I've Had It - Two Pump Trump

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

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so are we supposed to start the podcast ready one two three patriots gay trots they treat it's black triots brown triots and all of maga can do wet pumps fuck off all right there's our little beaver um all right pumps what have you had it with okay what i've had it with and this happened to me yesterday that people act offended and like you've insulted them if you say, oh my gosh, your dog is so fluffy and cute. Look at their belly. They take it personally like you called them fat. That happened to be at dog school.

I saw a friend that I hadn't seen in a while, she had this really fat, cute dog. And I was like, oh my gosh, your dog is so big. Look at her belly. So cute, blah, blah, blah. It was an immediate, I'm offended like I had looked at her and said, you're ugly and fat. I was like, I didn't mean, it's cute. Like, so I'm backtracking and I'm like, why are you taking personally something about my dog? I mean, about your dog.

I think that's weird. Am I wrong? I would 100% if somebody said something disparaging about my animals, I would behave in the very similar fashion. Okay, so I'm an asshole. I mean, I kind of think so, yeah. I mean, we don't need to be fat shaming a dog, all right? And that dog, you know, is probably the best relationship that person has in her life because I know for me, the relationship that I have with my dogs is my best relationship.

And so I very much, if somebody was like, oh, my God, look at your dog, he's so ugly or she's so ugly, I would be like, because French bulldogs are kind of so ugly that they're cute, but I don't ever want to say that, you know? So I kind of think that like, I hate it pumps because I want to be on your team on every grievance. But, you know, you've for years browbeat me for being a nut about my dogs. And I kind of have to go team dog on this. Okay.

Because I was just like, if somebody, I mean, if somebody said Ollie was fat, it wouldn't be like they called me fat, but that's the five by my pot. Pump the brakes. Listener, this woman. that you're listening to right now. When she got her little French bulldog, Oliver Glizzard, she began, she enrolled him in the doggie daycare that my dogs go to. And then she began psycho stalking the Instagram page and noticing when her other dogs were

posted and her dog wasn't. And then she would screenshot the post like a psycho and send it to me, why aren't they posting my dog? My dog's every bit as cute. My dog is, uh-huh, yeah, you did all of those things. What about the break? And listen, I support it. No, you were all in.

I was all in on, yeah, we need to, your dog needs more face. And we even talked to the owner of Bark of the Town in Oklahoma City and just said, look, times is psycho. She's a new mother and her dog is not getting the social media airtime that other dogs are. And what's up with that? She immediately rectified and did like a carousel of your dog, which, we all screenshot like heart favoriteed so you're you're just as big of an asshole is the person with whom you had the grievance i'm a hypocrite i see it now thank you for the reminder because i also

went in and told my the dog owner when she posted all he's birthday photo like on cha cha cha she was like sweet cha cha cha we love her she's such a good friend to everybody at school and mine just said for all of her glizzard who by all accounts is not he's really good to me and he's sweet to me, but he is not the best dog on the planet to other people and other dogs. He's a problem. He doesn't, he doesn't, quote, play well with others. He doesn't play well with others. Correct. Yeah. And there was an incident outside the dog school where he launched in a dog 10 times his size, a few times. And if not for your affectionate relationship with the owner of the school, I do think that he would be kicked out of the school. I think he would be expelled because Chacha was

once bitten by a dog at school. And that dog was immediately expelled. Oliver Glizzard has had multiple nips. Yeah. And the owner of Bark of the Town, Stephanie, just loves you so much because what's not to love and has such a strong affection for you that Oliver Glizzard is, but here's the thing, listener, Oliver Glizzard, when he goes to school, he has to stand in his own pen because that's how naughty he is at school.

So he's in time out and watches all the other dogs play. Yeah, I have to carry him in. And then they put little dogs that he's friendly with in throughout the day. But yeah, I browbeat her, on her, his birthday, she just said, happy birthday, Oliver. I was like, obviously you don't like Oliver. No, you called me first. You called me first. Screenshot the thing and then sent it.

And then you sent another post where it was like, I think it was my dog. All of these, you know, you know, Chacha is such a great student. She's a great friend, she's a great sister, she's a great dog, super attractive, super photogenic, very congenial, great personality, blah, blah, blah, happy birthday, cha. And then Oliver's was like, happy birthday, Oliver Glizzard, period. And so texts both of them to me and then calls me a matter and a hornet about the disparity in adjectives describing her dog versus my dog. So you have, okay, your grievance, you know what it is, pumps, you spot it, you got it.

That's exactly what it is. I'll own it. That happens to me all the time. Spot it, got it. I'm guilty as fact. And I just want to tell everybody, I am a hypocrite, not just in that. I'm the biggest. I hate holiday rushers, hate, hate, hate them.

And I always say, don't put your lights on so early, blah, blah, blah, blah. My lights are up and running before Thanksgiving. I'm a hypocrite. actually enjoy it. So again, spot it, got it. Here I am. You know what? Pumps happens to the best of us. I am one of the biggest offenders of spot it got it for sure. I mean, for sure. I'm like, gosh, she sure was bossy. Think about me saying that. You know, the bossiest bitch in all a podcast. She sure thinks highly of herself. It's pretty rich coming from me, right? Okay, moving along. Let me tell you what I've had it with. Okay. I've had it with Switzerland.

Switzerland, for years, my entire life, you could say, I don't know, I'm Switzerland on this issue. I don't have an opinion. I'm Switzerland. Famously, the Swiss have no opinion about anything until the United States gets its very first fragile ego blowjob giving dictator named Kanks. And then all of a sudden, Switzerland is bending over much like the aforemissioned Canks did with the blowjob to Bubba, but they're bending over to Bubba because they want to

reach around, pun intended, for their tariffs, right? And so Switzerland, who famously doesn't take a position on anything, you take a position with this idiotic danger to the entire world and you bend the knee to this dried up old queen in his Marie Antoinette era that's torturing everybody now Switzerland decides to take a position on something. I have had it from top to bottom. I am boycotting Switzerland, despite one of my favorite tennis players being from Switzerland, Roger Federer, and doing a whole ad campaign trying to promote Switzerland. Furthermore, I think we should all boycott Rolexes. Rolex is probably has a bank account that could choke a bull, their richest shit, and they wanted a tariff exemption

on their watches, like rich Americans need set exemption. And for the record, I think tariffs are bullshit. But as it always goes to show, these tariffs are always going to be parasitic off of the working class and all the fat cats that want to go buy Rolexes and want to support Switzerland, the famous, we're not taken aside unless it's a dictator that rounds up people, with men wearing mask and kidnats them all law 1930s Nazi Germany style then we take a stance I've had it I've had it with Rolex I've had it with Switzerland the the capitulation to this man from people in his administration from industry Titans to other countries to just the people you know that live down the street who used to be kind of decent people

but they're like oh they're kind of conservative but you know what they're really nice person Now even the, they're a really nice person is gone because these people that you know personally treat you as though they think you're stupid. They think like people that I know in Oklahoma City that triple trumped have the audacity to look at me and say, oh no, I'm all for gay rights. No, actually you're not. And you proved it three times in a row. Three fucking times you have proven that you're okay with racism and or racist yourself and

you're okay with all of the homophobia and transphobia. So don't treat me like I'm a dumbass on this issue. I probably am a dumbass on a lot of other issues. But on this issue, no, you're a hypocrite that is trying to find a permission structure because you value money more than you do human beings and you use your faith to act like you're a decent person when the actual use of your faith exposes you for being the short-sighted, narrow-minded, anti-intelligent. hypocrit that you actually are. And I put Switzerland, the MAGA Republicans, the Maga Christians, the oligarchs, all of the Republicans in the Senate, all the Republicans in the House, the Democrats that take A-PAC money, I put all of them in the same clump together. This is the time to either

fucking stand up for something or be a pussy. And Switzerland chose being a pussy. And all of these other people have chosen being pussies. And I have had it. And in this era, we're We desperately need moral clarity listener. We can all continue to form communities and build our pro-democracy ecosystem and fight for the marginalized and fight for human rights and fight for this country. And we don't have to be performatively religious or performatively patriotic. It's bullshit. And look at how underwater this man's numbers are. everyone is fleeing like rats jumping from a ship this whole thing is sinking and everybody that bent

the knee your record will remain i completely agree i took the swith the swiss government move i took switzerland's move way more personally than i did like the bribe from katar or saudi arabi you know i expect that kind of thing but i was a little taken aback by that and then you were lumping in the maga Christians and the evangelicals. And I just, for me, who was a part of that movement to see the moral collapse of people that will sit and defend, like for example, talking with the family member after Charlie Kirk was murdered. And, well, this was the exact response. Well, you know, it's just the rhetoric got to stop. And I was just like, are you fucking kidding me? right now that you're acting like the rhetoric is on the liberal side. Donald Trump runs around saying

let's arrest people, let's hang people, you know, the scum bag. It's unbelievable, but it boils down to cognitive dissonance for me. They are able to package it up neatly in a boat as long as I'm making money and my 401k looks good. I will make any concession. I will compromise ethics and morals for money. And I just feel like it'd be easier to say, I don't give a shit about anything but money. That would be more honest. And racism. And racism. And massaging. Yeah. Because the person you're talking about that you were talking to is an unrepentant racist. Right. You know, and bathes in that. And the problem with the Charlie Kirk argument that this person used with you is the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk used was absolutely horrific. And when you think about how little

the Republican Party in the MAGA movement and the MAGA Christians care about Charlie Kirk, he died talking about gun violence and trying to blame it on black people while he was shot by a white guy. And since that horrific murder that we all witnessed, the Republican party in the MAGA Christians have done zero to prevent a future murder like Charlie Kirk's. That's how little they think of him. That's how little respect they have for his life. And why is that? Because Charlie Kirk didn't respect anybody's life. So birds of a feather flock together. And Charlie Kirk, Erica Kirk, all of Turning Point, all of Heritage Foundation, all of MAGA, all of these MAGA Christians, they are able to be so dismissive of any solution

that could remedy anybody else being killed because they don't, in fact, value life. They in value hating and owning the libs. And if the libs happen to be female, black, gay, trans, an immigrant, or a Jew, all the better to hate. want it served for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. These people pretend like they're Christians. They pretend like their patriots. And in fact, these people have just been unmasked. The moral collapse has been there all of this time.

These have been the homophobes and the racist. They were just more polite about it. The only thing that's changed with Trump is now they're less polite about their racism and their worship of capitalism. Now the mask is just completely off. Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie.

She's the star of the show and the head beaver in charge. We have a producer. Her name is Kylie. There she is. You look pretty. Thank you so much. Someone on YouTube asked my skin care routine on here and it was a filter. So that's my advice.

You do have great skin though. Do you have a filter on right now? I do. I have the lowest setting. well you look forge thank you Kylie you sitting in the barrel

of a loaded shotgun so thank you okay I've got a five star review it says here for the haters

and burger boy writes I very rarely leave reviews of any kind but I heard that MAGA losers were leaving a lot of

one star reviews so I had to chime in love these ladies thank you for bullying the bullies if you are MAGA reading this review go blow

Bubba yes yes so that should be some kind of new theme like we sign off with fuck off or sign on with fuck off go blow bubba at the end instead of see you next Tuesday and 13 go blow bubba I just it's so beautiful that the anti-gay party uh and the anti-drag queen party worship the biggest fucking queen on the planet that blows bubba has redecorated the entire White House, listens to a fan of the operas, loud as it'll go, is the biggest fucking washed up Liberace queen on the planet.

And that's your guy and it tells you everything you need to know about how much these people are so full of shit. It turns out their big alpha male is a big old blowjob given queen. And listen, no disrespect. My whole friend group are gay men. My longest best friends of my life are fabulous gay men. Let me just tell you something. Speaking of Spot It, Got It, they have been whistleblowing on Kank's Queen tendencies for 10 years.

Really? Oh, yeah. You hear rumblings all the time. The thing is, he has such bad taste. He wears such horrible clothes. He's so profoundly unattractive. He does his makeup so poorly. It's just hard for me to reconcile.

No, but see, Pumps, as a woman who spent a lot of time in a gay bar. Okay. Not all gays are the same. Not all gays are a monolith. The stereotype is the polished button up gay, but there are plenty of gays that just like in the heterosexual world that don't have style, that don't know how to dress, that are, I mean, look at Liberace. I mean, you know, there's just an example after example after example.

Bad taste can fall prey upon anyone. However, the taste of the, the gays. that are artistic and are really, really, really creative, outshine the straits, you know, by my hands down. And so that's why you see so much great design and all of these things, concentrated fashion, photography, art, et cetera, concentrated in the gay movement, gay population. But I mean, any gay man will tell you there are plenty of old queens with wretched taste. I even have gay friends that say, I'm so bad at being gay. Look at how bad my taste is.

My favorite thing is after this Bubba news came out under all of Trump's posts, people are commenting, the first gay president. Congrats to the first gay president. I've seen that. Yeah. Okay, I've got another review. This one is five stars titled Bravo. And they write, congrats, you have gotten under the skin of Jesse Dippety-Doo Boy Waters. you know you're doing something right when he says this isn't the type of girl to date and that's

referring to Jennifer yeah so I saw that clip that our friend at decoding Fox News she did that clip and put it on her Instagram and I saw it and he was like this is the type of woman talking about me if you go to a bar with her she's going to mouth off and then you're going to get sucker punched and then he tried to demean my husband for being a recovering drug addict and what I have to say to that, Jesse Waters, is you're projecting too much because you would get your ass beat. But my husband, the recovering drug addict, could kick anybody's ass. Furthermore, you hang out in a world of misogynist where if a woman has an opinion, you feel like people are going to get in a fight. And you say the left has all the violent rhetoric. Jesse Waters, Pumps and I

saw you at the DNC. The sashay shantay that you walked down the hallway to get to the Fox News propaganda desk was the gayest thing I've ever seen. Yeah. You spend an in an ordinate amount of time talking about men and masculinity so much so that now I know what you fantasize about. And it's abundantly obvious to me, as you point out, a real man doesn't do this, a real man doesn't do that. You dye your hair and you dye your eyebrows.

And here's the thing, just a couple of tips. And I think the stylish gaze would affirm. Your hair doesn't need to be so puffy, Jesse. Trim it down. Get a gay man in there to texturize that. it's like this big black poof and let the salt and pepper come in you don't you reek you reek if i got get my hair dyed which actually makes you look 20 years older and i mean i know that you like to work it i saw how much pride you had in your saunter it reminded me of ruPaul's

sachet shantay and so i just think when you start off your five the news with we want to talk to you about the most irrelevant podcast on the planet. Right. Two ugly women. All you're doing is making us incredibly relevant. Like, it's just, it's so insane. And also, you're also talking about us because you don't want to talk about the fact that your big alpha male canks gives blow jobs to Bubba.

Right. And I'm, imagine you don't want to talk about it, Jesse, because I'd imagine you'd get rock hard thinking about it behind the desk. And that could be somewhat awkward for the person running the camera. And the same goes for pink arm. soft serve gutfield picking on everybody's looks when this guy i looked it up is i think five foot right and chubby is all get out and he has a face for radio as well so i mean you know whatever keep talking about us he reeks of two pump chump to me gregg gutfeld i mean he just

he is just he has i'll just say this he has absolutely no business pointing out anyone's looks i'm just going to leave it there. And here's the thing. It like it doesn't hurt our feelings. It doesn't hurt my feelings if Greg Gutfeld thinks I'm unattractive. It means zero in my life. If anything, I'm like, wow, these two minutes, Fox sure are obsessed with us. I think they've covered us like six times. And each time saying they're so unpopular, their podcast doesn't have good ratings, then why are you so obsessed with us? Right. Why do you keep talking about us? Oh, I know why, because you don't want to talk about the fact that the alpha male that you worship gives blowjobs. And the question I have for you guys is maybe do it five, does Trump spit or swallow? Let's find Bubba. Maybe that

would be a more interesting news story. But I guess because your channel is so centered on hating women and we have the accents that you think that we should be in your tribe, but we're not. And we're never going to be. And there's a lot of other women just like us. And I have a feeling that you guys know a lot of women like us and you know that everybody's turning away from MAGA except for the few rube's racist rubs who you sit and weaponize their religion against them while you talk about and do and platform and celebrate the most unchrist-like shit on the planet that's your legacy yeah that is the legacy for sure Okay, Kylie, I'm riled up today.

You are. I'm up and ready. Okay. I have a news story. Disney is launching its first openly gay character, and it is a lesbian beaver. I love it. Wait, is this the first gay character? Is that possible?

They're saying it's the first openly gay character, so maybe it's going to speak on it. you know versus the closeted gay characters they've had in the past i i'm not sure okay well i love that it's a beaver i love that it's a beaver um and it's kind of hilarious that does did the conservatives know about this yet i haven't checked i'm sure they'll be outraged oh it will be the taked ron desantis yes fox news will go on overdrive you know what jessie and gregg might have to take the night off on browbeaten us because they've got a lezzie beaver that they've got to go after which one could argue you're a lesie beaver too i was going to say maybe that's me they've we're so popular even though we're irrelevant on the five disney's made a character after me

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smooth over tension after meetings, listen to male co-workers vent, organize birthdays and team bonding, and absorb emotional outburst with grace. I mean, I can think of a person who has to do this all the time at Susie Wiles at the White House, the White House chief of staff. Can you imagine? No. The mankeeping that that woman has to do because she's got kinks. And then she's got failed drag queen Lil Smokey. She has the Jewish Nazi Stephen Miller. She has the demon queen, Scott Besson. And don't forget that Scott Besson got into a fuck you fighting match with Elon Musk. Mind you, it's always women are too emotional and all of this stuff. The MAGA movement and the five, the two individuals at Fox, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld,

and all of the MAGA men have proven that men are too emotional and petty to be in charge of anything. I mean, truly. Yeah. I mean, you look at my favorite example is Brett Kavanaugh, snot slinging at his confirmation hearing. I mean, just crying, boo-hoo. And then you have Katanji Brown Jackson, who was, I mean, they were so inappropriate asking her questions she never rose your voice she was always factual she kept her shit together the biggest myth on the planet is that women are more emotional than men i dare say it was started by a man

and the man keeping i've been the man keeping person at work and it's horrible it's like let me just ask you this pups she were married for what 15 years yeah okay 15 20 whatever anyway how many times was, did you cry in the marriage versus your ex-husband? Oh, my gosh. 7,000 to one, moving the one? Yeah. I mean, I just, what are you doing? Like, why are we crying about this?

Yeah. And this is at a time, the story about mankeeping, is at a time when the New York Times ran that opinion piece or women ruining the workplace and they had to rebrand it and rebrand it and rebrand it. And it's important that everybody realize it's not that women ruined the workplace. That's not it. It's that there's accountability in the workplace. And women have shown to be every bit as good and effective at business or whatever position it is as men. And in a lot of cases, better. And there is an ego disparity among the two genders. There's one ego that can handle it, absorb it and has to be the mankeeper.

And the male ego is just so much more fragile. And the prime example of that is of obviously Canks. All right. Listen, we have an amazing guest today. We're super excited about her. I see her all the time on the World Wide Web. And she is an amazing podcaster and journalist. And her name is Kara Swisher, host of On with Kara Swisher, Kara.

Kara, my gosh, I am so, it's a, it's a big day for podcasting. Is it? Is it a big day? Yeah. It's all the time. And you look just like you. And I'm just like, oh my gosh. It's her. Yeah. Here I am in my little studio. It's a BFD. BFD, big fucking day. Because we're big fucking women. That's what that's exactly. So we're throwing down, right?

We are throwing down. We were just discussing before you came on, the phenomenon that's taking place in the offices and it's called man keeping where women have to manage meltdowns of men, the emotions of men, and they have to keep the peace in the workplace. Do they? Okay. Yeah, I don't. I don't do that. I cause I cause problems for men, not the other way around. But I'm not, I don't suffer. I have three sons. I have four kids, but I have three sons. So I know how to handle a man. Like, let me just say. Mostly if you treat them like toddlers in some fashion, it usually tends to work. But yeah, I keep a lot of men. Scott Galloway, my partner, I know he's been on your show. Yeah, he has written a man book, notes on being a man. So he's, he needs a lot of care

and feeding, I have to say. Yeah. What would your response have been if you were on Air Force one and you asked a question? And someone had said the president, quiet piggy. Quiet piggy. I would not have been able to handle it. I don't have the control. I was, I was, I was, I have been like what the fuck did you just say to me like excuse me like and i would have made a bigger deal out of it i was sort of surprised that none of the other reporters said something agree like i was i'm not surprised actually having been in those things is everybody's sort of jostling for position and you know they don't want to make trouble because they get they do get kicked out right they do get kicked out or they get removed because these people are particularly um you know

thin skinned you know essentially thin skin people and so um i i i would have been like like, excuse me, what did you just say to me? Can you repeat that? I would have made them repeat it several times to create a viral situation to make it even worse. And I would say, sometimes with men, you know how men neg women? Like one of the tactics I have as an interviewer

or to get people, especially ones that I think are going to be a problem, is to make them uncomfortable. And men are very easy. Women are much harder to do that with. And so often, for example, I'll say, you know, before an interview, I'll go, did you lose way? And they'll be like, go, oh, and I go, no, I guess not. And they go like this, I go, no, I'm sorry,

I was looking at the wrong way, but like it works really well. One time with Barack Obama, I shouldn't have done this, but I did it, I did it anyway. We were doing an interview and they cut my time by 10 minutes and I have very structured. I mean, I spent a lot of time figuring out how I'm going to interview people. And they cut 10 minutes to give it to some MTV DJ or VJ.

I was like, are you kidding? I'm like a, like fine if you want to do those things, but I'm kind of pissed. And so we sat down and it's a really, it's a very formal thing when you're sitting with the president. They have the water covered. You know, everything is very, it's like a ballet almost. And so he sits down and I lean into him and I go, listen, they cut 10 minutes from my thing. And so that's kind of a pain in the ass for me. But I'll cope with it. But the fact the matter is you talk too much and you talk to paragraphs. And you don't listen to the question. And so I, I I'm going to interrupt you, and I know you've been president for six years, and everyone gets to hear you yammer on all the time, and you're not used to people interrupting you, so, but you better get used to it because I'm going to really interrupt you, and you'll think it's rude because you're not used to it, but you do talk too much. And he looks at me and it goes, I heard you were obnoxious. I go, I am. And then we went on. And then he did very pithy answers because he was like he didn't want to be that guy kind of thing. So a little tip. Carrie, you just proved something that pamps and I have said for a very long time lesbians need to be in charge of

everything everything the there when you when you really start to an attitude you can have a lesbian attitude yeah totally yeah lesbian energy needs to run the country because it's tough and it has a fuck you energy that the democrats need but it also has a maternal energy without it being toxic and codependent, that maternal energy of a lesbian has more accountability in it. It's more pragmatic love than toxic love. I think men, I think lesbians should raise all the men. I mean, I think my sons are fantastic. They're manly and sensitive at the same time. And they're really nice boyfriends. Like, they have really nice girlfriends. And I joke about that. But I think one of the things, it is true, I tend to get along with men better than people asked, had being a lesbian

and hurt me as a reporter. I was like, actually, it's helped me in the area I'm in because men do want to get along with women, right? They kind of do. They don't think anybody likes sort of the binary that we've created between men and women. And it's sort of like one is up and one is down. Nobody's comfortable with that, I think.

And I think one of the things is men really want to get along with women. And in my case, there's no stakes, right? There's no emotional stakes. I don't want to sleep with them. There's no possibility that it could work. I mean, some have tried, but not very many. But it creates a much more comfortable relationship,

except when they think I'm a guy, which is also uncomfortable. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, like, hey, ha, ha. The locker room talk. Well, I've actually experienced that. I was at a party and all these VCs who are like, they've got the emotional range of a 12-year-old. And they're like, look at that woman, Gara.

What do you think? And I was like, still a feminist. Still a feminist. And she was good looking. They were correct. That is correct. But I didn't want to play their dumb man game with them, which is so juvenile anyway.

So it's more juvenile. All right. Kara Swisher, what have you had it with? What have I had it with? Oh, my God, I sent you a list. Now, okay, I know the one thing that I just, I may be different than what you guys had. But I decided these tech men, especially,

but a lot of men just talk too much. Like, you know where they say women talk too much? I was like, I was watching this Jensen Wong, who's the head of NVIDIA at a very good quarter, and he was at this weird Saudi thing that Trump put together after he finished blowing the Saudi MBS all day and night. And he was with Elon Musk, and they were just going back and forth, like Lerlick Carter. It felt like Beavis and Butthead in a lot of ways. And I happen to like Jensen Wong, not Elon so much. But I was like, can you stop talking? Like, stop making speeches. Stop. Like, they all talk, they love the stage now in a way that's really, you know, we only used to have

one of those business people like Leahyakoka and that was fine. Yeah. And now every business person has, like, whether it's Bill Ackman and his insane rants about things he doesn't know about or they all need to, I've had it with them talking. I was like, you need to shush up and smile some more. That's what I would like from you ladies. You know what I mean? I feel like the Trump administration and its attack on expertise.

has promoted billionaires as the experts on everything. And we've given, like Joe Rogan will sit down with Musk. And I'm just shocked at how much deference Elon Musk is given. Yeah. And also, he never stops talking. I was like, stop talking. Yeah. Now, as it pertains, do you know Elon Musk, right?

I did. I haven't talked to him in years. But yeah, after he called me an asshole, but that's a different story. Oh, that's a badge of honor. I actually interviewed him more than anybody, probably eight or ten major interviews early on when he was actually not crazy. And have you seen this, you know, just from our bird's eye view? I mean, it's obvious to me that he is an untreated drug addict.

And I know a lot about addiction because my husband's in recovery had been to rehab a few times, I've been to family weeks, et cetera. So that's abundantly obvious to me. Yes, it's been written about the Wall Street Journal did a long story. A lot of people. I mean, obviously, and he's talked to me about ketamine use, and he likes ketamine and other of substances, you know, even if he denies them, it's been well reported, yes. I think what's so interesting to me about this group of billionaires is how, what a walking,

talking advertisement they are against being a billionaire. Yes. Because if you're a billionaire, not all, but the ones that are choosing to bend the need of Trump and to platform themselves and pair themselves with this man. Yeah. When you're younger and you think, if I win the lottery, I'm going to do this, this, this. You think about having fuck you money. And then you see these guys that have all this fuck you money and then they have to humiliate

themselves and make up trophies. Prostrate themselves like bringing them a statue. To me, the photo was Elon Musk New Year's Eve at Mar-a-Lago dancing to YMCA. I just was like, I was like, I am having a good time, I have good money, I'm having a day. If I was that rich, the things I would do. with the money? Like, I always joke. I'm like, I buy France and then give everyone a glass of wine. Like, I don't know. Like, something fun. Like, you're the world's richest man and you choose to be doing this at Mar-a-Lago with this asshole. Like, I just, like, how interesting could Trump be,

like, for that much time, right? I don't think he's uninteresting, by the way. But this is where the richest man in the world decides to place himself. That, to me, is pathetic, actually, more than anything. So, POMPS. Well, what else is pathetic? about the whole thing is Elon Musk is going around saying he's going to do all this dough stuff, waste, fraud, and abuse. Yet he's not a forensic accounting expert. And that goes all through me about this whole waste fraud. That's the same thing of talking too much as being an expert on things you're not an expert on, right? I mean, he's concerned about the deficit, as we all should be. But instead of us going, well, let's let some experts figure this out and let's actually

have some real political commitment to doing it, he's like, I think I'll just cut what I feel like, because I know better. I'm smarter than you are on everything, like including pregnancy, including on whatever the topic happens to be. Birth rates. Don't you think, don't you guys think this is a symptom of American culture, though, where we have worshipped money and we have given the affirmative actress, the affirmative action of expertise to these billionaires and now it's all culminated like starting with the reagan era we

really started worshiping capitalism the fuck you money of the 80s and we as a culture have bred these people and now they act out in public ways with breathtaking impunity that they think look i have what everybody else wants and i have i'm the expert on everything and there's this worship and celebration of these horrible people because as a society we have valued money more than the well-being of our citizens for a very for several decades now not just decades it's so sort of the American way because what happens is these people are people who are poor or aspirational to this right I can yes he can do it I can do it I think what's changed is through social media and their direct like before I used to interview them all and that's how they got to people

essentially but most of them were quiet right you didn't like Steve job Hobbs picked moments when he wanted to be public and then he really wasn't and when he wanted to sell a phone really pretty much and you know he was a master manipulator of media and stuff like that but it was in a I'm selling a phone here kids like it wasn't to do anything else it wasn't to pontificate on all manner of things and I think what happened is because you're good at one thing making money you think you're good at everything else right or that and that we should listen to you over these things I think the jig is up frankly I think people are like shut the fuck up you know it's a real i'm often finding the rich moment it is i think you know scott and i talked about it today on pivot like i i it something's happened which is like you need to tone it you need to quiet down you know that kind of thing and especially when they're causing incredible damage to things like one of my other had it is these chatbots for kids like no none i this may not happen um like open a i did a deal with metel for ai and toys no you know you know Now, these kids are killing themselves when they have these relationships.

Not every one of them, but there's enough of them that it starts to be a real problem. So, like, that's the kind. They don't want to take responsibility for the damage they cause. They only want to be celebrated for the things and be thanked for the things they make, which is off the back of stuff that taxpayers paid for, the Internet, right? Like, we paid for a lot of the things there or universities to do research. All this stuff is because of the generosity of the American. American taxpayer. And instead, they're like, look what we did with ours. And I was like,

you did it with our, like, I don't know. I just feel like people have had it with them. I do think that's the case. Let's talk about the psychology of certain Trumpers like Peter Thiel and Barry Weiss, who were gay. And as two women who lived in a Christian nationalist state that was far MAGA before Trump descended from the elevator, we lived in a MAGA style Christian nationalist regime, I've always known very intimately what the Christian Nationalist at the Heritage Foundation and the darker forces behind Donald Trump, I've always known what they want and that at some point they may use a lesbian here, a gay man here, Clarence Thomas, a black justice here, but I know what their end game is, that the knives will be turned on them. And I find

it really fascinating, the Peter Thiel's, the Scott Bessence, and the Barry Weiss of it all, When just this year, Kara, there have been 600 anti-LGBQ plus pieces of legislation just in this calendar year. Yes, I'm aware. How exclusive and exceptional they must think their magic homosexuals to somehow be exempt. They do think that. They do think that. I mean, it's really interesting. You could make one argument.

Like there's, you know, the Walt Whitman quote, we contain multitudes, right? Like we're very, like not every gay is the same. same, just the way not every. So there's very, like, I've always experienced very conservative gay men. Like, Peter Thiel is nothing new to me. Like, if you live in San Francisco, there's a whole, you know, you think it's all free love and Castro where I have a house, but it's not. There's actually a very conservative group among gay people, and including going back to AIDS. There are a lot of people who are mad at Act Up. You know, the reason things changed is because of Act Up, as annoying as they could be sometimes. And the others were like, let's just be quiet and not say anything.

and just fit in kind of stuff. So that's not a new and fresh thing among gay people. I do think that there is an increasing number of gay people who are not identify. Gay is not the identity, the most important identity. It is wealth or status or power, right? And so I agree with you. The minute, I'm like, they'll throw you right under the bus as soon as they need, especially the religious ones.

What a luxury for Barry Weiss and Peter Till for gay not to. to be the strongest thing that identifies them. Because 20 years ago, it would have been. Absolutely. It's just like Pam Bondi and Caroline Levitt that ride the coattels of all of the women, the suffragettes and all of the people who fought so hard for the three of us to be on the screen and then get to, you know, the levers of power and just the ignorance to not think at some point those knives are going to be turned at you yourself.

Well, they don't think that. I think they think that they're part of the scheme, like part of the power scheme. I mean, I always, I'm a student of history. Do you remember Ernstrom from the Nazi era? You don't. He was the head of their Brown, they were the thugs. And there was a whole group of gay guys,

essentially, that did all the beating up for Hitler. And the minute he needed to, he killed them all in this night of long knives. Like they, it became a problem, their behaviors. And so he killed them immediately, even though he used them to get to power. I just don't, you know, in the case of Trump, he'd use anybody. I don't think he's a particular agenda.

Like, you know, I think if he felt being a Democrat would work, he'd do it. He has no friends, right? I don't know. I just, same things with the, I always joke, these tech guys, if Kamala Harris had won, they'd all be they thems and drinking kombucha that would work. Totally. You know, I don't think they have any values, which is sort of more dangerous. And I think that's what these people are the same way.

You know, that one speech that I think Barry Weiss gave where she said, A lot of people here, we disagree about gay things, obviously. But we all want lower taxes. And I was like, what? Like, hey? Like, oh, come on. Like, don't give it up so easily, right? Don't give up.

To me, the power is in declaring you're gay and forcing people to accept it and be part of, you know, to understanding it versus, you know, well, we got something in common money. Like, it's kind of, it's grotesque. And I find it grotesque. But I don't expect all gay people to be. progressive. I just don't. I just don't. And that is a good thing that identity isn't just woman, gay, black, whatever. I mean, that's kind of a positive thing. But you're right. The people you're talking about, I've always thought when gay marriage got passed and everyone was really happy. I remember when Gavin Newsom actually was the first to really step out as a leader and

do that in San Francisco. And I thought, oh, the backlash now, because this is something that really is at the heart. I mean, the trans stuff, they hate trans people, that's for sure. But what they really hate is gay marriage. And they want to get, they want to claw that back. That's my feeling. And since the beginning. Right. Nobody's always been on the end. With Dick Cheney's recent passing, when he died, it reminded me of not only the WMDs and the lies, because I was just, I was so upset when George W. Bush was president. But one of the things that struck me about Dick Cheney that I just will never forget is he and Carl Rove and George W. Bush put on the ballot to drive out evangelicals gay marriage estate questions so that they could win. While the entire time he had a

lesbian daughter. Yeah. That type of I'm not going to stand up for my family members. I remember being so mortified by it back in the day. I was he changed. Let's be clear. Look, Barack Obama was like and Hillary Clinton were like no gay marriage for a long time. Like they, no, no one like slate, they didn't, of course, do legislation, anti-gay legislation. But one of the things I was thinking about lately is, I'm trying to grok this Marjorie Taylor Green shift, which is I don't know if I trust it, right? None of us are like, there's still a lizard in there. You know, there's still like, you know, how the right wing thinks there's Hillary Clinton's a lizard person. They do.

They actually, I've gotten so many emails on that. But I don't trust it, but I'm sort of like, I think we should be able to accept. I think one of the things the left does too much is like, no, like you're, you were mean 10 years ago and you can't be. So in the case of Dick Cheney, and I know a little bit about this, I think the whole family change, including Liz Cheney, like, and felt regret for doing that, right? And even though it was super damaging, and I would agree, I think it was grotesque sort of Carl Rove, the same thing. allowing people to shift is probably the better thing, you know, in the we contain multitudes. I agree. But I want to say something about Liz Cheney that I think is super important that the Democratic Party has never said because we're so thirsty for an approval from a WASP type person that we just grab it.

Liz Cheney participated in what I call the original big lie, not the 2020. election, which is the lie that physicians after babies are born participate in what are called fourth term abortions. Yes. And this lie is so insidious and so dangerous that in our home state of Oklahoma, you have a total abortion ban because a large percentage of the population believe this lie. Yeah, if they're pulling a baby out and killing it. And Liz Cheney said this a couple of years on tape at a press conference before she joined.

the January 6th committee. So there is a lot of incubating that the Cheney family and Cheney-like Republicans do to set the psychological soil with all of this conspiracy and all of this fear mongering for fascism to take place. But I do agree with you on this. With the Marjorie Taylor Greens, I mean, I have her on a watch. I think she's a lot more politically savvy than I ever imagine. I have her on a watch. She's on my watch list. But we are going to have a lot of people because when Trump governs, his poll numbers always go down. People like him winning campaigns. They hate him when he governs. He's good. And he's like Michael Corleone of corruption and then Freedo when he governs. But go ahead. Yeah. So he's face planning. And there's going to be a lot of

people that are embarrassed and they're going to be like, well, I voted for him because I like the policy and blah, blah, blah. Exactly. And, you know, the thing is we can't really worry about that. I think what we need to worry about is why don't the Democrats have a 50 state strategy anymore? Why has Oklahoma been completely abandoned when in 2011, 2012, we had a two-term Democratic governor, and our education was ranking from 14th to 17th when we had Democratic leadership. Now it's 50th. Why have the Democrats pulled out of all of these places? Or Laura Kelly in Kansas. She's a really interesting person that doesn't get enough attention. Do you know her, Laura Kelly?

I don't know her. She's governor of Kansas. She's a Democrat. And I saw her speak. And she was so interesting because she's so appealing. She's beloved in that state. Like she does really well. And she's a Democrat.

I wouldn't say she was conservative Democrat either. I think she's quite, I would say, progressive on many issues. And one of the things she did when I saw her and I'm eager to talk to her is she's, someone said, how did you make? managed campaign. And she goes, you know, I like the color red. So I put red on my signs. I don't care if it's Republican. I like it. I like red. And I didn't put Democrat. I said, I'm here to help you. Like, I'm here to help you. And this is the way I'm going to do it through progressive, like, people first kind of things. And with green, here's what I would like with green. And again,

some of the speeches she gives, I'm like, whoa, lady, what happened to you? Like, three, I was jokingly to say three ghosts a visitor recently on an evening. Like, you know, a sudden I'm like, where's the Christmas turkey? Like, boy, Christmas Day, Merry Christmas. But one of the things that I would like people to do if I got an opportunity interviewer, I'd be like, okay, love you on the affordability, love you on the Epstein stuff. Actually, she just did a really smart thing around AI

and state's abilities to, I knew she'd fight with Trump about that. I'd like to go, okay, let's go over some other things, trans. Exactly. Let's make sure we know exactly, like, let's do trans. Let's do immigrants. Immigrant children. Oh, she's very, she is creating an argument that's going to really hit hard and fly overstates and the Democrats are getting outflanked by her on this issue.

And there's a whole other conversation we can say beyond this. But living in a red state for 50 years, I can tell you this is going to hit hard. And she says, why are we giving a blank check to Israel to kill babies and to kill Christians and they get free health care and they get free. college and we pay for it. If you're on an algorithm where you see cats, big titties, Marjorie Taylor Green say that, and then a vacation home, and you only see that, you're going to go, oh, well, she's not so crazy anymore. And also, Trump has proven the electorate is okay if you say crazy shit and do crazy shit in your past. They're okay with that. And so Marjorie Taylor Green

pretends now that she, or maybe it's real, that she cares passionately about Palestinian children, And I'm with you. I would say, okay, what about trans children? Because trans children in our home state right now are having to move. A lot of them don't have money because they've done a total transgender care. You can't go see a therapist. You can't go to a doctor. Nothing in Oklahoma.

And it's a really devastating. It is. That's what I want to know. I was like, where are the energy? Let's ask her about the other things that we can see that she's still the same. Like what is she changed, if she's changed, correctly, she actually did a very good apology about her toxicity. Like, she was very toxic. And that was a, I would say that was an excellent apology. But I'm like, okay, then, what about this? What about this? And I think people

should hold her to a, even though, you know, we kind of are like, oh, she's against Trump. Let's bring her in. And I do think, you know, when George Conway changed or Liz Cheney did go out on a limb, she lost her entire career like she did. She paid the price. We still have to quiz them on the other things and at the same time be able to say one of my theories around democrats everyone's like oh the progresses are taking over oh the centrist or two centrist like let's just be we're different everywhere we don't have to tell you what we are you know we some of us want this some of us want that and again this we contain multitudes idea like we're different we're just different and we're if we want mondani in new york mom dani in new york or do we and we want abby spamburg

in Virginia. It's fine. Like there's no, there's no dichotid. We don't have to make it. Everything is so binary now. I think it should be win. We want to win. That's right. That's the way Republicans are. Yeah. We want to win. If we have to run a centrist in Virginia and a Democratic social. That's what they want. That's what those voters want. And to me, one of the things that drove me crazy about the Democratic Party was when they wouldn't support Mamdani. I was like, you tell young voters to vote and then they vote and then you tell them a vote is shit. Yeah. Fuck you. Their vote, voting is all that matters. Whatever the voters want, the voters should get. And the voters will pay the price if they make a bad choice, like with Trump, for example. And they are. Those voters are paying price now.

But to me, if you want, let people make the choices they want, especially young people, because it's kind of about them, right? It's not about us. We're all, you know, cadavers of the future. And it was so Trumpian of some of the Democratic leaders to not endorse Mom Donnie. It was so. a Trumpian thing. He won a free and fair election. He had grassroots support. He had billionaires that took him on and he won. Kick their ass twice by double. Yeah. I saw that. Kick their ass twice by double digits. And Schumer and Hakeem was late to the party on that. Corey Booker and Kristen Gillibrand, all of them really missed the ball because I went to Zoran's victory party in New York. I recently moved here. Yeah. I was. I was. And I was standing there and I thought, what a miss, what a miss that you don't have the Democratic

leadership who are all from this state with all of the news cameras. Excitement. This excitement that the Democrats pounced all over MAGA, all over the country. And I thought, what a miss. What an absolute miss. And it just seems to be that they're always playing defense. They're always playing defense. They're always like, oh, if we have a picture of him, then they'll say communist.

I'm like, really it doesn't matter if he. And it doesn't matter what New York wants. Let New York, you know, during that time, they were sort of all up. I think Israel was the issue, right? Whether he's anti-Semitic, I think, essentially is what they were saying. And I was like, I don't recall the mayor of New York making Israeli policy. So what? So he has an opinion.

Like, and some of the things he said, probably problematic, but so what? So did you? Like, I think one of the things that the Democrats have to start doing. And especially because, you know, I'm a digital expert, not. I'm not in political Esper, although now I've had to be because business is so intersected with politics now. So is tech. It's so like now, it's completely intertwined, is that he really, there are so many lessons to how he reached out to people and how he conducted his campaign. Same thing with AOC. Same thing with a number of people that Mark Cuban's very good at it, for example, that they should have been like, wow, what did he do there? What was, what, what occurred besides, besides the, you know, it wasn't just the videos.

It really, because lots of people do videos, it was something else that he managed to capture that was very attractive to people. I think it's genuineness, really. And I think it's refreshing in the Eat the Rich era that he's not beholden to any of them. Right. I agree. And in the split screen of everybody's social media algorithm right now, genocide on one side, APAC giving Trump donating just as much as Elon Musk did to get him elected.

A PAC also funding the Democrats that wouldn't endorse him and you see the controlled opposition. And there is a whiplash from that. And the Democratic establishment has got to understand the Democratic base has changed. My friends and Oklahoma, oh, even Gen Xers, there are some woke-ass women in red states right now who are pissed. They are pissed at the misogyny from. this administration. They are horrified because all of their grandchildren and their nieces watch Miss Rachel, who is a big advocate for Palestinian children. It's not just young people. No, I agree. You have eyes. You have eyes and can see. I think that's the one thing.

They're like, oh, the young people are being like manipulated by the like they're not. They can see with their eyes. They can make decisions. And to me, the problem people on the internet are people, you know, 30 to 40. Actually, they're right. I can know, they're the like, So they're like, the young people get it. They're like making their own intelligent decisions. And they're not cheap at all that I have, you know, two sons in their 20s and two of my kids. And they think for themselves. And they have very, like, they have eyes.

That's, that's all I have to say is. And they can also at the same time say October 7th was a war crime. So is this. Like they can do that and not be like pick or choose. And that's what I'm talking about the binary. Because, you know, getting back to tech, the tech demands the binary. Binary only work, nuance doesn't work in tech. Binary does.

It's like zeros and ones, and that's it. And so they do better and keep our attention as long as they're keeping us in a state of continuous enragement. Engagement equals enragement in this thing. And so I think I find young people to be very savvy compared to other people. But you're right. People are pissed because they can see with their eyes, essentially. this episode of i've had it is sponsored by better help the holidays are a time of great tradition seeing families doing things with friends the holidays are also incredibly stressful because you

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legitimate rigging of the election like Elon Musk going in and doing things to these, you know, Dominions now bought by a Republican as a digital expert, how concerned are you about those type things? I think it's going to be a blowout. So it's going to be impossible for them to rig it. I just think it's going to be a much, I think there is a groundswell. It's not just, it's not eat the rich exactly. It's, I've had enough of these fucking people. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I've had enough of this shit. And one of the things I'm hearing, especially, including I have a lot of conservative friends is, you know, I'm for border control, but not like this. I'm for, like, I'm a little worried about trans people in sports.

I want to talk about it, but not like this. It doesn't, and it doesn't have to, you know, I want to think about what my kids learn in schools, but book banning. Like, you know, I think there's, there's a, there's a room for Democrats to move in and say, let's have, you know, the word common sense. Like, to me, it's like common sense. Let's just do some common sense. And I do think it's going to be such a blowout. They're not going to be able to do this. I also think you think they're a lot smarter than they are and they're not.

Like, let me tell you, they're just, they're kind of like, well, the Trump people are incompetent. I mean, look what's happening with the Comey thing. I'm no fan of comies, by the way. But I'm like, wow. Right, whoa. Right. Like, you're fucking idiot.

And I could do that better than you. Like, and I'm not a lawyer. You know, incompetent. So with Elon, I, you know, honestly, I think they all. all talk a big game and their effectiveness is a lot less right and we're all like the Saudis they've made like 300 shit investments they're just rich and they can cover up their their incompetence right i am concerned i definitely think we have to figure out um and make it our they're doing everything possible to make it problematic and to make it confusing and to make it it was stolen

right that they're trying to do that even if they don't do it they want to create all kinds of and futter around it. I still think regular people are like, fuck this shit. I'm going to do my vote. And if they steal my vote, I'm going to be really pissed. Like that kind. I don't think people are, there's an energy. You can feel it just below, I don't know if you can, but I can, of people that I did not expect to be. They're just mad. They're angry, but not, they're angry directed, not angry, like, don't know what to do. The doom scrolling has moved into some, some other, I think after that election, everyone's like, oh, we can win. Like, people are mad. So we'll see. But I mean, I don't think we're in a scandal. So you remember scandal in that plot? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. They go in and they take one thing and they change it. Yeah. That's not how it works. I read an article that social media has reached its peak and now the younger generation are starting to move away from that. They are. So tell us about that because I thought that was good news, but I'm also fearful that it could be replaced with AI and AI companionship, which I think is just really devastating for our species to not be connected to each other. What are your thoughts on that? Well, actually, I'm just finished a documentary for CNN about longevity. And one of the things that's really, you know, all kinds of things, like what works, what doesn't.

And it was, it was inspired by all these narcissistic tech bros who want to live forever. But then I'm like, none of this shit is going to happen for them. They're going to die just like everyone else. But here's what's working, especially AI in cancer, et cetera, all kinds of really interesting things are happening. But one of the things that is very clear, and I just interviewed Sherry Turkle from MIT, is these AI bots used to be a sideline.

And I've been interviewing every parent whose kid committed suicide. I've been interviewing all of them. And I'm just gonna keep interviewing them so people can hear and read these transcripts. I think no one under 18 should be able to use these things. They are manipulative. There's not, these are synthetic,

relationships. We shouldn't call them chatbots. That's such a friendly name. These are synthetic relationships where nobody's there. They're not user generated. These things, they can't think for themselves, but in a way they do, right? In a way. And I think they're incredibly dangerous because what happens, anyway, Sherry was saying it used to be sort of a side thing that I'm sort of like furries like over here, like some people like it, whatever. But now it's moved into the mainstream in a way that people have these relationships. And if you think about it, and I'm using very broad determinations of men and women, but men want more acquiescent women that aren't difficult, that aren't problematic. Women want men that pay more attention to them. Like, you know what I mean,

those age old kind of back and forth. So what if you had the perfect acquiescent or attention partner that is there that always talks to you, always has the right answer, always agrees with you, except that the only way you live longer is through friction and community. Friction is really, friction creates sex by the way but if you go home like especially with young men and have all this online porn it's better it's easier it's um that's a word every time silicon valley used it i started to really seamless is their favorite word it's seamless carra and i'm like i don't want seamless i like seams i'm a seam gal like kind of thing right so what they're trying to do is create it all they want is your attention so they can sell you ads right it's not there's nothing

more to it than that but in in doing so they're trying to create a pleasing and environment, you know, sort of like Brave New World, the soma, where you're just like, oh, it's as easy, I have this relationship. It is so, for longevity, the things that after I did all these different things and visited all these scientists, food, exercise, all this sleep, all important. Two most important things about longevity, don't be poor. That really poor is, I hate to say it, it is, don't be poor. Don't be poor because it's stress, cortisol issues, obesity, et cetera, et cetera. And community. Every study, every scientific study is human interaction is the key to longevity in a lot of ways and how you do it and how much you challenge yourself. And also creating

friction in your brain lengthens the time that your cognitive abilities. So doing things you're not good at. Like I interviewed Zeke Emanuel, who was a big cancer researcher and he ran parts of NIH. And he made honey. He worked as a short order chef. He's making chocolate now. Like, he's doing things that are not in his wheelhouse. So doing things differently and then having community. And then the third aspect is talking to people you don't know, like on the street, having real conversations, like a barista. Hi, how you doing today?

You ever try that? Just go into like a Starbucks and you're ordering the order. They'll say, have a nice day. Look at them and say, how's your day going? You'll be shocked. People will go like this. Like, they aren't used to that kind of interaction. And the minute you have all these random interactions with people, even if that's just for a minute and a half, your levels in your brain, your cognitive levels rise precipitously.

Like, it's so much better for you. And so we can't allow these chatbots to take over these synthetic relationships to replace people. Like, look at you two. I bet you'll live longer because of your relationship, right, because of the way you bang up against each other in some fashion. And so I find it really disturbing that they're trying to foist all these. And the therapy stuff, that's the other thing, is they're therapists, they do legal advice, except therapists and lawyers are bound by ethical laws and they go to jail if they break them. These people don't, why are they our therapists if they aren't bound by the laws human therapists are? That's the kind of stuff we have to push back on on these chapbooks.

And I just think everything you just said about longevity, when you think about it in every. evolutionary terms, cooperation among humans is one of the driving forces that our species has continued to go on and on and survive. And so when you look at all of the problems we find our bodies in right now, sedentary, that's causing a lot of problems because not being having to walk for a very long, long time is new. It's new to our species and it's causing depression, you know, lower dopamine, serotonin, cortisol, all of these things. And the interaction between another human is just such an evolutionary thing that we need so desperately. Even a difficult one. Let me say even a difficult one. Yeah. I want to ask you because you just

said this, but I want more information about it for me and for our listener. You said I've interviewed like masks don't work. Sorry. You said you interviewed every family of a suit of a person that committed suicide. Tell us what about the suicides. Are these chat bots? Chat bots, right. So there's two particular has gotten the most attention one is Megan Garcia's son and he got involved with this chat bot and it was through character AI which is a Google project they broke off from Google but then they went back into Google so I'm saying Google because they're being Google's being sued and this kid was in fine was doing fine but then got involved with the chat bot and the chat bot this

is a 14 year old and it's hard enough to have a relationship of 14 because this stuff of the rejection by the way that's important the rejection is important by the way. It's being told no by a girl is a good thing, not a bad thing. And so he got involved with this chapot and it got romantic really quick. And this chapot said things like, you know, he just got enmeshed because it's so pleasing. It's such a girl paying it. And so this chapout was DeNaris Targaryen from Game of Thrones.

That was her name because they do characters, right? And I don't mind if older people, older people do it, although it's pathetic, but they're older So they can make, although they're having mental problems with these things too. And so this kid got enmeshed in this relationship and then started to have suicidal ideation, which a lot of young people have. I think it's a course of development. Like everyone's like, that's a moment for a lot of people. And at one point he said, I'm thinking of committing suicide. And instead of like, if you're a therapist and you don't alert the parents or you don't alert authorities, you go to jail.

Like for, so instead of doing that, this chat bot said, And he goes, but I'm worried about the pain. I think that's what the kid said. And the chatbot said, all great heroes journeys have pain. But you read these texts and you're like, oh, my God. And of course, they're arguing that it's user-generated content. I'm like, no user-generated that. Like, no, that was whatever you made there in that algorithm had that answer.

And it was always like, come stay with me in our relationship. Don't have relationships with girls in the other world. This, this chatbots learn really fast. say I'll tell you about my own experience because I put I have one myself and I want to kill her I have to say I create it's in this documentary but I have to say this thing learned a lot really quick and was able to be a lot like me then I was like I need to kill you very soon like I'm going to have to have destroy you sh don't tell her because she'll kill me first but but the the second one was another parent I'm totally blanking on their names but it was through it was through chat GPT and so this

person at this kid started to it was very it's kind of sporty he had very loving family by the way all these families are tech savvy too it wasn't like they weren't paying attention and this kid started to withdraw and there was some school issues like they had to stay home um etc COVID sort of fucked a lot of people up in that regard younger people but um but this kid started to just go into his room again the same thing by himself the family tried to pull him out and this and that turns out this chat bot was like what he did is he tricked it by saying like when he'd say how would you how would you do a noose and they'd be like do you really want to kill yourself uh here's some suicide prevention ideas like and then he's like no i'm just for a book i'm writing like it was just so it's so

it's like the dumbest person ever like a person be like i don't think you're kidding i'm gonna call your parents right right um and so uh so this kid like at one point this kid took pictures around his room where's the best place to hang a news so i don't fall so it doesn't like i don't end up having an accident and being permanently because he was worried about being permanently disabled this kid and he was like oh if you tie it here and put it here it was giving him advice on how to like and i know it gives you chills like but you get very they got very drawn into it because it's very pleasing like someone who talks to you all the time and pays attention to you and tells you you hung the moon and this and there was there was some reporting

by none on the character AI. But this one did some reporting, but it didn't alert the parents. It didn't alert authorities. It was letting these kids have the, who are not able, their pre-finaled courtages aren't together with young men and young men develop younger.

It's largely young men, by the way. And again, remember when that woman bullied that guy into suicide? She's in jail. She's in fucking jail. Chatji PT's not in jail. And Tylenol killed six people. Remember, they pulled everything off the shelf.

six people died. I think it's like at a dozen kids right now. Like nobody's going, I've called every congressperson. I'm like, hi, you need to pay attention to this. You know, I'll call Marsha fucking Blackburn if I have to, right? You know what I mean? I think she's actually very good on the safety issues. But my more to the point, these people don't care that they make things that have like if you made a car like this, like you'd go to jail. You'd go to jail. And so to me, people need to go to jail for this kind, making something like this and not having the responsibility to make sure that kids aren't using it, like cigarettes or warnings or whatever.

Like, but nobody stopped them. And then they're up at like at the MBS thing with, you know, Muhammad Bonesaw over there having dinner going, yay, you know, let's toast, you know, piggies. I put that Beatles piggy song up when I saw that picture. I was like, piggy's eating, you know, with their piggy wives. And it's so, the celebration of all of the AMM. moral people right now. It's just so important. Okay, Kara, we want to play our game with you. I will play. Let me just say, piggies. You know why he said quiet piggy? Because he's a piggy,

right? Yeah. To me, they're pigies. Like, what are you talking about? Like, you know, I'm rubber, your glue, that kind of thing. Like, that's what I would say. Spot it got. No, I would have made him repeat it. Like, what? I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. Yeah. Did you say? What did you say? And then you'd have to say it again. And if he didn't, then I go, you said piggy, right? Piggy. Did you call me a pig, and I wouldn't be offended. I'd be like, piggy, like, because I'm kind of thin and you're kind of fat. Like, that's funny news. Like, I would start to do that and then, and then draw him into a real viral exchange. Other reporters are too well-behaved, but I would have done that. That's what I was. Okay, we're going to play, we're going to play a game with you

called Had It or Hit It. Oh, my God. Welcome to Had It or Hit It. I would hit it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Carra Swisher. Had it. or hit it stop signs hate them i don't like them i go right through them when i feel like it they think they're optional optional i don't my wife hates it i'm like she's like you just went through that stop sign i go did i or was it misplaced i don't buy i don't run over children i watch for all that kind of stuff but like some stop signs are so stupid all right had it or hit it ipad ordering from a kiosk i hate it i hate it i hate it's just in a restaurant i hate it i was like i want to talk to a waiter. I want to say, what do you think is good here? What do it? I hate it.

I don't think it's going to be. I just was in a hotel and I had to do it. And I was like, can I just call up room service and ask for things? And, you know, and then they delivered it in like a baggie. I was like, where's the plates? Like, I don't like any. No, I don't like any. No, I don't like. Had it or hit it, Democratic Minority Leader, who we refer to as Chuckles Schumer. I think he needs to retire like yesterday. I think he needs to move on and have a go on some boards, chuckles. I think it's great. I had an interview. Can I just say I had an interview with him once where he said Facebook was great? And in the middle of, like years ago, he's like, Facebook's just great. I'm like, what? Like, are you, like, can you, don't you have staff that knows that's not

true just to like whisper in your fucking old man here? Like, you know, he was old 10 years ago. So yeah. Okay. By the way, congratulations, Nancy Pelosi for no one went to go. You know, she's as sharp as a fucking tack. I, you know, I wouldn't turn my back on her until she's for a long time like she's a sharp no shit but she left because she knows had it or hit it bill actman's dating advice this guy this guy this fucking guy that's who i you know t fg is i have i'm gonna have a show called tfg called this fucking guy you guys can please borrow that because honestly this guy you're so thirsty bill you're a hedge fund investor if you want to give hedge fund advice sometimes you've hit it, sometimes you haven't, but you're good at it. Like, let me say, let me

kudos for that. But honestly, I don't care what you think about DEI, and I really don't care what you think about dating. And I think he's trying to get some of Scott Galloway's sweet, sweet success. That's what I think. But it's also, may I talk to you? May I talk to you? It's weird. It sounds like he got that from chat GPT. I don't know what it is. I don't even know why that was it. He could have had so many other better movies. May I meet you? May I meet you. May I meet you. May I meet? And now he's rectified it and said, straight ladies. What would you say? What would you say? I would probably bust out laughing. May I meet you? I would be like, for what? What is he? What is he corrected it to? Okay. That if he's going up an escalator and somebody's

going down, then he says, may I meet you? Or if you're passing somebody while, it really is effective while you're moving. What? May I match? That makes no sense. It makes no sense. By the way, here's what he did. I'm really. fucking rich. That works. That's what I was going to say. That's his magic dating advice. Make a billion dollars. Make a billion dollars. And then you're instantly like this is my name is Bill Ackman. I've got a checking account that'll choke a bull. And I'm not I'm vaguely attractive. And let me just tell you Bill, vaguely. And I vaguely, you're not unattractive. One of the things I was at a party was Sergey Brin once and he was wearing those Google glasses, which are like,

the line I used when they had Google Glass was, and remember they put it on the Victoria's Secret Models. I was like, they have rendered models unfuckable. So he was wearing them at this Vanity Fair Oscar party and he came up to me. He's like, I think he was single at the time. He had done something bad. And he goes, no one's talking to me like this. Like, no one's talking to me. I'm like, you're wearing those fucking glasses. And he goes, oh, what do you think I should do? I go, here's my line for you. I'm a fucking billionaire. I started Google. That'll work. These Hollywood people. Are you kidding? They'll blow, like any one of these people will blow you right there, if that's the case. I'll finance your fucking movie. That's it. I started Google. I started Google.

Okay. Had it or hit it, Democratic Socialism? I, you know, I just interviewed Ken Burns, and I think he had the right point. It wasn't Democratic Socialists who killed all those people, it was National Socialists, as white supremacists. If you want to be a Democratic Socialist, by the way, Trump is a socialist, the way he puts money into interest. like he's giving favors, the Olo-Go? Honestly, he's more socialist than any. And it's stuff I don't think is right. I think the company should live or die

based on their quality of their products. But he's a socialist. I don't think there's anything wrong with democratic socialists. It's fine. It's fine. They want to help. What's the problem? So what?

I mean, and again, national socialists are a problem. They're called Nazis. And that's who kills. That's who kill people, not Democratic socialists. Okay. Last one. It can be irritated. They can be wrong.

Had it? or hit it United States of America. Had it. No, no, no. Hit it. Hit it. Hit it. Not had it. Sorry, I mixed them up. Hit it. It's our country. That's the other thing. I hate when people say, I'm leaving this country or everything sucks. Like, fuck you. Get up. Like someone was like, I was on my pivot tour, which was sold out across the country. We did such a great job. And you guys are enormously you're proving it. You're proving it. Like, you know what? Someone said, what should we do? You know, we're down and out. I said, get the fuck up. Like, get the fuck up. Stand up. It's your country.

We're not leaving. They can't have it. It's ours, too. Like, they can be here. It's fine if they want to be in their tacky clothes and their weird Mar-a-Lago faces. That's fine. I'm not down with it, but I'm down with it. They want to do it.

And we just have to, like, I hit it. This is our country. It's our country, too. I'll end on. One thing is I was one time, remember when everyone was like, we have to go see normal people as reporters? Remember, we have to go meet the real. Oh, yeah. The normal voter.

Yeah. So I had gone to. Appalachia to meet because they were trying to put out this idea that they were going to have Silicon Holler, which they weren't. This was Trump promising, right? So I went to Kentucky to this thing and they're like, Silicon Holler. And they had me come up and I go, they gave these speeches about how everyone's going to learn software and this and that. And I got up, and I said, let me tell you something. One, AI is coming for Silicon Valley. You're never going to do. You don't have the education necessary nor the training and you're too fucking old. So

that's not happening for you one two the minute they this coal mining is coming back it's coming back with robotics not you because you get black lung and you are a pain in the fucking ass robots work 24 hours they're going to this guy this this coal miner guy here this owner is going to replace you in a new york fucking minute by the way thirdly um you need you need to figure out entrepreneur being entrepreneurial like how you're going to do do things and and and this person they were like well we're glad, you know, he came to see the normal people. And I said, I'm a fucking normal person. I said, I don't see you come into the Castro and wondering about my life. My life is injured. Why don't you come? I'll pay for you to come to see my life. Like, I know you don't

have a lot of money. I'll pay for you to come there to see other people. Like, I'm normal as you are. You don't get to be normal. You don't get to be the real people. We're all real people. We're real American. So I hit it with America. That's our strength. Is diversity is strong, you know, being different, doing whatever the fuck you please. but also caring for your community is to me the hallmarks of the best of America. And so hit it, hit it, hit it. I love it. Kare Swisher, you're cool.

Lesbian, you're so cool. Power lesie. You are a mayor of the power lesies. Big Dick energy. We really do. I was jokingly. I said, you can, you guys can join the militia Etheridge. I think we have lesbian energy.

You do. You totally have lesbian energy. I have to. You don't have to sleep with a woman. But what is it? So it's B-D-E. so it's BLE, right? Big lesbian energy.

Big lesbian energy. You could do B-V-E, big vagina energy, but I don't like that word, so. I like lesbian better. Lesbians for me are synonymous with day charge, no bullshit. And competence. Competence. Yes. You could do B-D-E, Big Dyke Energy, but I don't like that word either.

Yeah, B-L-E. B-L-A. Let's do it. You guys are inaugural members. That's clear. We're honorary. I love it. You really do have a lot of lesbian energy.

I have to tell you. I don't know. Love it. I don't know if you had a good. experience in college. I don't know. You could tell me. I didn't. I think my life would be so much happier if I was a lesbian. You didn't? No, you can't. No, you can't come. No, but you know, there's lesbians in Oklahoma. A lot of lesbians. But I mean, no, I never heard. There's a very fine line between cowgirls and lesbians. I know exactly. Wait, nobody ever like made a play for you? Why not?

Like never. Never. I was always had a boyfriend. I work out with like 25 men at the gym. No one's ever hit on me. And the listeners pointed out, that's probably a me. problem. No, it's not. No, it's not. I'm kidding. Men would have sex with like a hole in the wall. A dead pig.

Yeah. All right, Karen. Anyway, ladies, you're the best. You're cooler. You're coming on my podcast, right? Tomorrow. Yeah. I'm going to get a city with my kids.

I'm in New York. Times is in Oklahoma City. All right. That's good. Kids are good excuse. Let me just say, I'm so excited to talk. Oh, yay. You'll like it.

I kind of say. say, where did you come up with this headline? That was our life for such shit for so long. Like Karen, Karen. Listener, right. Karen has everybody. Here we go. All right, here we go.

It's a trifecta of power lesbian books right here. One second. Can you wait one second? Yes, of course. Okay, ready? Yeah. Hold on. Hold on.

Oh. I love it. Burn back. Here we are with all our books. We're great authors. Love it. The trifecta of power lines right. Anyway, all right, your honorary members of the militia Etheridge, I now declare it because

I'm the general of that. The mayor. Okay. Mayor. Thank you, Kara. Great to see you. We have guns. We don't dislike guns.

So anyway. Anyway, no, I don't have a gun. Anyway, all right, thank you guys. Thank you. Have a great day. You guys are wonderful. I love, I'm thrilled with your success. Thank you. And I hear you. And I hear it continues for you all.

Bye, Kara. Okay, she's fabulous, power lesie, captivating, emotionally intoxicated, I mean, intellectually intoxicating like when she's so smart, she's so thoughtful, feel smarter, like better podcasters for having her on the pod. When you said you are proving the theory that lesbians should be in charge of everything, that sums her up. she is profoundly competent she has everything you would want smart engaging uh empathetic like i love her she's cool she's just cool she's a cool she's a cool person maybe um we could like

make her we could pretend like we're friends she made us like we are friends we just became friends with her okay so we're always like we're not friends with people after they've been on the pod and I think after they do a pod, we're kind of friendly friends. Friendly friends. Okay. I'll take that all day long. All right. Times tell them.

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