Jack - Bonus : MSW Book Club Presents: Russian Roullette - Chapters 1 - 4

Episode Date: April 5, 2019

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Like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. Applause. Hello, welcome to Mola, she wrote, we're doing a mini series on the book, Russian Roulette by Michael Isakov and David Korn. This is an amazing book. I highly recommend you pick it up. I'm A.G. I'm your anonymous host

because I know how to hatch act. That's what anything with me always is Jordan Coburn. Hello. And we have Jelisa Johnson. Hey, it's that. And today we're gonna discuss, we'll just get right into it. Let's just get right into the book

and see how it's here where we go. All right, so the introduction, even everything in this book is just so well written. It's easy to read and the information is boundless and insane. So, the introduction is a scene in the Oval Office where the Obama Intelligence Community is basically breathing Trump on Russian interference, right? Then they all leave and Komi briefs them on the p-tap, right? So it's all the guys like Brennan and Clapper and everybody and they're like look the Russians interfered in our elections, they meddled, they helped you, we're gonna go now and then Komi

briefs them on the p-tap. And Komi says, look, it's not been proven. You're not under investigation, but this could get out and I wanted you to know about it. Yeah. Because I'm not a dick, right? Now, I'm holding it over your head already. Yeah, no judgment. I'm judgment.

All these things. I would totally be judgment. Like, I would even be holding the report like by a corner in between two fingers. This is for you. Ew. So Komi leaves and then Trump is pissed and he's like, this is bullshit, he's yelling, he is incensed,

he is angry as F. And he got really paranoid. He started immediately thinking everyone was out to get him, everyone was out to undermine his authority as president. This was like his first active low self-esteem in office. Oh, yeah. That's what they should be called. Active low self-esteem Memor Erring of grievances and acts of low self-esteem

He thought Komi was out to get him like Komi was trying to help him and be his homie because Komi is a homie But he thought he was out to get him. Like, Homie was trying to help him and be his homie, because Homie's a homie. But he thought he was out to get, you guys are both out. Mm. But he was like, damn he's like, he bullshit. They're out to get me. They're all out to undermine my authority. I'm the winner.

Mm. Like, I can just see him like stomping around in a diaper like a, anyway. He repeated like, he'd won fair and square, you know? I won this fair and square. The Russians didn't help me. No sir, you know. I won this fair and square. The Russians didn't help me. No sir, you know, just a big giant butthole. So that was kind of the introduction.

It just sets up the scene for the whole book. Like, you can fun hole. Like, this is our president. And what's interesting is that in that little scene with Obama's intelligence community briefing Trump on Russia interference, the Komi thing, the P tape, the steel dossiers in there, Trump having no self-esteem, yelling bullshit, being paranoid, thinking Komi thing, the P tape, the steel dossiers in there, Trump having no self-esteem, yelling bullshit,

being paranoid, thinking Komi's out to get him, thinking everybody's out to undermine his authority and screaming that he won Farron Square, refusing to say that Russia helped him at all. That is a really good wrap up of everything, of a tiny little tip of an iceberg of just like this just the whole chaos. See a bubbling craziness underneath. Yeah. And that's what the rest of the book is. And it will go right into chapter one. So chapter one focuses on Trump's trip to Moscow

for the Miss Universe pageant in 2013, okay. This was planned by the Alligarovs Amin and his dad. He's like this. He's a singer. He's from Azerbaijan. He's a shitty singer And his dad is a terrible person and goldstone goldstone I don't think I was I wish I was I wish Jesse was here. Yeah, it was such a good episode I wish I was. I wish Jesse was here. Yeah. Such a good episode. Yeah, it just sounds like a Bond song. So this was all planned by by the Alagarovs and Goldstone, okay? And Trump was in on it to get a tower built and meet rich dudes and be around rich Russians and Goldstone and Alagarov were in it to get help

for his dying career pretty much because Lady Gaga was the musical act for the previous Miss Universe pageant. Right. Which is weird because Putin is so anti-gain, she's very pro. She's super pro. LGBTQ. Yeah.

Yeah. So, this pageant took place around the time when Russia was passing all of its anti-gay laws. So, I think it was maybe gaga-gaga-god in before that. Before that, like the whole, I mean, he was always anti-gay, but he didn't start passing the anti-gay laws until right around the time of this pageant. A few weeks before the pageant, in a quote, in the southern city of Volga Grad, a gay man's naked body was found in a courtyard. His skull was smashed and his genital scarred by beer bottles.

The atmosphere was ugly and brutal, unquote. I'm almost crying right now. Yeah. Absolutely horrible to think about. I really, that's when pussy riot became a thing, right? Yeah, like they were bigger on that time. And that was just kind of the mood over there. Even during the pageant, the NBC logo,

they've made it in black and white, so it didn't seem gay. Yeah, whoa. It's not crazy, and NBC went along with it. And is that kind of still how it is right now? I mean, it's was 2013, so it's not that long ago. In Russia? Yeah, absolutely.

Well, he gets really, and we'll talk about this more as we do more of the in depth book coverage But he has like super super orthodox Christian monks that advise him essentially on everything and and he's been noted to say Still disparaging things about Obama referring to him as the N word like wow He's he's not only and I'm I don't think people realize he's not only a very corrupt Politician, but he's also just very bigoted racially in nationalists. Yeah, yeah He's like an overall like super just because he trolls on the west That doesn't mean he doesn't represent a lot of the really bad parts

The West kind of a lot of devil like qualities like is there anything really nice about poo that we know? No, I mean he's no he wears nice suits. Yeah, I guess when you're like he's Dresdened so much money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He probably get really nice suits. Yeah, he's an evil guy and he's he's diabolical. Yeah. And it was the the the anti gay sentiment was so bad that both of the hosts quit. Everybody was calling for the Russia, for the pageant to pull out a Moscow. Trump was losing his mind like, but I want to make friends with Moscow. And he's like, no, what do I do? What do I do?

So the pageant was kind of saved when this openly gay reporter from NBC said he would do the hosting job after the other two hosts quit. And he's like, I'm openly gay, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna go, yay, and we're going. Yeah. And they got Mel B from The Spice Girls. She's, which one was she? Super, super relevant. Super relevant spice is what she, relevant spice. So the day of the pageant, a Russian offered Schiller, that's Keith Schiller, that's a bodyguard for Trump. Five women and Schiller dismissed the offer. Trump stayed at the Ritz Carlton and the presidential suite, and that's where the Obama

stayed the couple years before. Right. Then, after that, they dined at Nobu. I like Nobu. Nobu was going to be a judge at the pageant, apparently. Nobu was one of the founders of Nobu, obviously, he's the chef, and then DeNiro was the other. Okay. Danero.

Who hates Trump? Robert Danero was a judge in the Miss Universe pageant. No, Nobu was. Oh. In a me. Sorry, I don't know why I heard it. Okay. Thank you.

He's ducking in a me. Oh my God, you're adorable. Then after Nobu, Trump went to the theater where the pageant is held to do what he does at every pageant. There's a clause in every one of his contracts that says he can override the judges and dismiss any contestant. He doesn't like. There's a special room set up for him. His writer has white tic-tacs, diet coke, nutter butters, rolled, not folded, hand towels,

sent free soap, and the room must be a maculet. In the room, Trump watches the tapes of the pageant contestants, particularly gown and swimsuit. And he reviews. He's particularly. Okay. And he reviews, those are the best parts.

Oh yeah, well I guess. I guess highlights. And he reviews the judge's decisions. And he would toss out finalists and replace them with women he preferred. Some pageant worker said if there were too many women of color he would make changes saying they were too ethnic or too dark skinned. Oh, Trump. He loved Eastern European women. Obviously. He was also known to toss women out that rejected his advances. And if you're black

and you reject him, woo, good luck. He wouldn't come on to you if you're black and you were dragged him, woo, good luck. Yeah, good, good. He wouldn't come on to you if you were black. That's not. Yeah, that's true. Let's not be outrageous. So he'd just get angry at you for being attracted to you. Yeah. He would be mad at you for finding you attractive. Oh my God.

So true. He came and goeth in Schindler's list when he's mad at the, at the, it is, it is Jewish made for being attractive. So he speaks to shit out of her. He had to teach himself. Yeah, so he's never seen Shamler's list. I know, I was looking in your eyes like, you're a scary schedule.

I've never seen it. Yeah, we have to have a night. Yeah, we'll do him any so. I'm sure he's definitely gonna be like, that Shamler's list is just crying. How it ties into their, how it's about. How it ties into the Russian investigation. There you go.

Trump wanted to meet Putin so badly. He asked if he was coming to the pageant, like every five minutes. Please, please, please. He was almost in desperate. He tweeted earlier that maybe Putin and I will be best friends. I remember that. He waited for Putin's assistant to call. Like, like the whole, like just did he call?

Did he call? Did he call? It was just really, really pathetic. And people remember that clearly. Like, where's Putin? I want to meet Putin. It reminds me of that Carmen song. Like, I've been waiting all day for you to call me baby.

Don't get up. Don't get up. He would never do voice poop. You know, that's his true love. Oh yeah. Yeah, that thing. So, one's the right thing for singing. I apologize. Dining, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, crap. Oh, no, yeah, that's very crazy. The counterbalance is a spice girl with a pageant.

Yeah, it almost threw me off. Take a jigger out. You're like, who are you even? I don't even know you. I'm like, Carmen, Carmen, I'm thinking of like old like Casablanca like films. Yeah, that's hilarious. All right, you guys onto chapter two. This is called pissing off Putin, which apparently is very easy to do.

So this chapter opens with the poisoning death of Litvenenko. He's a former Russian spy. He was talked into tea with two former Russian intelligence officers in the UK. This was in November of 2008. Litvenenko, as he was dying, he said, quote, you may succeed in silencing one man, but the how of protest will ring in your ears, Mr. Putin, for the rest of your life. May God forgive you for what you've done, not only to me, but to

beloved Russia, unquote, crazy. That's pretty heavy. A British doctor figured out it was Pallonium 210. And that's a substance pretty much wholly controlled by the Cremlin Scotland yard investigated and they put a man named Christopher Steele on the case Because he's the Russia expert from MI6 and so as we all know Christopher Steele would come in handy. Oh, yeah many cases come in handy. Oh yeah. In many cases. Steel put it at about 80 to 90% that the poisoning was ordered by Putin or Patrochev. Patrochev is the head of the FSB at the time. He's

not anymore, but he was back then. Steel's allegations were later corroborated by an official British government inquiry, so he was correct. Yeah. The CIA in the US was given steals report and they seemed like Your problem not ours Not realizing we would soon be under attack by putting ourselves and Christopher steel would be there to help us So I'm interesting Now we'll shift gears and in chapter two and talk about the Russian reset This starts to talk about kind of what Obama's role was in diplomacy with Russia at the time. Right. McFall was Obama's point man on the reset and he was discouraged by Casparov. That's the Chess champion.

He's a Chess guy. Wow. He's kind of an anti-Putin opposition guy over in Russia, friend of McFaul's, chess gem, chess master. And he, everyone, including Kasparov, kind of warned McCall or McFaul, like don't do this. You can't work with Putin. I know Medvedyev is the president, but Putin still runs things. And he's old school, he's Soviet, he's Cold War.

He's from the KGB. Cass Proff said it would end badly and warned McFal. Don't do it. And turns out he was right. But he didn't know at the time. Bush had tried the same thing and failed. But Obama wanted to go ahead with it. And Hillary Clinton was in charge of it.

She's Secretary of State. That's right. So she ended up meeting with Lavrov. That's her counterpart in Russia in 2009. And she gave him a present, and this was so dumb. It was a wrapped green box, and he opened it up, and it was a reset button, right? It was just like, you know the easy button

from obviously Bowers, Staples or whatever. But it said reset on it in Russian, but it was incorrect. The translation was wrong. It actually said overcharge. That's hilarious. Womp, womp. Like what a doubt like who thought of that.

That was like that. That's a killer trying to connect to the youth. That's grandma Hillary and her crafting, you know. I'll make a button. You know, I think she's so clever. No, she's very clever, but not in that moment. Needle Point would have been better, HRC. It is, yeah. I also don't like the- That was a joke, you know. Things she's so clever. No, she's very clever, but not in that moment. Needle Point would have been better, HRC. It is, yeah.

I also don't like the idea. That was a joke, by the way, about people who used to tell Hillary she should get a hobby and needle point that really pissed me off. Yeah, she's just stabbing in the face with that needle. Exactly. Yeah. Anyway, so that dumb, that was a dumb present. It is.

Working in metaphors is not very respectable. Well, if she just wrote it in the right way, if it said reset in Russian, it would have been a cool joke, right? Still. Still lame. Yeah. Wow. I like buttons.

I got you a bow. He's like buttoned. And pop up cards, too. Do you like those? I love pop up cards. I just don't like the way they're. They're pretty fascinating. Sing it you.

I don't like. Yeah. So Lavrov doesn't like women either. He doesn't think women are equals. Oh. But they hammered out an agreement. They're not. We're better. Ooh.

Nice. Spicy. Spicy girls. Mel B. Hosting them is pet. Okay. They hammered out an agreement. Obama and Medvedev signed a deal that would allow the US to fly over Russian space to deliver stuff to our troops in Afghanistan.

They never let us do that before. Nice! Thanks, Obama. Yeah, what a deal. I hate to give Obama a hard time, but he was like really pushing hard to make the tiniest little deals and really trying to be over diplomatic with Russia. Yeah. It just would end up biting us in the ass. He had a lot to prove.

He really did. He did try very hard. Lavrov kept asking Hillary to give a guy named Dara Paska a visa, like give my buddy a visa. And apparently he asked all the time, like more than Trump asked where Putin was at the pageant. Dara Paska was an aluminum magnate at the time, and Hillary never acted on it.

Never happened. Let's see, Medvedev and Obama also signed an agreement to shrink nuclear arsenals, which is a pretty significant thing. So they did, I think, by 1600 a piece, like we got rid of some old bombs. Shrunk our nuclear arsenals. But then, uh-oh, the US intelligence community was monitoring 10 Russia sleeper agents. And the FBI nabbed them in 2010. Whoa. And we did a spy swap. That was a spy swap was arranged. That's what the show the Americans is based on. Oh snap. By the way, I've never seen it, but I want to. Spive first, by kind of thing. This particular spicewap in 2010. Oh, okay, wow.

And that, like everyone, the FBI was like, shit, what do we do? We're trying to get good Russian relations with Medvedev, but we just found these sleeper agents who've been here for a decade and we need to roll them now, because one of them's about to leave. Whoa. What do we do? And he's like, we can't afford to lose him.

You got to roll him. So they did, they rolled them all up Yeah And that kind of effed up the you know that's the sourd the Russian relations a little bit But we ended up doing the spice what? Do you have to do yeah later that your Bill Clinton would have a speaking engagement in Russia even though his wife was secretary of state That's a little iffy Confluent adventure. Yeah, You think so? Yeah. One speech was for Renaissance Capital, which at the time was promoting a stock offer from

Uranium One, a company that controlled about 20% of Uranium production in the United States. That's right. Rosatem, a Russian nuclear agency, was in a process of purchasing a controlling interest in Uranium One, pending approval from a US government agency that Hillary sat on along with eight other senior US officials. So that's where the whole Uranium 1 thing comes from. There was zero evidence that Hillary was involved in the deal at all. But Bill's trip to Moscow raised eyebrows about the power couple.

That's fair. I can see that. They were just really unaware sometimes that they're conflicts of interest. For example, the company chair of Uranium 1 donated $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation. Right. Can I point out that even though these are connections that I think are valid, that there are so many more connections

with the Trump administration, it's like, yes, Hillary, likely something shady, even if it was just like greed, something went down here. Yeah. And that's true. But also, Trump has like 10 times as many occasions, like with the Russians that, you know, are just as shady. So I agree, Uranium one, there's an argument there, but it's like your whole, like, let's prioritize our issues. I'm not a big person. I'm not a big one for like, what about is them, which is kind of when you say like,

I wanna talk about this issue and you go, yeah, but what about these? Yeah, right, it's from what you were actually talking about. Exactly, yeah. So I don't, I, yes, obviously the Trump administration has its issues. I don't think that that makes this uranium one deal okay. Right, but she didn't win. She's not the president. It's not more pressing.

Well, it is an issue. It's not because nothing was done improperly, but the appearance was really bad. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. It was not good appearance. And Bill giving the speech and then the chair giving them $2.35 million to their family. It's suspicious, yeah, it looks really really shady. And I think it should be discussed by itself and not compared to other A-holes that do worse. If we can just separate the chair, yeah, I think that'd be really good, yeah. Exactly. And that way we, you know, we have, we can argue on the merits of how it stands by itself mutually exclusive for many other event and just looking at this as

As itself there's no evidence she was involved in the deal, but it just looked bad. It was just it was just bad Yeah, so the deal was on the up and up But it looked bad and the fact that it's uranium freaked everybody out exactly This isn't weapons great uranium you guys They can't make bombs with it. Okay, and so all these right wingers are saying you gave a bunch of uranium to Russia It just sounds like they're right the optics and all that. Yeah, yeah, you can't this is your this is you to 35 you to 38 It's it's for it's for reactors. That's all it can be used for it can't be weaponized exactly It's already enriched. That's all it can be used for it can't be weaponized exactly It's already enriched. It's it's shut up. It's like it would be like it would be like if she if she

Helped broker a deal for oil or something right. I think Trump gets away with so much more. Oh, yeah And as a misogyny is it you know, whatever I Russia, I just think it's sad like whatever she did I think yeah think she should be investigated for any wrong doings, but Trump clearly gets away. Like, the sad is cool. It's a double standard. But I don't want to, you're right. But I don't want to be little the fact

that she could have done some shady shit here. I don't want to get into what, I don't want to go, what about this? Oh, you're right, yeah, just separate them. Yeah. When I tried to talk about Trump, right wingers always say, what about Hillary?

Yeah, I don't want to. Like, you can compartmentalize them, just address them as separate cases. Right, so when I talk about Hillary, I don't want people to say, what about Hillary? Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don yeah. It's, I know me personally and I know you as well and I'm not actually so sure about you because you're talking about it.

But, well, I was gonna say, I was a huge Bernie person. That was very open to criticisms of the Clintons and their management of funds and whatever. But that's not what we're talking about. You're right, you have a lot of opinions. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. No, and if we were having a conversation about who would have been an outstanding president

between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the answer is obvious. Yes. Yes. She had a billion years of experience. Of course. She's in Secretary of State. She talked to Putin on many occasions. Absolutely. And if you just talk about Russia, she visited 186 countries. Right. And she's an outstanding brilliant woman. Yeah. And you know, it's okay to support someone and also criticize. Absolutely. You should always buy Obama and I have an Obama tattoo. Yeah, it's real. Yeah. It happens. Yeah. So yeah, I think we've got like an independent. We've got a, we got a progressive and we got a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, you know, here on the panel. So it's, it's just interesting that I just want to be able to talk about these

incidents mutually exclusively from bringing up anyone else as a comparison because what anyone else does doesn't make what we're talking about good or bad. You know what I mean? Good points. It is what it is on its own merit and we could judge it solely based on what's legal and what's not legal, what's morally corrupt and what's not morally corrupt. Absolutely. Yes, Trump sucks. I think we could all agree with that. Definitely.

But yeah, so anyway, no evidence, HRC was involved in the deal. She didn't have anything to do with it. There were five other agencies that approved this deal. There's nothing weird or illegal about it. It was just weird that Bill was talking in Russia, and it was weird that the chair of this company donated to the Clinton Foundation. Exactly.

To make it look like they were like trying to give her money to get her to make the deal go through. But she didn't have anything to do with the deal. And if she did, I'm sure they've investigated it or they are investigating it. Muller is probably looking into it because it probably rose in this. And if anybody's going to find out the truth, it's going to be him.

Exactly. He just got bigger fish right now. And if it turns out that somebody did something wrong, he's going to find out. He'll find out. Yeah. And he's not Hillary's home boy. You know, he's just his home boy. Oh, yeah.

It's so funny. He's just is humble. But yeah, he's not limited to just looking into Trump. He can look at anything that arises. And that might be part of it. And I would feel like he is investigating this because it's part of this story. It would have come up in the Russian investigation. And if he doesn't indict anybody in the Iranian one deal,

that means nobody's been there. And criminally wrong. Exactly. The now-bing of the 10 Russian spies, though, by the FBI, added to the US helping topple Putin's dictator buddies around the Arab Spring was happening, right? Oh, yeah. And so we were helping topple all those assholes.

And that really pissed Putin off. So that was pretty much the end of the reset. Putin would return to power the following year, boosted up by Boris Yeltsin, met that YF would be gone, and we would be kind of be back to square one. And that's kind of what led to where we are now. Exactly. He's afraid he'd be next. Yeah. Yeah. So that's chapter two. Very nice. I love this. Great book. Is's so good. Yeah, thank you. And we're kind of skimming a little along the top. You probably want to read this book. I mean, there's so many just amazing details.

Lots of quotes. Yeah. The stories are incredible that are in the, that are some of the anecdotes are like, whoa. Yeah. Like, whoa. It's a Maya song. Another like 2000.

Yeah. Three years old. Yeah. See, I'm, I'm trying to get more current. I like 2000. Yeah, three years old. Yeah. See, I'm trying to get more current. I like that. Yeah, with my references. We got to watch more, what would it be? Like, Nick at night or something?

Like, shut up. Do it when I was a kid, Nick at night was like, Mr. Ed and Father knows best and believe it to be her. What is that? Oh, yeah, I know. Oh, leave it to be her. We'll have a marathon one day. We'll all catch up on everything.

Oh, on every pop culture to be very well have a marathon one day will all catch up on everything Geez oh on on every pop culture thing every single I love the seven years might be nice. Yeah, I think the 80s are probably better Okay, the H1's I love those CNN docs. Yeah, oh, they are you seeing the ones? Yeah, those are good. They're really informative Yeah, usually CNN's a little weird, but those are good. Mm-hmm kind of like the 30 for 30 Yes, you are so good. Yeah, so good. Yeah, yeah. We're the sports cast. Yeah, there's this one on the Chilean corruption

when they were filling the sands of the soccer stadiums with political prisoners. Yes. Yeah, isn't that crazy? For him insane. History, humanity. Yeah, insane. Yeah, it never ceased to, no one's ever going to stop

being a horrible person. Right. It's so shitty But for every horrible person, there's probably a muller. Well, what what sucks is that is that I Like don't know any of these horrible people, but they're right, but they're somehow everywhere. Yeah. Well, we're in a bubble I think I guess so a bubble of just normal people living their lives. I run into people Oh, okay. I do. I try to avoid them. I swear.

Yeah, I just dodge them. I guess if they had the resources, that's the only thing that separates them, maybe, from these people that we're talking about, maybe, maybe. All right, we're going to move on to chapter three. Are we here because Clinton texted us? Is the name of the chapter. So, Putin won the election, but he totally cheated. They were stuffing ballot boxes.

People got videos of it. Opponents were jailed. Hillary Rodden, Hillary, I just call her HRC. Question the legitimacy of Putin, okay? Right. Tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets in Russia and thus began the grudge Putin would have against Hillary. Pretty much up until for the rest of her life.

It may be why she's never won the presidency. Exactly. She couldn't beat Obama in 08. I'm gonna give her that, but it's probably why she's not president today. Yeah, what if we found out that Putin helped Obama? Would that change everything? No, actually, but the Chinese did hack into the Obama McCain campaign. Okay.

But they didn't do anything. They didn't weaponize it. They just kind of like washed it. They just wanted to see if they could do it. Got it. Got it. Just like a, haha, we did it. Yeah.

And we were supposed to go, Uchana, you scamming. Uchana. During our 2012 elections, Romney would say that Russia was the number one foreign policy issue of our time. And Obama would mock him for saying it. Right? He was like, you should have, it's Al Qaeda. You dummy.

I mean, they're both pretty. And he won that exchange because he was like, what is this? The 60s old man wake up. Right. Come on, kids, it's Al Qaeda. That's what we thought. Yeah, we thought Russia was over. Yeah, Romney was, uh, Romney was right.

Yeah. Because he had little Joseph Smith was bringing his ear to the ceiling. Oh, the dum, the fruit. So, yeah. I still got to see, book a more of it. Yeah, I saw it to see that.

It's so good. I need to see that, and I need to see Hamilton. Same, I've never seen Hamilton. I don't have 900 spare dolls. Right. Fair enough. So expensive. Maybe we need a go-fun, we are something.

Ooh, just for Hamilton. Send us to Hamilton. Just email, just down to, it's fine. That's direct relation to the podcast Yeah, just cuz you're nice, you know, but I just give the girls a vacation nice All right, so shortly thereafter The Magnitsky act was passed McFalano Bama were wary of it because it could strain Russian relations like Obama It was like I don't know if I want to sign the Magnitsky Act. The fucking Magnitsky Act.

That's past 98 to 2. Yeah, wow. I think the only person who voted against it was Bernie Sanders, because he said it wasn't stars. I was gonna say it wasn't enough. Yeah, that's how Bernie Sanders always votes no, because it's not enough. It's doesn't go far.

Yeah, I love that man. He's hilarious. So the Magnitsky Act was passed. McFall and Obama were like, I don't know if I want that. And then McFall later admitted he was wrong. And we needed the Magnus Giac to know. Yeah. In response, Russia barred the US from adopting Russian children and Putin began harassing our diplomats and employees at the Russian Embassy. He'd have them followed, he had them tailed. One of them had his dog poisoned.

Wow. One found his bird dead in his house. They would smear shit all over the inside of their apartment. Jesus. McFall was framed because they basically mobbed him. And then when he lashed out, the Russians got an unvideo and blasted it out on Russian media. No. Go and look at this terrible evil of American. Oh my god. McFall asked Obama several times to protect them at the embassy, but he didn't do anything. He told Carrie, the new secretary of state that Hillary was right,

and they were wrong, and the reset was a bad idea. Oh. And we need to stop. Yeah. It's not going to work, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And in 2013, the head of the GRU, Gerazimov,

he was the head of the GRU. He put out a Russian memo saying, this is our new style of warfare. It's cyber warfare And they had gotten really good at it over there over the years and this was their new arsenal Yeah, and he put out this memo that saying this is how we do war now. Mm-hmm. It's not nuclear bombs anymore It's this yeah, we didn't want to believe it because we spend so much time investing in the nuclear war that we thought that That would be the next thing and now we're like oh, this is already 9-11. We're already attacked. Yeah, pretty much.

All right, guys, time for chapter four. This is called You Don't Know Me, but I'm working for a troll farm. It just reminds me of that song working on, anyway. A coal mine, is that what it is? That's a really old song. That's like beyond me, even. Yeah, I was going Tina Turner. I thought that's what oh Today, yeah, yeah, yeah, stupid like Russian fascist

We need to do this parody I don't know if we should at all But Jordan you you got some really good info in chapter four So I love it if you went over it for us. Yeah, this is a really great chapter. I really enjoyed reading this. It opens up talking about the scene of Vladimir Putin sitting there at the Miss Universe. I'm sorry, the Sochi Winter Olympics, February 23rd, 2014, which for those of you that are

history with a pouty face. Yes, with a pouty face. He was pouty face because he was powdered face because he, the previous day, so every, okay, I would imagine our listeners are vaguely familiar with Ukraine and Crimea and in that whole situation, essentially, Trump, sorry, misspoke there, Putin was hoping that the Russia, the pro-Russia forces were going to take Ukraine. And the day before this day that he was sitting all poutied faced, that is not what happened.

Yana Ković abruptly fled Kiev on February 22nd, and then the opposition took over. So Putin saw this essentially as the United States mounting a coup to overthrow his ally and impose an anti-Pooten government on Russia's border. And now everyone was looking at him on the state thinking, how is he going to respond? And this chapter more or less goes through him responding in the form of international cyber warfare, not only the United States, but multiple countries. Yes. The UNEDO. He wants to break them all up. The Western world basically.

Because Russia is pretty big, right? Like on our map. It's huge. It's weird that he's not in power. They have like a Canada inside of themselves. But they have like half as many people as we do. True. But it used to be. It's cold and cold. It Yeah. So cold and yet, just completely desolate. Yeah.

But that's good for presenting. That's, yes, quite. Yeah. They were just, I'm surprised, can't, the Canadians are so nice. That's the only reason they're not operating gulags. They have, they have total gulag terrain. Oh, they must. Yeah, very nice. Yeah, very nice. Good to Canadian's day. But so there was a really interesting. It's not interesting. It's pretty much the position that Putin has taken over the decades, but Putin is basically just tired of the West humiliating him quote unquote. So he keeps seeing all of our actions as things that we're doing. He says spreading democracy is the equivalent of shitting on Russia and specifically Putin.

Pretty much, right? And shitting on somebody named Putin is hilarious to me. Your name is Putin. It's like that baseball player named Poo holes. Yeah. Every time somebody says Poo holes, I was just like, yeah, Poo holes. Yeah. Like every time somebody says, I'm never sure if that. Poo holes, I was just like,

nah, Poo holes, I had to laugh at it. Or when I was in the Navy and I was on duty, I just thought it was fun. 12 in my head. Anyway, this shit hole president. He really is. Continue with the Putin. Yes, Putin.

He's probably a Putin. I wonder if he's popular in Canada, right? No, Putin. No, Putin. No, no, Putin is weird. It is, you don't like Putin? No, no. Donnie Poutine. Oh no. Poutine is weird. It is. You don't like poutine? I don't.

Oh my god. He would say. He would say gravy. Gravy, cheese curds. Fries. It's the cheese curds. Oh no. They're squeaky. Yeah, I feel like it's just cheese.

Yeah, melted. Yeah. Take these curds away. Take these curds away. Oh my god, that's terrible. Please continue with the Russia. Yes, yeah, unrelated to diplomacy in the Middle East. So we got basically the situation now that is set up.

And this is the origin story of Putin's wrath against the West in recent years. Obviously the Cold War was the foundation of that, but but basically at this point we just get some good insights in this chapter on where exactly Pune Ted was at and how the intelligence exchanged between Russia and the US transpired. So there was a saint-like official in Moscow in the Moscow assembly that was reporting back to the an American official and essentially giving them insider info into all of these plans that Russia had to try to destabilize the West. And those correspondences

are laid out in this book over and over again and that alone is a great reason to get this book. It is so interesting. It really is. Yeah, it is amazing. So for example, they passed along the information that Putin's regime was crafting plans to expand its influence throughout Ukraine. That report came directly from this source. That's one of the things that this source was reporting.

So huge things. This person was an invaluable source. Oh, you're talking about the source inside the Kremlin. Yeah. That doesn't work. That's not a, they're not contracting. Yeah, they're not contracting. They're the guy. He's just in there and he's just telling us everything.

Yes, amazing. And he sent those emails back, right? They sent the emails back and they were like, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. He's giving, they talk about just how invaluable all of his information was. Yeah, but they didn't treat it as such at the time. No. They were just like, thanks because they were interested in something, but not the other

thing, right? They were like, yeah, I have, I think basically they were more, they're more interested in the details that related to Ukraine specifically. They were the Crimea and XH. Exactly. Yeah, and they were like, thanks for this. This is great. Yes.

But they weren't listening to the cyber warfare part of it at all. Exactly. They kind of ignored it. That was this is, there are several points in this book so far that I mean, I'm only about halfway through it. But where we miss a warning, the 2013 thing put out by the GRU guy, where he said, we're gonna do this. Right. We ignored it.

This thing where we sent all these emails back from this source inside the Kremlin saying, this is what we're doing with cyber. We're like, the pedestrian email. We keep doing it over and over again. We just kept ignoring this. Now it's below it. No one wanted to believe it. Well, we didn't think it was that. We didn't think we're going to be that good at it. I don't know. I think it's also just taking the next step further and the logical reasoning of, okay, let's say that we do not condone how he handled Crimea. And essentially, that was the first act of cross European land seizure since World War Two. Right. So that's huge that he did that. Obviously,

that's very troubling. Obviously, the US is going to have a sanctioned response to that. And then they're is gonna have a sanctioned response to that. And then they're gonna have a counter-response. But that counter-response is looking like it's turning out to be this very coordinated international cyber warfare attack that we just didn't want to pay mine to at the time. We were more concerned about the information that's in crime.

And then like we talked about two, I don't remember who's in another mini-sode or the main episode, but basically, just Obama had bigger fish to fry during that time. He wanted to keep those ties with Russia so they could have an ally in Syria, Iran, and other projects that were more important to him, I guess, than trying to get to the root of this cyber warfare. It's literally warfare as we go on to find out. Oh yeah, we needed Russia to fight ISIS. We needed them to help with Syria and we needed them to help restrain Iran's nuclear program. Yes. And we were getting that help and it was going pretty good and Obama didn't want to lose

that. We needed them as an ally for that. That wouldn't say an ally. That's kind of going a little bit too far, but a support in the region. Right, so those things. And he wasn't going to give that up. He felt it was more important. And then fun fact. So in early 2014, as the Ukrainian crisis was in the heat of it. Trump, Ivanka, and Donald

Trump, Jr. had been enthusiastically pursuing their deal with the Aguela Roves to develop a Trump tower in Moscow. So this is when we start to see their efforts come and transpire during all of this. Yeah. And Trump wouldn't say anything bad about Moscow. He blamed Obama. Yep. Everything.

Obama sanctions were making it impossible for him to get his tower. Yes. So he was blaming Obama for everything. Obama, he just like over and over again, saying Putin was a great leader, better than Obama, all that shit. You remember that shit?

Yep. Yep. And so the deal essentially winds up dying the first one. And then a year after Putin's invasion in Ukraine, Truton and Eman and Goldstone were guests to his office in Trump Tower. Yep. And so then we just fast forward to the actual,

what the title of this chapter suggests. You don't know me, but I'm working on a troll farm. This is so crazy. Mm-hmm. That is a quote from a woman named LeVoodmila Subjuk Why?

I don't know if that's correct. I would vent money if I'm not. My name is pronounced subject Subject? Subject. Subject. Cool. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, the audio book comes in handy for oh, yeah Pronouncing name. I learned how to pronounce Rebalovlev's name nice the guy who bought Russian the book yeah the one that we're like love like love ribo ribo flavon I like that rebalovlev nice that is that is reboot of love yeah it's a beautiful language yeah it really is it's a shame that such a crappy people in the country.

The people are probably great. It's just the dude at the top. Yeah, that's very specifically much like the United States. Right. The weird thing about Russia too is that like in their parliament, they have a group of people that are considered to be moderates, not even people that are anti-pootin because you can't have those people. He won't allow it. And then you have the rest, too. Yeah. And then you have the people that are just completely, no, fuck the West, fuck the US, it's all lie. We don't have... Yeah. Okay. Anyway. So this woman, sub chuk, you said? Sub chuk. Sub chuk. Sub chuk. Sub chuk. Sub chuk.

So she reached out to a local, she's working in a Russian troll farm in Russia. In St. Petersburg, yeah. And St. Petersburg. And she starts thinking, you know, the assignments that I have to do are starting to become increasingly fishy and sinister. So she reaches out to a local investigative journalist. Nensoff. Yes.

And the best part about this. Wait, no, I have Andre Shoshnikov. Oh, different guy. Yeah. Interesting. What's really funny about this audiobook is that they use accents. The guy who's reading it, he'll be like, around this time a woman working in St. Petersburg called a Russian journalist and said, you don't know me, but I work in a troll farm. I hate this place. I want to destroy this place. Oh, yes, and he they use access. I like that It's the same guy reading it, but he like does these acts in a lady Russian

Impressive. He does ladies and men and everything like dude. I talk to me. It's so They got the right guy for the job. Yeah, it's great. That is really fun. Well, she made that call though, man She does so and and she sort of starts describing what the conditions of this work is. So, she says that they're all in there. There's hundreds of Russians that are cooped up working. They have to do 12 hour shifts, and they were measured. Their work was measured by how many posts they filed, how many comments, likes, and shares their items received. So, these are essentially internet marketers that are incentive-based just trying to get as much influence and reach as they can. Hundreds of Russians. Yes. Hundreds of them. Literally working. And I ran into them

yesterday. I ran into some of them yesterday. That's right. Oh, I had not had any interactions with any Russian trolls before. And I had some. They were out after the Mikaib was a hero. Yeah. The hashtag Mikaib or hashtag Mikaib fired. They were all over it because I got, I never gotten these kind of responses before.

They all have around a hundred followers. They all usually have some bright happy American photo or a dog. Yeah, huh. An American flaggy emoji. American flag in their name is a hint. If they use emojis and memes and gifs a lot, that's them. Because they don't speak English well. They don't. And you can tell when they try. And I just got so many. Like, you don't know, you talk stupid. Wow. And I'm like, oh my Like, you don't know, you talk stupid, and I'm like, oh my God, you are a Russian troll. Get out of there.

We feel I feel so happy. Oh, we got to make that money. They're making their nine-spice. Just to fact, come out and be a ballerina or whatever you do. Follow your dreams. You didn't dream of being a Russian troll when you grew up. Come on, man. It's kind of scary when I think that these are scary.

These are like people in cold gray buildings in St. Petersburg like trying to trick me and if they don't get me to like or talk back to them, they'll, you know, they don't get paid. Are they in trouble? Yeah. Worse, I mean worse things could happen. It's a factory. Talk about what happens to the journalist.

Yeah, so let me jump to that. She met with them. She gave them a bunch of her videos and notes and told them everything, right? Like they have a lot here, whatever. Yeah, so she says on top of the fact that the messages she was being told to essentially get out there were those of promoting

Putin, ridiculing Russian opposition leaders, deriding the EU, insulting Barack Obama with racist imagery, by the way. Right, like the monkey pictures. Yes, exactly. Inflammation. Yeah, monkeys are cute. The bananas. So just an example of one of the things before we get to the gunned, the gunned down person. One of the projects that she said she had to work on, for example, was creating this character called Cantadora, who was a fortune teller, who offered readers advice on ghosts, recipes, personal relationships, and fung shui. And that's right, she worked in these special projects. Exactly. And that's what they would do in this special project.

And you know what this reminded me of all these trolls, like getting pictures of Americans and pretending to be Americans and coming on and telling us that we needed that, this is catfish. Yeah, we were catfished as a country. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's real embarrassing. Can we be on the show catfish? And like where we have to like,

awkwardly meet the Russians. I was just gonna say you to pitch this sketch to SNL before they do it in the bachelor. Yeah, they're gonna wear glasses. Flops with socks. Just. Dude, SNL catfish with the Russians. We'll write this script. We'll email it to Melissa B. S. Njor.

Yeah. I did shows with her. I believe it. She was really funny. So anyway, yeah, she was special projects. Yeah, and Fortune Teller. Yeah, so with this like Fortune Teller, for example, then, you know, they'd establish this base of people that just like this character, and then the character would push out things

saying that it's divine law that Putin is going to rule and start pushing. Yeah, she would fortune tell that Putin is gonna be amazing and he's incredible. And but like in between mixed in with posts, like you said, of like recipes and... Yeah. Like she'd be like, here's how I make my chicken Kiev. And I see Putin is the magical man of the universe.

Yes, it's insane. Yeah, yeah, my love for Putin is a secreting reading Next on iron chef. Yeah, but but so all of that shit happens I'm cooking with Putin. No, it's a near rhyme With poop. No, I like iron curtain rhyme. That's quite. You're looking with Putin. No, I like iron curtain shots. That's a game. I like it too. So, so the final straw though for this woman who is tipping off US intelligence about these Russian troll farms, she says the final straw came after opposition leader Borov Nymphstov, Nymphs, Nymphstovov, goddamn. Nymphstov was gunned down and murdered crossing a bridge, one block from the Kremlin. Yeah, this is the guy I was talking about,

Nymphs off. Yeah, it's pronounced Nymphs off. Nymphs off. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he was gunned down a block away from the Kremlin. He was. And the suspicion was widespread among Russian dissidents and in the West, that Putin was behind this assassination. Obviously. And she says that assassination. She had to lie about it. It was the moment she realized that they could kill anyone and they could kill all of us. Yeah, that's so terrifying. Yeah. That's why whenever I get a troll, now I'm like, get out of there, man. Yeah. Yeah. We got to shut it down. Yeah. This week was like intense for me, sort sort of because up until this point, it's been, it's just been like, yeah, we've been reporting on this.

But now it's, there's, it is like, it continues to be more and more sinister. Yeah. And it's scary. It's fucking scary. It's really scary. We do have a horrible, awful president, but we don't have Putin.

We do not. He's trying to be Putin. Yeah, he wants to be very, very, but we don't have Putin. We do not. He's trying to be Putin. Yeah. He wants to be, but we have a judicial and we have a Congress. Yeah. So, whoo, for now. Very scary. Very scary.

Very scary. Yeah, and they use those tactics during the Cold War too, like we talked about a little bit. This is not like it's new. It's just more a coordinated effort that's putting more money into it. Yeah, Dustin Formatia, it's an old Cold War tactic called active measures as a matter of fact and Russia has re-given, like it's been reborn on the internet, but they used it a lot like we talked about in the main episode, they would have to call journalists and

they would spread lies like CIA assassinated JFK, they assassinated Martin Luther King, they engineered Jonestown massacre Which reminds me my favorite dad joke. Why are there no jokes about the Jonestown massacre? Why is the punchlines are too long? Well, they had to wait in line to drink cooler to die. Oh, that's probably forgot what that massacre was Yeah, that was like the 900 people back. Yeah, the punchlines are super. Oh my gosh, punch. I love it. That's why the phrase drink, that's where the phrase drink the cool aid comes from.

Yeah. Yeah, so that the American Biological Warfare Specialist started AIDS that a congressman they talked to us in the 70s that this congressman was gay and a member of a gay club. They were like mean girls starting all sorts of shit about the CIA. So imagine that old tactic and you have to like go to journalists and reach out and try to do it that way, but now they have the internet. So all of your conspiracy theories against the government probably come from them. So that's it's just insane. And by 2014, the Russians had penetrated our state department and even the White House. Yeah.

Yeah. And basically, that's amazing that she was talking to any informants from the US, because otherwise, who knows how long it would have taken for us to get a more detailed account of what was going on? Seriously. Fun fact, what they were doing in the Soviet era, the equivalent of this, what you were talking about,

saying that the CIA assassinated John F. Kennedy, they called those active measures quote unquote. Yeah, that's what yeah, I was just saying that. Oh, oh, oh, my man. Yeah. I'm like, I got the circled. I'm ready. That's the whole now that one. What it's called. It's all your punchline. Oh, no, it's okay. It was just a way to wrap up everything. But yeah, going back to what you were saying about the assassinations. It's not so much to, if you want to indulge in conspiracy theories, you don't have to stop.

It's not like it was only Russia, but they were definitely saying that that's what it was. Yeah. So if you have a good time around the fire and family memories talking about the conspiracy theories of the CIA killing John F Kennedy. No, you know what? You have to let Russia ruin it.

I guess. You know what? Long time, man. Yeah. It was one, dude. I saw it on Mythbusters. I'm convinced. They convinced me.

I believe you. I'm convinced as well. It's just easier to say. Well, I think about MLK. That's the one that I really, like, do you think? Yeah, but there were, I don't think the CIA had anything to do with that, no. No, I don't think so either. I can see why people have criticisms that MLK was more of a

Sympathizer to the status quo But I don't think they killed it. Yeah, that would have been a pretty interesting People think people think that the government like like Control these crazy conspiracy theories. I have to, I promise you, I work there. We can't get a filing system together. It's not. So Noah Luminati. We just got Windows 7.

So, good luck you guys. When I first walked into my office two years ago, there was a Windows 95 for Dummies book on my desk at a Microsoft Word processor. So, let's not pretend that we are sophisticated enough to even talk to each other, talk to agencies. We had to develop an agency just so the agencies could talk to each other.

Good point. The bureaucracy is ridiculous. It's huge. We're not, I am not trying to say that the FBI, the CIA, and everyone there are a bunch of stupid people when I'm trying to say is that we're too busy dealing with attacks and forwarding attacks than to go out and do these weird things to make your life interesting. Exactly, yes. We don't have aliens. It's no aliens.

No, there's no aliens. I'm sorry. I was raised on aliens. I know I was gonna, were you really? Yeah, my parents love aliens. I love aliens too. My dad actually worked in the Air Force and he said they'll be here love aliens. I love aliens too. My dad actually worked in the Air Force and he said, they'll be here one day. Don't be afraid. If they could come now and selectively take people, that would be, that would be a better place. They can't find me.

I was thinking more of the bad people that would just take away. I don't wanna go of Trump's going. If it's awesome, I wanna go. You're not a bad person, I just wanna stay. Yeah. Can I also, sorry, this one last thing that I thought was really crazy that I didn't know that I learned in this chapter was there was an attack that happened on the White House

networks that started in the State Department and then spread and spread and spread until it got into declassified networks in the White House. But like White House networks nonetheless, they were able to hack into Obama's personal schedule, for example. So Russia did a cyber attack. That was so powerful that they had to shut down. They literally had to shut down the whole White House network and start from scratch in

some ways. And so people that were White House members, they weren't able to access the same shared drives anymore that they used weren't able to access the same shared drives anymore that they used to be able to, for example, they lost information, they lost emails, they had to literally just like, stop, yeah, I think because Russia, Russia literally shut them down in that way. Wow. And then Obama decided to not retaliate against that specific act because he said, well, they

got too much going on. retaliate against that specific act because he said, well, they, they, yeah, we have other priorities that we want to, you know, prioritize our ally ship with them, but also they went for declassified servers and they didn't publicly release any of the information that they got. So he let them off. He uses super easy. Yeah, he let them off so easy. There's another one that was an indication that we just kind of

Let go. So anyway, guys. Thank you. That's chapter four. And I love that chapter. Yeah, it was really good It just makes my heart like melt for these Russian trolls. Yeah, seriously. All right. Thanks for listening I I've enjoyed this book so much. I really recommend you guys pick it up I'm loving reading it. So anyway, uh, this is Mola Shirout. Join us next time for the next installment of Russian Roulette, the book report. I guess I want to make a diorama. I like it. That would be the scariest diorama ever. There would be poise innings and all sorts of pull out like tea party, like little Russian tea party. Oh tea party. We could have Rick Perry dancing. I don't even know. Very nice.

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