I've Had It - My Crazy Uncle with Mary Trump

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

We all have a crazy uncle, but todays guest has the craziest one of them all. Jennifer and Pumps are joined by Mary Trump to talk about the insanity that is Donald Trump. The girls ask all the hard-hitting questions, like: "Does he even believe in God?" "Is he really not an alcoholic?" "Have you ever seen him without the comb-over?" and Mary answers them all. Pumps has had it with ti**y baby football players who can't hold their own water bottle and Jennifer whips a few of her famous dramatic readings of some of our idiotic hate comments. Come see I've Had It live on the Hot Sh*t Tour! More info & tickets available at https://linktr.ee/ivehaditpodcast and subscribe to I've Had It wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you to our sponsors: L'Oreal Paris: This episode of I’ve Had It is brought to you by the new L’Oreal Paris Bright Reveal Dark Spot Serum and Broad-Spectrum SPF 50 Daily Lotion. Dark Spots? Game Over! Discover the new Bright Reveal Dark Spot Duo! Visit Target online and in-store to buy yours today! BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/HADIT today and get 10% off your first month. Happy Mammoth: Listener, you can get your first bottle of Hormone Harmony for 15% OFF if you use the code HADIT on the checkout page. Go to HappyMammoth.com and enter the promo code HADIT on the checkout page. Valid till November 30th. Shopify: Sign up for a $1 per month trial period at shopify.com/hadit and take your business to the next level today. Quince: Take the drama out of planning an outfit and upgrade your closet with Quince today! Go to Quince.com/hadit for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Bombas: Go to Bombas.com/HADIT and use code HADIT for twenty percent off your first purchase. Lume: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code hadit at lumepodcast.com! #lumepod Just Thrive: Get 20% off your first 90-day bottle of Just Calm and Just Thrive Probiotic today – Visit JustThriveHealth.com and use promo code: HADIT Blueland: Blueland has a special offer for listeners. Right now, get 15% off your first order by going to Blueland.com/HADIT Apartments.com: Apartments.com is making Earth more habitable than it’s ever been, no matter where you’re from. Apartments.com. The place to find a place. Subscribe to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/IveHadItPodcast Follow Us: I've Had It Podcast: @Ivehaditpodcast Jennifer Welch: @mizzwelch Angie "Pumps" Sullivan: @pumpspumpspumps Special Guest: Mary Trump @MaryLTrump

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Nobody's 100% all the time. No, nobody is. I wish I was. I know, I know. You're six foot three and turn 15 pounds, though. Absolutely. Well, what have you had it with? What I've had it with is you know, I know. You are six foot, three and turn are 15 pounds though. Absolutely. Well, what have you had it with? What I've had it with is you know I may glutton

when it comes to consuming football. Yes. And what I have found that I have fucking had it with when I watch football is that these trainers hold the Gatorade bottle squirter and squirt it into the mouths of the athletes so that they don't have to hold the bottle themselves. And in my mind, I'm thinking, these guys bench press at least 350 pounds and they can't hold a fucking water bottle.

I mean, I've had it with that. Why can't grown men hold their own drinks? It's ridiculous. It's the height of entitlement. All right, I have a couple things here. Number one, your life must be fucking A plus plus if this is your grievance. I've had it for years, but now I just have a vehicle to express my habit. Every year, it reminds me all over again how idiotic that is. So I mean, I'm mystified that such a thing has gotten in your cross so severely for years. Okay, that's number one. Number two, I thought you were going to say when the athletes score a touchdown and they pump their chest and then look up

Because I've all that's always bothered me. It's too much. I mean act like you've been there before My thing is like are we thinking if you believe in a higher power That the higher power prefers one team and certain athletes over the others. I don't know if it's that or just I'm so if I can cool look at me. I don't know if it's that or just, I'm so fucking cool, look at me. That's what I get it. So it sounds like you've kind of had it with some of these football players. I've just had it, it's not just one.

If it were just one, I could do it, but it is across the board, NFL and college. But I don't know that it's the football players fall. Well, it's just that they titty baby and did death. That's what we're getting at, is the titty baby. The titty baby. And I've had that they titty baby and did death. That's what we're getting at is the titty baby. The titty baby. And I've had it with titty babies that are completely capable of holding their own water,

their bottle, their bottle and what irritates me. And it's not always the case. But I would say the majority of the time, it's a female squirting the water into their mouth. So that bugs me. Really? Like a female trainer, yes. Not always, but majority.

You do watch a lot of football. I've seen that before. I don't watch that much football. And I watch tennis and they hold their own water bottles and just don't know what's going on with the titty babies. I mean, they tackle each other. They tackle each other. They lift a gazillion pounds away. It's they deadlift. They do all that, but tackle each other. They tackle each other. They lift a gazillion pounds of weights.

They deadlift. They do all that, but they cannot hold a 40 ounce water bottle to squirt it in their mouth. I'm just gonna say I'm kind of neutral on this. I don't really give a shit. You have to get just looks ridiculous. I can't get into football because you can't see their facial expression.

Right. They have on these helmets and these pads and you can sense when they do a dance or something at the end zone that they're excited about it, right? But beyond that, I've had a hard time emotionally attaching to football because you cannot see their facial expression. But I know what they look like.

I can tell by their body language they're excited, so I don't have a problem with that at all. Okay. Let me tell you one thing though, you're going to crack up. So I, young oldest, youngest, youngest had a sporting event on Friday, first, a way football game. So my mom picks me up and we're riding out to this little town outside of Oklahoma City. She doesn't say, as I get in the car, she doesn't say, hi, how are you? How was your day? She just looks at me and goes, I hate how big you've got your lips. It looks like a little bitty, monkey's ass. Either that or a possum's ass. She didn't say ass, of course, she said but.

And I was just like, well, I'm sorry to hear that because I really like them. But I just thought that was classic. Oh, so she's trolling you for your lip injection. Yes, and I love my lip injection. I know you do. I do love them. I know you do.

You love a big duck lip. These are not duck lips. They were run after you had them done. They have. Because they were swollen. They have toned down. I think they look good. Or you could just call me monkey lips. Monkeys ass lips. Monkeys ass lips. I like them. Yeah. So I thought that was hilarious. So let me tell you what I've had it with. Okay. I have had it with a few comments that we get

on social media. I'm going to read you a couple. Okay. Okay. Here's one from Julie. Julie says, y'all are just getting too political. Just do your funny stuff, please. And here's another one from Green Eyes 433. I'm deleting you guys just way too liberal. I just want to hear your

funny shit. I don't want to hear your politics done. So I think here's what we're going to do, listener. What we'll do is completely revamp the podcast for Julie and green eyes. Absolutely. And curate it to their sensibilities. because I didn't realize that we were doing the podcast for these few white snowflake women that cannot tolerate feeling uncomfortable. Well, that alone. And so I mean, I just think number one, how incredibly narcissistic that you go on to somebody's podcast page. It has, you're in my photograph, right? In her name, I've had it, which Jennifer Welch and Angie Pumps Sullivan. And on that podcast, we are grown-ass women and we have our very own opinions. Right.

And we get to express them, but Julie and Green Eyes, they don't believe it. They don't want us to do it unless they're probably their politics. Correct. Then they wouldn't be so but hurt about it. Sure. They probably wouldn't even notice. But here's what I want to tell Julie and Green Eyes is, that is some white woman shit. That's true.

You cannot talk about anything uncomfortable. And let me tell you, Julie and Green Eyes, as grown-ass women, you cannot talk about anything uncomfortable. And let me tell you, Julie and Green Eyes, as grown-ass women, we live in abortion-band America. Yep. We live in the state of Oklahoma where women have lost reproductive rights and privacy. And so it would be remiss, I agree,

and immoral on our part, not to discuss it. And so I just think there are so many other podcasts for Julian Green Eyes instead of trying to get to stubborn, middle-aged, batshit, crazy women to make the podcast you want us to make. Maybe Julian Green Eyes could make their own podcast. They could team up and make their own podcast, and then they would never have to think about us again. Think about, could you imagine watching somebody's opinion podcast or listening to it?

And then going to their page and telling them, you need to curate this for me. Just do your pony tricks and be funny, right? All of your other opinions don't matter. And I've had it with these women. Quit hate listening. Get off our fucking pages. Pack your shit and get them fuck out because we are not changing. I don't know how many times that we have to go over this. This is like, like we double down, triple down, quadruple down, we're on like attempt number 20 to tell you people, this is not performative.

Right. This is, this is something that we were advised not to do, not today. Don't talk about politics on your podcast. They told us, you don't want to offend people. And we thought, eh, fuck it. Pumps is super old. I'm approaching midlife. Why? Why not? And so this is something that we believe in and something that we stand for. And there's these are peppered all through. And it's just like and then if you go click on their names and you go to following, they follow all the Trumpers. Right. Laura, Eric, Ivanka, Jared, all of them. They followed the whole kit and caboodle.

You know, I hate to say this, but I don't even wanna be on that list. Like if that's who they're following, please take me off. I'll stop following. Don't contaminate our brand. Do not contaminate us with that. No, thank you.

If you follow any DJ blockers. Yes, immediately block us. Block us immediately. Yeah, thank you. You follow any DJ block. Yes, immediately block it block us immediately Yeah, go over and listen to Ben Shapiro. Yep. Just go just go ride that boy all day long, right? But we don't want you it embarrasses us that we would be in the same following list We don't want that kind of company and you know the more y'all do this Just the more political we're gonna get because we're old and fucking crazy. We're rebels. That's right That's right welcome to I've had it I'm Angie. Oh, I forgot to say my name. I'm Jennifer. Jennifer. Hi

Poms Princess Diana Kylie. How are you? I'm good. Do you have anything to share with us? I do. I have another comment right up that alley if you want some more. Oh good Yeah, you're right on it. I'll be that horse up that alley if you want some more. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. You're right. I can't believe that horse. This one's actually a review. They decided to leave. Okay. Her name is belly girl.

One star. And the title is insulting. Hahaha. Four minutes into the podcast episode. And they're clearly anti a particular political community speaks volumes. You just found on. I hope it does. She's smart. anti a particular political community speaks volumes. I just found on. I hope it does. She's smart. I, I, you know what? The deduction skills on that one star review or five star.

That's right. She fucking cracked the case in four minutes. Get for her. And was so but hurt. She had to go leave a one star review. And that review I wholly support. 100%. What's your name? Belly dancer? Belly girl. Belly girl. Yeah.

We oppose your political movement. We oppose fascism. Please block us also. Yes, block us immediately. Belly girl. I've got one more that hates you just because they hate you not because you're political. I have a lot of feelings.

This person, LM123 underscore two wrote These two women are so bitter It's painful that they are on my feet when I don't even follow them I'm not gonna really gonna argue with that. There's a lot of truth a lot of truth to that Yeah, I heard somebody wrote somewhere like You guys just if it's something that you don't do, then y'all are opposed to it. And I'm like, yeah, pretty much.

Right. Spod on. Yeah. Okay. Pumps, legs are on water, bottle around, therefore football players fuck off, drink. That's right. If I'm carried my Stanley and my simply modern,

we're the fuck are they with theirs? Well, on brand today, with all of this hatred that we get served, is I mean, this is a fantastic guest. And everybody's got a crazy fucking uncle, right, Pumps? Everybody has one. Callie, you got crazy family members? Oh yeah, yeah.

Everybody's got crazy uncles, crazy aunts, but there was one woman that has the craziest fucking uncle on the whole globe. I mean, out of eight billion people, she wins. She wins. Winner, winner, chicken, dinner. The craziest uncle award goes to our next guest. And our next guest listener is Mary Trump. She is the author of

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My mother is a huge fan of yours. Yes has read your books. She prepared a list of questions for us She studied psychology When I was in middle middle school went back to college So your slant on all of the political stuff that's going on with rooting it back into psychology is incredibly interesting, especially with your bird's-eye view from, you know, so many decades. You know, I really appreciate the appreciation of the psychology because, you know, particularly with my first book, I felt like if I didn't nail the psychology in a way

that had a lot of explanatory power for people who maybe weren't so familiar with the terminology, I would have failed. So it makes me very happy when especially people who have a background in psychology feel like I got it right. especially people who have a background in psychology feel like I got it right. We don't have psychology degrees, but we have been in so much psychoanalysts and therapy that we feel like we're psychologists. Just to even place one on the podcast sometimes. I play a psychologist slash psychoanalyst on this podcast. I've had it with the caveat to the listener that I'm not a licensed psychologist. However, I've had it with the caveat to the listener that I'm not a licensed psychologist. However, I've had, you know, years and years and years of therapy, so I feel like I am

one. But Mary, we want to ask you today, what have you had it with? Where to start? I think my answer changes every time I look at the news. But today, I read a poll or, but today I read a poll, or I read an article about a poll show in the Donald and Biden or Neck and Neck. And I know it's early days.

I know that that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but to me, that is a sign of how far we've fallen. You know, you hear about Biden's age. Well, Biden's old. Okay, well, Donald is a racist, homophobic, anti-American traitor. Tried to steal election, and by the way, is also old. Right. And charge with 91 felonies. Right. I know, I can see that didn't even make my list. Right. I mean, I agree with you.

It's really alarming. We live in a red state. We live in Oklahoma City. But in the city, it's purple. So I don't really see like this overt Trumpism. But if you get a little bit outside and into the suburbs, I'm like, oh shit, there they are. And they're for real.

Because if you live in an urban area, you feel like, oh, okay, yeah, America's good. Everybody's normal. Everybody, you know, nobody's, I'm around as homophobic. Nobody, I'm around as a racist. This is good. We all seem to be fighting the good fight. And then you just get a little bit outside of urban areas

and it's jaw dropping, what's going on. And then all of those areas add up to be a number that is equal to the populated areas. And it's terrifying because we live in a state, we live in abortion-ban America. So we live in a state where these policies and those Supreme Court justices are impacting women in our state.

There has been a backlash. Our most recent gubernatorial race, a lot of women that I was for sure were Republicans. All of a sudden they're out of the closet. No, we're not. We oppose Trump. We oppose this Supreme Court and they're getting louder and organizing in red state. So I think that that's going to be really helpful and an interesting component. But what we were talking about before you came on here was everybody has a

crazy uncle. And you fucking win, Mary. That is a lottery. I would have been more than happy to lose. Mary. Okay, that is a lottery. I would have been more than happy to lose. Yeah, and actually just a quick funny story during a debate. I don't remember which one it was. It may have been the debate with President Biden before the 2020 election. One of the moderators and responses to some idiotic thing Donald said was, you know, come on, you're not somebody's crazy uncle. All I tweeted actually, none of my tweets has ever performed better. Yeah, he's out of his mind. Not that that should let him off the hook for a thing. But it seems like we all do have at least one of those in our family and it's really taking a toll, hasn't it?

Absolutely. Absolutely. I was interested in, okay, so I've been a diehard of the Mary Trump show since the jump. And one question, I always listened to it on my walks and so I'm walking and I'm thinking this is before we had a podcast. It was like, if I had one question for Mary Trump, it would be. Does he believe the lies that he tells, like when he lays his head on the pillow at night,

has he convinced himself that the election was stolen from him? Or does he know it's bullshit when he says it? Well, shockingly, the answer is both. The main thing to know about Donald and I'm sure you have both sus this out is that he believes he deserves everything. He deserves to win. He deserves to be treated better than everybody else. He deserves all of the money, et cetera. And that means that he'll win, he'll take the win no matter what. In other words, if he can only win

by lying, cheating, and stealing, that's okay because he deserves it. Right, so initially, he totally knows his bullshit. But he kind of gas lights himself over time. And that's because the alternative is conceding that he's a loser somehow, which is the worst thing you could be in my family. So in order to protect his very fragile ego,

he actually buys so thoroughly into the lie that he does believe it on some level, which is why he can be convincing to people who are willing to believe him in the first place. Like the rest of us can tell when he's lying and we're not never going to buy it. But the people in his these are going to believe anything he says. So if he can inject the lie with even a little bit of authenticity, he'll do it. So, you know, a lot of this is operating on the unconscious level, but the truth of the matter is, he both knows and doesn't allow himself to know, which is kind of confusing to him of all more than anybody actually. So I have a question.

So we live in what would be considered the Bible belt. And I don't know that many Trump supporters, but the ones that I have met and encountered are die hard evangelicals. Okay. And that seems to go hand in hand, the punitive nature of evangelicalism, where it's a punitive religion. If you don't do this, you're going to burn forever. It really seems to set the psychological soil for an authoritarian like Donald Trump, who also his politics are very punitive. And that's the link that I have. But here's what I want to know. Is he even religious?

Here's what I want to know. Is he even religious? No. No. No. Sorry, I do mean the left. I mean, you would think he is because, you know. I don't think he is. I mean, I don't.

I don't get that vibe from him. I think it's such bullshit that he panders. My mother was, she's a die hard liberal and she was so relieved when all the evangelicals came out and started supporting him because she said, finally, they are exposing themselves for the hypocrites that I always knew that they were. And so it was a relief to her because here he is, the porn star, the playboy Benny, the racism, all the stuff is not very Jesus-y, if you will. And so then when I see

all of these just die-hard evangelicals that are also equal parts die-hard trumpers, I'm like, I don't even think this guy's a Christian at all. Yeah, and it's, and I don't care. I mean, I, one of the biggest problems we're facing right now is the erosion between church and state. Totally. He doesn't believe in God. And again, I don't care about that either, but you said it exactly right.

The problem is that he panders and lies to those people on the religious right, mostly white evangelicals, and they have so much power in politics in this country that that's the danger. I mean, we've seen the shift like that white evangelicals are complaining that, you know, that the teachings of Jesus are too soft. Burning away from them, which should tell you everything you need to know about what's happening in the white evangelical community. But I mean, we don't really need to look at it further than the fact that they have chosen Donald Trump of all people, right, be their patron saint, if you will. Right. That's the question I don't get. How do they reconcile this man that grabs women by the privates, who cheats on his wives

with zero guilt about it, who rapes women who does all of these things. How do they reconcile that with the evangelical side of the purity culture and all the things that they say are so important to them. All religions have very wily ways of getting what they want, by which I mean, there's always an explanation. God works in mysterious ways. Or God has chosen this imperfect vessel to test us. That's the one that gets me.

There are always ways to make sure that the religious view is preferenceed, no matter how hypocritical it might seem. So Donald is there imperfect vessel, and I guess they're also, and that the unspoken part is that they, he represents their desire to be cruel, their desire to trample on people, less fortunate, their desire to be supreme over other races, over other religions, what have you.

It's really kind of terrifying. It is. It's so counterintuitive, the whole thing to me. Okay, another, I saw you in an interview because I'm very good at my algorithm getting all your misrecent interviews immediately. And one that you gave, and it's been a couple of years now,

you said, the child that flips on him first will be Ivanka. And I'm like, what's this, I mean, why her, where do you come from that? I mean, how do you get there? Well, she's the most calculating of them. She's smarter than her. And I'm only going to talk about the three oldest because the rest of them aren't really relevant. She's smarter than her and I'm only going to talk about the three oldest because the rest

of Marl really relevant. She's smarter than her two brothers which isn't really saying much of anything at all. And it's not that she's more transactional because they're all transactional. Every single relationship in my family is transactional. Like if Donald felt that it would do him any good, he'd throw Ivanka under the bus, but you know, that won't get him anywhere. So the reason I think she will is because she understands that she has more to gain by separating herself from him than sticking with him. She actually is a wealthy woman separate from him because she's married to a wealthy guy who's been made more wealthy by Saudi Arabian blood money. Right. She doesn't need daddy to keep her, to keep her, whereas her brothers are totally dependent

on their father for their wealth. With Donnie in particular, like their identity is entirely wrapped up in Donald's political and business life at this point. So, so, yeah, totally, that's the perfect word. That's not at all true for his older daughter. So for the first three years of his presidency, I thought he was drunk. I thought all these tweets and I thought they were, he was drunk texting and I kept telling Jennifer, his aides need to take his phone

after he starts drinking. And she's like, no, he is a known T totaler. He does not touch the shit. It's just middle illness. And I was like, you cannot be that fucked up. And put that kind of shit on Twitter as the president of the United States. I mean, it just can't happen sober.

So then about a year ago, I hear all about this Adderall thing. And I'm like, kind of don't believe it because he doesn't look like somebody who takes a lot of Adderall. But I'm like, I'm dying to validate my assumption that he's on drugs when he's doing this tweets. So does he really not drink ever?

I know, I mean, I never knew him to drink, but then again, I'm his niece. It's not like I was, you know, we were going clubbing together. I just said, thank God. So, you know, I don't have any more insight into that than anybody else. What I think is much more disturbing that he's doing these things sober. 100% trait.

That is trait. And I think one explanation for this is that he has no impulse control or sorry, his impulse control, his ability to have impulse control has eroded over the years. And we can see that if you look at a deposition that he did 20, 30 years ago versus one now, it's quite remarkable how incapable he is of keeping its mouth shut when he should. He's only gets rewarded for these behaviors. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying they're always voluntary and I'm not saying it says control over them, but he wouldn't continue to do them to the same degree if he were somehow

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lie and tear, little Marco, which I kind of enjoyed a little bit of that in the beginning as a diehard liberal. I'm like, oh good, he's kind of calling out those guys. Nobody ever thought he was going to get the nomination, but I was with some acquaintances. And they said, yeah, we're going to watch the Republican debates tonight,

and they're diehard Republicans. And I said, you don't like Trump, do you? And these would be like maybe more Reagan style Republicans, John McCain Republicans. And they said, oh, no, we don't like Trump. He's terrible. And I'm like, oh, good. I mean, you know, he's nobody can take him seriously. And this is what she said. And this is what I think happened happened where we got this many million more votes. She said to me something very telling these are people that live in Oklahoma city and she said, but I'll tell you what about Trump. He says what everybody else is thinking. So it's like Obama was elected and the people civilized white people thought we can't have racist thoughts anymore and they pushed him down and I can't be homophobic. I've got to keep all of this down.

I've got to keep it down. It's not polite. It's impolite. I have to be civilized. But it was all still in there incubating. And then Trump comes out and then you have these John McCain, Mitt Romney, polished country color Republicans that then he wins. And then it's just unleashed and then after he won

These people are like, oh, we absolutely love Trump and I'm like, I thought you all thought he was a dick But it it stood up in even civilized societies outside of redneck culture It people that we would go dying with and stuff that were full blown Trumpers because he allowed them and gave them permission to pick on gay people, to pick on transgendered people, to pick on immigrants, to pick on refugees, to pick on black people, to pick on drag queens. And they got permission to be Dix. And so I see how it all plays out. That segment of the Republican Party, I think right now with the 91 felony charges and after January 6th, they're like, oh no, we're over Trump.

We're ready for dissenters. They're somebody new to take over. But when it comes right down to it, these people will end up voting for Trump again. We know these people. We live in a red state. It's disgusting. It's, it's, it's, um, it's hard to articulate just how devastating what you just said is, um, and how pervasive it is. Yep. And what is perhaps even worse is that it doesn't matter anymore if it's Donald or somebody else. He has shown them the roadmap. So, and, you know,

whatever they were in 2016, they are now anti-democratic, proto-fascist, you know, authoritarian. You're exactly right. Donald Trump gave these people permission to be there were selves. He showed Republican politicians that you never need to apologize. You never need to change course. You never need to justify yourself. You never, you don't have to abide by tradition.

There is no shame ever. You do what you want, you in order to keep power, no matter how illegitimately. So that's the lesson they learned it deeply. Yes. I'm afraid, and that's why we are one of the reasons we're in the position, we're in the other one, to your point about the overt racism that has burgeoned since 2016, is that America has never done the work. It is not enough to elect one black man. Just as with misogyny, it wouldn't be enough to elect a woman. Right. We need to do the work. We have never, ever acknowledged the fact

that this is a country of white supremacy. This is a country born in white supremacy. This is a country born in the genocide of the nation population, native population, and in the enslavement of another population of people. This country was built on the backs of with the blood of stolen of people. This country was built on the backs of the blood of stolen black people. We have never acknowledged that. We've certainly never toned for it. Here we are, and we have people, even Democrats at the highest level government saying America is not a racist country. Well,

you know what, guys, keep telling yourselves that and nothing will ever change. That got to. That's such bullshit. And it pisses me off when people say that because I know and I have been around multiple racists and still continue to be. And if white people like the three of us don't start talking about it, then that's not going to help anybody. I'll give you an example. I had a friend and after Obama won, she referred to Air Force One as Afro One.

And everybody laughed and slapped their knees and they thought it was just hysterical. Most recently about, oh, I don't know, about six months ago, I was playing pickleball and avid pickleball player. That's neither here nor there. The listeners will browbeat me for bringing it up. You slipped in pickleball with Mary Trump. But anyway, I was at a pickleball match in this. I play tennis, I understand.

So this lady walks in that I'm going to play with and I don't know her well at all. But I know she's a die-hard. She's mentioned like Bible study and all this stuff. We were pretty desperate for a fourth at this time. I'm okay. So she'd been to Bible, and I'm just like, okay, you know, you're three, five, can you play?

Exactly, just play. Right, so at the end of it, she says, you know, I just get so uncomfortable around black men. And I kind of like double-took at her. And I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, one time I was riding a bike with my husband and we were mugged. And it was a black person that did it. And I said, by your logic, though, I should be terrified of your husband after what I saw on January 6th. Right. And I'm not holding that against all why people.

Why is it about race? And so when people say racism doesn't exist in America, it is such bullshit. Those are just two examples. And you hear it all the time, especially where we live in polite white societies, you hear people make off colored remarks all the time. And I think it's important that we talk about it and have very uncomfortable conversations about it and let people know that, hey, we're all in this together and we see what's going on. We see what that political party's doing. We see what they're trying to do in Florida with

education. We see what they're doing to women's rights in Oklahoma, and we see it, and we're going to talk about it. We were talking about before you came on, we'll have people that comment in our comment section, quit talking about politics and just keep being funny. And I thought, if that isn't the most white woman thing to possibly say, what a privilege to not talk about politics, what a privilege to not talk about politics. What a privilege to not care about marginalized groups and the environment and what's going on globally. And in our country right now with this rise of authoritarian populism, it just, I've had it, Mary.

I've absolutely had it. I am completely with you in terms of having had it. It's just so, it's appalling because it's so obvious. You know, just check your privilege, man. And what does it say about you if you feel so threatened by the truth of our racist past? Great. I personally, I do not feel guilty about, you know,

well, none of my ancestors was here early enough, but trust me, if they had been, they would have been in slavers. No doubt about it. Right. I don't, I can't own that. All I can do is acknowledge the extent to which I have and continue to benefit from that system.

By failing to do that, I perpetuate it and that I should feel guilty about. If we don't take responsibility for the ways in which white supremacy has benefited us as white people, then we contribute to the problem, and we do become responsible for that. It's not that difficult, guys. I mean, we just, you own the problem by not facing the problem. Because what we want, no, we want white people to be mature enough to have this kind of conversation without feeling threatened

or without feeling like they're being attacked. It's appalling. And it makes no sense. Okay, Mary, we're going to play a game with you called Had it or Hit it. And so if you like something, you'll hit it. And if you don't like it, you will have had it with it. Oh my God. Welcome to Had it or Hit it.

I would hit it it with it. Oh my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. I had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay. Had it or hit it, Mar-a-Lago. Oh, Jesus. Ha ha ha.

I had it with Mar-a-Lago decades before everybody else. So yeah. Had it. Have you been there? Yes, I'm ashamed to say for a while there, as my grandparents were getting older, and my grandfather was his Alzheimer's was getting worse. That became where we went for Easter every year in the like early

mid 90s. Is it as gaudy as it looks from the pictures of the documents? It's horrible. I mean, luckily it wasn't a club yet. It was just his private home. But yeah, it's pretty gross. OK, had it or hit it, comeovers. Has anybody ever been hit in those? I'm sensing a theme. So, I'm over as clear live I've had it with those as well.

Have you ever seen the hair not combed over? No. I mean, well, when I was a kid, he had semi-normal hair. Right. I just read an article some guy wrote that when he got out, he walked into the White House residence and he was out just out of the shower and had done come diver and here was this obese man with this one sided long hair and I just that is a middle picture that just causes me.

What I think is so disturbing too is that he looks so much like my grandmother now, especially when he like clenches his jaw. It's like I could see her ghost in his face and it's because she had this huge leech blonde updo as well, which is sort of, he styled himself after. It's very grieving. Okay. Had it or hit it, gender reveal parties.

Oh my God. I had it like, I never did them. I mean, I've never understood them. And, you know, don't get me wrong. One of the best days in my life was when I found out we were having a girl. I don't know why. I didn't have a preference,

but I was convinced it was gonna be a boy. It was only picking up boy names and then we got the son of Ram. And I don't, to this day, I'm not sure, I guess I had a preference after all. But one of the best days of my life before her actual birth, but it was a probably, like, who else cares, right? I always thought they were absurd and they just got more and more ridiculous, but they're killing people now. Yes.

Oh, I'm sorry. Can I say that? No, yeah. No, it's been me. I want to know of course I can say. No, we've been sounding the alarm bell about gender reveal parties and they're killing people. And it's just so ridiculous.

I feel like so much of life is lived for social media content. Right. And then if you, and then those people that produce their life on social media are the types of people that I say subscribe to this brand of toxic positivity to where if you criticize the post,

it's slightly scratched, kind of like with your uncle if you slightly scratch the surface underneath that is just this but hurt rage that exudes out. And so anyway, Mary, Trump pinch us. Yeah. On our putt. I got to ask the question that I've been walking around for years wondering. Well, this has been so much fun. See, you can talk about politics as depressing as they are and still have fun. And, you know, it doesn't have to be at other people's expenses except idiots you do gender. That's right. That's right.

Fuck them. Mary, thank you so much for joining us. This has been an absolute treat. We wish you the very best and we're going to keep fighting a good fight here in the States. Thank you so much. And I hope you guys will be on my show when we're up and running again. I know which I've been waiting. Yeah, it's happening. It's happening. Okay, good. Okay, it would be our pleasure. Thank you so much. Thanks, Mary. Thank you. Bye-bye. Warned you hot shit.

I mean, I really do. I was in here thinking this is like a hot shit that went for you interviewed the niece. I mean, Mary, Trent, who I love her podcast. The niece. Look, always look for her on YouTube if she's on other shows. She on your algorithm.

She's on my algorithm. She's your algorithm girlfriend. Not quite because she's not other shows. She on your algorithm. She's on my algorithm. Is she your algorithm girlfriend? Not quite, because she's not as around as much. So I wouldn't say we're in an exclusive relationship like algorithm mistress maybe. Maybe my algorithm mistress. Yeah, Trump is pretty. Yes, and she was just, she delivered.

You know how you meet people that you're just like crazy about and then it's a disappointment, not with Mary. Sharpe is attack. Sharpe is attack. Well-spoken. Funny. Gets it. Gets it. On disappointment, not with Mary. Sharpe is a tack. Sharpe is a tack. Well-spoken, funny. Gets it. Gets it. On the right side of history.

Absolutely. And then it's just interesting, you know, like I'm sitting there as she's talking about it. And I'm like, oh my god, like Donald Trump is her uncle. Yes, he used to send her underwear for Christmas. What? Ha ha ha ha. Yes, in her book, in her book, she wrote that,

when he was married to Ivanka, they would send her a three pack of underwear, sardines, and then the foil, they would wrap shit like canned means or something and wrap it in caviar foil. But it really wasn't caviar, it was sardines, and like potted meat or whatever. Just fucked up shit. Oh my God. And aware a three pack of undies. That's

fucking weird. Why would your uncle get you undies to begin with like from the jump? Well, but this is the guy who sexualizes his own daughter. Well, that's true. I mean, you know, like this is, this is who all the evangelicals, this is their hero. Right. This is their guy and he sexualizes his own daughter. Right. Oh, but, you know, all these groomers are over here. The drag queens.

Right. Absolutely. Which obviously it's not any who. Oh my God. Love it. You're very trump. I know. It's exciting.

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