I've Had It - No Sign of Intelligent Life with Neil deGrasse Tyson

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

Jennifer and Pumps are joined today by the acclaimed astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson. Jennifer spends the interview attempting to get Neil to finally admit he’s had it with something - which being the champion that she is, it’s no surprise she finally succeeds. The three also discuss religion, double-dippers and the absurdity that is blaming Mercury in Retrograde for your own issues.  Come see I've Had It live on the Hot Sh*t Tour! More info & tickets available at https://linktr.ee/ivehaditpodcast and subscribe to I've Had It wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you to our sponsors: Factor: Head to factormeals.com/hadit50 and use code hadit50 to get 50% off.  JustThrive: You can get 20% off your first 90-day bottle of Just Calm and Just Thrive Probiotic today. Visit JustThriveHealth.com and use promo code: HADIT Bombas: Ready to get comfy and give back? Head over to Bombas.com/hadit and use code hadit for twenty percent off your first purchase. Shopify: Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at Shopify.com/hadit now to grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. Subscribe to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/IveHadItPodcast  Follow Us: I've Had It Podcast: @Ivehaditpodcast Jennifer Welch: @mizzwelch Angie "Pumps" Sullivan: @pumpspumpspumps Special Guest: Neil deGrasse Tyson @neildegrassetyson

So we're supposed to start the podcast. Ready, one, two, three. It is gonna be an epic episode thanks to Judge Judy Diana, you're smiling. I'm smelling proud of myself. It's embarrassing. She is smiling from ear to ear,

looking at me like, have you ever been prouder? I mean, have I ever been more spectacular than at this moment? Later on, our listener will find out why that clap was so important. And that is yet to be revealed when we reveal the identity of our guest, our very special guest. Pumps before we reveal who our guest is, what a big fucking deal he is. He is. Tell us what you've had it with.

I have fucking had it when you go into a toilet like a restroom and you sit down on the toilet and it is one inch above the ground, like low toilet seats. The low rider toilet. The low rider toilet. The low rider toilet, I had two experiences with it just yesterday and I thought, who the fuck designed this? Why is it so low to the ground? I felt like it was eating my knees.

It makes no sense, male or female, it's too hard. Makes it harder than it has to be. And I've had it with shit that's harder than it has to be. You know what's interesting about this, is I know that you do not hover over a toilet. You are a bear backer. I'm a bear backer. So in this instance, you are bear backing on a low rider.

I'm a low ride bear backer. That's right. That's right. Low ride. Sure. Yep. Look at pups. I mean, I'm pretty cool. Just feeling myself today. You are. You're so cute. You just smile and so big. I mean, I just can't get over how fabulous that clap is. YouTube, if you can see this mega-watt smile. It's just adorable She is the most precious little angel. Okay. Let me tell you something. I don't know if this is a had it

I don't know if this is a hit it, but it's something we have to talk about okay toasters. Okay the numbers on them oh right one two three four Do you think that's for toastiness? Yes. Or do you think it's minutes? No, I think it's for toastiness. Like I want it extra crispy. Is that wrong? It's minutes. Oh good tip. I think universally, everybody, for all of these years of having toasters and having toasted bread, we have all collectively thought that the numbers represented toastiness. Right, I did. When in fact, they are minutes, and I learned this on, I think, TikTok. I mean, you learn something new every day from TikTok.

Mm-hmm. Just get a little bit smarter. And listener, today is going to be an episode about learning. Yep. So I'm going to share some things that I found out today that I'm going to share with the listener and with Pops. Okay. Numbers on a toaster or for what, Pops? Minutes.

Not toastiness. Not toastiness. Let me ask you this. Do you think that you can burp in space? I'm gonna say because you would assume the answer is yes. No. No, you cannot burp in space. Right, because you would assume you could

because if you could do it here, bet. It's a high-speed one. Okay. True or false, the human stomach can dissolve a razor blade. False? True. Really? Yeah. It can dissolve a razor blade. Boy, talk about acid, man. True or false? Hot water freezes faster than cold. I'm gonna say... I think it's false, so I'm gonna say true. Nailed it. It's true.

You're going against your first instance. You're going to get to my first instance, and then on like super random stuff, yeah. True or false, your urine has enough minerals in it that could charge your phone. That's so random, I'm gonna say yes. I mean, look at Ms. Mensa. Did you know that urine is sterile?

Little Ms. Mensa, yeah, I think I did. Yeah, I mean, I just know everything about urine. And here's just a little bit of information that was interesting. You know how when it rains on earth, it rains water, correct? Saturn, the planet receives 2.2 million pounds of rain in diamonds. Real diamonds? Real diamonds.

Shit, I'm surprised. Somebody had gone up there and started mining them. Like, you can make it to Marship. No, I know, but I'm just saying like that's people will want that because they can sell the diamonds for many. That's extraordinary, isn't it? Right. Right.

Our guests later on, I think can weigh in on some of this stuff with us. Absolutely. Listen, or we're kind of teasing you. You're probably like, why are the girls getting so academic? Right. We're doing some brain exercises right now, Peps and me, to get ready for our next guest because we have to feign

Being super intelligent, right Pumps, right and I'm nervous about it. Now we're gonna crush it Okay, welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie. Here's the deal I'm not gonna fuck around to call her the star. We're not gonna do any of that shit today because guys We're about to shit our pants. We Before I even reveal it and I know this torture, and I'll have had it with me, I'm not gonna reveal it because I'm gonna kick it to Kylie. Kylie, what's going on on the World Wide Web with I've had it podcast, international.

I don't know if it's as high IQ as what we're going for, but that's not shocking. I've got a one star review. Okay. And it's titled, Painful. Okay. Rosie Palm writes, this was so painful to listen to. My ears actually began bleeding.

This show is perfect for the dumb. These women are their leaders. Okay. Okay. perfect for the dumb. These women are their leaders. We're the leaders of the dumb. I kind of like it. Shit, you know what? I like it, but I don't want our next guest. I hope he hasn't seen that. Right, surely. Everybody would have canceled if he would have seen it. I don't want to be on the leaders of the dumb. The leaders of the dumb. Yeah. Wow.

One star. Okay, who's next? Okay, I've got one that's the opposite. Okay. Five stars and it's titled, crushing it twice over. Okay. They write, these two are hotter than a twice baked potato.

You are the moment. I wish I could put your glittering rainbow diamond and crusted, toxed and tranquilized petudies in my pocket. We won our guest for sure. Not here that. No, I want him to hear that. I wanted to hear that. Yeah, for sure that we're so darling, he wants to shrink us and put us in his pocket. I get that. Okay, I thought they were referring to the Botox. You know me, everything goes back to the Botox. Oh my God.

How did you miss that? I just missed it. That was a full-blown compliment. Thank you for the full-blown compliment. Sorry, I missed it. Well, are you nervous? I have to say I'm a little bit nervous. Have you been doing your homework?

I've been doing my homework? I've been doing my homework and I have questions about my homework. So that makes me think he's gonna think I'm dumb. Poms, you cannot fuck this up for us. I know, I'm really nervous. You know, you have an ability. It's to fuck everything up. You know, sometimes it just happens

and here's the deal, sis. You can't fuck this up for us. Not today. No, you're gonna deliver't fuck this up for us. Not today. No, you're gonna deliver, you're gonna crush it. Crush nation. Okay, so this guest is a world-renowned underachiever. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hasn't done a thing with his life. Yeah, nothing. Nothing makes you and I look like we are Mensa. Absolutely.

He doesn't know shit from Shainola as we say here in Oklahoma. Right. Just kidding, audience. He's really smart. He is your personal astrophysicist, bestselling author, host of acclaimed podcast Star Talk, and Emmy Award-winning National Geographic Channel shows Star Talk in Cosmos, and director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Museum of Natural History in New York City, let's welcome to I've Had It, Neil deGrasse Tyson. Do you suffer from having a parasocial relationship with two barely competent middle-aged women?

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it's like being so damn smart? Yeah. No, I so I think people misunderstand what smart is all right so let's back up for a minute the winner of any episode of jeopardy we think of them as smart all right and that's a kind of smartness that's a they know stuff and they know it quickly But how about people that might not know that much, but can figure stuff out? Right. I put in a lot of effort for you to be there right next to me, as we're thinking about the topic. So in other words, I could be professor at the front of the room, in front of the chalkboard, whatever they're made of today, the board, and just talking, and you have to come 90% of the way to meet me. Then I'm just lecturing. Or I can face you, learn how you think and what receptors you have for receiving and absorbing information. And I go 90% of the way to you and I share that knowledge with you. That's a different relationship. Right. One of them is it's your responsibility to learn. If you're not, it's your problem. The other one is my responsibility that you learn it. And my goal here is when I'm done, you take ownership of what it is I shared with you so that you don't

have to say, this is true because Tyson said so. If that's what you end up saying, I failed in that. I want to say this is true because here's why. Right. And I understand why. Okay. So if you want to say that I'm smart. Then tell me it's because I care how you think. And I put in the time and effort to reach that. Otherwise, I'm just talking to the breeze. that. Otherwise, I'm just talking to the breeze. Well, you know, you I live we live in Oklahoma City and it is the buckle of the Bible belt. And I was not raised with religion, which is very rare for how did that happen? My mother is a very curious person and decided around the age of seven or eight that she thought all of religion was kind of BS and she's a voracious reader. In Oklahoma. In Oklahoma. She's from Dallas originally.

So when you are a person like me and you're surrounded, all your peers are going to church and you weren't really ever indoctrinated in it, you find yourself an early adulthood on YouTube watching videos of people like you and it makes sense and it's stimulating. It really was like, oh my gosh. This is going to blame me for you losing your religion. Is this all right? Go on. I'm listening. Yes. Yes. But you know, I never had religion ever. And so I'd find myself watching videos of you, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and it just was so fantastic to be stuck in Oklahoma

and have such a great orator explain what was going on in the universe, but I digress here a little bit because you traffic in helping people understand things. And we kind of traffic here a little bit in petting us, Neil. No, no. Okay. We need some of that too.

Okay. Let's face it, okay. We traffic, and you know, the irritations and the petting us that happen in your everyday experience with other members of our species. And now we all congregate on social media. And something that has been rather irritating to me that, and also to Pumps here,

are the people who think that their life is falling apart during Mercury and retrograde? All right, can we back up for a moment? All right, let's go back 2,000 years. Just a moment, all right. Back when Earth was deeply believed by all to be the center of all motion. So now in the sky, by the way, there

was seven known planets back 2,000 years ago. There was Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, the Sun, and the Moon. Back then a planet comes from the Greek planetus, meaning wanderer. So those were the seven objects that moved against the background stars. We owe the names of the days of the week to those seven objects. Okay? So, Sunday's named after what object? The Sun. The Sun, thank you. Monday.

Monday. Mercury? Mars? Monday. Moon, moon. The moon. The moon. Okay.

Remember, we have small petty brains over here. Okay. Saturday. have small petty brains over here. Okay. Saturday. Uh, Saturday. Saturday. Yes. And we have a mixture of sort of Norse gods and, and, and, uh, Roman gods in there as well. But they each correspond in their own traditions to these seven objects.

So now watch. As they're moving against the background stars, let's take Mercury. Mercury is moving night to night. You don't see it while you're just standing there. You have to watch it against the pattern of stars behind it. Okay, you see it move, then it begins to slow down, then it stops, then it reverses,

and then it stops again and then goes back the way it was headed. If you're the center of all motion, that is weird, right? You got to come up with a word for that. That's Mercury and retrograde. That can't be good. Because it's always doing that. Okay. So now, Okay, so now fast forward, we're now Galileo Copernicus. Now Earth is no longer the center of motion. It's the sun and we go around the sun, so does Mercury.

So now Mercury is just going around the sun, minding its own business. And as it goes around the sun on the front side, you see going from left to right, and then it goes around the sun on the front side, you see going from left to right. And then it goes in the back side of the sun, it goes from right to left. Okay. That's what happens when you go to circle around things. If we were at a NASCAR race, and you're watching the cars first pass in front of you and then go to the other side of the track, are you inventing a word to describe the car going on the other side of the track. Are you inventing a word to describe

the car going on the other side of the track? The car is always moving forward. Right. So you're telling us this is an optical illusion. I'm right. So so the car you're not going to say, oh, it's now in retrograde. No, the other side of the sun. Okay? So, the concept of retrograde dates to when our ego was so large that we believe the universe cared about us. And the planet's new you existed and it's gonna have an influence on you. Think of the ego that that required to think to have those thoughts.

Oh my gosh. So it goes through retrograde pretty often for every earth orbit. Mercury is in retrograde frequently enough in a year. Some's bound to happen that you don't like to happen in your life. Right. So either you take responsibility for it or you don't. And if you don't, you have the entire universe to blame it on. Go right ahead. I'm not going to stop you.

But just don't think you are engaged in any exercise and objective truth. I love it because I see a lot of people on social media losing their minds and it's like Mercury's in retrograde and I forgot to do this and this and this and it seems to diminish the role of personal responsibility. So I started researching it and I found a video of yours. Look at Lee you curious self. I know. Oh my gosh. I know. So I found videos of yours online and I was like, there's just no evidence for this. And then I thought was so interesting about this.

And with astrology, it is a very young, earth-centric idea before people like you were able to get a telescope and zoom into the universe to figure out that we are actually not the center of it. And our planet certainly is not the center of it. And not only that, the constellations, which people want to believe are these real things, are just stars scattered in space. Right. Summer far, summer near, summer this. And if you take another point of you on it, it'll take some other shape. And it's not going gonna be your crab or your your scales or your fishes and so yeah, it's kind of embarrassing actually if aliens came to visit and I told them that they would say people do what

They lean in what They think what? They think they lean in. What? And you're the smartest species in the world. And the alien you just call back home and say, there's no sign of intelligent life on earth. So as somebody who knows this and you see this stuff, you have to see it.

People who live their life based on, you know, what where the stars were on this old dated science. Could Neil deGrasse Tyson say, I've had it with that? Well, so sure, however, however, and I know that's your whole theme in mantra. You got to be a little petty for us now. I don't want to dig deep. If you're this big of a person with this big of a brain, it's too much for the universe.

I don't want to overstep the, I've had it mantra here. But let me just say that in a free country, you can think whatever you want. That's right. And you're distracted by the, by the, the And you're distracted by the mercury retrograde people. There's the whole, there's the flat earth people. And the people say we never went to the moon. You know, there's a lot of navigate.

I have to get through before I even get to the mercury people. Okay. Just, all right. So we live in a free country. There was a famous basketball player, Kyrie Irving played for the Boston Celtics. They got traded a couple of times and I lost track. He was a big flat earther all on his social media.

And part of me said, why does anyone care that a professional basketball player says earth is flat? Plenty of jobs for you in this world, if you think earth is flat. Basketball is one of them You're good with that. Okay. I'm not I can't chase after you for that. We're in a free country Just don't try to become head of NASA Okay, this would be a category of job you should not try to get, all right?

Otherwise, so as an educator and as a free speech defender, I can't say I've had it with them. I can't say that. The moment I say I've had it, it's like I'm ready to just bit slap somebody. And, and, you know, I've had it with you. That's like the last thing you say before you take up arms, right? Isn't it? I'm way more chill than I think you needed for this program. Well, I do think I do think it would be an interesting case study to drop you in like a suburban Oklahoma

city area in the suburbs and that you had to attend a mega church every Wednesday, every Sunday, TIE, and do all this stuff. I think that we could force and I've had it situation with Neil deGrasse Tyson. Granted, you might be a hostage. But I think that we could elicit the response required to really have had it. I think I know I can take very long. I got one for you. Okay. Okay. When I was just before I turned 12, I was 11. No, no, no, I was 10, not yet 11. Vis visiting a friend of mine's Grandparents hometown in a tiny town in Virginia called Pamplin Virginia. Apparently, it's still a tiny town

All right, I might have had 500 people in it. He had relatives there So we went to visit this is July 1969. That's how old I am okay and I was already a geeky kid. All right. From from age nine, I knew I wanted to be an astrophysicist. All right. And by the way, what else was happening in July 1969? Oh, the man. Yes, we're landing on the moon. Yes. Okay. We're landing on the moon. So I'm there. And I'm watching things unfold around me. And I cannot, I'm 10 years old. And I'm watching things unfold around me and I cannot, I'm 10 years old and I'm saying I cannot believe what I'm watching here, okay? It was like okay, there were old folks there and someone had a scrape on there, they got scratched with a rose bush and it's, let always put some kerosene on that. It was like, what? Like, what?

What? Okay. And through these folk remedies that they would invoking, and I was like, oh my gosh, what is happening? Okay, and then it happened to be revival week. I didn't know anything about revival. But I go to revival, go into church, it is hot. This is joy in Virginia.

It is hot. There's no in Virginia. It is hot. There's no air conditioning. Everybody's got the fan and it just went on intimately doing the church for like, I don't know how long we were actually in the church, but I know how long it felt. It felt like four or five hours and was every day. And I said, what is going on?

There he is. I'm seeing this. There's our guy. I could not. And I said, and I told him, I've had it. We're landing on the moon for goodness sake. And if you were putting kerosene on this, and that wasn't it, there was the more I would later

buy a book about 19th century remedies and they were all in there. Ever seen on a cut? Yeah, that'll fix it right up. Okay. That'll disinfect it. All right. That was something for me.

Yeah. The carousine was the straw. Yeah. It was the straw. It was the moon landing during the revival. Oh, yeah. You know what I like about you, Neal? Is every answer,

ask you about Mercury and retrograde. Let me go back 2000 years. Neil, what did you have with? Let me go back to when I was 10 years old. Everything is very... Okay, well, so one other thing, just about to put the religion thing to bet. Okay. So people started asking me religion questions, it's maybe 30 years ago, 25 years ago, and I'd have under informed responses, you know. You do your thing, I'd do it. No, I should be more informed than that. So I started reading religious books and religious texts and religious tracks and religious writings, interpretations of writings. I read with the apologetics wrote. And so I have shelf upon shelf of religious books. And so I have a certain fluency in multiple religions, primarily Christianity,

but other religions as well, that I now feel comfortable having a full-up conversation with a religious person. And without offending them, I'm not out to offend really, but I'm not going to let go of objective truths. But let me ask you this, do you believe in God? I find no evidence for any God that anyone says exists based on what they say or the properties of that gun. Same. In a conversation with a religious person, in every case, it is basically a certain fact, a certainty that I have read more about their religion than they have read about my science. Right.

Okay. So that makes where very mismatched conversation. Because I was in Vegas, I had a driver who recognized me, okay. And he asked me a question, he says, what counts as evidence for you and for proof? And I said, well, what counts as proof? And I said, we need evidence to testing this sort of thing.

And he says, does eyewitness testimony matter? And I say, it can be the start of evidence, but it's not the best evidence. And then he said, well, how about the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus? Okay. That's what he said. He's also a part-time preacher.

And anybody's also a driver. You know, he's like a car service driver. That's when he said, I'm also a preacher. I said, okay, that's fine. So I said, what evidence are you citing? And he said, oh, well, the guards who were near the tomb. Okay? And I said,

they weren't eyewitnesses to this. And rather than embarrass him in that moment, I just kept talking rather than to get, I just said, they were not eyewitnesses. We said, well, why? And I said, they were asleep when this happened. It says that clearly in the scriptures. Okay. So they guard the tomb. They fell asleep. God came in, moved the stone, took out the body of Jesus, and he ascended into heaven. That's the narrative around it. They were not eyewitnesses, period.

I mean, astrophysicists, telling this to a preacher. That shouldn't happen that way. I know. I know. And what I think is interesting, because like you, I probably didn't read as much as you did, because I'm slightly less ambitious, just slightly, though, you know,

I don't want you to think lowly at me. But I began to voraciously read about this religion that encircled me in my life here in Oklahoma City. And I was really surprised. I was surprised, Christians, that's right. I was really surprised to find out that the life of Jesus did not make it into the historical record that somebody's doing magic tricks and you know turning water into wine

and you know walking on water and all of these things. And the first account of him was 75 to 100 years after his death. I started researching it and I found such little evidence. And what I found was that Christianity was just basically a knockoff of an Egyptian religion prior to that. So when I have conversations with fundamentalists around Oklahoma, they don't know any of these things. And so then, of course, they go hit the Google to try to, you know, and I don't have these conversations very often.

It's not something that is, that I don't have any desire to change anybody's thoughts about the world. And you are a little bit. You're trying to dismantle the very foundation of their belief system. Exciting these cases. And what I'm saying is, it's a belief system, no matter what. Even if Jesus were most certainly real, that doesn't change any of this. Whether the existed or didn't exist, it doesn't matter. There's an entire religion based on his existence. And so that's

not going to go away because you made an argument about it. So that's what I'm saying. I'm more chill than either of you. That's not hard to believe. Pops, we are going to take control of our health this year, especially yours. There's one thing you've been doing that I think you've got to continue to do. Do you know what I'm talking about?

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in. That's Shopify.com slash had it. Well, Neil, we like to play a game and this is where I think we're going to have you completely locked exactly where we want you. All right. This is where we are really going to close in on even though I'm chill. Even though I'm so chill. We have a we have a book here called the permanent record and we're going to put in the permanent

record. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is chill. Okay. But you that will be submitted, but I am going to force you to play a game called had it or hit it. And I'm going to list some things and you have to answer if you don't like them, you will have had it. And if you like them, you'll hit it. Okay. Oh my god. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. I had it. I hit it every day sometimes twice a day. I had it. I hit it every day sometimes twice a day.

I had it or hit it, double dippers. And I'm not talking about anything in space. I'm talking about eating chips and salsa. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't think anyone means to double dip. I think they double dip by accident. So. So nice.

Yeah, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you. Yeah, they just forgot that it was a thing. And so, I hear here, can I, I know you want quick answers here, but okay, if you see someone double dipping, okay, that's not sanitary, we know. But suppose you were single, let's say, can you imagine tongue kissing that person? Then it doesn't matter that they double did. Right. Because you're going to kiss me anyway. On the first date, you're kissing. You're exchanging the liva on a first date. Well, I'm not a germaphob, so it doesn't bother me. Like, if I-

I'm not a germaphob, because the folds on the ground, I pick it up, I eat it, I don't even care. Yeah. So I would say, hit it. We just need to be educated. Hit it. Had it or hit it, personal space invaders. Ha.

Hit it. Only because when they get that close, Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, enthusiastic about that. No, no, no, no, no, it makes me crazy. And I want to push him. No, no, no, and white thing. I know this is very unscientific. If I ask myself. Say it. Say it. If that were my job, I'd be very sad that you'd be angry with me just performing my job.

Sure. It's, it's not, is it their fault that that's the only job they can have? I knew people who in big call rooms that were doing just that. And they're just trying to pay their rent. So I can't. What if it's a bad? It was someone just trying to pay their rent. And that's what they are. If you want to get it back at them, you answer the call.

And you keep them on. You know, I had a recipe last night and let me tell you how that turned out. And then you use up their time, they'll hang up on you because if they know, they're not getting money. Okay. How about this variation of a spam call? Go. Your cell phone rings and it is a robo call for a politician that is a pro-second amendment Trump magas style politician, but it's a robot. How did it hit it? If you can't get enough staff to call me with a human being, I don't think you deserve anybody's vote.

It wouldn't matter what a political party it represented. So, so had it. Yeah! Mr. Chill. I had it. Yeah. Mr. Chill. I had it with Robo calls. Mr.

Chill is a car. I'm going to had it with with your calls very important to us. Please stand by. Right. It can't be that important to you if a recording tells me my call is important to you. I agree.

Don't stop. You know, let's let's get real here. There's our guy right there. We knew we could pull it out of you. Okay. Had it or hit it, memes. You don't invent the term meme? No.

It was Richard Dawkins. Richard Dawkins, I knew that. Yeah, yeah. It was like, it's a gene that gets passed from one generation to the next, but it's a memory gene. So, it's so compelling that it gets,. I say hit it. I have nothing to just mean. I like me too. Okay, the last one had it or hit it, Donald Trump. Yeah, after September, after January 6th, I had it with Donald Trump.

Agreed. We're going to march on the cabinet and I'll be there with you. You know, before then, I agree. He says, we're going to march on the cabinet and I'll be there with you. You know, before then, he was just a politician that many people liked that most people didn't like. But okay, this is what a democracy evoked for people. But if you start planning resurrections of the seat of our government, no, there's no room for that. A great.

A great. We've had it with you. So I've A great. We've had it with that. So I've had it. I've had it. Neil, I want to tell you I read your book to Infinity and Beyond. Great title, of course. And you do a great job. There are a lot of things I had never even heard of.

Well, it's the whole point with hand picking things. It's our ascent from Earth's surface to the edge of the universe, but with our bodies, with our machines, with our space probes, and with our mind. And it's that journey where at any given moment, there's a point that feels like it's infinity away. Right. But then clever people and new inventions and new materials enable it. And now you have new understandings of infinity.

So it's a, it's, it's not a literal truth, but it's an emotional truth about exploration and discovery. Well, you do a great job of like, I don't want to say dumbing it down, but speaking it in a plain enough language that I get it. That's the DNA of my podcast, StarTalk. It's the three strands of DNA, a science, pop culture, and humor, humor.

And the pop culture part of that are all the movies that the Hollywood movies that touch the science that we talk about in that book. And you know I'm going to talk about the movie. Did they get it right? Did they get it wrong? Because it better. So you know I'll be all up in the movie when you go through there. I'm glad you brought up movies because I read somewhere that you watched Titanic.

And the scene where Rose is floating in the ocean, you noticed that the stars were not aligned properly. And it was just it was a bother to you. It's not. Now, tell you why bother me. Okay. If you want to piss on the sky, fine. But don't piss on the sky and praise your own production

for how accurate it is. If you were around back when that movie was first advertised, he went to, in a submersible, with Robert Ballard down to the Titanic and they took video and we have the wall sconces, the China patterns, the state rooms were exquisitely and meticulously recreated so that the Titanic is there in all of its splendor. And now you have a sky that's wrong.

You can't believe the light is too bad. It was a moonless night, it was a cloudless night. We know the day, the date, the time. There's only one sky Rose should have been looking at with their dead frozen boyfriend all day. And it was the wrong sky. Don't you think you should have tried a second time to float on that? Yes, I'm not saying that. He gave up too quickly. Oh, oh, so anyhow, it's not the wrong sky. The left half was a mirror reflection of the right half. So it's not only wrong.

So I was a lazy guy. And so yeah, I just had no patience for that. I understand that you fixed that shit. Well, yeah, so I wrote letters and with my finest of letter head. And I finally, I finally caught up with him. Finally caught up with James Cameron. And I said, Mr. Cameron, why did you, you know, and then he said, Oh, well, that was done in post production. And I didn't see it.

I want him to grovel at my feet. Yeah. Pretty didn't. Okay. Yeah. That was not, he was not up to that. And I saw I was still, that was an answer, but I wasn't satisfied with that answer. Then just making long story short, I'm here at the Hayden Planetarium of the American Museum of Natural History in New York City, big space here. So one of the big magazines that might have been wired was giving him an award. And they were going to have a celebration here in this facility as like a third party rental of the space. As a courtesy, they call me up and say, do you want to come to this awards ceremony for James Cameron? And I said, is he going to be there? So I said, that I'm in. So afterwards, we go out to dinner. It's like eight of us. And the wine is pouring. And I said, Jim,

how come you got? Why did you? And he said, last I checked worldwide Titanic as has earned a billion dollars. Imagine how much more it would have made had I gotten the sky correct. Okay, I'm done here. I'm done. I got I got nothing. I've done. Wait, wait, but wait. A few weeks later, I get a phone call. This doctor touched. I said, yes, who is it? I forgot his name. Joe Smith. Joe, James Cameron is producing a centennial re-release in IMAX of this film. He's recutting some of the visuals of the scene and he tells me you have a sky he can use. I said yes. And so I created the sky looking up to the side, gave it to him and that made it into the

centennial beliefs. And this was just between me and him, but the press got a hold of this and it was made headlines when that movie came out, but that was not my intent to call them out publicly that way. But I will say, if you're gonna defend something, defending the sky is a pretty noble thing to defend. It is noble. I really, you get me.

I appreciate that. I appreciate. Somebody appreciates me. I do. I really think that, because we defend a lot of really crazy petty things here, Neil, and so that is just Hashtag goals for us here at my had it to defend something as noble as the sky

Absolutely the night sky and You can have an app that would show you what that sky was by then the apps available But you could not double check what his China patterns look like in the state rooms look like So here's something he's saying is true that you can't verify. And something that he's also saying is true that you can verify and it's false. I think you would kind of have it with the fake sky. I'm just saying, you know, you're going to blow back.

I know there's going to be a lot of it with the fake sky. Why are you doing this to me? I was a nice person. You are a nice person. No, we don't want to are you doing this to me? I was a nice person. You are a nice person. And we don't want to corrupt you too much. We don't want to curate you much. Keep being chill, keep doing all the cool shit you do.

Keep fighting the good fight. I hear you standing up for marginalized communities everywhere and a voice like yours for LGBTQIA plus you. Oh, that's in there too, yeah. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Thank you. And states like this, it means so much to have people like you of your stature speak out. And it means so much to two middle aged ladies of average intelligence to have such a big shot on our past.

Such a big shot. I just watched you on Stephen Colbert last week and I was like, oh my gosh, he's going to be on our podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.bert last week. And I was like, oh my gosh, he's going to be on our part. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm going wherever, wherever I'm needed. But Neil, I do think I'm going to make an argument. I'm going to make an argument that you kind of needed us today just to tap into just attention to readiness because you just can't. you cannot be as big brain as you are.

I can't leave it cooped up inside. That's right. This is therapy for you. Neil, thank you so much. Neil, you were fantastic. Love. By the way, I occasionally give public talks in Oklahoma City. I said, you were there.

Where were I was there. We had last year. I was there. Oklahoma City. I didn't know. I will be at the next one. I will be at the next one. I will be at the next one. Front row.

Okay. I'll find my schedule with you. I'm gonna sign my book. Okay. Okay. Bye. Thanks, Neil. Bye.

Well, aren't we hot shit? We are hot shit. Did you kind of get a little crotch sweat going when he was asking us like, what's the planet for Sunday and we were like, send? I was like, Merck, Merck.

Merck. And I was like, we're the dumbest people on the planet. I was like breaking out like full-motion. I'm so glad I got the 1969 moon landing. I had no fucking clue. Yeah, I nailed that. You did. You carried it.

We missed, we got to demure it when it was the moon for Monday. Yeah, we just, we were both like, uh, oh, shit. I was like full crotch wedding. Kylie. Kylie, Kylie, Kylie. You have to help. Kylie, so what do you think?

You think, uh, Neil deGrasse Tyson is a total underachiever? Absolutely compared to me. Yeah. Yeah. I do think and he won't admit it. He's kind of like a petty king. That being that wound up about the sky. He had it.

He had it with that. He had it with that. And he like handed it down. And I think we showed him a glimpse of the beauty that is owning your pettingness. He has such a big brain. He can't just outwardly say that, but we did corner him a couple of times. And I'm so glad that that's going to be

out in the worldwide web. We will submit to our permanent record that Neil digress Tyson is chill. It's chill. Absolutely. However, we have some conflicting evidence on our podcast where he has had it with my things. Personal belief versus. I know, we learned a lot. I'm gonna have to watch this episode like five times to get it. How great is he? How many smart people like that?

Like that smart are that funny and engaging? I think the thing that's so great about him, there's a lot of astrophysicist. There's a lot of people that are that smart. Is he such a great communicator? Absolutely. And so sometimes I think, you know, you think of a scientist maybe being introvert,

maybe a lot of them are, but he's so extroverted, so gregarious, such a great communicator. And as you said, he has a great way of dumbing things down so that people understand it. And I think it's very important for people to embrace science. I do too. And I think it's very important for people to embrace science. And I think it's important that we understand that all of what's happened in the last hundred years in our world because of modern science is really significant. And you know, in order to try to circumvent

climate change and things, we have to understand science. Absolutely. And Neil deGrasse Tyson is now our personal astrophysicist. He's everyone's personal astrophysicist. He is. He's everybody's. But we're on first name basis with him. We are. He was on our podcast. He was on our podcast.

Because we're hot shit. We're hot shit. We're hot shit. And I did a great clap. So we knew it was going to be a great show. What about how smug you were after that clap? I was. But I was not a smug when I couldn't get Monday. I'll tell you that right now. Not near smuggy were after that clap. I was, but I was not a smug when I can get Monday. I'll tell you that right now, not near smug.

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