I've Had It - DL Demon Queens of MAGA

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

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Pumps is traveling to go see her son in Houston. So Kylie is subbing for pumps today. And as you can see in the background, I wrote in her office, I hip lesbian office world headquarters behind her. So how, Kylie, how are things going in the lesbian world headquarters? They're going good. I've got a lot of pressure filling in for pumps and a lot smaller tits, but I'm going to do my very best. You are, but all of that is true.

All of that is 100% true. Kylie, what have you had it with? Okay, I've had it with everybody having birthdays. And I just feel like I'm going to have to tell people and remember to text them happy birthday until I die and if you forget it's the end of the fucking world and I have a friend who has an Excel sheet where she keeps track of who doesn't tell her happy birthday so that she knows so that she knows who not to tell back so like I just am over it I don't remember anyone's birthday I send 60 emails a day and then I'm done talking to people okay let's she has an Excel

spreadsheet and she keeps inventory of people that don't wish her happy birthday yeah I've seen it it's itemized my name she said this out loud do you like these are the people who didn't wish me happy birthday held his person now 30 but she has my salary disorder you know undiagnosed maybe but this is a real thing yeah I mean that is fucking crazy I mean that is the histrionics involved in that the self-importance it's that is wild. Is this a functioning adult? It is. Married. I mean, I think a job, gonna breed. It's just a problem for me because I can't remember that

stuff. Let me ask you this. Is that off-pitting for you? Like for me, that would make me like kind of thing. I don't know if I want to be this person's friend anymore. Honestly, no. This person is my friend. It's like for 15 years now. As long as the crazy doesn't come at me. I rarely care. Have you ever missed her birthday? Hell no, because I know about this Excel sheet. That's wild. That is, and is she mad? Like when people don't, is she hurt?

Yeah, and it's like, it's the same people that use an unfollow app, you know, about these, that it's a separate app you download. And if someone unfollows you on socials, it tells you. And they do this, they do this so that they go unfollow the person back. people just care a lot about this like wait a minute so you get a notification if somebody unfollowes you and then you go

tip for tat it's it's tip for tat that's what all this is people care so much wow I'm just I'm kind of speechless about all of that yeah it's a scary world out there

but I will say on the contrary if anyone forgets my birthday i'm like well i guess our friendship doesn't mean much to them so it's twofold wait if somebody forgets your birthday you think that yeah i want people to text me happy birthday oh you do yeah so you're kind of similar probably yeah but i just don't want it turned on me i'm a hypocrite is what it is okay i'm that way about the environment i want to be an environmentalists. I know climate change is real. I do very little to combat it. Nope. Yep. Yeah, I'm a total hypocrite on that. I absolutely don't care if people don't text me on my birthday. And sometimes it gets so overwhelming by like 5 or 6 p.m. I'm like, enough. Enough. It's not that big

of a deal. It's a birthday. Everybody has one. I don't, let me ask you this. Does the girl who has the spreadsheet, does she celebrate a birthday week, birthday month? I'm sure she's done a birthday week. There's no doubt in my mind. I mean, I haven't lived near her in a long time, so I'm not like privy to all of it. But there's no way you have a spreadsheet about who tells you happy birthday and you're not celebrating a birthday week. Yeah. Well, that's, that's very alarming to me.

The list, the reveal that you yourself get upset if people don't text you, happy birthday. Yeah. What is that about? I don't know, because I don't even, I get annoyed on my birthday and to respond to everybody because I don't like texting people. I copy and paste. Thank you. I copy and paste into everyone.

But it's just if no one texted me, I would be pissed. So it's like, what do I want? I would say if nobody texting my birthday, if not one person, I would probably be like, oh my God, the irrelevance of that would be a fatal blow. there's no question but like when acquaintances like I have some people on my birthday the text stream is literally because Facebook or you know or social media sharing stories then everybody knows it's your birthday I have several people where the text stream is only on my birthday happy birthday Jennifer me saying thank you happy birthday Jennifer me saying thank you and it's like

four or five years and that's the extent of our communication and I think if you're going two, three years with zero communication, you don't have to wish each other happy birthday. It's kind of like an item of clothing. If you haven't worn it in two or three years, donate it, get rid of it. You should send that on the next one. When there's six happy birthday thank you's in a thread, you should be like, happy birthday, I think this is the last one. I think I'll call a relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let me tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with. And I think we've discussed this before. But now that I'm living in New York, it's a it's a real issue for me listener kiley is abundantly aware that i am a very fast walker

and i don't realize how fast i'm walking it's just i just do i have one pace when i walk and kiley's kind of a famous non-walker like she can get less than a thousand steps in one day so as i'm trekking down and my french bulldogs moved to new york with me and they are excellent walkers and we go on walks every night and it's somebody who's walking in front of us and they're at a good click too and then all of a sudden stop right in the middle of the sidewalk with no announcement don't step aside and then cha cha tubs me we're all just banging into the person so i've had it with that and then i told pamps this story but i think i should tell you and the listener So day two of me being in New York, I took the subway to Soho to get my hair colored.

And as I'm walking down the subway steps, there's a guy kind of lying on the steps before I got to the part where you pay. And he's masturbating. Sure. Okay. Yeah. And it's kind of like I'm walking down and I see the motion, see that his pants are undone. I didn't quite see the peen or anything like that. but and i was like it kind of takes i was like oh that's what he's doing and then he looks up

directly at me and he says i'm coming and then he did no yeah so i thought a couple of things about this number one that's disgusting for sure but number two i've still got it no exactly my first thought you know what i could be like oh my god that's so disgusting but then i got on the subway and i was like you know welcome to new york jennifer i mean what if he had looked at you and it killed his boner like i would think about that forever that would have been far more devastating than the money shot i agree it's disgusting and i never want to see it but if it's going to happen, I at least am glad I could help. Take it over the finish line. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I think, welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer. I'm Kylie. She's a H-B-H-B-I-L. No, H-L-I-C, head lesbian

in charge. And it kind of is like H-Lick. It's kind of, that's kind of good. I should call it. Brand. So listener, Pumps went to Houston to see her son. And she was like, I'm going to change the flight. I'm going to push it back. And I said, don't. We film a million episodes all the time.

Go enjoy the time with your son. And Kylie's subbing in one day Pumps is up for me. We're practicing codependency. I have had a podcast, Independence. Independence. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do we have any reviews of this podcast?

We do. Up first, I've got a five-star titled Jennifer and Angie, something, something. It says black, yes, capital B, Christian, Chicagoan woman here dropping by to extend a public invite to the black cookout to Jen and Angie. These two get two lifetime passes, but it will be revoked if they bring potato salad with raisins. To attend the amazing cultural event that is the black cookout, it's our circle of love. This podcast is thoughtful, honest, funny, and Jen and Angie show what it truly means to be an ally to the marginalized in this country and world. Thanks for keeping it real. Thanks for holding politicians feet to the fire.

Loved your interview with Jeff Duncan. Thanks for speaking to the grief of this time. And thanks for exposing these performative Christians wishing continued success. That is so nice. Very nice. The cookout, which I think all white people should aspire to be cookout. approved white person for sure. And then we have to keep exposing the performative Christians because they're just too much. And the politicians on both sides is very important. That's what

the right doesn't do. And I think that's why you guys make such an impact. I mean, our inbox is full of positive and negative, but a lot of positive because people just feel so seen when you say these things to politicians on both sides. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I've got one more, five stars with love from Buffalo. Courtney says, saw a woman sitting next to me with the podcast on her phone while we were both awaiting mammogram results this morning. Made me feel a little better to be next to someone like-minded.

Keep fighting the good fight. Love this pod and anyone else who is listening. That's so nice. The podcast has actually been a really good litmus test in public for me. Like, I was getting some work done in my car and this, like, guy, blue collar, I just assumed he shouldn't know what I do for a living. And then he texted me after because we got to talking about it. He was like, I'm a huge fan. And so was my wife.

And I was like, it's how I find safe people. That's a really good point. I was at the pet food store in Oklahoma City before I moved. And a couple of the people that work there, I thought for sure, MAGA, right? And they're like, hey, I've been watching your clips. And, you know, and she said something like, I am so fucking done with Trump. So I don't know if she was maggot at some point. But no, it's, I kind of feel like everything right now, when people say, I'm not into politics,

I just think that's such bullshit because everything is political right now. Everything. We're literally in the fight for, you know, our democracy. And I agree. it's a really good litmus test it is and saying i'm not into politics is someone who is just embarrassed to say their views i think because i agree i think they're embarrassed to say their maga mm-hmm what about uh do you have any friends that have cut you off i don't i i've had friends that used to talk about the podcast a lot when it was more um surface like when we talked about

casserole or the h-o-a and they would text me all the time big fans and then I noticed a lot of them die off when it became more political. Yeah. It's a great way. It's a great way to eliminate. This episode of I've had it is brought to you by booking.com. Pumps, I've got to say, if you're looking to grow your vacation rental business, this is the place to be. Booking.com is one of the most downloaded travel apps in the entire world and for good reason.

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His name is Tommy Vitor, Viator. Tommy, are you here? I'm right here. How are you? How do I pronounce your last? Vitor. It's fine. It doesn't matter.

Vitor. No one cares. Let's welcome to I've had it. Tommy Vitor. Tommy, how are you? I'm doing great. I'm very excited to do this. Thank you for inviting me. I'm very excited to do it too. And I was so upset because your staff at Cricket contacted us and wanted us to go to CricketCon. I know.

I can't go because my youngest son is a freshman at USC and it's parents weekend. That exact same weekend. So I'll be in L.A. You can't miss that. Working mom his whole life. Like, I have to show up to all of that big stuff. So you're a good mom. We'll miss you. It would have been very fun. But you know what? let's let hopefully it'll be good and we'll do it again yeah if we still have democracy we'll do it right details details all right Tommy what have you had it with uh I have had it I've had it with getting beaten by the biggest fucking losers on the planet um I'm thinking about Stephen Miller thinking about Don and Eric Trump I'm thinking about all those racist assholes featured

in that Politico story with their little telegram chat where they're talking about how they love Hitler and have you seen photos of these people? Yes. My friend sent me a tweet that said they looked like they were genetically engineered to survive golf cart crashes because they're just, I saw that. Goofy looking. Anyway, I'm so tired of these losers beating us and there's being this perception that Maga is cool and that that is the ascendant part of the culture and it is just wrong and it's driving me crazy and we can't let it happen anymore.

I couldn't agree more. I mean, I always say to pups, I'm like, we cannot lose our democracy to these fucking dorks. I mean, Stephen Miller is the worst. The worst. Absolute fucking worst human being on the planet. And then you get to J.D. Vance, who is a failed drag queen. He is a failed drag queen. He wanted to be a drag queen. He couldn't do it. He wasn't fabulous enough. He goes off to Peter Thiel's gay boot camp in Silicon Valley and he comes out like a sociopathic queer-eyed freak show you know he'd be so much cooler if he'd just come out and you know I have this whole theory Tommy that in the MAGA movement there's a group of DL demon queens and I think that a lot of them are mad that they can't come out and feel pride and so they browbeat everybody all day long And then they get on Grindr at night and then they go do gay stuff and they wake up.

But I think they think like the Mike Johnson of it all, he's such a nut evangelical. I think he thinks, okay, I can't stop doing gay stuff. But if I make America Christian nationalists, then I'm going to curry favor with God. I grew up in a red state around all these evangelicals and they think shit like this. The repression. No, I'm sorry, interrupt. You're so right about the repressed. There's so many people who are repressing something and then acting out in a way that is evil and cruel towards the part of themselves that they hate.

You just see that over and over and over again. Yeah, it makes me crazy. It makes me crazy. What about dumb and dumber? That's what I call Eric and Dawn. They are. So there's a story in the Financial Times this week that says the Trump family organization has made $1 billion with a B. in realized gains from just their cryptocurrency business since he's taken office.

Like these people are making out like bandits and they are just looting the U.S. government and they are trading favors left and right. I mean, Trump went to Egypt to the Charmelshek Peace Summit thing and he's on stage and Prabha Subianto, the president of Indonesia, like grabbed them and started asking him a question. He's like, do I talk to Don? Do I talk to Eric? And he's like, call Eric. He's a good boy.

And they're just doing a like a real estate deal on stage at this. at this peace summit like what's happening here you know the thing is when i think about it it's every single day there's like five to seven impeachable slash above the lead um corporate media meltdown moments but it's all just kind of skimmed over it's all just kind of normalized the fact that like to me trump's dementia is so pronounced it's so obvious like every night he has like sundown hour in the oval it seems like and everybody's standing around him for his show and tell and i have this theory i think that like the the peter teal the uh stephen miller the jd vans of it they're like okay we're going to give him design projects he can work on his redecorating

work on his ark to trump we're going to keep him super busy with that while we go shake down everybody and everything just keeping busy totally because he doesn't have the intellectual capacity to stay on to do all of these diabolical things he's down with it but he doesn't have the staying power to see it from start to completion because a lot of them don't have anything to do with him yeah and well i mean he doesn't have staffers he has fluffers right i mean everyone is just there to tell him he's great and it's this constant just like nauseating process of this stroking this man's ego or something else um and yeah it's hard to watch And Peter Thiel, by the way, is apparently in the midst of doing like four nights of these lectures about the Antichrist in San Francisco.

You could pay 200 bucks to watch Peter Thiel tell you about the Antichrist. That's a thing people are doing now. Like, what's the, okay, what, and I had to look him up because this is an interesting, like, case, psychological case study. So he's gay out of the closet, married, has kids, total Bible thumper. And like, puts as a side hustle, does conferences on the answer. Christ. Why? And he decided he doesn't think that democracy is great anymore. And he wants to do away with it with his buddy Curtis Jarvin and move us in the dark enlightenment. And here's the thing. I wish Democrats would grow up here and just start saying shit like you're going to let. And I know the messaging, we don't believe in this in our core, but it would resonate. I feel like we play two different games. And I feel like some Democrats need to say, you're going to let some guy that was born in Germany, raised in South Africa. Africa, comes over here, gets tax loopholes, and he's going to decide we shouldn't have democracy, and he's queer-eyed J.D. Vance and owns this guy, and you're going to let him destroy the country,

but it's all this pussy-fitting around with the Dems. And to me, it seems like such a layup to take these guys out, and they get their feelings hurt so bad. Like, I've been going viral for 24 hours because I said J.D. Vance doesn't defend his mixed-race kids and his wife of Indian descent. right wing is melting down. I mean, they're losing their minds because I said that. They're such titty babies. They can't even take it. They're so sensitive. I mean, you're right. Like, Democrats, I think, sometimes think, here's the way we win elections. They stack this many accomplishments and we stack this many. And it's like, nope, the way politics works is sometimes you need to pick an enemy and you need to demagogue an issue and you need to fight and make people think

that you're on their side while the other guys are on a different side. And one thing I've been watching and is driving me insane is the Trump. administration right now is floating this proposal to bailout to Argentina. Why? Because they're crazy president, this guy, Javier Malay, is nice to Trump and shows up at CPAC, these right-wing conferences. And you know who's going to benefit from this bailout? BlackRock, Pimco, hedge funds, billionaires. It's like, this was designed in a fucking lab to be the most politically damaging thing I've ever heard. And by the way, meanwhile, farmers in Argentina are undercutting U.S. soybean farmers by selling their crops to the Chinese and these American farmers are about to go bankrupt

and yet we're going to give a $20 billion bail out to this country. How is this like light yourself on fire and go in front of the White House and talk about this? Here's the problem. The Democrats don't talk about it and so guess who's filling that void right now? Marjorie Taylor Green. Yeah. She is tweeting that. The Democrats are not having moral clarity about Israel and guess who is Marjorie Taylor Grange? So you have this nut who has a lot more political savviness than I ever thought, who is a grifter, who is an anti-Semite, who has the most nefarious of intentions imaginable, but she hangs out with Steve Bannon all the time, who is a political strategist, a nut, but a smart political strategist. And they're filling this vacuum because you know what

they see? They see that in this authoritarian, Trump has to emit strength in order for it to stay all intact he's got bruises on his hands cancels dementia his makeup looks like shit he's cheating at golf more and more and so he looks like this frail person so the fissures and maga are happening so the smart maga people and i know that sounds like an oxymoron it is but the most opportunistic maga people see this void that the democrats will not fill and so as a person who lived in oklahoma city for 51 years I know what the electorate, Oklahoma City is perfectly purple. It's 50-50. I know what middle Americans think.

And when a politician says people in Israel have health care and people in Israel do not have student loan debt, that's going to hit hard in fly over states. And if the Democrats don't fill that void, then some grifting anti-Semitic opportunists like Marjorie Taylor Green is going to fill it. And now, Tommy, they're talking about changing the 20s. billion to Argentina to 40 yes well because why not double it well let's just double down on this this guy's an insane person by the way the president of Argentina used to carry a chainsaw to events because he was going to chainsaw the government then he gave his chainsaw to Elon Musk and CPAC is like why not give a man coming down from ketamine and a chainsaw what could go wrong with that and also he's talked about

how he's got this corrupt sister who's his only advisor he talked about um talking to his dead dogs to get political advice like this guy's fucking bonkers and we're like yeah there's 20 billion there's 40 billion why not did you see his concert that he put on oh my god yes it was like it was like it was like low rent rolling stones you know community theater rolling stones doing like 80s cover songs in a leather jacket with this crazy like wolfman hair you know i thought it's so hard to out crazy trump yeah it's so hard to look like a bigger asshole than trump and when i saw that concert i was like he did it nailed it sir Yeah. Credit to you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about Kylie. Our producer told me that you listened to the Corey Booker episode. I did. Okay. I have a lot of thoughts. Okay. Let's just start with the Israel stuff because that's where I was like screaming at the phone. And I felt like I was really glad you pushed really hard. So what what I found frustrating was you were making really valid important points about how Americans don't want to support a country that is bombing kids.

in Gaza, right? And a lot of his answers were deflection and what aboutism. And just to summarize, like a lot of what he said was like, what about Sudan? And what about U.S. support for the Saudi-led war in Yemen? And I just want to address those two issues quickly because those are very important, and I care deeply about both. And so when it comes to Sudan, we need to restore the work USAID was doing because people are starving to death in refugee camps right now. And then the U.S. needs to crack down on the United Arab Emirates because they are funneling weapons to the RSF, which is the other half of the civil war happening in Sudan. So I'm with Cory Booker there. And then on Yemen, he was like, what about when Obama was supporting the Saudi-led war in Yemen in 2015 with like refueling logistics?

And that is true, like the Obama administration, which I worked for. I left in 2013, but they did this after. They were providing like logistics, intelligence support, et cetera, and then arm sales. And then there was this awful airstrike on like a funeral or a wedding or something in Yemen. So the administration paused and then cut off that support. But it was a mistake for the Obama administration to do that. But like we're talking about a thing that happened 10 years ago, right? And but like setting that aside, like I'll take on those issues. I'll talk about them anytime. What the U.S. does for Israel is just an entirely different category. And to suggest otherwise, I think, is dishonest. Like the Congressional Research Service did a report on U.S. military support for

Israel. And they stayed in clear text. The Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the U.S. has provided. 174 billion in military assistance to Israel. And on top of that, there's all this diplomatic cover at the United Nations. B.B. Net Yahoo is a ICC indicted war criminal for starving kids to death, for bombing populated areas. And like, we're welcoming this man to Washington. He's been to the White House, what, four times?

There was that awful picture in the Senate that you mentioned. It's like, this guy is a corrupt. racist who before this war started was trying to shred Israel's judicial system. And so like I've heard this argument over and over again from people like Senator Booker and other Democrats I fight with about this that's like, well, I want to be in the room and I want to make my case to his face and not have these disputes spill up publicly. And I just want to say to them, what is that accomplished? What is that improved?

What did you did you break through with this corrupt racist war criminal in your in your meeting with them on Capitol Hill? No, he doesn't give a fuck about what Democrats think because BB Netanyahu wanted Donald Trump to win. And he also, he wants you to lose your election. And let's just like be clear-eyed about that. Right. No, I completely agree. I knew when he was throwing Obama under the bus, who is, because he brought up his parents being civil rights activists. And then he's, and I kept kind of probing him. And then he, when he threw Obama under the bus, which I agree with you, Obama was known as a drone president. And there's an argument to be made there, but that's a separate conversation than the one at hand. And Obama is universally

beloved. I knew that he was underwater. I have a lot of thoughts about all of this. So I've always been the Democrat in this red state. And when you live in a red state, you are more domestically focused, especially if you live in a red state because they are coming after civil liberties. They are Christian nationalists. Nothing that is happening right now on the national stage surprises me much because that's the way it was in a deeply religious red state my whole life. Local politics were just like this. And so of course I knew about Israel and of course I knew about Palestine, but when you live in Oklahoma and the oceans are a far long way away, I'm not trying to sound glib, but you don't care that much because you have politicians that are trying

to take away your right to an abortion, gay marriage, all sorts of. of things. And so, you know, I had kids. I was an interior designer and then obviously get more and more and more into politics. And that, when you see what's happening in Gaza, it's a moment where you think about when you learned about World War II, who is speaking out? Who is going to stand up for these people? And so it was something that I really started digging into. And then I've been so shocked at the Democratic establishments take on so much of this. And then when you dig into it more and more, they're all beholden to APEC. And then when you realize that APEC gave Trump just as much money to get elected as Elon Musk did, and then you start opening your eyes up more

and more. And so when we first started talking about politics, obviously a bunch of white women, it was Heartbreak Hotel. They were really mad at pumps in me because we weren't maggot. And then we start talking about politics more and more. And then a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago, we were the moderator for Kamala Harris's book tour in LA. Super cool thing to do, right? And then the leftists were really mad at us.

And I wanna be clear about this to the Democrats. As much as Cory Booker and Hakeem Jeffries and Chuckles Schumer piss me off and what weak, duplicitous, bought and paid for politicians they are, I would claw through 10 feet of concrete and get my fingers to the bone to go vote for one of them over a MAGA Republican. Beautifully said. Because I have lived in a state where these MAGA Republicans have had super majorities.

And in Oklahoma, it's ranked 50th in education. You got some nut who just resigned. Who's the biggest closet D.L. Demon Queen. I've ever seen in my life. Obsessed with trans people, obsessed with porn, trying to annihilate teachers unions. They do away with workers' rights. So as much as disgusted as I get with corporate Democrats, I know what's on the line to vote for them. They're not my first choice.

So I feel like as we navigate this, and I'm able to have Cory Booker on the pod, and I'm able to talk to him about the things that I think are important and vulnerabilities of the party right now and the party's messaging, it's also important for people to understand he's not my first choice. But I would walk barefoot uphill for 10 miles to vote for him over a fucking Republican. Totally. Totally. And like I first of all, I loved every minute of that rant. I feel the same way. It's like sometimes political debates get so flattened. It's like, you know what? We're all adults here. Like you don't get everything you want out of life. It could be infuriating and frustrating. And sometimes our choices are bad and worse. But worse is worse. You know what I mean? And better is better. So, like, let's just, like, put on her critical thinking hats. And, like, the other part of the Booker, the sort of domestic political conversation with Booker, like, I get what he was saying there when he was like, my voters care about the economy and my voters care about me getting funding to get these lead pipes replaced because lead is devastating for kids. And I got that from the Biden administration.

And I think that's all, like, totally fair. And that's important. And that is his job. But, like, the disconnect there was like, you're an activist. You know what I mean? Your job is not to, like, you're not serving consistently. your job is to push him and other Democrats from the outside to be more progressive because like the squeaky wheel gets the grease like you know what I mean if you're hearing from

only the pro-Israel side you're going to lean that direction if you're not hearing from people who are concerned about the war in Gaza you're going to think there isn't a constituency and also like I feel like what a lot of Democrats are saying when they say they want their leaders to fight harder is like we want more harm reduction like I get the Cory Booker trying to like pass things that are good, but like Trump is devastating communities right now. And it's like, how can you throw your body in front of that to block it? Like, I think that's what people are calling for. Yeah, I completely agree. And I think my heartache with Cory Booker was real. Like I as a person, a liberal person that's not religious at all that lived in this Bible thump or red state,

I mean, Republicans out the wazoo. Politicians like Cory Booker or Hawkins, Kim Jeffries or Nancy Pelosi were like for me it was like okay good somebody gets it somebody's fighting for me and then when I see like this is a 911 all hands on deck and we're voting to confirm uh what's his name Kushner yeah you know my thing is like you have to be a credible messenger senator Booker you have to have credibility and so when you say you care oh my god look at what ICE is doing look at what ice is doing with these little kids and sending them into court, and they don't have a lawyer. And these five-year-olds are standing in front of a judge.

That is abhorrent. And Corey did a whole Instagram reel on that. And then you find out that he, you know, is funding and consistently voting. The only bipartisanship that I see right now is the support for Israel, which Israel, the government at least, favors MAGA, which is interesting to me because all the anti-Semites I know are Republicans. evangelicals or the most anti-Semitic people I've ever met. But the credible messenger part of the Democratic Party is super important to me right now. Like if you can't cherry pick which kids you care about, which is why I, you know, I care about Israeli safety. I do, but I also care about

Palestinian safety. I care about both. And I feel like the Israeli propaganda tries to force you to pick one, to value one over the other. But that's kind of the government they're trying to set up, is an ethno state that favors Jewish people over others. So they're projecting that onto us. And I think there's a massive vacuum here, Tommy, a massive vacuum. And grifters that are truly anti-Semitic are going to fill this void. And the problem with all of these fuckers that are playing patty cake with these fascists is at some point the knives are going to be turned at you. The Latinos for Trump just found this out. I don't know how they didn't see the mass deportation now signs, but now they're getting deported and they're starting to find out.

But I want to make one more point about Kamala. For a lot of people in this country, if you're gay, if you're trans, if you're a woman that lives in a red state and you were raped and you had to travel. And this is very real. This happens all the time. You had to have somebody sponsor you and go get money and try to sneak out of the state to go get an abortion because you don't want to have your rapist baby. A Kamala Harris candidacy for that person who doesn't think in terms of the global stage meant a lifeline. Living in a red state for so long, I understand that. I understand how important that is for so many marginalized people. And on the left, I feel like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Like if you don't go far enough left, then you're ridicule.

And I feel like as we build our tent and structure it, the people that piss me off the most in this tent are the Corey Bookers and the Hakeem Jeffries because I can't understand. And this is a question I wanted to get to with him, but he had to go vote even though the government shut down. Why he hasn't endorsed more on Mom Donnie. Yeah, that's crazy. I find it the caution around Mom Donnie's race is. is exhausting and infuriating.

Like, he is a really exciting, cool, young politician with some really progressive positions who seems like fundamentally a very decent and good guy. And the idea that the leadership of the party cannot back him for some strange, mysterious region is just, it's pathetic to me, it's absurd to me. And it's also like, hey, guys, do you think this is really going to save you?

Do you think the Republicans aren't going to try to suggest that you believe everything that Mamdani believes at the next election? Of course they are. So just sack up and, like, support the guy that is exciting people, especially young voters, and actually able to communicate with them. Like, in a way that, like, no one has done since what, AOC kind of came out to the scene. Like, this is sort of like a step change in terms of just the ability to communicate a message and values and actually seem credible to people. Like that credibility gap is not, it's not being, the problem's not being solved by a lot of Democrats.

And I don't know why he doesn't just say something to the extent that Zoron's a little bit further left than I am, but I believe in democracy and I believe in the Democratic primary. I think it's very Trumpian that Cory Booker and chuckles don't endorse him. I think it's giving Trump. It's giving Trump vibes. And we are supposed to be the party that we believe in free and fair elections and this person's the winner and they won't endorse. And one thing I wish I would have said to Corey on the interview is he said a lot of people don't know who Chuck Schumer is and that's true. A lot of people have no idea. But at this point, in this moment, everybody should know who the Senate minority leader is because that's how loud and that's how much hell they should be raising. Everybody in America should know exactly who is the face that's fighting for them that is the closest proximity in the House and Senate to get things done.

And the fact that Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are not household names right now tell you what a shitty job they're doing because I think the Democrats like I heard what's that old guy's name from Louisiana that did the Clinton campaign manager? Oh, Jesus Christ, James Carvel. Him. Okay, James Carvel. He said his, he is a political strategy and he may have evolved since then. So I don't want to pigeonhole him into this. I heard this a couple of months ago that like when your other side is really messing up, just sit back and let them mess up. And if this was a Mitt Romney presidency or John McKinsey, yeah, let him step in it.

But this is different. And I think the fact, I wish I would have pushed back on him on that, that they're not being that loud is evidence to what a failed resistance they're putting up. Yeah. Look, I mean, I like you, I think of my best comebacks in the car on the way back from the argument. But like, honestly, I have the same thought as I was listening. It's like, yeah, like our leadership, we're not great messengers. great communicators. And in this moment, I think there is a huge void in terms of everyone kind of looking around the party for leadership. And then like some Democrats are surprising.

Like Chris Van Hollen, Senator from Maryland, was not someone I was like super familiar with. But he went down to El Salvador to try to get contact with Kilmar-Abrigo Garcia during the Sincott stuff. He's been really out front and a leader on all things Gaza. I'm like seeing someone like that step up and inspire you. Like that's cool and important. But I'd like to see I'd like to see lot more of it from leadership. And sometimes I worry with Schumer that like a lot of this is age and just kind of like coming from a different era and this this lingering belief that like, oh, Republicans will come to their senses after Trump. And, you know, we can go back to the old ways where we like kind of negotiated things in good faith and got drinks later. Like I just,

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Yes or no. And he couldn't answer it. My husband said, you think Trump would blink? You think he'd think two fucking seconds before he'd answer that? And that's the difference. They're playing two different games here. The Democrats want to govern incrementally and word salad and all of this rhetoric. And I just don't think it resonates anymore.

And I remember when Trump first came on the scene, when he went down the escalator, nobody thought he was ever going to win the primary, Tommy. But when he was at the debates and he was browbeating Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I would cancel plans to go home and watch those debates. I remember like there was a party. My friend was like, I'm sick.

I got to go home because I wanted to watch that because he would say, be like, hey, Rand Paul, your hair sucks and you're ugly. And you're like, oh, my gosh, we can do this now? This is great. But yeah, no, Trump, look, I'm not a big Trump fan. He is incredibly successful and adept politician, in part because he says what he thinks in an unvarnished blunt way. And I think, like, on your Gaza point, like, I'm with you, right?

I think most voters are not primarily focused on foreign policy. However, like, they've consumed information about the war in Gaza for the last year. They've heard it called the genocide. They've heard about the ICC. they've heard about kids getting starved and bombed. And when you can't just speak candidly about that or when you seem like you're dodging or ducking, they start to wonder, hmm, like, what else is this person not being straight with me on or like, why can't they tell me the truth here?

Like, what is it about them that is just, it gives you a bad feeling? It just makes you think that the fix is in on them. Because if you can't say Benjamin Netanyahu's a war criminal, which I think is just an objection. I mean, it's just true. It's just a fact. And that he, you know, and that he knows on some point because the photo shoot where he's kind of like hiding. Yes. And it's the more you open up your eyes to it for me, as somebody who was like an MSNBC Democrat,

I was a good Democrat. I watched MSNBC every night. And I hosted fundraisers for local politicians. They always lost in Oklahoma. But I did my part, right? I had Obama signs in my yard. Hillary signs in my yard. But the more I open up my eyes to all of it, the persons whose message has aged the best is Bernie's.

His message has, I remember I put a Hillary sign in the yard and my son was like, Mom, you're such a centrist. I can't believe you don't have a Bernie sign in your yard. How I managed to raise liberals in Oklahoma. But my son was kind of right because those policies have left an incremental governing and the wages not raising and the wages. wealth disparity has created this, this vacuum. And when Trump comes in and he's saying Lion Ted and he's beaten up on people, it makes people feel like somebody's fighting for them.

And he gives that state of mind. And I think it would, I'm really impressed with Graham Platner out of Maine. I think somebody like that would really resonate well in in flyover states because he's just very plain spoken. He calls people out. Mom Donnie is so talented. It's a shame that he wasn't born here because he has the ability to stay classy and cutting all at the same time. I think he's just very impressive. But who do you think the like if we if the election were the primaries were next month for president, 28, let's fast forward. Who would be your top three that you think would it would narrow down to? I mean like I just want to start this by being honest that like I'm just not really impressed by anybody right now. And like I'm not, I'm not

trying to duck your question like i'm happy to talk about names but like i want my look when i was um you know in in 2004 i worked on the john edwards president campaign we lost to john carrie uh i was trying to figure out what the hell to do with my life i was sleeping on a couch broke and jobless like waiting to get a job and i found brock obama i read his book i got obsessed with it and i was like i became obsessed with working for him it was all i wanted to do it inspired me it excited me and it's like I'm not looking for that again because I'm old now and you know kids and can't do that shit but like I I want someone to make me like pound the table yes you're you're getting me fired up and so there are people I think are really talented like I think Pete Buttigieg is

really talented you could throw that guy on Fox News could be a 10 on one interview like he will hold his own he will do and say impressive things I think Gavin Newsom is fighting harder than anyone and I'll be honest like back in the day I did not like Gavin Newsom in like the 2008 era. He was on the other side of the Clinton Obama thing. I had some hard feelings about him. I sort of thought some things in his record were shitty. Then I met him. I interviewed him a couple times. I spent time with him. And I was like, God damn it. I really like this guy. It's so annoying. Like he got me like that. He's funny. He wants to win. He's like, he's like, he could be on this show and he would just hang out with you guys and you would have a blast.

So I'll pause there because I don't want a list a billion people. But like, I don't know. I want someone to like make my heart flutter that you mentioned though I feel like this is what we need to start talking about is what I talked about with Corey so I believe Pete kind of face planted on your all's podcast with a Gaza question correct? Oh big time yeah yeah and then recently uh Gavin was asked about APEC and he who's always such a smooth operator you can tell like hamster just starts taking off on the well and he's like interesting you're asking yeah that's weird interesting That's weird. I've never thought about it. I feel like these people, if you want to run on a national ticket, you better have a good answer for that. And they think this is the difference. The Magabase is stupid. They're not, they read, I'm sure I'll get ripped for that, but I don't care. They read information and watch information that is not fact-based. So they think they're really well-informed. On the left side, we are more informed. And so I feel like a lot of them are treating us like we're stupid.

Like with Corey, I feel like I felt like the whole thing was an insult to our intelligence that he can say, of course, he's a war criminal. And all of that filibustering that they do doesn't work so well. And I feel like whoever the next nominee is on a national ticket better have a really good fucking answer for that thing because the right machine is already seeing curtains on Trump. They already see it. He's frail. Biology's going to catch up with him any minute.

And so they're seeing a post MAGA electorate. And Marge is positioning herself. Tucker Carlson is positioning himself. I think he could run. And I think if the Democrats do not start talking about this in a smart way that addresses it instead of playing dumb and possum, it's going to fuck them. I really do. Yeah.

What I heard from Senator Booker was just like it sounded so defensive. And it's sort of starting at this place where it was sort of like, it was almost like suggesting you were unfairly singling out Israel out of some animus. And it's like, no, man, like people are talking about this because there's been this horrific war that has filled our TV and social media feeds for two years. And I don't want to, I don't want to see any kid die. I don't want to like, I don't want my tax dollars to go to bombing kids in Gaza. And it's just like, like, that's not singling. That's not an anti-Semitic thing to say. that's not singling out a single country, that's like being self-aware that we've given, what,

174 billion dollars to Israel and military funding. And like, we are viewed as a party in this conflict. And I think that honestly, some terrorist group a decade from now is going to blow up some bus full of tourists in Greece or someplace. And it's going to be because of the war in Gaza and U.S. support for that. And I don't want that to happen. So like that's that piece of it for me. On the APEC front, I just think we should just be clear about like kind of what APEC's goals are like the it's an organization that essentially is demanding that everyone vote the kind of Netanyahu line um if you stray you get attacked like I got called an anti-Semite by the head of the ADL for suggesting that BB Netanyahu drunk dragged Trump into war with Iran which is like

self-evidently true but I think but I think like for Democrats is like hey APEC wants you to lose they primarily intervene in Democratic party primaries and take out progressive candidates so let's just like be just just be honest about like who what this organization's values are and if you want to be associated with that okay but like don't don't tell me i'm wrong for raising it i agree i completely agree and i think it's sometimes it's been a difficult conversation for a lot of us to have because i have i'm an atheist i've always been an atheist but i have a lot of jewish friends and in oklahoma all of the democratic fundraisers that i would go to the most progressive people there were jewish people we have very small jewish community i sent my kids

to a Jewish preschool. And so I understand from having Jewish friends, the dark cloud that you must grow up with, reading about World War II and the Holocaust and how horrible that is. But I also have some Palestinian friends. And I have to value both of their suffering and both of their dark clouds the same and not get preferential treatment to either. And I think the emotional blackmail that is being put on by Israeli propaganda style sites to emotionally blackmail us, that when we say that we see something that is

morally wrong, that if we say that, then somehow we have to tiptoak as we're going to be called an anti-semi is just wrong. And I think this situation is craving a Democratic leader that can come up and speak factually and truthfully about this. Put the kibosh on all the APAC money, like you said. They always want the Republicans to win. Okay, Tommy. Let's play our game. It's a world famous game. Had it or hit it. Gavin Newsom's played it.

Your former boss, Barack Obama's played it. Now you will play it. Oh, my God. Welcome to Had it or hit it. I would hit it. I would hit it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay.

Had it or hit it, Miss Rachel. Hit it. I love Ms. Rachel. She's on all the time in my house. Also, she has been like speaking up for the humanity of Palestinian kids. These monsters attacked her for it. This group called Stop Anti-Semitism suggested she was funded by Hamas. I made this video, like defending her and calling these people insane, so now we're friends

and we texts. She's the nicest human being in the planet. Stop attacking Ms. Rachel for caring about children. Sorry if I'm going on too long, but it's outrageous. No, I love that. So she followed me and followed the podcast on Instagram. So I should have her on. I asked her, but I think she's busy.

I mean, I will. I'm going to have run. So I screenshot and circled it and sent it to my nephews. I have an older sister. So my nephews are like in their 30. and they have little toddlers right now. And they were freaking out, freaking out that Ms. Rachel had followed me.

She's the queen. Had it or hit it, free speech hypocrites. Hit it. I'm tired of these people. I'm tired of these people. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I've had it. I do not want to have sex with all the people

trying to kick you out of the country if you were critical of Charlie Kirk. Yeah, no, I'm so sick of this hypocrisy. You know what I mean? Like remember Elon Musk used to tell us he was a free speech absolutist? Where'd that go? You know, where'd that go for Jimmy Kimmel? Where'd that go for any, any student here who happens to have, like, written a completely

vanilla banal op-ed about how, like, the war in Gaza is bad? Like, I just, I'm so tired of this bullshit. You guys do not care about free speech. You care about speech you like. You want that to be free. You know, these guys are such babies. Pumps and I call them titty babies. They just, the list of things that they're triggered by, Jimmy Kimmel, bad bunny, white,

liberal women, Mexicans, black people, Colin Kaepernick, and it grows drag queens, gay people, Pod Save America, guys. Can you imagine navigating a remote control if you were a MAGA Republican? Can you imagine the mind filled that that would be? I mean, these guys are such pussies. It's unbelievable. It goes back to your very original grievance that we're getting beat by these total fucking pussy dorks that are terrified of jimmy kimmel stephen colbert and bad bunny yes yes and the president and the vice president are like number one they log on to twitter they find something to be aggrieved about and they write these like op-ed-length screech should you have something better to do have you seen that guy speaking of op-ed link tweets his name he's a big uh bill acman that guy

total nut i mean can you imagine here's my thing about these bill Can you imagine you have crushed capitalism? Yes. You haven't flown commercial in decades. You can do whatever the fuck you want to do. And then you saddle up with Trump, like that's your legacy. You don't leave some sort of thumbprint that you did something good, that you did something earnest, that you really help people.

Your legacy is going to be writing novels on a white supremacist website named Twitter for a man that cheats at golf that is dumber than a box of hot rocks it's unbelievable they're so whiny it makes me insane like yeah go get on your PJ go to stad or something whatever you people do exactly okay had it or hit it ted crease um I'm hesitating because uh Ted was the only person who actually took a principal position on the topic we just talked about when Kimmel was suspended and said, actually, no, this is bad for the FCC to do that. And so George Bush had a famous line with the soft bigotry of low expectations, but I'm tapping that ass right now.

I'm hitting it. So Ted Cruz, Pumps and I always say, we have the most unfuckable men in America's. And Ted Cruz was number one forever. And then until the rise of Stephen Miller. And now it's neck to neck. Like Stephen Miller, Ted Cruz, obviously neck to neck. But something glorious happened. Ted Cruz, I was on scene in the other night, and I was bashing J.D. Vance because he wouldn't condemn the young Republicans.

And I was like, you know, you have an Indian wife. You have mixed race kids. Magif, he won't stand up for them. He's not going to stand up for you. Ted Cruz retweeted the clip. Here it is. So good. He writes, this is disgusting.

Leave his kids alone. Which, Tommy, I think this is so rich coming from the guy. who Donald Trump called his wife ugly, said that his dad assassinated JFK. And then Ted Cruz is literally like feigning tears at the RNC screaming. God bless Donald Trump. It's unbelievable the moral collapse that happens when people capitulate to Trump. It's like one tiny centimeter. And then progressively they become worse and worse and worse each and every day.

everybody in his orbit becomes a worse person that was what a ridiculous whiny baby especially when you think of the broader context which is like donald trump and republicans have spent the last five or 10 years spending the majority of their time like demagoguing trans kids right and like you know saying the meanest things they could possibly say to a community and attacking them constantly as part of just like a political prop so ted can fuck off uh he is a little city baby. Should I take back my thing? No, I'm glad he said what he said about free speech. Yeah, but you still have to, you have to, you have to have had it with Ted Cruz. You can have the caveat that sometimes assholes have moments of clarity. Yeah. That's it. Ted had a moment.

Raphael had a moment of clarity, but he sucks. He will always suck. He's undefeated at sucking. Well, actually, I mean, Stephen Miller probably sucks more. Okay. Last one, had it or hit it, the United States of America. Oh, I'm hitting it. I love this country. It's a great country. We got to fight for it. I think what I'm excited about, right?

Today's Friday, the 17th, tomorrow, Saturday, no Kings. There's going to be millions of people out on the streets protesting in their own unique fun ways in Portland. They'll be doing naked bike rides. Of the terrorists, the terrorist rallies that we're all going to tomorrow. Yeah, no, yeah, that's exactly right. The Hamas-fueled terrorist rallies we're all attending tomorrow. No, but it is like, look, the first Trump administration, it was like out of the gate, huge protests, women's March, March for our lives, right? There was this solidarity.

There was this feeling that we were pushing back immediately. There was a reminder to Trump that he had not won the popular vote, that we had the numbers and there was strength in that. And this time, it has just been the opposite, right? It is this void. And we are all feeling it and we're all looking for our leaders to step up. but I'm sick of waiting for them. So I'm really excited for everybody to come out this week and be on the streets and to be protesting. And so that's what I love about America, that we can still do that, that you and I can say the meanest things imaginable about the White House.

And we're allowed to do it. So I'm going to hit it. Okay. And now tell our listeners about CricketCon. Oh, yeah. CrookedCon is coming up. It's what the hell date is it? I know it's, I know when it is.

It's parents weekend. that's right that's right yeah no it's up cricket con is uh in dc on november 7th we are trying to get uh the least annoying politicians the smartest activists and uh strategists together to just get in a room and talk about the future of the country what we can do better how to fix things how to fight um i'm going to do a nerdy thing about progressive foreign policy i'm excited to do it it's always fun to see people in person um i think we desperately need to convene more. Republicans are really good at this, like CPAC, they bring them all together, all these goobers in a room and they figure stuff out. And we gotta do it. So I'm very excited

about CrookedCon. So go to crookedcon.com if you want to come. Cool. All right, Tommy, I just so enjoyed this. It's been long overdue. Thank you so much for having me. You're like the only person in my TikTok these days. So it's really great. I feel like, I feel like, you know, this is a big deal for me. Oh, thank you. We are huge fans of Pod Save and all of the work you do. And I agree with you that we all need to unite and collaborate as much as possible. And I just appreciate it. Thank you so much. This is really fun. Okay, bye. He's cool, right? I love him. So smart. Oh, I would be so scared to be in a room with any of the pod save guys and try to hold my own. Yeah, they're all very, very smart. They're all good looking guys too. I think that

They're like the O.G. Left political podcasters. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're all great. Well, guys, Kylie, thank you for subbing for Pumps. Make sure you check out CricketCon. Make sure you buy our book. Life is a lazy Susan, a shit sandwiches. And we'll see you next.

When do we see you, Kylie? We'll see you next Tuesday and Thursday. Thursday. Thursday. All right, bye. I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that.

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