I've Had It - Take Your Ass to Cracker Barrel

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

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so are we supposed to start the podcast ready one two three patriots gay triots they treat it's black triots brown triots welcome to america's top dei podcast pumps what have you had it with okay what i've had it with and i know i've talked about this before but i hate it when you're driving on the highway and somebody is driving slow in the fast lane because it's not only annoying But because you're just, you're just treading water. You can't get behind the slow person because the fast person won't move, vice versa. So you're just, you're suspended in time, I feel like. And then I personally take it a step further and I start creating a narrative about that person.

Like this person is so stupid. They don't know that you're supposed to drive fast and just pass in the fast lane unless you're going to drive fast. That tells me they're a trumper. and I know they're a trumper because they're stupid. And then I get mad. Like, I cannot believe that person. Then I see that they have a kid in the car. And I'm like, they're generationally perpetuating Trumpism.

And this is all because they're going in the slow lane. But I take it, I mean, they're going slow in the fast lane. But I take it to a whole other level that my blood is boiling because I just immediately now, anybody that does something that's idiotic or stupid or a lack of self-awareness, they immediately go into my Trump MAGA pile and then I get enraged. I think that's so relatable. And it's such an easy like right now, it's just like an easy place to deposit all of the grievances just to blame on just put it all in MAGA.

But you know, this whole thing about like driving in the fast lane, that's an American thing. Right. You go to other countries and they only use the fast lane for passing and everybody's over in the right. And I've noticed that the people. that do the slow driving in the fast lane, with the exception of elderly people, which I kind of give a pass on. I do too. Is you'll see, it's a guy like in a Ford F-150.

Yes. And they're wanting, they're wanting the road rage incident because you'll, you know, you'll be behind him, you get, you know, 24 inches away from their bumper and they start slowing down. And you finally get around them and they're like, you know, with their hat. And it's just, I don't know what it is, this American machismo. I think we just have a culture that has a lot of beta males in it. And where we don't want the beta males to feel their level of beta, we've told them they're alpha. And capitalism has offered them things that they can purchase to make them feel like

they are big boys, like big trucks, big tires, nutsacks for the trucks, little eagle shirts, maga-coated merch stuff. And then we've offered, you know, a president that makes them feel like they're badass one. Really, that just all of those things just show how beta they are because all they do is follow what the beta herd is doing. You're so right about capitalism gives them a way to say, hey, I'm not a beta male. I'm an alpha male. Right. And it's the whole, you know, just the tires. And it's all for me, and I know I've said it a million times, it's overcompensating you're afraid you're either small manhood or bad in the sack because those things follow and so then i have to prove i have to talk tough i have to talk down to women to

prove how big my dick is right and i just fucking hate it i've had it with um white people that triple trumped yeah that have the nerve and the audacity to walk into a mexican restaurant a Chinese restaurant, an Indian restaurant, go to perhaps their gay hairdresser, white women that may use a gay makeup artist. I really genuinely believe that if you vote, if you triple Trump, then you are all about preserving the lack of culture in white America that has led us to where people go and Bible thump with their AR-15s. Like, that's the only thing that I see when you get all white people together in the United States. There's no culture at all. So they have to go borrow culture from people, even the word woke.

They've borrowed from black culture. I went to a Mexican restaurant with my parents, my son, my husband over the weekend. And there's just all these MAGA-looking people in there. And I thought, you've got a lot of fucking nerve coming in here. coming into this Mexican restaurant where every single waiter, obviously English was their second language, served with a smile, they run a great little local business, and Oklahoma City is a better place because of these hardworking immigrants that come in here. But I cannot imagine the horror they feel when they are driving to and from work, when they might have a hearing on their status, legal status. I can't imagine the people who've already been taken from their lives and to see these fat ass pink arm teeny weenie beta pricks with their ugly ass wives walk into this Mexican restaurant and sit down and smile and be friendly. I don't think you should be able to enjoy anything but Cracker Barrel.

get your fat asses over to cracker barrel quit watching NBA basketball quit watching sports that are dominated by African Americans quit going to Mexican restaurants you want white culture you go fucking live in it you live in it bathe in it go to do all the white culture stuff get your Bible thump on go get in the duct take at the mega church after you watch your mega preacher drive off in his Rolls Royce and then go you know to to the shooting range and go shoot shit, but do not participate in any of the shit that makes America cool. And what makes America cool is multi-culturalism. And if you want to triple Trump and you want to browbeat DEI, and you want to browbeat gay people, and you want to

browbeat black people as you've been doing for 400 years, and you want to browbeat this generation of immigrants that come over here and open up businesses earnestly pay their taxes, you want to demonize them and call them rapists and felons and all this shit when the felon is the teeny weeny mushroom cock piece of shit canckels mctaco tits at the top of the ticket i have fucking had it from top to bottom white people that triple trump should be banned boycotted from enjoying the best thing that america has to offer which is multiculturalism get your fat asses out of the mexican restaurant get your fat asses over to cracker barrel because nobody wants to see your fucking smugging ass teeny weenie pink arm big gut around nobody wants to see that shit no one i completely agree

pat it i want to take it a step further let's go i want the women the triple trump or white women yeah i want if you want to be in the golden age then i want you to give up a credit card in your name i want you to give up the bank account in your name and i want you to be completely beholden to a I don't want you to work. I want you to stay home and make corn flakes from scratch for that fucker because that's what you're voting for. When they're talking about the golden age and let's make America great again, they're talking about you having less rights than men, not be able to have a credit card, not being

able to own anything in your own name. So triple Trump, country club Christian white women, you should have to forfeit those luxuries. I completely agree. And I think they should probably have to give a couple blowjobs a day, too. I think that's fair. Yeah. You know, like if your whole thing is you're going to service these men, then, you know, they know better.

And you're going to throw other people's kids under the bus just because of the color of their skin. And you think watching Candace Owens makes you a little bit less racist, fuck you. And I just, I cannot stomach what this horrible white culture is doing. to the best parts of America right now, it is just unfathomable and how smug they are and how hateful they are and just how God-awful the architecture is and the churches that they frequent explains a lot to me. And I know I always go back to that, but there is no culture in white America except for dump, truck, life church visits and Bible studies combined with going to the shooting range and then watching Fox News and being a piece of show.

shit. That's what American culture has come to in white America. I personally, my life, when I'm around a bunch of just white women at a lunch, I avoid those things like the plague because it bores me to tears. There's no substance. Nobody talks about anything interesting. It's demeaning people. It's gossiping behind people's back. And I just am not that interested in that. I'm not that interested in that. But when I go out with my gay friends, when I go out with my black girl friends that I've met through my son's basketball, there's just a lot more meat on the bones. White people are dreadfully boring and what has saved us from the lack of culture in America is our multiculturalism.

And I enjoy very much experiencing black culture, Latino culture, Asian culture. As an American, I enjoy those cultures very much because they've integrated into our culture. And because white America, especially for me and atheist raised in the Bible Belt with all these women that just their life goal was just to get married, I mean, no offense, if that's what you want to do, but that wasn't the life for me. That's not what I wanted. I wanted to have a career. I want to have my own thoughts. I want to have my own agency. I want to have my own autonomy. And I've always wanted that. So I've always been an outlier in this place. So I have found the comfort in the people who the patriarchy has also tried to shoot down. and that's where the best meat on the bones is in America. That's where the best of the best is. The Krusty Country Club lunches, have at them.

The book clubs with white women and the Bible studies, have at it. Do your thing. Don't go to gay hairdressers, no gay floors for you, no Mexican restaurants. Get your fucking ass to supercuts and over to Cracker Barrel. And you leave the rest of all the culture that all of this multiculturalism is built to those of us that aren't racist pieces of shit i think it's a fabulous idea yeah one of your best ones thank you welcome to i've had it i'm jennifer i'm angie hbic that stands for beaver beaver in charge kiley yes what do you think i love this idea what do you think i mean you you grew up in an all white

town still water oklahoma is there any culture there uh besides football and god no if that counts as culture Yeah. You know, I just, there's a news story out there right now that there's like a whites only town on the rise. Oh, I've seen that like Missouri or something. And they want to spread it. They're like, we're going to open more. And the comments, you go look, you'll see a black person say, good.

Right. Stay in it. Build those. Exactly. And go live in them. I mean, like that is my worst nightmare. Like some of the most misery of my adult life where I've been sitting there thinking, what are my life choices is when I've been with a group of, when we were.

younger and our kids were younger and you end up with a group of moms right and I'm sitting there and I'm listening to the conversations they're having and what's important to them and I'm just sitting there and it's and that's their life everything's relative but I'm just sitting there thinking these people literally have no clue I remember we got in a conversation at your house once this is during the Obama administration about um health care Obamacare and this woman I talk I talk about this in our book this woman is a huge Christian she has a gay brother but just, you know, completely dismisses that fact. She's a judgmental, hateful twat.

One of the biggest, most hateful twats I've ever met in my life, right? And she's all over me telling me I'm going to hell and all this shit, right? Like, you know, this woman's an alcoholic. She's got a gay brother. Can't even for one second look in the mirror. But she's a big, big Bible thumber. So she's making the case to me about Jesus and what a terrible person I am because I'm an atheist and all this shit. And I look at her and I go, so you're big into Jesus.

it's like, what about health care for poor people? Well, I don't think that's a right. It's a privilege. She says that to me, just to smug as fuck. That kind of white culture, I just want no part of. I want no part of that white, entitled Christian culture. It grosses me out. I dread every minute I ever spent in circles like that. And when I do the autopsy in my adult life at this stage and I look back, it's spending time with people like that that I regret. I don't regret my mistakes. I regret sharing oxygen with pieces of shit like that. I do. Yeah. And it's pervasive. I mean, it is everywhere. And it is a mindset. It is not isolated. That philosophy is, or that way of thinking is not an isolated incident. No, it's just like brazen hypocrisy on display.

Yeah. Bragging about it. Well, indignant. Yeah. Just I get to have it because I'm privileged. I'm chosen and I'm better than other people. You see, especially in places like Oklahoma, it's such a void of culture, just and almost people brag about it. Oh, no, they do brag about it. Yeah, the lack of culture. Like, well, you know, we're just down to earth, good people.

We like our suppers, our football team, our God and our guns. Our guns. Yep. You know, it's just God and church. It's gross. It's gross. But you know what? If that's what they want to do, I'm with the people.

If they want to have an all-white thing, I think it's dangerous. I think it's fucked up. But at least you know we're not to go. Right. I don't ever want to go there. Right. Yeah. No, I agree.

And who would want to be around those miserable fucking people anyway? Probably 77 million people. Yeah. Tush. Okay, I've got some reviews for you today. This one is for Mima. It says, Mima, was that you? And Kathy said,

I recently participated in a 10K and could have sworn I saw Mima racing alongside me. What made me think it was America's greatest legal mind? The racer was puffing on their vape while running a 10K, of course. Maybe it was you, maybe it wasn't. Either way, I love the pod. You keep this Les Triot sane in Trump's God-Forsaken America. First of all, I'm so flattered that she thought I could run a 10K, which I don't think I could even walk a 10K. And the vaping, the woman after my own heart.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the vaping is, I think you're a bigger vapor than you were smoker and you were three packs a day, Marlboro Lights. I completely agree because I can do it inside. Yeah. I can do it. It's in my bed asleep. I have one in bed. And if I lose it, there's one next to me that I can grab. Yeah. No, it's way worse. It reminds me of your youngest Luke when he was three. With his pasties. Yeah. So Angie's little, her youngest son, his name is Luke. He's a doll. He just had a birthday. So happy birthday, Luke. And he was so obsessed. with his pacifiers when he was little like I mean it was he would have one in one hand one in the other and one in his mouth and he could like juggle them in and out and I would just to fuck with him because when you're a young mom you just you're bored to tears you're home all the time with the kids I would get a bowl and I would put all of his passies there'd be like 12 and I'd put it right in front of him like a like a bowl of chips and Andrew'd be like you're such a bitch and I'd be like I know but

let's just see what he does I mean he made sure he rotated them all in and out that's you with the vapes yeah no it's an oral fixation for yeah sure also what he did when I'd say Luke you can't take your passie in here he would take it and his hand he goes suck it and then put it down like take a bunch of big sex off of it yeah it was which is what I do if I know I'm going where I can I'm like yeah you're a you are you have toddler like instincts with your vaping 100% I can't defend it you love it you love it so much I do um okay Kylie anymore I've got one more five star review titled how did I live without and D. Matt Taylor says, as a podcast obsessive, I don't blow smoke, but this pod has to be the best.

I listen to them all, but this is the most refreshing, honest, engaging, joyful, real rattling content I need in my life every day. Thank you for stepping up and speaking up when our world is in disarray. I love you both so much. Please never stop bringing truth to the world. How nice. That's so nice. What a great review. Two great reviews today. Two great reviews.

I mean, we'll be due for some negative ones, I'm sure. Okay, Pumps, I wanted to share this with you. I don't know if you've heard about it or not yet. There is an app called Tee that lets women anonymously review guys, and it has soared to number one in the app store. A new app called T-T-E-A has gained rapid traction as women-only platform for anonymously reviewing men based on dating experiences. The app was inspired by what the creator described as his mother's experience being catfished and unknowingly dating men with criminal records. Wow. I think this is a fabulous idea. It's triggered a backlash, particularly from men who say it promotes unverified allegations and causes reputational harm.

Some have threatened legal actions citing concerns over privacy and defamation. The platform also suffered a data breach on July 10th. 25th with personal information reportedly leaked on 4chan according to 404 media so in theory um you know when you think back to being young and dating and it's it's not spoken about a whole lot but you when i think back to how horny men and how diabolical they can be to get laid when you think back to being in like in your 20s. Yeah. And how they can put on this charm offensive and tell you everything that you want to hear.

And so then you start sleeping with him. And then you find out he's got like three or four other side pieces. Right. And then you're like, what the fuck? He is such a piece of shit. And he perfectly like made himself your, you know, perfect prince in your stupid young naive world you're thinking of. So in that regard. I can think about us, you know, younger and going, oh, my God, this guy, you know, putting the tea, spilling the tea on that.

But I can also see somebody getting, a guy that's probably about it, maybe a C plus B minus morally, okay? He's just, he's not that great, but he's slightly above average, but he really broke your heart. And you want to make sure nobody else dates him. I could also see a group of girls talking into, let's just rip him on the tea. Of course. You know what I mean? Hell, half, no fury. Yeah, no, if everybody did it in good faith, I think it's a great app.

And I'm not saying if I were dating and I did that, I'm not saying I wouldn't fall prey to not being in good faith. But I do think it's a really powerful tool because men are such liars. You know, they also have that, are we dating the same guy kind of thing where you post the picture and it's supposed to be just women. And, you know, and I personally have not been. on it. People have showed me like, oh, yeah, three people were dating. He said he was single. He was married. Like all the things. Because I think men have had the advantage for so long that they

get the benefit of the doubt. And so I think it's good that women have this. But I do see that it could be taken too far. And I personally could take it too far. Well, and I'm thinking about like not where we are right now, but think about like you're about 24 to 27. 100%. Okay. And your whole social life is. is like, okay, we're going out, and it was before social media for us. You go out, you go to bars, and it's all about mating rituals. Like, I mean, that's just your number one go-to. Well, that's what these people, this generation is doing. And they're mating rituals, bizarrely. A lot of them are happening online through these apps. And I can see, like, I could see a girlfriend, if I'm really

honest, we're drunk, maybe smoking a little weed. Yes. And she's like, in this motherfucker, he fucked me. And then he left my apartment. And then he went and fucked her. And then he came back and crawled in bed with me, pass the joint around, you take another shot, and it's like, let's fucking light his ass up. Now, here's the thing. Is promiscuity, being promiscuous, is that, for a 20-something-year-old male, is that worthy of complete reputational annihilation online. That's the question I get to because I think that there is always still this double standard where women are slut shamed and men are cheerleaded by how many partners they have. But ideally, I think in your 20s, it's the time to kind of go out and just fuck around.

I agree. I think it's the time to go out and have casual sex, have serious sex, kind of figure out who you are sexually. I'm sure like there's some Bible thumpers that hate listening to us right now that are just dying. But genuinely, I think that's what the 20s are for learning, you know, always under the parameters of consent and safety. But that's what you should do. So I wonder if like, let's say, we have four sons between us. Let's say one of our sons go through a slut period. Yeah. You know? And then he's just eviscerated reputationalally online. Then do these men become more risk adverse to dating. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's just, there's so many problems that I don't know how to solve because I just don't have any experience with it. And I'm past the time in my life.

But I know in my 20s, I would have abused that kind of a side. You too. There's just no question. I think I, I just 100% I can see you and I. Like if you date, like, okay, let's just, for example, you know, you recently had an affair with a married man. Unbeknownst to you, you didn't know he was married. Right. But let's take that back a couple of decades when we used to go to Mexico and sit around and smoke weed and drink champagne, all day long. That's what we did on these trips. And you found out at that age when hormones are higher, I could totally see us just fucking body slamming this guy on one of those apps. And he would have deserved it. That's what I was going to say. And then you have the deserved body slams online, the people that do

misbehave so badly. But also like, it's just such a fine line. And he is to make that decision. But here's the moral question. Outside of overt, like sexual abuse and emotional abuse, is the guy that lied to you, took you on some dates? Is that the internet's business? I would say no, but I think that's an age thing. Because I think as much as I hate infidelity, as much as a skunk as I think that guy is, I don't think he is an emotional abuser or physical abuser or any of those things. He's broken and he can't keep his dick in his pants.

There's no question about that, but welcome to the human species. Right. So I guess that's my question about this whole thing is people are flawed and people cheat and do these things. But is it worth having this paper trail? I just don't know. Yeah, I just, I cannot. I see how it could be good, how it could be useful, how it could spare someone like, if somebody gets on there and they're like, oh, yeah, that happened to her. I'm kind of seeing these

characteristics, you know, like controlling. His ex-girlfriend said he's super controlling. Pretty soon he's in your bank account. You know, that's abused to me. That deserves to me. I agree. You know, that is a warning flag. Yeah. But then you just get into is anything private anymore. And then who's the judge? Who determines what is appropriate to be called out online and what isn't? I know who. I know who the judge can be. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Princess Diana. Judge Judy Diana. Yeah. Okay. I kind of would get so juicy. I just, I don't know. I was kind of, this is one of those stories when it came out. I at first was like, oh, good, women get them. But then as a mother of two sons and a woman who's been scorned before.

Yeah. You know, and have scorned. Totally. Both ways. I mean, being realistic about it, I just started thinking, you know, is that, I don't know. Kelly, what's your take on that? I was a young person on the internet. What do you think? I'm kind of not into it. So like, I think it's a dangerous. I think it's kind of bad for all of that to be out there. Like the concept of social credit, you know about that. China does this. There's a black mirror episode on this where like a credit score but it's you as a human online it's like your uber rating yes and i just think that's very dangerous i think someone is evil to everyone in a breakup it doesn't mean that they're evil they're going to be evil to you so i i think it's dangerous but i will say pomps has gotten my

facebook account i gave her the password and she added me to all of the um are we dating the same guy facebook groups i was trying to get in it i creep in them and it's actually very fun to watch and they do catch a married person, they catch a sexual predator, but there's a lot of shit on there that should not be on there. And it makes me kind of feel bad for some of the guys. That's the thing at what cost. I mean, obviously we have, you know, there are predators. And I remember being a young woman and falling prey to bullshit from men. And I'm sure I'm bullshitted, you know. But I don't know. I just am so grateful that when we were younger, I didn't have to navigate adolescence and young adulthood with a smartphone. Same. Same. Totally same. It's just

because this generation is becoming so risk adverse and I certainly understand why because now if this app the T is out there then let's say you know you've this girl's super hot. She's hot and you know great in the sack. One of our boys dates her but then psycho stuff starts and then they're reluctant to break up because she's like, I'm going to put you on the tea. Yes, da, da, da, da, da, da. It can become emotional blackmail. And vice versa. I mean, I think it can go both ways.

Generally speaking, I think men's are more skunky than women when it comes to dating just from my personal experience. But, I mean, I've known some real psychos, and I'm sure I've been psycho a few times. I know I've been psycho a few times. But in my experience, men are act worse than women in this relationship. What about that time you showed up to the strip club? yeah that was psycho why don't you share that with the listener okay so we're this was before i got married which is really tells you how sick and fucked up i was are you engaged to him at this time

or we're living together i don't think we're engaged or living together no no no wait that's a lie we were living together okay but we were not engaged we were just to go to dinner with my mom he said he had to go do a depo in tulsa fine so that was before tracking on the phone and like he called someone else in my law firm to meet for during drinks at a strip bar, but he told me he was going to be late from Tulsa for me to go to dinner just to go ahead and go to dinner. So being a fucking nut that I am, I take my car and I go straight to the strip bar and I park right in front and there was a camera, which was unusual in those days. I mean, this is like 30 years ago. So this was unusual.

Ages ago. And so there's a camera looking down on who's getting in and they won't let me in. And then I start going into all this. It's a free country. you can't keep me out like just making the biggest horses ass of myself so he's sitting in the strip bar watching this on the black and white and he comes out it was a huge fight i let him go to sleep that night and then i poured a big bucket of ice cold water on him while i was asleep what i should have done is pack my shit and left and said peace out but i didn't do that that's what i should have done but yeah which is why i think you and i could teach a seminar on how who not to marry Who not to marry? How to not pick a husband? Yeah. And forks in the road. If we took fork to the right, then you absolutely need to take the fork to the left. Yeah. I agree. I agree. All right. Listen up. We have a guest today on this podcast. But before I introduce her, I do want to tell everybody that you still have time to get the summer's hottest reading book there is on the planet. It's written by none other than Judge Judy, Diana.

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All right. I think she's joined us. Let's welcome Sammy, Sage, our friend to I've Had It podcast. Sammy, welcome to I've had it. We're so happy to have you on. Hi. I am thrilled to be here. I love you guys. And I'm just, I can't wait to tell you what I've had it with. Oh, ooh. Go dive right into it. What have you had it with? Divide right in. Text messaging scams. I am just, do you do you get these a lot? Like I am just so sick of hearing that my, package has been, you know, delayed or hearing that I have a ticket that I'm going to be arrested for not paying or, you know, and I just have to tell you what happened. A few weeks ago, I actually got texted by one of the scammers. He must have been new at the scam factory or something because he accidentally made a text chain with a bunch of other people. So we were all like on it and people were writing back like, oh, you fucked up, you know, like, why are we all on here? you know so it was honestly i'm just tired of getting texts from and having like half of them be from not people that i know it's really picked up lately and i've gotten a lot of scam phone calls

lately like spam or whatever it's just like it's like it's picked up like three and four and five a day now you know what it is trump's america i mean they're just beholden these spammers and these scammers and we blame sammy we blame everything every little thing that happens in our personal lives or in a larger scale to the country, everything. We're like, thanks, Trump. Yeah. Well, you're not wrong. I mean, he's basically made white collar crime not a real thing anymore.

But I do have to say I get a fair amount of these texts from Democratic organizations asking for money. So I don't know. I think it's just, it is Trump's America. It's this obsession with money and max and, you know, exploiting people. and degrading their experience of life at any cost because it costs nothing for them. And for us, it really costs a lot. Totally.

Okay, I want to talk to you about something that I think is super important. I think that you're a good messenger to help navigate through this. So it's the whole Israel-Palestine issue. And when you're like us and you live in Red State, Middle America, you don't really have a whole lot of diversity in your city. you don't really kind of know what the whole thing's about. And what I'm telling you right now, millions of American, even Democrats, don't really know what the whole thing is about. And then you start seeing these images coming out of Palestine. And then you see Benjamin Netanyahu, who just seems to be like a fascist, right-wing, unlikable, smarter version of Donald Trump. But then you're

scared to speak about it because I have Jewish friends. You're Jewish. You're scared to speak about it because you feel like the never is going to be like you're an anti-Semite. And so it feels like everybody's just kind of like stuck and silenced about being able to speak about it. And then I see this Zoran Mamdani who like, oh my God, here's the answer to all of our problems as Democrats right now. This is what we need to do. We need to go left. We need an economic populist message. The whole party's going to get behind him. And then you see Cory Booker and Hakeem Jeffries lollygagg around and they won't even endorse him. And so I just want it, number one, as a Jewish, liberal, progressive person, what is your take on all of this? And what can you tell people,

and this is something the left is going to have to realize a lot of people, Americans are ethnocentric, a lot of people don't give a shit about it. I do. I do. when I see that suffering, but a lot of Americans that live in flyover states are just kind of like, we have starvation here too. And I don't like that, but that is the way we were raised, ethnocentric Americans. So you asked a lot of questions. I'm going to try to answer them all. And please interrupt me because I think there's a lot of pieces to this conversation that have become connected, even though they are not necessarily connected. And I think that first thing, you've identified like a completely clear problem that I think a lot of people

are experiencing. And that's how, you know, I perceive that as being the landscape that's out there. I want to say, I'm not speak, I can't really speak for all, all Jewish people. And I think that that's actually one of the problems, like you said, like most people don't really know what's going on in the Middle East. Most people don't really know many Jewish people at all. They know them by stereotypes. I will say that I am sort of myself kind of a walking, talking Jewish stereotype. And, you know, I don't want to say, you know, I don't want to say that because I don't

know what people are thinking when they say that. But in terms of like the old school, you know, work in media and come from, you know, Long Island and went to summer camp. And my, you know, my family, my grandparents were Holocaust survived. We're in Auschwitz. They actually met in a displaced person's camp. And it's, you know, I sort of have that sort of, you know, average, you know, Jewish, suburban New York, secular upbringing.

But I have an interesting experience. And then I have actually, I actually moved to Israel for almost a year when I, I'm, I was 24. And in that experience, I saw a lot of what, you know, the roots of some of the roots of what's happening now there. And I think a lot of people would assume, oh, I would come out of that experience and be like, oh, like, you don't understand what it's like to live in Israel. And like, it's, you know, it's, that is true.

I think it's a very different environment. But I think, if anything, it gave me more texture for both sides. And it didn't really make me feel like, oh, I'm in the tank for like one perspective or the other. I think that what we have there is like a very unique and nuanced human problem. And I think people want to sort of say, oh, there's no nuance. It's not complicated. And I'm not talking about like what's happening now. I'm talking about the entire conflict.

And I'm guessing that growing up in where you did around a lot of evangelicals, you probably seen a very particular perspective on Jewish people and on Israel. And it's seen through the eyes of evangelicals, which in my view, kind of just like want us all to get there so that they can kill us and have their end times. Let me, this is one of the times I'm going to jump in. Here's the evangelical mindset that we grew up around. they're there's very quick to make Jew jokes white evangelicals they're very quick to be anti-Semitic but also in the same sentence it's oh but our Lord and personal Savior was a Jew and the Jews

need to be in Israel for him to return which I think is a very anti-Semitic dismissive lack of acknowledging people's agency and autonomy but I mean here's the thing Sammy I'm an atheist. So when I start hearing people talk about magical thinking, whether it's the Jews saying they're chosen people and they're supposed to be in Israel, honestly, I think that's kind of fucking crazy. When I hear and I know that a bunch of Jews would be like, oh my God, Jennifer Welch is an anti-Semit, but I'm an atheist. So I think magic foreign policy based on magical thinking is stupid and dangerous. I've never been indoctrinated into any religion. When I hear evangelicals talk about rapture prepping and the Jews being an Israel, I think that's dangerous. I think when we base foreign policy on magical thinking, it harms people and it places a hierarchy of who's better and who's worse and whose lives are more valuable and whose lives are less valuable. And religion categorizes us. And that's what I see at the epicenter of a lot of this conflict right now. I think you're absolutely right. And I think that the problem, part of the problem is that Israel became politicized.

And a lot of that was really due to Netanyahu wanting to kind of play these games where it was like Israel wasn't a question of national security or policy or, you know, an economic question or like a, you know, a democratic human rights type of question. It became about a pot like a political pawn that they used as a cudgel against Obama and playing and, you know, this like politicization of, you know, the Iran deal. But I want to get back to a few things about, you know, talking about the religion. So I have an interesting feeling about religion because having been immersed in it, I really feel a strong separation between organized religion and religious practice and spirituality. And I think that spirituality is something that can cross all religions. And I think that the kind of core tenet of it is what ultimately has. has drawn people to religions in the first place, but it ends up getting corrupted by people

who want to give it structure and turn it into essentially like a high control group. And a business. Yeah. And a business, of course. Where we are, we have major church businesses. Yeah. Right. Of course.

And boycott megachurches. Yeah. It's, but I think that that's an exploitation of like a natural human yearning to feel a part of something maybe that you can't see or like a higher purpose. And I think that that's something that could really only happen in someone's like own mind and own home and their own family. And that's why you see so many people like posturing. And I think that's why like organized religion sort of incentivizes that by making it

so external rather than about like the quiet sort of thing that like, how do you treat other people at the bottom of every religion? they'll all say, oh, the most important thing is like the golden rule, like treat people as you want to be treated, don't treat people as you don't want to be treated. Every religion sort of has that and says that that's like their core, but they don't actually do that because that's not what's rewarded in religious communities. So what I want to jump into right now is as you spoke about like Jewish people are not a monolith and you see protests some in Israel where people are, you know, not in our name and they don't want this war to go on. But you see that this Netanyahu has really the

only bipartisan stuff that I see in the United States Senate Congress right now is support of Israel. And I see how beholden the politicians that I want to have moral clarity like a Cory Booker or Hakeem Jeffries, how they don't fucking have it. So everything that comes out of their mouth, Sammy, everything. I just think is bullshit. I think when Cory Booker goes off about immigrant children getting deported, but he votes to fund, to send bombs to Israel, to a maniac Benjamin Nanyahu, I just think it's so morally depraved. But again, it's a really difficult thing to tiptoe and walk in because everybody feels like they're on eggshells that your Jewish friends are going to say you're anti-Semitic. It's like, I'm not. I know how daunting it must be.

been to grow up with the trauma of the Holocaust. I've been to Doc Al. I've studied this. When I just went, I was in London and I saw cabaret when the guy took off his jacket and it showed that he had a swastika on his arm still to this day. And I'm not Jewish. I was like, oh, like just seeing the swastika just made me go. But then I think this, Sammy, I think, how are the people that this happened to? How are these people doing this? this to Palestinians. And everybody dicks over the Palestinians. I was researching it and it's like Arab countries dick them over, Israel dicks them over, the United States dicks them over. Nobody fights for the Palestinians. And that's who I want to fight for. This progressive atheist woman, I want to

fight for the most marginalized. That's who I want to choose, if we talk about chosen, that's who I want to choose to help are those people. And that's, and I have no spiritual life at all, but I feel a moral calling that those are the people that need us the most. I mean, I completely agree with you. I think that this, the problem is that this has become a politicized and weaponized thing. There are a lot of dynamics as to right now the Palestinians have been exploited and have been pawns for, I would say, at least 15 years of, since about 20 years, since. Once Hamas came into power there, they have been basically used as a pawn between Netanyahu and Iran because Netanyahu has essentially enabled them to stay there because he doesn't want to allow the Palestinian authority.

He doesn't want the West Bank and Gaza to be able to create a Palestinian state. that came that you know came after years of kind of like oh there will we try to do a two state solution but that's where it really broke down and that's where the second intifada and you know there was this degradation within Israeli society and both became radicalized and I think what happened on October 7th was that this people in Israel's became so fearful, like the level of that attack on everywhere made people just feel like their safety was not where they thought it was. And just, I think, really radicalized people. And I think that Netanyahu took advantage of that. Not only that, what he, there were warnings. There were many

warnings that this was going to happen. Yes. Yes. And people say, people in Israel say like, oh, he's the defender. But what I always say to them is like, okay, well, then if this person is your defender, how did they let this happen when it wasn't even really a surprise? And, you know, maybe the day was a surprise. But they knew that they were planning this scale of attack and it was ignored. And I think what you're looking at is sort of just a very classic situation of really bad actors who don't give one shit about the people under their subjugation at this point. It reminds me of Dick Cheney using 9-11 to go into Iraq. I mean, it's the same thing.

Once you get the public scared and think that this is in the interest of national security and a safety, then you can lie to them and then you can go commit war crimes, which the United States did in Iraq. I mean, it's just a complete stain on our country. Right. But it reminds me of that. My feeling on this, and this is kind of what I say to the people in my life

who are more hawkish, how can you get rid of Hamas? You can just make more. Like you just make more people. It's an ideology that you cannot stamp out. And they will even acknowledge this because it aligns with their like biblical ideology that you can't totally get rid of anti-Semitism,

that there will always be people who hate Jews. And I kind of think that's true, but I do think that there are ways for people's opinions to change. And I also think there are social structures within a society. I think in a small, L liberal, small D democratic society, that's where Jews are able to thrive, because that's where you have freedom of religion. And I think what happened in Israel is that you have,

like an increasingly autocratic society. And Hamas, there are even records that Hamas decided to attack on October 7th because of the division, because Beebe had tried to create these judicial reforms so that he could stay in office. So he and his trying to make Israel more anti-democratic so that he could stay out of jail for taking bribes, which seems so quaint at this point. Right. It's like, no, no, literally, it's like cigars and chocolates and like in exchange for like favor

media coverage. It's so, like, 2018. So he is trying to, and Israeli politics are deeply, deeply dysfunctional. He was trying to stay out of, he was trying to stay out of prison and not be tried. And for because of that, you had, because he was threatening to make these constitutional forms, you had so many protests. People were the most against him they've ever been. And you had people threatening to not go to the military, everyone in Israel, has to enroll in the military or in some sort of like state service or they get an exemption if they're studying in yeshiva which is actually the wedge issue that might threaten to collapse bb's coalition in the end if that's even possible um but yeah you have really just

someone who is not acting in the best interests of israelis and i think if you look at what like Mandy Patinkin said, he's kind of saying, and I'm really not on the, you know, I'm not trying to be on the road of like blaming Jews for anti-Semitism. In fact, I think people like really don't listen to Jews when we try to explain what anti-Semitism is, probably because people are so sick of being accused of being anti-Semitic, but they really don't necessarily know the intricacies of it. But yeah, I think what this is is a situation where bad actors are getting covered. from are basically just getting cover from from the situation and don't you think the behavior of the israeli government right now is the biggest growing factor of anti-semitism i mean because i mean i don't see how you could point to anything else right and and many will i mean i don't again i don't want to get into like the victim blaming of it all because i think that that's sort of like I think but I don't think in this instance they're the vizraeli government is not the victim they are propagandist liars perpetrators murderers they're starving people even their own

hostages or when you starve the population then you're starving these hostages that you claim to want back and at the end of the day you speak about a lot of the things because you're a Jewish American and you've had this this experience that you said is is a typical of a Jewish American. What I have to say is, and this is probably painful for Jewish Americans to hear, but why should the American taxpayer care so much about Israel? Like when I drive to rural towns in Oklahoma and I see the living conditions, and now I know that their hospitals are getting closed, and then I think that, okay, in Israel they

have health care. You're able to access all sorts of government assistance. If you're a Jewish person, you want a safe place to live. I'm sure a lot of African Americans would love such an opportunity after years and years and years of oppression by white patriarchal, crusty old men in this country. What a gift. What a privilege it would be to have all of these politicians create a safe space for black Americans. You know, we recently had a kid that worked for us that was shot. And if we're talking about making safe spaces and taxpayers are funding them, why is the Israeli issue more, you know, higher up than everybody else's needs? And so I read that they think they're chosen by God, which brings me back to like, this can't be a foreign

policy, we can't base foreign policy and taxpayer money on magical thinking. Like as a person who's completely secular and you all, you know, you talk about spirituality and all that, great, swing for the fences. When it comes to policy and making decisions that affect people's lives, I think it has to be absolutely secular. And I think magical thinking is so incredibly dangerous. I, well, first I would argue that one of the reasons Israel is so top of mind, is less because of the Jews and more because of the evangelicals. I could do. And of course there is like a strong Israel lobby,

but there's also a strong Saudi Arabia lobby and Qatar lobby. And like I think there's like, you know, we can talk about that. Okay. First thing, the chosen people, that is a bastardization that I think even Jews sort of have misunderstood. Chosen in the context of Judaism is, means chosen to follow the Torah. It's like that it's not like, oh, you're this special people.

It's like you are, you were given the Torah and you're supposed to follow it. It's actually kind of like a hassle if you think about it. It's like it's not like this. It's not supposed to be like we're special. But again, like these things get sort of bastardized through through like secularization. And just the fact that people don't really know that much about. It's true. Yeah.

Yeah. To your point about why, you know, why is Israel so, so important? You know, the point you're making is really like no different than the point I think people make about like, why are we funding Ukraine? The difference is that Netanyahu is not acting quite as the profile and courage that Vladimir Zelensky has acted as. And that I think is a, that wasn't always the case with the American Israel Alliance. And to your point about, you know, how people have a place to go in Israel. I would argue like America should be making reparations of some sort to black people. Like I, you know, whether whether or not it's like payments, there should be like, you know, why aren't there sort of like tax breaks or, or, you know, student loan repayments, perhaps? I think I know the answer to that. Yeah. Racism. Yeah.

And again, like there's, yeah, I think that like the evangelical support has been in America. like it's because america is kind of like a christian nation totally that that the jews are like a good you know you know like they need us for for their own reasons um but for the rapture agree with you that there should be separation of church and state like that should not come into play here but at the end of the day like what has all of this achieved for the Palestinians for jewish people who feel really unsafe in America and I can I think I can maybe like explain that a little bit better so that you maybe don't feel like maybe maybe people will be a little bit more understanding of how like why Jews feel like everything is so anti-Semitic and I think sometimes like people

like overplay it like I know there are people who would think that your point of view is anti-Semitic I really don't believe that I don't feel that you are like I know that you're like you just want everyone to feel, well, fair, you know, everyone to live free, be able to practice their religion and not have another is imposed on them and also not be killed. I think that the situation is the way I see it is somebody who's in the middle of the country and have conversations with other liberals slash progressives in my state that are not, you know, maybe raise Christian light, not evangelical, secular, is number one. one the um it seems to hold the democratic party hostage and if you live in a state like

oklahoma and there's a total abortion ban and um you have uh you're ranked 50th in education you have all these issues right and you're not religious at all and then you start like just hearing you talking about Zionists not Zionist the holy land i'm just like who gives a shit and I know people are like, oh my God, you're Jewish. I'm not. And like the fact that we would base foreign policy off of God telling a group of people that you get to have this piece of land, I'm sorry, I think that's crazy. But I'm an equal opportunity critic of all of this.

I think Sharia law is crazy. I think Christian nationalism is crazy. I think any time we integrate religion into decision making, particularly when militaries are involved in that. It's reckless and dangerous. And I think it's Iron Age thinking in a modern world. As a secular person, I always hear people that have to somehow pretzel themselves back to Iron Age thinking and books that were written two or four thousand years ago. And my more explaining, explaining why people do believe this. And your point is the real one. I don't really understand why we're making foreign policy based on that.

either the issue is that it our government is corrupted by religious nationalist interests overall and it's not a democrat or a republican problem it is and you know it's like an oligarchic problem it's like this set of people who are who are influential and wealthy and get to make decisions on a transnational level that is these are the interests that we're kind of stuck with and And, you know, the, do any of these people give a shit about like the starving Ghazans? No, they don't. They use them as pawns. They use them as like, you know, to engagement farm and to like polarize people and to stir up hatred.

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So anybody not feeling safe because of their skin color. or because of their religion is something as a progressive I want to advocate against. But that same empathy, the same thought track that I have for the Black mother, that I have for any Jewish American on a college campus or anywhere, that same compassion also goes to Palestine. And that's where I think people get frustrated with some of the voices in Jewish spaces because there is you get policed. Lack of empathy. Yeah. I'm with you on that and I think that that is a problem that plagues a lot of, a lot of issues. Like I think about this with like the trans issue all the

time. It's like if you really believe that these kids have some sort of like mental illness and they're like so wayward, it's like, well, then why do you treat them like shit? Right. Why do you, why are you so mean to them? It's like there's this lack of empathy and it's like this sort of of like giddiness at at spurning like about the value of life and what i think is that that is very antithetical to judaism and jewish practice and it's like you know that and it kind of kills me when you know people bring up like oh the hot what about the hostages it's like yeah netting yah who didn't give a fuck about the hostages from day one it's like he doesn't give a fuck about them now talk to me basically any hostage family they will all tell you

you that they don't care about them so it's like how can you possibly like yell at the you know the random american online who's like doesn't put the hostages front of mind when like the leader of the jews doesn't it's it i completely am with you and it to me it physically hurts me when i read comments from you know ben govier and smotech like i like i'm like yeah it physically hurts me and that's where i come from too where i'm like where i feel the same thing same as you. It's like even if, you know, I'm not privy to the, you know, the Israeli military secrets, but I do know that I wouldn't ignore warnings of such an attack so that I could keep myself in power because, you know, I think that I can now use this as a weapon.

If I actually cared about life, anyone's, I would try to prevent that and not, you know, warmonger further in a land grab. And it does put the Jews in jeopardy. And it's just, I think what people want and maybe I hope that I, you know, I don't know if I can say this for all people, but I think it's, I think you, the hardest thing for Jewish people is that there's this like lack of listening about what it actually, like, why they, why we feel, quote unquote, unsafe. And it's that there are so many people who do confuse or. a purposely confound Israel and what the Israeli government's doing as with just all Jews as being representative of all Jews. And that that is, you know, and that us, you know, advocating for ourselves or trying to explain is somehow like diminishing what's happening to the Palestinians when like the

place I'm always coming from is like, how would we like it if that happened to us? And I'll say like, when i went when i lived in israel i had many formative experiences on both sort of ends of the spectrum that um you know between you know between calisinians and israelis that made me just feel like how would you each like it you know kind of was my was my feeling um and it was very was very eye opening because you know both advocates for both sides will sort of like fire things at each you know points at each other and it's like yeah you're all right and none of you are trying to actually come up with a solution so yeah yeah I just I think I follow you obviously we've been on your podcast and I follow you on Instagram and you do some really good um takes on this and I think

that credible messengers are really important especially right now and I think like like Andy Bershear and that James Tala Rico, they're good talking to Christians about Christian nationalism. The atheist white lady in Oklahoma, I have not a credible messenger. The same goes for this situation. And I think, you know, John Stewart spoke out recently and it's very poignant things to say. And you, if you don't, listen, if you don't follow Sammy, follow her because she really covers this objectively. And it shows you that any sort of thinking that we have, the sentences start with, oh, the Jews, blah, blah, blah, and you lump people together is the same thing as lumping any other group of people together. They're not a monolith because

I think when this originally all first started happening, I was skeptical to speak out on it because I do have a lot of Jewish friends. And quite frankly, there are a lot of my very favorite people. And politically, I've always in Oklahoma, you've got these right-wing Christian nationalists and the Jewish people in our state have always, you know, supported progressive causes, supported a woman's right to choose, been huge allies for the LGBTQ plus community, much more humane and empathetic people than all of the evangelicals. I grew up around. We're really, truly some of the cruelest people. I mean, always told me I was going to hell, always trying to convert me. Jewish people in my lives were like, we don't even believe in hell. And I was

like, oh, I like that. We don't have to recruit anybody. I was like, oh, I like that. And so I think that there is a time right now where probably Jews are going to feel uncomfortable and some of that discomfort is warranted because of what when injustice is exposed, it's uncomfortable. But then there's also a safety issue where, you know, I've seen firsthand and been in white wasp circles a lot, where I hear racist stuff, where I hear anti-Semitic stuff. I've heard it my whole life, Sammy. And I could go into a country club right now and I'd hear that stuff.

And so I just think you're a really good voice. And I want to amplify that there are people that are Jewish that see the same thing that everybody else sees and connect our sense of humanity. And when we all see human suffering, Jewish people see it too. and it must be a double-edged sword because a lot of people think, you know, uninformed Americans or people on the global stage think you're responsible for this simply because you're Jewish and that's just simply not the case. It is that would be like saying I was just, I was just in Europe that I'm responsible

for alligator alcatraz just because I'm American and I don't want, I completely disapprove of everything that MAGA does, but I am an American. There's nothing I can do about that. Exactly. I think it's, I know this because a lot of people come to me and say, you know, thank you for for speaking this way. Like I agree with you. It's hard to articulate because there's really no, it doesn't feel good. It feels really easy to just be like I'm super all in on this side or I'm super all in on this side. And just to see things very like black and white and not. you know, sort of just ignore the, the pieces of the argument that that don't like jive with your side. And I, I think that it's like, I'm, I kind of am inspired to care about politics and to care about, you know, progressive ideals by my Judaism, by the fact that, you know, we want to heal people. You know, we want equality. We want freedom. Like, I know that it's also a matter

of like Jewish safety to live in a free society, I think a lot of people don't really necessarily understand that. And I really appreciate you seeing that. And I want to encourage more people to kind of be able to just come forward and talk in a like a space where you maybe don't have to like know everything or defend everything or not our, you know, not everything has to be this ultimate defense or criticism. Like you can just try to share your experience. And And I think the more, like, there's not enough voices in this sort of middle, rational space that, and I wish that there were, because the only, Palestinians are not getting less hungry because people are fighting for them online. Like, it's just not, it hasn't happened. And I think that it, I just think a lot of this is really misguided.

A lot of what is misguided? a lot of the like online fighting like that's not actually i i disagree i think that when you see injustice and and i think a lot of i don't think like calling it out i mean like yelling at jews calling you like a zio or is what is that what does that achieve i completely i think you have to keep your eye on the ball and you have to keep your eye on the israeli government and it's the same thing that happened during the George W. Bush administration into the March in Iraq and Abu Ghraib and all of that. I didn't vote for him. I didn't vote for him two different times. I thought the whole thing, they attacked the wrong country and there were all of us waving our arms saying, no, not in our

name. No, not this, not this. And I think it's important that we find our aligned and common humanity in this. And I want to leave you and our listener with this. So Oklahoma, very homogenous state, live in. I did have, you know, because I was a Democrat, I am a Democrat, end up at these political fundraisers. I met some fabulous Jewish people that were politically aligned with me. But probably about six months ago I was playing tennis with a girl that I played tennis with some. And she kind of has really pretty like Mediterranean skin, dark hair. And I said, where, where's your background? Like, where are you from? And she said, oh, I'm Palestinian. And I just grabbed her hand because you don't meet many Palestinians in Oklahoma, and I grabbed her hand, and I said, I am so

sorry about what's happening in your country. And she started sobbing. And she said, you're the only person in this entire city that is acknowledged to me that this would be painful. And I just, I can't thank you enough for showing me compassion. And because she has family over there. And, you know, her childhood memories of you going to Israel. She has memories of going to Palestine. And so, you know, people underestimate how much of a like personal familial tie there are between Palestinians here and in Palestine and Jews here and in Israel. I think it's like not understood.

But to what you're saying, like think about how much more that does for someone. or anyone, then all the yelling at Jews online could never do. And I think if people center their efforts around compassion, around understanding, that will, you know, my feeling is that like that will be effective. Although, unfortunately, I've come to feel that like there's nothing that I can personally do, which is very, very painful and truly, like, miserable, honestly. Honestly, Sammy, we have to go soon, but I do think you speaking. And I think, again, back to the credible messenger, it is the best thing that you can do for

Jewish people to help promote Jewish safety is to say, look, I am a Jewish person. I oppose what this government is doing. It's simple. You know, we can get into history and all of those things. But for me, when I heard John Stewart, when I heard the guy from Homeland, I can't remember his name, but I just know him as. Yes, him. Saul. And you, when I hear that, I'm immediately reminded, this is exactly how I feel about alligator alcatraz.

I oppose it every ounce of my DNA oppose it. So I think the best thing that you can do is come on to spaces like this. We have obviously a very progressive listenership that you have 100% in common with. Compassion, empathy, empathy, human rights, social justice, LGBTQ rights, women's rights, Jewish safety, Palestinian safety. And I think it's so important. And it was why I really, really wanted to have a longer episode and have you on to remind people that there are many, many victims of fascist governments. And even the people that fascist governments say they're trying

to keep safe are often victims of those governments. And so I can't thank you enough for coming on. I think it's uncomfortable, but I think we all have to talk about this because it is really captivating American politics right now. And it's just wrong what we're seeing. Thank you. I mean, thank you for having me. I'm happy to, you know, try to elucidate to the extent. I can. And, you know, I hope I didn't say anything that, you know, comes across misunderstood or, you know, offend to anyone. I'm, you know, I'm happy to talk about it and like your feedback because I feel like the only way that you're going to come to a broader understanding. I agree. I completely agree. And I think it's, I think it's just, I think that's what the spaces are made for podcasting.

I agree. They're made to have to have these types of conversations where, we learn about each other from each other. I agree. Sammy, you know we love you. M-a. All right. Have a great day. And we'll thank so much for coming on and we'll text you next time we're in New York.

I think that's a really brave thing that she's doing. I think it's just incredibly brave because it would be that it's such a powder keg, this whole issue right now. And, you know, you would just kind of want to stick your, you know, are just like, I just want to stay out of public. Everybody's so riled up about this. And there are many, many progressive Jews that oppose with everything in them, all of this bullshit and war crimes and genocide that Benjamin Netanyahu is doing. And it would be a very uncomfortable space to be sitting in. So I think her messaging is so important. I think it's so important. And she leads with

empathy for everybody. And I think that's what we're missing in the United States and in Israel. and I think it is so important to make the distinction between the government of Israel and the people. And they're different, you know, they're just as radicalized over there as we are here. And the lack of empathy here and the difference between a Christian nationalist and being raw raw for alligator alcatraz and then being a liberal person. I mean, it all boils down to empathy when I see it. Like these corrupt governments, they're all about. money and oligarchy, lack of empathy, across the board. Yeah, I agree. All right. Thanks for tuning in for our long, extended podcast today. Pumps tell them. We will see you next Tuesday and

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