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Episode Date: March 18, 2019

S3E11 - Joining us this week is Natasha Bertrand (The Atlantic, MSNBC)! Plus, Jordan covers Roger Stone, Jaleesa has a report on a Trump lawsuit, and AG covers the rest of the Mueller news from the week! Enjoy!  

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So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a two, and that campaign, and I didn't have and I have communications at the Russians. What do I have to get involved with,

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This week was like a Smith song, honestly. It started out rainy and gray. All of us were depressed about last week's Manifort sentencing. But then Wednesday happened and it morphed into more of like a Lynn Manuel Miranda situation with Judge Jackson sentencing, Manifort, for a little more reasonable amount of time. We have a Rick Gates update this week. We have all sorts of stuff, Stone gag order hearing happened this week. Lots of news. Michael Flynn had his update big week. We have all sorts of stuff, Stone gag order hearing happened this week. Lots of news. Michael Flynn had his update big week, big week for the Mueller probe. And we heard a lot of peripheral stuff too, including Nancy Pelosi saying she's not all

about impeachment and the media freaking out, calling her inconsistent, which is the furthest thing from reality because she's never been for it. And I think that was more of a political stunt, like a play, to be like, you're not even worth it, bro. But she left the door open in case something in the Mueller report comes out that's like, oh, you're worth it now. So I thought that was a really well played because it kind of takes away the Republican's ability

to say they're crazy about impeachment. They got pitchforks and torches and the crazy mob of Democrats, you know. Yeah, at the same time though, it did really piss off a lot of Democrats. It did. And we're like, what the fuck? And I just sit in here holding out.

Yeah. That's what Nancy's here for, though. She's playing the long game. She knows what she's doing. Yeah. I think so. I think so too. And like I said, and she made it clear, you know, right now, as I see it, you're not worth

it, because she doesn't have the votes in the Senate, right? Well, she does not in the Senate, but we don't have the votes in the Senate to remove. You have to have 67 votes, I think. Right. So he won't actually be impeached as of now. We hope he impeached, but it wouldn't be removed. Right. So it's not worth it.

But if something happens to where that moves the needle, maybe the White Horse Prophecy, which I'll talk about later, or something, you know, that Mueller report comes out or maybe some huge sweeping Rico indictments or something that would change minds And then she's left the door open to impeach at that point. Yeah, I think what she says so gets mistook as her saying that she doesn't think He even could be impeached right and that's like hey, what the fuck everyone freaks out like come on What are we here for what's happening? I know I initially tweeted it out and I was like what fresh hell? Fresh Hell. Fresh hell. Fresh hell is this. And everyone was like, you leave Nancy alone. And I was like, what?

Jesus. Okay. All right. They gave you the Nancy clap. You know? Yeah. She's like that. She has very weak arms.

She knows what she's doing. Why don't you trust her? Okay. All right. And then we found out about another investigation into Trump. This time it's the New York Attorney General working with Deutsche Bank, taking a hard look at all the loans they doled out to Trump over the years. My beans are on the prosecutors looking into whether or not Trump inflated the valuation of his assets to defraud the bank in secure alone. Something that's something man of words going to prison for. So we know it's a

crime. I'll be at he's not going for long enough but lying to a bank telling them you're worth more than you are to get a bigger loan is a goddamn felony So we look forward to that. He's like I wasn't gonna do anything will that I just want to people to think I was cool I Didn't need it. I just wanted it now. Yeah, don't say me jail Give me a hug. It's an emergency at my golf course Julie said you have a report on a Trump lawsuit and you're going to be doing all the stone stuff this week. And joining us for the interview this week is Natasha Bertrand.

She's an MSNBC contributor. You've seen her on Maddo and several other shows. She's a staff writer for The Atlantic, and she'll be joining us live at the DC Miracle Theater. Yeah. On March 29th. Oh my god, that's so close. I'm so excited. I love every time I see her pop up on TV, which is all the time. Yeah. Yeah. VIPs sold out for that, up on TV, which is all the time. Yeah. Yeah. VIPs sold out for that, by the way, but you can still come.

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And yes those live shows will be put out as episodes those are our those are gonna be our be our episodes for the week. We're going to go through the news. We're going to have the fantasy and indictment league. It's going to be awesome. So check it out. So before we drop into the news, let's get our shit together with corrections. Oh, I made a mistake. Alright, let's start with the ongoing saga of me trying to pronounce the name of the right-wing crackpot party in Sweden. First, I came out of the gate with Svereg Demokraterna, which was close, but you all emailed me saying it was a soft G, which I took to mean a just sound like in jiff not giff uh so i started trying i'm gonna plug that other i'm going to go and tell you to pronounce this giff

giff so i tried again with svarage democratana and now you've all come back saying no no, soft G like a Y sound. Veronica and I are trying this new fad called jogging. I believe it's jogging or yawging, it might be a soft J. So let me try it one more time. Svary, democrat, is that closer? Oh, it sounds closer. That sounded beautiful, whatever it was. Svary, Svary, democrat. You need your little one.

Svary, that's not right. It's not Irish. Oh, it's good. Svary, that's not right. It's the Saint the Pad these days. You sound Irish. Oh, you're good. Let's be idiot, then. It's the Santa Pads these days. It's Italian. Can you picture that hat on her and a little Russian hat?

One of our fans in her. I have it. I gotta say that with that hat on. The Russian hat speaking is Swedish. It just all makes sense to me. No, no, it just reminds me of this. Hey, um, you know I'm half Swedish. Hey, who are they?

Sound vaarded, he tails? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah writing it on that. I'm sure I fucked it up again somehow. We'll keep going. Now I'm into it. I'll get it right before the end of the year. I swear to God. Next we got a lot of emails telling us about the dark web, which we mocked relentlessly in a midweek episode. I won't go through everything, but it exists. And apparently there's three levels from what you guys say, the surface web, that's what we all surf on, the deep web and the dark web. And it really has to do with encryption and passwords and you need access to encrypted sites. Basically, I'm not going to go into it.

I know there's more to it. You don't have to tell me. But thank you for that information. So it's real. You can buy kidneys. Yeah. Someone begged us not to go. Yeah, they called me out. like don't don't do it out

No, yeah, the deep dark web, but sounds like paradise by the foot dashboard light Okay Anyway, meet little fans. No, probably not. I also referred to the nuclear boobies at San Anofre is cooling towers But they aren't cooling towers the boobies actually house the reactors themselves, so they are literally nuclear boobies. And thank you for that. The reason that I called them cooling towers, I was a nuke in the Navy, the reactor itself is the cooler. And I'm pretty sure that's how it works in most places.

But there is a cooling system in the secondary system and the tertiary system. And in the third one, you bring in ocean water to condense the steam that went through the turbines. But, so when I think cooling towers, that's where to me the reactor is, so I just wanted to clarify that. The cooling system is probably in some shaft building. Something. But because the water comes through and the water gets hot, that cools the reactor, right? Because it's that hot.

Yeah, because basically when the uranium fissions and the neutrons will collide with the hydrogen atoms and hydrogen molecules in water, transferring most of its kinetic energy because they're roughly the same size, that heats the water up cools down the reactor, and then that goes in heats a secondary water system, and that's probably all classified information, so I'm probably in a lot of trouble. Let's just science, it's fine. Trump does make science, classified information now, doesn't he? Oh, no.

Elbooks? That's true. When I was in New York and the Navy, they made us classifier algebra notebooks. I'm like, it's the fucking quadratic equation. No one else can know classified. Just a fully guys who pride. Jared Kushnerd is allowed to look at that.

And the Ides of March, by the way, which just passed, Ides means middle of the month, basically. And I know it's not literal. But it falls sometimes on the 15th. But only in March, May, July, and October, usually it's the 13th. Because that calendar was weird. They go by, they put it into threes and it's odd.

And they go, it's just, you know what? Just trust me. It's the middle of the month. And just, you know what, just trust me. It's middle of the month. And in March, it falls on the 15th. And then speaking of Latin at two Brutei, Jordan, you had asked why Brutei, if it's Brudis, the name Brudis is a second declension masculine noun. And it appears in the phrase in here, in the vocative case. And so the US ending is the nomative case.

It's replaced by the E. So I took Latin in high school. I should have known that. I only really remember the verb conjugations, like a gricola, gricolasse, gricolasse, gricolasse, gricolasse, gricolasse. But Bruté, Brutus, depending on if you're talking about them or if you're addressing them directly, which is the vocative case, you get that E ending. Nice. It's good to know we didn't get any political shit wrong. Yeah. Just a random nerdy shit.

And everyone's like, my Latin came in handy. I'm like, all right, dead language, here we go. Also, we were talking about Trump's shit grades and test scores and that he could just embrace it by saying Einstein was a genius that sucked at school. But apparently, there's a lot of evidence out there that he was actually a really good student. Um, I knew that was wrong when I said it. And oh, well, why did I mean, I didn't know I just had a feeling, you know, I have that feeling a lot.

And apparently there's evidence that actually Einstein's wife largely composed the theory of relativity anyway. Oh, I believe it. So it's all out there for you to search if you want to read up on it, really fascinating. That's always the way, man. Yeah. Yeah. Behind every genius is the actual genius. I think it's the phrase.

I was just going to say that the Michelle Obama of White people. Yes. Yeah, and by the way, Michelle Obama and Barack Obama have a magic beans inside joke. So I thought that was adorable. That is. I'll tell you all about it next week because I don't have it in front of me, but just trust me. Or, you know, Google Obama's magic beans.

And it's there. Actually, that could probably take you to the dark web, and I don't know if you want to go there. Finally, in the midweek episode, I had mocked an entry under Jared Kushner's yearbook photo that said he was a member of the Hasty Putting Club, and we got a lot of emails saying that HPC, yeah, you know me, is actually fucking awesome. And no one really understands how Kushner was even a part of it, because it's so cool. Jordan, what's the pudding club? What's the hasty pudding, the HPs?

It might even be hasty pudding society, but I think it's club. Yeah, so the hasty pudding club, it was established in 1770 as a social club for Harvard students, initially. And its purpose was to bring together undergraduates in friendship, conversation and camaraderie and pudding. And pudding, exactly. The club is a name for the traditional American dish that the founding members aided their first meeting and now what they do, now they wrestle in it. Yeah, it's very, very straight.

It is co-ed actually and heteronormativity is just a joke. I'm just joking. Yes, no emails. Wherever you fall is fine. Each week, two members in alphabetical order apparently have to provide the pudding for the eating. And that's about it. Conan is on record saying that he hates the club.

Oh, that's the only celebs shout out I saw on the wiki page. My negative. Jason Seagull was part of it. It's not. No, it's probably a joke. Couldn't probably say that as a joke Yeah, Conan he seems like a pudding type fellow. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I think he could have been in it I bet he couldn't I bet he couldn't say spade a Democrat to know Bill Cosby wasn't associated with this right. I think he's the pudding club The button I think he's the pudding club. I think Cassie.

The pudding and the pops. The ladies. They're sleeping. They don't let black people in Harvard. Good point. Or at least not that, right? Not in the 1770s, for sure. Although I, you know what, I'm probably

going to get an email proving me wrong. So if you have corrections, send them to hello at mullersheywrote.com. And we will read them on the air. And remember, compliment sandwich. I actually got I This is how I think that feedback should go right you say something nice Then you put your feedback in there and then you say something then you end with something nice I actually got

Feedback on how I asked for feedback. No, no, no sandwich You say the compliment then you say the feedback and then you end because people always remember what's at the end? Mm-hmm And I disagree. So like a toast like an avocado toast kind of sandwich wise. Open face sandwich. Yeah. Yeah, I disagree. I like to compliment at the end.

Maybe because it helps me forget the which defeats the purpose. I guess so she can have a point but I'm with you. I like sandwiches. Sanwiches too. I don't understand open-face sandwiches, really. That's just a, yeah. The distressed jeans of food cost twice as much. And it's one slice leaves the family.

Diesel sandwich. Alrighty, guys, let's jump into the news this week with just the facts. All right, guys, let's travel all the way back in time to last Sunday, which seems like a decade ago. When a story dropped about Manafort and the mystery $125,000 payment he lied about to prosecutors three times, one of the things, that's one of the things that blew up his plea agreement.

And why on earth he lied about it so many times is beyond me, but I think I have an idea. I mean, that's just, it's the weirdest thing to cover up. The payment was made to Manifort in June 2017, and we didn't learn about it until prosecutors accused him of lying about it, lying about the origin of the payment. He said three different stories that made no sense. I was alone, I got, I found it in the couch, you know, I just, he was the, it was the, it was the, it was just a change in the couch. Yeah, this is the change in the couch for Maniford.

It was $125,000. So basically, Maniford helped establish a super pack in June of 2016 with a dude named Lori Gay. And it was called Rebuilding America Now. And Gay is a former Reagan guy who then worked with Maniford as a lobbyist in the 1980s. And they're super PAC, the one for Trump raised $24 million considerable amount and far more than any other Trump PAC had come close to earning.

Now as it turns out, this PAC is how Manafort got paid for his work on Trump's campaign. We learned this because when Manafort's legal bill started piling up he asked for $125,000 loan to help with that or loan quote unquote. And the path that that money took uncovered this kickback scheme that Manafort and Gay set up using the pack as a cover. And I think that's why he was lying about it because I think other money took this same path. While this $125,000 thing for legal fees is no big deal and it's not illegal, I don't think he wanted anybody to know the path that the money took.

Because I think other money is that weren't legal took that same route. Because the money that's raised through PACs are not supposed to, they can't be directly associated with anyone on the campaign. Right, and they can't be foreign. So gay reached out to another one of their associates that ran an ad buying firm called multiple media services corporation or MMSC based in Virginia run by a doon named Tony Fabrizio who incidentally was Trump's pollster on his campaign and another Ukrainian lobby as he worked for on behalf of Ukraine with Manafort. So Fubrizio, remember that name for your fancy indictment draft.

Anyway, he's testified several times with Mueller's grand jury. And anyway, these guys are on Jerry Nadler's list of 81 people. All of them are on that list of, you know, when Jerry Nadler from House Judiciary is trying to get all this documentation from these guys. Anyway, Gay reached out to Fabrizio and his ad buying agency, who incidentally received 19 million of the 24 million. So most of the money raised by that super PAC went to this ad buying agency. So Gay got the money from Fabrizio, 125,000, then Gay put it in Manafort's Lawyers account.

What we didn't know until now is that all these guys were skimming 6% off the top of every ad in a kickback scheme and paying themselves with donor dollars, calling it commission on ad buys. This harkens back to the NRA ad buying scheme that you reported on Jordan a few episodes ago. So, why did Manafort lie to cover this up? And like I said, my beans are on a river of foreign money poured into that pack. Manifort paid most of it to his friend and Trump pollster Fabrizio.

And Manifort gave him Fabrizio pocketed 6% of that money, which I probably think came, I think probably came from Russia. I probably think sometimes. Yeah. How are the rubles? Packs definitely are not, they're supposed to be nonprofits, right? You're not, you're not allowed to just take 6% off the top or you could say it's for administrative costs.

Yeah, that could be a cost paying yourself. But that, like, it depends on where the money comes from. Right. Yeah, to be determined. I know of a fact Mueller knows and I, my beans are on Russia. Or, you know, maybe even Saudi or UAE, Israel, Mexico. Definitely. Could be any number of places.

Another Manafort News this week, he was sentenced in his DC case by Judge Jackson, if you're nasty, to what amounts to 3.5 additional years in federal prison? So all told, he'll be serving about seven and a half years minus time served, so minus nine months. This DC case was partially concurrent, the judge said you have to serve this partially concurrently and partially consecutively. So our beans came true because I said five years part concurrent, part consecutive,

and that's exactly what happened. And that just means some of the time has to be served in addition to the time he was given by crazy as Honey Badger Ellis in Eastern District of Virginia, and some of that can be served at the same time, so he's not doubling up on the time he was given by crazy as honey badger Ellis in eastern district of Virginia and some of that can be served at the same time so he's not doubling up on the time. She really wanted to have him serve the additional time for the new crimes of witness tampering and conspiracy to obstruct justice and that's exactly what we thought would happen so our beans came true. As you all

know the sentencing of less than four years from Ellis is a joke. I think you should have gotten 12 or at least eight in that case. But Ellis hated this case from the beginning. So four years is what, little less than four years is what he got. Yeah, Ellis is definitely the kind of guy that wears a fedora when he's not wearing a wig. Oh, that's hilarious. He's totally, he's a total like Jordan, what's his name for Jordan Shapiro? Oops. I create an awful baby of what about his and devil's advocates.

But that whole time he was just like, this is not a bad job of investigation. He was gonna live and die on that hill just to like punish them. It seemed almost for even being a part of the same team that was investigating those crimes. Yeah, but I got super space beans on a theory and judge Ellis is coming out and saying,

this is just to put the screws to Manafort to get in the flip. Supports my theory. And I'll get into that in a minute. But the big news for Manafort sentencing this week was that Judge Jackson explicitly said that the case and her ruling have nothing to do with collusion because Manafort wasn't charged with collusion in this case, and her ruling in no way determines whether or not Manifort conspired with Russia, and she even said there could be evidence, we don't know, but I'm not ruling on that today. Then immediately after that, Manifort's asshole lawyer stepped out of the courtroom and

told everyone the judge, the judge conceded there's no evidence of collusion, which is a total lie, and I hope he's disbarred. But I also can't help but notice he seems to be looming the truth with all this no collusion stuff. Why are you trying to convince us, unless you know that it's going to come up in the future? And I wanted to add this to the mounting number of clues

I've been collecting over the past year, pointing to the idea that Manafort will, at some point, be indicted for crimes of collusion with Russia. Let me explain, as I did in episode 23, you're going to want to check out that episode as a primer for this. And I do realize that collusion is not a crime, but crimes of collusion include Rico, – Bank fraud, money laundering, computer fraud and abuse, conspiracy to defraud the United States, aiding and abetting.

Those are quote unquote crimes of collusion and that's how it was defined by Rod Rosenstein in the scope memo, outlining what Mueller is supposed to be investigating. So when I say crimes of collusion, I want you to know that that's what I mean. All right, so clue number one was when we got that redacted Rosenstein memo I was just talking about the outline the scope of Mueller's investigation into Manafort. One of the two bullets we could see that wasn't redacted was that Mueller was charged with investigating crimes of collusion. This presumably wouldn't have been included if they didn't already have some indication

or some evidence that Manafort had conspired with Russia. Clue number two was a minute order wherein the judge asked Manafort to write a brief, explaining why the charges against him should be dropped, and the judge acknowledged in that minute order that Manafort was seeking relief from current and future charges. And this was after he'd already been charged with all the bank and tax fraud shit, right? So I took the future charges, means crimes of collusion. Clue number three was when a warrant was made public showing prosecutors were still searching man-of-fort shit as recently as March of last year. After he'd been charged already for

the bank and tax frauds, indicating there's an ongoing investigation. And not to mention, they seized five phones in that raid, indicating they weren't just looking for business and tax shit. But possibly trying to determine his whereabouts, such as clandestine meetings with Constantin Kalimnik, maybe? Um, clue number four happened when Muller reminded Vanderswan after he got out of prison that he had waived his FOIA rights in his plea agreement, because he had sensitive information about Manafort that was part of an ongoing investigation, and Vanderswan has nothing to do with Manafort's bank and tax fraud shit.

And clue number five was in that same warrant when they seized the phones and much of that warrant was redacted because it contained evidence of an investigation, quote, not part of the current prosecutions involving Manafort, meaning there are future prosecutions involving Manafort, at least underway are being investigated. Right, and not related to the real estate possibly? Not at all. Okay. Because not part of the current prosecutions.

Oh, that's right, yeah. Yeah, that is current. Because even though he's got the new real estate stuff, those are still the old crimes. Makes sense, yeah. But they're newer, they just recently happened. Anyway, not have anything to do with that. Add that to the time Andrew Weissman told the judge in court that Manafort's secret meeting But they're newer, they just recently happened. Anyway, not have anything to do with that. Add that to the time Andrew Weissman told the judge in court

that Manafort's secret meeting with Columnick goes to the heart of the Mueller investigation. And we know those meetings didn't have anything to do with bank and tax fraud. And the constant barrage of the no collusion by Manafort's lawyers, even going so far as to say that Judge Jackson conceded there was no evidence of collusion when that's the opposite of what she said.

And it seems clear to me that Mueller isn't done with Manafort. As a matter of fact, Natasha Bertrand wrote a piece about it in the Atlantic that dropped Friday morning called, Mueller isn't done with Manafort. And she'll be with us later for the interview to discuss it. So nice. Ready for some super space beans on this? I think there's Rico charges. I think there are Rico indictments coming from Muller's team

There may already be on the docket sealed two more sealed documents went to two more sealed indictments went up on the docket on Friday or Thursday Of course, we don't know if they're Muller we don't know what they are. We just know that they're sealed indictments Yeah, if you, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. If you want to know what Riko is, get our book club, become a patron because we talk about that in our second episode of it and we talked about this and seeing, I asking if it was something that might happen and totally, I agree. Yeah, and it's interesting that he's bringing that up now, I'm a cave in his book. Yeah, Riko's basically racketeering.

So anyway, remember when I was talking about Judge Ellis saying, you're just doing this to, you know, this isn't about Russian collusion, you're just doing this to get him to flip on Trump. Yes, that's what they were doing. That's why he was charged with bank and tax fraud shit because normally what happens is the prosecutor will come at you and say, I got all this bank and bank and tax fraud shit. You want to help me out? Well, the man of court said no.

So they had to go forward with the prosecution. That was that whole, and Mueller wanted it all to be in one case. And the man of court said, no, I like two trials, please, two trials. Trying it out for them, making it harder. Fuji is two trials, two trials. And yeah, and so Mueller's like, oh, all right, bro,

but that's why they prosecuted those. As he pledged not guilty, then he agreed to cooperate and they started asking him about Kalimnik and crimes of collusion and he lied. And that's why that's all redacted because they're trying to find, they're trying to do the investigation into that. And he blew up that plea deal.

So they're like, all right, fine, fuck it, get out of here. And I don't know if you guys knew this and I'll be talking about this. No, I'll talk about it right now. Rick Gates came in Friday for his sentencing update. They extended Mueller asked for another 60 day extension, which I predicted on Twitter the night before because I know Rick Gates is helping with the inaugural stuff, but he could also be helping with the collusion staff with the collusion staff. That would make so much sense. Because

Man of Fort was a no help. Yeah, exactly. The redacted element all of it makes sense pointing towards another case in the works. Yeah, because they said he's still cooperating in several ongoing investigations, Rick Gates. Not just one, several. So, again, I'm sure he's assisting multiple agencies with the inaugural investigation because he was the deputy of the inaugural fund, but he could be helping with Manifort. So those are my super space beans. And I think we're going to see Rico charges.

It could be one big Rico indictment involving all the players that haven't been indicted yet, all the targets. Or he could have several up there, and that might be why there's several sealed indictments on the docket. One for the stone, hinge, one for Manafort, in his group, one cluster of fucks. One for little cluster fuck, a cereal brand. Yeah, fuck clusters, yeah, with honey and oats.

Nice, trees and oats. Oh my god, oh my god, do you like your own fire? Yeah. And then maybe one for Zammel and the August 3rd group, Nader and all those guys, maybe one with the Seychelles group, Demetriv, Eric Prince and all that. Yeah.

He might have several. And instead of a report, which everyone's saying, oh, to be out on the 26, you can buy it on Amazon. Alender, she would stood the forward. Washington Post has one up there too now. But that report might be like, I indicted these people, I didn't indict these people, but we might see a whole

sweeping indictment group of one giant or a group of indictments mostly for Rico conspiracy computer for all those things I named crimes of collusion that comes out and that is our Mueller report and it wouldn't include Trump right because we still can't get him. He'd be named as individual one, but I don't think Mueller's gonna indict a sitting president So he would be just like Nixon, an unindicted co-conspirator. Mm-hmm. Hell yeah. I think for them, honestly, it'd be a more efficient use of their time too, if they could just slam a bunch of rico cases on them. Yeah, and like we talked about last week in the book club every time that you entide someone or a group of people, they have to prove their association with

each other and every single person has to have engaged in that act. So two crimes. Right. Two crimes, two crimes. It's all coming back to the Fuji's. Who by the way, Prasma Shal is part of this whole investigation. Oh my God, H.E. You crack it.

Because of the cutter investment authority, fucking him and ice cube out of a bunch of money. Right. And then them laundering it. So I'm going to go back and listen to fugees and look for all the codes. Connect in the dial. Two crimes, two crimes, prozmichel. Do I have that right?

Is it the fugees? And he was in that, yeah, I think so. All of this is going over my head. What are the fugees? It's a group, like a kind of hip-hop group. Like Lauren Hell wasn't it? Why read it? It's a drama in my pain with.

Oh yeah, totally. Two times, two times. Oh, no, no. It's great. I like the reverse. Yeah, so good but it was you know Fuji's mm-hmm lower than no short for refugees I believe yes because they're all like brown people oh cool yeah not that why people can't be refugees you know I get the picture yeah all right guys that brings us to the Shadden Fräder of the Week.

Shadden Fräder! Dad, do you know what Shadden Fräder is? No, I do not know what Shadden Fräder is. Please tell me because I'm dying to know. It's a German town for shameful joy, taking pleasure in the suffering of others. Oh, come on, Lisa. I'm just glad to see him fall flat on his butt. And the winner of Shaddon Freud, or the week, goes to Syvance.

He's the Manhattan District Attorney, the DA, who, as Maniforce's lawyer, liar, was bullshitting in the public courtroom on the steps on D.C. As he was up there, saying that shit, that the judge, Jackson, conceded that there was no collusion, Syvance dropped an indictment on Manafort for 16 counts of mortgage fraud and falsifying business records. So go ahead, Trump. Try to pardon your way out of those measly 7.5 years for Manafort. I don't give a fuck.

New York DA has him dead to rights on 16 more counts that he's already admitted to in his past two trials. Trump can't touch this with a pardon, and I think he's looking at up to 25 years. What about the MC Hammer and Clip Red there? He can't touch this. Oh, no, let's not do that. No, probably. I'll just sing it for you. Guys, and I'm sure that's not all. I'm expecting put beans on this. Virginia State to undietem, too. I wonder, maybe Eastern District of New York. I wonder if anyone keeps track of my beans, where they are,

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That's thirdlove.com slash AG for 15% off today. You'll be glad you did. All right guys, welcome back. So right before the break we were discussing the 16 new indictments for Manhattan DA sidevants. And this week a lot of you sent me an old pro-publica article with concerns about how vans took money from Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka, and at some point overruled a case that New York prosecutors were preparing against them for felony fraud. Remember when Don Jr. and Ivanka were lying to potential real estate buyers about how many condos they sold

and Trump so-hoed to trick them into buying? Like, we're almost sold out. You got to buy them now. We talked about this in previous episodes. Well, the prosecutors at the Manhattan DA's office had been building a case to charge them with felony fraud for that. Well, what really happened was that Casowitz, that's, you know, the lawyer,

and he was at the time the attorney for the Trump kids, he donated $25,000 to the reelection campaign of Sy Vance, and apparently Casowitz had asked him to drop the case. But before that meeting happened when he asked him to drop the case. But before that meeting happened when he asked him to drop the case, Vance had already returned to $25,000 to Casowitz saying, this isn't right, kind of a conflict of interest. Kind of.

And he didn't bring any charges against the Trumps because he didn't believe he had a case. He didn't think he had the proof. And six months after Vance dropped the case, six months after, Casowitz made a $50,000 donation to his campaign. Vance now says he's planning on giving that back to, but not until recently. He decided to do that. Personally, even if there was anything weird here, which there might have been, it kind of sounds like it, you know, it's, but it, it also was kind of typical rich people greasing the DA, the local DA. And I don't

think this has any bearing on the 16 indictments he just brought against Maniford. If anything, it shows that he can't be bought. Yeah, totally. And if you take issue with them giving money or him accepting money from them in the first place, Hillary accepted money from Trump throughout a lot of her political career. That's just, that's just New York, baby. That's just New York. Oh my God, I'm so California. Monday we learned that the White House rejected House oversight Democrat Chair Elijah Cummings request to interview Stefan Pasantino and Sherry Dillon,

both personal attorneys for Trump. Cummings requested the interviews with the two lawyers after they obtained documents indicating they had lied to ethics officials when they were questioned about hush money payments made to Stormy Daniels, Stephanie Clifford's White House Council Pat Chipelone or Cipelone. Chipelone? He got all pissy that Cummings directly requested the interviews without going through the White House Council and then he said that they will not make Pasantino available for questioning. The White House is also still refusing to

supply documents related to security clearances for Ivanka and Jared. Those are memos written by John Kelly and Don McGann, even though someone within the White House has already leaked those memos to House Dems in Congress. So lots of fights teed up between Congressional oversight and the White House. I'm sure the White House will keep resisting. I'm sure Congressional oversight will keep pushing. They'll probably be some subpoenas issued and will keep you posted on all of them. So stay tuned. The Miami Herald reported Monday that the federal court of appeals in New York took the first step to unseal documents in the Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking case and gave the parties until March 19th to establish good cause as

to why they should remain sealed. If they failed to provide good cause, the summary judgment, deposition transcripts, and supporting documents will be made public. And that's bad news for folks like Alan Dershowitz, who has lobbied to keep the press out of the case, and maybe even Donald Trump, who has been named in cases against Epstein. Prince Andrew is involved in these Epstein parties as well. And the US Attorney in Florida that let Epstein off the hook is involved in these Epstein parties as well. And the US Attorney in Florida that let Epstein off the hook is Trump's current labor secretary, Alex Acosta.

He's providing oversight for sex trafficking right now. Rose. Yeah. And recently a federal judge is handling his case said, well, a federal judge said that his handling of the Epstein case was against the law. Yeah. By not informing the 30 women of the deal that he kept, right? Because basically if you're the US attorney and you're doing a deal with a crimeer,

then you have to tell the victims of the crime that you're doing the deal. And he'd failed to do that, so he broke the law. And he's still somehow the labor secretary. Because Trump, you know. There you go. Yeah, most of the people in power with him is like, are still somehow in their position. All of them are still somehow there. Yeah, most of the people in power with him is like are still somehow in their position

All of them are still somehow there. Yeah, yeah I wonder if he's you know how like Nixon added a bowling alley and Obama added a basketball court and what a Trump adds like a rub and tug Little salon just a little Cindy gang. Yeah, or good days bow right in the West Wing, right off the White House there. Yeah, he's like, look, it's for the climate, all the car trips to the Rubin Tug places from Congress. It's bad for the environment.

It's a stretch. Yeah, dangerous. It is. It is five times a day. Well, speaking of Cindy Lang, the former owner of the Orchid Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida, she's apparently seeking to hire two

of Roger Stone's lawyers. A husband and wife couple named Evan and Karen Turk. The Turks. The Day Spa is where authorities have charged Patriots owner Robert Kraft and 24 others with soliciting prostitution. All this on heels of a bunch of photos of Cindy Gladhanding, pardon the parlance, with Trump at a Super Bowl party and a ton of other Republican officials and talking heads including Matt Gaetz, Scott Walker, Dan Boingino,

I ain't go Bongo. Bingo Bongo. And more, just all pretty much any Republican in Florida has a flushed face taken a selfie with this lady. Are they embarrassed or like, you know, fresh out there? She just complimented them. Let's just say that. And recent reports indicate Yang set up a slush fund to sell access to the president, a lot like essential consulting. It's fucking essential. That was Cohen's little slush

fund where AT&T and Novartis and everybody was given a millions of dollars to just get access to the president. She was doing this too. And she's also been known to provide allegedly traffic to women to businessmen at Mar-a-Lago Resort. So she's fucked and you can put the beans on that. We got a lot of Roger Stone news this week. Jordan's going to go over that in hot notes and stick around. We learned Monday that New York Attorney General is now investigating Deutsche Bank, don't you want alone? And they're ties to Trump projects. The civil probe was prompted by the public testimony of Michael Cohen and has issued subpoenas for loan applications. New York Attorney General has issued subpoenas for loan applications,

mortgages, lines of credit, and other financial transactions relating to the financing of Trump organization projects and his unsuccessful attempt to buy the Buffalo Bills football team. Specifically, they're looking into the Trump International Hotel in DC, the Doral, the Doral, some fucking piece of shit golf club in Miami, and the Trump Hotel and Tower in Chicago. This is all based on the co-intestimony saying Trump gave false financial statements to Deutsche Bank to support his failed attempts to buy the bills, Buffalo Bills, and lower his real estate taxes. Both crimes, by the way,

both crimes, Manafort's going to prison for, so we know they're crimes. Yeah. Don't you wanna plead, yeah? Don't you? Don't you wanna make t-shirts? Don't you wanna resign? And he's now facing the Manhattan DA charges

for falsifying business documents, Manafort is, and that we covered earlier. So the part of that real estate fraud that the Manhattan Diaz charging manifold with has to do with falsifying business documents. That's probably the time when he tried to take his PDF and turn it into a word document and change it and convert it back to a PDF and fucked up the formatting

because Republicans can't take. And the hits just keep coming this week because we learned in a new court filing Thursday that New York Attorney General, Latisha James, Tisha James, detailed her case against the Trump Foundation lawsuit, seeking 2.8 million and in order banning the Trumps from operating a charity in New York for 10 years. Yes, filing was in response to a submission from the Trump Foundation lawyers saying her initial lawsuit was flimsy and politically motivated,

uh, even though they settled and shut down. They had reached a deal, right? Cause in December, they did, they reached a deal to close their doors and distribute. They had $1.7 million in funds and they agreed to distribute to other charities under supervision, under court supervision. By the way, not like how Trump wants to probably distribute it to charities. But the agreement apparently didn't resolve the lawsuit. So she's going after him still.

I like her. I do too. And if that weren't enough, we found out that New York appeals court rejected Trump's motion to dismiss the defamation suit filed against him by summer servos, a former contestant on the apprentice. She said he grobbed her. He called her a liar. She sued him for calling her a liar. He filed a motion to dismiss because he's above state law. Court says, no, you're not. So he's got to go now forward with this lawsuit. I wonder how Trump keeps track of all of his lawsuits. I was just thinking that today. Yeah. Yeah.

That uh, yeah. Does he have his own murder board? I was just going to say, yeah, that's a, that's a weird Lisa Frank Brinder. Um, trapper keeper. Yeah. It was making me think too. If that sets a president for states being able to indict or not indict, but just move forward with a case, and if the federal government won't indict him, then maybe the state government will. Yeah. And they did actually use the precedent of Paula Jones versus Clinton because she sued him, right? And that was, I think, a federal civil suit.

And so they cited that saying if she can do that, then they can do this in the state court. And so, yeah, I think the more cases you get going in the favor of Trump's not above the law, whether it's state or federal, the more case law you have in precedent you have to move forward with perhaps Southern District of New York and Diting the President. Totally. So, yeah, Trump's, I don't know if he had a murder board. He'd probably have like a burn book, you know, I can see him being really petty here a Fugley slut. Yeah, it's Rosie O'Donnell. I love her, but he would say that. He would think he probably did

Drug pusher Then Tuesday we got deep cuts from mean girls. I'm sorry Then Tuesday we got Flynn Flynn status update early. We're supposed to not get it until Thursday or Friday, but Flynn's Lawyers asked for another 90-day continuance for sentencing, citing that he's still cooperating with cases, including testifying in the Bijan-Kian case coming up in July.

Bijan-Kian was the guy he lobbied for Turkey with, and he was indicted by Mueller right before Flynn appeared in court that time. The judge was like, did you guys maybe think about charging this dude with treason? Remember that? Yeah.

And the judge was also like, do you really want me to sentence you today? And they're like, yeah, go ahead. No, do you really want me to sentence you today? Like, are you sure? Yeah, no, we're ready, sir. Look at me again. Do you really want?

Just look at me. Look at me. And he's like, no, good answer. Go, go forth and cooperate. Love and serve the people. If I can piece a shit. So he's like, oh, good answer. Go, go forth and cooperate. Love and serve the people. If I can piece a shit. So he's like, oh, we need 90 more days to cooperate as much as we can so that you don't put me in jail

for more than zero days. I don't know. Mueller's team has no objection to the 90-day continuance, which puts the next update on June 10th, a full month before the B-Juan-Key-On trial starts, and Mueller's team also said, sure, we don't have any objection. Go ahead, but we're done with them.

But if you got a thing, go do you think, man. So the continuation was granted, and we'll revisit it in June. Matthew fucking Whitaker met with the chair and ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee behind closed doors Wednesday after being called back for being a fishy dick. According to Jerry Nadler, the major takeaway from the meetings, the major takeaways, there were three, are one that Whitaker did not deny Trump called him to discuss Cohen and to see if Trump ally Burman would unrequse

himself and oversee the Cohen investigation. Also, he was involved in discussions about firing US attorneys. And finally, he discussed whether the Southern District of New York had gone too far by investigating Trump's finances. So basically, he lied under oath. We'll see if he pays the price. That's what led me to wonder how much prison wine Whitaker could make in one of his big dick toilets. Quite a bit, I'd imagine.

Yeah. And that's why our midweek episode was called Big Dick Toy The One. And we might go with that again. Because I think it's seriously my favorite episode. I love that so funny. Also a great band name. I know people always say that, but I really meant it.

Big Dick Toilet One. Big Dick Toilet One, B-T-D-W. Ooh. T-Dubs, B-T-D-Dubs. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love it. And I know it's not good for search engine optimization, but I don't fucking care. Yeah. Or Big Ball Toilet optimization, but I don't fucking care.

Or big ball toilet wine, that's a discussion we had. Because we were talking about that, that toilet's not really for big dicks, it's about for dudes with saggy balls. True big balls, yeah. But it's gonna be hard to market. You have saggy balls, if I got the toilet for you, it's got a big dick come get this toilet.

Yeah. You're really kind of playing into that big dick energy at that point. Remember that's what you should call the toilet. Big dick energy? The BDE. Oh, that was before a big dick energy really caught on probably. Big dick it.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's true. I don't think he has that anyway, but I bet he has droopy balls. Also Wednesday the New York Times dropped a piece of reporting that a grand jury in New York has subpoenaed documents from two prominent smartphone manufacturers as part of a federal investigation by the Eastern District of New York. So not the Eastern District of Virginia, not the Southern District of New York, but the Eastern District of New York. Then they're looking into data deals that these smartphone manufacturers struck with Facebook.

So Facebook, again, data problems. They are already facing scrutiny by the Federal Trade Commission and the Securities and Exchange Commission, not to mention the Justice Department's Securities Fraud Unit over the extraction of data from over 80 million of us that they gave to Cambridge Analytica that was later used to influence the 2016 election. Facebook, you're in trouble. Facebook. All social media companies have participated in the Russian meddling.

Yeah, in one way or another. So I know that you all want us to get off Facebook, but we would have to get off all social media and then you wouldn't have access to all of our stuff. So we're working on it on a viable alternative. I don't see one right now, but it's active. It's an active ongoing search. It's an ongoing investigation. Rick Gates is helping us.

On to Thursday, when CNN got a hold of some emails from to Cohen, from a guy named Costello. And this is one of the lawyers that joined up with Rudy Giuliani and Trump's team right around the time, right around the time that after Cohen was rated, right? And one of the emails said quote, I spoke with Rudy Very very positive you are loved. He's talking to Cohen if you want to call me I will give you the details. I told him everything you asked me to and he said that he knew that

There was never a doubt and they're in our corner. Rudy said this communication channel must be maintained. He called it crucial and noted, how reassured they were that they had someone like me. Hume Rudy has known for so many years in this role. Sleep well tonight. You have friends in high places. P.S. some very positive comments about you from the White House. Rudy noted how that followed my chat with him last night. Okay.

It sounds like they were writing Cohen as if he was already in prison. We hang in there, but yeah, I'm totally like, mob shit. Yeah, hang in there. Sleep well tonight. I'm sleeping with the clothes, both eyes. Sleep well or sleep with the visions.

And then there was a horse head. No. Anyway, that email is dated April 21st, Earth Day. Shortly after... Just a glimmer of positivity. Yeah. Shortly didn't say happy Earth Day. And if it years brood. So that was shortly after the raid on Cohen's properties. So when asked if he was offering a pardon there when he was like, sleep well tonight, Castello said that's nonsense. I wasn't dangling a pardon. I was just trying to smooth over the relationship between Cohen and Trump because Cohen seemed worried.

Really? We don't have, yeah, we don't have Cohen's response to these emails. But the story, the mainstream media is missing here, is the part of the email that says, quote, if you want to call me, I will give you the details. Which to me means, I can't say the word pardon in an email. So give me a call. If I saw that and I were Cohen, I'd call them up and I would record that call. Oh, yeah, that's Cohen specialty.

So what do you want to bet? There's a tape out there somewhere. I would bet beans on that one. Maybe that'd be fun. Then Thursday we learned that Andrew Weissman is hanging up his muller hat and his DOJ hat and headed into academia. He's the number one guy. He did the Man of Fort K.

He's one of the prosecutors on Mueller's team. But no big deal, guys. Everyone chill. There's still 13 angry Democrats. And maybe they are nearly done, including that whole big possibility, the super space beans I put out there about all the Rico indictments that might be coming, they could be done with those, they could be on the docket. Sealed, done. Again, super duper colossal space beans. Don't get your hopes up on this, don't hang your hopes on this.

Right, it would just be really cool. Yeah, it would just be really cool. It could be that we just get a weird report, it may be it's blocked, then we refine, then we find some other stuff, and then perhaps we hear that maybe the truth I don't know I don't know how it's gonna go just because Muller is an investigator he's not a prosecutor okay but then these could be handed off to DC handed off they could be handed off to DC yeah just fall into these weird accents we're in Jersey. Yeah, when in Rome. That was not a New York accent. That's all辱. That's all辱.

You want to roam? Oh God. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know.

We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. We're good to know. And also not to mention he hasn't left yet and he hasn't given

a day he's leaving. So there's there's that we just don't know but I mean you know he's done so he's going home everyone's like oh how do you feel now? Number one guy's gone I'm like fine if you don't keep up with the investigation I can see how these things look like it's falling apart but that must be But that must be it. That must be it. Like, oh, he's leaving. You're no more on guys leaving. Ha ha ha.

You didn't find anything. It's over. They don't see the connections. Yeah, no. He was the number one guy for laying the basis to, like he said, try to get him to flip. And then that didn't go through. So they followed it all the way through. And now they get the shift over into their other stuff.

Yeah. And this all could have been handed off to DC. That's it. That did it again. Handed it off to DC. That's it. That did it again, handed off to DC because that's what happened with Stone, right? Mueller no longer has the Stone case. DC is prosecuting that. So yeah, way back in episode 23, really good episode.

You should check it out, by the way, when we were talking about how Mueller had given full US attorney power to all of his little underlings. Many mullers. So that they had the ability to just go on and continue their investigations without him. Yeah. So if he poofed or got fired or disappeared or got beamed up or like a rapture happened, I don't know how it really leaves. He'd be the first one if the rapture. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he would be saved forever. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And then we would get his shoes. That's why I'm excited for the rapture. All the free shoes. Yes. So, you leave your shoes behind. Really? Yeah. That's a thing in the Bible. All the free shoes. Yes. So you leave your shoes behind. Really? Yeah.

That's a thing in the Bible? Yeah, free shoes. Wow. That's really a classist just assuming everyone has shoes. Oh, it's true. Yeah. All the tombs left behind. There's like double tombs out there than those shoes. All those losers, super ball champion, t-shirts left in Haiti. I survived

familiar messiation. Oh my god, what's this t-shirt? Oh god. But yeah, so everyone's got full power of US Attorney and can continue with these. There's still 13, 12, 13 people left. Everything's fine. Don't panic. Don't panic. He's just going on. He's done. It's like he cloned himself really. Yeah. So don't be sad. Also, Thursday, the House passed a resolution 420 to zero, saying they want the Mueller report made public. That is astounding.

And I hope it speaks to William Barr about what our elected officials are expecting, which means what we are expecting. Of course, Lindsey Graham crackers blocked the resolution in the Senate. They're not even going to vote on it. So we might not be able to learn how many Republicans in the Senate want this report to be out there. But the Senate did vote 59-41 with 12 Republicans citing with Democrats to block Trump's national emergency declaration for his idiot wall.

We only need 20 Republicans for impeachment, so this might be a little hint. However, most of the Republicans that voted against the emergency declaration did it for constitutional reasons, not because they don't want a wall It's interesting. It's an interesting yardstick either way and I just keep thinking about the White Horse prophecy And I mentioned this at the top of the show and I'll tell you what it is again. Is it in our FAQ by the way? It's not that'd be a cool one ad should be in there. Mm-hmm Basically there we were talking about That's just this theory that

Mitt Romney this is way before the midterm election I said what if Mitt Romney gets elected because he hates Trump and he comes to Washington and convinces nine of his buddy no what it was at the cut the nine nine nine of his buddies at the time because I thought we were gonna win the Senate nine of his buddies to to vote to remove Trump from office after he's impeached in the house. We'll call it the Romney 9. And I got an email from an ex-Mormon.

What are they called? Jack Mormons? Yes, Jack Mormons. From Jack Mormons. Who said, oh my god, what you're talking about is called. It's an old defunct thing. They don't believe it anymore, but it's called the White Horse Prophecy, which says that at some point in the future, our Constitution and democracy will be hanging by a thread in great peril and a

Mormon man on a white horse will ride out from the West Into Washington and save the country save the democracy from certain death. Is he shirtless in this? I just imagine Romney just like, no, that's not Yeah, sure, but he's got his underwear on. Of course, the magical underwear. I should clarify too. I think Jack Mormon is actually just a shitty Mormon, not necessarily an ex Mormon. So this is an ex Mormon. She definitely isn't shitty. Yeah, like you're reaping the benefits of eternal salvation and maybe a planet of some

kind, but you're bad. And everyone's entitled to their beliefs. Yeah, they are. And I don't know what I'm saying. This is half a bit. So half a bit. Also disregard everything I said. Yeah.

If you're angry, tweet at tweet, Jolissa. What? They think our voices are the same. They can keep me in Jordan all the time. It's so weird. Yeah, get her the Mormon's. Get her. We're always just like, yeah.

I will say, I know a ton of Mormons, nicest fucking people I've ever met with. Oh, absolutely. Unless. And they have the best pantries unless. I want to hear this. Do you sure you want to go down this road? No, I really don't.

Thank you. I'm going to put your personal Twitter out there, if you want to continue. No. I do agree that they're very nice. They are the sweetest people. Unless you don't believe them. And then they're very good piano.

They're too sweet. They're too sweet. You're night. All my piano pushy. You're more of a woman? Oh yeah. I feel like a guilt in the room. I feel like though. I know. Sorry.

You guys are good people. Yeah. This is how we do it. We learned Thursday that Republican Doug Collins has been unilaterally releasing full unredacted transcripts of testimony and I'll be going out over that in depth with Natasha Bertrand in the interview a bit later. So stick around for that. Undacted transcripts of testimony, and I'll be going out over that in depth with Natasha Bertrand in the interview a bit later. So stick around for that. Unredacted.

Now, I remember Diane Feinstein, she unilaterally released the Fusion GPS transcripts, but she at least had the good decency to go to the FBI and say, what should be redacted? They did not do this. Doug Collins did not do this. He's such a wiener. If you ever watch him talk, you're like, you're just such a wiener. That guy. And this week in Republicans can't tack.

Imagine Trump typing out his letter about why he's going to fire Comey. Russia, I hate you. Comey, you suck. Cloud. Wait. Cloud lifted. You're fired. And then hitting print, but sending it to the wrong printer.

Cut. Cut to Gary Cohn's office where he picks up the letter. Cohn then takes the letter to Don McGann who then takes one look at it and says, oh, fun. Anyway, that guys, that story is from a new book coming out called Cush Inc. It's out on March 19 by Vicki Ward. So check that out. It's going is from a new book coming out called Kush Inc. It's out on March 19th by Vicky Ward. So check that out. It's going to be a cool book.

Then Friday, Trump tweeted that he thinks the Mueller investigation is illegal, and there should be no report from Special Counsel. Am I going mad or did the word think escape your lips? So Trump's tweets said, quote, so if there was knowingly and acknowledged to be zero crime when the special council was appointed and if the appointment was made based on the fake dossier paid for by Crooked Hillary and now disgraced Andrew McCabe and he still stated all no crime, then the special council should have never been appointed and there should be no Mueller report. So, logically, if she was the same as a duck, she's made of wood. And therefore, I wait for her!

Alright, first let me translate what he said for you because I speak Trump. Trump is alleging that since McCabe and others said there were no crimes known when the appointment of the special counsel happened that Mueller shouldn't have been appointed. He actually thinks you need proof of a crime before you start an investigation. An investigation is how you find proof of a crime. Simply stunning. Not to mention, everyone who has challenged the appointment of Mueller in court has lost. Mueller is batting a thousand on this.

Everyone else is zero. The sad thing is that his base will probably believe him, but that's not the most insane thing he said this week. In an interview with Breitbart, Trump said he has the support of the police, the military, and bikers for Trump. And it would be very bad if they have to get tough on his opponents. Oh my God. He's inciting violence again. So he's pretty much and he's specifically calling out to his military and biker supporters and police supporters saying, wouldn't it be very bad? Yeah. God. I don't incite violence.

What a dick. Wow. That's very offensive, I imagine, as a military member to be likened to the Biker for Trump crew. I don't even understand how there are bikers for Trump. He got the fucking Harley plant shut down with a stupid tarot.

That's right. Well, some Trump supporters and all people, I guess there's always a bunch that go against their own interests and don't even realize it sometimes. Right. That's just like had that speech when he was talking, I forget what city it was. I'm living with he was like, and we're gonna get rid of this brand of cars or whatever in that city had like the biggest factory and employing workers. But they know what they're doing for that brand. I feel like they would probably still be cheering. I've seen it. Yeah, it's weird. Why isn't there just one biker who just stand up at like Sturges and say, guys, Trump's

a bad dude is tariff shut down Harley. Come on. He probably just gets did say. Yeah. And then I get beat up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Poor guy. Just be one biker for Trump to flip. Also Friday, guys, we learned that the Russian oligarch, Darapaska, is suing the US treasury and manuchin, saying he lost over $7.5 billion when the US put sanctions on him, even though they've worked out a deal where they've been lifted and he saved hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars in debt. And he's demanding we stop referring to him as an oligarch and start calling him a Russian billionaire instead, claiming he's a victim over the fight over Russia's role in the 2016

election. But I mean, wasn't his job like politics? He's a victim. Yeah, when you combine being a political figure and being a billionaire in Russia, that's how you get oligarch, right? Isn't that the whole idea? Or are there some, I guess there's some good guys in the one. Just a criminal in the market.

I can laugh though. Russian billionaire, please. We don't say oligarch on this show. Right, right. No, we totally do. You're a fucking oligarch. He's an oligarch. Oh, I like that subtle.

I dare you, Pascal see that coming. Then Friday. Then Friday, for once, Trump catches a break and a lawsuit against him is dropped and Jelisa will have that story for us in hot notes right after this quick break. Hey Mueller junkies, a little while back, I got myself a Buffy Comforter and it's literally the best comforter I've ever owned. And I'm not alone. With over 11,000 reviews, everyone who has one agrees it's the softest and comfiest thing they've ever tried. And it's sustainable. Buffy is made from plant-based fabric and it's totally breathable so you can sleep at the right temperature, no matter

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It's very tricky. So I'll break it down on a Friday. We learned that Trump managed to beat the lawsuit against him that claimed his campaign assisted in the DNC email hacks, specifically US District Attorney Judge Henry Hudson threw out the lawsuit against Trump's presidential campaign that accused them of quote, conspiring with the Russians and WikiLeaks to steal emails from the DNC in 2016. The plaintiffs behind the lawsuit are Scott Comer and two Democratic party donors named Roy Cochrom and Eric Schoenberg. Oh Schoenberg is part of this. That's right.

Yeah. And the men claim that the hacked emails have caused damage to their lives due to the fact that they contain personal information such as, quote, their social security numbers, home addresses, and banking relationships. In response to the lawsuit, Trump says that his discharge of duties has been disrupted. Whatever that means. He can't get the rubbentugs. Yeah, there you go. His literal discharge is that the Orchid Day Spa have been interrupted. That explains it.

He's basically pushing the 1997 Supreme Court decision that says a president cannot be sued while in office. He's also pushing the argument of first amendment rights. However, the courts haven't been very receptive to that argument. Judge Hudson, on the other hand, allowed the lawsuit to be dismissed because, quote, the plaintiffs lack a substantive cause of action for conspiracy and have failed to plead viable privacy claims under Virginia law. So in other words, these guys didn't have enough evidence to prove that one, Trump was involved, and two, that their lives were fucked up as a result of this. So we're going to look out for a Trump tweet that says, totally clear to the president, thank you.

How? Exactly. This is where he gets tricky. No collusion. Yeah, I mean, he's fine. Can I ask a question really quick? Oh, totally. When it says action of conspiracy, what conspiracy is that related to? That Trump in the DNC hack so the campaign working with WikiLeaks to leak the information. It is specifically the working with WikiLeaks.

This court is basically saying we aren't going to be looking into whether or not Trump conspired with Russia to hack the DNC and distribute the information on WikiLeaks. Because they didn't present enough grounds to do it in the sounded. Yeah, they needed Mueller on their team or something man. It's not our chart. Because they didn't present enough grounds to do it. These do it in sounded. Yeah, they needed a muller on their team or something, man. It's a bummer. Yeah. Yeah, but keep in mind, the judge didn't rule out that there was no conspiracy just that the evidence they presented didn't prove it.

Very important. Yeah, I don't know if there is conspiracy or not. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't have brought this lawsuit until after conspiracy was proven. Totally. Yeah, absolutely. And he could, I think that some of the accounts were dismissed without prejudice. So if you, and I think he did that because if they do find conspiracy, they can come back, they can come back and say, up see, he did it totally.

It was him. Yeah, so there's a little window there, but this isn't just a blow to the plaintiffs. The media is really worried about this decision too because even though Trump won the case, he didn't win it on first amendment grounds, which still leaves a huge question mark regarding legality of publishing hacked and stolen documents. In fact, in a separate lawsuit by the DNC, they wrote, the legal question addressed here is one with significant implications for the press. Or the free press. Does an active publication that would otherwise be protected by the first amendment

lose that protection simply because a source is acquired unlawfully. So that's the big question here. Can the media sources get away with this in the future? I think media sources can, under the Fair Reporting Act, I think they're protected by that, which I'll talk about a little bit when we talk about the Buzzfeed article. But like when the Buzzfeed published the dossier, that wasn't stolen or anything, but you know, that's a fair reporting act.

But I can see where their concern is because basically what this lawsuit is saying is that the first amendment does not, because Trump was like, I'm allowed to distribute stolen documents because of the first amendment. And this judge says, no, you're not. Right.

The first amendment doesn't protect on you being able to distribute on Lothalie. Which sounds nice, really. But then I guess people are worried that there'll be no other way to get the truth someday besides leaking it, which is just a crazy world to be in right now. But it is still illegal.

Chelsea Manning went to jail for that. That's right. And what's his name? Snowden as an exile. So what's his name? Snowden, there's an exile. So, you know, we got a, it'll, maybe some of these new precedents will be set. Yeah. And does WikiLeaks, are they considered

like a media organization to our government? They didn't say anything. And would they be protected under that clause? Because it said that the question is whether or not media organizations are protected. Totally. Yeah. It would be stolen information. I think what they were saying is, well, that's what the media is whether or not media organizations are protected totally, to be stolen information. Yeah, I think what they were saying is,

well, that's what the media is concerned about. What this judge was saying is Trump is not protected under the First Amendment to distribute it. Right, just in general, I'm just saying, the statement that you said just about the First Amendment applying to media organizations. Right, I'm not sure if they would have considered them to be a media organization,

since they're not based here or anything. Yeah. Very true. What is the definition of a media organization. So they're not based here or anything. Yeah. Very true. Yeah. What is the definition of a media organization? Right. Can we do it as a podcast? Are we a media organization?

Oh. Or because we know that BuzzFeed can, that wasn't a stolen document. Right. I don't really have any other precedent to go by that. Yeah. I guess we'll just have to see them. Yeah. And I think that whether or not conspiracy as found might have a lot to do with, we might

see that lawsuit come up against puts me down that Mm-hmm. All right Jordan What do you got for Roger stone this week? Yeah, so on Monday stones to you filed a response to judge Jackson if your nasty is request on For an explanation as to what the hell he was thinking when he released two things that were a clear violation of his gag order The first violation was the who framed Roger Stone picture that he posted on his Instagram. That was clearly... Clearly. Oh, no.

Yeah, it was clearly supposed to push the idea that Roger Stone was being framed unfairly in the Molliprope. So yeah, not supposed to do that. It is hilarious to me though that he likened his experience to Roger Rabbit, which is a movie that was endearing to some, but mostly just creepy.

I liked it. And as a child, it fucked me up. I miss you Bob Hoskins. Yeah. What's the lady's name, the hot one? Just her rabbit? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, like also if Roger Stone was any character in that movie, he would not be Roger Rabbit, he would be Judge Doom, because he is evil. Oh, yeah. And also, never blinks. Oh, that's really good. That's really nice, Oh, yeah. And also never blinks. Oh, that's really nice. That's really nice. I know, right? I think it looks similar.

The second violation was him deciding to re-release a book called The Myth of Russian Collusion, which is Council was not forthcoming about because they failed to mention that the book had already been selling copies since February 19th. They initially were just trying to claim that it hadn't been released yet. Oh, and the beginning of the new book was modified to refer to Mueller as crooked. Oh, and the book used to just be called the Making of a President 2016, but they thought it would be a good idea to

change its name to the myth of Russian collusion instead because that won't backfire. Yeah, it goes for propaganda, I guess. Exactly. Although I must admit that it is a much more Hollywood name, that new title. It's much more enticing. The myth. Yeah, the making of a present at 2016 just sounds like the worst could book ever. So when they gave an explanation to the judge about the book, they said they were sorry about not fully disclosing all the details

sorry, and that they didn't realize that the new intro was going to be an issue. And they also said that the existence of the re-release and the money made from the copies they've already sold doesn't mean the court won't be able to see an impartial jury. They're basically like, nobody buys our book. Come on. We're not famous. He changes his level of fame based on how it suits his needs to court. He inflates it like they inflate their income or he deflates it when it needs to be defiled. I'm not famous. Nobody knows who the fuck I am or I'm so famous. I'm a fucking Roger. Yes, true. It's if a balloon was a criminal. That's what it does. Now, uh, that I log with most people I imagine, call bullshit on these explanations, but Judge Jackson on Thursday decided not to

change the gag order much to our dismay. And instead set Stone's trial date for November 5th. And get this, it's been reported that Stone's team has to review nine terabytes of information before trial, which one of his lawyers said is enough paper to be stacked twice as high as the Washington monument. Is that real? Yeah, four trees. You don't deserve this. We're gonna be here a while. Muller trees. He grows his own forest just for these purposes. He makes them with beans. With five the Muller for. Do beans? That's a Grotrie. No, that's just a bean scar. Do beans go through? That's not squirrels go through.

That's what I learned from Sarah Silverman. Yes, very good. All right, well thank you for that stone update. Squirrels go through. Thank you, Jordan. Thank you. Listening. All right, so this week guys, the Guardian got a hold of a new book coming out March 19th called

Kush Inc. by Vicki Ward. I mentioned it top of the show or not the top, maybe a bit earlier in the show. When I was talking about Trump printing out the Komi firing letter on the wrong printer. So in this book, some of our beans came true. Check out this clip from episode 18. The Daily Beast broke a story on Friday that Kushner's dad asked Katari firm to lend the Kushner's money to shore up 666 Fifth Avenue. We've talked about the 666 building. It's the office building that's the centerpiece of the Kushner real estate empire and it is one billion dollars in debt. And that

loan is coming due in two months and Kushner and his family have been scrambling to get money to pay this loan. And that's what the city group and Apollo, $500 million loans went into that office building. And Kushner's dad went to Qatar and asked them, can we have some money? And to put into this office building, and Qatar looked at the office building because he bought it in 2007 right before the bubble burst, so that was dumb. And Qatar went, no, no thank you. And that upset Kushner. But what's interesting is that when that deal fell apart,

Kushner backed a Saudi blockade of Katar, basically teaming up with Saudi Arabians to throw a blockade up against Katar. And Katar is one of our key allies in the fight against ISIL in the region. That's national security level shit. We have thousands troops in Qatar. But his, but he, but his not getting alone and now it's not proven that it's connected.

But it's, to him, it was clearly more important. But, but, well, whether he did it because of that or not, but he did, he did advocate for the blockade against Qatar. And it happened to be less than a month after Qatar refused to lend him money on that building. Interesting. So, we'll see if that. Also, yeah, we'll see.

Mollers looking into it. And also the Securities, the SEC, the Securities and Exchange Commission, dropped an inquiry into a Apollo global management less than a month after they agreed to lend Kushner $180 million. So go back and listen to episode 18 because it's all about putting Club Kushner. And I have a feeling we're going to hear a lot more about Kushner in the next couple weeks. Anyhow, in this new book, we learned that around that time, Kush was confronted by Tillerson and Gary Cohn, who blamed Kush for Trump's abrupt endorsement of a Saudi

blockade against Qatar. Even though they're an ally in the region, we have one of our largest bases there with quite a few military stationed there. Shortly thereafter, Cutter helped to bail out Kushner from his devil building, 66 Fifth Avenue. The Guardian also published a piece this week about Kush and how his friendship with Muhammad bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, is at the heart of U.S. Saudi relations. And as we know, Kushner, Flynn, and a whole host of Trump allies have pushed to provide the Saudis with technology to build nuclear reactor plants that could put them on the path to developing nuclear weapons if they want to enrich their own uranium, which

they definitely do, which is dumb because it's way less than half the price to get it enriched elsewhere and ship back to you. So the fact that you want to enrich your own uranium, uranium means you want to make weapons. So let's go over a few things we discussed regarding Kushner on the pod. First way back in April of 2017, Kushner's dad asked the cutteries for a loan and they said no, you're stupid. Good at it.

Two months later, Saudi Arabia throws up the blockade, much to the chagrin of Kohn and Tillerson. Incidentally, that's right around the time Jamal Kashoggi left Saudi Arabia after he trashed talk Trump. And then he started writing for the Washington Post that fall a few months later. Then remember when we talked about Kushner stealing intel from the President's daily brief about traders to the Saudi crown prince and he gave that information, he gave that intel to MBS when he took a trip to Riyadh.

That happened. That happened in the fall. And around the same time, Kush gets a $60 million loan from the Saudis. And in November, Muhammad Bonsoh purged all the traders to the crown that Kush told them about the month before, putting him in jail and stuff and probably killing him. It wasn't until a year later that the cutteries gave Kush his massive loan to help him bail out of the $666 Fifth Avenue property and shortly thereafter the blockade was softened. That's right.

They're not even trying to hide it. No. Now, we know that Muller was looking into the cutter loans, and we also know he looked into loans from Apollo and City Group to Kushner. Remember those two executives that he met at the White House and then got loans from? Not to mention the time Kush dined with the executives from Ongbong Bank, that's a big Chinese bank that was also considering buying a chunk of 666 for that venue. And according to the new book, Kush was rebuked by Gary Cohn for that move as well.

Something else we brought up in episode 18, along with the fact that the US had intercepted communications from four countries saying Kush was an easy target, including China, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, and Israel. And one of the crown princes even saying, he's's such a rude we haven't been my pocket. And as you all know, my number one pick for the secret company from Country A is the Cutter Investment Authority. And if it's not that, it's got to be any number of companies that lent Kushner money and exchanged for secrets, which is why his security clearance, which should have never

been granted, is now under investigation. One of the many reasons they didn't want to grant it in the first place. Incidentally, there was another filing this week in the Supersecret subpoena battle with company A, or the secret company from Country A, but as usual, it was mostly redacted. There were no new hints about who it could be, or what company it could be, or what country it could be, but we did learn that Scotus will be discussing whether to take up the case in a closed-door conference on March 22nd. So expect Kushner's name to start popping up in the news in the coming weeks.

To borrow a line from trading places, which I have watched again this week, I think the universe is about to heap a little more misfortune on those narrow shoulders. Hmm, we'll be right back. Hey Mueller junkies, today's episode is brought to you by Brumate, the fastest growing drink wear brand in the world. When founder Dylan Jacob, not to be confused with Jacob Dylan, lead singer of the Wallflowers in Bob Dylan's son.

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I was talking about a little bit earlier when you were doing your hot note, Jolissa. That immunizes a party for defamatory matter that appears in accurate and complete report of an official action or proceeding. So yeah, they win. Then a little while later we told you guys that the judge was going to unseal documents in that case. Well, that happened Thursday. And it was delightful, you guys. I have to say, it was fucking delightful. Apparently Buzzfeed hired some folks to investigate what the dossier alleged. Since they were being sued for defamation, if they could prove what the dossier said were true, then they aren't defaming him, right?

That's the thing about a defamation lawsuit or a libel suit. If it's true, you can't sue. And that rhymes, and that's weird. So the dossier alleged that Russian spies used Gubarev's Florida Web Hosting Company, Webzilla, to hack into the DNC. Well, Anthony Feronte, he's a former FBI and

Cybersecurity expert, and the dude, he's the dude Buzzfeed hired to investigate the claims in the dossier, and he wrote a whole report for Buzzfeed, for court, and that was part of the unsealed documents. And he was able to prove that Gubarev's company was indeed used by Russian hackers to break into the D.N.C. So this is amazing because it shows a whole nother entrance point for Russian meddling and hacking but also that yet another part of the dossier has been corroborated to date nothing in the dossier has been disproven.

So keep that in mind. Yeah, just waiting for that PP tape. I know it's 50-50, but I'm holding out that this is a solid report. Yeah. Or... We're liquid report. I don't know what pun works. Oh, that's dumb. I'm sorry. All right, guys, are you ready for the fantasy indictment league? Yes.

I'm gonna be a plaintiff! No, it is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be a plaintiff! A plaintiff! A plaintiff! I'm gonna be a plaintiff! Hold it! It is gonna be okay. I'm gonna be excited! I'm gonna be excited! I'm gonna be excited! I'm gonna be excited! Oh, that can't, it's gonna be okay. Just calm down. I can't calm down, I'm gonna be excited!

Alright guys, this week I get to go first. I'm fucking excited. I'm saying Man of Fort. I'm nervous. Oh man! Okay, okay. Somebody's gonna fucking indict him on some other shit. And I'm really excited about it.

Okay, who's next? I believe you, right? Oh no, usually we go in different ways. Okay, okay. I'm gonna go with Weiselberg. All right. I'm going with Fubrizio. Don't eat Fubrizio.

Don't eat Fubrizio. You need a poll? I got you. You need Fubriz? That was stupid. I always think. I think. I think.

Right? Fubrizio. Like he smells good. He must He makes teenagers rooms smell delightful I'm gonna go with a song For me, okay, I will do Sherry Dylan, she's one of the people she's one of the lawyers. Yeah, who might have lied about Stormy Daniels That's a muller related thing. She definitely lied about Stormy Daniels. Tyrant. Speaking of, did you see Michael Avanotti dropped her as a client?

Oh my goodness, really officially. Probably because he's gearing up for a presidential runner. Is he in a coma? I've actually dropped him, but... Maybe the headline. Anyway, I don't think an often I'd be gonna see it right now. Feel like Sater. Sater, nice to go in. Is that me? Yeah. WikiLeaks, please. Oh yes. No. Trump org.

Trump org, good one. No one did more stone. No, not yet. Actually, I'm gonna do Eric Prince. Nice, that's a good one. He's fucked. Yeah. My turn. I'm going to do the Trump campaign. Oh, wait, the committee, like the, yeah, that's the campaign. The campaign to all the president. Oh, we know. That's the inaugural committee. The Trump campaign is a entity. Not a guy. I'm doing

with the whole campaign. Okay. I'm going to go with Brittany Kaiser. Good one. Question, if we're talking Rico now, can we do a whole group and say Rico? No, that would be easy. That would be easy. Then I will do Donald Trump Jr. Yeah, he was going to be my next one.

Is that to me now? Yeah, how many do we have left? One. Cush. Alright. Now the Trump campaign is different from the Trump org is different from the Trump foundation. Okay. Three different entities. The campaign is the inaugural, right? No. It's not. The inaugural is a whole different thing too. Oh. The inaugural is the fund to pay for the inauguration. Yeah. I'll definitely have my fun on the red. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my pick. Okay. Cool. Trump inaugural for you. was my pick. Okay, cool. Trump and I, girl, for you.

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If you want to play, head to our closed Facebook group. Just search for what is it? Friends of Justice. If you're not a patron and you want to play and become one patreon.com slash Miller, she wrote guys are we I'm so excited. We have Natasha Bertrand back on. She's going to be with us in DC on March 29th as our special guest. And today we talked about all sorts of stuff. And I think you're going to really like the interview. So let's let's play the interview. And joining us for the interview today is the incomparable staff writer for

the Atlantic covering national security and politics. She's an MSNBC contributor. She'll be joining us live in Washington, D.C. at the Miracle Theater March 29th. Please welcome Natasha Bertrand. Natasha, thanks for coming back to Mollershi Road. Of course, thanks for having me. All right. So, a couple of things I wanted to get into with you today.

It appears that the Republican House Judiciary Committee ranking member Doug Collins of Georgia, I think, he's been busy this week kind of unilaterally releasing totally unredacted transcripts from congressional interviews from people including Bruce or Peter Struck and Lisa Page from last summer. So first I was wondering if you could give everybody just a really brief background on who struck page and or are for those folks who maybe aren't familiar with them, though, I think our listeners are. Yeah, sure. So Pete's truck was one of the top counterintelligence officials at the FBI. And he was the one that actually opened the Russia investigation back in July of 2016. He was the head of the Russia investigation in the counterintelligent side. And he's a really important figure because he was really there

from the very beginning kind of sounding the alarm quietly about the connections between the Trumps, the Trump campaign and Russia that they were seeing during the campaign. So that's him. And then Lisa Page is actually the general counsel or she was general counsel to Andy McCabe, who was the deputy director of the FBI. And she was also involved in all these very high level discussions about the Russia investigation and about which steps they were going to take in a very kind of unprecedented situation where you had, you know, the members of a very high-profile campaign, the next potentially Republican president being investigated

for a potential conspiracy. So they were there in the thick of it from the very beginning. Pete's stroke and Lisa Page were also having an affair and they were sending text messages to each other throughout the course of the investigation. And of course, simultaneously to the Russia probe, the Clinton email investigation was going on and kind of wrapping up at the same time. So a lot of controversy over that. And Pete Struck was also involved in that as well. So they were talking, there's exchanging private texts using FBI issue devices.

And when the inspector general of the DOJ launched an investigation to how the Clinton email investigation was handled, those text messages got swept up and reviewed. And both of them, while Pete's struck, was promptly removed from the Special Counsel's office, Lisa Page had actually left even before that. but Pete struck with removed it from the special counsel investigation kind of parked in HR at the FBI and didn't really, he wasn't really involved in the Russia probe from that point onward and then fast forward to last summer, he was kind of un-serve honestly fired from the FBI. It's unclear still on what grounds they actually fired him because there is no specific rules against expressing your private opinions and text messages, which they were doing.

They were criticizing Trump. They were criticizing Hillary Clinton. They were criticizing Bernie Sanders all throughout the election, but it's still unclear what basis the FBI used to actually fire them. So anyway, he left the FBI testify before Congress publicly. It was very high-profile, testimony, very contentious, and fast-forward a few weeks, I believe, after his public testimony or it might have even been a few days after his public testimony, he testified in private, and that is the testimony they got leaked by the ranking member here of the Judiciary Committee. So long story short, these are two people who testified that they were just doing their patriotic duty. They were working in good faith on this investigation because they seriously thought that there was a very, very grave national security concern that was posed by the people on Trump's campaign potentially,

including with the Russians. And the transcripts really reflect that. And so it's very kind of odd that the Republicans chose to release them and allow people to have this window and to how the FBI was actually thinking about these things. Yeah, and I wanted to ask you about that too, because I've read these transcripts, and now I'm trying to figure out why Doug Collins thought this would help the Republicans attempt to stone while this investigation or at least, because I know that these are three of their biggest punching bags or struck-and-page, right?

So this is like where there are one conspiracy theory floats around these guys on the dossier. But I can't even begin to like crawl inside of his head and figure out what his motive was because like you said, this pretty much looks, it's kind of backfiring on him. Yeah, totally. And we should note, you know, the president has been using this. He's been watching Fox News.

He's been looking at, he hasn't been actually reading the transcript, so he's been reading the coverage of the transcripts. And the way that they're spinning it is that both struck and page were kind of ambivalent about whether or not a crime was actually committed. But of course, that was never their mandate. Their struck is a counterintelligence investigator. the whole purpose of opening an counterintelligence investigation is to investigate whether or not, you know, potentially a threat to national security exists, not necessarily to find a crime. So that's how they're looking at it as well, you know, if the investigators didn't actually find evidence, hard evidence of a crime from the get go, then what basis did they have to open the investigation? And that's how the, that's why the president is saying that

they're, that the predicate really wasn't there. Now, of course, their argument is that, actually, we were so alarmed by the possibility that members of Trump's campaign were working with the Russians, working with a foreign adversary to, you know, on lawfully win the election here is what made us take this so seriously and what made us open a full-blown counterintelligence investigation, and that investigation, of course, is ongoing. I think that what the Republicans are trying to do here is they are, you know, they don't necessarily, I think they don't necessarily benefit any more from, like, kind of picking and choosing different parts of the transcript that they want to leak because people were getting very anxious and people wanted to see the full accounting of what the deep state conspiracy might be. But in the end, this really does not help their narrative and people close to page and struck were telling me over the last year or so, like, hey, we want our transcripts to be released

because it doesn't help this conspiracy theory of our Republicans in Trump that we were working to overthrow him or we were working to support his candidacy. Because guess what? None of us ever leaked it. Yeah, that was one of the things that stood out to me in the Lisa Page testimony. And we've been saying this and you've been saying this.

We've all been saying this for a long time because when she was asked if there was anyone in the, if anyone in the FBI had leaked to the public that Trump was under investigation, she said, no, then they followed up with, well, if the FBI were a deep state trying to take down the president, couldn't they have just leaked that information? And Struck had gone into this too, but this was in Page's testimony. And she's like, yeah. And she followed up with a reminder that the FBI is a hugely conservative organization. And so I mean, I guess that, you know, the Republicans could pick certain little parts of

it out like the part where a struck test texted that Trump being president would be fucking terrifying, unquote. You know, but he he he went into the context of that statement in his in his testimony. So why you would leak the entire thing is just beyond, I guess you're just kind of banking on them, not reading it. Right, right. You can say that you were transparent and that you released the whole thing and count on people like Donald Trump to still selectively quote from it and still spin it, which of course is exactly what it's been doing. But yeah, I mean, this is a really important point that deserves to be made over and over again,

which is that, you know, Hillary Clinton is the one who was really damaged by the FBI's actions in the run-up to the election, not Donald Trump. If anything, Donald Trump was protected by the FBI, now not necessarily on purpose. I mean, it was purposeful because they wanted to protect the integrity of the investigation, but it wasn't because, you know, it wasn't necessarily because they were trying to, you know, help him win. That was just the nature of the counter until investigation. But Hillary Clinton had the, the, the, you know, unfortunate experience of being hated by enough people in the FBI that they actually had to worry about the possibility that leaks would happen with regard to the new emails that were found on Anthony Wiener's laptop.

So that also was a major pressure point on Jim Comey to quote unquote reopen the investigation into her emails a couple days before the election. Now, that hatred and that disdain for Clinton weren't there in the FBI and if it weren't so well expressed. I mean, this is according to people who have told me that in the days leading up to election weeks, months leading up to election, people were telling, you know, top counterintelligence officials, make sure you get Hillary Clinton. I think that that was actually reflected in Lisa Page's testimony as well. That is really, really important here because,

well, as we'll all recall, Rudy Giuliani was out there in the days before the election saying, there's going to be something big to come on Hillary Clinton kind of teasing this, you know, new batch of information about her. That really was not coming out of the FBI about Trump, right? So, they were on the one hand conducting this very serious investigation into whether or not the candidate posed a national security threat to the country, while at the same time having to manage the anti-Clinton animus in the FBI to make sure that it didn't explode after the election and be seen as delegitimizing the entire process.

So if anything, we just need to remember here that the FBI, Elizabeth H. said, is a very conservative organization by its nature. Yeah, and how do you square Trump's whole deal with talking about the deep state and the FBI, when they in fact didn't leak that he was under investigation all with his assertion that the whole reason he fired Komi was because of his unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton. It like doesn't add up at all. No, none of it makes sense. And I don't think that they, you know, I don't think they care whether or not it makes

sense. I mean, just just looking at this from, I mean, I think it's really amazing also that Lindsey Graham is the senator who blocked the resolution to produce Mueller's report in full to the public that passed in the House. He blocked that in the Senate because he said that there still wasn't a full accounting of why the FBI cleared Hillary Clinton

of wrongdoing and why, you know, the potential physobiuses by the FBI haven't been fully investigated. I mean, it's totally, it's apples and oranges here and it just doesn't, if you're thinking that the FBI was really out to get the president, then you have to wonder why, why was there a story in the New York Times eight days before the election saying that the FBI had found no clear links to Trump. I mean, it's just, it's totally nonsensical and it really threw people off the scents, I think, who could have really benefited from knowing that this investigation was going on, that all of these, you know, Russia's election interference that we've been hearing about for months and months was potentially tied to the campaign itself.

I mean, that too, I think any voter would have been at least comparable if not a bigger deal than Hillary Clinton's email scandal. Yeah, specifically because Trump had said over and over again that you can't have a president that's under investigation. And also, we have to remember that when the IG report came out on Comey for this, we were supposed to also get an IG report on the FBI New York Field Office, and that has been held back for months and months and months, and you have to wonder why. The IG report on the FBI New York Field Office leaks about the Weiner laptop. There was an investigation done on that and we still don't have it.

It was presumably finished when Comies was finished or McCabe's both now, Comie. But we still haven't seen that. So. It's a total mystery and it's, you know, it's, it's, there were enough people in the original ID report that the ID produced about the way the email investigation was handled. There were enough people, high-level officials that expressed concern about the impact that anti-clinant animus and the possibility of leaks had on how the investigation was

conducted in the days before the election, that it is really surprising that we haven't gotten a resolution on that. But at the same time, the people who were fired by the FBI, for example, Lisa Page Peter Struck, for expressing their personal opinions and text messages, aren't necessarily the ones that want to push the issue, right? Because they don't want to make it seem like the personal opinions of FBI officials matter in terms of how they actually conduct their investigations.

So their hands are also tied with regard to how much accountability they demand of this. Because in theory, it shouldn't matter. In theory, you should have career agents, career officials just carrying out the investigation in a way that is consistent with the normal procedures and protocol. And that is what the Peter Strux and Lisa Pages of the world were arguing that the FBI

is all about, that they are trained to not let their personal opinions get in the way of investigations. And so if they were to turn around and say, well, look at all of the anti-clinton officials in the FBI and what was their impact on this this then they might be accused of the same thing. I think that the emphasis though on the leaking, the leaking by the FBI, New York office, to potentially two people like Julianning, that is where it gets a lot hairier

and that is where it's less black and white, right? So I await that report and I think is is waiting to be able to hold Ruby Giuliani accountable for that as well because he has walked that back. But if you listen to his comments from that period, it's very obvious. Yeah, it's pretty clear to us too. So we anxiously await that report too. Also big news today. It appears that Mueller has not done with Rick Gates. We had I tweeted out yesterday. I don't think he's done with him because there's just two, even if you're just talking about the inaugural investigation, which he was the deputy of, so they asked for another delay in sentencing. I think this is the fifth time, fourth or fifth time they've asked for a

delay in other 60 days because he's still cooperating, quote, in several ongoing investigations. So how does that square with all the reports we keep hearing that Mueller's done? Mueller's finished and his reports coming out yesterday. Yeah, you know, it's still really hard to tell. I mean, I think the interesting thing about Rick Gates is the extensions of his status reports and if he's sentencing, etc. It has been that he's been helping with multiple ongoing investigations. So it's not just, you know, that he's helping with stuff about the inaugural committee, which is what a lot of people were saying today

is possibly what's keeping, what's holding this up. It's that he is, he's helping with a wide array of things that perhaps New York prosecutors, special counsel prosecutors, DC prosecutors are looking into. And so in that respect, I can kind of see, you know, Mueller wrapping up and allowing Rick Gates's sentencing to go forward or finishing his report and with Rick Gates' cooperation with all his input while still, you know,

leaving Rick Gates' cooperation with other prosecutors his input, while still, you know, leaving Rick Gates' cooperation with other prosecutors in other districts open. So I don't necessarily think this means that, you know, Mueller is going to go on for another six months, right? But I do think it's definitely a signal that the core of the investigation isn't necessarily over yet, but also that, you know, the rookies could be very helpful in terms of spin-offs that Mueller has, that Mueller's given to New York prosecutors and DC, for example. But it's a very interesting development.

I don't think anyone expected it. I mean, I certainly thought that his sentencing was going to be set today. So we'll just have to wait and see. Right, and we keep wondering, you know, the Mueller investigation, Mueller can be finished with his part without the Mueller investigation ending. It's just not his. Right. I mean, there's 27 million different little tendrils. He shot off by handing things off and he gave full power. US attorneys to everybody working for him. So they're all just Mueller's basically running around. But, you know, I guess we'll find out, but finally,

because this kind of leaves into the piece that you put out this morning in the Atlantic, it's an excellent piece, by the way, it says muller might not be done with Manafort yet either. So given the news that Weisman is leaving, and he was really big on the Manafort case, at least in the money laundering and tax fraud stuff, we've been trying to find parity between what we know

from the public reporting, and what still has not been charged, you know, what Maniford still hasn't been charged with. We've been saying for a long time, I always thought there would be super seating and indictments or additional indictments on Maniford for crimes of collusion as he was charged by Rosenstein with. And I've I've talked about multiple clues related to these additional charges. And so did you in this piece and I was hoping you could maybe touch on a couple of those clues and how you see this playing out.

Yeah, so the biggest clue, I think, was when Andrew Weissman told Judge Amy Berman Jackson last month that the issue of whether or not Paul Manafort gave, well, he said the issue of the August 2nd 2016 meeting very much went to the heart of what the special counsel was investigating. Right. The August 2nd meeting didn't have anything to do with tax fraud and money laundering. Right. Right. It went to conspiracy. It went to collusion. And so for him to say that and for for the content of the August 2nd meeting to have been revealed only inadvertently because of a reduction Arabi Maniports lawyers and not because

Mueller's team put it out consciously and on purpose. It's a big clue that they were keeping that up their sleeve and that they are hanging onto that for something potentially bigger. I think that the reason potentially that they went after Maniports for bank and tax fraud and for an Asian violations is because they were expecting him to flip right and they wanted to know everything that he knew about the extent of the conspiracy

between the campaign and Russia. That obviously didn't work out because Manafort lied throughout the course of his cooperation deal. But what that also means is that it's still very much an open question. What prosecutors are going to do with the information they've greened, for example, from Rick Gates about the Russia conspiracy element that Manafort engaged in during the election. And so that's still a big open question.

And what for prosecutors I've spoke to you told me is that it's very possible. It's not necessarily likely, but it's very possible that Manafort will be included in some kind of bigger Rico charge, bigger conspiracy charge that will perhaps be leveled against the entire Trump campaign when this is all over. Short of that, Manafort could still be discussed in Mueller's report, which would mean that he still, you know, has, there will still be a full accounting of his role in a conspiracy. But either way, you know, you're going to get, we're going to have to get some kind of explanation for like, why did he give the polling data over?

Why was he talking to Kalimnik about a peace plan that would have been favorable to Russia? And why was he offering oligdar, Paschaasca the Russian Olegar private briefings on the campaign and did that ever actually happen and what's the connection there? I mean there's just so much left of the Pullman of War story and so I think that you know saying that he's going to jail for the next seven years and that's the end of it and Mueller's done and can watch his hands of it. Who do you think if the if you know the possibility maybe not the likelihood but the possibility that there's a big rico conspiracy waiting to be dropped on all of us. What office would that come out of? I presume it would come out of Mueller's office because that was his main job. Yeah, and this is something that, you know, Billy Glock's person I spoke to also kind of disagree

on. I mean, some said that, you know, Mueller, Mueller would, I mean, if he, if he, if he wanted to, of course, he could bring that conspiracy charge. The question is whether he wants to, or whether he wants to just leave that big conspiracy charge to like this unindistract or DC. But it certainly, it's certainly possible, and some people have also speculated that that could be like the grand finale, right? That like, maybe instead of a report, he could just bring a broad conspiracy, a repo charge against the entire campaign

and name the president as like an unindicted co-conspirator. And that could also kind of get around the, well, you can't indict a sitting president question. So it could go either way, but I think we, you know, I think that it would be unwise to rule out the possibility that we could see some kind of Rico conspiracy charge against the Trump campaign. Cool. Well, yeah, that's, I mean, that's what, honestly, that's what everyone's kind of hoping happens. And I would assume that if that were the case, that would happen before a report were issued and not after, but that could not be the way as well.

So I don't think you can issue as report until he's done. Who knows? I don't know. I guess it's just, as it's always been, we'll find out. All right. Well, thanks so much for joining us today. We're really excited to see you, March 29th. Again, that's in Miracle Theater in DC a couple tickets left for that

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