I've Had It - GOP: Guardians of Pedophiles

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

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They triots, black triots, brown triots, and all of the MAGA that is so wound up about DEI. What can they do, pumps? Fuck off! That's right. That's what they can do. Pumps, what have you had it with? What I've had it is, I've had it with bullshit. Don't bullshit me.

Don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining. Just be straight up. This is what I want from you. This is why I'm calling. I got an email. I swear to God. It was like 45 paragraphs. of bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

At the end, the person wanted something from me. I would have appreciated it more if they just said, hey, I know I haven't seen you in 30 years, but will you do this for me? I would be more inclined than if use of praise for 165,000 pages and paragraphs, and then the ask. It's like, don't kiss my ass.

Just tell me straight up. I had somebody I haven't talked to in forever, text me and say, hey will you sign a book and send it to me haven't that was it no preamble we didn't small talk and i was like yeah send me the address easy peasy greasy don't bullshit me for fucking nothing we i only have so much time on this earth left i can't spend it waiting through bullshit that's a great grievance pumps it is a great grievance and there's just something about superficial praise that is so off-putting to me.

When people are Uber, Uber, Uber complimentary, if they give you a compliment, you say, oh my gosh, thank you, that's so nice. Then it's time to move on. But when they keep going, it reeks of superficial praise. It negates all genuine concern or praise that that person has. And I just find it incredibly off-putting. Yeah, the sincerity's lost when it just keeps going and going and going, I think.

I couldn't agree more. Okay. So mine isn't necessarily a grievance as much as it is. I'm going to tattletail on myself for something. Oh, good. So Josh and I go with our friends Renee and Eden to the Tame and Paula concert in Brooklyn. And we love the band Tame and Paula. Our lesbian friends that went with us are Australian.

Tam and Paula's Australian. They did like five sold-out nights in Brooklyn, right? So I got the tickets and we get to Barclay Center. And we go, I asked the lady, I'm like Section 8, and she's like, yeah, right down here. So we go right down and we see the four seats and I got the seats that were on the aisle and we sit down. And so a couple of times people were like, you're in our seats and we're like, no, these are our seats. and they went on some of that typical stuff and then at one point one of our friends i think it was Renee was up buying drinks and so there were just three of us sitting in the four seats and this girl

comes in hot and sits in our fourth seat and she has a beer and a water and the concert has started we're like three quarters of a way through the first song so it's peak hyper focus at this point right and I'm like that's our seat and she's like no it's not and I'm like yes it is that is our seat you can't sit there and she's showing me her ticket I'm like you're in the wrong section and I said our friends coming back like the concert started you need to go find your section so she has her two drinks the beer in the water and she is drunk and she's slopping like this okay and my purse is hung over my armrest and the beer and And the water keeps hitting my purse.

And I really like this purse. Right. And I just went, God damn it. Can I help you get out of front? I mean, just fucking pissy, just as twatty as I could be. I just went, God damn it. Like, are you this big of a train wreck, right? So she's like, I'm sorry.

I'm like, it's good. We're good. And I was like, God, you kind of, that was such bitchy, Jennifer. But I wanted to watch the show and I wanted to just secure the seat for our friend. well about five minutes later a couple comes up to our seats and they're like what row are you we're row seven and he goes this is row six and i'm in these seats and i'm like that's the worst that is the worst oh my god and so there's the lady that works at barclay center and she's wanting to see our tickets and i couldn't i didn't save the tickets to wallet they were just in my

ticket master app because everybody was attached to all of the Wi-Fi capabilities and the antennas and the 5G, I was unable to get into our tickets. Now we're on song too, which was a banger of a song, right? And we're homeless. And finally, I get up. Renee had had season tickets to the WMBA team, Liberty. Liberty that played there. So she had the Wi-Fi password for the a good Wi-Fi of the arena. So she does share password. I'm able to get in. I screenshot all of our tickets.

I go back to the lady that kicked us out of our seat that worked at our Clay Center. And she is like, oh, you're over a section. So we get over. Somebody is in those seats. She makes them move. We get our real seats. And then it occurs to me that that girl that I went, God, damn it, it's her seat. She was probably in the right seat.

You were in her seat. I was, yeah, and I was doing what she did the whole time. And I was acting like I had my shit together. She didn't have her shit together. Now, I do think she could have been in the wrong section entirely because I think somebody would have guided her back before the other couple came, but as I'm sitting there and I can't enjoy the second song because I'm really browbeating myself. Right.

why do you have to be such a twat she was trying of course she couldn't hold a glass she had no i don't know why they don't have lids on these things i don't know what happened to that idea that when you get things at these arenas that liquid's just slopping around yeah but i just wanted to tattle on myself that i'm a big hypocrite i am uh incapable of finding the correct seats I basically told somebody off that didn't need to be told off when I was the person that needed to be told off. And so I felt like if I atoned here publicly and I want to tell the girl that I said, God damn it, too, I apologize profusely.

I hope you found your seat. I ended up finding mine. And I'm a bigger asshole than you could have ever been, despite slopping beer all over my one of my favorite purses i still humbly and sincerely apologize here's the thing i completely get the seat mix up i've done it i try to be super gracious in those situations because they happen a lot but i am a firm believer and you just because you have a seat to an event you don't get to destroy anybody else's property with all your shit because this happened to me not me but i was sitting next or behind these two guys at a Thunder game just recently, they're ship-faced.

They have their solo cups piled up, you know, like 14 deep. So they get up to cheer and they both take their beer all over two roads in front of that, like full beers all over these like old people. And I was just like, enough. Like if you can't hold your liquor better than throwing your beer on grandma and grandpa, sit it down. Don't drink it. Get a lid. I don't know why these arenas don't have lids. That's a huge problem. We need lids in these places. But like, there's no excuse for her spilling on your purse. It's just not that hard. Yeah, I think liquids in an arena or a large capacity venue,

we need to focus on liquidity safety and keeping the liquid contained because then you open up a whole can of worms to people slipping, falling, personal property, getting damaged and this whole just free balling with these cups that have this really wide top they're able to the very very top of beer or water and everything's flying around it's just it's just a liquid disaster is what it is welcome to i've had it i'm jennifer i'm angie hbic stands for beaver all right we have kiley the producer kiley has gone it's going good um i actually had a recent thunder game i sat next to this old lady and we kind of bonded and she taps me on the elbow and was like, hey, I have this bag. I bring it to every game. Put your

stuff in it, like your jacket, your purse. So that when things spill, nothing gets on it. So she let me share her bag with her. That was nice. That was really thoughtful. And see, this is just something that's interesting that people are having to bring a bag to secure the bag. Right. You know, like I think we need to focus on liquid safety and keeping the liquids content. And keeping the liquids contained into one device because you've got a bunch of drunk people, a bunch of hootin and hollering and crazy shit going on. And we just can't have these liquids flying all over the place because then I'm sitting there going, God, damn, it's acting like a complete twop fact.

Total. I was just awful. All right. And then she was like, I'm sorry. I'm trying to go, I know you are. I know you are. I'm sorry. I got right back in there with her, but I thought it in my head, God damn it, this fucking

bitch and it just came out it just I was like oh shit that was supposed to be internal right and it just came right out your indoor voice came out happens to me a lot it's funny that you brought that up because I have a review and it's five stars and it says Jen I just wanted to write that I was the chick that yelled your name at the Tame and Paula show in Brooklyn you and Josh are such a super hot couple I actually can't believe how beautiful you are in person oh after I fan girl seeing you. I just wanted to write in that you and Pumps are my favorite podcasters. IHIP is how I get my daily news updates because I just can't stand the rest of it anymore. And you are both mother. It was so cool to see you in New York as a native born and raised. We welcome you. And I'm so excited

for you to be here. Hoping with Zoran and people like you moving in New York will be back to what it was. Okay. I think it's safe to say that she was not the girl that I goddammed. which I'll say that we can eliminate her as a candidate on my ongoing apology to her to find this needle in the haystack of the woman that I owe this apology to. Thank you. I do remember that gal and she was so sweet. We were leaving and she was like, Jen, Jen. And we turned and waved. And she was very sweet. And it was the tame and Paula thing. Oh, my God. If y'all don't know who this guy is. So Josh and I listen to their music all the time. Great songs. In person, he, is such an incredible talent. Kylie, get your ass back in this. You don't get to leave. I was talking to you too.

He is such an incredible talent. It's, oh my God. Kylie, do you like Tame and Pala? I love Tame and Pala. How does you know who Tame and Pala is? I don't. Yeah. All right, moving along.

Okay. Now let's bring it down a little. One star, their name is fuck your reviews. And they said, Ah, the screeching old liberal white women's show. it's as bad as it sounds. That is great.

That is great. Miserable. That is so. Look what my cup here right to hear says. Dried up and miserable. Right on brand, pump. Yeah, nailed it. Right on brand.

Okay, Kylie, do you have any news stories to share with us? I do. I have an interesting one. This one says the door close button in most elevators doesn't work. It's just there to make you feel. I knew it. I knew it. This says the door closed button you jab every morning.

It probably hasn't done anything in decades. According to the head of the national elevator industry, most of these buttons were disabled after the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act mandated that elevator doors remain open long enough for people with mobility challenges to safely enter. Then it says, but elevators aren't alone. As the New York Times notes, crosswalk buttons and even office thermostats often fall into the same. same category. Designed more for psychological comfort than function. I knew it. I know it. It doesn't psychologically comfort me. It psychologically tortures me that I push the closed

door button and the door doesn't close. This is this is psychological torture. I knew they were fucking with us. Pumps, this is your way back into the legal profession with a class action lawsuit for mass fraud, fraud, waste and abuse, wasting our brain cells, abusing us by making us think we are in control and when in fact we're not and they're like, ha-ha, L-O-L, jokes on you. The National Elevator, what was that thing? I didn't know there was such a thing. The National Elevator Industry. Okay.

Okay. Never heard of that. You know what? You know what? national elevator industry fuck you for fucking with us for all of these decades and y'all just sitting around at the national elevator industry offices going l-o-l i bet they have little hidden cams in the closed door but they're like look at this psycho and i'm sitting there going god damn it just like i did that girl at the tame and paula concert yeah i've been with you when you've

done it but jennifer and i have i mean we've said it on the podcast before but we like to when we see people we don't want to be on the elevator with, we act like we're trying to keep the elevator door open and hit the door open, but we're really not. It's just like, oh, oh, sorry, but we really, you see somebody coming. You're like, oh, you see, you're acting like you're hitting door open and you, like, slide it over and it's door closed. Sorry, I tried to save it for you. Hit the bricks.

All right, kind of left, which I think means that we have a guest, except we're super excited about our guest he likes to shit talk we like to shit talk he hates maga we hate maga and we're going to have a who hates maga the most contest and of course i'm talking about rick wilson of the lincoln project and it's i can't believe he hasn't been on i've had it i know i feel like that's a fail on our criminal complete criminal that we're three years into this thing and we're just now trotting out basically our spirit animal this episode of i've had it is brought to you by booking.com. Pumps, I've got to say, if you're looking to grow your vacation rental business, this is the place to be. Booking.com is one of the most downloaded travel apps in the

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fighting maggot and i'm specifically interested that the majority of you or all of you are former republicans is that correct most most of us are former republicans and and just you know i was sort of an outwire i was the first like national republican consultant in 2015 i was like i'm not doing this shit not fucking doing it And when we came together in 2020, you know, all of us were like, we're just not doing this. We are not, we're not, we're not your, we're not your people. And, you know, it's funny because we are from that generation. I worked for the old George W. Bush, the Bush senior.

The smart one. Well, he was a, he was a very wise guy, okay? And, and it was a different world now. I was joking with an old friend about a year and a half ago. He said, remember when we were in the White House, we used to fire people for being rude? Yeah. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I do. And now it's like, you could be a, you could be a Nazi war criminal.

And you're like, they're like, fine. Hey, cool. He's one of our guys. Yeah, it's almost a prerequisite to be an asshole and a bully. Oh, yeah. I mean, and you look at the people inside the White House. They're all trying to be like baby Trumps. They're trying to imitate Trump or trying to play their own little, like, sub-variation.

of Trump. Stephen Miller is is the worst possible kind of example of that. He's a guy who's never been in a fight. He's never taken or delivered a punch in his life. And yet he gets in there and gets a hard on from putting like kids in zip ties. Yeah. It's sick. He is he is so. It's unbelievable to me. And I always wondered like, who is he married to? Yeah. And then I'll be goddamned if his wife did roll on to Pierce Morgan. And I was like, Oh, this totally tracks. She is, she is, I mean, look, I don't know how Stephen Miller has bred with anyone, except in some sort of complicated lab experiment.

Yeah. But apparently her standards are such that she was okay with that, which tells you everything you need to know about Katie Miller. No shit. Okay. Rick Wilson, what have you had it with? I have had it with this country treating the Democrats and the Republicans, like they're, there are two sides of it, same coin.

Yes. One of these parties, and look, I still come as this as an ex-Republican. I don't have to agree with everything in the Democratic Party. I don't. But I do look at the two parties, and one of them is an authoritarian fascist party that wants to impose a huge government of control of everything you do in your life. They want to tell businesses how they should run, that wants to tell women how they should govern their lives, that wants to tell everybody that they have to express the official emotions the president wants,

And that's the Republican Party. I'm done with it. And Democrats, and the media too often goes, well, the Democrats and the Republicans are just two sides of the same. They're not. The Democratic Party, as much of a hot mess as it can be, does not want to impose a single national standard for behavior on every single human being. They are not out there saying, oh, let's round up all those people we disagree with. They're not out there saying the DOJ is going to prosecute all of our political opponents. It is the disservice of people in politics and media who do that, I think it is an astounding failure on their part.

I completely agree with this. And I think that trickles down when the media says that, that trickles down to the electorate. And you hear the electorate picking that up by saying, well, I'm voting for the lesser of two evils. And the two evils with whom they were discussing is either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. and Donald Trump. And that corporate media assertion trickles down and the electorate adopts it accordingly. And I think we're in such a dangerous place. And I've been thinking about this a lot. Sometimes I get mad at the journalists, but I think we have to give a little bit of space to them because the pressure from their corporate owners is so intense and they need health insurance and

they need a paycheck, and they're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And I think this corporate media takeovers that we're seeing, I just saw, I don't know if you guys saw this, that Barry Weiss was in the room during the 60 Minutes interview when he was sitting there taking softball after softball after softball, and nobody asked him about the MRI. No, and look, the corporate media thing, I want to cover that quickly, because I'm writing a new book, and a part of that is about this corporate media takeover of everything. You know, when you essentially have Trump allies running CBS, Trump allies running part of the NBC family, Trump allies at ABC about bending the knee, and Fox News, which of course is the like the creation oven of Donald Trump,

I don't want to hear any bullshit from conservatives going, oh, the liberal media. Who? Who? Yeah. Where's this fucking liberal media that I hear so much about? Because what I mostly see is an increasing, oh, and by the way, the social media platforms are run by Ketamine Nazi, Mark Zuckerberg, and now Larry Ellison from Oracle, who now is also owning, who now also owns CBS. So I'm sorry, I don't, I don't want to hear any bullshit about this liberal media edifice that's supposedly out there when the MAGA media system is vast, and expanding by the minute.

Well, and statistically, they have way more podcasts and influencers and all that. Okay, I have a question for you. You've been doing this a long time. You see, well, I mean, you work for senior bitch. You don't look at day over 35. But like the same washing of Trump, like the sliding into dementia

that we all clearly see. Biden has one misstep. And I mean, including MS. NBC, all of the liberal media, like a media as a whole, just, you know, got right on it, captured it, talked about it. Trump slurs. He makes no sense. He goes off on tangents and they say, Trump had a press conference today, not rambling

Trump made no sense in dementia-ridden press conference. Right. What's that about? Not crazy grandpa shit talks for two hours in a rambling long story about some woman he met in high school. It's crazy. Joe Biden had a bad debate night and the world exploded. That was all that was going to be talked about. There were people who wrote books about it. Hello, Jake. All this other bullshit. And Donald Trump's physical and mental collapse is right in our faces every damn day. He cannot string 20 words together without some wild-ass misstatement of fact.

I would say that kindly. When he's not lying, his stuff. senility in his dementia is so obvious that he does not understand where or what he is, where he is doing. This is a president who is physically and mentally collapsing in front of America and he's in charge of 7,000 nuclear weapons. And he's and he's surrounded by people who know this. This is why Russ fought Project 2025 and Stephen Miller and J.D. Vance and Pete at the market review are all doing their own thing because they can get away with it. Trump doesn't have a clue what's happening around him. And he's easily led and manipulated by the people internally, like his own staff, and externally like Vladimir Putin. He is a guy who is physically

and mentally knocking on death's door loudly. And we're ignoring it as a country. I'll tell you who's not ignoring it are some members of the MAGA movement. And as the media ignores it and sane washes what I thought was a master class on how to travel to Asia with dementia when he just did the tour. I thought it was a master class on that. Guiding it around like a child. Right. But I'll tell you who has taken notice.

And there are some opportunistic, savvy players in the MAGA movement who are already seeing a post-Kanks America that I never mentioned him anymore. And I'm talking about Marjorie Taylor Green. I'm talking about Tucker Carlson. Ted Cruz. And they are stepping out and they rarely ever mention him. they're bringing an economic populist message. They have actually paid attention to the polling of what the American support is for funding the war in Israel, Gaza, and seeing that the poll, it's wildly unpopular.

And so they use a very simple Trumpian xenophobic argument to make that will hit hard and flyover states, which Marjorie Taylor-Grain does this all the time. It's not America first when it's Israel first, and they have health care and higher education, we don't. And for somebody who is not a psycho like the three of us that just like is, you know, well, in my case opinions vary, but yes. As deep in the political news cycle 24-7 and they see it, they're like, well, she doesn't seem so crazy anymore. You know? That's right. Why are we paying that? And it's not that Marjorie, she doesn't give a shit about Palestinian kids. She's an anti-Semite. Yeah. Look,

The, the, the Maga folks that see this coming, that see this, you know, they understand that Trump will die someday. Bachelorial tables are 100% undefeated in all of human history so far. And when he goes, they don't know what world to build. And yes, there is an anti-Semitic underpinning in the Maga movement. There's a, there's a part of it that is wildly anti-Semitic. There's a part of it that doesn't understand how to differentiate between Bibi Netanyahu and Israeli citizens. There's a part of it that looks at that classic sort of populist nationalism and says, America first, bring it home, don't spend money there, spend money here. And it's a longer argument for those people to have in their heads and they're not good with long arguments.

You can see the political motivations of, again, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Marjorie Taylor, Green, Tom Cotton. A lot of these people are looking out into the future, not just two years from now as we wind down in the Trump administration, but 10 years from now where they see a party that he managed to really reshape in his image and they don't know how to unfuck it. They don't know how to make it viable again without him on the ballot. And that was, you know, Trump, Trump rarely tells the truth. But last night he came out and he said Trump wasn't on the ballot.

that's why you lost. That was not an inconsiderable reason. That was a factor. He pulls out these lower propensity voters that ordinarily wouldn't come out to vote what we call ones and twos. Voters are scored on a one to five scale. Five vote in every election. One's vote and only when it's a celebrity. He pulled those people out, but the rest of them can't. And trying to sell Trumpism right now to regular human beings in America, it's like, here, have a delicious shit sandwich. It doesn't work. Right. Right. Exactly. Now, I think that, I think that he is a lane duck and the Republicans are, some Republicans are treating him of such. Of course, Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson will go down with that ship. He will, he is. He'll go down all right. but I wish that the Democratic leadership would ride this vibe right now and make the argument that you made at the top of this podcast.

Look, Zorn's a little further left than I am, but we're not like Trump. He won his primary, fair and square. And we listened to the voters of New York, and we hear the affordability argument. And we're here to support him as a person. because we're a big tent party. New York's a little more liberal than the rest of the country. So it makes perfect sense that he's a little bit more liberal than I am personally. Cory Booker, Chuckles, they all should have, I went to the party, the Zoran party. They all should have been there because establishment Democrats hope go hand in hand,

no matter what it is, but they weren't there. They were AWOL. I mean, these guys, they will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory every single time. I'm done with it. I know I know I should be more polite about it, but I cannot deal with Chuck Schumer and this instantaneous, like, I will send a sternly worded letter. That will teach Donald Trump a less. No, it won't. Fight him to the death. Exactly. And here's the thing. They are playing two different games. The Republicans and the Democrats are playing two different games. And when when Canks was out there saying, they're going to make D.C. estate and Puerto Rico and they're going to stack the court. I think if I was Hakeem

and Chuck, I would stand up and go, you're God damn right. We're going to do every fucking bit of that. We're going to do all of it. As fast as you moved, when we get power back, we're going to move faster. And Merrick Garland fucked up and Joe Biden fucked up by not appointing a

fighter in that position. You're goddamn right. We're going guns of blazing on all of that shit. I got to tell you, I mean, I think the Democrats should be promising right now. We're going to dismantle Project 2025. We are going to dismantle Doge. We are going to hold the people in these mask assholes from ICE and DHS who are zip-tying kids and kicking the doors in the homes of American

citizens without a warrant. We're going to hold them accountable. We're going to cut off Christy Nome's jet. We're going to not let her boyfriend, Corey Lewandowski, you know, run this shit behind closed doors. We're going to drag Stephen Miller up here for a thousand fucking hearings. We're going to get every document. We're going to go into the White House with a chainsaw. We're going to find every secret of this bullshit that's going on. We're going to go into all these corporate donors to the fucking ballroom and they're going to be sitting in front of committees in the House and the Senate. And they're going to get their heads caved in over and over again in public to explain the corruption and the cruelty and the bullshit

that's going on and the criminality in this country. Democrats need to show America. They've got some fight in them. One of the other things that I've had enough of is like, they're like, well, we'll focus group this policy statement and no one will be offended. No, go in and punch bad people in the face over and over again. And yes, does everybody like that? No. But do Americans respond when you fight for them? Yes, they do. Yes. Well, that's why Trump was president twice. Even though he lies through his teeth, he gives the appearance. I'm going to go fight for you. And the focus group situation is what I call pick me politics. And if you try to be a pick me politician, you're going to be milk toast.

Nobody's going to like you. Nobody's going to dislike you. They're not going to have a strong opinion about you at all. When we had Cory Booker on the podcast, he made an argument that nobody really knows who Chuck Schumer is. And I was like, yeah, fair enough. And I thought about it since we filmed. And I said, you know what? Every motherfucker in this country should know.

who Chuck Schumer is because I know everybody knew who Mitch McConnell was. We all knew that turtle mini-stroke train wreck. And everybody should know who the Democratic leadership is. They should be household names. And the focus group situation is so embarrassing. I read an article that said that they had focus group that the Democrat shouldn't talk about LGBTQ plus rights. And I'm like, you dipshits. Andy Bershear talked about it and he won Kentucky twice. Zoran Mondani threw zero groups, zero groups under the bus and took on billionaires and people fucking loved it for him because he believed in something. And he would much rather vote for somebody that believes in something that is a pick me politicians. And the Democrats play this pick me

politics and it drives me fucking crazy. You know, you know, that that moment, one of the weirdest moments of my of my time at Lincoln Project in 2020, before he passed, I had a conversation, one conversation with Harry Reid. You know, the old world of Rick Wilson talking to Harry Reid is like, you know, matter or anti-matter could have never happened. But he said something to me in that conversation. He says, listen, he goes, there have been three great Senate leaders. Lyndon Baines Johnson, myself, and Mitch McConnell.

And Mitch McConnell was a great Senate leader in the minority or the majority because he always had a plan. And he didn't care how to get there. He had a plan to execute on it. And that is not Chuck Schumer. God bless him. I mean, maybe the guy is a lovely person. I don't know him personally. Maybe he's a lovely man, but we are at the point now where fighters are necessary. Yeah. And, and, you know, I'd love to be in a world where we're diplomats were necessary. But right now, street fighters are necessary. And, and that pick me stuff is, I'm so stealing that line. That's a great thing. You can have it. You can have it. But the pick me thing is so true. It's like they don't want to offend anybody. And so what you end up with is something that my, have worked in the beginning, but it gets ground down and it gets like there's no salt in it. There's no spice in it. It's all like vanilla paste. There's nothing wrong with vanilla paste, but it doesn't convince anybody. It doesn't make the world go, wow, okay, this is a different

idea. These people are going to do something that I agree with or that I feel strongly about. You just get this like mush. And that ain't it, folks. No. That ain't it. Okay. I want to ask you this question. How worried are you about the midterm? coming up. You see the gerrymandering and all that. But outside of that, you know, Trump is now saying, well, if you do what I say, they'll never get back in power again. I'm like, I know it's, I know it's corrupt. I know it's illegal because that's his MO. So he wants to do this filibuster thing. And I will say this, John Thune came right out today and said, I don't have the votes. He goes, I don't have the votes. You got to have two thirds of the Senate. That is a real high hill.

you're not going to convince 12 Democrats to join the Republicans and pass an end of the philip. It's not going to happen. And in some ways, I want to encourage them in the fucking filibuster so that when we take the Senate, see how it rolls. But they're not going to do that. And so he's stuck there. The redistricting stuff, you know, look, California, the Prop 50 last night passed with a billion to one. Virginia now has a super majority in the House of Delegates.

If you all want to play fuck around, we got Virginia now and California and Maryland. West Moore came out in Maryland last night and said, well, you know what? Now the election is over. We could do redistricting too. I love that shit. Love him. And in a lot of Republican states, Kansas now, Missouri and Florida, they've all basically said, yeah, we can't really pull this together.

So everybody needs to step back from the table, put the guns down, and not, and let us have a regular old bar fight with a normal, election. I think the redistricting stuff, there may still be some screw around on that, but all the overall climate of the year right now, we are looking at an election that is driven by three things for 26. Democrats now have a pathway to talk about affordability, the economy, jobs, families that isn't culture war. It's nuts and bolts. Hey, I'm going to get these roads paved. Oh, think about that. I mean, that's crazy, right? We're going to build to put new roofs on the schools. That's, you know, all this basic stuff. The second thing is Donald Trump is the most unpopular president of our lifetimes. And I'm 62 years old, and I went

through the numbers in my entire lifetime. There has never been a less popular president at all, at all. And that is a drag on Republicans because they defined themselves as the Trump party. Right. These members of Congress, they're not the, the, the, the, um, the, the, um, the, um, the, Republican member from the third district of Illinois or whatever, they're the MAGA candidate who serves Donald Trump. So they're stuck with him. So as his numbers have gone down, their numbers have gone down. The economy is killing them. The tariffs war is killing them. The shutdown is killing them. All the polling blames them for what Trump has done. And finally, and I think the biggest thing here is Donald Trump will not be on the ballot for 2006. He's not going to be on that

line. And so these these low propensity Republicans who are now sort of becoming dispirited and unhappy are like, fuck it, I'm staying home. And we also saw in New Jersey and Virginia last night the Lincoln Project style Republicans, the moderate Republicans crossed over and voted for Cheryl and for Spanberger. Love it. So on the economy, I feel like the Republicans need to make a big shift in the manner that they talk about this. Not the Republicans. The Democrats need to make a big shift on the way that they talk about this. Republicans have always undeservedly gotten the accreditation that we're so good with the economy we're fiscally conservatives. And it's a total heaping pile of bullshit.

I can tell you as a Republican, that's a pile of bullshit. Right. It is one of the biggest lies that has been perpetrated on the American public that Republicans are fiscally conservative and that trickle down economic works. And that propaganda where we are from, Oklahoma, it hits really hard with Lincoln Project style Republicans. They say, I'm fiscally conservative and I'm socially liberal. And the Republicans do a really good job for doing decades-long propaganda that embeds into the electorate to take credit for things that they did not earn.

Right. The Democrats operate under assumption politics. We assume nobody is going to vote for Donald Trump. Well, they fucked around and he won twice. right now they are ignoring Marjorie Taylor Green and I keep screaming from the rooftops we have a fucking problem here and they just assume nobody's going to vote for her because she's the crazy Q&on Jewish laser lady and I think Democrats have to start messaging Republicans fuck up the economy every single

time then they need to message how many big red cities can you name how many big red cities that are economic hubs that are you know, big donor cities, name me one big red city. You can't fucking do it. No. And the Democrats need to start doing this and it makes me fucking crazy that they're playing patty cake at the Congress talking about stupid shit. Let me break this sound into two parts because you made two really good points. First off, Marjor Taylor Green is craftier that people are giving her credit for. Yes. I don't think she's smart, but I think she's crafty. And there's a difference.

And crafty in politics is a good, Donald Trump's not smart. He's crafty as fuck, okay? Right. He is a sly motherfucker when it comes to emotionally powerful things with the base. I think she's crafty and I think she's playing a game right now where she's going to say a little bit of like, I was drawn into Maga because of my good heart about helping poor people, but it was a lie. Now, here's the real me.

I think it's bullshit, but I think that's what she's playing at. I want to say this, though, about Democrats and economics. messaging. They have for too long come out with policy papers and big, thick briefing books and slide decks in PowerPoint. So here's our plan. Read chapter seven, appendix four, and you'll be convinced. It's what I call the Ezra Klein theory of politics. You know what? When Ezra Klein's like, you may think you know about toboggins, but the history is, you know, there's a joke about that. But it's like they need to speak to people in America in American. They need to talk about jobs in ways that aren't wrapped up in some weird policy statement or some or some catch-all

bill that nobody really understands. Because as good as the Inflation Recovery Act was for a lot of things, nobody understood what it did. They couldn't they were sold it in plain English to regular people. And I think there's an opportunity for Democrats right now because Silicon Valley, and private equity and Wall Street and all this enormous wealth in this country at the very top is expanding a thousand times faster than families in this country. Real wages in this country creep and the value in private equity and Wall Street and Silicon Valley leaps vertical every day. And I think there's a way for Democrats to start saying, you know, we got to build an economy that isn't just guys, who have a summer home in the Hamptons.

We've got to build an economy that isn't just weird-ass guys in electric cars in Silicon Valley. We've got to build an economy that in farm country and in manufacturing country makes sense. We've got to build an economy that gives a shit about real people. We've got to train people for real jobs. We've got to educate people for real jobs. And stop trying to make everything into this hyper-sophisticate. Like I said, the Ezra Klein argument. people don't need all that nuance and back of the room think tank bullshit they want to hear real talk and

you know and it speaks to how the marjorie taylor greens and the donald trumps use very simple languaging and i think if the democrats were to go into deeply red places and say we need an economy that isn't built on lies the republican party has lied to you they've used their faith against you and they've tried to create a boogeyman for you to hate and who you should hate is that one percent who they're always Donald Trump riding around his golf cart saying I'm low in your taxes you've been lied to by the Republican Party and have some fire in it and keep it very simple keep it very black and white but I agree with you it is this when we have some of these Democratic politicians on the podcast and you ask him a question which is a fucking layup for

them to answer and then 30 seconds into the answer I'm like yeah it's like well as in my role on the subcommittee for toilet seat standards I can tell you we passed several bills that would improve the possibility. No, stop it. And, you know, there's a classic American fight of small against big. Americans were always the small against the big. And that's the Great Depression. That's World War II. That's all these things in American history. I think reframing this because the Democrats as the party of big government is a lie, but the party against big entitlement and big wealth and big control and big tech and big insurance and big banks, that's a pathway where they can go out and Americans will go, those are my guys, those are my guys. They're going

to go kick the shit. You know, Elon Musk does not need a eighth private jet. He does literally have eight private jets, by the way, just so you know. He doesn't need an eighth private jet. If he's worth a trillion fucking dollars, well, then he can pay five percent more in marginal taxes every year or pay marginal taxes at all. You know, there's a lot where they can, where they can, they've got a cast of villains to run against now because Republicans all say, well, you know, if you raise those taxes, it's going to be mom and pop on Main Street who pay the price. It's bullshit. It's a lie. But Democrats never wanted to tell that story evocatively. Well, and I think here's an important message that the Democrats haven't messaged.

And the Republicans have done a very good job. The Republicans have spoken, spoke. about privatization and how important it is and how much preferable that is and the democrats have not offered an alternative which the facts are aligned with their policy if you are for privatization then you're going to be on a Boeing and your door of your airplane is going to fucking fly off because there's been zero regulations on that and it's better for you to have these services that are a matter of life and death in the hands of people that aren't doing it for profit because every time it's for profit look no further than the pharmaceutical industry the fertilizer industry the military industrial complex the tobacco industry 12 times out of 10 they're going to dick you over

and they don't give a shit if you or somebody you love dies but the government does and the democrats have not offered a defense and that's why the public was so down with all of these normal everyday civil servants that worked for the government getting fired because the Democrats have never explained how life-saving and important those jobs are. Is there room for cuts? Yes, but I believe it was somebody that worked under Elon Musk that they interviewed that said, I was actually really surprised at how efficient the government was, and I didn't find that much waste. You know, years ago, a guy who was the Secretary of the Air Force was a friend of mine, a guy named Don Rice years ago. We were talking about this one night, and he said,

you know, here's what Americans want. They want a government that's smaller, smarter, and better. And I think those all could be done. I think the Democrats could run on those three things. You know, we do have bloat in the government. Sure, 100%. We could do things a lot smarter, 100%. But we could also craft a government that is more about taking care of things that people need in their lives. You know, during World War II, we provided child care because women had to go to work in the factories while men were fighting the Nazis.

We did things in our country that today, you know, people with, oh, that's communism. But you know what? I look at the rest of the world and the things that they do for people. And if we had a structure in our country where this absolutely incomprehensible amount of wealth that has been generated from private equity, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley, was a count. at all? And I say this from a conservative economic perspective. These guys get a free fucking ride on regulations, on taxes, on on on everything. We support and and and basically fund them and provide them with an enormous amount of wealth and protection. When the when the

banks went tits up in 2008 wasn't those poor fuckers who lost their houses and and were upside down on their mortgages who got bailed out. It was J.P. Morgan. Yep. you know all this and the airlines you know the airlines have been billed out all on the airlines i think have been bailed out like five times in my lifetime and what an important message that the democrats should be crawling all up like moses mike grinder johnson's ass this is what pisses me on no you don't don't don't turn him on he's going to have to report you on his porn app it pisses me off to that Democrats don't call because the Christian Nationalists brought faith into the political discourse. And I think Republicans need to, I mean, Democrats need to respond to that to say,

this guy, this guy's your example of Jesus, the guy that's the pedophile protector that doesn't do anything to fight for young kids to eat. And they need to call it out directly. Hakeem did a few days ago. He talked about the pedophile protection program. And I was like, yes, more of that. Now take it further and call him a Christian hippocamp. Because when they quit playing pick-me politics and they put a little fight in their step, it works. And I remember, and y'all probably do too in 2015 when Trump called Ted Cruz lion Ted and Marco Rubio, little Rubio, little Marco. I loved it. And what was he?

What was Jeb Bush? Low energy Jeb. Low energy, Jeb. There was something at the beginning of that. Nobody ever thought he was going to win or go anywhere. You know, we all assumed because, you know, assumption politics. But there was something refreshing about calling out these fuck twats that just lie to us all the time. You know, there was, and I wish the Democrats would start doing that.

You know, the, the passion that you want to see in a candidate, too often the consultants are saying, now you need to be a statesman right now. Right. I was very successful with a lot of candidates when I was a political consultant because I told them, you have to show fight you have to show people what you're going to do you can't don't be the diplomat now and and sometimes you have to punch the other guy in the face and then they would they would hesitate oh i don't want to do that my country club members would not like it if i and i always had one line i'm like so here's the deal on election day you're going to feel terrible if you lose and if you do

these things you're going to feel terrible if you win is what you're telling me but do you want on election day have the title Scumbag or the Honorable Scumbag because the Honorable Scumbag gets to go to Washington and be in the fucking Senate or gets to be the governor or gets to be a member of Congress and a lot of them thankfully you know shows the honorable

scumbag route but it is a fight you have to show people that you will fight and you have to call out the things that you see and and Trump's greed and corruption and selfishness has become the brand of the Republican Party. Democrats have not figured this out yet. They still think, well, we're going to run against this guy in this district because, you know, we looked at his vote on the. The things Trump has done are unpopular with

two-thirds of the American people. Right. And by unpopular, I mean like, like radioactive waste unpopular. And it's just, it's just an open opportunity for them to go in there and speak American two people. You know, Bill Clinton's speechwriter was a guy named David Cousinant. He wrote a book called Speaking American because Bill Clinton used small words, easily understandable, spoke to people at a seventh or eighth grade education level, and they found it persuasive. Trump does the same thing. Democrats abandoned the multi-syllable words to get across the central argument. What do you think as a political strategist, what do you think about the way Zoran ran his campaign? So look, I think, you know, You mentioned yourself, Zoran's a little to my left, but his campaign, just from a technical

perspective, was brilliant. It was disciplined every day. He communicated where the voters were, which is social media, which is earned media and press. You know, voters in New York do not spend their day locked onto their television set. You know, you're commuting, you're working, you're around. It's not that kind of place, but they do get their news from their phones. He ran a campaign that was mediated by this, camera again, by the phone. So he used social media brilliantly.

His affordability riff over and over and over again worked to build up a pad of support for him. Yes, he won Brooklyn by 80%. But he also overperformed in Queens, which is a more conservative part of the city. He overperformed even on Staten Island. He didn't win Staten Island, but he did better than anybody thought. because the affordability and economics cuts across every ideological boundary right now. You know, the higher price of groceries, it's unspinnable. You're looking at that bill when you're in when you're in H.E.B. or Publix or Whole Foods

or whatever, and you, that's not spinnable. So families feel that. And when he talked about it over and over and over again, and when you see New York as this city with this insane wealth on the top end and people who, who, you know, a middle-class family in New York now has a $300,000 income. And that's, it's impossible to raise a child there. You know, that, and so he kept that discipline and that focus every day. He also was a happy warrior, which counts in politics.

You know, people, people, you see certain presidential candidates, whether you agree with them or disagree with them, they were happy warriors. Reagan was a happy warrior. Bill Clinton was a happy warrior. George W. Bush was a happy warrior. And, you know, things got shitty on September 11th, but he was a happy warrior in the campaign in 2000. Barack Obama was a happy warrior. Pessimistic candidates have a much harder hill to climb.

And this being a change election cycle where people want a change, Mom, Dami was able to run against Cuomo, who basically functionally became Trump in the race. Right. And he ran a brilliant campaign. I mean, there's just technically a lot to learn from it. the branding was great. The logos were great. The music and the video composition was great. And people felt like they knew him. He became a friend to people through the social media stuff. And they liked it a lot. Now, being mayor is a hard fucking job. It's the hardest job in America.

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that mean you like them listen it's not that i like them or hate them it's that i understand that they're a sign that the other side is is pissed off at you and that you're doing your job yep so hit them hit it i like it i see that's how cool i like it that's a winning attitude that is that is the brand of fuck you politics that i need in a leadership position right now you know as i like to say make me democratic chair for a week i will change the entire party it will not be pretty, but it will be fun. No, we need to have. We need to embrace.

Totally. I would be in, Rick. Politics and head straight into fuck you politics. People are craving it. And that's what the focus group is never going to pick up on. Correct. Okay. Had it or hit it, Florida.

I'm a fifth generation Florida man. My granddaughter is a seventh generation Florida woman, but I have had it. Yeah. I live in North Florida. I live, I'm practically Rhonda Sanis' next door neighbor. I love my state on some levels. but I've had it. It's just, it's such an ugly place now, both spiritually and physically.

It's developed, like it's overdeveloped like crazy. It's the politics here is so ugly and cruel and shitty. And it's, I hate saying that, but I've had it. What's going on with kitten hills? What's he up to? I mean, he thought he was the big heir apparent to Trump. And I haven't really seen that tough guy or his kitten heel around much at all. You know, here, here's the thing.

he did not understand that Trump would never let him back in the circle right because Trump's chief of staff Susie Wiles used to work for DeSantis and DeSantis his wife Casey Macbeth I call her Casey decided Susie Wiles had to go and humiliated her publicly and Susie Wiles has never forgotten that and she pisses in Trump's ear about DeSantis all the time he's he's he's dead but he's too dumb to lay down yeah I've had it with him yeah he's over i did see him though very recently on fox news and you know he has that weird mouth he has no riz people talk about how yes so he is on there i swear to god during the interview he's sitting

they're going he's like really trying you can see the you can see it overcompensity human program seven smile fetchingly it's yeah exactly right that's exactly it's really inauthentic to say the least oh god yeah the guy's a hot rack hot mask i just that photograph of him with the white rain boots on yeah that is just i mean it is just absolute perfection and it tells you that when you are a politician that paints over pride sidewalks if you would have had a gay person on staff they would have never out you to be in front of a camera and those ridiculous i have a theory of i have a theory that is related to that okay let's hear it is that is that his staff

hates him. Yeah. Has to be. That is my theory. His staff hates him. They have to. He is an incredibly unpleasant person. Incredibly unpleasant.

And it will never be president. He's just there's, there's, it's poison. Yeah. Okay. Had it or hit it? Trump's ballroom. Oh God. Had it.

I wrote a piece right after the East Wing was torn down. When I was at the White House, at the White House, I mean, the East Wing was this beautiful historic place. It was a symbol of American generosity and graciousness and hospitality. And that place would be, one day, it would be a team of junior high basketball championship girls. And the next day would be astronauts. And the next day, it would be Nobel Prize winners. And the next day, it would be kids working in an apprentice program. And it was a special historic place and the obscenity of him tearing it down. In the 10 years of Trump, other than January 6th,

I can't think of something that made me more emotionally angry than that. It was just such an obscenity, and it's such an arrogant Saddam Hussein-like ego thing. Just really infuriating. Did you see where now, because of the advanced dementia, that they have in gold lettering put on the outside of the oval office it says the oval office and it's like you fucking dipsets it's rounded everybody fucking knows that everybody gets it everybody gets it these people you know this is like an insane medieval king they all know that he's not the guy in power anymore he still has that that ability to command but but everybody knows this game is ending yeah this game is winding down and it's curtains and and none of the people around him by the

way who are getting away with murder right now quite literally in stephen miller's case yes democrats if you let them go you are fools they will spread the virus if you don't hold them to account when he's when he's gone agree you think they wouldn't you think that they would ever fucking blink if an Obama or Kamala Harris did something to the Oval Office. Let me tell you. Let's before we even get into the war crimes. If I put up, if I was Barack Obama and I put up Timu Horhouse decor stick on gold leaf bullshit all over the White Oval Office, Fox News would be running a 24-hour

thing, the desecration of the White House. And there would be people in the street with pitchforks and torches. Yeah. Because it is. There's a southern word that my grandmother, he says, Gradu. I don't know if y'all know that word. We say grawdo in Oklahoma. Right.

Well, the gradu all over the White House is a sign of his dementia also. Yeah, I agree. He wants to be somewhere that looks like Mar-a-Lago. So he's comfortable. It looks like his Liberace, Bukaki, Spooge, glitter, fucking whatever. Marie-Anne. Yeah. I also have this theory, Rick, that the real,

psychotic planners that are thinking long term here that went to dismantle all the constitution they realize let's give him projects we'll give him arts and crafts projects and he can have show and tell with the billionaires and oval he can build his arc he can do his ballroom and we'll keep him occupied with the Lincoln bathroom 100% while Russ Vaught Stephen Miller and Peter Thiel and Steve Bannon yeah where they really fuck it up because they know that if they do not consolidate power in him right now they do not have an heir apparent that can go win a real election you think jd vance the failed drag queen is going to win a general no and kitten

hills everybody hates his ass you know so jd vans jd vans is is is a guy who is really trying to play act charisma and it yeah no and the whole erika kirk jd vans thing is just weird so gross It's so weird. The way that whole thing has rolled out has just been so bizarre. My favorite, my favorite, some woman on Instagram, she's like, ooh, Usha, you in danger, girl. Okay, Rick Wilson, last one. How did it or hit it, the United States of America? Hit it. I'm keeping it. I'm going to fight for it. They're going to carry me out feet first out of this fight, most likely. You know, I'm just going to, I'm going to keep plugging away for this place because we are the inheritors of a tremendous gift. Our country didn't start out perfect, and we have, but we have millions of people who have

sacrificed their lives on the battlefield and in the streets and in courts and in Congress and who've tried to build something that honored the Constitution and the founders and the sacrifices that generations before us have made. And I absolutely refuse to give that up to this petty, tyrant and his and his scusy little minions and this grotesque movement that they think is going to replace the republic and american democracy just won't do it yeah i love that we'll leave it there rick wilson of the lincoln project thank you for all of the work thanks so much for both you for having me i really appreciate it it was so fun yeah it's so fun i'm so glad that we

collabed and let's just keep to keep fighting them let's keep pushing the dims to do a better job and let's just be ridiculing the fuck out of these fucking tyrants hate ridicule that's why I deliver it hot every day love it Rick Wilson

appreciate you thanks but bye okay I just think he's fantastic I really I mean I cannot believe this is just now having him on

I like everything he does I want to see it and he delivers what the Democrats haven't tapped into which is this kind of rage you know with with status quo

politics with MAGA, with Democratic establishment. He's a very good communicator. And I think his idea of going to run the DNC doing it like a two-month little stick there. I'm all for that. I think that that could be something unorthodox that they need to try to get off of the focus groups

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