I've Had It - Bible Thump Dump Truck

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

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So are we supposed to start the podcast? Ready? One, two, three. Patriots, gay triots, they triots, black triots. Fuck off! Welcome to America's top DEI podcast. Before we get into our petty grievances, we have a book that we wrote co-authored together and it's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit

Sandwiches and as you can see here it says Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan. I couldn't do that reverse with the camera to see that, but nonetheless, it is, Angie and I kind of feel like it's a manifesto. Yeah. Y'all, our listener, know how nutty we are. My son read it, my oldest son, and he quite enjoyed it. Really? He thought it was fantastic.

And so I think our listener would really like the book. Pumps and I have been friends for like 20, over 20 plus years. And so it goes way back. Way, way back to the very beginning. Pumps, what have you had it with? Okay, what I've had it with, and it's just, it's making me insane, is that everyone is acting

like the separation of church and state does not exist. You've got Pete Hegseth having prayer breakfast with right-wing evangelicals. You've got our state superintendent trying to get public money to pay for private school. The Supreme Court stopped it, but that's where we're trending. I'm so sick of it. I'm so tired of everybody acting like that Christianity is the foundation of the U government instead of the fact that the reason the United States even exists is to get away from religious restraints and that we're founded on freedom from religion and government.

And I just feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone. You know, it's, you know, everybody knows how I feel about these mega churches and evangelical Christianity in particular. And the damage that mega church culture, which is this prosperity gospel, and evangelical Christianity has done to a large portion of the population is generational, it's cascading, it's insidious, it's horrible. And the whole evangelical model, the prosperity gospel, you have these people that go to these mega churches and tithe because the pastor tells them that's what Jesus wants them to do and that they will then be favored by God and they will receive blessings.

I remember I had this nut girl that worked for me a long time ago, total Bible thumper, I mean like off the rails. She had like three or four kids and she and her husband didn't have that much money at all. And she only worked for me part time and I paid her well. But she said to me one day that, you know, they were scraping up the money together to tithe. And I had given her like a bonus because I just closed out a big interior design job. And it wasn't a whole lot of money. It was a few hundred dollars. I said, hey, you know, you really did great coming in extra to help me get this closed out. I'm going to give you a little extra cash. And she then said, you know, my husband and I scraped together

enough money to tithe. And they went to some whacked out evangelical watered down mega church where the pastor benefits the most from all of this. And I knew that by scraping together the money to tithe it, then God would reward me and that's what's happening right here. And I remember just thinking, had you not tithed, I still would have given you this. Right. Either way, I was giving you the bonus. you were an atheist if you were a Jew if you were Islam if you were a Satanist you were still gonna get this bonus like it has zero Zero to do with the fact that your megachurch pastors ripping you off selling you this bill of goods But who else does this?

Maggot the entire thing is a grift and a ripoff. And nobody really wants to address the megachurch evangelical problem in the United States because they are such victims. Oh my God, Christians are being persecuted. And it's like if you're a part of an organization where you deem criticism as persecution, by definition you're in a cult. It's just the way it is. We get criticized all the time. The Democratic We get criticized all the time. The Democratic Party gets criticized all the time. But if you notice, if you criticize MAGA, trigger Citi. You criticize evangelical movement, trigger Citi. You criticize the Catholic Church, trigger Citi. All of these things are worthy of criticism. All of these

things are worthy of open debate and discourse and critical thinking on are these things helping people or harming people? Furthermore, a lot of these kids that are evangelicals, they decide to get saved around like the age eight or eight or ten. Right. I think I was eight or nine. Yeah, that's right. That's just nuts. That's totally nuts. Some kid is told, if you don't do this, you're gonna go to hell. And so at eight to 10 years old, you're going down and getting saved.

And I'll never forget it. I remember when I was in junior high school and I wasn't raised with religion and these girls on my cheerleading squad were like, Jenny, when were you saved? Jenny, when did you get saved? I'm like, saved from what? I had no idea what they were talking about. They were like, saved from what?

You know, have you not accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior? And they were so passionate about it. And I remember just thinking, well, no, am I supposed to? And they're like, well, yes, you're going to go to hell. Like, you've got to go. I mean, we've got to take you tonight. I mean, we've got to take you to the church tonight and get you saved. Of course, I go home and ask my mother and she's like, oh, for fuck's sake. I think she said, oh, Jennifer, for God's sakes, that's ridiculous.

Did you know what hell was? Or did they have to? Of course I knew what hell was. Okay. Okay. I just didn't know if that was something that... I knew what hell was metaphorically, the same way that I knew what heaven was. I just didn't know if that was something that... I knew what hell was metaphorically, in the same way that I knew what heaven was, but it wasn't something that I believed to be as fact. It was something more abstract. Right. You know, I don't know that I was probably 12 when this happened. I don't know that I had big deep thoughts on existentialism at the time.

I mean, the last thing you're thinking about that age is death. Right. But for me, having grown up in it, I had a picture of it in my mind. I knew what it was. I had pictures, how it was all laid out. Now obviously that was my interpretation of it, but it was very real. It was like a real place. I knew it was like devil and I had seen, you know, in movies and in books about the devil and a pitchfork and whatnot. What was so problematic about then my friendship with these people is they

became more and more radicalized as they got older. And I live in suburban Oklahoma City, Bible thump, live in suburban Oklahoma City, Bible thump dump truck, right? And I have these atheist liberal parents. So I am like the skunk at the garden party. I felt like such an outsider, right? So we'd have these slumber parties and they would start talking to me about, well, you know what happens? You go down to hell and then all of these demons torture you and then they burn your skin off and then it grows back and it goes on and on over and over and over again. They start telling me all of this stuff. Well by the age of 12 or 13, I had enough brain development to critically think that, you know, that doesn't sound right.

I hadn't been sold that bill of goods right in the jump. And so when Christianity was described to me, it had about the same level of veracity absorption for me that probably when you learned about Greek mythology. 100%. I was just kind of like, now what? You know, like wait a minute, hold up. Five thousand years ago was Adam and Eve, and then what? There's a talking snake. I mean, it just didn't pass the sniff test, right? Which is hard to say in American culture to start questioning these things, because a large percentage of the population has been indoctrinated to think by what I just said.

What? You mean five thousand years ago, Adam and and Eve and there was a talking snake, but God did this because he loves you? Now what? And then he sent his son on a suicide mission? A lot of people hearing this right now, if they were indoctrinated in Christianity, would think that I'm being blasphemous and that I'm persecuting Christianity. But to the contrary, I'm just using critical thinking skills so that if there was another planet somewhere and we were able to go there and we told them about all of these different religions, Christianity sounds every bit as insane as all of the others if you describe them. The only thing that makes Christianity

relevant right now are two things. Geography, where you live, you live in the United States, and the era. are two things geography where you live you live in the United States and the era you know it's not that it's oh my god this is the only answer two thousand years from now there's going to be some other big movement or thing just like two thousand years ago it wasn't this and I just think that we need to have honest conversations about is this helpful I think I do know some people that are Christian light. You know, there may be like a Methodist or an Episcopalian. They don't take the Bible literally. But there's something about the ritual of praying and thinking that there's some sort of higher force out there that's comforting to them. I don't take issue with that. I take issue with the weaponization and emotional and spiritual black male from MAGA to the general public.

Oh, and then Trump, back to him, on the second floor of the, he's got a tongue talker who sells prayers for a thousand dollars. Blessings, the whole night, she's selling it, grifting just as bad as she is. So she does all that shit. And so, and then here's just one final before I get onto my grievance. Sometimes when we talk about this in the comment section, people that I described, the Christian-like people will say, they are not real Christians. And here's where we have to have an honest conversation

about that, because I'm accused as an American that was born in Dallas, Texas, by the right of not being a real American. I actually am in fact a real American. And so these people are actually real Christians. They're just not your version of real Christians. And so when everybody, all of these ideas come out of the same book, it's something that needs to be cleaned up within the faith, just like we're trying to with our other podcasts, clean up and fight the fascism that's happened.

And so calling them not real Christians or fake Christians or whatever isn't helpful. I think it's more honest to say there is a lot of contradiction and a lot of falsehoods in the Bible. And you have sex that take it way too far and are completely radicalized. And it's something within the faith that we need to deal with. But to say, to dismiss them outright doesn't fix the problem. Because if you put them up to true sermon of polygraph, they're going to say they're Christians

and they're going to pass with flying colors. Right. No, I agree with that. It's got to come with the call needs to be within the house. Exactly. OK. I'm going to tell you what I've had it with. And I just I don't know if it's an exact thing that I can say, but

it's a story I'm going to tell you. So I'm at this tennis banquet, because we all know I've been to probably 674 senior events, right? Just in the last 30 days. Yeah, just in the month of May 2025. So I'm at this tennis event, and I'm sitting with these parents in this restaurant. And the boys are at the tennis event and I'm sitting with these parents in this restaurant and the boys are at the tennis table and I'm with the parents. And they were asking me about my older son. I was like, Oh my God, yeah, you just graduated from Syracuse. He

had a wonderful experience up there. The graduation ceremony was actually lovely. I wasn't looking forward to it. I enjoyed it very much. And he was like, one of the dads goes, did he like it up there? And I go, yeah, very much so. And I thought he said, what about the cult? I said, oh man, I didn't see much of the cult up there. And he goes, what are you saying? And I said, you asked about the cult, Maga? And he goes, no, what about the cold?

The weather. Look how. And it's just so I've had it with that, like the impact of Trump and how he, this reality television show presidency that like they say cold and I miss here and I'm like the cold I didn't see that much of it up there. Jennifer I have been this is happening to me it's so on my mind all the time because it's so crazy and so dangerous we're driving the other day I go that guy walking looks like Peter Navarro why the fuck do I think that? I'm sitting at the Thunder game the other night

and I look across the thing and I'm like, oh my God, JD Vance is here. Like I'm seeing, everything reminds me of MAGA. Somebody has a complaint and says, you know, I don't really think that's my fault. And I'm thinking, well, they're MAGA. They don't take accountability for anything. Like I can't get away from it.

It's in every thought. And I fucking had it with that. So this, we just teed up for like the Daily Wire to make a reel about Trump derangement syndrome. Right. That's what they would use this as anecdotal evidence. But I think the fact of the matter with Trump derangement syndrome is that it is projection. It is the biggest form of projection that they use because Trump by design is ubiquitous. And he has cameras in front of him all of the time by design.

It's a part of the propaganda that lends itself to his ultimate authoritarian play. And so I just made an ass of myself. But also I was glad in case there were any MAGA at the table. They knew immediately. I knew the guy that was asking me that, I knew he was a liberal,

because we've talked about it all the time at the tennis matches. It's like, you see what Trump did today? I'm like, fuck yes, God, I hate him. Okay, here's what I'm gonna say about Trump derangement syndrome. If calling out fascism, an administration that's hurting the American people and say about Trump derangement syndrome. If calling out fascism and administration that's hurting the American people and lying is Trump derangement syndrome, then I have it.

And I proudly have it. Because I'm not standing by for this horse shit. Welcome to I've had it. I've had it. I am Jennifer. I am Angie, the HBIC, and that stands for head beaver. In charge. In charge.

All right, Kylie, what's going on on the World Wide Web? I've got two reviews for you today. Excellent. The first one is five stars titled Advanced Aged Hags I Wish Were My Moms. And Jacob writes, I'm a proud gay man who lives in Dallas, Texas. My partner and I drive a lot to Illinois

and this horribly funded podcast is what gets us through the day for the long drives. The two old bitter hags and one monotone lesbian have me in tears from laughing so much. Jen the athlete, end quotes, and Pumps, parentheses closeted lesbian, are the moms I wish I had. When I get to my advanced and for Pumps, my very, very, very, very advanced age, I want to be just like them. Love you ladies and what y'all represent. Keep fighting the good fight. Kaká." How about that? Spruces up my whole attitude. I mean, Jacob, that is so perfect. It's interesting that you threw in closet lesbian because right before we sat down here to film Chumps. New nickname alert, sound the sirens. Do not. Chumps and I were having lunch and she said, so Whitney, she really said she thought she

was asexual before she came out. And I go, yeah, not only that, but Austin Schow thought the same thing before he came out as a gay man. She was like, hmm, we just kind of left it at that. All right, what's the next review? Here's the next one titled Five star middle finger from tulsa and kyle writes this podcast makes me want to run through a hobby lobby Butt naked screaming i've had it These two are the patron saints of saying what everyone's thinking but is too sober to admit

I live in tulsa, but if I ever end up in okc It'll be because I was summoned by their chaos calling themselves a DEI podcast is the kind of delusion I respect. I laugh, I scream, I question my morals, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Bless these spicy Harpies for giving my weak, the unfiltered nonsense it desperately needs. Again, I love that. I love that.

I mean, these are great. I mean, great things are happening for us. They are. What was, go back real quick. What was the, it's harpies. Is that good? I've not heard that before. I think it's a, is a meaning that we harp on things.

So is that what that is? Yeah, I actually don't know the definition. Okay, see, I'm not the only one. Kylie doesn't know. Okay, moving along to our news stories. I have really bad news for you chumps. So do you remember when we were younger and our friends had moms that had a set of names?

Like my mom's name was Linda and a bunch of my girlfriends had moms and their name was Linda and there was like Brenda and other names. And those were the old lady names. Well, we have bad news. Gen Z wrote a list of old lady names. And they are Ashley, Amanda, Jessica, Stephanie, which is my sister's name, Jennifer, Christy, Tracy, Stacey, Amy, Crystal, Angela, Kelly, Lisa, Jordan, and on and on, but you made it twice.

Oh, Angela and Angie. Angela and Angie. Well, you don't see a lot of like five-year-olds named Angie or Angela, but I do think the exception to that is Angela is on there, but is dawning of an angel on there. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think that would be an exclusive if they made an evangelical Christian mother's naming. It's a different list. Yeah, that's a different list. Got it. Okay. All right. Next story. People who refuse to share food are more independent and usually better with money, study says.

New research suggests that people who are protective of their food tend to exhibit higher levels of independence and financial discipline. This personality trait is linked to strong boundaries, goal setting, and an instinct for delayed gratification. And all of you may remember cinnamon roll cake. That's exactly what popped in my house. Which happened at my house the Christmas of 2023. And I had made cinnamon rolls, pop and bake of course,

because I felt like cooking. And I was eating my cinnamon roll and delaying gratification for the center bite. And I turned to acknowledge one of my children I was eating my cinnamon roll and delaying gratification for the center bite. And I turned to acknowledge one of my children because I'm a doting mother first and foremost. And I turned back around and the center of my cinnamon roll had been eaten despite my guarding and protecting it. And I will just say anecdotally, listener, that I am more independent than Josh,

and I am a million times better with my money than Josh is. Yeah, so that wins the day. But when I was reading that, after I thought cinnamon roll gate, I immediately felt like if I am somewhere, and if I was at a table of people, and somebody said, can I have a bite and the person said no I Think I would probably think what an asshole

And I agree with the boundaries and all that but I think I would be like I think it's weirder to ask somebody for a bite I Eat a bite of your food all the time. That's different. Like we're at a level where I can say don't eat that I don't want you to eat it. Like we don't have any It I guess it depends on whom you want to steal the bite from. I'm with acquaintances and somebody said, can I try that? I would let them, but I would think, I don't want you trying my food. I didn't offer it. I do kind of feel a sense of protection, and maybe it's stinginess.

No, I just, cause I'm thinking like when people, I mean, I don't eat with big groups that I'm not really close with. We put it on the little plate and we pass it over. If I'm with you and my list of approved dining companions, which is very small on hand, I would share bites with all of them. The person whom I don't like to share

with the most is Josh because Josh is always a bite shopper and he does it to me, he does it to my children, he's constantly hovering, examining our food, looking at it very closely, looking for that superior bite, looking for the perfect bite to take from people. bite, looking for the perfect bite to take from people. And even if it's not a bite and it's like a milkshake, then he wants to take the milkshake away. And it just happened recently when we were in Syracuse for Dylan's graduation, all the restaurants full, you couldn't get reservations. There was a Five Guys on campus. So we schlep over to Five Guys. I get a junior cheeseburger, no fries, because I want to reward myself with a chocolate shake.

And I specifically ordered those two things because I knew I could eat and drink all of them. I said, Josh, are you getting a shake? He said, no, he's not getting a shake because he's so healthy and makes good eating choices. Yak, yak, blah, blah. Well, guess who wants to start eating my shake? Josh. And he doesn't just take it and take a sip out of the straw.

He puts the straw to the back of the cup and we're pouring it down our throats. Right. We're just gulping and inhaling it. And he went in twice for that. And I just, it makes me feel angry, bitter, and resentful. See, I- 25 years of this, of just stealing my shit, stealing my shit, it just, it drives me fucking crazy.

I would rather him have just gotten his own shake. See, that's my problem. And I completely get the Josh thing. But I've also been in situations where I'm like, hey, do you want me to order you something? And they say, no, no, no, I'm good. And then they want half yours and part of yours. Now that part, I guess I am in on that. Like I asked you if you wanted it. You said you didn't know you have one bite. That's it. And Josh is, he's a taker after just one

bite. Yeah. And he's always like, he's always shopping. He's shopping the table shopping the bites. He is he's always shopping the bites and from time to time He'll ask me if I'm hungry and I'm like no and then maybe we're door dashing something It takes forever for it to get to the house and by the time it gets there I am a little hungry, but I go in humble I go in and I'm like tell tuck between the legs I'm like, hey, I wasn't hungry, but I can smell it. Smells kind of good. Can I have a little bite?

And he is very gracious and he is very generous. But he doesn't have the 25 year deficit of food thievery that I have. That's fair. I think that's fair. All right, next up. Study reveals stark difference in life expectancy across the United States over

the past century. Okay, the longest and shortest life expectancies for women born in 2000 compared to 1900. So if you live in Washington DC, New York, California, Massachusetts, or Hawaii, you're going to be living a lot longer. The shortest lifespans are West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Mississippi, Arkansas. And what I want to point out to you all is you have been propagandized to believe that blue states are bad. Right, blue states are, they are donor economies.

They are what fund the machine that is the United States economy and where most of the taxes are paid. People live longer, they're more educated, and they tend to be more open-minded. That last part, the open-minded and the educated, that's the problem that MAGA has because they want you dumb, overweight, and educated, and I guess a drain on society. So if you notice, all of these other states, West Virginia, our state of Oklahoma, Kentucky, Mississippi, Arkansas, all of those states are red states, and those are considered economically parasitic states, meaning they take more in taxes than they pay in.

And I mean, this is so true because, and here's just a point I also want to point out, back to Pumps' grievance. If the evangelical myth that if you pray and you turn your life over to God and you tie, then God favors you. Then these red states would be the richest, healthiest, the most anointed, hashtag blessed states that there are. And in fact, the more religious the state, the evidence shows, not me, the evidence shows the more fucked up the state. Listen up, listener. If you rent, and if you haven't heard of BILT, you're about to thank me.

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situations. Okay, so you know how there's like the manosphere, right? And now there's like a woman's fear, right? And it's all bad, all bad. It's all toxic, all propaganda. I think we need to start the smartest fear. And I think the best skill set that somebody can have in 2025 is the ability to spit facts with a little commentary in under 90 seconds. And I found the leader of the smartest fear. And he is our next guest and his name is Professor Scott Galloway. Professor Galloway, welcome to I've Had It. Yeah, so I've never had more imposter syndrome. The smartest fear?

Smartest fear, we have to do it, professor. Yeah, thank you for that impossible bar, especially getting my message out less than 90 seconds. My co-host is constantly saying, like, wrap it up. She's constantly going, come on, put a period at the end of the sentence, bring it home. Land this blame. Anyway, it's great to be here

Thank you. I follow you on Instagram and I genuinely mean this. I think you're one of the best short form communicators that there is to combat all of the Propaganda and just bat shit insanity with the litter boxes and all this crazy shit that you Sometimes you end up over there and you're like what is going on and you're like, oh and all this crazy shit that you, sometimes you end up over there and you're like, what is going on? And you're like, oh, this is how Trump won.

I get it now. And I think you're a great voice of opposition to that because you're very well-rounded and very smart, sharp as a tack, I would say. Thank you for being generous. Well, what we like to do here is start off talking about petty grievances. And so what have you had it with?

Well, I have the petty stuff. I hate passwords, reservations, shoelaces, keys. Look, I always go to, these aren't petty grievances. I'm, I want to be the good guys. I've moved to London and I always thought as an American that I was the good guy. And I just feel like in the last 110 days we've lost that and that I think Americans are gonna register a huge decline in our prosperity. I don't

think we've really acknowledged how fortunate we are to have attracted the best and brightest. Everybody in the world had one thing in common if they're ambitious, they wanted to come to America. And I don't think that's any longer the case. I think we took for granted our rights. I think we took for granted our prosperity I Have it I mean I'm I've been very open. I struggle with anger and oppression So my grievances are kind of with me all the time. I see grievance in everything so if we're gonna talk about grievance, we're gonna need a bigger boat, but

yeah, my Have a long list of things I'm upset and triggered about. Back to your point about you wanting us to be the good guys. As somebody who is a professor and you see this attack on education, attack on universities, and the defunding of us being the innovators, the people who, you know, create the software that makes your iPhone operate. Can you talk a little bit about the economy that Trump and the sycophants surrounding him, I cannot call them economists, that say that we want to have all of these Chinese jobs back here and then you have European nations right now getting our researchers that universities are having

to let go and scooping them up over to Europe. Can you talk about this from the angle of being inside the education system, the higher education system? So there's a lot there. So let's talk about trying to bring back manufacturing jobs, funding of universities and universities in general. I've been very critical of higher ed. I think there's real issues with higher ed, and that is me and my colleagues have become so drunk on exclusivity and self-acronizement and arrogance

that we have artificially constrained supply. Dartmouth has an $8 billion endowment. They let in 500 kids. What a good Starbucks does in a day so they can feel important. Their alumni like it because the value of their degree goes up. And how many times have you heard your friends say, I would never get into the university I went to if I applied today? And then they laugh and giggle like it's

funny. That means your daughter's not getting in. And we create so much unnecessary manufactured stress by elite universities and their faculty and administrators, of which I'm a part of, deciding that we're no longer public servants, we're fucking Chanel bags. It's immoral, it is not American. When I applied to UCLA, the admissions rate was 74%, now it's 9%.

The son of a single immigrant mother who lived and died as secretary, yours truly, would not get into UCLA now, which started an upward spiral for me, and it's the reason I'm here today. So I think that higher education in many ways has become morally corrupt. We have an anti-Semitism problem at our early universities.

We've become so left-wing and become so sensitive to the injustices of the past that we crudely assess who are the oppressors, we go on the hunt for fake oppressors and we've decided that the whiter you are and the richer you are, the more likely you are to be an oppressor. And fairly or unfairly, we have decided the ground zero for rich and white is Jews.

And if I'd gone down to the NYU Plaza and said half the things that were said about Jews after October the 7th, if I went down and said, lynch the blacks, or if I went down and said, "'Lynch the blacks,' or if I went down and said, "'Burn the gays,' my faculty ID would have been shut off within the day, and I would never be in academia.

But the things that are said by Jews, what ends up at elite universities is that free speech is never free, or as long as it's hate speech about Jews. I do think it's being addressed. I do think it's a problem. Now, going to this notion that we're gonna bring back great manufacturing jobs on return to

universities in second and anti-Semitism. The average iPhone assembler in China makes $500 a month. The average employee in Cupertino at Apple makes $210,000 a year. We have purposefully outsourced the shitty, low-paying, dirty jobs in manufacturing overseas, such that our companies can make more money and we can reinvest in components of these companies, marketing, intellectual property, distribution, sales, retailing, research, such that we can grow better jobs.

Now, have we done a good job of retraining the people left behind by the disruption of these industries? No. But the notion that we're going to bring back iPhone manufacturing to the U.S., it would cost $3,500 to build an iPhone in the U.S. That would take their share down by 60 or 70 points, meaning the most held stock in the world would probably decline 60, 70, 80%. We are not bringing these jobs back, folks. Stop it. In addition, because of these ridiculous tariffs, because we decided to declare war on these fantastic allies that we've been trading with and getting the better

end of the deal, when we sell NVIDIA chips to Germany, we make 90 points a gross margin. When they sell a Mercedes into us, they get five points. Global trade is like the biggest increase, you know, the biggest, the most accretive thing in wealth that we could have done was to trade with our global partners. What happens?

They decide, okay, we can no longer trust these people, we can no longer trade with them, and they are trading, they are rerouting their supply chains around the US, and we're just gonna have less business. Back to universities, I apologize for being all over the place. When Trump says I'm cutting your funding because of anti-Semitism, it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. He is trying to control or implement thought leadership and also emasculate universities because the more critical thinking people do, the less they will embrace a Trump agenda.

So this ridiculous notion that this has anything to do with anti-Semitism, Columbia tried to comply with some of this. They said, we have a problem, we'll do the following things. And then they started saying, we wanna pick your faculty. We wanna pick the curriculum. So there's real issues.

The nation of Qatar has invested $4 billion in universities of our 14. And it's a fair question, what are they asking for? What do they want in exchange for that? So these protests where people on campuses were supporting a genocidal death cult, that just didn't accidentally happen. And it needs to be addressed.

But the notion that the Trump administration gives a shit about anti-Semitism on campus is just ridiculous So let's have an honest conversation about it, but let's not pretend that them cutting off research for for diabetes or vaccines or LED panels or GPS or all if you know anyone in your life that has diabetes If you have anyone in your life that was on an HIV cocktail if you have anyone in your life that had a c-section If you have anyone in your life who gets nuclear power HIV cocktail, if you have anyone in your life that had a c-section, if you have anyone in your life who gets nuclear power, all of these technologies were developed at universities.

And the fact that we're turning away the best and brightest, the fact that we are emasculating the greatest investment in history, which is investing through our great universities who make these forward-leaning investments that the private sector wouldn't make, that's just stupid. And to do it under the banner of anti-Semitism is just totally disingenuous. Anyways, thank you for my TED talk. Let's talk about, because we've gone there, I'm an atheist and I live in the buckle of the Bible belt, okay? So I… Where do you live? Oklahoma City. Nice. Raised an atheist, I mean, just stuck out like a sore thumb. But when I get to the issue of, you talked about Hamas being a death cult, which I concur.

I think it's bananas. But I also now, as a person who is not even remotely impacted by religion, I see the aggressions of Israel to combat what happened on October 7th as an overreach and war crimes. And so I feel like this conversation ends up being framed as, if you speak out against Israel, you're anti-Semitic, and that it's this very black and white narrative that forms. And the fact of the matter is, like, of course I oppose Hamas and these horrific Islamic Sharia law style organizations. But I also completely think Benjamin Anyahu is a total war criminal that's creating millions of more Hamas.

I mean, what I see happening over there is abusive and difficult to comprehend and difficult to watch it. And to know that our government funds some of this, where you see hospitals blown up. I feel like there's a lot of propaganda in there. And then to put the burden on these kids, and kids historically have always been anti-war. Back to Vietnam, that's what the college experience is,

is you're anti-war and you're radical about it. I feel like the way sometimes this gets framed is it doesn't allow for nuance. What's your take on that? Again, a lot there. So I think it's impossible not to empathize with people who have empathy for the fact that Gaza is now has the greatest concentration

of child amputees in the world. This is just horrific. I mean, it's horrific. Supposedly one in five are in danger of actual starvation. I think Netanyahu, I'm like you, has been terrible for Israel, trying to disassemble the Supreme Court. If you really look at the records,

Netanyahu was supportive of Hamas because he felt if Hamas stayed in power, they'd be less likely to get a two-state solution. His kind of deal with the Israeli electorate was, I am not as democratic, you may not like me, but I'll keep you safe. I've been to Kibbutz-Farazah, I went to the Gaza envelope, and all I could think was, all I had was rage. I'm like, how on earth were Israeli an idea of gunships, not helicopter gunships, not on the scene? He didn't keep them safe.

He is not a democratic, he's not someone who upholds ideals of democracy over settlements. I am totally empathetic to the notion that Netanyahu has been terrible for Israel. Now, as it relates to the war, this is a difficult thing to say, but I think one of the problems that plagues the Middle East is there's never a winner.

And also with Israel, I think there's a double standard. They're allowed to defend themselves. People are comfortable and like a dead Jew, who then the army rises up and fights back to a truce. But Israel is not allowed to prosecute the war the same way we've been allowed to prosecute wars. So 2,200 servicemen are killed at Pearl Harbor. We go on to kill 3.5 million Japanese,

including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 people die in 9-11. We go on to kill about, I don't know, I think about 400,000 or 500,000 Iraqis in Afghanistan in Iraq. And by the way, the ratio of enemy combatants to civilians was much higher, is much higher in Israel than it was in Germany, than it was in Mosul, than it was in Tokyo. So they are prosecuting a war, I don't want to say more humanely, but less inhumanely than we did.

And the analogy I would use is the following. What would we do if the following happened? A Jihadist death cult was elected to the leadership of Mexico. And they said, you know, those Southern Baptists in Texas, they demonize us, they round us up, they separate our families. These are horrible people, and they train young people to just hate Americans, to think that they were the devil. And they spent all of the foreign aid they were getting on tunnels and rockets. And then on one day, they incurred into Texas and they killed on a per capita basis the entire population of the University of Texas, faculty, students, and all the nursery schools

and high schools, they killed, they slaughtered everybody. And on the way back retreating to Mexico, they took the freshman class of SMU hostage and held them underground in tunnels in Monterey. What do you think we would do to Mexico? It would be the great radioactive Sonoran parking lot. We have done much worse in terms of responding. So while I am incredibly empathetic to what is going on here, I think a bad peace is worse than any...there's no such thing as a good war. But I think the problem here, my attitude is I put the death of innocent civilians and children in Gaza at the feet of Hamas. The moment they lay down their weapons and surrender, I think the people of Gaza are better off.

It's not like Israel's going to come in and start putting these people in camps and committing genocide. That's my favorite one is when I see these students claiming that it's a genocide. Israel has heavy weaponry and nuclear weapons. If they wanted to commit genocide against the people of Gaza, they could do it in about two weeks. Hamas would commit genocide against Jews, but can't. So I'm of the mind of, quite frankly, as horrific as it is, I am not a peace person here. I think there needs to be a winner. And I am, and this is a horrible thing to say, but I think a bad peace is worse than a bad war, and every war is a bad war. So I think there's a double standard

in terms of how Americans have responded to this type of aggression, and how Israel is allowed to respond. But I just think it's impossible not to empathize with your empathy. I get it. The question is, what do we do? What do we do?

And Hamas is still holding hostages underground, and our president is kissing the ass of Qatar, who has been the primarily funder and political mouthpiece. So I am very uncomfortable with this current administration, who got a lot of votes from the Jewish community because they thought it'd be good for Israel. That is ridiculous. But I understand your pain and your empathy, but I'm on the side of saying we have a double standard for Israel,

and I just ask people, what do you think we would do? Look what we have done. We have been breathtakingly incompetent. You had our Secretary of State Colin Powell that went and lied and then they went and invaded Iraq and I remember my mother calling me and saying this is insane. This is not who attacked us. Of course we all know it was the Saudis who Trump just went and had a huge circle jerk with who funded 9-11 And so I feel like this is always just so much more nuanced.

And when I see what is happening in Palestine and I play tennis every day at lunch, that's my thing. And there's a girl and we were talking and she was saying, I wish I could go back to my home country. There's not very many Jews and not very many Palestinians in Oklahoma City, all right? It's not a big international mech, it's very waspy. And so I said, where are you from?

And she said, well, my family's originally from Palestine. And I grabbed her arm and I said, I'm so sorry what's happening to your country. This girl is not an emotional, you know, stereotypical. She started crying and she said, nobody has even acknowledged what I'm watching. And it was just a sense of humanity. So I think if we start framing things that the United States gets to do lie and

go to Iraq with impunity, therefore Israel gets to do this. The way I see it, when we see kids trying to stand up for when they see what are war crimes and what is really inhumane. And then we're criticizing them for exercising that speech. I just think it's a really dangerous practice. And I think there's a complete difference from criticizing the Israeli government and then equating that criticism with anti-Semitism.

And I think this is what Trump is doing, and you spoke to that a bit. He's exploiting that, and he doesn't give a shit about Israel, he wants to develop the whole thing. I mean, he's the biggest narcissist on the planet, but it's something that we could talk about forever, and it's a very complicated issue. But I just wanna respond,

I wonder, there's two separate points there, the war in Israel, and so, the way I find, or attempt two separate points there. The way, the war in Israel and so, the way I find or attempt to find moral clarity in war where there is no moral clarity is I try to imagine what would happen if they were in charge. If Israel had, all of a sudden had charge of our government and our military, what would they do in America? I think the next day you'd have civil rights,

elections, jury trials, no cruel and unusual punishment, treatment of equal rights for women. What would Hamas do if they got control of the U.S. government and our military? And this is going to sound harsh, but I'll say it. At the end of World War II, we bombed Hamburg. They had all lost all air defenses. We killed 44,000 people in a small number of nights, only 400 service people.

And they asked Truman and his generals, why do you keep bombing these cities when they're defenseless? And he said they need to know they lost. And I have some sympathy to that, because until there's a winner here, and no one says, I don't understand this is all over when a suicide when a death cult lays down their weapons and releases the hostages.

So in my opinion, one of the problems of the Middle East is there's never a winner and all that's going to happen here in my view as long as Hamas is there is they will continue to raise a generation of people who believe that Jews should be exterminated. And this will happen over and over and over. And there is no good war. It'll involve death of civilians. I am not someone seeking truce here. I think there needs to be a winner.

And I put all of these deaths at the feet of what is a genocidal death cult. I would argue that the MAGA movement is very similar to what Hamas wants to do. Women in our state are not able to receive life-saving abortion care and we are losing rights. They are trying to make this a Christian nationalist state in Oklahoma. It is the breeding grounds for what would be the American Taliban. And because I live in this state and the leaders who represent me, does that mean I'm worthy of death because I'm a woman? And so I think in this state and the leaders who represent me, does that mean I'm worthy of death because I'm a woman?

And so I think it's a really difficult argument to make that there are tons of Palestinians and Saudi Arabians and people all over the Middle East who are free thinkers, who have just fallen prey to this fucked up autocratic, theocratic government that they live under. But it doesn't mean that they are worthy of death, nor can we look at, well, America did this in the past, therefore we need to do this, and quite frankly, Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be really, really right-wing, kind of Dick Cheney-esque war hawk, so it seems like we have to kind of speak out against all of it, because I don't think these Palestinians are

Worthy of death because in the elections that they had were a long long time ago rigged Which ours are probably gonna end up being rigged by Starlink and Musk moving forward And so I just think it's kind of a dangerous way that sometimes this gets framed where we're in these kind of that sometimes this gets framed where we're in these kind of absolutes and what about-ism, when the fact of the matter is, what's happened over there is horrific, what happened on October 7th is horrific, and I think both sides contribute to more hatred,

and our involvement exacerbates all of it, and I think these young kids on college campuses being anti-war is very appropriate. Okay, again, a lot there. 30% of Iranians support the Islamic Republic, so I'm more sympathetic to your arguments about Iran versus Gaza, where 70% of the populace endorses the leadership there. I'm the 30% in Oklahoma. We're 70% Christian-allapan here. And also- I'm 30%. That 30% is important. I don't think, I agree with you, I don't think we're in a position to wave our finger at anyone right now around, especially women's rights, when a 14 year old can be raped and has to carry the baby to term in certain parts of America now.

I think that is outrageous. Having said that, while I've never wanted to defend MAGA, I do think it's a bit of a stretch and a false equivalence to compare to the MAGA movement in any way to Hamas, who throws gay people off of roofs, believes in child marriage, says women can be executed if they don't comply. I mean, that's a different level. I don't think it's fair to compare MAGA. Have you ever lived in an evangelical culture? Do you really think you can equate that in any way to the way Hamas equates themselves?

I think it heads that way. I think that there is an active movement when you read into Project 2025, and I've lived around this evangelical culture. There are private schools here in Oklahoma that people pay, parents pay extra money, and they sign a document that says they believe one of the greatest sins is marriage that isn't between a man and a woman. That's their singular mission of this school is to indoctrinate homophobia, and this is a decades-long movement.

But do you think they would kill those people? We're getting a bit far afield here. Let me put it this way. Let's agree, I'm with you. I'm really freaked out about the lack of the... For the first time in America's history, we've taken away rights. That had never happened before. It was always granting rights.

And I would argue that the overturn of Roe v. Wade, the thing I really don't like about it the most, well there's a lot I don't like about it, one of the things I don't like about it, is regardless of what happens to family planning or laws in the United States, anyone who becomes pregnant in my life, I'll have access to family planning because I'm rich. I don't even see this, the most mendacious thing about this in my view is not that it's a war on women. I think it's a war on poor women. Totally. It totally is.

I could live in deepest, reddest Mississippi, and if someone in my life has an unwanted pregnancy, no problem. Fly to California. Right. I can get mesophestal on overnight. Right. I have the money and the contacts. Totally.

But a 14-year-old black girl who's raped is embarrassed, unsophisticated, doesn't have a lot of education, mom is working her ass off, nobody knows she's pregnant until the fifth month, she can't fly to Atlanta, she has to carry that baby to term. So this isn't a war on women, it's a war on poor women. And this brings up a larger point, and that is what is happening in America is the following, in my view. We're developing a cohort of what I call the transnational oligarch, and that is the top 1. my view. We're developing a cohort of what I call the transnational oligarch. And that is the top 1.1 percent have a disproportionate amount of power. The top 10 donors in America give more money than 80 percent of all donors combined. And as a result, they're able to

implement a series of tax cuts that create deficits. And the really sad part about it is that I'm in the 0.1 percent and I'm a hardcore Democrat. And what I see amongst my friends is a lot of pearl clutching and no willingness to actually speak out or really do anything that involves risk or sacrifice because of the following. When you're in the point one percent, you have your own rights. Anyone comes for me, Steve Bannon said the Trump administration should sue me, I can lawyer up like no tomorrow. Anyone in my life gets pregnant. Steve Bannon said that about you? Yeah, I wear it as a badge of honor. I have my, I have access to my own education. I have access to my own transportation. I've got, I can

essentially sequester from the real America with my money. So the threat to American democracy is not as great for the most powerful people because at the end of the day, if they start rounding up Jews again—I'm Jewish, as they did in Germany—as they are rounding up people with the wrong tattoo, like no one I know has been rounded up because this is—they're poor, right? I doubt very many of us know someone who's actually been rounded up, and that's what's happening here when you send people to black sites and other nations and other states because the most powerful among us, even on the

democratic side, have developed their own set of rights. Your rights are a function of how much money you have. The top point one percent are protected by the law, but we're not bound by it. Whereas the bottom ninety nine point nine are not protected by the law, but they're bound by it. Democracy has bottom 99.9 are not protected by the law, but they're bound by it. Democracy has become a function of how much money you have. And if shit ever really gets real in the US, I have the money to peace out to Milan or Dubai

and be just fine. And the problem with this is the most powerful people in the United States, even the one who hold dear democratic values, don't really feel a sense of threat. Don't really feel like sense of threat, don't really feel like they need to take risks and speak out because they have their own democracy called wealth. I have, we have questioned on this podcast with we're craning towards recession and everything you know the American brands going down,

bond market, all of it is going down. Is there going to be a time where you have CEOs that are losing money come out and say this administration is destroying the economy or is everybody going to just continue to toe the line? Well I know a lot of these CEOs. I think I tallied it up and this is bragging but I think I've worked with 30 of the CMOs or CEOs of the 100 biggest companies in the world. And I think 90% of them wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and say,

hello, Mr. or Madam President. I think they all think of themselves as, they are extraordinary leaders. And I think most of them think that at some point, there'll be this overwhelming draft to get them to run for president. But here's the thing, the primary qualification to be president is leadership. And leadership, simply put, is doing the right thing even when it's really hard.

And right now, I'm going to list the number of CEOs who are willing to speak out and say what everyone's saying privately and realize that a lot of the American values that gave them exceptional wealth and opportunities they recognize are under attack right now. So here's the list. Okay, I'm done. There has been such a domino of cowardice in corporate America. Totally.

Because the short-term incentives are to say, just stay out of his way, just ignore him, put out a press release saying you're investing more money, send a million dollars to his inauguration committee, buy his wife's lame documentary for $40 million when no one would pay $40 bucks for it. Just stay out of his way. He's got the attention of a cat chasing a red dot, and we move on and it's the best thing for shareholder value. At some point, someone is going to speak up. The biggest commercial opportunity I've seen

in a while is for a great American company, Nike, through the lens of commercials and athletes to talk about, without mentioning Trump's name, how important our immigrants seen in a while is for a great American company, Nike, through the lens of commercials and athletes, to talk about, without mentioning Trump's name, how important our immigrants are in America, to talk about how important our freedoms are and how we have always erred on the side of giving people due process and just how incredibly powerful America has become because of its due process, its rule of law, and its willingness to embrace immigrants and err on the side of generosity and being a loving, generous people to people who are less fortunate. And they could do this so powerfully, and this is what would happen.

The reality is, I look at stuff economically, the people who that commercial would enrage are driving Rav4s and have trucker hats and have almost no disposable income. And that's an elitist statement and it's true. And the people who would be emboldened and feel really good about that company are the people with all the money. Because the people who, if you look at the disposable income of the people who are really horrified by Trump's activities, I bet it's 70 or 80% of the consumer market. So for example, when when Nike embraced Colin Kaepernick and you saw these YouTube videos of people burning their Nikes,

I bet that was the first pair of Nikes they ever owned. Because the majority of Nike's market is people under the age of 30, it's a lot of non-whites, these are progressives. So the biggest commercial opportunity is for a guy like Doug McMillan, or Elliot Hill from Walmart, or Tim Cook from Apple to say Look this may cost us in the short term short term

But we and I are the enormous beneficiaries of American values Yes And what we see here going on does not support American values He would go ape shit and every every Democrat with money would go buy another iPhone another pair of Nike tennis shoes Or say, you know Walmart would be a tougher one because they have a lot of consumers that are probably Trumpers but there's an aspirational brand that is gonna step into this void and they're gonna get a torrent a Waterfall of new business and in the short term Trump will come after him and I'll get angry and I'll have this

attorney general threaten lawsuits and then they'll go on to their next big fucking disaster or building they want to build in the Middle East. I think this is the biggest commercial opportunity presented to a big American brand in a long time. I totally agree with you. I think so many of these CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are so short-sighted and they're playing such a short game when the American economy has been so beneficial to them. In many cases, to Walmart shareholders, subsidize the

fact that they don't pay their employees enough. The American taxpayer helps subsidize. If somebody works full-time at Walmart on minimum wage, the American taxpayer is covering the snap or the food stamps or whatever else so that the wealth always trickles up. And the biggest myth that white country club Republicans in cities like ours in Oklahoma City, a city of a million people, the biggest myth that Republicans have successfully perpetrated on upper middle class to upper class white folks in cities like mine, is that Republicans are great businessmen, that they are so good at business, that Republican economies are so beneficial, and that trickle-down economics is great.

Because I'll have girlfriends or acquaintances of mine where I'm like, I just don't know how you can vote for him. I mean, he's such a misogynist and he's, you know, such a piece of shit. He's mentally unstable. And they always say, well, you know, I'm just fiscally conservative. It just really helps my pocketbook. And that whole notion that Republicans are just so good at business has been so well executed on the electorate. It is a myth that people around here by hook, line,

and sinker despite the fact if you looked at what George W. Bush did, disaster, deregulate, you know, complete meltdown. We do corporate welfare to bring us out of it. Trump 1.0, same thing. And now this is just beyond. I mean it's just, wow. I haven't seen any research that shows that there's a difference in entrepreneurship or management capability based on political party. What I have seen though is that 70 or 80% of the nation's GDP derives from deep, deep blue counties.

Specifically the ones that have technology or big companies or urban areas. And just as an analogy, for example, California sends $80 billion of excess tax revenue to the federal government more than it takes. It's surplus, it's a payer, it's a net giver. Whereas Texas is a net taker. They get $70 billion in benefits.

And the Republican Party's genius is an ability to get people to vote against their own interests. Totally. We say that all the time. Totally. Because if you look at the cuts they're proposing in this tax bill, which will be the largest transfer of wealth in history from the poor to the rich or from the young to the old, depending on how you want to categorize it,

it's really going to disproportionately hurt red states who are very... You know, 40% of children now are on Medicaid and those those homes that need Medicaid for their kids chronic illness are disproportionately over indexed in very red counties. So I'm not a huge fan of Senator Warren's policies but I do think she's a leader and and I'd like some of her narrative but she kind of summarized it perfectly. She said, look, they're getting richer while you're losing your healthcare.

And not only that, I again try to look at this stuff through an economic lens. Cutting Medicaid, cutting SNAP payments. SNAP shows a return of three to 7% a year, meaning it actually returns. It's like buying a treasury bill. You get money back because these kids have better health outcomes They're less likely to develop childhood obesity diabetes end up end up needing

Dialysis hip replacements more likely to end up not being hungry such that they can such that they can study end up not being incarcerated It's been shown that every dollar we get for SNAP, we get money back. These programs actually yield a benefit. We're cutting DOGE, which supposedly cut $150 billion. We're actually gonna lose $250 billion a year because part of the cuts are eviscerating 40% of the IRS, which will cost us $400 billion a year.

So we're going to lose a quarter of a trillion dollars a year in tax revenue with the Doge cuts. And by the way, who really benefits from that? Very wealthy people who have complicated tax returns. It's easy to audit someone from a lower middle class home who's not going to get audited are the very wealthy households. And I can tell you firsthand that the general gestalt among the very wealthy right now is be so aggressive

because it's unlikely you'll get audited because your tax return is so complicated that it takes real resources and the IRS is massively underutilized. I think almost everything we do here is, it legislatively has been an elegant transfer of wealth from the young to the old old from the poor to the rich Because the old quite frankly have figured out a way and I know the sound of ages. I am an ageist

Is is they figured out a way to vote themselves more money? and And think of it this way Congress has become a cross between the golden girls and the land of the walking dead. That's bad. What's worse about it Is that 75% of them will be dead within 30 years. So are they really that concerned with climate change? Are they really that worried about the deficits? Because when you're seven years old,

the future is a relative term. So what we have is too much short-term thinking, and also since George W. Bush, we've decided that we can have our cake and eat it too. We had a fiscal surplus through Clinton. Al Gore's proposed budget was going to give us $5 trillion in surplus. George Bush decided to give it all back to the taxpayers and he decided to do something we've never done in history. We can go to war and we can cut taxes. Before that, when we went to war, we raised taxes. Because we wanted to say to American consumers, it not only is costing us blood, it's costing us

treasure. But when George Bush decided to cut taxes and go to war, it started a downward spiral of deficits or the acceptance or tolerance of deficits that, by the way, both Republicans and Democrats have continued. Biden had $5 trillion in deficits. Trump had eight. So, George Washington to George Bush, we had $7 trillion in deficits, and one term under Trump we had $8 trillion. And speaking to him about a business,

what I do agree with you on, there's a myth that Trump is a good business person. If he had taken the money inherited from his father and just put it in an index fund, he would have been wealthier until he pulled off this masterful grift of the Trump coin where he has increased his wealth at billion dollars a month since being elected.

He has left a trail of bankrupt companies and unpaid subcontractors in his wake. He is not a good business person. That I will sign up for. He is a fantastic reality TV show host. He is an amazing grifter. I think the Trump coin is such an elegant grift. The bad news is we

have a mob family running the country right now. The worst news is that Michael Corleone is running the crime and Freida was running the government. I wish they brought some of the same competence they're bringing to their grift. They are elegant, disciplined, organized around the grift. And then you have these village idiots running our Defense Department. Yeah, totally. Conspiracy theorists running HHS. It's like bring in the criminals that you have

on your grift to run the government, because at least they're competent. And I just want to clarify, the myth that they've been so successful at is that Republican policies are good for business. And I think I might have, you might have interpreted that and I wasn't clear that Republicans, individual Republicans, were good at business. But I meant the policies. But now we like to play a game with our guests, Scott, and it's called Had It or Hit It. Oh my God. Welcome to Had It or Hit It. I would hit it.

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OK. Started drinking at 19, lost my virginity at 19. Do the math. Right. Yeah the math. Right, yeah. Okay, I have never, look, my advice to young people, and I say this only half jokingly, is that you get out of the house more, drink more, and make a series of bad decisions that might pay off.

I totally agree with you. We have Gen Z kids, and the, so my youngest son is graduating right now. I have been to, I'm not kidding, 75 different events. It is the most celebrated generation. We've had all of these banquets, all of these awards ceremonies. It is the biggest circle jerk of made up bullshit I've ever attended.

And part of it is, you know, the parents are helicoptering in, but part of I think the situation is, because I'll get in this mom group meeting, it's like, make sure your son is wearing business casual to this banquet. And I think, no, it would be better for Roman, that's the name of my youngest son,

for him to show up in shorts and a t-shirt and flip flops and walk in and face the, oh shit, I didn't check to see what I was supposed to wear. And face that moment instead of mom always throwing herself in front of the bus that maybe their child isn't dressed okay. And I think parents are exacerbating a lot of this, we say in the South, we call them titty babies, this titty baby mentality that, because I'm living in it right now,

and I just think, let your kids make mistakes. That's where all the growth is. So I used to leave my mom's house at nine a.m. on a Saturday morning with an Abba Zabba bar, a Schwinn bike, and 35 cents, and she wouldn't see me for 14 hours. My kid, my kid is 15 minutes late home from school. We call fucking MI6.

We freak out. And here's the problem. We use so many sanitary wipes on our kids' lives, they don't develop their own immunities. We engage in bulldozer and concierge parenting. We clear out all the obstacles for them. And this is what happens, and I know this firsthand at NYU.

They get to NYU, they get their first D, they get their heart broken, and they freak out. And I'm guilty of this, but what I'm trying to do, and I'll use a personal example, and I love personal examples that make me seem like the good guy, but my kid, I'm just absent-minded, I'm terrible, I'm alone with my son, his 14-year-old, of course they love malls, he's going to a party at the Westfield mall. I get him an uber He goes to the Westfield mall. My phone starts blowing up He's at the wrong Westfield mall and ends up there are two Westfield malls in London and he's at the wrong one His mom is furious at me. He's freaked out and finally I get them both on the phone on my say no one

Figure it the fuck out you have a smartphone, you have Google Maps, you have an Oyster card, you have an Uber app, figure it out. I don't even know why I ordered an Uber for you. I don't know why I am figuring out at the age of 14. Nobody told me where to go or got me Google Maps or an Uber when I was 14. And you know what, he figured it out.

We need to let our kids fail. and this is really hard for me. Occasionally I see my kids making a mistake and I'm like, alright, it's like Mel Robbins. Let them. Because these kids have to figure out, my kid was just out for this really big award. He worked so hard for it. He just missed out on it. We were all sort of heartbroken and I said to his mom, I'm like, this is kind of the best thing that can happen to these kids. My, of course I always like to bring this back to me, my superpower is the ability to endure rejection. I ran for 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade presidents, lost all four races, and based on my track record, I decided to run for student body president where I went on to get this lose. I

Interviewed at 19 jobs. I barely got one. I applied to nine graduate schools. I got into two I can't tell you how many VCs I've tried to raise money from them said no, it would be impossible for me to in any way Categorize or shape the enormity of rejection. I've endured from women and the reason why the reason why, the reason why I am economically secure and get to hang out and have sex with someone much hotter than me is because I am not afraid of rejection. And the worst thing that is happening to our young men in this society is that the deepest pocketed, most talented organizations in the world all want to give them a low friction version of life that says rather than going out and trying to make friends, trying to find a

job, trying to find a mate, go on reddit or discord or porn or a coinbase or Robinhood and they are not developing the skills or the calluses for no. The most important way to success is a shit ton of no's. The only thing successful people have in common, it's not where they went to school or it's no longer their gender, it's no longer even thank God their skin color, it's that they are not afraid of no. If you want to get to really wonderful yeses professionally, personally, romantic, sexually, get ready for fucking no over and over and over and not enough young people

are being exposed to no, and all that means is they're never gonna get to wonderful yeses. So true. I completely agree with you. We talk about this all of the time, and somebody who's forced into all of these groupies, for my 18-year-old son, and see the the parenting, the helicopter psychotic parenting, I just think this is not good. This is not good for these kids. Okay,

last one, had it or hit it identity politics? Oh, had it. It's one of the reasons the Democratic Party is less popular than an insurrectionist. Do you realize if the election happened today, Trump would still win? The Democratic Party has a lower rating, approval rating, than Trump. And look at our leadership. Chuck Schumer, who brightens up a room by leaving it and is fighting back, is to send a strongly worded letter. That's how fighting back is to send a strongly worded letter That's how we're responding with a strongly worded letter

so and I think I Think identity politics have absolutely submarine the Democratic Party. I Went to the Democratic National Committee our convention. It was a parade of special interest groups Talking about the very real struggles they all face, but they look at everything through the lens of identity. And by the way, the one group they didn't mention was the group that has fallen furthest fastest, and that is young men who are four times as likely to kill themselves, three times as likely to be addicted, 12 times as likely to be incarcerated.

But we don't want to talk about young men because of the privilege, the unearned privilege men my age received, and we're holding young men responsible for it. If you go to the Democratic website, dnc.org, there's a site, a portion of the site that says, Who We Serve, and it lists 16 demographic groups ranging from Asian Pacific Islanders to Black Americans to disabled to veterans. I added it up at 74% of the U.S. population. When a political party says explicitly, we are openly openly overtly advocating for 74% of the population, you're not, you're not advocating for 74%. You're discriminating against the 26%. And it's young men. And this is why Trump won. If you look at the three groups that pivoted hardest from blue

to red, from Biden to Trump, or from Biden to Harris, from 2020 to 24. It's three groups. Hispanics or Latinos who don't want to be categorized as a group. They can't be categorized as a group. Mexicans in Southern California are much different than Cuban Americans in southern Florida. Number two was people under the age of 40. For the first time in the history of America, a 30-year-old isn't doing as well as his or her parents were at 30. That has never happened in our 275-year history. It's a breakdown in the history of America, a 30-year-old isn't doing as well as his or her parents were at 30. That has never happened in our 275-year history. It's a breakdown in the social compact.

They went to Trump. All they want is chaos. And then the interesting part, and I'd be curious what you guys think of it, is 45 to 64-year-old women. In my thesis, is that's their mothers. Because if your son is in the basement playing video games and vaping,

you don't give a shit about territorial sovereignty in Ukraine or transgender rights. You just know your son isn't doing well. And women don't like to hear this, but the bottom line is there are still a lot of women in America that will vote for what they perceive as best for their husbands and their sons. And so you don't want, all you want is chaos. My son isn't doing well. I want change. And the incumbent, Vice President Harris, was not perceived as change. So our inability to

focus on who really needs help, regardless of their identity, which is the middle class in America and young people, that has gotten in the way of Democrats' ability to win elections. We are now seen as the party that's more interested in grabbing social virtue than figuring out actual programs that increase the material and psychological well-being of citizens. Identity politics has fucked us. I'm sorry, the delivery on that was so good. Here's what I wanna argue. I would argue that the reason Trump won

is because I'm sure you've probably seen that bubble graph at how large the right-wing media movement is. It's massive. It is not even comparable to, I mean, we can't even remotely compete with the volume that they put out. What pisses me off about the Democrats is this, is it seems to always be this binary choice.

Like, where you are, identity politics has fucked us. Where at the tail end of the political campaign, the Republicans were the one talking about gender ideology. In my state, we have this whacked out governor, whacked out school superintendent. They talk about gender politics all the time because it's a great thing to feed the rubes. They don't get it. They don't understand it.

They believe the litter box shit, right? And so I wish the Democrats would make a nuanced argument, but not super difficult argument to make that, you know what, Sherry, you know that boy down the street that's Betty Sue's grandson, that's kind of light in the loafers? We're gonna support him too. You might not get it, but you know that girl at church,

she's got that tomboy granddaughter, and we have to support them too. I hope that we don't abandon anybody. The 74% on the Democratic website, that's bullshit. That pisses me off. I do think that we have people in our party that can take a populist economic message without leaving anybody behind, but I think this swing back that some people within the Democratic Party feel to then just demean identity politics, it's terrible. We have friends here that have a trans child. Raising a trans child in this fucking MAGA hellscape is brutal. It is just brutal for these people.

It's brutal for these trans kids. And so I hope that we leave no one behind and we figure out a smart way to integrate identity politics with solutions for all Americans. Because the fact of the matter is, people with these identities are born to evangelicals. They're born to MAGA people. There's a, you know,

have you ever been to a country in Western Barg and you've seen those men all tighten up in those Wranglers with the big belt buckle? I mean, it looks kinda gay. I mean, I've seen a lot of gay cowboys around here. So I hope that we don't abandon anyone because the fact is that a lot of these people need these services too.

And I think the Democrats need to figure out a message to encompass that and leave no one behind because freedom is for everybody and these programs are for everybody. Democrats need to figure out a message to encompass that and leave no one behind because Freedom is for everybody and these programs are for everybody But we suck our chin out and we warranted an overreaction or not warranted But we invited an overreaction when you're letting trans women compete in women's sports where the scholarships are money on the line You're just setting yourself up for an overreaction in addition, and this is a victory But we need to acknowledge the data. In America today, you'd rather be born non-white or gay

than poor. The academic achievement gap between black and white was double what it was between rich and poor 60 years ago. Now it's flipped. This all kind of comes down to the question that I think most people, most Republicans and almost all Democrats believe that there are certain people born with wind in their face

that deserve a hand up. The question is, what is the metric for deciding who gets a hand up? And I believe it shouldn't be based on any physical attribute. I think it should be based on one thing, and that is the primary dictator of how hard your life is gonna be, and that's how much money you have.

I believe in affirmative action, and I believe it should be based in color, but it should be based on green, and that is how much money you have. I believe in affirmative action, and I believe it should be based in color, but it should be based on green, and that is how much money you have. Show me the Taiwanese daughter of a private equity billionaire. I'm going to show you someone who gets into elite university. Show me a white kid from Appalachia who's raised by a single mother whose father's incarcerated. I'm going to show you a kid that has a life of addiction and abuse in his life. Affirmative action is a wonderful thing.

I'm the beneficiary. I'm a white heterosexual male. I got unfair advantage. My mother was a secretary, so I got something called Pell Grants. I got free money, which gave me unfair advantage. And it started an upward spiral for me where I'm now a huge tax payer.

Affirmative action is a wonderful thing, but it should be based on money. We should be helping, our focus should be on the poor, and quite frankly, people under the age of 40 who have fallen behind relative to their parents. But any observable, your sexual orientation, your race, quite frankly, I think it leads to more problems than it solves.

And here's where we can come together. An affirmative action based program based on income has a 70% overlap with non-whites and the people who traditionally were advantaged because there still is an economic apartheid in the United States. Black and Hispanic families have an average net worth of about 20 or 25 grand, white families 150.

But when you normalize it for college, it evens out. So Trevor, I was just on Trevor Noah's podcast. His kids have too much advantage in today's America. He's, they're rich, they're getting the tutors, they live in areas where I don't think they face any real discrimination, but they still get advantage getting into schools. That's unfair.

It should be based on how much money you have. Low income households are the ones that need lifting up and young people need lifting up because we have consistently taken money from them and given it to the wealthiest generation in the world and that is old people. So affirmative action is a wonderful thing. It should be based on income and nothing else. I agree. I mean that's something to think about because we talk about all the time that the victims of most of Trump's policies and trickle down economics is poor people.

That's who suffers. Yeah, 100%. Professor Galloway, this has been very interesting. I'm so happy to have you on the podcast because I follow you and I listen to all of, uh-oh, Pumps is coughing up a lung, speaking of Appalachia. But I really appreciate you coming out.

It was a really interesting conversation. I love everything that you're doing. I think you offer a great platform for males in the face of all of this other stuff. And all of your videos are very thought provoking. They make me think, and I think it's important that we try to build, I'm dead serious about this, a smartosphere.

All of this stupidity is being celebrated online. And I want you to start it. You start it. Well, as long as you'll be my sisters in arms, as long as you guys join me. We will. I appreciate you having me and congrats on all your success. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, he's very, I mean, just, he's a very smart person. Super smart. I don't agree 100% with all of his stuff, but what I like about it is if you don't, you have this very interesting conversation where people have varying degrees of nuance under the umbrella of democratic principles. Well, that's what we've lost nowadays. Instead of saying, okay, we're coming to this from two opposite sides. Let's talk it through.

It might not change my mind, might not change your mind, but we'll both be enlightened and we'll both learn something. Now it's just we disagree. I know you are, but what am I? You know, that's and I'm sick of that. Yeah. And I think what he said, you know, about I think what he said, I have to think about sometimes I have to think about things. But what he said about that he believes in affirmative action, but it needs to be based on money,

you know, that makes sense. But also, I do think the optics for young black people to see people of their skin color in positions of power doing certain jobs is also important. And so, I mean, I don't know what the right or wrong answer to that is, but I agree with him. You know Trevor Noah's kids, obviously Trevor Noah's made a shit ton of money. They don't need any sort of assistance paying for college or what have you. But I think these are all interesting things to discuss, an interesting conversation to have. The problem is, you know, fast forward five, six years from now, can we still have

these conversations? Because this is what you do in a democracy where you have the First Amendment? You have free speech you have intellectual conversations and you talk about ideas and The Trump administration wants to be the thought police, you know, I love that We have to really search this up about Steve Bannon wants Trump to sue me. Did you know that? I've heard him talk about it before Yeah, but I don't know what the what the whole story is. I love that to stuff about Steve Bannon once Trump disowned him. Did you know that? I've heard him talk about it before. You did? Yeah, but I don't know what the whole story is. I love that.

I love that he's like, fuck you, come after me. He said it was a badge of honor. I love it. Yeah, OK, all right. That's all we have for today. Remember this. Life is a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches, written by Pumps and me, AKA our manifesto.

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