I've Had It - Good Not Great with Josh Peck & Ben Soffer

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Jennifer and Pumps are joined by two of our favorite podcasters, Josh Peck & Ben Soffer, the hosts of the Good Guys Podcast. Josh has had it with yoga instructors who think they're now some kind o...f "spiritual giant" and Ben has had it with the insanity of tipping culture - ESPECIALLY at a self-checkout. Jennifer puts the boys on the spot with a salacious Had It or Hit It question that leads to Pumps revealing a very scandalous answer. Come see I've Had It live on the Hot Sh*t Tour! More info & tickets available at https://linktr.ee/ivehaditpodcast and subscribe to I've Had It wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you to our sponsors: I've Had It is brought to you by Cologuard®. Are you 45 or older? Start screening for colon cancer with Cologuard, an effective and noninvasive screening option for adults 45 and older at average risk for colon cancer. Rx only. Learn more at Cologuard.com/hadit. This episode is brought to you by Peleton: I've Had it Podcast is brought to you by Pelton. Find your zone with a 30 day worry-free home trial of Peloton Bikes. Visit onepeloton.com/home-trial. ZocDoc: Go to Zocdoc.com/IVEHADIT and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then find and book a top-rated doctor today. CareOf: For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com and enter code hadit50 Subscribe to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/IveHadItPodcast Follow Us: I've Had It Podcast: @Ivehaditpodcast Jennifer Welch: @mizzwelch Angie "Pumps" Sullivan: @pumpspumpspumps Special Guests:  Josh Peck: @shuapeck Ben Soffer: @boywithnojob The Good Guys Podcast: @goodguys

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I've had it is brought to you by Peloton. Find your zone with a 30-day worry-free home trial of Peloton bikes. Visit one peloton.com slash home dash trial. Ready? One, two, three. Judgeges. Judy Diana strikes again. One time wasn't enough that time. Yeah, you don't have to, I know, but I like it. I kind of, I think that was overkill. I know, but I liked it. Okay, what have you had it with?
Starting point is 00:00:35 What I've had it with is bridesilas. And we've talked about bridesilas before, but this was a new thing that I just learned. A new bridesilat discovery. A new bridesilat discovery. Lay it on me. They are now when you RSVP to a wedding, they're having you pay like a cover charge
Starting point is 00:00:53 to come to the wedding. And so they're inviting the guest, you have to pay a double cover charge for the guest. And then this article I read, not only that, after you pay a cover charge, you pay a guest cover charge, cash bar, then at the end of the night when you go to close out your tip, they add the location fee to each guest's tab equally, so that the guests are paying for the location.
Starting point is 00:01:23 that the guests are paying for the location. That is the level of narcissism. I couldn't even imagine. I mean, that is class A insane. Let me process this. They were charging the guests for the wedding. Yes, they were charging the guests for the wedding. The guests paid for the wedding. How many people showed up?
Starting point is 00:01:43 It was like 110. 110 more on's. 110 enablers. That's exactly what I thought when they were when the story was unfolding, I thought when I had to pay a fee to RSVP, I would have an RSVP. That is fucking that's okay. Let me tell you what I've had it with. Okay. You go out to eat me with about, I would say four or more people, somewhere between four to eight. Okay. You go out to eat, you're with about, I would say four or more people, somewhere between four to eight. Okay. And then three on trays come out. And everybody sits there looking at the three people that have their on trays. And you say, no, you guys go ahead
Starting point is 00:02:18 and they're like, no, no, we'll wait. You wait 10 minutes. You wait 20 minutes, and then finally the other people's entrees come out. I've had it with untimed, untrained delivery. I could not agree more. I think it's unbelievable. See, the Karen and me would have solved that problem immediately. It would have never gotten to the three-minute mark. This is where your flirtation with caronism. I want to scold you. I want to mold you to be
Starting point is 00:02:47 not a Karen. But as Kylie and I have experienced now, traveling with you for the hot shit tour, and people aren't doing their shit, you kind of get up and you're the asshole and then I can kind of making it roll my eyes to the waiter like I'm the good guy. And it's really working out great for me. I know. You got every group kind of needs a little I'm the good guy. And it's really working out great for me. I know. You got every group one has needs a little bit of a Karen. It's working out really well for me, because you're the asshole. Right.
Starting point is 00:03:13 And normally, like, on this podcast, I'm the asshole. And I, you know, generally at all other times. Generally, at all other times, except for when I deal with service people. I'm a lot nicer than you are in those situations. I feel like I'm not a rude Karen. I'm just firm. You're firm, but I'm not rude. I've seen you be rude. I have you. Yeah, I have. But you know, listen, listen, you are the star of the show. You are Judge Judy Diana. And you know, everybody has some character flaws, you know?
Starting point is 00:03:50 And yours is this flirtation with Kieranism. Among many others. Yeah. So anyway. Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie. She's the star of the show. She's the Princess Diana podcasting.
Starting point is 00:04:02 She's also the Judge Judy podcasting. She's also the judge Judy a podcasting. She's also one of this country's greatest legal minds. Shut up. No, it's a lie. Kylie, what's up? Not much, but now that I've traveled with pumps before and experienced the caronism being on my side, when I travel alone and something's going down,
Starting point is 00:04:22 I'm like, where's pumps? Yeah, I need my mom. Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen me be rude or just firm? I think all-carronism comes across as rude. What you deem firm is what my generation deems rude. Okay, that's fair.
Starting point is 00:04:38 That makes sense, that's fair. Yeah, I agree with that. I have an incredible review. What's the raid for you? Okay. It's by Waffle House lover, review. Let's rate for you. Okay. It's by Waffle House lover, 8,7,3,3. Okay. Five stars, title is Slade Too Hard.
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Starting point is 00:05:14 with enough sparkle to outshine the Eiffel Tower at sunset. Their banter is as fierce as a lip-sync battle, and their laughs are as infectious as confetti at a drag ball. So if you're in search of a podcast that's gaiier than a three day weekend in Provincetown, honey, this is your holy grill. Tune in and prepare to sashay, shante, and laugh at your fabulous heart out. I love that. That touches me. That is beautiful. Yeah. Especially considering a few episodes ago, I was accused of being a centrist. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:46 That is beautiful. Yes, that was really sweet. That's the way back that I need. It's beautifully written. Yes. It is a cause that we deeply feel strongly about and passionate about being allies and to be recognized in such a beautiful five-star
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Starting point is 00:06:19 Waffle House. If you can warm the heart of Judge Judy Diana that flirts with Karen ism and is still rassling with if it's rude or not, then you have really, really done something special. Look at how she's smiling so bad. I know my cheeks hurt. I'm so I mean, that was really sweet. It really was. It really was. Well, listen, let me tell you today, we have some guests that we're so excited to host, and they are the hosts of the Good Guys podcast.
Starting point is 00:06:50 And I cannot wait to ask them if indeed they are Good Guys. It's a great question to ask. Let's welcome Josh Peck and Ben Soffer. Pumps, don't take this the wrong way, but I know you're a total hypercontract. I really don't think I am. You totally are. You go to the doctor more than anybody I know, switching doctors constantly, and I have to tell you. I have found the perfect app for you. It's called Zoc Doc. Zoc Doc is a free app where you can find amazing doctors and book appointments online.
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Starting point is 00:08:04 zock.com slash I've had it. Zock dot dot com slash I've had it. All right, let's welcome to I've had it, the guys from the Good Guys podcast, Josh and Ben. And I have to ask right out of the gates, are you good guys? Are you kind of assholes? Honestly, I think we're as good as they come. We're as good as they come.
Starting point is 00:08:23 We're good, they come. We're as good as they come. We're good not great Good not great, but yeah, we're good guys. We're good. You're you're great. I'm fine I'm we're doing it fine guys. Just enough the same ring. Yeah Josh and Ben I would like to hear what you all have had it with. Josh, you go first. Okay. I have notes. What have I? Okay. Listen to you just pulled out a list.
Starting point is 00:08:53 So this is going to be good. The first thing I've had it with are yoga instructors who think they're spiritual giants. Babe, you took a three month course. You're 23. You do Coke on the weekends, and I need you fucking advice. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Just give me a good workout. I wanna get the hell outta here. Okay, I don't need your input on the way I'm living. I know that they're gonna do, they're always promoting natural birds, aren't they? Right, like they're going on Instagram and they're like, yeah, I just popped out my kid in my jacuzzi.
Starting point is 00:09:27 You all should do it too. And it's like, I don't know if you should. Like, I don't know if that's right. Like isn't a hospital safer place than your bathtub? God bless any woman's birthing journey, but I do worry about who cleans up the pool after, right? Like the placenta pool. Well, who's clean in that scrubs? any woman's birthing journey, but I do worry about who cleans up the pool after, right? Yes. Yeah, the placenta pool.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Who's so clean in that scrubs? We've been canceled, just FYI, in the interest of full disclosure. We've been canceled by the placenta eaters online because we went after that because we've had it with the placenta eaters. That's one step of the process. But to post it on the worldwide web that you're eating your placenta is an extra layer of crazy. So that group of people have canceled us and the home burgers have canceled pumps in particular. Yeah, I've been called out many times.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Because I'm just like who wants to sit in the shit that just came out of your body that had a baby in it? No, thank you. I'm out. Or if you're going to do it to your point, you don't need to tell me, do it. Do it, that's great. Eat your placenta. Right, like it doesn't matter. Like, cut off your baby's hair and eat it. But it's smoothie.
Starting point is 00:10:32 You don't need to tell me, you can be a freak without telling me. Right. Yeah, I wanna be canceled by those same people. That sounds like a great club. How about this? My wife had a C section and so, you know, they have the dumb husbands weighed outside for 40 minutes as they prepare the mothers because they're like you you literally have no role here at all
Starting point is 00:10:51 So finally they bring me and I'm like, let's go. Let's have a baby. They're like this fucking guy And so we're in the middle of the delivery and like the baby's almost out and I go pay push They're like it's a C section schmock I was like, don't push. I was like, gotcha. Yeah. So, Van, what have you had it with? So many things. I've had it though, really had it.
Starting point is 00:11:17 And I wonder if you guys have experienced this in Oklahoma City. I've had it with these iPads and tablets that encourage tipping in places where tipping is not necessary. It's not necessary. It goes for all of the coffee houses. It goes for the juice press. I'm not paying for a $17 smoothie and then tipping. It just was never a thing. It was never, ever a thing. I'm going to tip well on a restaurant. Of course, I'm going to tip well to a taxi driver, of course, right? But this idea that I now need to tip everywhere,
Starting point is 00:11:50 I was at CVS, I was at CVS. CVS has tipping at self checkout. I've had it, I've had it. Who am I tipping? Who am I tipping? And they're gonna trick people too, right? Because every single time you see it, oh, would you like to give an extra 20%
Starting point is 00:12:05 and you're like, oh shit, am I supposed to do it? Am I supposed to do it? They're gilting you. They're gilting you, lining their pockets. I don't know if it ever goes to the employee that I tipped. Does juice press give it to their employees? I'm so sorry that I'm like dragging juice press. I totally didn't mean to.
Starting point is 00:12:18 And they have like great smoothies. But I'm just using them as an example. This phenomena of the tablet, of the iPad, the tipping, it's too much. I'm not tipping for coffee because you told me to. If I have a loose one, no problem. That's going right in your jar. Otherwise, I'm sorry. I just, I can't. I've had it.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Now, I think there is major tipping fatigue. I think it's a total grift. And we're huge tippers. When I was in college, I waited tables, pumps waited tables. We have had these types of jobs. So I mean no disrespect to anybody that works in the service industry because it is hard work. However, this is corporate grifting and consumer exploitation where they're like, you know what, Starbucks. I mean, that feckers made billions of dollars, doesn't pay his employees well.
Starting point is 00:13:06 But somehow, then they spend the iPad around, and then you're standing there with this moral dilemma, do a fucker over this working class person. So I think we all have to unite. I think we all have to unite until these corporations to stop grifting off of us and pay people a livable wage. Because Kylie liked it up.
Starting point is 00:13:24 The minimum wage in this country has not been raised in like 15 years. Can you imagine that? 15 years. Yeah. It's nuts. They also, I mean, I hear like the big knock against unions is like the federal government should be the only union and it should give a livable wage to every person in this country. Now it's, it's awful. The tipping does make you feel guilty. I felt I went to the cleaners yesterday and I was picking up some clothes and they wanted a tip
Starting point is 00:13:51 and I felt like an asshole, but I'm like, you went and you grabbed it off the hanger. It's not like you pressed it. The cleaners is wanting a tip. The cleaners. Oh, fun. Everyone wants a tip. It's built into this like SaaS software
Starting point is 00:14:03 that everybody has purchased. I think it's honestly, I don't think it's the establishment. I think it's whoever made the tech of the iPad had this built in and then all of a sudden, the laundry mat or the dry cleaner was like, oh, you know, maybe some schmuck will give me a tip. Why not leave it on? Why not leave it on?
Starting point is 00:14:20 Because they could just get an extra hundred bucks a day in people feeling bad that they didn't just tip the person for taking the dry cleaning off the hook and handing it to the person. But it really is creating incredible guilt. Yes, yeah. Okay, Ben, there's something I want to talk to you about. When we got like your intros, it said like to describe how you were to be introred and it said entrepreneur. And something that I've noticed lately, and this is no disrespect to you, but I'll get everybody's feedback on this. Do you all think there's some entrepreneur fraud going on online? Yes, I feel like every motherfucker is an entrepreneur. Yes, yes, there is.
Starting point is 00:14:55 I will say as a legitimate entrepreneur that is built and launched an alcohol company called Spritz Society. is built and launched an alcohol company called Spritz Society. Yes, it's here. That people do like to use it within the hustle culture category. That they think that because they have an idea or like some random, like failed newspaper venture that they're an entrepreneur, and I will say I agree with you. People are tossing around that term too much. So often I'll even hear people say, Oh, I majored in entrepreneurship at college and I'm like, what the fuck are you? What does that even mean?
Starting point is 00:15:33 How do you major in entrepreneurship? That's like saying it's like the most broad. It's like the new sociology. It's sociology for business. I mean, you went to entrepreneurship school, right? Because the idea of being an entrepreneur is having an idea and building it and taking it. You can't learn about that in school. It's too all-encompassing. So I totally agree with you. People are not. But not me, of course. No, it's like I'm on Instagram and then I'll end up like, you know how you connect. You're like, what the, who's this person tagged here? So then you click on that and you're like, well, who's that tag there? And then you get to somebody and it's like, I've just passed through about 17
Starting point is 00:16:12 entrepreneurs on this deep IG troll that I'm toxically on right now. And there's no way that all of these people are entrepreneurs. Right. And then I've met people recently and I'm like, what do you do? And they're like, I'm an entrepreneur. And I'm just thinking, you know what, I think I'm gonna start saying, I'm an astronaut. Yeah, I'm an astronaut. You know? I mean, you know, Trump said he was 6'3, 215.
Starting point is 00:16:37 I mean, I just think now everything's, I kind of want to be crazy at some point. I want to be like, yeah, I'm 6'3, 215 and an astronaut for NASA. Fuck a lot. I forgot about that. That was really crazy. Six three two fifteen. Yeah, that's nuts. That's nuts. That's Tom. Like if you're in a lie, like keep it within a good standard deviation, like you got on our podcast, you were talking about the AAU folks. Like if a kid says that he's six six and he's five five, there's a huge problem. Like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Like, I love when Trump golfs, because that's when we know we're going to get to see the real bad. I'm going to wear that tuck, didn't you? I agree. The dumb white polo the red hat. And I'm just going to be like, yeah, let me see them roll a spot fee to his credit. To his credit though, great. He turns great through the golf swing.
Starting point is 00:17:23 He's a good golfer. He's a good golfer. He lies when he could play his golf. That's what good golfer. He's a good golfer. He lies when he plays golf. That is what I've heard. That is what I've heard. I'm just saying, he is a nice swing. That's all. You know, I will say the one thing is like, you know, I hate the ageism and like people will attack our president for being older and then like forget the Trump, so many like three years younger. But I will see there's something about Trump that seems vital. Like I got I got to give him that. I think it's because crazy seems more alive. Right. That's right. You know, I mean, like we were used to when we grew up, you had like George H. W. Bush, the smart Bush, not the dumb one. And he was very academic, and he spoke very academically, and he was a very boring president.
Starting point is 00:18:08 And now it's gotten, and Biden kind of is that way. You know, he's very, he's more academic, he's more nuanced. And then you got a Trump, and it's like, man, this is a firecracker, man, he's fucking crazy. Pumps is number one past time. I'm not kidding you guys. The minute we leave here, she goes home and pets on her algorithm.
Starting point is 00:18:26 And all it is, her full hobby is the Trump indictment. She listens to every podcast when we're on tour. I look over it. It's like the indictment of Donald Trump. In between filming with you all, we just were, listener, we were on their podcast. I mean, perhaps it's like, oh my god, Sydney Powell just pleaded guilty.
Starting point is 00:18:44 That's the crack in lawyer. And she updates everybody in the podcasting studio, like we're all waiting with Bated Breath. It is her full-time hobby, full-blown Trump indictment watch. Well, that much crazy in one place is just, it's wildly entertaining. And now he's getting like sweaty,
Starting point is 00:19:00 I mean, you can tell he's decompensating and getting even crazierzier like with the sweat. And then he said that he had a better body than Joe Biden. Well, like, three bodies compared to Joe Biden. How that hard, how hard body karate he crushed his mug shot. I mean, that was incredible. He nailed it. I mean, that's just like, it was hard.
Starting point is 00:19:26 It went hard. It was perfect. That was merch. That's millions of dollars in merch in that moment. I think he claimed nine million, look, of course I have all the facts. Nine million dollars on the merch. But he was an aide said he stood in the mirror
Starting point is 00:19:40 for seven hours, perfecting his mug shot photo. I'm gonna give credit where credits do. He fucking nailed it. Like, I was waiting, I remember I was in an airplane and I'm like refreshing because I thought they were gonna weigh him and measure him. So I was like, you know, like have a stop. My mouth was watering, waiting for the weight to come out
Starting point is 00:19:58 because I knew it would be, you know, embarrassed him. Well, he got to sell for a port. So obviously he puts in Tom Brady's height and weight. But when I saw the mech shot, I was like, okay, I mean, you did a pretty good job. I mean, it looks like a total organized crime boss. And that's what he is. And he did such a good job nailing the mech shot. It was serving. Okay. Let's go on. You guys wrote about overly edited photos on Instagram. I went, go off.
Starting point is 00:20:26 I met this woman recently who was just adorable. And I was like, you know, and she tagged me in something on Instagram. I was like, let me see how, how homegirls live in. And I wanna, let me see how she's spending her Sunday. Does she do brunch? I go on her page, it might have, it might as well have been another person. I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:20:45 This is not the same person. Like what I want to say to these people is like, you know we're going to meet one day, right? Like I'm going to see you in person with my eyes. Like and then I have to make a decision that you're a crazy person on some level and you live in this delusional world that on the internet I'm one person.
Starting point is 00:21:07 I'm a cosplay, you know, quasi-ai anime-generated human. And in real life, I'm just Diane. There is a huge difference between a lightly cinched waist. Like you know, it was a good photo. Like, yeah, we took a photo yesterday and I looked I said to you I'm like you know I look like well so you know like I sent the photo to my wife Clion's and yeah just push it out a little just like just push it and to make me look like myself I'm paying some the original I'm sorry well then there's gonna be two versions but you'll be able
Starting point is 00:21:41 to see that the difference between one version and the other version is really not that dramatic, right? It's just slight, slight something maybe to make yourself feel better. The full edited to your point, I'm going to see you, I'm going to meet you. I know that you don't look like this. And there was, I guess that it also existed in the age of social media and all of these tech tools, but not quite to the same level. Catfish. Like, like, people with completely different, completely different, like, how do you change your face like that? But also, it's not even the abs, it's also makeup. I've come across some very scary TikToks, very scary,
Starting point is 00:22:14 where you see a person, and then by the end of the video, oh, that is a different person. Contour, like, can literally like affect the way that their nose looks, like they go from having a big juicy nose to like this perfectly shaved down, it's frightening the skills of makeup. Let me ask you this question. If you, I know you're both married,
Starting point is 00:22:34 but if you were gonna do a dating profile, would you put the best picture of yourself, highly edited, or would you put just a normal picture of yourself anticipating that when you saw somebody in person you'd be cuter I'd like to think that because we're good guys if I was single I wouldn't post like a picture of me in like my bass fish But like I have no idea right like I have no idea like single me could be such a crazy douche And I'll never know because I've been with my wife for the last 11 years. So I don't know
Starting point is 00:23:04 But I would say you know it would be an average photo so they're I'll never know because I've been with my wife for the last 11 years, so I don't know. But I would say, it would be an average photo, so they're impressed when they meet me, definitely me and my dog, so that they know that I'm a lover of him, and that she's gonna need to share me. And yeah, not a perfect photo, because then it's all downhill from there. Right, I agree.
Starting point is 00:23:24 You? Yeah. Yeah, I agree. You? Yeah. You know, you put up a perfect photo. First of all, first of all, I think I'd crush it on dating apps just because like, I'm probably like a like a hard seven, but I'm down to settle. Like, I love to have a real. If you tell me you're like a CVS pharmacy tech with like a six toe and a lot of courage, I'm like, babe, let's go. Let's go eat it above the wallings and see what transpires. Um, but, um, yeah, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:53 sometimes I've seen, I think it's on Raya, the famous people dating app where it would happen is a bit of a side show, like a 15 second, five photos that kind of every three seconds a new photo comes up. And it'll be, it's very well curated. So it'll be someone in workout gear. And then in their professional gear and one with a dog and then one like in, you know, in Santorini, for me, I would make it all from the same photo shoot and just different faces just like, you know, coy, mischievous. So yeah, I would try,
Starting point is 00:24:29 I would try to do something that look like, I've got, I think you can take a nice photo during like magic hour, you know, at 5.30 in the afternoon, when that beautiful sort of sepia light is coming through, where you can look nice, but it doesn't look like you had a team at Adobe work on the photo. You can look nice, but it doesn't look like you had a team at Adobe
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Starting point is 00:25:53 you'll see a picture of yourself and your, tell your wife to, like, send your waist in. Don't we all kind of have this image of ourselves that I think we'll probably say around 28. And that's where we looked our best and that's locked into all of our brains. And then like somebody will FaceTime me. And I'm like, oh my God, who is that middle-aged woman
Starting point is 00:26:12 stepping back at me? Because in my mind, I'm like still like 28. And I, you know, I play tennis, I play pickleball, I feel great, I don't feel like now pumps. She talks all the time about how old she is. It drives me fucking crazy. You know who's your age? Jennifer Lopez. Well, obviously, that's an apt comparison.
Starting point is 00:26:31 But she doesn't walk around and be like, oh my God, I'm so old. I'm old. And I'm surprised you haven't told these two. I'm old enough to be her mother. You're the one that's always telling people that you're much younger than me. I am much younger than you. She's the one that always brings that. All I have to say is you both look fantastic. Not that I'll be bringing that. I have a chance at that. Say as you both look fantastic. Not that you needed to hear it from me, but I'm just saying. And to what you said before, the reason why I'm so obsessed with it and probably why Josh is so obsessed with it is because Josh used to be quite big.
Starting point is 00:26:55 I'm still pretty big, but I used to be much bigger. So I think that people that have been really fat when they're not really fat anymore and they see a picture of themselves looking really fat, they're not really fat anymore and they see a picture of themselves looking really fat. They're like, I just worked so fucking hard, not to look like this, what is his name, Brendan Frazier and the whale, and all of a sudden I'm looking over and I wanna like wolf down a subway footlong
Starting point is 00:27:18 because I deserve it, right? But so yeah, that's more why, like I think that like light sent you, like you worked so hard, that's more why like I think that like light sent you like you worked so hard. Let's look away that you should look now. Let's talk about fake busy people. My God. So what is this? Wow. Okay. The first thing, I think that in corporate American particular, people love to take advantage of blocking their calendar. And all that I have to say is if you're gonna have the nerve to block your calendar,
Starting point is 00:27:57 have just like the foresight to put it on private. Like don't have your labels of like 90-minute lunch. Need to take kid to school, coffee break. Like, that kind of stuff does not need to be put into a calendar. And I certainly don't need to see the titles of it. So that's one. The other is people who are really, really, really, really, really busy don't have the time to tell you on a daily basis how busy they are. Big gap busy, don't have the time to tell you on a daily basis
Starting point is 00:28:26 how busy they are. Big gap. They don't have the time to tell you. Two weeks later, when you haven't returned their calls, I have somebody that's right now chasing me. They're like, hey, you said that you'd hop on the phone with me a week ago, when are we having a call? And I promise I will text them back today saying,
Starting point is 00:28:39 I'm so sorry, I've been so unbelievably hectic, three different states. I haven't had time mentally to approach this conversation yet because I am legitimately busy, legitimately busy. So if you have time to tell somebody how busy you are in the moment, you also have time to actually take that call, right? Like you can just pick up the phone for five minutes
Starting point is 00:28:59 and give them what they want, otherwise you are actually too busy. I agree. I think they're con artists, gas lighters. And if you have to announce to people, like Pumpsus has been used to call her, or Exhaust say, used to call her all the time to tell her how busy he was.
Starting point is 00:29:18 And I would just, we'd be on my front porch smoking cigarettes back in the middle of my brown light days. And she would go like, if you're so fucking busy, then why are you calling me? Click. Totally. and I'm not going to get a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more
Starting point is 00:29:33 of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more of a lot more You better fucking text me why you called me because to rely on me to call you back to figure out why you called me in the first place when maybe you called me for no goddamn reason. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:29:49 But I also I call so much more now because with these cell phone leaks I'm not there's very little I want to put in writing. So like if you get a call from me put the fucking stove on because the tea's coming. Because I'm a little bit... See, that's helpful because when you call me, you only call me to talk about things that are important. I don't, I only call you to talk about things that are important. We very rarely call each other just to shoot the shit because we acknowledge how busy each other is.
Starting point is 00:30:19 But when you have that friend that is not that busy, that loves to just call and shoot the shit on a Wednesday at 130, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's all fake. I refuse to believe it. And don't you guys find my most powerful friends, the people in my life who like can really, you know, move markets, they, I get a call back immediately from them.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Within reason, right? markets, they, I get a call back immediately from them. Within reason, right? And it's like these fakers, these imposter, they're the ones who are like, first of all, don't you dare try to make plans with me in three weeks from now? It's not happening. I might not feel like it. How about that?
Starting point is 00:31:00 I might not be busy. I just might not like you in three weeks. So I don't know if I can make it. But I'll have parents try to do that with me like, hey, let's set up a plate eight like in mid-December, like you're nuts. You're nuts. Not happening. Nope.
Starting point is 00:31:15 You're in the worst part of that too because the parents trying to incorporate their kids in the kids they want their kids to be friends with lives, they're relentless. The parents are the worst part. There's this thing now called social engineering that parents are doing where like, Josh, maybe your kid, like at your school, the parents might be like, oh, that's Josh. He was the child actor.
Starting point is 00:31:40 He has a bunch of Instagram followers. Little McKinsey spelled K-E-I-N-S-L-E-E with an apostrophe over the back of it. You need to go be friends with Josh's kid and they try to social engineer. I had never heard of this until recently or maybe the you know the trust fund family has you know that has a P.J. and they invite friends to go on vacation. So the parents encourage the kids to be a friend who the parents want the kids to be friends with. How fucked up is that?
Starting point is 00:32:10 Genius. So smart. Genius. I literally can't wait to social engineer now that I'm thinking about it. Like, oh, like little Timmy's dad has nine planes. Like you better fucking be friends with him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Otherwise, what are you doing? Yeah, my son's taking swim lessons at his friends pool. We're not going to the public pool. Hell yeah, like great Audrey's family has a pool. We're in. Yeah, they happen to be incredibly lovely people. We love them too, but you know, having a pool. That's nice. Yeah, I'm just saying, like you're well off enough Max. Better not be going to a public pool. I'll kill you. like you're well off enough max better not to be going to a public pool. I'll kill you. Okay, guys, now we're going to play a game with you called had it or hit it.
Starting point is 00:32:55 So my list of stuff, if you don't like it, you will have had it. And if you like it, you'll hit it. Oh my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. I hit it every day sometimes twice a day. Okay, the first one had it or hit it. I would have it. I hit it every day sometimes twice a day. Okay, the first one. Had it or hit it, inspirational quotes. I've had it.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Give me a flip and break. Inspirational. Just stop it already. First of all, we've all heard them before. Okay, they're all regurgitated. I love when people go, hey, don't have fear. You know what, fear's an acronym for, right? Fall seven in disappearing real.
Starting point is 00:33:27 So many called the Pock Chopra. Because like, I didn't know that I was here with the Maharishi. I'm like, savior dumb fucking acronyms. I'm like, you don't pay your taxes. You hate your kids. I know what's going on with you, huh? And like, yeah, so I'm, I'm like, you don't pay your taxes. You hate your kids. I know what's going on with you, hun. And like, yeah, so I'm, I'm, I've, I've had it. It may be right your own quote. Stop her
Starting point is 00:33:51 agurgitating. Yeah. And agree more right your own damn quote. So true. Ben, what about you? Had it or had it inspirational quotes? Absolutely had it. Couldn't agree with Josh Moore exactly what he said is exactly what I'm thinking. I've had it. I've particularly had it, though, with Bible verses. I'm sorry. I know that's like adjacent. It's adjacent, but the inspirational quote, the Bible verse, anything that you're going to throw in your Instagram bio that's just going to live on an infamy for people to see the second that they see you. Terrible. Just terrible. I have had it. Let me tell you what we've done here. We have turned these inspirational quotes that you see on social media
Starting point is 00:34:30 and people that list Bible quotes in their bio. We have advised our listeners to view these as red flags, okay, because Camson, I had terrible pickers when we picked our mates with whom to breed, okay. We were not good at it at all. So we're trying to reverse engineer how to be better pickers, we picked our mates with whom to breed. Okay, we were not good at it at all. So we're trying to reverse engineer how to be better pickers, you know, now in mid-life. So this to younger listeners, if you see, you know, somebody's Instagram feed in its inspirational quotes or when they talk, if it's a word salad of inspirational quotes,
Starting point is 00:34:59 Bible quotes, immediately know that they are red flags. Now, I feel like I've learned enough that I would do better. Pumps. Now, I feel like I've learned enough that I would do better. Pumps. No, I'm still a terrible picker. I've got all this therapy and everything else. Yeah. I just have a terrible picker.
Starting point is 00:35:12 I was just born with it. It's broken. And if you see a tattoo, fucking run. If you see like a Bible verse on a wrist. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Or nobody has like a live laugh love tramp stamp, do they?
Starting point is 00:35:25 Do they have some, does that exist? I have some, does that exist? Sure, I would bet. Oh my God. I guarantee you somebody has it. As evidenced to what a bad picker I have now. My husband's in recovery and we're super happy now. But I have to say, I think Stone Cold sober, he got the own prayer as a tramp stamp.
Starting point is 00:35:45 He has the own prayer tattoo. Oh, good. Ramp stamp. In between rehab stamps, he would kind of like, I'm gonna go get tattoos. He's just like super compulsive. I mean, he'd come home with all this serene wrap around him. So he has all of these like really bizarre tattoos
Starting point is 00:36:01 in strange places. And like he'll have Chinese characters. And I'm like, what does that mean? And he used to make shit up and now he's like I don't fucking know is some shit I did when I really wanted to be taken Xanax and I couldn't fucking take it anymore so when go tattoos maybe maybe it's just his favorite Chinese food order and he goes up to the counter and goes like this that would save so much time and just. And the person reads it and they're like, oh, a general child's chicken.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Yeah. Yeah. And especially if you have an affirmation or inspirational quote, as artwork at your house, I'm like, hey, babe, glad you love home goods. Yeah. But the truth is, I'm not impressed. You don't see any of those at Restoration Hardware.
Starting point is 00:36:45 That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. They're playing these people. You walk into a TGMX exactly. You see a live laugh, love nothing wrong with TGMX. But if you're gravitating towards that and you're throwing that on your wall, nuts. I had it.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Okay. All right. Had it or hit it, podcasts. I hit it. I consume a lot of podcasts, hours. I probably listen about an hour to a day. Almost to the point where it's like a crutch, like an emotional crutch,
Starting point is 00:37:12 I'm like, I'm not gonna shower without a podcast. Like, yeah. I'm not gonna like, like, we have an olive tree in our front yard cause it's very wealthy. And. And so, and of course, three months out of the year, it literally drops olives all day. So I'll sweep in the morning,
Starting point is 00:37:33 and just when I have my ear, air pot in my ear, and I'm sweeping olives, I'm like, this is heaven. So, I'm just listening to your podcast and join the sweepin'. I love it, Ben, what about you? Hit it podcast. I will say that living in Manhattan, I don't have a commute. So I don't get to listen to as many podcasts as I wish I did, but certainly hit it.
Starting point is 00:37:55 But I've had it with people thinking that they can just launch podcasts. I'm sorry. You can't. Your life is not that interesting. It's not like, it's not like just because you, you think that somebody could relate to what you're doing. Like, you can't. Your life is not that interesting. It's not. It's not, just because you think that somebody could relate to what you're doing, you can't stop. So I hit good podcasts. I've had it with people thinking that they can make them. That it's so easy just to hold a wonderful hilarious conversation like this beautiful group we are here.
Starting point is 00:38:22 Like this is not that easy. You can't do this, Marie. Like I'm sorry. You can't. Marie. Marie. Marie. It's in the same vein as the fake entrepreneurship.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Yes. It is. Yes. And the people that are over editing, over editing, all of these people start going into one big category is what we've learned. You guys will experience it too as incredible podcasts. over editing, all of these people start going into one big category is what we've learned. You guys will experience it too as incredible podcasts or something.
Starting point is 00:38:48 I've experienced for 20 plus years when you're really good at something that has no barrier to entry, like pumps, you're a lawyer. No one's going like, I've been thinking about being a lawyer. I just got to go spend the next five years. Can I tell you when people go, I'm thinking about getting into acting. I'm like, hmm. I just want to be like, I got nothing for you. So anyway, it was a random tangent.
Starting point is 00:39:11 Go for it. Oh, like, okay. Had it or hit it, ozampic. Oh, on it. On it. Hit it. Hit it. Hit it.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Hit it again. And I fucking had it with these, and I'm sorry if it's one of you, hit it, hit it again, hit it again. And I fucking had it with these, and I'm sorry if it's one of you, love my ladies, but I've had it with these skinny, fucking people telling fat people what's good for them. Like, no, you have no idea the plight of being a fat person. You have no idea what it's like to have a food addiction.
Starting point is 00:39:40 And when you have an addiction to anything else, you're praised for taking medicine, getting help, going to rehab, doing whatever it is, food is an addiction. And when you have an addiction to anything else, you're praised for taking medicine, getting help, going to rehab, doing whatever it is, food is an addiction. We live in a country where everything is loaded up with fucking sugar. You're supposed to, if you look at this beautiful pyramid that they've made, wake up in the morning, have an oatmeal with 900 teaspoons of brown sugar and supposed to feel great throughout the day and not have hunger cravings. I'm sorry, we're led astray in this country with too much sugar in our diets. And so what Ozempic does is it strips out the sugar from your bloodstream and all of
Starting point is 00:40:11 a sudden a fat person feels normal. They all of a sudden are like, oh my god, I'm actually full. I don't need the third sandwich. I don't need to order everything on the menu because their brain isn't constantly tricking them. So hit Ozempic, I think it's unbelievable. Again, if somebody that's on it, and even if I wasn't on it, anything that helps people makes them feel better, I don't know why people are so upset with the obese in this country, finally feeling good about themselves. Like what is it?
Starting point is 00:40:43 You just want to keep people and like keep your foot on their neck and make them feel, like it's just so strange to me. And it's because I think skinny people feel that they have this moral high ground on fat people and they can't stand the fact that they're confident. So, hito-zempic, clearly you struck a chord. And I had it with these lunatics. I'm obsessed on Mon-Gero.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Mon-Gero, yeah, I did this step up because I was no-chess on his impact, but I love it. I don't ever want to get off as long as I live. Yeah, they say that Menjaro is supposed to be like the king's ozemic. Like that is rich. Yeah, the Kardashian's supposed to be really good. And I don't know if you've experienced the same thing,
Starting point is 00:41:24 but the hunger cravings in the brain going away. And you realizing like, oh, I'm not gonna die if I don't eat this entire menu is really pleasant. And I wonder if it's just what skinny people always feel like. When the ozemic thing came out, I was like, this is amazing. Like, this is incredible that people can get on it because I know the struggle is really real and like
Starting point is 00:41:45 you said, it is an addiction. So I have, you know, like people skirt the system and things all the time. Viagra, you know, you have middle-aged men having five-hour erections because of pharmaceuticals. Nobody says a word about it because the science that has gone into the penis has been fucking outstanding. I mean, off the charts. If they put that kind of science into cancer, it would be cured. But when it comes to obesity, everybody's, you know, America's obese. This is a huge toll on the healthcare system
Starting point is 00:42:13 and blah, blah, blah. And then when I heard that people were ozimpyc shaming, I'm like, did you like, atkins diet, shame somebody? Right. I mean, like, what's the difference? Like, and America loves obesity though. Like, that's what people aren't talking about.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Like, I'm not trying to create this like crazy narrative, but they love fat people. Fat people are sick more, fat people take more medicine from big pharma, fat people eat more. It's bigger bills. Like, there is nothing about somebody who is obese that doesn't line the pockets of the United States.
Starting point is 00:42:48 I'm sorry, skinnier people, they're healthier. What about life insurance? It's just all of it. The thinner you are, the healthier you are, the higher your quality of life, there's absolutely no question. There's absolutely no question. This idea that Mungaro or Orozempic is bad. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:43:07 It really is. I think that's what you say. I was shocked by it myself. Okay. Had it or hit it, Toddlers? Um, it feels weird, Santa wanna hit a toddler. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha But yeah, I'm I love it. I think kids are the best five and a and younger. I mean, I have to right now But I'm with it. You know, usually they say like, Oh, I didn't fall men
Starting point is 00:43:31 I didn't fall in love with my kid until they could like throw a football I'm not that way. I think babies are great. I think every stage is fun And I just think it's unique and I have no doubt that as they get older, every stage of your child is fun and interesting, but when you can have a little, just a little smush that are cute and adorable. I'm enjoying every minute of it. So I like it. Let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:43:55 What do you think about toddlers with whom you do not share DNA? Bingo. Oh, great. Yeah, I mean, I've always loved kids, but to what we talked about, and maybe we talked about it on our podcast, good guys, but I'm heartbroken that there are people in my life that I've known for many years who I love that are friends whose kids I could do without. It's not a great
Starting point is 00:44:19 feeling because it also is reflective of, you guys can probably speak to this, isn't it so fascinating the person that you have a friend, you go up with them, you go to high school, college, into your 20s, and then they pick a spouse, and you go, really Diane, you pick Joe? Joe's really who does it for you? It's kind of, it's very revealing of who your friend is, and what they really needed, and same thing with their kids, you have this friend,
Starting point is 00:44:45 but then the way they parent could be totally different than the person you thought they were. So it's kind of a, it's weird. So I'd say 50-50, somewhere in the middle. Okay. All right, this one, I'm really gonna hit you both on the spot with this
Starting point is 00:45:00 and I'm gonna enjoy it so much. And you both individually have to answer it. Had it or hit it, porn? Hit it, hit it. And not from behind. Yeah, same time. Really? We openly talk about this stuff.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Okay, okay. Again, I think it's, and both of our mothers also, let's do our butt. It's really just like, so. Shout out, Barb. Yes, and Eva. But hit it. It's a natural instinct.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Again, it shouldn't be something that you hide. You mentioned this either on our podcast or on yours where the truth is so important in a relationship. Again, you met reference to it with kids. I wouldn't talk to you kids about your porn addiction. That's where I draw the line. But with your spouse, like if you have to hide something like that and you are a porn watcher, then perhaps that spouse isn't right for you to be totally honest
Starting point is 00:45:55 because I do respect the fact that people have take issue with porn. But yeah, either take issue with porn or you don't take issue with porn. And we get this question on our podcast often about one spouse liking porn, the other not, should I tell him not to watch porn? And it's like, no, you guys are just definitely not compatible because that's like a very, very human instinct type of thing. And either you want to do it or you don't want to do it,
Starting point is 00:46:22 but the mixing of it is very difficult. So hit it. Yeah, I think it's a great tool you don't want to do it, but the mixing of it is very difficult. So hit it. Yeah, I think it's a great tool. I always say to my wife, I can bother you. You should be buying stock and pornoob, like because this is good for our marriage. Yeah, I mean, I think, but I certainly have friends who've overdone it
Starting point is 00:46:43 and it decents it, totally. They act, they lose interest in their spouse, I mean, I think, but I certainly have friends who've overdone it and it decently ties the stem to the act. They lose interest in their spouse, and that's crazy wild insane unacceptable. But if you can use it here and there, and then also have as much like passion for your mate, why not? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Agreed. Do you guys watch porn? I do not. Very rarely. What? Ramy, like, what time in five years? But I mean, I have watched it. I've watched it before too. I don't like, I don't on a regular basis. Yeah, I watch like men's tennis that turns me on a lot more than I've got that guy named my team. Mateo Baratini.
Starting point is 00:47:17 I mean, oh my god. Yeah, but we have to get back to this. In the last five years, you watch porn? Yeah, somebody told me there's a porn site for women like five years ago, and I got on there. It's called the Food Network, no? No. How many minutes did you watch? Maybe two or three. I mean, I just got the gist.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Well, you don't miss quickly. No, I'm getting, I'm getting. No, that was my sexual phase. Women though, and I don't know if you guys read these juicy books, but I'm getting, I'm getting. No, that was my asexual phase. Women though, and I don't know if you guys read these juicy books, but I'm just saying, women seem to be reading porn, even if they're not watching porn. Men don't read porn. We don't take these books like they're very hot sexy.
Starting point is 00:47:59 I don't remember what they're called, but there's a word for them. What is it? Like a romance novel. A erotic one. Okay, yeah, they? Like a romance novel. A erotic. Okay. Yeah. They're not a cat. Not romance.
Starting point is 00:48:09 A pet house. Diary. And it's porn. It's written porn. Right. Now I. So just saying what I was trying to say was that women have alternative vices, even if they don't realize that they're watching porn, they're consuming some porn. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:20 Now I agree with that because I've read some steamers. Well, Josh Ben, I love you guys. I could sit here and just fucking shit talk all day. It's so good. It's so therapeutic. I love it. Thanks so much for being with us guys. Thank you guys for having us.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Thank you. And come listen to you guys on our pod. Good guys podcast. You were nice enough to do ours as well. So this was great. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Thanks guys. Bye. They're amazing. They're so much fun. I really like them because they're good guys. They are good guys. But also kind of assholes that can shit talk with us. They're great shit talkers because we're pretty good girls. But we're also kind of assholes. Right. But the good kind of asshole, the best of both worlds where you can shit talk. You know what my favorite type of person is? A person that has some reasonable amount of positivity plus cynicism. They have to have cynicism. It can't be overtly positive.
Starting point is 00:49:15 Right, a good. A reasonable amount of positivity, you know, like path the least resistance, a good problem solver, doesn't always have to be glass is helpful plus cynicism. And those guys embody the traits that I very much like.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Good guys, not great. Little bit assholes. Perfect, loved them. Listen up, listen, or give us five stars on Apple. Go to our hot shit tour, link is in the bio. Send us a voice memo on Instagram and Pumps, tell them. We will see you next Tuesday or Thursday or both.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Two sisters, one a respected TV producer, Jill Blackstone and the other Wendy. She was disabled, nearly blind in death, and Jill had devoted herself to taking care of Wendy. Jill was her best friend, her sister, her everything. But the sister bond was shattered when Wendy and some of the sister's rescue dogs were found dead in a garage next to a topple over barbecue grill. Jill says accidental carbon monoxide poisoning killed everyone, police do not believe her. Police arrested Jill Blackstone for the murder of her sister.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Investigators think it was staged to look like an accident. Who will you believe, especially now, that a secret source has come forward with evidence never made public before? Jill was a good producer. There's no doubt about that, but would she produce murder? Is the question. Season 2 of Bad Bad Thing, the Blackstone Sisters available now, wherever you get your podcasts. I always say show me a perfect family. I'll show you a family with secrets.

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