love with my husband are so grateful that he's my partner and all including in parenting. But I do

think it's been a real gift for our kids to know that for my parents, since I'm an only child, their only grandchildren, like, my parents want to know everything for my parents, since I'm an only child, they're only grandchildren, like my parents want to know everything about every aspect of their lives at all time and show up to like every play and every concert and like are so enthusiastic. And sometimes my children are like, oh my God, like pop up, you don't have to like clap that loudly

or grandma, this isn't that special. And for my mother-in-law, she's like, okay, I think I can be at like the 12th out of 15 things that are on the family calendar because I'm already committed to like all the other kids who like were in queue first. So yeah. That's kind of a cool experience for your kids though to have that on both sides. I mean, totally. Yeah, it's kind of the best of both worlds. Do they, do your kids have any idea how famous their grandparents are?

Not my five-year-old really, I don't think. I mean, he could tell you, like, oh, my pop pop was president or my grandma was secretary of state, but I don't think he really understands that. It's abstract. Also, he wants to be a rock star, so he's way more interested. That's not impressive. Yeah, exactly. It's not impressive. Like he's way more interested in learning about, like the musicians that he's already gravitating to. Well, we I love hearing about your kids. I think that's really cool. But we have to get on to the petty grievances, Chelsea. So

I have to I'm in I'm into this. I'm here to talk about my grievances, large and small, that may be widely shared or specific just to me. I'm ready. Okay. So what have you had it with? Oh my gosh. Well, on a personal basis, this is, I feel both guilty, but also know I'm not alone. Like my husband never puts his clothes in the dirty laundry basket just next to the dirty laundry basket. And I will say when we first moved in together, I remember having this conversation with my mom and my mom was like, okay, so much about like a partnership. And like ultimately, if this is where you and Mark and mark my joss of marriage is understanding like what is worth

like the tension and the hashing it out, even if you never successfully like get to a better place and what you just have to acknowledge like this person is never going to change. And so it is a grievance that I have carried in my heart for like the 20 years we've been together. Also, have like decided on an almost daily basis that it doesn't like raise the level of like, do I really need this man who is like so wonderful and good and responsible and like 18,000 other ways to be like changed in this one way? Or am I going to like suffocate my feminist heart in like

one small breath every morning and evening and just like put the clothes in the laundry basket myself? Because to his credit, he will do the laundry. It just never like gets into the basket of his own volition and agency. I call these problems normal people problems. So my husband suffered from addiction and he's in recovery. And so we had these big, massive, chaotic problems. And when I was in the throes of those, I would tell pumps all the time, I'd go, I just want normal people problems. I want to be pissed that he didn't put the coffee cup in the dishwasher. So maybe my gift to you is sometimes petty grievances in put into perspective, although it's still irritating because everything's relative, but you can remind yourself,

this is a normal people problem. He's not a meth. Totally. I mean, you know what? I have to say, that wasn't what I woke up thinking would be in my like discipline of gratitude. My grandmother, my mom's mom had this like deep kind of sense of like every day we have to be disciplined to be grateful. Like we cannot take all that we have been given by God, by circumstance, even through dent of our own choices for granted. We have to be consciously grateful every day.

And I can honestly say I've never consciously been grateful that my husband wasn't on meth. You know what? Today, today. I have to defend my husband. Today's the day. His drug of choice was not meth listener. It was opiates that millions of Americans succumb to.

But that is a way to look at it because so many families do suffer from the horrible, horrible addiction that is exacerbated by the for-profit healthcare system and pharmaceutical companies lying to the public, much like tobacco companies did, and endangering us all. And that brings us to some of your other grievances. I think you have some things you want to talk about the anti science influencers.

Oh man, like that's a real grievance. That's a grievance. I feel not just like twice a day, but like every moment of every day. I mean, I absolutely would always like say to anyone, you need to ask whatever questions you feel like you need to have answered of any like authority figure in your life, whether that's, you know, a teacher, a coach, you know, a nurse or a doctor. We are living though, in this moment, that really feels to me like those like holiday in commercials, you know, like the pilot is a plane or like the surgeon and the ORV. I can fly this plane or I can perform heart surgery. I slept in a holiday in Lesley.

And that's really what I feel like we're living in where people are like, oh, like, I know what I should or shouldn't eat. Like, this is just what I woke up feeling was right. Or you know what? Like vaccines may have saved hundreds of millions of people's lives over like the last century. But you know what? It doesn't feel right to me. And I think that's super dangerous. The sense that somehow everyone

has a right to our own truth insofar as we get to determine how we do feel about what has happened in our lives and what we've experienced in our lives has somehow got conflated with and then therefore experts and expertise don't matter and don't have any kind of greater claim to tell us what their training and their research and their experience, in this instance, treating and supporting and caring for often, like tens of thousands of patients could mean. And that really does, like, it doesn't only like drive me nuts, it really worries me. It worries me as a parent, given we have, you know,

at least on the day where we're speaking, like more than 1,200 measles cases in our country, it worries me as a parent and as a citizen that the Trump administration has kind of put into place a vaccine advisory committee that has effectively no experience in a vaccine or immunization or virology kind of research. It worries me that we fired all the National Cancer Institute advisory panel.

It worries me that like RFK Jr. Like I'm also all I'm also all about like getting rid of the red and yellow food diet. Like, yes. And like, you know, think that it's really important that we have people with deep experience in nutritional science making nutritional guidelines and not someone who has no experience in doing that research at work. What amazes me about this whole thing is the hubris that these people have that will look you straight in the face and say, well, I just don't know what's in a vaccine. And I'm just like, are you kidding?

There are people that have been studying this for years and years, decades upon decades, and you think you know more? Yeah. Do you know what fibers are in a seatbelt? No. They don't know. And I think what's so concerning about this is when you study authoritarian regimes, one

of the first things is the dismantling of expertise, the minimizing. The discrediting of expertise. Yes. And minimizing them. And you see that that didn't just start with Trump. These things start slowly and they start creeping in. And then now I feel like Trump is like all of America's worst impulses in one person. Like everything that was bad about us has manifested into this one person.

And then he has the personality cult that goes along with it. And I think that what's so breathtaking about this movement is a lot of it started decades ago with the pro-life movement, the anti-abortion movement. And as it's gained steam, they end up being very anti-life. I mean, just the appointment and the Senate confirming somebody as severely unqualified as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is so antithetical to promoting life. You mentioned the removal of cancer research, and I read an article recently

that a lot of our top scientists are getting job offers in China and in Europe, and they're out the door. Yes, if you were to look at like Nature magazine or Science magazine, because I did this truly yesterday, again, partly in preparation of this conversation to validate that this is still true. If you look at kind of our most prestigious preeminent, at least again, as considered by experts who I trust with their expertise,

scientific journals, all of the job postings now are from outside the United States, all of them, at least like, you know, on the first page, if you look, and we are like depreciating our present and our future, which I don't think we've ever had in American history, where actively we are disinvesting in what has helped make America great, imperfect, but great, and what could help us become greater in the future. And it's breathtaking to see, and it's not only in health, we're disinvesting in energy, in agriculture, in defense, in all of the arena where America's been a real leader and that we've been able to commercialize that leadership into numerous companies that

have helped make us a wealthier and more prosperous and more sustainable country. Let me ask you something because I think about this sometimes. So you see that the Trump administration is already starting to normalize. We're in the normalization phase of this authoritarian takeover where you see a U.S. senator cuffed and brought to the ground, and you're seeing arrests of public figures. It is a big fantasy for people in the MAGA base that your mother be arrested. And I always think sometimes if they kept going with this and they declared martial law, do your parents, and this again would fall into the, oh, they're being hysterical

white women. But I think about it because I know that the right wing hate is very real. When we're featured on Fox News, we get just a brunt as I'm sure what your family gets all the time. And do you ever, do they ever fear if he completely takes this over that your parents would be arrested or like a Barack Obama would be arrested because at the core of that movement, their core identity as far as I can tell, because they change policy position on whatever Trump does, but the core thing that always keeps them alive is owning the libs and hating the Democrats or the radical leftists or whatever. Does that ever concern you? Well, I think your kind of diagnosis and description is right.

I think that the core kind of cast of villains of my mom, President Obama, George Soros, I mean, there are others who kind of are put into the kind of leaderboard of like, who is animating and at least in that kind of, I think, kind of MAGA movement, justifying whatever their grievances are, kind of on any issue, you know, for me, like as as a daughter, as a proud daughter of my parents, I both have always worried about them and, and always had to ensure that that worry didn't become claustrophobic. I mean, when I was a kid in Arkansas in the 1980s,

like the Klan tried to move into Arkansas. And I remember my dad going within a bipartisan group of Arkansas state legislatures and faith leaders to basically say to the Klan, like, state legislatures and faith leaders to basically say to the Klan, like, you're not welcome here. Or I remember my parents being burned in effigy, like when I was a kid in Arkansas in the 80s. And then again, like when my dad was running for president, I remember my mom went speaking at an event and a man came and was sitting in the front row and he assembled an assault weapon, like right in front of her as a means to intimidate her. And this was all probably before I was 13 or 14. And then, in the first Trump administration, there were bombs sent to my parents and to the Obamas and to George Soros and to other and to the Obamas and to George Soros and to other people who the bomber thought were kind of standing in line to impede and obstruct and prevent Trump from leading and effectuating

his agenda. So I don't remember a time in my life really where my parents weren't under quite violent threat from the people who did not believe that all Americans should have health care, all Americans should have equal rights or that it should be easier to vote if you're an American citizen or in combating climate change or kind of whatever or in gun violence prevention and the assault weapons ban, like whatever it was that people were kind of protesting or whether it was they were kind of angered by the whole agenda and kind of set of principles that my parents have stood and fought for their whole lives. Like there's always been a shimmer of violence. I think what is different now is we have a president who is comfortable sharing space with some people who traffic in the most horrific anti-Semitic narrative

and the most horrific anti-woman narrative who couldn't bring himself to immediately condemn the attacks. There's one example on Paul Pelosi, the former speaker of the House. And yet we see when there are assassination attempts against President Trump, everyone across the political spectrum condemns them immediately because there is no place for violence in a democracy. It is just that for me personally, this feels familiar to me, because I've always lived under the understanding that there was violence directed toward and

kind of in the shadows around my parents, it's just deeply painful to me that that now seems to be true. You know, for many elected officials, Republican and Democratic alike. And I would hope that President Trump, regardless of all the other ways that I look to continue to oppose him, can bring himself to use the platform of the presidency and his pulpit to make a clear case that there's no place for this in America and that this should actually not only be a bipartisan but a nonpartisan issue. We're not there yet, but I hope he can bring himself to do that.

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And I am like, oh my God, these people, I mean, the messages we receive are just horrific. And it's only happened a couple of times. I can't imagine, you know, your entire life. And, you know, I think now fondly, because I think we're all experiencing this kind of shared grief right now of watching our country die in front

of us a little bit. Institutions start to drop. And I think fondly of like, you know, President Clinton or President Obama could have been on and I could have been like, I kind of want to watch something else. Right. And change the channel because I wasn't worried that they were going to say something completely crazy that was going to kill people because at the end of the day, presidents shouldn't be this entertaining. And I'm not saying this is good entertainment. I'm just saying it gets you fixed to it because you know how dangerous it is. You know, I, I,

this is also part of the authoritarian playbook, right? I'm sorry to interrupt, but just like this is, you know, part and parcel of exactly what you were saying earlier, right? Of the use of entertainment to seduce people on the way to purgatory or hell is a well researched part of history around the world in different cultures and different eras of kind of the even the self mockery, which Trump is also you know, brilliant at of making it seem as if like with his remember his rallies were kind of he would dance on stage for like 45 minutes and not say anything. And I think a lot of

people are like, what is this what is happening? But it is like it makes him like the centrifugal force of attention and whether you're there to kind of castigate him for not speaking about policy or there to kind of laugh at him or you're there to laugh with him. Right? Like it all means like he's just continuing to draw your attention. And it's the like, you know, the Pied Piper. And I have to say, my mother was right. She called every bit of it in 2016. I mean, every bit of it and then Kamala the same. And

it just I know that we all experienced this as three women. The, the pain that you feel that the misogyny still exists so much in this country that people would rather vote for that buffoon than a much more qualified, much more intelligent, much more competent leader with a resume of your mother or Kamala Harris. It's just devastating. It's such a devastating reality. I want to play our game with you. It's called Had It or Hit It.

Oh my God. Welcome to Had It or Hit It. I would hit it. Had it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Had it or hit it gender reveal parties. Oh, I had it.

I had it. Okay, so listen to this. We did an episode that I did. Oh no, are you going to tell me now you had like a really wonderful party and I'm going to like shrink inside myself a little bit but I'm still still had it but like I'm going to feel guilty. No, we've had it but we just some a listener sent us this article. Now, there are something called the

grandmother showers where grandmother. Yes, grandmothers that are yes grand great mothers that are. What? Yes, grandmothers that are first time grandmothers. Their other grandmother friends are throwing showers for them. So I'm sorry if you're listening. Mom, I'm sorry. It never occurred to me that you need a shower. It's like let me have their moment. Let your daughter have the moment.

Let the baby just be about them, not about you. I'm so tired of it. OK. Had it or hit it horoscopes? Oh, you know, I don't have an opinion. Can I choose like Xer? I've never read my horoscope, but Don't be a centrist, Chelsea. I gotta be here because I have friends who are really like, it's an important part of their lives. They read their horoscopes. It like clarifies, I think for them how they're thinking about. I have a friend who told me the other day that she now

has a shaman. Really? I was like, okay, whatever works for you. Right? Like if that is what you like, I know, you know, I didn't quite fall down the rabbit hole yet. I mean, I know somebody else who has six different, oh, gosh, what are they called the psychics, six different psychics for different parts of her life. And then kind of like whatever helps you think about what you think the right thing to do is professionally personally. I'm not going to judge that. That's so healthy. That's such a good answer, Chelsea. You're so healthy. This is what I have an 18 year old son who's like, he's like sometimes more mature than me. And he'll say something I go, well, look at you with a mature reasoned response. Yeah.

It's not me. Okay. Had it or hit it. This one's going to be kind of hard. Ivanka Trump. Oh, um, I, I plead the fifth a little bit on that. Like I have enormous, um, affection for all of the time that we were together in New York, and also kind of deep horror for what I think, you know, she helped enable as by definition, anyone did in the first Trump administration. So I don't believe the fit so much as

I guess this is like one of those moments like where I tell my children many things are true. Right? Right. Many things are true. I have like enormous. Yeah, I have enormous affection. I'm really sad that she was part of the Trump administration the first time. Really believe that she's trying to lead her own separate and distinct life now and many things are true. Yeah, yeah, I get that. Okay, again, well measured. She's so mature. You're so much more emotionally healthy than we are, Chelsea. So much. You have really good parents. I do. I do. I do. Even though I didn't throw my mom

like a grandmother shower. Hopefully they know how much I love them. I would think that your mother would have had it with a grandmother shower. I would have too. I would think that- Oh yeah. You know one of the things I really respect about my mom that I really have tried to also like internalize and I now really do talk to my kids about it's it's really important in life to know what's about you and not about you yes right like like what are the moments that are about you and like what are the moments that are not about you like when are you actually like the main character and when are you not most of the time you're not. Yeah, yeah. That's a great point. It's a really good point.

Okay, last one. Had it or hit it the United States of America? Oh no, hit it. I'm not giving up on our country. Come on, I love our country. Like all these people who are like, where, you know, all this really like, where are you thinking about? What are you thinking about?

I'm like, no, no. It's United States of America. This is my country. I'm a proud citizen. We have lived through darker times. We just have to not be coerced or kind of inertiaed into cynicism that nothing can change. No, things can always be better. Things will be better. I agree. I feel like, you know, when we were growing up, you would see the anti-Vietnam protests and you would see the civil rights marches. And this is our moment. This is our, all of us that are living in this country right now, this is our moment. Yes, we cannot give up.

We have to march. We have to stay engaged. We have to build a fact. I wore my shirt for you all. Yes. Vote, vote, all. Yes. Vote, vote, vote. In every election, right? School board, city council, mayor, attorney general, like your state legislatures, like your governor.

People really think so much about the president. And that's understandable. The president has a lot of authority over a lot in our country. However, every elected office influences something that we all care about. So we have to show up and vote every time we can. I agree. We're, we're both very good voters. Super voters. Me too. Yeah. If you get a sticker or a t-shirt made, I would buy one. That's a great one. Yeah. Yeah. I keep on my little, I voted. Or stickers. Yeah, little stickers. Yeah.

Do you have future voter stickers in Oklahoma? It's like that is awesome in New York. We have future voter stickers. So when I take my kids to vote, they get the future voter stickers. And I think it sounds small, but it's actually like a profound way for them to feel like, oh, I am participating in the only way that I can right now. Like I get to go with my mom or my dad to vote. But then when I'm 18, like I'll get to register and I can vote too. And then I get the grownup sticker to graduate.

Super majority Republican governments aren't super into voting. No, they prefer you don't vote. We don't have the future. Yeah, they do not have that. But on a personal note, we were both here during the Oklahoma City bombing. We both lived here. And your dad was so amazing. He was president during that time and he was so amazing and came to Oklahoma. I just saw him on, I can't remember.

He came back and spoke at the anniversary a couple months ago. And the Daily Show he was on and he said he was cheering for the Oklahoma City Thunder, which just won the championship. I know. Yes So that, yes. Well, congratulations. That was amazing to watch. My kids are super big basketball fans. Also, none of them made it to the end of the game because it was late. Right. We tried and I even was like, all right. And I'm generally quite militant about that time. I was like, no, this is special to game seven. Like nobody really knows who's going to win. They were rooting also for the Oklahoma City Thunder and Middle East

partly because the Pacers beat the Knicks and were New York fans. But also because of their pop off because their pop off was like so clear about supporting Oklahoma City like all the way through. And they were excited when they woke up the next morning and I could tell them that the Thunder won. Yes, I love that. Chelsea, I just think you're so cool. And I think it's so cool that you came on here to talk to us. And I think it's so important that we all stay engaged. And we all talk about this shared experience that we're going through. But we all push each

other to stay engaged, to build a fact based ecosystem that shares ideas. We support women and members of the LGBTQ plus community. And most importantly right now, the immigrant community that is so being harshly targeted and that we stand up and in solidarity with all of them. So I can't thank you enough for coming on. I think you're cool.

Will you ask your mom if she'll come on the pod? We've emailed her a couple of times. Yes, I will ask her. She's ghosted on? A couple times. Yes, I will. Sure, it's not personal. I'm sure it's obviously yes, I will ask her. I will totally ask her. And thank you so much for having me. This was so much fun. We talked about so much. I mean, like super small grievances and like very big existential ones. And I just enjoyed this so much. Thank you. I hope you'll invite me back to you sometime. We will. Absolutely. Thank you

so much. Thank you so much. Take care. Uh huh. You too. Bye bye. You know, that's so wild because I just remember like when we were growing up, her dad was in the White House and she was growing up in the White House. They had that cat socks. Do you remember socks? I remember socks. I kind of forgotten about and then the dog Buddy. Yeah, Buddy. Buddy and socks and Chelsea. You know, they just lived, you know, that's that wouldn't that just be so wild because we all, as you grow up as an American, you have this image of the White House

and the president and their life. She lived in the White House and then she has these, not just one parent that's like a powerhouse politician, but two, both of them. I have to say she's really smart. That's what she's got. Smart genes from both of them. She got the smart genes for both of them. It's so well spoken. The vocabulary off the chart.

Just off the chart and. Very advanced word choice and sentence structure. Measured, tempered. All the things that I long for that I will never be. All the things that we're not. All the things that we're not. I mean. But I mean, be. All the things that we're not. All the things that we're not. I mean, But I mean, her dad was a Rhodes scholar.

And then Hillary Clinton, We could argue she's smarter than he is. There's a huge argument that we could make that she's, and so I think Chelsea got both of their smart genes. She got both of them. And she got their very measured, very, you know, here's the deal. Only child living in the White House, that would fucking suck. I'm just going to say it.

It would be hard. It would be really, really hard. And she is just exemplary in every way. PhD, writes children's books, mama three, taking her kids to vote in the city count. You know, it's like really worse than in Oklahoma City. He forgot guest on I've had it. Her pinnacle in life. It's now been reached.

It's going to be down here be downhill from here, Chelsea. All right. Thank you for joining us today. That was super cool. Pumps, tell them. We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday. I'm at it with that. served with a side of petty grievances. We are on all the available platforms, Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever. You can get your podcasts and YouTube.

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