I've Had It - No Country for MAGA Men

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

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So are we supposed to start the podcast? Ready, one, two, three. Patriots, gay, they treatets, black triots, brown triots, and the MAGA triple Trumpers can do what pumps? Fuck off! Welcome to America's top DEI podcast, hard-hitting critique of fascism and just the complete douchebaggery and fuckery coming out of this administration. Pumps, what have you had it with? Well, that is a perfect segue into my I've had it. What I have fucking had it with is the Supreme Court and the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives completely abandoned their duty

as a checks and balances to the executive branch. I've had it with Donald Trump getting away with fucking crimes one right after the other. I've had it with the callousness with which they treat people and sending masks in to cities. I have had it the way they demean migrants. I've had it from top to bottom for them getting away with all this shit. And they do it because Mike Johnson has no balls because he's a coward. And they do it because all these people are more scared of Trump than their constituents. And I fucking had it with the worthless six on the Supreme Court that have said,

you can do whatever the fuck you want because we would rather have a monarch and an authoritarian in government than we would any other rule of the people by the people for the people. I have fucking had it up to my eyeballs. Yeah. It's really gut-wrenching when you see so many people collapse. I understand a crazy person. I understand a morally corrupt person.

We've been around, you know, an individual with character flaws. Everybody has. Nobody's exempt from that. But the people surrounding him, and more importantly, the 80% over 80% evangelical Christians that voted for this man, I do think we have to look at making some lemonade out of this. And finally, we have exposed, not we, Trump has exposed. the white megachurch evangelical voter for the absolute hypocrites that they are. They, you know, stand on their Bible and claim the moral high ground and say,

we are the family values voter. We're values voters. We're pro-life. And it's all bullshit. They voted for an evil villain who's not even that cool, who's not even that great, who each day outdoes himself. And his staff outdoes themselves on how corrupt and lawless and brazen they can be. It's exhausting being an American butt.

We have to be prescriptive in a sense as well. And prescribe for our listeners and the American public at large, there is a choice here. And what we all have to do is we can browbeat these MAGA triple Trumpers forever. And we've done a great job with that on this podcast. We have been united in that. We have really let them have it. But at times I think we need to shift gears and start talking about as a community, we're all on here, we're listening, we're commenting on the YouTube section.

What we need to start doing are having conversations about making sure that everyone we know is registered because they are going to gerrymander the shit out of all of these states. The turnout for the midterms has to be so large that all of of the cheating that they attempt and all of the assists that they receive from the Supreme Court that we deliver such a repudiation. I am talking a blue tsunami to quote the convicted felon president, the likes of which the world has never seen. And we have agency, we have autonomy and we have power. None of these people are jacked shit without our money or our vote. And from now until next November, we're going to see, I think, an escalation in fuckery, an escalation, an escalation in corruption, an escalation in assists from the Supreme Court.

But we must not be deterred. We have survived almost a year now. We've done it. We're battle tested, guys. We are battle tested. We have to, with everything in us, understand that you have to get the people that you think would never vote, don't care. talk to them. Talk to your MAGA relatives about the moral depravity and the cruelty coming from this administration. Our children's lives and the trajectory of our country and many people's

just lives and ability to access cancer treatment depend on us delivering a mandate to the Democrats in this upcoming November. It is a do or die situation. Either we're going to win or the little twerps that are worshipping this frail old queen, bitter, mean, sociopathic old queen in the White House are going to win. And we have survived it this far. We're battle tested, guys. We can get through this. You're absolutely right on that. When I think about the midterms, they're going to pull every trick in the books, whether it's, you know, armed people in the city in the cities.

We are, you know, blue cities, you know, the gerrymandering, screwing with people, we're not going to, you know, certify the vote because we're Trumpers. We've got to make it where it doesn't matter because it's such a huge, overwhelming majority. And I'm with you. We've got to start going into these people. And I have started talking to people that I know are triple Trumpers. I haven't gotten very far. I have been more disappointed and hurt than I. I have succeeded, but I feel better knowing that I went and I tried. I did my best. It's hard,

but I mean, it's hard when they look at you and they're just like, so. It's really unnerving, but it's just I feel better after doing it, even with a bad result. All right. So here's my grievance and it doesn't have anything to do with Trump. It's just something that drives me crazy. I've had it with people on their cell phones in the gym. I've one same same get off your cell phones in the gym. So I'll want to go to an exercise machine and somebody's on it and they're like maybe doing three sets on a machine and in between sets you know you probably rest like what 25 30 seconds well I've got some asshole that is on the machine and then is down an

algorithm and we're talking like a five minute break and i'm sitting there waiting while they're just scrolling instagram and i just think people need to get off of their phones in the gym get off your phones have one place where you just disconnect i do not take my phone i leave it in the locker room at the gym because i just want one place that i do not have to deal with a phone a text an alert of dipshit Trump saying crazy shit, you know? No, I completely agree with that because here's the thing. Time at the gym is limited. You know, you only have a certain amount of time in your day that you can devote to it.

So if you're waiting for some Yahoo to, you know, scroll through Instagram, here's another, this is another little nuance factor on this. This happened to me yesterday at the gym. There's this girl. We're both doing free weights, right? And she has her ear. You're doing a little free rate? a little free weights before i met with my trainer thanks for that description i love that yeah and i was

doing we must we must we must we must we must we must we must but so this woman is talking on the phone like having a full blown conversation at the gym and it was so distracting and i just wanted to walk up turn wanted to say i've heard your side of the conversation there's nothing you fucking said that couldn't have waited 30 minutes until you got done it was not interesting you are not funny it is not cute. You're not doling out good advice. This is a filler. So go sit your fat ass, which your ass was small. I use that as just a general topic for people that bug me. Go sit in your car and do it. But don't pretend you're at the gym distracting other people. You're not that important. You're not so valuable in this conversation. It couldn't wait half an hour. I feel the same way

about people that get on the telephone before after the planes landed. They get service. You're texting to you know the off ramp what do they call it the gate whatever jet bridge you're going to the jet bridge and people have to talk on the phone i'm like bitch you're not so important that you have to talk immediately when the plane lands nobody missed you that bad like everything can wait 10 minutes the entitlement and you're the big of awareness i've done it with emily and i said i can't talk anymore and hang out every time i'm on a plane with with you right when we land uh you're on the phone with your kids immediately. No, Emily calls it. I'll call you back. I don't like sit and talk about, oh my God, did you go to the store today? What'd you get? Do you like yogurt?

I mean, these people have nothing to say. I like that you, a little nuance in your, your grievances here, that you fat, shame skinny people. Yes, absolutely. It's just a general descriptor. I think it just rolls off the time. Like, get your fat, fat, ass. over here it doesn't matter if you're size zero it's just it's a like it's my favorite things to say about people uh welcome to i've had it i'm jennifer i'm angie me ma meat curtains blast from the past right there do you want to introduce our fat ass producer yes and here's our six foot tall weighs 120 pound fat ass producer highly okay i've got um two reviews for you this one is a five star titled maga star

and tired and wired fed, right, in the least shocking news of the day, as a 40-year-old born and bred Democrat millennial woman, I love your podcast. What actually may come as a shock is my F-150 driving six-foot, 235-pound firefighter husband, also listening and loving every minute of it, which is saying a lot. He's got the whole MAGA starter pack, mustache, truck, tight jorts, protein goals, and a job that requires him to be a hero. But it's a lot. But he's a lot. But he's a in reality, he's more of a secret agent for the resistance. His mission, you might ask, when he's not downing black coffee or fighting fires and saving lives, he's spending all day trolling his clueless coworkers with the barrage of anti-maga Instagram posts, then sneakily changing

the channel from Fox News when no one is looking. He's basically a walking, talking, firefighting feminist who's had it with his union brothers and sisters so clearly voting against their own interest in the name of racism and misogyny. Keep it up. bringing joy to this family. I love that. I love that. And I love the MAGA starter pack because there was this car. I do this all the time.

Like it was a big oversized truck. It's revving its engine. Just look like a fucking dip shit. And I immediately was like, of course he's MAGA, naturally. And who knows if he was? Because you can never judge a book by its cover. I love that. Yeah, that's great.

I'll go ahead, Kylie. I was going to say sometimes you can judge a book by its cover, though. Sometimes you can. 99. I'm spotting the MAGA person out in public. Yeah, yeah. At least I think I am. Okay, the other one is five stars titled Two Incredible Female Voices, and Shananagan's writes,

thank you for standing up to these MAGA ass hats and conservative Christian crybabies who need to be voted out immediately. These two women are the only voices out there speaking the truth about the corruption on the right. They refuse to tiptoe around Republican talking points and instead tell the truth about how MAGA operates on fear and deliberate misinformation. I love your wit, your levity, your jabs. Only stupid people would hate this podcast. Bravo, A plus plus plus plus. Please run for office. You'll have my vote. That's so nice. That's the, this is the problem of the post-Trump presidency is now everybody's

like run for office and we're so unqualified to be in public office, but that's the Trump effect where because the biggest moron dip shit on the planet and then you have like the Marjorie Taylor Greens and a bunch of other, you know, dips shits that are now in public office. Then it's like everybody should be in public office. We really need to have like, really like policy wonk, really smart people in public office because look at the devastating effect of having disqualified morons in positions of power. In just 11 months, the horrific, or yeah, 11 months, horrific dismantling of all of these institutions. And I just the brand damage of the United States, it's the next election doesn't fix this. No. Blue tsunami

doesn't fix this. It's a very long term because there's something deeper, broken with America. And it's the culture. It's the culture that embraced this man after they witnessed what happened on January 6 and allowed themselves to vote for it anyway and the collapse that they personally have experience. And then furthermore, the people surrounding these MAGA people that don't call out their racism, that don't call out their homophobia, that silence is so insidious in the face of bigotry. And America has been such a racist country. And we've overcome so much of it. But the most insidious form of racism to me is the silent complicity, the people who allow it, who enable it, who don't call it out. It's really become problematic. And now all of these

racists are so emboldened. And it's devastating. Yeah, they're like, we love Trump because now we can say the most hateful cruelest thing in the world and we have these people that'll be like oh yeah you got that right i mean it's fucking bananas when you get on like a twitter something and somebody posts something super racist the the double down of other people that i would think you'd at least try to hide it it's pretty unbelievable yeah okay i've got a couple new stories for you this one scared the shit out of me and i think we're going to see a lot more of this this next year, 2020, 26, as Pump says. And it says, you can now reserve a table for yourself and your imaginary girlfriend.

Eva AI is opening a pop-up this December where tables are built for one human, one phone, and a so-called romantic night with your chat bot. And so if you're listening, this is a photo and you see like an iPad sitting across from you at a table that you've reserved with an AI girlfriend across from it. And it says, Eva AI, one of the biggest AI relationship. apps is launching Eva Cafe in New York City as a real world extension of its AI girlfriend and boyfriend platform. Guest book a table for one, sit in front of the built-in phone stand at eye level and talk to their AI in a dim, minimalist space that looks more like a boutique

wine bar than a text on it. It's meant to turn late night chats with an AI companion into a real date. Wow, that kind of scares me. This whole AI thing scares me. Yeah, so, you know, know, it's entering at the time where we're already lonely from our smartphones in social media and our devices and we've already disconnected from one another. So there's this longing for connectivity, particularly with young people, older people. And so they're finding relationships with something that doesn't exist because our species, we need to feel connected. We need to fill togetherness. And so it's really the trajectory of social media now to AI. And then like what's next? What's the next phase of this? It's really, really alarming, which is why I think we should

put our cell phones down at a bare minimum when we're at the gym. Bare minimum. And the last new story I've got is about real human relationship. Gen Z daters say the swag gap is becoming a real relationship deal breaker. And I'm going to sum it up. It's if two people in a couple have very different levels of style, like if one person is very stylish and the other person has bad style, this is becoming a huge reason for Gen Z people to break up. Mismatched style? Mismatched style. So a swag gap instead of an age gap. Okay. I mean, I have to say that like I'm very into. clothes. I'm very superficial and shallow about aesthetic things. And I can see this. Like,

if I was with a person and I felt like they were a really bad dresser and they didn't try to improve against suggestions. I mean, there's a lot of people in the world. Do you really have to be with like the worst dresser if that's important to you? Or just for some people that are deeper, better human beings than I am, of course, they'd be like, oh, it doesn't matter. I love this person so much. Unconditionally, I don't care how they dress. but that's a much better person than what you're listening to right now, listener. For me, I can see like, okay, there's billions of people in the world. Why do I have to be with this guy that can't dress well?

I mean, that's kind of the way I would look at it. Yeah, my guess would be like if you've tried to say, hey, you know, if you're in a really strong relationship, you're like, hey, let me help you dress and stuff. And that's either rebuffed or you don't feel comfortable enough saying it that the swag thing is a big enough deal. I'm with you. Go find another fish. And I don't think this is new. I don't think this is a new thing. I think that men have always been particularly there's the way a woman dresses that is the type of woman they would sleep with. And then there's the way a woman would dress would be the type of woman that they would take home to their parents. Very sexist

thinking, but that's always kind of existed. There's been some sort of swag factor. And I think women, you know, have always, at least the women I know, have always tried to improve their straight boyfriends fashion sense and get them to dress better. I don't think this is unique to Jen Z. I think, I don't think this is new. No, I agree. I think it's been going on for a long time. A Christmas miracle has taken place. So we decided to go do a live show in Atlanta on January 31st and we were for sure like the ticket sales are going to be lackluster nobody's going to become i'll be damned if it didn't sell out in like a couple of days so the organizer was like you should do another day and i'm like it's a pretty big pretty big ass pretty big a half for two old broads like us right so

we added an additional day ticket sales we're getting about close to halfway February 1st center stage in Atlanta and it is also a matinee because we are going to normalize matinees We are going to normalize a reasonable start time. We're not going to start a show at 8 or 9 p.m. No. And you're going to-past bedtime. Wake up the next day feeling hungover, strung out. Why did I hang out with all of these radical leftists, anti-fascists?

We're not going to do that because we're pro-matine. We're pro-democracy. We're anti-Maga and we're anti-fascists. Come see us. It's going to be so fun. I love getting together at a live show with all of the people. It's such a community. The way everybody banks is starting to change you guys, and I want to introduce you to Chime,

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Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash had it to get free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash had it. quince.com slash had it all right i want to wish everyone a happy new year for the second part of this episode pumps is going to interview wajahat ali who is a friend of the podcast we like to amplify voices out in the world that are fighting the good fight he is a tired overweight middle-aged father of three who drives a honda odyssey minivan and shops at costco he's a recovering attorney and playwright and he even once co-hosted Al Jazeera's, America's The Stream.

He is also a former New York Times and CNN contributor and author. Currently, he edits the left hook substack. Wajahat Ali Pumps, I'll let you take it from here. Happy New Year, everyone, and keep having it. Hey, hey, how's it going? It's great. I am honored to be here on, I have my Pakistani-American father who came here in in 1966 is so finally thrilled that I am on this show because he's a big fan.

So, you know, being an attorney, being on TV, being on CNN, eh, but now that I'm on I have made it. And so thank you for redeeming my, my honor, the fact that I didn't become a doctor. Now, now I've made it finally. The disappointment over your failures in life have all been overcome. You're now the son he always wanted. And I'm the only child, too, which makes it even worse. Like, they have no options.

They have no options, Angie. Like, I'm the only one and now like, all right. But no, they're huge fans. So on their behalf, I wanted to say that you have two senior Pakistani Muslim immigrant American parents who love you and Jen. I love hearing that. You know, it's so funny. And you probably get this with all of your work that you find people that support you

that you would never think would be in your even realm. You know, we were so shocked when we went to our first live show and there were like 17, 18, 19 year olds. And then we also had like, women, even older than us. And it's like, I guess when you have convictions and you're willing to talk about it, people gravitate towards that. Because at the end of the day, I think we're probably more alike than we are different. I mean, obviously, there's some of us that we're never going to be alike. But there's more commonality than we actually think particularly now. Yeah, and I'm always, people always say, oh, you speak out against white supremacy.

White people must hate you. And I'm like, there's this demographic, which I do not understand. I told my wife, white women above the age of 50, God bless them. They're the one female demographic that says, wajad, he's handsome. And I tell my wife, I said, Sarah, these women, they're wise, they know. So, you know, you always like are surprised at, you know, the one demographic that like, you're like, oh, do you really like me? And they're like, yeah. And so like, you know, white women in particular, you know, especially I've seen in the last couple of months, seniors, those who are elders, those are middle-aged, they really like glom on to what I'm saying, even though I'm the son of, you know, Pakistan immigrants. I'm a man, 45 years old, drive my Honda Odyssey minivan. And so many of them say, you know, I fought, I protested, I marched. And what you're saying, I just want you to know. And the reason why I know this, Angie, is they say, I am a white woman. And I want to let you know that I'm with you. So I always sit there and go, like, wow, who would have

thought, right? Like the demographics that you hit. And I think you're right. Like, if you speak authentically, we try to be authentic, honest, real, sincere, you fight for the right fight, the good fight, the decent fight, and you speak out against the hate mongers. You will attract not just an audience domestically that you never thought you'd hit that demographic. But I'm sure you and Jen realize you got people from all around the world. Yeah. Yeah. And they cannot believe, I mean, honestly, when you hear from listeners from Europe and Australia and Canada, it is, they are like, how did this happen to y'all again? Like, why are you so broken that Trump came back? You know, when you have somebody attacking Canadians who are the absolute most non-controversial, they're kind, they like everybody. don't say anything bad about people.

And they're just like, what's going on down there? It's when you can alienate a whole country like Canada, who's been your longest serving ally, you are really screwed. Like you are screwed as the leader of the free world. You have fucked up when you've pissed off Canada in Greenland of all places. Yeah, Trump is, I think, just gifted in this way.

He's very talented in this remarkable ability, destroy things that you didn't think could be destroyed. You know, long-standing alliances with Canada, I'm going to mess that up. I'm going to declare, you know, call them the 51st state. Denmark, Denmark's like, why am I catching strays? Right. You're like, no, I'm going to take Greenland, you know,

going, just taking it, each time he's given an economy that Democrats have tried to rehabilitate after he's after that. He goes, give me one year, I left it up, just give me one year. And this is a man who, it tracks this destructive type of gluttonous appetite of this man, this black hole that's in his soul, right? He was gifted, Angie, over $400 million from his corrupt father, squandered it. You know how, like, it requires talent, Angie, to squander $400 million. Trump found a way, you know, fails up in life, given multiple lifelines, nope, bankrupt casinos, plural, right? Which is amazing. It's just unbelievable,

the talent you have to possess to bankrupt a casino. It's... The house always wins, unless it's Trump. Unless it's Trump. And then the house doesn't win. It's great. And then what drives me crazy is when I hear people say, well, you know, he was a great businessman. I'm like, on fucking TV. They couldn't even use his office.

It was such a fucking dump. That's right. It was such a dump. They had to film elsewhere. It was all bravado and bullshit. And now I believe that because I look at the Oval Office that it's turned into this just knick, chock, chotchky, like, undignified. And I'm like, the thing about Trump is he thinks he has good taste, and he doesn't.

He has terrible taste. It's like when the world's tackiest and trashiest people get money, and you're like, oh, that's not just new money. That's trashy new money. And they're like, you know, we're going to have mayo sandwiches. And they're going to have neon disco lights. You're like, yeah, or maybe you could have, I don't know, a lawn with. like tulips. They're like, no, tulips are gay. We're going to have like disco balls. We're going to have UFC fights on the lawn. This is, this is wealth. And like he's that guy. He's like a vulgarian,

an uncouth vulgarian. Like I was thinking about this. God gives the wrong people money all the time, right? Like why why can like good decent people with good taste get the money? Can you imagine like the White House there'd be instead of like this $300 million ballroom slash bunker? I don't know. Maybe a wing for visitors and diplomats and children and a garden, something beautiful, right? Maybe you bring in some, like, elegant designers and architects. No, not Donald Trump. He wants to make everything shiny and big, like Mara Lago, right? It's all, it's interesting that you said this.

It's all performative. It's all sheen and exterior because the inside is hollow. And in the case of Donald Trump, even the outside, it's so gaudy. It's like cheap Vegas. It's like, it's like Timu, Reno. Yes. No disrespect to Reno or Chimu. And here's the deal.

He bankrupted casinos. I believe that he is looting. I mean, this is just my opinion, but based on his history, my guess is that when he, if we ever see the end of the Donald Trump presidency, this administration will have squandered, embezzled, and left the treasury at this. lowest point. And I do not believe for a minute that all these tariffs are going into, you know, funds for the U.S. citizen. I think they're going to his pocket, his friend's pockets. I mean, that's my opinion. But it is based on his history and how he has done business, his entire life.

I don't think it's even your opinion, Angie. If you just look, right, it's December. Donald Trump in less than a year, him and his Tweedledee and Tweedledum children have made over for $5 billion in the past year through crypto. He's passed the pro-crypto legislation that helps him and his family. And he pardoned his business partner, his crypto business partner, CZ, who literally was serving time for admitting

to committing money laundering. And then he was asked, well, who sees he, I don't know who CZ as what, huh? I don't know, so either he has dementia or he's lying. And I think you're absolutely right. Once it's all said and done, if there's accountability, I think the criminality is,

going to be, you have to follow the money for the criminality, right? Jared Kushner, $2 billion from Saudi. Stephen Whitkoff and his father, $1.5 billion, right? All these people who've made money. Remember when he was bragging while the stocks went down? He's like, well, he bought the dip. Charles Schwab made money. That person made money. All the people who are giving him money for his ballroom, right? Like, all these obscene ethical violations. And you and me are old enough to remember that Jimmy Carter had to sell his peanut farm. Yes. And here's the thing. What makes me so crazy about that is I expect now the Republicans, my hat it to start this episode was I've just had it with how the other two branches of government have just capitulated

and they have not been a checks and balances. But I see this as so of course the Republicans, I mean, Mike Johnson has no balls at all. He can't even. disagree with him. But it's the Democrats. Like where is their strong opposition? Where are they beating the drum all day, every day about the corruption? And I know they flood the zone. There's a million things they could be talking about. I get that. But if we if we don't have leadership that is willing to stand up on every issue every day, all day long, then why are you in leadership? I need you to I need you to sit down and shut up and let somebody that will fight get up to the front. Angie, I am writing a strongly worded letter.

I am writing a strongly worded letter, Angie. It makes me crazy. I'm so glad. See, this is why I love you in Jen, because you all call out a spade, a spade, and you also call it Democrats, which I think is very important. I'm sure you get some pushback like I do from, you know, lifelong liberals and Democrats. Oh, it's one big team, vote blue no matter who. How come, you know, you just have to criticize Trump.

My entire life, my entire life, the Democratic Party has said, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow your role. Not now. Take it easy. Let's punt it, right? Now's not the time. And I believe now is the time, Angie. This is a generational moment because you talked to, you said young people, right? We always shocked by our demographic who comes and talks to us, right?

But young people are, they've had it. They're done. They demand reform. And what we're looking at with the establishment Democrats, not all Democrats, folks. I give credit where credits do. I'm talking about the leadership is they want restoration, where they want to go back to the good old days, right? They want to, oh, they're too big to fail. Let's still suck up to the brologarchy.

Oh, you know, as Gavin Newsom said, oh, it's a big club. It's a big 10. We can't tax the billionaires. Oh, let's take a photo like Chuck Schumer did with war criminal Netanyahu in the summer. Oh, let's throw everything and the kitchen sink and a Bill Clinton at Zorn Mamdani. Oh, it's still December. Trump has embraced Mamdani before we have because Mamdani stood on business, went against the billionaires, talked about affordability, didn't throw the woke or the immigrants under the bus, and said, you know what, I'm opposed to a genocide, but I love the Jewish people.

See, I think, and I shared this with you and Jen, when you were on my humble show, I believe there are three litmus tests for the Democratic Party moving forward. forward. If you really want to be the leader of the Democrats, number one, do you still suck at the teat of the billionaires and broligarchy? Most of them still do. If you do, you're not the person. Number two, do you still make excuses for genocide or support Israel? If you do, folks, forget the base. Young people around the world ain't there with you. They ain't there. And the third one is, are you willing to sacrifice one of us to get ahead? I'm old enough to remember, Angie. A year ago, Gavin Newsom turned on a dime on his podcast.

Who did he invite on his podcast? The first guest? Charlie Kirk. Second guest? Steve Bannon. Oh, Steve Bannett. Yes. Charlie Kurt.

He threw the transgender community under the bus, and Democrats voted for the Lake and Riley Act through the undocumented immigrants on their bus, and all of them stayed quiet when it came to pro-Palestine activists literally being kidnapped. So that's my take. I think if you're sucking at the teed of the brologarchy, you still take photos with Nanyahu and you're willing to throw one of us under the bus, which I believe Schumer,

Jeffries, and the establishment folks have. To me, we got to call, we have to call them, right? All we have is the Democrats. So we need them to fight the Republicans, but I believe we deserve a better Democratic Party. And there's a small window, Angie, where right now we can push, push, push, and create the fighter that we deserve for this moment. That's my, take. Curious what you think. Okay. So Jennifer and I've had this conversation too. And we, we like you think, you have to have these honest conversation with our leaders. They're the leaders we have. So we can't hold them to an impossible litmus test. But I think yours is right on the money. You have to, we have to know that the same people that are electing Donald Trump are not

electing our representatives because there is no opposition to these people. And we have to say as a party, because from what I'm seeing, the leadership is not listening. They're not listening to the party on how we feel about the genocide in Palestine. They're not listening about APEC. They're not listening about corporate donations and billionaires. So we have to make them listen. And if we can't make them listen, we need robust primaries, which I keep going back to David Hogg. They put him in there in the Democratic Party, gave him a position in the Democratic National Committee. And they were like, yes, he's, you know, we need new blood, new things. They fired him like within two weeks because he said, we need robust primaries.

If you're a corporate Democrat, you're sucked up to APEC. I mean, I don't know if those were his reasons. Those would have been mine. they they fired it they didn't want it and that's you know what that tells me i look at this and i know this is just one example but in the house oversight committee we had jerry o'connell who has since passed which he had cancer and he ran and took a leadership position all while knowing he had cancer but that's a topic for another day fucking nothing was happening nothing was getting done you put robert garcia in there this thing has been run like a well oiled machine

because he's young. He's not so beholden to other people that he is making a difference. And that's the kind of candidates we need. And when I go back to the Zoron thing, I look at him and think, that's your blueprint, Democrats. There it is. You don't even have to hire a consultant. You've got it. You've watched a year of it. Do I think they're going to do that? No. No. You know, Zoron is the one that is most recent, I think is most salient because remember they spent millions of dollars and they went to the five-star hotels and we're trying to figure out, where is the liberal Joe Rogan? They were finding him, trying to find her.

Yes, we got asked about it all the time. Like, where's Waldo? Where are they? Zoran comes out of nowhere, assembly men, right, ascends on this consistent message. I interviewed him, Angie, about like 10 months ago, when he was a distant number two. And I said, I think you have a shot.

He stayed on message. He's like, win or lose, this is what I believe in. This is what I fight for. I'm gonna be consistent, affordability. I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus. I'm against the genocide. I am Muslim. I am brown skin.

I am an immigrant, right? I eat with my hands. I am a New Yorker. Says all those things wins. Historic race. Everyone gets a multicultural coalition to come on. Almost wins by 10 points. The Democratic establishment folks is just, I mean, I think this underscores what me and Andrew are saying for people who are skeptical.

They brought out Clyburn, Clinton, Summers, billionaires, Bloomberg, right? against Mamdani and wait for it, it gets even worse. For Cuomo, a disgraced politician they had kicked out of the party, but they said, whoa, whoa, whoa, we would rather bring in Cuomo than actually go against the billionaires and BB. Is that not crazy? That is crazy. And, you know, here's the thing. All those billionaires banded together, we're going to go after him.

They spent gazillions of dollars to go against him. And they're like, we're moving out. We're moving our companies. you know what those billionaires have done since he do you think they've sold their companies sold their property they've done fucking nothing they're toothless they want to be in new york city they don't want to come to oklahoma city oklahoma they want to be where the action is and so all of these people and gavin newsom he's going to have a really hard time with his message because i think he's a great messenger still mad at him about the charlie kirk

thing where he three trans people under the bus but he's a you know we have to let him evolve and a town and make amends. You know, I don't think he, you know, I'm from California. I was born and raised in the Bay. I followed him as my entire career. I left because I married up and my wife is better looking smarter and a doctor. So when you're a poor writer and you're better looking smarter, more accomplished wife gets a job in DC, you moved to Virginia, D.C.

So I moved at 32, but I've been following his career. He was also the commencement speaker at my law school graduation at UC Davis, right? So always been, always been slick, always been a good talker, right? He's had the gift of the gab, but there's two of the planks that, and three of the planks, he's already filled. You saw how the wind, he was seeing where the wind was blowing. He goes, ah, this is the age of rogan and anti-wokenness. On my podcast, let me bring on the two worst people and agree with them. So he flipped like that.

So that's something for you all to notice, right? Huh? He flips real quick. Okay, number two, given the opportunity. In December, in December, Angie, he was being interviewed by Aaron Sorkin, not the West Wing writer, but the, you know, the economics reporter for New York Times, openly asked him at the deal book summit, taxing the rich. Well, it's a big tent. You see all the numbers. You've seen all the polls. You see how this is such a winning message, affordability, fight the oligarchy, still isn't there. And then when you saw the short circuit of his brain, the three smooth talkers, one of them short circuit on your show, Corey Booker. Peter, Pete Buttigieg, and Gavin, when asked about Israel, remember that? He goes, yeah. He got so angry.

That's angry, Gavin, for those who don't know, Van Lathan asked him. And I talked to Van Lathan afterwards. Van Lathan was really sincere. He goes, you know, what about supporting APEC? And Gavin said, that's interesting. I find it interesting that you're asking this. It's very interesting. And I talked to Van later, and he's like, oh, why is this interesting?

Like, he was sincere. What Van didn't realize later was he was implying that by asking this question, Gavin was trying to undercut him and say, you're anti-Semitic, right? That's what was that. So you saw the short circuit of the three smoothest talkers of the Democratic Party on this issue, which is why I believe he won't change, Angie. But if he does, and he's our fighter, I'll take it.

But do you trust him, Angie? Do you? OK, so first of all, I'm Pollyanna. And I really want to believe that he would listen to the bass. I know that he would not, I believe, here, I don't know this, but I believe he did test the air after the election with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon, but he has been a strong advocate for all human rights, including trans rights, his entire marorial career and on. So I hope that he will stick with that. I'm hoping that when he, you're looking

at me like, lady, you are too. No, no, I'm listening. I'm, I'm sincerely listening. I can't help believe that these very skilled, very seasoned politicians will not look at the overall Democratic wins, the big wins that we've had. And I know the two governors were, you know, more conservative, but that they will see that as far as MAGA took the Republicans, that they have to move left for their base. I mean, I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful. And here's the I'm not married to Gavin Newsom, although I think he is hot, magnetic, great speaker. I mean, he's a fabulous politician, but there are other people out there that, I mean, I'm not married to him as the 2028 candidate, but those are the issues that any candidate's going

to have to confront. You've got to stop letting the richest people and the richest corporations continue to not contribute anything to the infrastructure, paying livable wages to people and then brow beating him about being poor. Like you have got to bring in the billioners, just like Zoran did. I think he did like a math problem. And I can't remember what the numbers were, but it's like, okay, so this person makes a million dollars a year. So his taxes are going to increase.

And the number, it was like compared to the fact he's bringing home a hundred thousand, this little bitty bit's not going to make a difference. And I thought that was kind of powerful. So this is me being a bit. I'll be the cynic then. I'll be the Pollyanna, I'll be the sitting. I want to say, inshallah, I hope you are right. Why, I think, unfortunately, you might be off on this, is the following reason.

I am old enough to remember the 2008 economic crisis. All of the people who created the crisis, and it was terrible, folks. I lived through it. I was a young man. You all remember. They were too big to fail. We bail them out. Then I remember, right, the Democratic establishment, not all Democrats,

have had 10 years going back to your point to hold. Donald Trump accountable. Joe Biden brings in one of his great mistakes in his presidency, Merrick Garland, who cares more about the institutions, let's be honest, than holding Trump accountable. And I always said Trump will never see a single day in jail for all his crimes, right? Slow walked it, right? Then you saw the alleged centrists come in and completely neuter and destroy what was once Biden's economic agenda. Then going back to Connolly, I'm so glad you brought there up because I always bring up that example as to why I'm cynical. You got this moment. But House Oversight Committee, another aspect of that story, for those who don't know.

You know who also threw their hat in the ring to be the head of the Oversight Committee for Democrats? AOC. Nancy Pelosi, folks, Nancy Pelosi from her hospital bed rallied the votes against AOC for Jerry Connolly, rest in peace, who literally says, I have cancer. I'm about to turn 74. And then Debbie Dingle in her 70s says, I want to be the head of communication. you know who also throw her hand in the ring jasmine crockett who whatever you think of her i think she's a great is great communicator right then you saw literally you saw the blueprint and just what a month and a half ago they're like we're gonna back quomo uh and now and now it's december and as

of this recording they still haven't embraced mom nani and then the answer is well why why why the question is why why my take on this is it's a great george carlin quote it's a big club and you ain't in it. I think that at the end of the day, it's a big club. That club is the anchor of that club is money, wealth, access, and privilege. And my fear, my fear, Angie, is if it means reforming or burning down the house, they will choose to burn it down. And I look at what they're doing to Mumdani. I look at the fact that Gavin was given a layup last week. Just say I'll tax them. Didn't say it. Because, you know, with Gavin and the Democrats, especially in California, from Silicon Valley where I'm from, they are like this with Elon Musk and Peter

Teal and the brolagarchy. And you had the Democrats right now go all in with AI, like literally last week. Like I'm terrified of AI and the Democrats are like, now, now Jeffries is like, AI is the future. And so to me, it's a big club and we ain't in it. And the Democratic establishment, yes, they're different from, you know, MAGA when it comes to all the horrible racist stuff, but when it comes to the money, when it comes to the power. I think it's ideological. I think it's personal. And I think they're not built for this moment, and they're not made for this.

That's why you need an outsider like Zoran who comes in or Tala Rico or these other folks who are willing to say, you know what, I see where the wind is blowing. I'm with the people who are against the establishment. And these institutions are seen as architects and architectures of our, you know, oppression. We're going to change it up. And Schumer and Jeffries, they still haven't embraced Mbondani, Angie. So that's my retort to you. It's unbelievable.

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sometimes twice a day. All right. Had it or hit it Marjorie Taylor Green's transformation. I have had it. Absolute BS. I can't believe this trashy person has been rehabilitated by corporate media still folks jewish spaceladers space lasers you know harassing david hog going after ilhan omer with the maga hat voted with donald trump like essentially all the time voted for the big beautiful bill now all of a sudden and she's civil yeah because he turned on you because his base turned on you and she still hasn't condemned nick fentes she is trash she's america first folks she is a snake please be careful don't fall for this sorry for that rant no and i agree with you and what's so going back to the democratic party she is making clips and she's doing a press tour saying the stuff

that democratic leadership shit like when she's the expert on the message we got real problems real real problems okay next one had it or hit it lactate pills Hit it. Lactate pills are like, hey, you know what? I didn't even plan this. This top 10 creation. If you are a South Asian male, and perhaps I think this is where you're going to find other demographics chiming in, after the age of 40, I was warned by my father, you're going to need lactate pills. I said, what are you talking about? Not me. I have a gut of steel. And then the universe says, no, you're South Asian. This is what will save you. So this, I think this is one of the top 10 greatest creation on the earth. I have like thousands of these. Like I'm like a diabetic when it comes to lactate pills. They're in my car.

They're in my backpack. They're in my pockets. My wife's like, can you just like, I don't have a better system? I'm like, no. It's either me having all these everywhere or a bloated farting husband, choose. Here's the deal. I'm the exact same way with you are with your lactate with my chapstick. I have a chapstick everywhere, like by the kitchen sink.

my bed next to my sink in the bathroom, in my car, in my purse, on my desk here. I mean, like, I am always within reach of a chapstick, so I completely get that. Okay, so had it or hit it. I'm interested to hear what you have to say on this. Tucker Carlson. I've had it. Tucker Carlson, much like Marjorie Taylor Green, is a creature reinventing himself. He is America First. He is a racist. He has promoted all the horrific anti-Semitic conspiracies. And going back to a really good point that you made about Marjorie Taylor Green. And a warning for Democrats, Angie, I've been saying it.

They listen to you. They won't listen to me. Folks, do not underestimate Marjor Taylor Green, Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, Candace O's. I've been saying it for months. They're moving further to the left on Democrats on two issues. Israel and the elite, the establishment. And what they're playing for is as MAGA crumbles,

they're going to reassemble MAGA as America first and bring in the independence, young people and dissidents around. Israel and you think I'm being crazy. No, I can't tell you, Angie, how many WhatsApps I'm in every day. I want to bang my head against the wall. We're smart, informed people because people take their, you know,

lower information orders. Not stupid, but they get clips. Look at Tucker. Look what he said on Israel. I think he's changing. Marjorie Taylor Green, who would have thought? And we live in the United States of Amnesia and just like that, they get rehabilitated. Yeah, no. It's worrisome. It is worrisome.

Like, Nick Fuentes has, we play am on here so that we're telling people like he says this and it sounds really rational and then the next thing he says is kill everybody but what you know it doesn't say kill but like get rid of everybody remigrate remigrate do you know that it is on the department of homeland security remigrate the word they've been using it over and over three times it's unbelievable and people are so ignorant they don't know what that means it's a nazi term it's a nazi term That means ethnic cleansing. That means removing all people of color and the enemies of the state from Europe and America.

Three times. They've tweeted it. And of course, you know, it's such a crazy news cycle. We can't even talk about that. Okay. Two more. The Ark de Trump. Had it.

You know, just trash. Like, what can we say? Vegas trash. Timu Reno trash. Like, can't this guy. Can't this guy just retire and play golf and sleep with his mini stroke mouth? And I'm not making fun of people with stroke, but it's clearly, have you seen when he sleeps? Oh, yeah.

His mouth droops like you're dying. You have cancels. We know, we see it. We see it. We see it. What is a gen call McTacototis? All the makeup in the world can't hide it. You're bloated.

You're a carcass. You're a decaying carcass. Just stop, stop being a festering wound and just died with grace, you know, die honorably, but he can't even do that. He can't do that because he couldn't live honorably. He, that man has no fucking honor whatsoever. Okay. How did her hit at CBS News?

I've had it with CBS News. The Ellison's by the way, Larry Ellison, the largest private donor to Israel, a huge Trump supporter, huge Neniaz, support his Nepo baby David Ellison, gobbles up Paramount CBS. Now they want to gobble up Warner Bros. others, CNN openly saying, oh, yeah, Trump, you think CNN needs to be reformed, we'll reform it. Then overpays Barry Weiss, $150 million,

talking about mediocrity, rising to the top, and she efts up and destroys CBS in less than a month. You and I are old enough, and we're gonna be the last generation, Angie, that remembers that CBS actually had quality journalists, the home of Cronkite, Murrow, and just like that, destroy it's ruined. It's like, it's turning into Fox News 2.8.

Okay, last one. Had it or hit it, the United States of America? Ooh. Had it and hit it. I have to love a country that doesn't love me back. Oftentimes, not always women, people of color. And those who weren't seen as white, because the Irish and Italians weren't seen as white,

have to fight for a country that doesn't fight for us. But I was born and raised here. My children are here. They're brown-skinned, beautiful, have multisolabic names. And with the time that we have left with our life, You can either be apathetic and cynical, which I think is cheap or lazy, or you can be in the ring and hope, in my opinion, is an action. It's a verb. So even though we might get a bloody nose, we have to do our best to stretch this country and expand it and make it live up to its proposed vision that it sells to the rest of the world.

So that's where I've had it, but that's where I also hit it. Yeah, we've got to fight for it. It's not great. It's not perfect. But we've got to get it back. We've got to get it back. Thank you so much for coming. I have to tell you this.

I've been holding on to it this whole time. You're way too cute to drive a minivan. I had a girlfriend. She was super cute. You're just too cute to drive a minivan. What should I drive instead? I got like a little SUV. I know you've got three kids.

You can two them around. But I mean, I immediately hate anyone behind a minivan because I know they're screaming at their kids, which I did in a suburban. and my ex-husband always wanted me to get a minivan. I was like, I'm way too fucking cute to drive a minivan. And so I'm going to give you the same thing. You're too cute for a minivan. Like I said before, we'll end it on the positive note,

where we make allies, where we least expect it. Women above the age of, white women above the age of 50, my demographic with fantastic taste. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Can you please tell this to my wife? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Yeah. But, you know, I want a new car. I bought my wife. When I sold the book, we had a little bit of money. I bought my wife, the nice car, and I was the one who chose to drive the minivan. You know what that is? You know what they call that? An alpha male.

That's what they call it. All right. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming on. We're going to have to keep these discussions going. We've got the Pollyanna and me, Cynic. Pragmatist? Pragmatist.

Oh, my final question is, are you friends with Kylie, because I think she's like the coolest person, like her style or her hair. My Kylie? Yeah. Isn't Kylie like the coolest person ever? Yeah. She is the coolest person ever. Right.

She's the nicest. She's the most competent. She's nothing good things can be said about. I just see your style, Kylie. And I said this like to my wife, I'm like, she was like, what are you talking about? She's like, there's a producer and she like exudes style. And I wish I was as stylish as her because I go to the mall, I start sweating profusely. You put me in front of like a thousand people.

give a speech. But you say watch, shop, and be stylish. I'll just cry. I'll suck my thumb and I cry. And that's why I want Kylie to be my friend, because she just seems like understated, too cool for school, but nice and like with a cool style. So this is just me asking, this is me being the dorky kid at school saying, can I sit with you at lunch? A hundred percent. And I'll just say it for Angie and Jen. You can come back a few times. Yes, we want to have you back more. And we've got a lot of work to do between now and the midterms. Lots of work. Thanks all. Thank you. And we. We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

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