I've Had It - Bubba BJ-Gate

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

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city. We are so excited. It is. Joanne Reed. She is a New York Times best-selling author, documentary film producer, and former MSNBC anchor, who in 2020 became the first black woman to host a primetime new show. She is currently the proprietor, proprietor of the Joy's House Substack and the host of the Joy Reid Show in an effort to make us look cooler because we have cool guests. Right. Joy Reid, welcome to I've had it. Thank you so much. Can I just please do a fuck off. I'm like, it's It's in my spirit. Please do it. Do it. Fuck off! Yes.

That's a good. I love it. I love it. I love it. You did good. Thank you. Well, you know, I've been watching. I've loved your podcast.

Thank you. And so it was like, I was like, I cannot get here without having to do a fuck off. I mean, come on. You have to do a fuck off. Okay. So, Joy, I have a couple of amends I have to make to you. Okay. So you and Jim Acosta and Don Lemon, the No Kings March Day, had texted me, hey, will you stream

with us? And I was like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll be the, like, reporter on the street. Problem with this is is I'm not a reporter. I'm a total Ricky, right? So I'm marching and we're being like, you know, this is what democracy looks like. And so I zoom into you guys. And all you can hear all the people around. And Don is messaging me like, did you bring earphones?

Can you not hear us? Can you turn off, you know, like the echoing had no idea. then for the Zoron mom Donnie. Listen. Okay. So, listener, Joy's producer called me and she's like, hey, can you come on the night of Zoron's victory? I said, I'm actually going to be

at the party. Yeah. She said, well, you live report from there? And I was like, yes. And you think I would have learned my lesson from the No Kingsville. I would have brought earphones. Sure. And so I just want you to know that the third time is going to be the trial. Okay.

This is not going to be a tri- effect failure. I am going to, the next time you asked me to deliver for you, I'm going to be Jennifer Welch reporting from the streets of Manhattan. I love it. I'm going to have my ear pods. I'm going to be all set and I'm not going to dick anyone. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I'm a rookie. And the thing that's so interesting is on the Zoran Mamdani one, our producer, Nitha Khan, who lives in New York. I was like, you should show up and go to it, right? Because this is going to be a moment. She's a Muslim woman. I'm like, this is like an emotional thing for her.

She wrote a piece for the substack about it. I'm like, you should just show up because we didn't, it was already full. We couldn't get a pass to get in. But now kicking myself, I'm like, and I've been doing this for so long, you know, on the journalism side, the lesson is always just do it, right?

And so next time, look, Zohan, Mom Donnie, when you get inaugurated, just know that I'm going to have somebody right there and they're getting in. And then with you, we literally ended the live 15 years, 15 minutes too early because right once the doors open you didn't have your stuff but then we weren't ready either because

we went off we literally just went off like 15 minutes before so I'm like next time you need to be there there were a lot of like podcasters mainstream news and our type of news there in the press so next time you just got to we just got to show up you just got to and I'll be a woman on the street

I am ready if you're ass I know I am going to deliver next time. Okay, Joy Reid, what have you had it with? Oh, my God. Where do I begin? I mean, the first thing I have had it with, and I hate to always start with my own people, but I've had it with the Democrats caving. I've had it with the Democrats soft peddling this autocracy. You know, I've been a Democrat since I was old enough to vote, the first person, I'm going to age myself. My first vote was a primary vote for Jesse Jackson in 1988. I was so excited. And then I had to vote for the guy with the big all helmet on his head. I had to do it, you know, whatever.

Dukakis, right? So that was my first presidential vote. I had no choice. Because that's what I was left with. And Geraldine Ferraro. And Geraldine Ferraro, that was the first presidential vote because I didn't get Jackson. But my

problem with the party has always been they have good intentions. They care about people, but they are afraid to use power. And they seem to be allergic to using power. Whereas Republicans don't care about anyone. No. But they also understand

power and they understand how to use it leverage it and it frustrates me to be on the side that refuses to fight in the way you need to in an autocracy. So I've had it with that. I want a Mamdani-style Democratic Party. Let me ask you both this. So I read today that AOC and Zoran said that they don't think anybody should primary Hakeem because they don't think the party after these victories should have this type of fighting. And I'm a very, I'm not a very rigid person in my beliefs. I'm open-minded to how can we win? What's going to help us beat these fuckers, beat these fascists? I'm open-minded about all of that. So I'm curious about both of your feedback on that because my thinking about

Hakeem is that he hasn't been the most effective minority leader at all. And the APAC situation is so blaring. What's your take on that? The APAC situation is, you know, I went to a meeting of CBC members and this was in Mississippi and I didn't get any applause for it but I told them from the stage you all have to divorce yourself from APEC you have to divorce APEC

like that divorce needs to happen now because as long as APEC money is flowing into your coffers you're never going to be truly free to tell the truth about our foreign policy people it's not going to ever be acceptable even to MAGA people to spend American tax dollars for a genocide right it's just not acceptable with Bibi Netanyahu there.

So the APEC thing is a big problem for me. I like Hakeem Jeffries as a person. I do too. He's definitely a more effective leader than Schumer. No question. By far, right? He whipped every, he can keep his caucus together. He can whip.

Schumer no. And I think unlike Schumer, he's actually, and I don't mean this in a condescending way, he's teachable. Like, I think you can work with him. You can get him to where he needs to be. And the challenge with a House leader as opposed to a Senate leader, it's a little more complicated. It's why even when people were like, we need to replace Pelosi with a younger person, I wasn't for it.

Because I'm like, a house leader is somewhat different. You have to, it's a much bigger caucus. Right. It's very much dependent on your ability to fundraise for other people and to know everything about their lives in order to be able to know, like, who's got a grandkid coming and what do they need in order to get to where they need to be, to whip those votes is something you couldn't just put a green new person and have them be the speaker as much as we would like them. So he's been set up for that position for so long that I feel like it would be very difficult to replace him with somebody who would be as effective. I don't know that's true. But you see you kind of agree with that, that we should, he's our leader and we should focus on moving him, evolving him to the base. Plan A would be move him.

But I'm not against primarying anybody. To be honest, I'm pro-primary, period. Because I think primaries make you stronger. They make you sharper. They make you focus. And if it's going to take a primary to move him, that's another way to move him. See, that's what my thought is. I kind of want him to be primary

just because I want him to understand we are serious about moving the message, moving off APEC. We mean it. Chuck Schumer, I would love for him to get an opponent and get beat. But it's different. You asked about Hakeem Jeffries.

I agree. And I think a primary would sharpen the mind of Hakeem Jeffries. He would understand that people are, you know, I hate to say it, but the Democratic Party needs a Tea Party movement. Yes. They need a Tea Party movement. And it's like it's time to have, the only reason we have an AOC is a primary, you know?

Right. It's just, it's what has to, it's the only reason Charlie Rangel exists is that he literally primaried Adam Clayton Powell III. And people forget that. He got there by primary a legend. Right. So we wouldn't have had him but for a primary. So the only reason we got Corey Bush is she primaried the son of one of the founders of the

Congressional Black Caucus. Right. And she did that. because the people needed change. And so when the people need change, it doesn't, I once had a black woman who was the mayor of Miami Gardens Florida say to me, anybody can primary me.

Because I don't own this seat. This seat belongs to the people. And if you think you can beat me and I'm not doing a good enough job, she welcomed a primary. And that's the kind of politician I like. I couldn't agree more. Okay, we emailed with you prior to.

And one of your grievances, I think, is just something that ourselves and our audience will just sink their teeth in. It has to do with, Scott Jennings. Go off. Ooh, saw. I just, you know, I had Happy Philip on the podcast and I had to ask her about him because I think

there's a disingenuousness to a lot of Republicanism. All of us who have been in this journalism game for a long time know for a fact that most of the Republicans who serve Donald Trump obediently and live on their knees hate him. Right. We know they hate him. We know they don't respect him. We know that they don't respect him. don't, they don't believe anything coming out of their mouths.

I believe that about Scott Jennings. I don't buy it. His MAGA Act is so phony to me because I am old enough to remember when on January 7, 2021, he said Donald Trump was an outrageous sort of outrage upon the dignity of the Constitution. He wrote that down and posted it on CNN. He told us what he thought of Trump then. But then he went on and he says, I voted for him happily. But what kind of a man are you to understand?

understand this man trying to overthrow the government and you still live on your knees. There's nothing Donald Trump could do that he would say is too much for him. How does he claim to be this huge patriot and where, you know, I'm so sick of these pundits that wear the flag pin on their suit. It doesn't make you a bigger patriot, big boy. It makes you look like a pussy first and foremost to me because if you were genuinely patriotic, you would be wildly concerned about a man who tried to overthrow the federal government. If you're so concerned about anti-Semitism, this man pardoned a man at January 6th that had on a shirt that said Camp Auschwitz. You don't get to cherry pick when you care about these things.

And I just think the Scott Jennings of the world have done such a disservice to Fox News viewers that think, oh, I'm going to be liberal and watch CNN tonight. And then they go over and they're served this jet stream of propaganda and bullshit. And I just cannot imagine, as we sat here, we just criticize Hakeem Jefferies. We just criticize Chuck Schumer. What a puss boy you have to be that every night you sit down at a table and you speak for an audience of one. Right. That's great. Because he wants to run for office.

Let's just be clear. He has designs on the political office. He knows he needs Donald Trump's support in order to do that. to get the MAGA voters to vote for him. There's a rally. If you Google this rally, look it up on YouTube, y'all, where he is getting the add-a-boy from Donald Trump, patting him on his head like a puppy.

That's why he does what he does every night. He's his show pony. And it's like you want to be Trump's bitch. That's what you decided is your brand. That is a gross and disgusting brand. I'm a Democrat. Look how easily and freely. We were happy to criticize any Democrat.

Chuck Schumer. Hakeem Jeffrey. I criticized Barack Obama when he was there. And I worked for him. his campaign. I worked to get him elected. I didn't see my kids for 12 hours a day to get him elected. And I still felt free to criticize him. We're not in a cult. And the fact that he sits there night after night knowing I don't believe he believes half of what he says. And he still is willing to do it in order to entertain Trump. It's disgusting. And that is what I've absolutely had it with.

And the fact that he is giving the permission structure for other Republicans to pretend that loving Trump, the way he says he loves him, is patriotism. To me, that. To me, that's is hurting the Republican Party, you know, that part, my father was a, he was not a citizen, but he was a whole Reaganite. The Republican Party he thought existed is dead because of people like Scott Jennings. Yeah. If Trump is like a proto-fascist, which he is, and you're down with it, then you're essentially saying you're going to align the former party of Lincoln with fascism. Then, you know, there's no reason for me to respect you. Well, and they call themselves patriots while they do that. That's one thing that goes all through me is, oh, I'm such a

Patriot, Patrick, or Sean Duffy was like, I'm worried about air traffic controllers being patriotic. I'm like, bitch, please. I'm worried about lives. And do not tell me when you do not believe in the Constitution or the law that you're a patriot because that makes you an asshole, not a patriot. So that drives me crazy. But we talk about on this all the time that people get worse when they're in Donald Trump's orbit. So you said, you think Scott Jennings wants to run for office and he wants Trump's endorsement. Is that what corrupts these people, their moral collapse? Is it the proximity to power? Is it transactional? I mean, in your experience and from your bird's eye view, what does that look like? I mean, when I did my Trump book, I interviewed a lot of people around

Donald Trump that had known him for a long. And they said that he has this power to corrupt almost anyone in his presence, his solicitousness of you in person. You know, he tries to act like a tough guy, but in person he's very solicitous of people he flatters them and expects flatter in return and I think that there's a combination if you listen to people like Mitt Romney and then some people that I've spoken to about Trump there's a combination of hope and fear the hope is that Donald Trump can transfer the power he has the cult like hold on the base onto you so if I'm a Republican politician I glom on to Trump hoping that that that cult like following will vote for me and keep me in office That's the hope part that you can get

And then also maybe some of the riches will fall on you You know they're all over there trading crypto They're all over there committing crimes They're stealing I mean stop the steal Right stop the steal every day They're stealing and so they're like We can drain some of this money down on me

The fear is and a lot of politicians have said this On and off the record The fear is that if you don't obey him His cult will try to kill you And there are a lot of people who claimed And told Mitt Romney this And then Mitt Romney snitched on them and said people wanted to vote to impeach, but they were afraid that they'd be assassinated

by Trump supporters. Because MAGA supporters are armed to the teeth. They are rabid in their support of him. And it's a religion. And so they will commit jihad for Trump. And so a lot of it is fear. And the hope and the fear, I think, are what made people, you know, debase themselves. Okay. Let's talk about this because Pumps and I have been really studying this. And we had Professor Ruth Ben-Giott on the podcast that teach us about, you know, authoritarian's autocrats dictators. So they project the strength and they have to admit this toxic masculinity. When the dictator becomes frail, the cult falls apart. Let's just talk about kanks. We've got, you know, a concealer on the hands because they're bruised out the wazoo. We've got kankles as

white as the Mississippi. We've got bragging about taking animal identification test. He's blowing Bubba. He's trying to, you know, show pictures of a his wife holding hands. I mean, he is a shit show. I don't know if you heard the audio of him blaring, this old queen, blaring fan of the opera from the White House. Did you see that? Listen. Listen, when it's not that, it's YMCA. Right. Yes. On you or are we talking about it? With the Scott Jennings just pining for his endorsement, I feel like, and maybe I'm being an optimist, and maybe this is so stupid of me to say this, but I feel like the worm is turning. I feel like there were fissures in

MAGA movement a couple months ago that have turned into full-blown cracks. And I think at some point, Trump's endorsement, especially when you look at how we kicked every motherfucker's ass a couple weeks ago, is going to be your nail in your political coffin. And what does a, what are your thoughts on that? And then what happens to a Scott Jennings career, a Moses Mike Grindr Johnson's career, when they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with this M. F. It's, it's an, it's an Excellent question. Because if you think about the dictator in decline, right? The same thing kind of is happening in Russia where there's all of these stories that Putin is physically declining. He's sick, that he's ill. And that's when you started to see a Navalny start to really take hold because that those little fissures, when you're not clear, because there's no succession plan for a dictator, they intend to be in office forever, right? They don't intend to have anyone succeed them, which is why Trump can't even say Vance is his successor. No one is his successor. He's 20, 28, he's 2032. He's forever. But, you know, in the case of Putin, his physical decline is when there's a weakness that lets the wannabees start to come in and try to cease power. So he has to constantly project strength because they all fear assassination.

They all fear they're going to end up like Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein was strong until he was weak, right? And once you start to physically decline or you lose your patrons or you lose your power, you end up usually, you know, the way Chowchescu ended up. So they all are afraid. They're also constantly fearful when you're a dictator. So Donald Trump, I mean, the other day, he said he wasn't sure what they MRI. Yes. Right.

I thought that was fishy. Isn't that weird? Like, he doesn't seem to sometimes know where he is. Did you all see the McDonald's speech? Oh, my God. It was the biggest shit show I've ever seen in my life. I don't understand how people watch that on TV like Fox and are like, oh, yeah. Well, they edit it.

See, that's the other thing is Fox Sane washes him. They will never, during the campaign, he did all these. roundtables. Remember he did these roundtables with a lot of black people at them. Those things were so, when you watch the raw footage, you're like, oh my God, he's incoherent. But they chop it up the way 60 minutes did with that interview with Nora. They chop it up and then they use voiceover stuff. The media is covering up one of the greatest scandals. Biden, he was old and feeble. Right. Trump, my god, I'm on there, is starting to get a touch of dementia. He seems to me to have a touch of something's happening up here. Yeah. Because he doesn't always seem to be

fully coherent or know where he is. And that is the opening when the civil war, which I think is already beginning, is going to escalate. Who gets to inherit MAGA? Is it J.D. Vance, the couch boy who's got the brown wife who's a Hindu? Maga's not going to defend. He will not defend his wife. Or is it? That's why. Or is it Marjorie Taylor Green, who's doing exactly what Trump did. She is coming out criticizing the status quo. She's criticizing other Republicans. She's talking about Israel. She's talking about America first. Yes. And she if she is rebranding and it is real,

we will know that if she doesn't throw one marginalized group under the bus. But I haven't heard her do that. She's still a cherry picker. That's right. But she is doing exactly what Trump did in 2015. That's right. She's coming out beating up on Republicans, beating up on the status quo saying you were lied to,

you were conned. I got sucked into Q&ON too. Her political savviness is off the charts. But who has she been hanging out with? Steve Bannon. Come on. Who was Trump's advisor back then? Bannon. Bannon.

And he loves populism. Yes, he does. And so it's interesting. Oh, we're so on the same page. When she gave that interview to Dana Bash, where Danabash says, are you doing this because Donald Trump basically said you're never going to be able to win statewide in Georgia? Because there's been a rumor for a minute that we've been hearing in the weeds that she wanted to run for either governor or Senate and that that's why she's rebranding herself.

Because it's definitely a rebrand. Right. She's standing by the women. For sure. Standing by the Epstein victims. She's talking about cost and affordability. All the things Trump used to talk about, right? And I said to myself when I watched that interview,

that lady's not running for governor or saying she's running for president. Absolutely. She thinks she can inherit the MAGA crown. This is Game of Thrones. And because the good care is, okay, he's the kid king in Game of Thrones that was like torture people. He's Joffrey Braithian. And Joffrey is weak and on his way to go and where, right?

They can see that Joffrey is weak. And the hand of the king, I think is the Supreme Court. They think they can control him. And they feel like we want a dictator, but we feel we can control him. Trump is now a little daffy, and so everyone's charging for the crown. Vance has a problem in that the base of MAGA is fundamentally racist. I know people don't like it when you say it, but it's the emergence from the Tea Party to MAGA. Tea Party, when you finally did the actual data, PRRI and others, the thing that most motivated them was race and hatred of non-white immigrants.

What most motivates MAGA. Hatred of non-white immigrants. They're obsessed with non-white immigrants. Undocumented people, they use the term illegals, which is just the N-word for brown people. If you want to say the N-word and it's about brown people, you say illegals. I'm sorry, I said it again. That is me saying the N-word about it. That is what it is, right?

And that's what motivates them. So they can't have the successor to MAGA be the guy with the brown Hindu wife. They're also Christian nationalist. That ain't going to work. That's why he's throwing his wife under the bus, poor Usha. Or she's in on it, right? And she's wicked to. Slapp and tickle with Erica Kirk's the weirdest shit I've ever seen.

Yeah, she's like in her Tammy Faye era. Okay, holding on the back of his head and rubbing on his head. Some weird shit. Baby, don't do that to Jason. I'm going to start thinking something's going on while you holding the bigger his head. I'm like, you're not doing that right thing. You're supposed to be a widow. You're in leather pants.

That's not widow wear. Could you imagine if wouldn't it be the most perfect fairy tale, mag or fairy tale? Yeah. If he finally sees the light that he needs a white queen instead of this brown Hindu. I mean, I'm not saying that's happening. Right.

Or maybe that Ush is not even in on it. Maybe she's whatever. But that's one entrant. Another entrant is frankly Donald Trump Jr. If he can, you know, you know, move it together. Because he's got the name. He's the son. Yeah.

Maybe it's him, right? Right. And then there's other entrants. Bannon can't do it because he's sloppy and look a hot mess. And everybody's like an ugly man. You know what I mean? He's hideous. That's not going to be him.

So it's like, well, who could it be? Charlie Kirk was said to be one of the contestants to inherit the throne. Well, he's gone. And then the other person who's in, there are two other people who I think are potential inheritors that we don't talk about as much because neither of them are politicians. One of them is Tucker Carlson. Totally. Who has been positioning himself for a long.

When he's not getting attacked by demons. In his sleep. That's fucking crazy now. Come on now. Let me ask. He says it out loud. But honestly, if you were Beelzebub or a demon, who best to get into bed? I want to tell you somebody that's on my watch list.

And the other one is Nick Fuentes, but go on. Yes. But let me tell you who's on my watch list that we, nobody's talking about right now. And I can see this very clearly happening. Nikki Haley. She has stayed quiet. She's sitting over there. She had a pretty good primary.

And she's going to resurrect and say, we need to get back to our family values Republican roots. we need to channel Reagan, we got so far away from our party, and I can totally see her positioning. She's staying quiet right now, letting it all go. She's sitting on boards, making money. Yeah, but I can, she has always wanted that. And she was a pretty good candidate, not my cup of tea, but as far as- She seems sane. Yes, exactly.

And I can see her claiming to be the Republican savior. So let's put her on the watch list. We'll put her on the watch list. But the other person I would say is Nick Fuentes, who I actually think is the true inheritor of Maga, to be honest, because he's openly racist. He's not hiding it. He's not phony. He's like, I'm racist. I'm against the blacks. I'm against the Jews. He just says it straight. He's, you know, on the right side when it comes to the issues of genocide, and everyone has run to that side, right? But he's, he is an evil version of, well, I mean,

an even more evil version of Tucker. He's a younger, more evil Tucker. And I think he actually speaks to the base the way Trump spoke to the base, but he does it unadulterated because he doesn't have to pretend to be political. And so I think they're trying to fight him because I think a lot of them understand that he might actually be the person running for that crown. And the Heritage Foundation is fine with that. The Heritage Foundation has been playing this long game long before Trump came in. And they gave it its blessing when Tucker sat down with Nick. But did you see this video of Nick Fuentes? You know, sometimes if you're on your You'll have like a Candace show up because she says something anti-Israel or anti-Netaniahu.

And then a Tucker will show up or Nick will show up because even assholes have moments of clarity, right? So I saw this in my algorithm, this video of Nick Fuentes, you guys. And he says, it's crazy with anti-Semitism. Like I can say a bunch of racist stuff about Muslims. I can say a bunch of racist stuff about black people. I can say a bunch of racist stuff about immigrants. Nobody in Maga gets mad at me, but if I say something about Israel, he's lecturing them on the most racist neo-Nazi on the planet about how they do not connect universal human rights.

They're getting lectured by Nick Fuentes on how crazy indoctrinated they are about this Israel thing and what blinders, moral blinders they have on about it. But I can totally see Nick Fuentes too. And here's the thing. Pumps and I talk about this a lot. You know, there's kind of degrees of Republicans. There are the cult, the people that, you know, triple Trump, they got the Trump flags, Trump nuts on the truck, the whole nine. And then you've got Country Club Republicans, which we grew up around in, especially in a red state. You know, white folks, upper middle class, upper class, exactly. And they're the most insidious because the Country Club Republicans that we know, they're cultured enough and educated enough. that if they were to come spend a weekend in New York

and somebody said, do you like Trump? They'd be like, oh, God, no. But they delightfully, very quietly, and most insidiously, went and voted for him because their racism is just right under the surface. But if they want to hang out with a black friend or a gay friend, they can do it. And they're the most dangerous.

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Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. And, you know, if you think about it, just having done this Maker Ever's book recently, you know, when you're in Mississippi and you're sort of studying the way it worked, there was always the clan, which was the lowbrow racists who basically were allowed to do the purge, the violent underclass of whites. These were lower working class whites who were running the store that the black person shopped in, the people that owned the store that Emmett Till went in and then they ended up killing him. That people, those people had a shop, but they sold to black people. So they were concerned. lower class, but what they got in exchange for being, you know, on the side of the high class racist at the top, they got to do the purge. They could kill any black person they wanted with impunity. They could murder, rape, run wild through the black community and nothing would ever happen then. They could kill at will. That was the people who were in the clan. Some of them were cops. There were sheriffs. They were murderous. And then there were

the White Citizens Council. They had the exact same ideology. They had the same beliefs, but they had on a suit and tie, and they owned the shops where white people shopped. They owned the banks. They owned the insurance companies. And they wanted the same outcomes, which is a massive underclass that had to work for low wages. Because at the end of the day, everything, even racism is all about the Benjamins. Slavery, Jim Crow, it was all about having a massive underclass of low wage labor that could never rise, could never ask for rights, could never be unionized and had no choice but to work for you for nothing. That structure still exists.

that is the same structure that is crazy because i've just never heard it put to me in such historical factual ways but she and i talk about it all the time the layers of racism and then you get to what i call country club republicans that are polite cultured races and then know when they can flip it on and when they can flip it off and that's exactly what you describe and it's insane that those structures are still so and they still want the same thing right right i mean what the what the what the elite in this country have always wanted was what slavery gave them in the first place, right, which is perfect capitalism, low, low cost of labor, in that case, zero cost of labor, and high unlimited profits without taxation. And that is it. There isn't anything more complicated

to conservatism. They want low-cost labor, and they want unlimited profit without taxation. How you get there is the question. And the easiest way that I think the right has figured how you get there is that you keep the big class of people who could really fight you because they have the numbers. And I mean white people. You keep them on your side while giving them nothing economically. You offer them nothing. But what you offer them is whiteness. You say you get to be white, which means you're better than the blacks. You get nothing else. You get no money. We'll take your farms. Tariffs will destroy your lives. Everything gets destroyed. But you stay with us because we're white. You're white and we're white. And that's what we have in common. But in fact, you had people

in the past like Fred Hampton that we're trying, and King at the end, we're saying to white working class, white poor folks saying, hey, you know what we have in common? We're broke. Right. You're broke. The Latinos are broke. Them Asians in Chinatown are broke.

What if we all got together? That's the most dangerous kind of politics. It's what Mamdani is doing. If you can get to people and say, put aside the white thing for just a hot second and think about what you have. You had a 400-year head start on these blacks and you're still poor.

Yeah. Make that make sense to yourself. Yeah. And maybe think about a different kind of politics where you really do vote your pocketbook, not your color. Right. If that ever happened, no Republican would win ever again. And they know that.

So they keep the racism going. They keep the hate going. It's very useful. And so the country club types love racism. Oh, yeah. They just don't want to be tarred with it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's light. That is just, all of that is so true. And when you think about how brilliant and diabolical, Republican long-term game has been in attacking blue cities where multiculturalism really exists. You can't name a big red city. There isn't one. So when we all live around each other and we have to cooperate, your neighbor could be black or speak a different skin color or maybe came here from a different country, it erodes that whiteness that you feel in suburbia and cookie cutter like, you know, where you live. I mean, it's just very, it's a very white homogenized

place. And when you get into big cities, you can see how effective they've been, which pisses me off about Democrats. Let's be not on Democrats a second. As women who've lived in red states, our state, 50th in education, 50th place for women to live, 40th, 9th in education, I can go on and on. It's a bottom five state. And they've had a MAGA super majority for 25 plus years. The last time we had a Democratic governor, I think was 2011, education was ranked 14. 14. Since they went all MAGA, all in, all Republican, it's dropped to 50th. And I think Democrats have got to do a better job attacking the fact-based evidence about how these people have been lied to and politicians have done the grossest, most disgusting thing imaginable, use their

faith to get them to become worse people and drive holes in their community. And Democrats have not messaged that well. Not only not messages well, but when's the last time a Democrat was in Oklahoma or Mississippi or Tennessee? Or when did the last time they spent real money to try to win races in these states? They're absent without official leave in the whole South. And Democrats, first of all, they have to get better at just showing up. When's the last time Democrats went into the hills of West Virginia and said to those poor people, most of whom don't vote, by the way? Poor white people don't vote.

Poor people don't vote. Poor white people, poor Brampe, they don't vote. They generally just sort of let it happen, right? But if you went into the way, I mean, Bishop William Barber goes into the hills of West Virginia, those people want the same thing that we sitting around this table want. They want a decent life. They want to be able to feed their kids. They want to be able to have a decent home that they can't lose.

They don't want to, you know, go broke because they need health care. They would like to go to a doctor every so often, go to a dentist. They would like normal things. They don't have them. But they're left out there, not just by Republicans who couldn't give a shit about them. As long as they stay racist and stay angry at gay people and the trans people they'll never meet, they're happy with them. Democrats just don't go there at all. They just don't go there.

When they do, look at Andy Bershear. Right. Look at what happens. And I think knowing the psychology of the electorate in a very religious state, and Pumson and I can speak to this, and Andy Bershear, I'm an atheist. So when politicians start talking about religion, I'm always just like, shut up. It doesn't matter what the religion is. Jewish, Muslim, Christian. I don't want to hear it.

I'm a secularist, but we live in a very religious first world country. And so when you hear Andy Bershear, and we had him on the podcast, and he talks about his faith and that it calls on him to not judge people and to show compassion and meet the marginalized and help strengthen them. And he refused to throw trans people under the bus, which would be such an easy, trashy thing to do that you hear Democrats flirting with, which I think is a horrible idea. But when he went and spoke to them, they voted for him. And this is fascinating.

So in Oklahoma, if you poll everybody, they're all Republican, right? Oklahoma City's 50-50, but the state at large. But when you poll the people of Oklahoma individually, are you for gun control? Overwhelming numbers say yes. Are you for a woman's right to choose? Majorities say yes. We took the vote to the people of Oklahoma, Red, Ryan Walters, dump, truck, extraordinary, Oklahoma.

Do you want to legalize marijuana? This was a few years ago. They legalized it. So it's crazy to me that the Democratic Party can say, okay, line item issues, these people are progressive, but they always vote big R. And it's just such a miss. It is such a miss that the Democrats don't have a 50-state strategy.

I agree. And it's a brand problem. Yeah. It's the same way in the South, Republican was a dirty word. for a long, long time and just saying you're a Republican was enough for people to just keep voting Democratic when the parties were flipped. And so the brand is the issue in a lot of these red states because they view the brand as associated, to your point, with these cultural things, with gay marriage and with trans. And so they just, that's it. They don't, they don't,

pronouns. Pronouns. Right. Right. Black people. Brown immigrant. They're just like, that's that brand. And so that people won't even hear. you if you're saying you're a Democrat, which is why a lot of the successful candidates go in and they just talk about their values, or they're not a Democrat. They're an independent. They're working families, et cetera. But I think the Democrats, the first thing they have to do is they have to actually get in these states and start to organize. Like Louisiana, I think, is a perfect example. It has one of the largest black populations in the entire country. And yet you can elect a Democrat statewide in Michigan that's only 12% black. Louisiana is like almost like 25% black. And you can't

elect a Democrat there? It's because it's a, but you can, right? They had a Democratic governor for the hot moment and they actually got Obamacare. For that moment that they had a Democratic governor, John Bell Edwards, for that four years, that precious four years, they came up off of, they used to be almost down where Oklahoma in education. They lifted. They are the incarceral, they are the carceral state of the country, right? They are the biggest incarcerator of humans in America, Minnesota. They actually reduced their level of incarceration and child incarceration, they started to come back. But then along came this new governor, who's basically Satan, and ran on a harsh pro maga and took all of those wonderful

benefits away. You think about Andy Bashir, what did Andy Bashir have when he came calling? Yes, he talked about his faith. He also had that daddy. Because what the daddy did is he did what John Bell Edwards did in Louisiana. He brought them health care. And he was smart enough to say the brand Obamacare hurts me. I'm going to call that thing connect. it's called Connect. You want health care? You want Connect? They're like, yeah.

Then this is the dad. The dad gets Connect in under another name, not Affordable Care Act, not Obamacare. Connect. Then he terms out. He does his two terms. The next guy who runs, runs saying, I vow to end Obamacare.

Ew, all right. He gets in. Then he tries to take Connect. Right. And people went, hold on, hold on, hold on now. I don't like Obamacare. don't touch my connect. And people didn't make it.

At the time, I was working at TheGrio.com. I was managing editor at the Griot. We sent PBJ, Perry Bacon Jr., who's from, he's actually from Kentucky. He goes down there and he goes back to his hope down and he's asking people, man on the street, do you like Obamacare? And they go, hate it. Do you like connect? Love it. Do you know that they're the same thing?

No, it's not. They were just denied it, right? And then so other journalists started doing the same thing. People just didn't know they were the same thing. But when they figured out those were the same thing, they ran that man out so quick and put the sun in. They said, I want that Bashir boy in there because the dad, they can remember in their lifetime that the Bashir's had their back. And the government served them. And the same thing happened in the BBB.

I can't even call it what it is. Right. Medicare, Medicaid, in Oklahoma is called Sooner Care. Yes. And so in each state, it's called something different. And typically, when you think about FDR, the reason. The reason why they had to term limit him is because when government starts working for people, they like it. When you allow laborers to have rights and unions and insurance and pensions, people like it.

I'm sure you have friends from Europe, these friends that live in Paris, and they're so proud that women get one year off entirely to stay at home with their child. they're very proud of the retirement age and recently they tried to raise it and the French are always on strike They were in the streets right but they they take pride in these and they don't it's never branded as a mooch or you know a parasite

and I just think we need to do such a lot of messaging the Democrats while you know messing with the politicians we have chuckles out Hakeem you're on watch yeah probation yes but I think I agree that I can get behind him if he can move some and acknowledge where the base is heading.

But at the same time, the Democrats have got to start messaging to people in all of these flyover states and all of Magualand. And some of this Magaland are in blue states. You have been lied to for decades long before Trump. You have been lied to. Look how rich Elon Musk is. Look at how rich Jeff Bezos is. And they're so entitled, they think that you should. pay a higher percentage of your income than they should.

Yeah. And it's diabolical to call something big and beautiful when its only purpose is to make a temporary tax cut for the super rich permanent and make the temporary subsidies for regular people temporary and to keep them temporary forever. That's what that bill did. And in order to try to people, Democrats are bad at storytelling. Yes. What they should have been saying is what this bill was doing is to, in order to gut four

$4.1 trillion. All our grandchildren's grandchildren are going to have to be paying this debt, right? 4.1 trillion for mostly rich people. To pay for that, they started with Doge. They said, we've got to find some money. We can't make this before a trillion. Let's try to find $2 trillion by cutting out waste fraud and abuse.

Doge goes in there, slashes away at the government. They get rid of USAID. They fire all these people. All these air traffic controllers are leaving. They're making everyone take buyouts. They end up with like $100 billion in safety. All of that destruction got them like $100 billion. They didn't get close to even $1 trillion.

So they're like, well, we got to find some money. You can't touch Social Security. That's $5 trillion. You can't touch that. The old people will be in the streets. Where can we get a trillion dollars? Oh, Medicaid. Always go to the poor.

They went and they ate almost a trillion dollars, $800 billion. They scooped out of Medicaid to pay for that tax cut. So people need to understand when these Democrats were supposedly fighting for a hot minute, they were fighting for them to not take what little was left. They took almost a trillion out of your Medicaid. Hospitals were already going to close because of that bill that they then diabolically called Big and Beautiful.

To say it was beautiful to give the rich the biggest tax cut in history. And it was beautiful to take $800 billion from the poor who needed health care to destroy hospitals. They didn't destroy hospitals in New York. New York people are going to still go to the hospital. But in Oklahoma, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas. y'all, y'all are screwed. Y'all are good and fucked because of that bill.

And now if you had Obamacare, you double-fucked. Because now not only will you not be able to get health care, everyone in the ER, y'all worried about undocumented people. You know where they're going to get their health care in the ERA? And you know who pays for that? You. Exactly. So you're triple-fucked because of that bill.

And they were fighting to hang on to that last little $0.3 trillion, $300 billion, would have made that thing extended. That's nothing compared to the tax cut. But Democrats didn't say that. They just said things that didn't mean anything. And then they gave in anyway, and now people are going to basically lose their health care because it's going to be too expensive. It's really pathetic. Listener, the hot book of the summer.

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Had it. It's like my pet peeve. Ever since Starbucks, which is on the BDS list, I don't go there anyway. But when I used to go to Starbucks, baby, when they say following guests, it drives me crazy. And I try to not be like a grammar Nazi anymore. I'm like, let me not try to correct people's grammar. But following guests doesn't mean anything. If you have a list of people, a list of five people, and it says, well, the

following guest pumps please come forward because I knew that she was there will the following guest Jennifer please come forward that's how you use following guests if you just say following guests and you don't even know who the people are it doesn't mean anything just say next just say next I know it sound rude to you but that's the correct

whatever I hate following guests it makes me cringe in my spirit I get so angry that it's like it's actually unnatural how angry I get when I hear following guests just say next at it okay had it or hit it tech bros had it had it they're surveilling us and they're weird have you ever heard a peter teal talk oh my god it's fucking nuts what is happening what's his side hustle about the rapture the antichrist crap the antichrist what the fuck is that think he's telling us he's the

antichrist he looks like it he's changed his whole look everything i mean it's it's nuts and people don't know who he is i was with some girlfriends and one of them's like i don't know who that is and we were all like you have to get on your phone. Like, it's so serious. And then they come out and they're like, oh, my God. He and Elon Musk, they don't all seem all there mentally. And yet they're in charge of us. They have all our debt.

Peter Thiel has your data. Yeah. Think about, watch him and then know that he and Elon. And then watch him. They have your data. That terrifies me at it. I just can't believe that we just kind of let Elon Musk walk in to the Oval Office with a black eye tripping his balls off on cadets while his kid rubbed a booge.

on the desk and we just moved on. He rubbed a bugger on the bed. He rubbed a booger while his daddy was higher than a kite and everybody's just moved on from it. And he told him, shut up. It's not, you're not my daddy. He's in charge. That's the, that was, okay. Can you imagine that kid in the store?

I said I want Oreo cookies now. And he's a weird. It's like he's in charge of the day. What is happening? Yeah. It's nuts. Had it. All right.

Had it or hit it, Ted Cruz, 2028. we were just laughing about that only if he changes his name to Raphael the Canadian that's who he is go by Raphael Rabafin he doesn't get it no he does not understand how much people hate him they hate everyone hates I think his kids hate him yeah yeah I don't think anybody like his neighbors hate him does his neighbors hate him everybody the neighbors whistle blue pumps had her nose to the ground when they went to cancun pumps would call me She goes, the neighbors are talking to the press about how much they hate him.

Right, like you, these are people they thought were friends that they were going to vacation together. And they hate him so much. They didn't just leak it. They called a reporter at the New York Times. Oh, my God. They hate him.

Even his beard hates him. You could tell us trying to jump off his face. It's like, get me a, get off of him. I want to be on you. nasty. Okay. Had it or hit it, Bubba Gate. I hit it.

Baby. I mean, I'm so there. Baby. I wish it was Bill Clinton because this is the this is the T I need I need to know who Bubba is I want to know what Trump on his knees I want to know what's Trump with did he I mean I want to know everything was he a spitter I need to know because he did that thing with a microphone where he was fillating it he acted like he knew what he was doing he's talking about he looked like a expert he talked about that man Junk yeah how did he know what it looked like yeah I need to know who Trump is with when he's with them is Melania jealous or is she glad? to not have to deal with it. And she's saying, go ahead, Bubba, you take it because I don't want it. I hit it every day.

I need it. I need to know who Bubba is. And if it's not Bill Clinton, if it's not Bill Clinton, brother. You know, Geelaine Maxwell's horse name was Bubba. This is all I want to talk about. I don't even want to talk about nothing else. Just this. It's crazy.

24-7. I want it so bad. So bad. My daughter, who, like, Kemp, this week. And she calls me and she goes, mom, did Donald Trump give Bill Clinton a blowjob? It's all over TikTok. And I was like, that kind of is the running theory. She's like, and these Christians are all for it? Like, apparently. How do he hold it with his little hands? That's why he's probably so good in his mouth, because his hands are so little. Especially if it was Geelaine's horse. Those hands are quite large. Oh, Donald, you scam. Oh my gosh. I love it. And you know, here's the thing in any other world, you know, Mark Epstein came out and said, hey, it wasn't Bill Clinton, but he didn't deny that any of it happened. He also didn't deny the part that Putin had evidence of it. So all these national security Republicans for years, the nauseating Scott Jennings with the national security lapel and I believe in national security. Now it makes perfect sense, Helsinki, the bend over in Alaska. Because Putin, we all thought it was the P-P-Tape, it's Kanks Blowing Bubba. I mean.

And then I also wonder, what does Bibi have on him? Same thing about it. Right? Because if you think about it, Gilein Maxwell's father was Mossad related. And then you have Jeffrey Epstein, who a lot of those emails, he's very also pro-Israel. He's also buddies with A.uBarak. So it's like there's all this Israel connection. There's connection to Kensington to the crown.

and then there's connections to Russia. There could be multiple national security challenges with Trump that multiple countries have dirt on him, dirt on the president of the United States. Which is why we need the details. That's right. Spit or swallow. We need to spit or swallow.

Who is better. Or a little human. Ours or a human. Ew. All right, Joy, last one. Had it or hit it, the United States of America. I mean, we're kind of. of like we're like a ghetto vibe in a trench coat or whatever we're like a are we like a we're like a we're like a we're like a ghetto in a

Gucci belt or something like that yeah is that's that something like that America in some ways is kind of it's kind of like my daughter just came back from Japan and they have like brand new amazing infrastructure and super fast trains and it's like we're like a broken down like uncle like we're an old unc that needs like a rebrand we're an aging porn star right we're an ageing porn star right And it's sad for me because I think the, my parents were immigrants. So they came here with this real hope about America and they had this kind of rose-colored glasses view of what America was supposed to be. My mother very soon found out about the racism and she was like, oh, this is not what I expected.

I didn't know that was going to happen. But I think there was this old, America has the most possibility of any country. It's not built for a caste system, which is a good thing. It's built to actually create an ecumenical. multiracial democracy, but it isn't functioning. So I'm still America. I'm still going to say hit it, but it needs a reboot. It needs an, it needs an HGTV makeover. It needs a bikini trim, this porn star. It needs a whole bikini. It needs a Brazilian. It needs a Brazilian. Ispontong is hairy and nasty and it needs to get fixed. Joy Reid, this was exceeded all

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