I've Had It - This is a Bad Idea, But...

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

Jennifer and Pumps kick off today's episode with their latest petty grievances. Jennifer calls out Pumps for an insanely over-the-top kids' birthday party she threw that included live farm animals and a clown they affectionately nicknamed "Chester the Molester." Later on, Emmy award-winning tv host Tamron Hall joins the girls to discuss what she's had it with and how her pet bird continuously tries to murder her toddler. NEW MERCH IS NOW AVAILABLE at https://ivehadit.store Come see I've Had It live on the Hot Sh*t Tour! More info & tickets available at https://linktr.ee/ivehaditpodcast and subscribe to I've Had It wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you to our sponsors: ASPCA Pet Health Insurance: To explore coverage, visit http://ASPCApetinsurance.com/HADIT *This is a Paid Advertisement. Insurance is underwritten by either Independence American Insurance Company or United States Fire Insurance Company, and produced by PTZ Insurance Agency, Limited. The ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp: Learn to make time for what makes you happy, with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/HADIT today to get 10% off your first month. Magic Spoon: Go to magicspoon.com/HADIT to grab a variety pack and try it today! And be sure to use our promo code HADIT at checkout to save five dollars off your order! Subscribe to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/IveHadItPodcast Follow Us: I've Had It Podcast: @Ivehaditpodcast Jennifer Welch: @mizzwelch Angie "Pumps" Sullivan: @pumpspumpspump Special Guest: Tamron Hall: @tamronhall

So we supposed to start the podcast. Ready, one, two, three. Nailed it. So happy. That smug face when you do a good clap is one of my favorite facial expressions that you make. Yeah, I get so excited.

I know. And it's had some abysmal efforts of light. It's the little things. The small things. Yeah. Everyone makes me happy. That's right. And it's a good thing. The small things. Yeah. Everyone makes me happy. That's right. And it's a good thing. That's right. Pumps, what have you had it with? Okay, what I have fucking had it with. Who? Is automated customer service. Oh,

it's the worst. How would not discuss this? We've discussed all kinds of customer service, but I had an ideal happen last night. I ordered groceries to be delivered. Uh, they were going to be delivered by six, then they sent me a text by seven. If that doesn't work for you, then call this number. So then at nine o'clock, they said they'll be delivered between 11 and midnight. And so I finally have to call the number and be like, dude, like, I'm not going to be able to put my groceries up, so they're gonna have to come tomorrow.

So I call the number, I go through 27 prompts, and then the automated system says, tell us what your problem is, like reschedule delivery. I'm sorry, we didn't understand. Please tell us what the problem is. So then I just start saying- Representative. Representative, well then they disconnect me.

Yeah. So I have to go through the whole circle jerk again. Yeah. Finally I just start saying, you told me to call you. I'm calling you because you told me to. Yeah. Anyway, I finally got it. It was a pain in the ass.

I was on the phone for six minutes the second time. But I've just fucking had it with automated customer service. That's no service. And another thing, and this is just an aside, sometimes when you're waiting from talking to the robot to a live person, the music is totally bush. Oh, it's awful. Can we get some good music?

Yes, it's like shrill. We just had to talk to a robot for 30 painstaking minutes. Yes. Screaming, resting heart rate is going up. You know, just a lot of added stress to what should just be a normal routine phone call. And then you put on this C team at best music. Could we get some Beyonce?

Could we get something? A little bit more upbeat? But the music then just exacerbates the bad mood and I've completely had it. Had it. We just like, I just want somebody to answer the phone and say, what's your problem? We talk about it for 10 seconds, then the problem solved and we move on down the road. You know, recently I had to call a customer service department and a live human being answered it and I presented what my problem was. They helped me troubleshoot it.

And at the end of the call, I was so happy that I said to the customer service rep, I want to take a moment here and say, thank you so much for answering the phone and helping me troubleshoot this problem. I think it was a wifi, wasn't it? Kylie, when we're up here on like a Saturday, yes. And you were pleasant. You were wonderful. It makes me feel happy to pay this company money because you all had the decency to have a live human being speak to me. I didn't have to hear wretched music or talk to an incompetent robot. I completely agree. It makes your experience better. And then they had the audacity after my 47 different problems and robots and music and all that crap to say,

do you want to take a survey? Had it not been so late, because it was like night after night at this point, I would have taken that survey and I would have flayed their asses. But luckily for them, I was too fucking tired. You love to take a survey. I love to get on the survey and just let it all hang out.

That's just, I mean, that's just where a Karen like you just, I thrive in a survey format. It's just, you can just rage in the survey. Yeah, I do love my political survey. Yeah, I'm not a big survey taker. I just love to just put my little two cents in. Well, let me tell you what I've had it with. Okay. This pertains to Josh, my husband. A limited quantity of had-its. I've had it with the husband hijack of the woman's purse. What I'm talking about is not him carrying my purses. I'm talking about when we go to an event or an outing.

And I have downsized to a cute evening size bag, okay? And I have credit cards, nicotine gum, maybe some sunglasses. And that's just about all I can fit in there. Right. Josh will then hand me this laundry list of things that I need to put in my cute little purse that then makes it kind of like bulge out. Right. And it's like he's got sunglasses, eyeglasses, and he used to dip skull. So listener, like in the South, men would dip

of Josh's age would dip chewing tobacco. And so he used to dip chewing tobacco. He no longer does that anymore. And he has these little packets that he puts in his mouth, nicotine packets called snooze. So they're snooze packets. They're eyeglass cleaning. He has individually wrapped eyeglass cleaning things,

keys, his wallet. So the other night we go to, and finally I'm just like, okay, and I put it all in there, my purse is bulging, it just completely ruins everything. And then he starts laughing, he thinks it's hilarious that I'm so put out. Well, we're at Roman's basketball game.

And right as they're introducing the starting lineup, Josh just hand me my snooze. And so not only do like, am I like all of a sudden like, just like at his back and call with the items that he needs, he's trying to deprive me of applauding for my child as he's announced in the starting lineup. So I just sat there and I thought, I'm not giving it to him right now.

I'm gonna clap for my child. Because my child is important to me. And his introduction is important to me. Yeah, so then he just escalates. If Josh's needs aren't met immediately, it is like- A toddler. Yes.

And so, and then now he likes to do. So now we have, we add the narration to it, right? You know, it narrates everything. So my dad's sitting next to us. So I was like, Hey, him with that snooze, ignoring a clapper Roman, then I reach over and I start fumbling through my purse, trying to locate the snooze among the other 15 items that he had me stow in my purse. You have three items.

He has 15 items. And then Josh says to my dad, yeah, Jennifer gets so irritated with me because I have her keep all of these things in the purse. See, look at her. See, look at how irritated she is. See, did you find it? Oh, yep, here it is.

Here's my snooze. So we're narrating. So not only have we hijacked the purse, we're narrating the torture that I'm going through where it's like right now, if I could just suffer in silence, that's the one consolation prize that you could give me here. But the fact that you're narrating the torture on top of it, it was just like twisting the knife even more. But I bet a lot of women out there can relate. Absolutely. Where the husband, you're going into some event and then they have all of their little items, their phones, all this stuff they want

to put in your purse and then they need their little items and then you have to get it for them. And I just think men need to carry their own purses. I agree. Loud and proud. Absolutely. I support it. Josh has like backpacks that he carries, but if we're going to like an event

where they don't allow a large bag, then my stuff gets hijacked. And I just think then he needs to get a little purse. I agree. I was just sitting here thinking, if anybody on the planet would love carrying a small little man purse, it would be Josh. I want to advocate for man purses across the board. I just want to, I just want, I don't even want to put a gender on it. I want to advocate for purses for people.

Everybody carry your own shit. Purses for people. Let's normalize purses for people. All people. Right, I agree. All genders, all sexual identities. Get your own purse, carry your own shit, don't burden other people with your shit. Completely agree.

And I want- Complete autonomy when you have your own purse. We should start getting kids to carry purses. Purses for people, including kids. We can put an asterisk. Right. Including kids. We should start a pur to carry purses. Purses for people, including kids. We can put an asterisk, including kids. We should start a purses for kids line. A fucking Stanley cup has a purse. Why can't Josh have a purse?

Right. I mean, if it's good enough for Stanley, it should be good enough for Josh. But I do want to commend you on one thing. We've been traveling a bunch and I knew this about you, but I kind of forget. See, I carry the same purse 24-7, 365. And then at some point during those 365 days,

I might put it in an identical purse, but just a different color. It never occurs to me to change my purse. You are extremely good about purse changes. Thank you. You do really, I mean, even a little bag, a big bag, a different outfit bag, you do really, really good. So for him to hijack it, it's even worse.

Thank you. Because you really put a lot of time and you do a great job of it. Thank you. You wanna go on some more? No, thank you very much. I like my purses. I like my stuff in my purse.

I don't mind one item. Right. But I have had it with the hijacking of my purse, which then makes me have to get items for him. Right. And while I'm getting items, we have the narration. And I wanna advocate for all of society, purses for people.

Take the gender out of it, take everybody carry their own shit, everybody have their own purse. That's a great idea. I do not have a purse. Say you're part of the problem. That's why you're always losing your hotel key. You have nowhere to put it.

Anna's my bag lady. I am Josh. You're Josh. It's kind of your Tony Hale, Josh's Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Right, yeah. You're his bag lady. Yes, and I wanna be the veep.

I wanna be. You deserve to be the veep. Yeah. Does Anna get frustrated with you about it? I don't think so. I mean, not yet. Not yet, not yet, because it's not yet. It's still young love. They just took a lesbian Valentine's Day photo shoot.

Right. So we're still in the peak love where you're delighted to have your lovers things in your purse. Let me carry your purse items for you. Oh, it's a pleasure. It's a pleasure. You feel more bonded that your stuff is touching each other. Josh and I are way past that. I don't want our phones touching.

I don't want his stuff contaminating my stuff. I don't want the narration, but I appreciate, enjoy it, Kylie. That's some of the peak relationship time right there. Welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie. Tell the listener what we like to call the podcast. Girl, please.

So, Anna, is she happy? Is it her pleasure to carry your stuff? I don't know if it's her pleasure. I'm going to ask her to start saying that though while it's young love, while it's young hands. It's my pleasure. I would really appreciate that. If my purse is really big, I don't mind so much.

Right. And let me just explain this to you. Josh is a man of needs. Oh my gosh, his needs are so high. But listener, I have to tell you, I do love that man. You have to. This is just relationship shit. This is just stuff that relationships are made of.

Like you get, you go through the phase where you're in love and hardly anything, they do bothers you. And then you get to the real relationship. You get to the nut cutting. And sometimes the net cutting makes you want to cut nuts but I don't do that pumps because I'm on the high road at all times. Always. Where is she? Up here. Up on the high road. You might have to bring me a blanket. I'm gonna get so cold on the high road. Yeah. Okay I've got some

reviews and some comments for you. Okay. This is a five star review titled can't have enough. First and foremost, my apologies for the delay. Jen called out a few of us listeners for not leaving a five star review. I have not been able to because I use Amazon to listen to your podcast, but do not worry. I logged into pumps, apple ID, so that I could come here and leave you this five star review. It's a great idea.

Good for them. Good for them. I was wondering why a lot of our five stars were from Pumps, Pumps, Pumps. Yeah. Right, now we know. Yeah. I gave out my password. All right, now some hate comments. Okay. Oh, good.

So Joyce commented on Facebook and she wrote, are people still paying attention to these old grannies? In which one of our listeners responded, obviously, since you're here leaving this comment. Oh, I like that. Joyce is kind of a granny name. Yeah, Joyce. That's a generation where you know that Joyce is a granny.

I want to point out that Facebook tells you when someone is a top fan and Joyce is a top fan on our Facebook account. She's a hate listener. She's a top troller. Yeah, top fan. God, this whole Facebook thing just opens up a whole, I forget.

It did, last night I just laid in bed and was like, I have not dug in enough on Facebook. Okay, what's the overwhelming vibe of the comments on Facebook? Do they hate us, like us, or mixed? Really depends what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah, like when you attack the mothers,

when you attack older people, people that are on Facebook, it really shows. They go bananas. They go bananas. What about when we attack Donald J. Trump? I don't put that on Facebook. Oh, that's smart, Kylie. It's curated a little bit.

Oh, it's curated. We could do an experiment. I'll post one and see what happens. It really, it's curated. We can do an experiment. I'll post one and see what happens. It really be kind of fun. I'll do that today. They will lose their mind. Yeah, do that today and report back. And watch and let's all see what happens.

Oh, it'll just be live, laugh, love, Bible verse. You all are horrible, terrible people. I hope you die. It'll be a self-like trigger city. Trigger city. All right, Kylie, what else hope you die. It helps like trigger city. Trigger city. All right, Kylie, what else do you have for us? So Seth picked out a couple of articles

pertaining to baby names. Okay. Some problems people are having. So this one's titled, I hate my baby's name. It's so terrible I can't bring myself to say it. So she said, after 13 hours of labor, our baby boy came into the world. I was drugged up, relaxing, and trying to recover.

When it turns out my husband bulldozed it, went, and put the name, even though they hadn't agreed on it. So she gets the birth certificate back to sign. And when I did, I saw his name was Chad Bo Smith. I had no say whatsoever. Now it's been a month, I've been avoiding saying his name. I call him baby Bo, Boo, baby. I can't bring myself to call this baby Chad.

I also didn't post anything on social media because I hate the name. I also feel like I'm disconnecting from this relationship because after all that my husband had watched me go through I felt that I didn't matter. Am I overreacting? I have a two-part answer for that. I think overreacting about the Chad name like if you don't like it just go change it. It's not that hard to go to the DMB and just change the birth certificate with a young child like that. So not posting about your birth because you're so mad about the name,

maybe an overreaction. The second husband putting the name on the birth certificate without talking to her, that's bullshit. And that's probably not the only thing he's doing. She doesn't know anything about and that he doesn't care what she thinks about. I think that's a red flag. Yeah, and I do think when she got the birth certificate back,

here's the thing is, shouldn't this woman have addressed it right then and there instead of being an after the fact victim of her husband on the internet? Like why does it matter what everybody else thinks if she's overreacting, where if the name is not good enough for her and she didn't like it, why not say, hey, you fucking bamboozled me.

I was strung out on drugs. I just pushed his baby out. I'm not calling my kid Chad, full stop, we're gonna change the name. But instead, she can't say the baby's name. We have all of these symptoms because of her inability to advocate for herself. And then, then always it ends up on Reddit. Then inevitably it ends up on, of course, a podcast like ours.

But I think the larger lesson here is advocate for yourself. Absolutely. You just push the baby out. You pick the baby name for your husband, Dick, you're over on that say tough titties. We're not calling him Chad. I think it's a dumb name, and I'm changing the name to Bo, you can pick the middle name, and then we're moving on down the road. But

all of the, I can't call the baby his name, I can't post a picture of my baby. I don't think Chad's a bad name. Oh Chad's awful. It's like a stereotype now. Oh it is, like a Chad. He's like a bro. I just, every time I think of Chad's, I It's like a stereotype now. Oh it is like a Chad. He's like a bro. I just every time I think of Chad's I think about the 2000 election. Yeah I do too that's exactly what I thought. The hanging Chad. Yeah Florida. Yeah Kylie you're probably not born. What year? 2000. I was born. Bush V Gore. I was five. Five. You're in kindergarten. Yeah not to brag but I am I am much, much, much younger than I am.

I know you are. You're much younger than us. All right, do we have anything else? That's it. All right, so let's move along to the guest portion of this episode. Pumps we have today, an Emmy Award-winning television host and executive producer. I'm so excited to meet her. I really like her on TV.

All right, let's welcome to I've Had It podcast, Tamron Hall. Do you suffer from having a parasocial relationship with two barely competent middle-aged women? If so, please go to I've Had It podcast.com or to any social media site I'm talking ex, formerly Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, et cetera, and click the link in bio. And come see us at the Hot Shit Tour,

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Well, Tamron, I don't know if you know what we like to traffic in over here at this podcast. Well, I know. And I love it. We like to be petty grievance warriors here and kind of get off our chest all of the stuff that we've had it with. So can you tell us what you've had it with?

I've had it with excuses of why something didn't get done. That's a great one. We haven't talked about that. That is an fantastic. That is a fantastic had it right there. The excuses for not getting something done. I am so much more receptive if I say, hey, did you get that done? And the person looks me straight

in the face and says, I completely forgot my bad. I'm gonna get on it right now. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. But when that's, well, I was running late and then my mom called and then this happened and then that happened instead of just owning your mistake, because we all make them. And I think we all give grace so much easier if it's rooted in honesty, but the excuses are infuriating. You know, it's for me a couple of things. In fact, we have an upcoming show

on how busy is the new humble brag. And it's the whole show on it. And there's another term it's a whole show on it. And there's another term. It's called action addiction, where you feel like you have to be busy, busy, busy all the time. And so what I feel, it's the desire to want to appear so busy that you don't do the things that need to be done.

And so for me, if you have the discipline of priority and order, if you have the discipline of ownership when a mistake is made, whether you are the receiver of the mistake or you are the person whose mistake is causing things to run into a muck, I think that's so important. I am trying myself to be quite honest with you,

it's to put busy to the side and put prioritizing things up front. I also think people need to stop narrating that they're busy. If you're busy, you shouldn't have time to narrate it. You're too busy doing your things to brag about it, to flex about it or talk about it. We've even done an episode on it.

We call them the faux busy braggers. I, listen, we have a woman coming up as a guest. She's a mom. And my heart went out to her because she found herself lying about being busy to keep up. I know it sounds crazy, to keep up with her other mom friends. Right. She felt that she didn't have enough on her calendar.

And so when people would have lunch together, everyone's saying, I've got this. I've got this. And she felt like the loser when in fact she was just managing her time effectively or maybe not over-schaduling herself and her kid. But it played such a mind trick on her. And while we are so obsessed with keeping up with the Joneses,

as they used to say. She felt the need to lie about her schedule because having a schedule that was reasonable wasn't good enough. She felt in her circle of friends. That's crazy. I'm kind of the opposite when my kids were little. Like if we were around a group of moms and the mom would say, oh, you know, my child doesn't watch TV and we sit on the floor and play puzzles and we do homeschool. And I just would think to myself, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like I can't get my kid in front of the TV fast enough.

Like I need a way for my kid. My kid does better if we're not together all the time. But you see this whole culture of, well, my kid's the smartest kid or my kid's the best athlete. And it's kind of like as they get older, the one that's selling you their kid all the time, you know from your kid that their kid's not the best person to be around. They may be the most high achieving, but they're not that nice of a person. Okay. Before we had you on, we were emailing with you and here's some

things that's been a couple weeks. So I want to refresh your mind of what was irritating you a couple weeks ago because I related to all of these Tamron. The first one is if I responded to you by saying, I hear you, but maybe you should try again. That I hear you butt part. I will shut down. I don't like it because if you're having a conversation with me, I know you can hear me. And I figure you're going to say something back, right? You're going to say, yeah, well, when, you know, Skippy went to second grade, I found

this work. Not I hear you, but it's like, it's a weird HR pivot that people somehow have adopted or adapted into normal conversation. It's also a HR pivot. It is, it's an HR thing. And that clearly means we've all been in HR for some reason. And we cannot back that another day that we all know this line.

But I think it's much like, you know, I've interviewed people for 30 years and I can always tell when someone says, well, can I just say something? And I say, well, the time you spent to tell me, can I just say something you could have said it? So that means you're in time. So that means you're stalling.

That's a stall. Can I just get a word in? Well, you just, can I just get a word? You just did. Yes, that's a great point, Tamron. That is a great point. It's a stall tactic. Do you think that I hear you when somebody says that,

is it, to me, sometimes I feel like it's kind of dismissive? It's a, to me, at Eliset. It's a weird thing that's at least it's a weird thing that's in the culture. I get how it uses it as a pivot. I don't think people mean it in most cases to be malicious. I do think some people are dismissive when they say that. But for the most part,

I think it's like my mother, when I was a journalist in Texas, you know, the anchors would toss to me and I'd go, hey guys, I'm out in front of, you know, the Texas State Fair, you won't believe the line. And my mom would call and go, they're not guys. Me and Chills are women. Why are you saying hey guys?

And I would say, mom, that's just how, you know, she's from a different generation. She's like, no, that's a woman in a man. Hey guys. And she thought it was too casual and cavalier. I think it's just a casual way of having a conversation that to me is annoying. It's just a casual way of having a conversation that to me is, uh, is annoying. It's just annoying.

Okay. Here's another one that, uh, Pumps and I've been friends for well over 20 years. And here's one that we've said to each other multiple times. And it is, I know this is a bad idea, but it drives me crazy. It drives me crazy. I have to tell you, Tamron, we are total offenders. One time we were conducting a reconnaissance trip on her ex-husband. And she said, I know this is a bad idea, but will you go stake out his office with me?

And we can back into this parking lot across the street and see what's going on. And I'm like, that's a, not only is that a bad idea, I think it's a great idea. It's so bad it's good. That's right. It's so bad it's good. That's right.

Nobody, we're one of these people, we both can rile each other up into bad ideas and we'll start it with, I know this is a bad idea. We laugh and kind of marvel at it now, because we think, God, one of us could have talked the other one off the ledge, but we didn't, we doubled down on the other person's crazy. Oh, no, and I have a dear friend, Georgia Foy,

who is in Texas right now, and we have very similar stories. The difference is neither of us started out with, I know it's a bad idea. Yeah, and we have a couple that involved a, I am for all of my friends, I think they would universally say, I am the 3 a.m. call, I'm the get or done call. And I'm gonna do the recon work,

I'm gonna find password, whatever we need to do. I'm the person. And that's why'm gonna find password, whatever we need to do, I'm that person. And that's why it's funny that I went into crime reporting and investigative journalism because that is my sweet spot. But yes, going to the court, the reason why it's annoying for me, I find that, if I can just be very honest, and we are in an honest space here,

that women leaders do it more often than men. And I think it's a way of shrinking ourselves down or being afraid of being told that it's not a good idea. And it's something that I've talked to a lot of the young women that I mentor. I think it's a self-deprecating tool that buffers someone believing that the idea is not great. So I love that example that you gave in personal life in its fun, but when I'm in a work environment and a brilliant woman, you know, says to me, I know this is a bad idea, but you know, I know that's a great, you're exactly right. It is. You're the leader of this team. You are, you know, and I, and I don't want other women to, especially in my, in my, on my show to accept that as a way, as a way we have to communicate. You don't have to go and say,

I know this is a bad idea. It's a think tank, right? And I don't see a lot of men, and I have not seen a lot of you, right? Lead with, I know this is a bad idea. I think it's internal, I think we all suffer from, we're Gen Xers, and I think that we all suffer from a little bit of internalized misogyny and sexism from being raised to where women are hard on themselves even. And we even, in our subconscious words and behaviors, we become deferential. And it's something like the whole idea

of eternalized misogyny and internalized sexism that I'm very interested in because I definitely see it with my parents' generations. And then I definitely see it in me some and I'm trying to be better, but I think this is a prime example of how we can, it's a way to kind of, especially if you're at a table with men, it's a way to kind of, especially if you're at a table with men,

it's a way that you think you're deferring to their ego by going ahead and taking the ball and demeaning yourself a little bit. And I've probably done this multiple times. I run a business and I think this is a really important conversation to have around women and the words we choose and talk about ways to modernize and whatever that modernizing looks like, I think it talks about, you know, finding our positioning more

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Hit It. She's just made the first black woman to get a country music song at number one. Yes, and you're both from Texas, which I think is really cool. We're both Virgos. Yeah, we're men of color. Yes. No, she's a queen. She I mean, that's why they call her queen

B because she is a queen. I mean like nobody can do what she does. No, no, I don't think anyone can and I think that the country music genre which obviously Included people of color long before this moment. That's right And it's it's fun to see I'm a country music fan because I have to tell you, some of the most badass women in the world have been country music singers, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton. And so it doesn't matter your race or where you're from,

those are just universally, if you put those people's pictures up, the world says, that's a badass woman. Crystal Gay. Why does that make me cry? Tammy, why not? It goes on and on. Tamron, what did you think about Dolly Parton

in the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader uniform at 80 Years Old? She fucking killed it. Jesus wept that day. He was just gonna tell you. Cause that greatness came out there on that stage. I've had a chance to interview Dolly many times. She gave me the best advice before any show, pee and pray. And I'm going to tell you that moment was absolutely like that's that's it's not goals because of the physicality of it because she looks good and she's admitted that she's had support and work and all that.

because you don't let anyone limit you. And as women, and as I'm now over 50, it's a work in progress every day to allow yourself, whether you're a mom or not, because my motherhood and my womanhood are not the same. They're two different journeys for me. But having this ability to step out on faith and out of the box is why I think it was a collective. Like, whoa, like she truly doesn't care.

She's gonna get out there and have fun and her smile. That's the vibe that I enjoy. And those are the kind of folks that inspire me and the people that I like to share company with. Absolutely. Same, and I just really admire that she speaks her mind and stands up for what she believes is right, which is supporting marginalized groups and she does it so effortlessly and unapologetically.

And I just love her so much for that because her message could impact people that are fence writers that don't know, that aren't big, you know, consumers of news, hearing her say something so compassionate about a gay person or a person of color is, I think, so important, especially right now. Okay, had it or hid it, birds. Are you kidding me? Is that a real question? It's a real question. We did our research, Tamron. There is a glorious, beautiful, Senegal parrot who is chirping at everything we're talking about. She can hear us. Josephine Berker is my bird. I have a bird obsession. I have peacock placemats. I have a beautiful china set that I got in Florence. It's all birds. I've had it my bird bird I had for 20 years. He passed away when I moved here.

So we have Josephine Berker. Listen, birds are that's my like Mariah Carey's or butterfly thing or whatever. Dolly has her nails. Birds are my thing. I don't know why but birds are my thing. So I might have a proposal for you. My parents have this African gray parrot named crackers.

And crackers, I think she's 28 now, My parents have this African gray parrot named crackers. And crackers, I think she's 28 now, but she's supposed to live to be 80. Yes. And so my parents are aging and they're both in great health, but they are always worried about who's gonna take this bird. And I have to tell you that crackers is, she's really sweet to my parents and, um, she's not very nice to the rest of us. And so maybe at some point you

could adopt crackers. Great. I have my own problem here. I had, I got Josephine Berger right when I was pregnant with Moses. And ever since I had my child, she has attempted to every day assassinate me or the child. She's only friends with my husband. And then we have another family friend who babysits her when she comes to visit. She quick change. I feed her, I clothe her, I provide college tuition for her.

I do everything for this bird and she is so ungrateful and attempts to at every chance attack my child for me. So no. Let me tell you what my mother did. So crackers about 20 years ago attacked me, bit the shit out of my finger. I start bleeding. I fling my hand and crackers goes. My mother goes, Oh crackers. Oh crackers. I'm like crackers bit me, mom. I am bleeding.

She goes, well, you'll be all right, darling. I'm worried about the bird. My mother's from Dallas. And so, you know, that, that kind of accent. And I'm like, you don't care about me Here's another funny story about crackers. You'll get a kick out of so they'd had crackers for about 15 years My mother calls me and she says Darling, I've got some rather alarming news and I said what is it and she said well crackers laid an egg

And I said well, I thought crackers was a boy. And she said, you can imagine our surprise. I get to hang out with your mom. I don't know about the bird, but your mom sounds amazing. She's hilarious. Yeah, so they thought crackers was a boy for 15 years. Oh, God. And then crackers-

But that's hard to tell they're gendered. You have to take, they have to do a blood test. Yeah, so then crackers goes and lays an egg. And then she had been misgendered, you know, for 15 years, but now crackers is gendered properly. Crackers is a she. It took some adjustments and she still- At least has a non-gender name.

I mean crackers. Right. Yeah. She works out. Ever since the bird bit me on the finger injury blood, I call her crack pipe, be worried, you could call her fried. No, my bird, yeah, she bites, and those birds are really big, but I don't know what happened, but I'm a huge bird person. It's a weird thing. And I just, I saw a hummingbird last summer.

We have like a little cottage out along on the island. And I was like, oh, I'm going to get a little bit of it. I'm going to get a little bit of it. And I was like, oh, I'm going to get a little bit of it. And I was like, oh, I'm going to get a little bit of it. And I was like, oh, I'm going to get a little bit of it. And I was like, oh, I'm going to get a little bit of it. And I was like, oh, I'm a huge bird person. It's a weird thing. And I saw a hummingbird last summer. We have a little cottage out on Long Island, and this hummingbird came and my husband was like, what's wrong? I was like crying. Oh my God, it's a hummingbird. What have I done right in my life that a hummingbird is in my garden? I'm like, you're weird,

oh, I'm like, I know, but I love birds. Yeah, that's the whole thing. There's a whole bird watching. I mean, that's a lot of people love that. My dad's super into all of that. Okay. Last one. Had it or hit it? Gluten. The tough one. Of course you'd ask a tough one.

So I. So my niece just recently got diagnosed with a gluten allergy. So that changes. Yeah, changes. Yes. No, the niece getting the diagnosis changes that I mean, putting a real, because I do think that there are, there are people that have real gluten allergies and that is serious and they need to avoid gluten.

And then you have the foe gluten allergy piggybackers that are like, I'm gluten free, I'm gluten free, I'm gluten free. And then they're hammered, drunk at 2am and they're eating cheese pizza for pieces at a time before they pass out. So I won't name names. I know at least two people like that. Every time we go to dinner with them, I'm literally like, here we go. And it's this whole performative thing. But what I think is the core of it,

because I've thought about it a lot, going back to the first conversation we had about busy, and excuse it, it's for some people, this constant desire to appear different, right? Because society, oh God, I think we are in an attention craving world. It's gotten worse. And so when people can find things that,

you know, you sit down for dinner and everybody's got to talk 45 minutes about their gluten allergy that no one really believes that they have at the table. But it makes a sense of attention. It just does. And so, yeah, it's complicated. And then again, you have restaurants

who like charge extra for the bread and you know, the pasta company that's charging extra for gluten pasta and you're like, this is a scam. But yeah, he's got it. It's got it. Yeah, capitalism always comes in and makes a racket out of everything, doesn't it? Definitely.

All right, well Tamron, thank you so much for joining us. Tell our listeners where they can find you and the title of your book. I know Pumps is about halfway through it. I'm going to start it when she finishes. Oh, thank you. I will get you two copies so you don't have to share. I know somebody who knows somebody to make that. You might have some stroke.

No, you can watch the Tamron Hall show. We are on, of course, throughout the country. If you go to tamronhallshow.com, that's where we see the listing. And the most exciting part of my journey right now is my new novel, Watch Where They Hide. It's a juicy crime thriller inspired by a case that I covered in Oklahoma in part, and it's about infidelity, betrayal. And can Jordan figure out what's happened to this missing mom of two?

You'll have to see. I mean, I just feel like I wanna inject that right into my veins. I love that stuff. Tamron, it has been so lovely to meet you. You are wonderful. Be sweet to your bird, and I hope your bird is sweet to you.

And I'm bringing crackers to you. And thank you crackers. I hope you crackers. I hope you and crackers find peace and love, maybe over a Thanksgiving meal together. And I wish you all the best with that relationship and give your parents the best. Thank you ladies.

It was a joy to speak with you. Thank you. Thank you, you too. Bye bye. You know what I like about Tamron Hall? What? She's had it but make it intellectual. She's so smart. You know like she's had it with stuff but she's

mindful and thoughtful and there's a psychology behind it and you and I attempt we try to do that and then we always end up in the junior high school restroom potty talk. She's taking it to a level we can't seem to reach. Tamron Hall is goals for us. Absolutely, no, she's cool. Yeah, what about her with the bird? Are you kidding me? Kylie and I were like seeing,

we were Googling yesterday when we were researching the hat at her head, it's, and Kylie's like, oh, she's obsessed with birds. And Kylie was telling me. I love that. I'm so excited. Crackers finally made it to a podcast episode. Crack pipe.

Crack pipe. Here's the deal. I just cannot wait to witness. I'm not getting that bird. When Crackers comes to live at your house. Crackers is. Those are famous last words. I'm on the permanent record.

You're fucking ended up with Crackers. You're the illogical choice. For Crackers? For Crackers. Maybe Steve will do it. He might take the bullet, the logical choice. For crackers? For crackers. Maybe Steve will do it. He might take the bullet. Your brother? That's my brother, yeah.

You know, there's gonna be a lot of grand, there's a lot of grandkids. My kids, my children are candidates for crackers. They're not taking crackers. You're taking crackers. No, I'm not taking crackers. You love Linda. Linda loves you.

I love Linda. You and Linda are basically the same person. We've morphed into the same person. Yeah. But I just, I think you'll end up with crackers. I really do. Oh, all right, listen, I cannot have crackers. I cannot have crack pipe.

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