Jack - Cohen’s Smocking Gun (feat. Elizabeth McLaughlin & Virginia Heffernan)

Episode Date: December 17, 2018

Ep #59 - At long last, joining us this week is Elizabeth McLaughlin (from Resistance Live) and Virginia Heffernan (from Slate's Trumpcast)! Plus, Jordan is going to be discussing the lawsuit against the FBI for leaking sensitive information to Rudy Giuliani, Jaleesa will be following up on last week's "Racial Maddow" story, and AG will be going over the Cohen news of the week. Enjoy!

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for just 99 cents. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously what the opposition is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time, a two in that campaign, and I didn't have, not have communications with the Russians.

What do I have to get involved with, who I have nothing to do with, who I've never spoken to, I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.

So it is political. You're a communist. No, Mr. Green, communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller She Road. I'm your host, A.G. with me as always is the incomparable, Jolissa Johnson. Hello. And the sexy vocal stylings of Jordan Coburn. Hello.

I'm happy to announce the news slowed way down this week. We only had one target letter for an indictment, one cooperation agreement, a lawsuit against Giuliani, another course he melt down, pop it up running for Congress, unceiling part of the dossier, findings from the struck tasks, oops texts, a referendum on Kashoggi, a Trump-packed drunk scrutiny, from the Struck Tests, oops, texts, a referended Monica Shoji, a Trump-packed, drunk scrutiny,

Packer's Papers flipping, a Chicago Alderman raid, another attorney general that should probably recuse himself, a DC appellate court blackout for a secret subpoena battle, one guilty plea, four complaints of harassment at a Trump golf club, three obstructions of justice,

two inaugural fun scandals, and a threat to shut down the government. Oh my God. Thank you. That was incredible. Thank you. We'll be back next week. Impressive. Yeah, that's all what you do for now on just in song. Just sing it. Yeah. I like it. Did you practice with the cats or the pup? No, no, no, no. That text part got away from me, but that's okay. It's stressful. It's awful. We have some amazing guests for you this week, including Elizabeth McLaughlin from Resistance Live and from Slates Trumpcast and the LA Times, the incomparable Virginia Heffernen.

Jordan is going to be discussing the lawsuit against the FBI, New York Field Office for leaking sensitive information to Rudy Giuliani. And Jalice is going to be reporting on the New York Post story about the New Jersey Attorney General probing Trump's golf club after undocumented maids claim racially charged harassment and threats. I'll be going over the Cohen news for the week. But first, I want to thank somebody

sent us a giant box of beans from Rancho Gordo. It's a comically large amount of beans. It's like 12 bags of beans. It's a lot of beans. And then like boxes with spices and stuff. But these are like apparently the most premium beans you can buy in the universe. And I still don't know who sent them. I do.

Oh my gosh, who was it? It was President Joe Provo on Twitter as J. Pervo. Oh my gosh. Yeah was it? It was President Joe Provo on Twitter as Jay Provo. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so thank you for that, Joe. Mr. Provo. My new favorite president. We'll second. Do you eat beans, Cholisa?

No. I think she puts us in a vegetable category. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, so we have one of vegetarian and one person who will not eat vegetables. Only me. And then I eat whatever is in front of my face So it all works out sort of except for the people who have to deal with our writer

Also shout out to Maya Wiley who we've just been referring to is that beautiful lawyer lady No offense intended there. She's just been that lovely lawyer later. She's a smart incredible lawyer lady Her name is Maya Wiley, she is a person. And she's the one who talked Numburg off the cliff. Remember when Numburg got all drunk and high and long? One air? Yeah, yeah. We have full Numburg, yeah, yeah.

And she's the one who's like, dude, don't do that. You'll go to jail. And he's like, you really? Has anyone checked up on him lately? Did your lawyers not tell you that? Yeah, I don't know. I feel like Maya might check up on him. She seems really sweet like that. I saw that picture of Arty Lang this week. I thought it was him lately. Did your lawyers not tell you that? Yeah, I don't know. I feel like Maya might check up on him. She seems really sweet like that.

I saw that picture of Arty Lang this week. I thought it was him, but it's not. Dude, Arty's been having a Twitter map. This is like Twitter meltdown week. Well, Trump had one too. That was pretty fun today. Yeah, we should have one. We do, now let's not do that.

We do have some corrections from last week. I'm mistakenly referred to Mike Flynn as an admiral. He's actually an army general. Sorry about that. As a veteran, I should know, but frankly, I don't give a shit about Mike Flynn. He's actually an army general. Sorry about that as a veteran I should know but frankly, I don't give a shit about Mike Flynn He's a trader and he should be held to a higher standard the end Though I appreciate the need for Mueller to set an example that cooperating witnesses get leniency so I get it

But oh fuck that guy also in our book club episode for patrons We said the BMW plant was in North Carolina. I've been told it's actually in South Carolina. Oops, that was me. I wasn't gonna say it, but when I was in junior year, I was gonna take the bullet for you, man. Thanks, my bad. Sorry, South Carolina, the carer Rainer. It's cool.

I just said like the Kim Jong Un puppet in Team America will be the bad Damon. All right, well, sorry. With all that out of the way, we have a ton of news to get to. So let's jump in with just the facts. All right, guys, we're going to have to go all the way back to Sunday for a story that dropped about Jerome Corsi. As you may know, Corsi is a stone associate,

and he's one of the architects of the Bertha movement questioning the citizenship of Barack Obama. He's currently pulling a half-noneberg by resisting a subpoena by Mueller and the Senate. And late Sunday night he fought a lawsuit against Mueller accusing him of constitutional violations and leaking grand jury secrets. It also accuses Mueller of badgering coursey into giving false testimony that he was one of the cutouts between Roger Stone and WikiLeaks. Never mind that Mueller has the emails. He wrote back and forth between Roger Stone and Ted Malek, a guy in London who he was

using to contact Assange from WikiLeaks while he was holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy. Remember that? He's still there with his cat. Yeah. How many times do people try to do that now? Discount prosecution against them on a kind of Mueller being like, you know, illegally operating? You got Miller a couple of times. There's at least like four right now.

Yeah. Yeah, every single filing like that challenging his constitutionality they've lost. Mueller's still batting a thousand on there. Of course, he was also a guy who released his draft plea agreement that Mueller gave him, offering no jail time from Mueller in exchange for his testimony, corroborating the email and documentary evidence he already has. Jordan, I thought he would go full nunburg and cave to the grand jury, Sapena,

but he clearly has lost his mind. The suit goes on to blame Mueller for the leaks to the press about his case. When Corsi is the one who released his draft plea agreement, not to mention the numerous sit down television interviews Corsi has done. He's absolutely insane. We'll keep you posted on how this suit goes. And if he even or ever gives into a plea agreement,

though presumably Mueller wouldn't offer him the same deal now. I wouldn't. I'd be like, too late. Yeah, no, no way. Then Monday, on PR reported that it had appeared, Maria Bhutna, I've been saying Bhutna, apparently it's Bhutna. Yeah, the whole news like is doing that now. Bhutna. Yeah, Bhutna. Well, we saying Bhutna, apparently it's Bhutna. Yeah, the whole news like, is doing that now, Bhutna. Yeah, Bhutna.

What we call a Mueller when we first started, so true. Yeah, yeah. We have Bhutna, correct. Anyway, NPR reported that she was gonna change her plea from not guilty to guilty, and on Wednesday, she obliged. So congrats to everyone that had a Bhutna, sorry, a Bhutna plea agreement on their fantasy indictment league. I changed my pick from a coursey plea agreement to a boutonniply agreement.

The minute the news drops Sunday night about Corsi's lawsuit and not only did Bhutan agree to plead guilty to one of the two counts she was initially charged with, but she's signed a cooperation agreement. And this is amazing. A Russian has agreed to work on behalf of US intelligence and law enforcement. And what's amazing about it is that one of the last paragraphs of the deal says that she will be deported back to Russia when the government is done with her. And at first I thought they'd probably disappear butina when she got back to Russia, but

Russian state television is now accusing the United States law enforcement prosecutors of torturing her. Despite her defense lawyer asserting she's in great mental health. So she may return to Russia the way Anna Chapman did as a hero. And Anna Chapman was one of those 10 Russian spies living in the US working to undermine US intelligence and US government. And they were all caught by Peter Struck, by the way.

Now the agreement and the plea itself, it doesn't have a lot of new information guys. I'll be honest. If you're an MSW listener, you've heard all this. It mostly mirrors the charging document. We broke down in detail a few months ago when she pleaded not guilty. We know she wrote a whole plan to infiltrate the NRA. We know that Paul Erickson, her Republican boyfriend, Beauty and the Beast guy, helped her write the plan, yeah, her NRA beard. We knew she arranged the prayer breakfast at the end of 2015 trip of NRA officials to Moscow, which included several high ranking NRA officials like the president and the soon to be president. It was the Milwaukee nutcase sheriff, David Clark was there, the guy who wears all the

flare and the guy from the outdoor network, the CEO of that. So there's not much there we didn't know about, but now she's cooperating with the government, and she'll be testifying to the grand jury in this case. It's important to note, though, that her case is not part of the Mueller investigation. This is just a separate and ongoing probe into Russian infiltration, into the Republican party

through wedge issue groups, like the NRA, religious groups, anti-LGBTQ plus activist groups. And we'll be keeping a close eye on the Red Devil. So we'll keep you posted. Yes, starring Angela Jolie, I'm sure. Red beans. Yeah, right. Red beans.

Also, Monday, we learned that a watchdog group is suing the New York FBI field office for leaking to Rudy Giuliani. And Jordan is going to tell us about that later in the show Tuesday. There was a hearing for Manafort where we expected his defense to push back against the Mueller breach of plea filing, outlining all the lies he told after his cooperation agreement that came out last Friday. But Manafort's lawyers didn't seem to know where the case was going. And that's really how to character for a defense. So it was really odd.

Maybe there were further communications with prosecutors because of what was outlined in the Mueller filing that could implicate Manafort and his lawyers for communicating with Trump and his legal team after the plea agreement was reached or maybe they're realizing all the additional charges for crimes of collusion that Manafort phases but I figure he would have known that before. But either way Manafort's breach of plea hearing will happen January 25th. And something's weird. I don't know what it is, but some things, they're not fighting it like a normal defense team would fight it. So we'll let you know. They said nothing. They filed

nothing in response. Well, they were it added hearing physically there. And they're like, Hey, hey, how's it going? The judges like, what do you want to do there and they're like, hey, hey, how's it going? The judges are like, what do you wanna do? And they're like, we don't know yet. We're figuring it out. They're just like, don't move. Cause every time the move, he does something illegal. And it just adds another thing down the line.

Everything he does, everything that comes out of their mouth is just a lie that is like punishable by law. It's insane. Probably the first guy in history that has to wear ankle monitors in jail. That's insane probably the first guy in history that has to wear ankle monitors in jail Crimes upon crime no spoons for Maniford and something I'm dying to know about Maniford is that $125,000 debt payment mentioned in Mueller's breach of plea filing last week Everyone started to skip over that part

But as we know every word in Mueller filings are deliberate, right? They have purpose. And the language is, here's the language from the document, quote, after signing the plea agreement, Manifort lied about a $125,000 payment made toward a debt incurred by Manifort to affirm working for Manifort in 2017. Records established that the payment came from another firm, firm A, which performed work for an entity, entity B. Manafort made several inconsistent statements about this payment.

He said that it was a repayment of a debt owed to Manafort by the head of entity B, whereas banking records show that the payment came from firm A. And he also said that it was income to Manafort for work performed for firm A in the past, and that it was a loan from firm A to Manafort. And performed for Firm A in the past and that it was alone from Firm A to Manafort. That's also a lie.

So anyway, those are the facts. Here's some conjecture. One option of this payment involves Gates. During Gates' trial, he said that he had a bunch of affairs and used false expense reports to skim money to give to his girlfriends. And in one instance, you know how like somebody cuts you off and you want to pull up and just see either, right?

I want to see these women are. Yeah. And in one instance, Gates submitted a false invoice to cause global endeavor to transfer $125,000 into a different company called Bade LLC, which Gates also controlled. And maybe global endeavor came after Manifort for the money or maybe it was a debt owed to the Scadden firm

for the White Wash report on Yanakovać's opponent, Temeschenko. That's the whole Vanderswan thing. He was involved in that when Manifort was recruiting EU officials to lobby on behalf of Yanakovać. Or maybe it's a payment he sent to the same two EU witnesses that he attempted to subborn perjury from, right? Remember that?

Maybe he was paying them to say they weren't really actually lobbying for foreign interests and that registering for Pharaoh wasn't necessary. But in either case, do not overlook this payment. Mueller would not have included it if it weren't relevant to the core investigation, which actually leads me to believe that this is the truth thing that happened. It's a payment from Trump, from a Trump super PAC to Manafort. Manafort sent two of his buddies to run this PAC for free, so that could be payment for them.

Or perhaps this was how Manafort was getting paid to run the campaign, which would explain the constant bragging by both men that Manifort was working for free. Right. When in actuality, he wasn't. Maybe the Pax were paying him through these shell companies because Pax can't have direct coordination between the Pax and the campaign. That's illegal. Yeah.

It also would be an illegal campaign contribution and it also would constitute failure to report campaign donations. So there's like three felonies in there. And this could lead prosecutors to proving that foreign money was funneled through third party groups like the NRA to Trump Pax and then use that money to finance the campaign directly, whether it's that NRA coordinated ad buy

or just paying people like Man of Fort and having him lie about it six times. That could be one of the many links of collusion and aiding and abetting. Yeah. In any case, but God. So many beans. Yeah, it's really a point that you mentioned speculation

because I think that's probably more on the nose, but right now they can't officially say that the booten of cases about Russia or the collusion because no one's speculating in that area. But I don't know, I think that one of those beans that come true, that would be interesting. Well, we do have a huge box of beans.

Yeah. Just in case. And finally, in Manafort News, we learned from Vox that Manafort had advised the White House on how to attack and discredit the investigation and the FBI, according to documents and interviews with individuals familiar with the matter. This ties into the Mueller breach of plea agreement

showing that Manafort lied about having ongoing contact with anyone in the White House, right? Additionally, Manafort advised White House officials in the spring and summer of 2017 on how to undermine the FBI and Mueller in three ways. And he gave this advice, basically, he was like, here's how you can intimidate and discredit witnesses

in the Mueller probe as well. And the first way that he was going to attack, well, I guess the first of the three pillars of his plan was to attack the FBI directly to de-legitimize the investigation. This included discrediting James Comey and other senior FBI officials like Strach and Baker and goddess and McCabe, anyone that could be a witness against the president. For a year now, we've been referring to these guys as the Comey 5. These are the officials

that Comey shared his contemporaneous notes with about the meetings he had with Trump. And now they're all fired or retired. Yeah, so that campaign actually happened. They used to meet him all. Yeah, check. They did that. It was the second one. Chick. It's like a workout tape or something. Another part of the discredit, the FBI strategy, we're still on pillar one, was to discredit the FISA warrant against Carter Page by falsely saying it was based wholly on the steel dossier, which was a torch that was also carried by your ex boyfriend,friend, Devonunas. Yeah, well he's definitely in on all of this.

And it also comes into my hot note actually. Oh, actually, how do you do it? Is he missing? No, fuck that guy. Also to say, also another thing was to say that Obama was wiretapping him. Remember that thing? That was life. So that was a strategy from the pillars of Manipur's plan? Of the first pillar of the FBI crazy one of three pillars the second strategy

one pillar to now is to discredit the investigation by attacking the DNC and they did this mostly with the express assistance of Matthew fucking Whitaker when they tried to discredit Alexandra Chalupa she's a pro-Ukrainian strategist in the DNC so they spent a lot of time trying to just fuck her life up yeah finally the third pillar attack Clinton and the Dossier that pro-Ukrainian strategist in the DNC. So they spent a lot of time trying to just fuck her life up. Yeah. Finally, the third pillar, attack Clinton and the dossier. That strategy helps undermine the FBI and the FISA warrant against Carter Page.

So all of this amounts to conspiracy to lie, aid and abet, and possibly obstruct justice. And all of that coming to light might explain why Manafort's lawyers, aside from the fact that they're also in trouble for improper communications with the White House didn't know how to act in that Manafort here this week. They're like, which crime? We can't even remember. But one thing is for certain Manafort is... Fuuuut... Fuuut... Fuuut...

I don't know how I feel about that one. I'm a little embarrassed today guys, but for not knowing it was coming. Yeah, well done. We should have known so many people were fucked this week. We never planned it. AGO is throws it on us, which I know. I don't want it. I don't want it. Yeah.

We learned Tuesday that William Barr, who Trump nominated last week to be the new attorney general, might have to recuse himself from all things Mueller. According to reporting from NBC, Trump actually reached out to Barr because he wanted him to be his lawyer, his personal lawyer for the Russian investigation. And that outreach could pose a conflict of interest. I say it does. Good responsible journalism says it could. But I have no doubt that any Democrats in the bar confirmation hearings will ask for his recusal based on the

personal consideration as bar for Trump's Russia lawyer. legal beans. All right, this is good. On Wednesday, I have to get ready. Wednesday, 44 former Republican and Democratic senators, Pendo letter to current senators, urging them to stand in defensive democracy. Here's what it says. I'm just gonna read you the letter.

It's pretty good. I feel like I need music. I feel like I need the... The suspense is building for sure. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do All right, as former members of the US Senate, Democrats and Republicans alike, it is our shared view that we are entering a dangerous period, and we feel an obligation to speak up about serious challenges to the rule of law, the Constitution, our governing institutions, and our national security. We are on the eve of the conclusion of special counsel Robert S. Muller, the third's

investigation, and the House's commencement of investigations of the president and his administration. The likely convergence of these two events will occur at a time when simmering regional conflicts and global power confrontations continue to threaten our security, economy, and geopolitical stability. Trump is not going to understand most of these words. No, you lost them at Robert Swan. Oh, yeah. Here we go. It is a time like other critical junctures in our history

when our nation must engage at every level with strategic precision and the hand of both the president and the Senate. We are at an inflection point in which the foundational principles of democracy and our national security interests are at stake, and the rule of law and the ability of our institutions to function freely and independently must be upheld.

During our service in the Senate, at times we were allies and at other times opponents, but never enemies. We all took an oath, swearing allegiance to the Constitution. Whatever united or divided us, we did not veer from our unwavering and shared commitment to placing our country, democracy, and national interest above all else. At other critical moments in our history, when constitutional crises have threatened our foundations, it has been the Senate that has stood

in defense of our democracy. Today is, once again, such a time. Regardless of any party affiliation, ideological leanings or geography, as former members of this great body, we urge current and future senators to be steadfast and zealous guardians of our democracy by ensuring that partisanship or self-interest not replace national interest. Wow.

That's beautiful. Yeah, he's not going to understand any of that. You know how like there's ESL translators, he needs someone that just sits there with like a big white paper pad and just draws pictures. Somebody just like a picture. And they're a version of don't be a dick. Exactly. Yes, that's beautiful.

That was bipartisan, you said? Yeah, I'm there, I'm there, and they're leaving Congress. 44, no, these are 44 senators from, that aren't senators anymore. Okay, 44 former senators. Yeah, which is still beautiful, but I wish it were like the current body that they're talking

to the current body. They're saying, hey, you guys, better listen, I'm just worried they won't listen. I'm so weary about the Senate. I know you've mentioned before that you like. Well, it's part of now because the because of the last election, true, we won the house by the biggest margin in midterm history, the history midterms, 9 million plus votes. But in the Senate, we lost a lot of centrist Republicans and moderates to even be pushed more toward like Trump's sick offense.

So it is not the best in the Senate, but there's some good news coming up in the second part of the show about something that the resolution that the Senate voted on this week. I think it'll make you guys all happy. Stick around. We'll be right back. Hey, Mueller junkies. voted on this week, I think it'll make you guys all happy. Okay. Stick around, we'll be right back. Hey, Mueller junkies, Skillshare is an online learning platform and I absolutely love it. It's got over 20,000 different classes you can take

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All right, welcome back everybody. We are on Wednesday and we learn Wednesday that when the FBI raided the offices of Alderman Burke, they seized his cell phone. It's unclear why, though. We've learned throughout this whole investigation that when law enforcement seized his cell phones, it's usually trying to dig into messenger apps like Signal or Dust, or it's to find out where that person was by using that triangulation shit

that they do. Remember when they took Manafort's five mobile phones last March? Five's five mobile phones last March? Five. Five mobile phones. And we posited that they must have been trying to coordinate his whereabouts, specifically his meetings with Columnick and how they coordinated with Derapaska.

And then Bam and his breach filing, they mentioned his meetings with Columnick. So that's just beans. And then Bam, his breach filing mentioned his meetings with Kalimnik, and then they were probably were able to coordinate that by using his cell phone. We learned Friday, though, that Burke's office was rated a second time on Thursday night. Because Friday morning, Alderman Burke came into work and he parked in the back and he just didn't say anything.

It was two weeks ago that they rated his office and papered over the front doors and the windows. And they not only rated his City Hall office, but his ward office as well. And when asked for comment, Burke said, I don't have any reaction, you know about as much as I do. That's kind of weird, you know. I'm sure.

Yeah. No reaction. I have no idea what this is about. Throwing through all the crimes, like which one did they get me on? Yeah. Then Tuesday night, Flynn's defense document came out, and there was a massive appendix, first of all, full of letters of support from family and friends and shit, and then there was

a separate filing of his military accomplishments. What the hell is that? These are my words, mother, from Army. The seal is from Mark'smanship, and the gorilla is for sand racing. And those military records were super redacted. They didn't even bother making the black bars. They just solid black page, total waste of toner, and just covering up where he water-borted people probably. And most of the rest of the documents sounded a lot like Mueller's filing that came out last Friday saying, you know, he's a lieutenant general, long and decorated past. He's cooperated super hard with investigators, he loves his wife.

But then it got pissy, okay? Flynn's lawyer started to outline a defense saying it was the FBI's fault that Flynn lied to them because they did not tell him it was a crime to lie to them ahead of time. Yeah, I've heard that excuse before in relationships. You didn't tell me. You didn't tell me I couldn't stab your dog in the eye.

Oh, I figured that was just known. Did that happen, Angie? No, it's very specific. Sounded very specific. It's pulled it out of nowhere. It also mentioned, first of all, he also, by the way, by name, it mentioned McCabe and Struck in a parent effort to make sure everyone knows that those two guys were involved because they're, you know, they're whipping boys for the Republican party.

According to the filing, McCabe called Flynn and said, hey, send in two guys your way, finger guns. You can have McGahn present if you want. And Flynn asked if it was about the Russia stuff. And then the cave goes yep. That's right buddy. To which Flynn said no need to have McGahn there. And then struck and another guy showed up. And frankly, if they weren't only interested in throwing out struck's name, you know, like I said, who the GOP

has been trying to unsuccessfully discredit for months. They would have mentioned the other guy's name, but they didn't. Exactly. Because they're assholes. Yeah, it's not fair that it became, it's getting short into this. Or struck, yeah.

Or struck, yeah. They're like eight guys involved in like, McCabe and struck and sick guys. And it's like, I know what you're fucking good. The scapegoats, you're right. Yeah, so it then said, it went on to say Flynn was treated well and the meeting was congenial and happy and he felt relaxed and jocular and Flynn's lawyers. That sounds weird.

And Flynn's lawyer like they played like a job. Like a job. Yeah, jocular. And Flynn's lawyers accused the FBI of a shady interrogation tactics by making Flynn so comfortable and not telling him lying to them as a crime. And this really pissed me off, as you know, if you follow me on Twitter, because I tweeted before this filing a couple nights ago, that if I were Mueller, I would bite back in my response filing, which was due Friday by 3 p.m. Eastern time. Well, beans come true because Mueller hit back in a seven-page pimp slap saying quote, a sitting national security advisor, former head of an

intelligence agency, retired lieutenant general and 33-year veteran of the armed forces knows he should not lie to federal agents. Unquote. Sad that he even has to say it, but also just very beautifully written. It is, and I wanted him to, because I was like, you had no jail time. Why do you have to be at home? Why do you have to be a little dick about it? Was it as lawyers, or do you think it's coming from Flynn more than anything? Well, his lawyers would have to approve it.

They wrote it. Mueller also brings up the fact that Flynn had cooked up these lies weeks earlier when he told them to the public and then to Mike Pence. So basically, girl, please. My favorite part is at the end. Instead of saying no jail time, Muller subtly switches to recommending sentencing on the low end of the guideline. And what's weird is that mainstream media CNN, they're all saying Muller's still recommending no jail time, but that's not how I read it. The first recommendation, the first filing said this, quote, given the defendant's substantial

assistance and other considerations set forth below, a sentence at the low end of the guideline range, including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration is appropriate and warranted. Right, that's the first thing he said, right? But in the second filing, after Flynn went after the FBI, the language changed. It now reads, quote, his cooperation and military service continue to justify a sentence at the low end of the guideline range. Oh, period. Yeah. Mueller took out the language, including a sentence that does not impose a

term of incarceration. And I think that that's significant. I think it's a huge difference. And I don't understand why mainstream media thinks it's the same. I happen to think that the judge won't take too kindly to badmouthing the FBI either, and might just give him jail time. And Joyce Vance actually said on Mato that Sullivan, Judge Sullivan, has been known to give jail time,

even when both sides say it's not necessary. Yeah, I think mainstream media is often very keen to things. They cover things well often, but just not very in depth. That's why I think there media is an often very keen to things they cover things well often But just not very in depth. That's why I think there's a difference here It's like they don't pick up on the little details like that and I think it is just important what Mueller is not saying But they normally don't do that speculation. Yeah, they're like it's the same. I'm like no, it's not It's not the same at all. It's very different. It's subtle, but subtlety is everything Yeah, why are there like a lot of wires that are doing that trying to like accuse them of subwarning

perjury on themselves or something. They let me into lying. It's like, what? No, you're probably servants. You absolutely know this. And it's like if you rob a bank and then you just make it pass the sensors and you're like, ah, and then you say, it's or something. And it sets off the alarm. That was very long-winded and analogy, but you get my point here.

No, I, I just keep the bit going. Yeah, I pulled my X before. Like, you made me do this. You know, it's like, no, it's my fault. You know, like, oh, well, yeah, I just mean like, he was already there. He was already past the finish line. Yeah, all you need to do is just shut the fuck up

and put it in the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just stand there and as uniform, like a fucking guy and be like, I was in the military, here's all the shit up there. Be Yeah, yeah, yeah, just stand there and his uniform like a fucking guy and and be like I was in the military. Here's all the shit. I just be quiet salute. Thank you. Yeah, and he he might have gotten no jail time Right. He got all saucy for some reason saucy wonder why? Yeah, people are getting cocky also like pop it up to now. He's saying he's gonna run for Congress So we'll get there. Oh good. Oh

God Anyway, um put beans on that. He's going to be sentenced on December 18th. You guys this week. He was going to get no jail time. He was going to probably get a year of probation, maybe some community service. Yeah. Which is funny because he was in the military for 33 years. But we're like, what are you going to do extra? Would you like, you didn't do already? What did you do if you saw Flynn picking up trash on the side of the road? I would laugh, I would point and laugh.

The way I point and laugh at dogs that poop on the side of the road. I would at least take a picture. I'd feel a little bad about it, but I do it. I wouldn't, don't feel bad, man, he's a traitor. There's this, sorry, really quick. There's this whole argument about how giving them no jail time will be good,

because it will incentivize people in the future to cooperate, but I say give them still jail time, but then just give the other people more jail time. Why don't we just do that? No, we should get off with no jail time. This is the first big one though. And he cooperated. He's the first person to cooperate hard and fast and fast and truthful and steadfast, right? And so Mueller is rewarding him.

And I think that's why they subtly took out that no incarceration. Yeah, totally. Part instead of saying, fuck you, I recommend jail time now, bitches. Dumb of their little fingers, each it. Yeah, they're basically doing that. I'm just more a fan of the SDNY approach, I think. Like, fuck these people.

They knew what they were doing. I'm not gonna give you the worst sentence that you could get because you cooperated, but you're still a piece of shit that did this. And this is why jail time exists. And there's so many people also that getting incarcerated for right. And speaking of Cohen, he was sentenced Wednesday and I've got a whole thing on Cohen and hot notes. Stick around for that. So we learned Wednesday

that the Trump inaugural is under criminal investigation, criminal investigation now. And joining us to talk about that is former securities fraud litigator. She practiced in the DC Circuit Court and in the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York, and she's the host of Resistance Live, Elizabeth McLaughlin. Elizabeth, welcome to Mueller She wrote. Hey, I'm so excited to be here. It's been a long time coming. I know, I know.

We've been dying to have you on, so it's really an honor to speak with you. So it appears that the Trump inaugural spending and perhaps funding is under investigation. And you and I have been covering this for a long time and wondering how they raised over $100 million, I think $108 million, twice over twice as much that Obama raised. And we don't know where it all came from or where it all went. I think the only other person in mainstream media that has been like wondering about this is maybe Rachel Maddo. And I was hoping you could tell us briefly what this investigation is about and what's

new here about it. Yeah, so you know, you know this as well as I do. There have been questions about this inaugural fund going all the way back to like the week after the inauguration. So you know, all the way back when Sean Spicer was still screaming and turning beat right about the size of the crowd. And, you know, I've been wondering forever about where this money came from. And there's been a lot of speculation from the very beginning about some of these payouts.

You know, one of them went to this friend of Melania's and no one really exactly understood what it was for. And then there were there were huge amounts that were missing, like millions and millions of dollars that sort of seemed to be unaccounted for. So there's been red flags around this, as you know, for quite some time. But the big breaking news this week in two separate reports has been that the inaugural committee, the inaugural fund, is now under investigation as a part of Mueller's scope. And it's curious. So there's two things about it that are new. The first is that apparently in the raids on Michael Cohen, the feds found tape where he seems to be talking to this friend of

Melania Trump, so about all this money money out of the inaugural about whether or not. No, is that the one starting to interrupt? Is that the one that got almost $26 million? Yes. Okay. Yes. And apparently the two of them are on tape having a discussion about whether or not the payment is legit. So that in itself is a big question. You got to love Michael Cohen taping all of his crimes. I mean, come on.

It's fascinating. He must have at some point either thought he was gonna get blamed or that he was gonna have to plead out. But in any event, that... Well, I think, I think honestly, I think the part of that is that everyone who's worked with Trump knows Trump just doesn't stay loyal. And he, I think he might have come to the conclusion that I better get all this shit on tape.

And he didn't destroy a bunch of documents he was supposed to destroy. And it's like this huge political Aaron Brockovich situation and I love it. Well, I do too. And, you know, as a former securities litigator, it's insane because, you know, anybody I, anybody who I ever deposed or cross-examined, you know, these kind of documents, let alone recordings, would be such fodder for a plane of satirining or a prosecutor. It's kind of nuts, you know, these kind of documents, let alone recordings, would be such fodder for a plane of saturn or a prosecutor.

It's kind of nuts, you know. I mean, it's a mother load. It's like you. It's the mother load. Yeah. It's insane. So, you know, yeah, so it's this $26 million payment that he was apparently discussing with Melania's friend on tape.

But then the second bit of big breaking news that came out this week was this issue of where the money came from, which has long been a topic of speculation. I mean, I'm sure you remember that back and during the inauguration, even at the inaugural balls, there were all these questions about why there were so many Russians there. And who was sitting there?

Did one guy spend by like, by four tickets and use a cutout and do you remember that story? Yeah. And meanwhile, and I just think, as this is funny, I had a history teacher who was like, by four tickets and use a cutout. And do you remember that story? Yeah. Yeah. And meanwhile, and I just think, this is funny, I had a history teacher who was like, you have to think about what else was going on in history. Were it the inaugural?

There's a bunch of Russians who bought tickets using cutouts. And Ivanka sitting next to this woman. And meanwhile, Flynn is over texting Copson on the day us about building reactors and tearing up sanctions with the help of Russia in Saudi Arabia. So it's just like, what? Yeah, and that, you know, itself was bizarre because there were questions about why you would do that, right? If you were not trying to buy political influence.

So, and there, you know, Ivanka Trump had someone's, I can't remember if somebody's wife or girlfriend, some major, Russian oligarchs, wife or girlfriend, sitting basically next to her at the inauguration. So there's been questions about where the money came from for a really long time. It's, you know, I've said over and over again to friends of mine and also on my own broadcast just that, you know, if you ever tried to sell this as a movie script to Hollywood,

it would have been rejected out of hand because it's so crazy. It's so crazy. Yes. Well, that and there's just too much. You would have to rejected out of hand. Because it's so crazy, it's so crazy. Yes. Well, that and there's just too much. You would have to do like a Lonesome Dove eight-part mini-series for 16 hours or like a game of thrones. But I think Muller writes a lot faster than George R.R. Martin seems to.

That's true. That's true. I think the credibility would have been an issue or were it fiction, honestly. And that's what makes it crazy to me that it's actually reality. Anyway, the second investigation that's really curious, and this is the one that I'm kind of following with Bated Breath because it added a new jurisdiction, it added mild jurisdiction actually

to the investigation is this issue of the Cataris potentially buying into the inaugural fund. And is that the Eastern District of New York now? Yes, which is Brooklyn, which is Brooklyn. So, and I will tell you that the prosecutors that I knew in the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of New York, they're bulldogs, right?

They're not letting go of any of this stuff. And so to me, the fact that we're now in a situation where there's basically four separate jurisdictions that are investigating Trump and his people and some aspect of the campaign or his company or the administration or the inaugural. Just tells us how big this Hydra has gotten at this point. So yeah, and we can't forget too that not only were these Russians buying tickets to the inaugural probably to buy influence. But we have folks like Vexelberg and Columbus, Nova and Intrader donating large amounts of money

to Cohen's slush fund, a sexual consulting. It's fucking essential. And so we have all that going on at this same time too. So that fits into it as well. And now, are you talking about the news that came out about the Super PAC also being the Tom Barrick Super PAC with the Middle Eastern money or is it separate? Yeah, no, that's also something that is being investigated.

Obviously, the curious thing there is that Tom Barrack was also the head of the inaugural fund. Right. He's also the guy who got Maniford the job with the Trump campaign by writing that letter. Right. The layers here are really thick. I also will tell you that as far as essential consultants go, you know, the question I have given how much Cohen was reimbursed as opposed to how much those two payouts were that we know about with regard to stormy and the

playboy playmate is whether or not there were more payoffs than what they were for. Because the amount of money that moved back to him in reimbursement was so much larger than those two payments that you kind of have to ask yourself what was really going on there. And whether there's more to that story. Not to mention the $4 million he got from AT&T and that aerospace company and he was pretty much doing nothing for that money also. Right. Other than providing information about, you know, the president and potentially providing access. So yeah, there's a lot

more to come out of this Michael Cohen plea than what we already know. I, you know, I'm, I'm fascinated by the layers of it. And how far we may get with just what he knows, let alone what he potentially has on tape. Yeah, he's the, he's the glitter of this investigation. You can't get rid of it. Um, and glitter is the herpes of crafting. So that's kind of that's the way I tie those things to. That's where my strings go on my murder board.

Now, the question about the, the, the, this new, um, investigation in Eastern district in Brooklyn is this separate from the news about the super pack run by Barrack or is that the same investigation? You know, it's interesting because at least the reporting that I've been looking at seems to indicate that, you know, because Barack raised money for both funds, that there's at least some overlap in the investigations. I haven't been able to figure out, honestly, from a clear standpoint yet, what the distinction is between the two because even the New York times is talking about

How the inquiry goes both the inaugural front and to the super pack so maybe there's some overlap there Well, yeah, we're taking we're taking molar crumbs and trying to make a cookie out of it. It's what we're doing Now is this pack Separate from the pack that was coordinating ad buys for Trump with the NRA? It looks like it is. Yeah, this super pack is rebuilding America now. So this is one that was formed in 2016.

It looks like it was something that was pulled together at the last minute and particularly at the moment where the president's campaign was short on cash. And, you know, it's interesting. There's a lot, you know, the super PACs that have been donating here. Who knows how they intersect again? That's one of those things where we're kind of trying to figure it out. But this super PAC in particular that is under investigation with regard to Barack looks like it's the one that was started in the summer of 2016 and is separate from the one that was working with the NRA. Holy moly, if we thought there was a lot of news before, it's the one that was started in the summer of 2016 and is separate from the one that was working with the NRA. Holy moly if we thought there was a lot of news before it's it's just gonna start getting absolutely ridiculous. Elizabeth McLaughlin, can you tell everyone where they can find your broadcast resistance life? Yeah, absolutely. So we broadcast live every day on my public Facebook

page, which is facebook.com slash Elizabeth Cronice McLaughlin. You can also catch us on Patreon at patreon.com slash resistance live. And then we multiply the broadcast to YouTube and iTunes and Stitcher every day as well. So you can find me in a lot of places. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on Mollershi Route today. We really appreciate it. You got it. Thanks for having me. All right, guys, now we're on to Thursday.

It's only Thursday. When the US Senate is what I was going to tell you about Jordan, they voted 56 to 41, approving a resolution calling for an N2US involvement in the Saudi Arabia, UAE led military campaign in Yemen. And that defies Trump's military support for Saudi Arabia. But then they took it a step further, and they approved a resolution 100 to nothing, saying that Muhammad Bon saw is responsible for the murder of Kushouji. Beautiful. Isn't that, I guess, I mean, the house. Yeah. Yeah. That was a big deal, guys, because the election this year, like I said, we yielded the biggest midterm landslide for the Democrats in the House, and we lost those moderate Republicans in the Senate.

So it's amazing to me that they would defy Trump on anything, and I can't help but wonder if this is the beginning of the end of blind support for Trump in the Senate. Yeah, we thought it would end with the tax cuts, but then that wasn't the case. We thought it would end with everything. Yeah. Yeah. It gets to a point where it's like hurting their own chances of reelection.

I think that's what it is. Totally. Oh, being reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. If they aren't, yeah. Right. Well just, I mean, as Trump's approval rating goes down around the country, so is there a chance for getting real like, oh, right. They continue to support him. Yeah, and it's like, I should probably vote no, I should probably vote no on murder.

Right. Yeah. Or, you know, my, you know, yes, on murder all the time though. So just in different ways. I'm not giving them credit for that really. Yeah. Maybe I should. I'm such a bitch. Okay. Oh, and I do. There are those places where like the Senate and the Senate, where those Trump supporter areas are really, you know, it's helping them.

But it's rare, right? There's not too many of them. Yeah. It mostly hurts the Republicans, right? The moderate ones who've seen, definitely. Cruises still on the other side. Well, that's what we saw in this election. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, that meansensed. That's what we saw in this election.

Yeah. Well, that means that means crew sign that letter. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. Everyone. Yeah. All of them were there and they all voted.

Like, that's strong. Right. Even Bernie Sanders. He never votes yes on anything. Yeah. He probably doesn't go far enough. I want to bring MBS here and I want to chop them into pieces. He was singing for another cow.

He's always doing this. I was like, no, it's not good enough, not far enough. He's so funny. Let's see here, where were we Friday? Well, we're on Friday. Yay. Thank God it's Friday. Trump named Mick Mulvaney his acting chief of staff after Chris Christie and three others turned down the job. Trump wanted a long term chief of staff, Chris Christie and three others turned down the job. Trump wanted a long term chief of staff, but apparently he couldn't get anyone to commit to being more than an acting, and he got Mick Mulvaney, who oddly enough, somebody dug up

an old video of Mick Mulvaney saying that Trump was a giant piece of shit terrible person. Nice. Technology is beautiful. So that'll be funny. Yeah. One Trump hears that. Also Friday, Scott Stemman reported in medium that authorities in coordination with Muller have sought to arrange an interview with the author of that letter that the anonymous author wrote to Adam Schiff that we dropped beans on the week before

last. Remember when the story dropped? If you remember, the letter was sent to Adam Schiff and claimed that in December 2016, Pobodop said that he was going to do a business deal with Russians, which would result in a large financial gain for himself and Mr. Trump. And according to the letter, quote, popidopolis told me that this deal with Russians would set him up for life, unquote. The author also says he or she witnessed a phone call between Trump and popidopolis. None of the claims have been substantiated, but it appears Congress is ready to dig into the allegations anyway. So, and in this week's What the Fuck segment,

it appears that Papadopoulos has announced he's running for Congress as Jordan, you brought up earlier. What? Yeah, that's great. And he doesn't, he doesn't even have a city yet. He's, he's trying to pick a city. He's like, I could probably do. He said Orange County.

Yeah, Orange County, because that seems winnable. Yeah, I have a weird theory if he's even remotely serious about this Maybe he's looking for protection. He's like, hey, I'm already in legal trouble with all these politicians I want some of their privilege. He wants to get a little you know Not as much but more than pop a double this is getting right now Well, he already did his time Yeah, but he's did probably in some shit He seems like yeah, he's another one. It's like lay low man just for a little bit at least you just got out of jail And I hate his wife. I hate them all. Yeah, I do yeah, I know man. They're well. They're fucking up our country, dude

I know man. They're well they're fucking up our country did Okay, no, no, he wants to take Orange County and then he said I could take Orange County because that's a Congressional seat that the person just slipped in and just got in a weak midterm election Everything he just said is wrong. It's completely wrong. There's no way that that's also just bad I mean, you know, just pick a city you're not from and go try to represent it just because you want to be a congressman. At least I'll make it obvious, right? Wait a few years, lay low and then be like, Hey, I've always been here. That's what his wife did. She just picked a country she wanted to be for. She wants to be. I still think she's a Darapaskin boat hoe, but I don't know. know about how I like it. Still haven't gotten any confirmation on that.

Still Friday, Ross Story reported that Mueller is not satisfied with Trump's written responses and still wants to interview him face to face according to two sources familiar with the matter. As we know, no lawyer in their right mind or even any Trump lawyer for that matter are comfortable or would be comfortable with him sitting down with prosecutors because he's incapable of telling the truth. Pudry trap, whatever. And my vagina's a rape trap.

Oh, I never thought about that. That's a good one. And now you will. Every time you hear Pudry trap, you're gonna think of me. Or Venus fly trap. It's when it comes to my mind. I've been called that.

Additionally, Mueller's team is interested in interviewing Trump about his state of mind during actions under investigation for obstruction of justice. We've been saying this for a long time. You can't get written answers on obstruction of justice. You have to interview him face to face. You have to get to their intent. They're motive.

They're frame of mind when they acted the way they did. Because it'd be too easy to further obstruct justice if you let them write it down. Is that why? Probably. Your answer's obstruct justice on the questions about obstructing justice. Yeah, yeah.

Also, Friday and Inspector General report examined a gap in text messages sent between Peter Strachan Lisa Page and found zero evidence that the FBI tried to destroy any of the text messages. Despite this, clear finding, Trump and Giuliani tweeted out Saturday that billions, billions of texts are missing. Wow.

This is simply a lie, and clearly part of a Manafort Trump and Matthew fucking Whitaker conspiracy to discredit the FBI. That's all it is. That's all I can think of now. Every time he says these things. And I think it works for their base, unfortunately,

because sometimes people only listen to Rudy Giuliani and to get their news. Yeah, and when it came out that Maniford had this whole big plan, this three-part plan on how to discredit the investigation, all I could think of was the Komi-5 beans. Like we've been on that for a while, at least last December or January.

Since like a second episode, I wanna see. Yeah, since after the Magnitsky. Right? That's, yeah, that was our whole thing. We're like, something's going on. Yeah, they were dropping like flies. Something went on, yeah. Finally, a two-page summary of the Steel Dossier

was unsealed Friday that says, a private client funded the research. We already knew this. We already knew Clinton's campaign, her law firm called Perkins Kui, funded this. We've known this in Fusion GPS founder, Glenn Simpson testified to Congress in two different, basically, novels of 500-page testimony each. They really are, it's good reading. Yeah. And while this is not news, and we already knew all about this, and in no way

discredits the dossier or any of its corroborated content, none of which has been refuted by the way, I'm sure Trump and Giuliani will tweet something ridiculous about it this weekend. Yeah. Yeah. Counting down the sea, a minister, proof Hillary paid for it off the hook. Totally. And we're like, we have known this. Wow wow but all you have to say to his bases Hillary Clinton wasn't involved and they're gonna be like oh yeah they because I think sometimes like even liberals when they hear Trump associated with anything they're like oh that's bad but yeah but do they not remember us saying it to them a year ago like well they weren't listening to us no they jumped on it and then forgot about it I think they I think they think I

think this is the new strategy is they'll just re-release old news that Hillary was involved. Everybody already knew about it, and they already knew about it, at a party about it. They did fucking, they drank shots of Quattro. What is it for, loco? I'm all doing it.

Quattro. Quattro. Quattro. For Quattro. Quattro crazy. Crazy loco. You know, about it, like they're like, yeah, he, he, he, look, Hillary's paid for it.

You all are fucked and we're like, no, we know. Right. And I think they just do it again because they forget that they've celebrated this nugget of information. A long time ago. So they re-release it. Or they only have the three things.

Yeah, I think they should be. No, the three things that they've been FISO warrant dossier, Hillary's emails. That's all that got. And so they just keep putting it out. We need to have like a place where all Trump supporters can go to easily have their claims refuted. Like I feel like they're sure they'll voluntarily go there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll send them there like like tricking them somehow. Like, you know, it's called light maggot.com or something. They just don't listen. They just don't listen.

It'd be so helpful, like, to sneak in the truth. Well, yeah. Lube the truth for the, yeah. It's definitely that, I mean, like, you'll have to go undercover. Yeah. It's like, it's like a Tommy Laren. Oh, yeah.

Type. Or for me, like, who's that? Get away, go on white face. Yeah. Walk in and just go undercover. Take about a year to earn their trust. type more for me like who's that get away going white Walk in and just and just go undercover take about a year mm-hmm to earn their trust really infiltrate it Yeah, and then you just start sliding in I'll do a YouTube live. I don't never catch on say Jesus spoke to you And told me to tell you this and then just fact check everything that we agree. I love it, I'll do it. Very specific, Jesus. He's very invested. Yeah, I think it's also, it's like that thing

when you say, you're supposed to say a new person's name that you meet like an X amount of times for it to really soak in your brain. It's also that. The more times they say it, the more times their base is gonna read it and it's gonna be combinatorative that they can then turn and spit out to their friends. They got their reality. Yeah, I don't blame them on how media works even when I read

liberal sources, I have to make sure that I check myself, you know, because it's just a matter of what you let in. But yeah, often those are more proper, like, you know, the right wing ones seem to be more tailored towards knowing their base is a little... Stupid? Well, that's their MO. Guys, that's their MO. Guys, that's their MO every time. Like, what I'm gonna call it the Cut Cut Plan.

Or, I only wanna do taxes at 10, 20, and 25. Simple, easy. Or, when he was in that meeting with Nancy and Chuck, and he's like, uh, shut down the government in favor of border security. Build a wall. I want the wall. So, border security.

Yeah, I'll shut down the government. Yeah, I'll shut down the government. Border security. Yeah. Just repeating the same words and phrases over and over again until they sink in. And that's just, that's how they operate. And it's not going to stop. So we just have to get used to it. So this is not news.

We knew that Perkins Kui and Hillary funded the dossier who gives a f**k. It doesn't mean that it's harder page. Exactly. And it was Republicans funding it too. I think, of course, they'll leave that part out of it I'm almost like I will give you a thousand dollars and let Carter page off the hook if you just stop talking about it It's so irrelevant. Yeah, watch it's watch. It's like the whole it's like the foundation of the whole fucking thing Watch oh, yeah, oh, yeah, little fucking fish and hat guy like start this whole shit, right? Yeah, I don't even know all right guys

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Previous drop November 18 and full episodes are available Sunday December 9th on Starburn's audio All right, welcome back. Hot notes. All right, guys, welcome back today in hot notes. I have Jordan. She's going to talk about a lawsuit that's been filed against Rudy Giuliani. No, against the FBI New York field office for leaking to Rudy Giuliani. Yeah.

But first, Julie, so you have some interesting in your, this is going to be a racial matter of segment, right? Yeah, yeah, this is all racial material here. Yeah, that's about it. Because it's about like racist harassment and targeted threats of these undocumented workers who work for Trump at his New Jersey golf course, right? Correct. Yeah, this is a follow up to last week's racial madhouse segment. So basically, according to an attorney named Annable Romero,

the New Jersey State Attorney General's office has reached out to Trump about these claims. And there are now five former or current employees of the golf course that say that they were routinely threatened and called racial slurs well in the job. So this is three more workers than we knew from last week. And even though two of them have declined to give their names out of fear of, you know, being fired or something, the other woman, Gilberta Dominguez, is from Mexico. And she said she was also a victim of racial slurs,

threats, and was set up with fraudulent papers while working for Trump. So that's kind of- By somebody within the organization? Yeah, the employees, the supervisors. Now because these women have come forward, New Jersey's top law enforcement agency is looking into all of this. And Romero said in a statement, quote, these are elements of federal crimes. And it's important that the state attorney general's office or federal authorities investigate this case. Not to mention the main accuser, Victorina Morales. We mentioned her last week, she's still working at the golf course. Like right now, probably as we speak.

And I mean, it's troublesome because he says that they're concerned that they might be co-hosted and not speaking out because apparently they're showing up for work and everybody's like, oh, it's okay, it's going to be fine. Even though they know they're being legally looked into, they're just like, just chill out, don't quit, don't flee to Mexico. And it's just going to be so awkward too for a three-minute show up to work knowing that all of this is blowing up and she's encouraging other people to speak out. So it's like a little movement that's starting over there.

And that's cool. I hope it like gives people, like other people who work there and it looks like it's working, like gives them the courage to come forward too. Exactly. That's kind of the new update here is that since last week, there's been more people that have felt comfortable speaking out, even though some of them are doing it anonymously, they're still kind of adding to the number of people. So I don't find it in the seem like a lot, but it's just one more thing for Trump. You know, one more thing

to have to deal with and, you know, address. And Romero said, these undocumented workers are still reporting to work. And he said that Trump is guilty of flagrant hypocrisy because all this time when he's doing this derogatory rhetoric towards immigrants from the White House, he simultaneously employing these undocumented workers. And then basically just claiming that he was doing it through this e-verify thing like we said last week, but they were just literally setting them up with fake paper So the thing he claimed was legit, which is the lie? Just straight up or he's gonna claim he didn't know which is

ridiculous, but um Yeah, the thing about this that was interesting is that Romero actually doesn't put all the blame on Trump He says that he really blames Congress So to quote him he said the problem continues because the work is needed. In New York City, we see undocumented immigrants in every restaurant, every construction site, every supermarket. And if Congress simply passed a law allowing them to work legally, the problem would essentially be fixed. So this attorney who's representing these women and who apparently has already reached out to Trump is not even saying that Trump is the main problem. He's kind of, you know,

pointing towards the system, which is interesting, I think, actually, because it does go beyond Trump. We talk a lot about Trump in the podcast, but I think the bigger idea is, like, how are we going to revamp the system after Trump is gone, especially cleaning up all the mess that he's done, but he's just reaping the benefits of a lot of people like him. Yeah. I wish that they would specify that it's Republicans in Congress. Yeah. Because there isn't one single Democrat who would be like, no. Well, maybe.

What maybe? Maybe Mnuchin. Yeah, honestly, yeah, I think it is more of a systematic issue. But I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's the Republicans in Congress that are preventing us from making immigration and making legal easy. I see what you're saying.

You wish Romero wouldn't blame Congress as a whole if he would specify that it's the Republican party. Yeah, yeah. Just because Democrats aren't against this idea doesn't make it not systematic. Right, right. That makes sense. Right. I don't want you to think that because I'm saying I would blame the Republicans on this,

that I'm trying to say it's not a systematic problem. It is a systematic problem. And we cannot fix it because the Republicans in Congress block it. I agree. And 98% of people who own giant businesses and employ undocumented workers are likely Republicans. So yeah, because most folks who, you know know if you employ an undocumented immigrant and you are a liberal you are going to pay a living wage Do you know I'm here? That's that's what the thing I wonder about is like I would I would think so I think more Democrats would I wouldn't be surprised however if there was from Democrats that were taking advantage of it at least because they know that

It's not gonna go anywhere so they're just taking advantage of the fact that it's cheaper. My Democratic dairy farmers, do you know from Wisconsin? That's a good question. I don't know. I know none. That's a very good point. But, you know, I'm sure. Yeah.

But, you know, I'm not saying all. Right. I think it's definitely Republican. That's the party that seems to be messing this up the most. The immigration is actually in the making of the laws part of it. Absolutely. the out there having to work in the real world and hiring things people are gonna do what they need to do to have their Businesses run or to work where they need to work totally But as far as making law I I Refused to say it's anybody's fault, but the god never public ends in Congress. Yeah, no, you're right

There's definitely more blame to be putting that area, I agree. Just for law-making support. Yeah, because they're open about it too. They don't care. Border security. No, they're actually trying to stop legal immigration. Yeah. And then kick everyone out and deport people who are here illegally.

And then fuck the dreamers. And if your children who live in cages on the border. Yeah, do you hear about the young girl, the seven-year-old, who died in border security is custody. Mm-hmm. That's awful. That shouldn't be happening at all. I mean, I know that the people are gonna say, oh, well, things happen. It's like, no, but this is preventable. This didn't happen at all. There should be children in custody.

Exactly. I mean, like let's step back from, well, you know, you know, things happen, you know, on bus rides from tents to processing stations. There shouldn't be a fucking bus ride from a tent to a process. Things happen on slave ships, you know, right? The cost of slavery. Yeah, instead of arguing how big the slave ship is and how big their quarters are, like how about we don't have slave ships? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought. Yeah, yeah, excellent. Excellent reporting. Thank you. And even further to the GOP systematically is the reason Trump could even rise to power in the first place, why he was over time able to amass that much wealth and that or like there of honestly the party power I should say. I'm asked that much debt.

Yeah, that much debt and this web of power that even allowed him to manipulate people into getting him into that office in the first place. But you're right, Julie. So just the whole, you need to be here legally. You're ruining wages. You know, they're taking jobs from Americans. And meanwhile, he's employing them and paying, you know, low wages and setting it up. So that yeah, absolutely.

That is just and illegal to. I guess the fraudulent papers part of it. Yeah. So at least if there's Democrats out there employing undocumented workers, they're not in the White House saying, fuck undocumented workers. Yes. Exactly. Good point. I mean, you know, six and one half dozen, but they're based that supposedly Christian is okay with him having like multiple affairs and whatever. That hypocrisy apparently is okay. But this, I don't understand how and I'm obviously not advocating for them to actually, you know,

I'm treading lightly here. But like, this is so hypocrit, and I'm obviously not advocating for them to actually, you know, I'm treading lightly here, but like, this is so hypocritical, this will also not make them turn against him. They'll see this and have some other explanation for it. Right, and it's like, well then, what are you even advocating for? Because this is the policy that he would, yeah.

I mean, I'm wasting my breath trying to articulate how hypocritical it is. But I appreciate it. And even when we do take the Senate, and then we'll have the House, and you know we sign a bill where we allow extended visas and work permits and all that other stuff, I don't necessarily think that that's going to make wages go up.

And so because it's, we've shown and studies have shown that it's not the immigrants that lower the wages, it's the rich people that set the wages low that attract the immigrants, it's chicken and egg, right? Yeah, yeah. So we have to keep that in mind too when we think about we can's the rich people that set the wages low, that attract the immigrants, it's chicken and egg, right? So we have to keep that in mind too, when we think about, we can change the laws, but that doesn't mean that these wages are going to go up, we need to set that minimum wage at $15 an hour for everybody. It's a class issue, just as much as it's a race issue, I think. But right now they get to have their cake and eat it too.

Set low wages and then capitalize off of undocumented workers. I love cake. Trace, that's a chance. I love cake too. I do like trust, that's my favorite cake. Trace that chance. I love cake too. I do like trust like that's my favorite cake. That's a weird. Oh yeah.

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Just hair down next week to balance it out. Yeah. Thank you. To the next week I'll be correct. Yeah, thank you to the next week. I'll be correct Okay, so my hot note The government watchdog citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington also known as crew as he was talking about his Fattelossu against the New York FBI field office for allegedly leaking until the Rudy Giuliani in the final months of the 2016 campaign that indicated a Comey who was then the acting director

of the FBI, indicated to him, or it indicated that he was preparing to relaunch the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server at sex date. So we know that. Yeah, so basically this is just us, you know, defending our Comey as my homestickers. Because we're like, yes, he, you know,

he came out and reopened the election, reopened the investigation into the Hillary emails. He wrote those letters to Congress. He did 11 days before the election, quite possibly cost her the election. However, did he have a choice? His hands were tied, right? Right. And this is kind of what we've been waiting for that IG report to come out on. And I think, I think we spoke about this last week. I think they're waiting to put that out because it could have implications in the Mueller investigation. Or they don't want to discredit the FBI before this whole investigation wraps up by saying

they leaked. They were assholes and they pretty much blackmailed Comey, right? So that's the whole sort of history of this. We've been on this for a while. Yeah. And that's why crew is filing this is because like he said, they're waiting on this report. It was supposed to come out and May. It still hasn't come out.

So they're trying to... The Kanye album. Just drop already. Get enough of that Kanye. I'm so sorry. That's a silly personal day. I know, dude. I don't know what happened.

I'll just... I don't know. I'm talking. There I am. It comes in waves. So, I also like this story though, because we get to see Giuliani again who always does not cease to disappoint me He's absolutely ridiculous. So Giuliani in a classic mouth shitter fashion

He made the lawsuit all the more easy to file when he went on Fox News and admitted that he received some kind of specialized and highly classified Intel regarding the reopening of the investigation When asked on air if he had received a leak he said did I hear about it? You don't write I heard about it and I can't even repeat the language I heard you literally said that that he couldn't repeat the language he heard he's like, I trust me I was enough fast to hear it. Just big words yeah yeah, so no literally I can't repeat it I I don't know the rules. Yeah, physically incapable mentally So yeah, he basically leaked the leak and that's hilarious to me

This news follows Komi's appearance in front of house investigators where he explicitly demonstrated concern that members of the New York field office May have leaked that information to Giuliani Komi said and I quote I was concerned that there appeared to be in the media a number of stories that might have been based on communications reporters or non reporters like Rudy Giuliani. We're having with people in the New York field office. Mr. Giuliani was making statements that appeared to be based on his knowledge of workings inside the FBI New York. So yeah, and he has no reason to know those things. He's at this point not part of the FBI, right? So there's a reason why they would get leaked, right?

And we'll get to that in a second But so crew then filed a request for records related to the FBI's own investigation into the potential leaks Crew seems to be pretty confident that they will get at least some answers out of this request Crew's executive director released a statement saying that the FBI is legally obligated to either hand over the records or explain why they cannot. FBI being manhandled. Yeah. Uh, as a reminder, the NY FBI field office is the same one that has had just a completely unreasonable obsession with investigating the Clintons.

They keep trying to push for investing in the Clinton Foundation and even Komi himself has said that it's become clear that members of his office quote possess sorry not his office big direction of his office possess a deep and visceral hatred of Hillary Clinton. So the fact that rogue agents existed inside the NY field office that had a history of relentlessly pursuing the Clinton's presiderative that we've been firmly speculating on to be true this entire time on our podcast. That coming did not organically choose to announce the reopening of the investigation into Clinton's emails days before the 2016 election. His hand was forced and it was forced by this group of leaders, quote unquote leaders, who left him no other choice.

Yeah, it was orchestrated essentially, right? They wanted to corner him because I think so. Yeah, either way it was a win for them Either they like it on their own or Komi doesn't even better. He's their you know guy that not a martyr with every the opposite You know the villain in that case. Yeah, well Komi wanted to get out of it We've always said he wanted to get out in front of it and control the message. Cause he's a good boy. He's somehow Komi is the leaker, amazing. Yeah, and he already knew like, he's like,

I'm fucked if I do, I'm fucked if I don't. So I'm just gonna do this so I can control the message. Yeah, he was a true captain of that ship. He just went down with it. Well, he knew, and Biddy knew he was gonna, yeah. He was like that guy in Titanic. Yeah, he was. He was in the front.

Capitan. Capitan, no. Yeah, baby. Yeah, that's exactly it. He was in the front. Capitan. Capitan. No. Yeah, that's exactly. No spoiler alert. No spoiler alert. And so they were not, you mentioned Nunez earlier in hot notes and I said he comes in during this. Apparently they had not only leaked to Giuliani.

I read something that said they were also leaking to Nunez. Hmm. So I'm curious to see if they get implicated at all. If this once that report comes out, if these reports get filed at all, I wonder if Giuliani can be implicated at all in that for like exposing essentially national intelligence. Yeah, because he had no business there.

Yeah, totally. He's up to at least obstruction of eating and abetting. Yeah, if Congress is on it, the house specifically, they should look into that. And I think New Nose will get swept up in it. Do you remember when they had those secret meetings where they would go down the corridors and meet behind closed doors, the six Republicans

or whatever, and they had that meeting about how to discredit the FBI? I bet Manifort was involved in that. Yeah. I bet that was those were the briefings. And we used to sit there and be, I bet the White House is involved in this. And I'm sure that they were.

The back and forth, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they they had like a group. I can't I'll have to look up that story again. We did we did it. We covered it like eight nine months ago. Wow. Where Nunez was like sneaking off into private rooms with a bunch of other like George and yeah Matt Gates and fuck face. Yeah. Yeah. It was like early. It was early. Yeah. Yeah. Just early it was early. Yeah, yeah, just fucking cows Yeah, when you first met when you first met when I first met me It is when you were in a honeymoon period

All right, oh Michael Cohen Michael Michael Michael All right guys, so Wednesday of this week, the president's personal lawyer and fixer was sentenced to three years in prison. And we got to see some of the best courtroom sketches in the history of the world I have to tell you. We will send them out in our newsletter, Jordan. Make sure to send those sketches out in the newsletter of the Cohen case,

the court, the sentencing hearing. God damn it. If you don't get the newsletter, it's for patrons, so sign up for that. Apparently Cohen brought in his family and he made his heart felt plea to the judge and he was apparently crying and choking back tears. He had to pause like dramatic pause.

He says he's been living in a personal and mental incarceration ever since he started working for Trump. He quoted a Victor Frankel book. There are forces beyond your control that you can't that you can take away everything that can take away everything you possess, except one thing, your freedom to choose how you will respond to your situation, which would make sense if Trump rammed his ovipositor down his throat and laid his

eggs that forced Cohen into subservient zombie-like states. But he didn't say it was his own weakness. No, he did. He actually did. This was kind of the cool part of it. He said, it's my own weakness. And my own blind loyalty that led me to choose the path of darkness. Overlight Satan.

He started crying, like I said, when he talked about his family. He's saying, I love my family more than anything in the world. My dad, who is here today, my mom, my in-laws, my siblings. I love the love of my mom, my in-laws, my siblings. I love the love of my life, my wife Laura, my pride and joy, my daughter, Samantha, my son Jake. Just Jake. No, no pride and joy.

Jake's actually kind of an asshole, I guess. He doesn't even get the full name, Jacob. Yeah. This is Jake, that's just Jake. Jacob will all those Jake's. And he kept on going, talking about the shame he's brought to his family. Whoa, is he? And he went on for like a long time with this whole heart felt soliloquy.

And then the judge just went, all right, cool. Sit down three years. Bye. Wow. It was really kind of, I wish there were tapes. Like you can't bring cameras and tapes into federal court. Well, you say they taped these things, but you can't we can't we can't hear it Yeah, it's the judge like they already know that they're gonna put on like the water work

So they have to be tougher than that So it's easy to do was like I appreciate what you're saying to me. I take everything into kids He was just like three years. Yeah, yeah I think that was for the country though honestly. I think that's him trying to just reestablish his image and dignity Totally it was yeah, and and co- faced, he had faced up to five years, but the sentence was meant to reflect punishment of those who repeatedly break the law while also rewarding those who cooperate.

So they're kind of walking this fine line. He was also ordered to pay a $2 million fine. The guilty plea covered two separate cases, right? One brought by Mueller of Cohen's lies to congress about the trump tower masco continuing well beyond the time frame that coen initially outlined right and then the other brought by the southern district of new york over bank and tax fraud as well as the two campaign finance violations those are the ones where he implicated trump saying he committed those felonies at the direction

of and in coordination with the president uh... incredibly right right after Cohen left the courthouse, federal prosecutors unsealed a non-possacution agreement. They penned with American media ink. That's the parent company of the inquirer run by Pecker, Pecker, who had been given some some level of immunity in this case. We don't know how much how narrow it was, but he was given immunity. The document said that in exchange for admitting AMI paid $150,000 to a playmate in concert with Trump's campaign to suppress her story so as to prevent it

from influencing the election, they would not prosecute them. That's the practice known as catch and kill, right, where they offer someone a ton of money for exclusive rights to their story, and then they never publish it. Right. Now, the important language there is, quote, in concert with Trump, and to prevent it from influencing the election. Because those are the two standards the prosecution has

to meet to successfully charge someone with campaign finance violations. Keep in mind, though, that implicating an unadity-coconspirator is a different level than actually charging someone with a crime. A prosecutor will not bring charges for a case. It doesn't think it can win, right? But it doesn't have to prove the conspiracy to implicate them in the indictment of someone

else. Like Nixon, right? Yeah, so this doesn't mean that the case against Trump for these crimes would fly, right? But in the inclusion of the language stating that it was in concert with Trump to influence the election could indicate they might have evidence that's prosecutable. The AMI agreement also stated that Pecker Cohen, and at least one other member of the campaign,

were in a meeting where Pecker offered to help deal with negative stories about the presidential candidates relationships with women by assisting the campaign not only in catch and kill but identifying these stories so that they could be purchased. Well, news came out Thursday that Trump was the other member, one of the members of the campaign that was in that meeting. He was in that room.

And we actually learned this last month from the Wall Street Journal, but I guess they reported it again. Maybe we forget things. They do that a lot though, breaking news. So you learned this last month from the Wall Street Journal, but I guess they reported it again. Maybe we forget things. They do that a lot, though, yeah. Breaking news. It's like not really breaking. Yeah.

But interestingly, the non-possicutorial agreement let the entity AMI off the hook, but it specifically did not ex-go-pate the Trump Organization for its role in the catch and kill, which leaves the door open for criminal liability. And then you add that verbiage in that I said and that might be what makes it a chargeable offense and as we know there are only four people in the Trump organization that are authorized to cut checks on behalf of the company Don Jr. Ivanka and Eric knows for ought to. Eric and cut checks. They probably don't let him. He's like a little like animated one to the cartoon.

Yeah, he asked for it for Christmas when you're... Can I cut Jack's? Or at least be allowed to play school's bank. Right, your own checks. And then Alan Weiselberg, right? And we know Weiselberg has also been given some level of immunity in this case. So you have the kids and Weiselberg and Weiselberg's not even a factor. I got news for you, pal.

You ain't leading, but two things right now. Jack and shit. And Jack left town. All right, now I got more. Lanny Davis, right? That's Cohen's lawyer. He was on TV the day before his sentencing telling us all that Trump may have known about Cohen. And he believes that Trump knew Cohen planned to make false statements to Congress.

He said, quote, Mr. Trump in the White House knew that Michael Cohen would be testifying falsely to Congress and did not tell him not to, unquote, this is what he told Bloomberg news as well. He also compared Cohen to John Dean, which is stupid, unless you simply mean a lying criminal. Cohen is not the John Dean in this story. I'm sorry. If it's anyone it's Don McGahn. John Dean was a White House counsel,

not Nixon's personal lawyer, fixer, taxi, mob, fuckface. And I wish the mainstream media would quit revering it was the John Dean of Trump Russia, though I think it's just really Lanny Davis who's saying that. Adam Schiff has said he's already in communication with Cohen's team to have him come testify to the House Intel committee when Dems take over in January. Lanny Davis wants the hearing public, but Schiff is taking these on a

case-by-case basis kind of in concert with special counsel to make sure no one stepping on anyone's toes, right? Something no one had asked Lanny Davis this week is his relationship to Fertosh, Dimitri Fertosh. He's a Ukrainian oligarch who's often linked to Simeon Mogolavich, okay? And that's a Putin confidant and probably the most powerful mobster in the world. Fertosh is repped by Lani Davis because he's fighting extradition to Chicago where he faces charges of racketeering and money laundering. And Davis is receiving about a million dollars a year to represent Fertosh. Interestingly, Mogulavitch turned up on the FBI's 10 most

wanted list when Robert Mueller was the director of the FBI back in the day. And he's been involved in not Mueller, but Mogulavitch. He's been involved in prostitution, weapons trafficking, smuggling of nuclear material, drug trafficking, and money laundering, just to name a few. Wait, smuggling of nuclear material. And prostitute, I'm just paints a picture. Smuggling what and where?

Nuclear prostitute. And then, Vanyenko, the Russian that was slowly poisoned to death, that was Mogolayevich. Oh my gosh, he's the guy. He was an informant. He was a whistleblower on Mogolayvich. Oh my gosh. He's the guy. He was an informant. He was a whistleblower on Mogolayvich. Oh wow. Lanny Davis denies that his client for Tosh is at all connected to Putin or Mogolayvich and he never talks about representing him in public. Nor does he show up on his client list on his website. But the New York Times refers to him as the front man of

the dark side. That's how they call Lanny Davis. Having represented not only for Tosh, but a brutally aggressive dictator in equatorial guinea and the Ivory Coast as well. Additionally, his client for Tosh did business with Manifort while he was working for the pro-Putin Ukrainian candidate, Victor Yanukovych, we've talked about him a million times. When for Tosh committed $1.5 billion for a real estate deal in New York, do you guys know anyone who does real estate

in New York? I don't know anyone who does real estate in New York? I don't know. Bayrock, oh wait, that's Florida. Understanding Cohen's attorneys ties to the Russian mafia and the Kremlin shed an interesting light on why Lanny Davis is representing Cohen in the first place. And what Cohen did not tell the Southern District of New York that pissed them off so much.

Yeah. If you recall, they threw the book at him in that sentencing memorandum stating he shouldn't get any leniency for cooperating because he wasn't being fully forthcoming about his crimes. They say you have to be a legit cooperating witness, which means you have to tell us everything you've ever done wrong and he didn't do that.

So F. him give him time. And I'm guessing Cohen knows a lot about the Russian mafia. And Lanny Davis is made in this conjecture space beans I think Lanny Davis is there to ensure none of that gets out. Wow Cohen certainly doesn't want to cross Mogul Aivich and that might be why he did not enter into a full cooperation agreement and is willing to do his time Yeah, it's just thinking is that Cohen has to tread that line of not getting on Putin's list, you know Yeah, yeah, and and Cohen's lawyer said he's willing to continue cooperating. Landy Davis says even after and Cohen himself repeated that in an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC.

He also said in that interview quote, the man doesn't tell the truth and it's sad that I should take responsibility for his dirty deeds. it's sad that I should take responsibility for his dirty deeds. And of course, Trump has a lot to say about Cohen since then. He said that he never instructed Cohen to do anything wrong. Note that language here. He didn't say I never instructed him to make a payment. He said, he said, I never instructed him to do anything wrong. He went on to say that Cohen was his lawyer, and it was his mistake,

and that he should be able to trust his lawyer to do the right thing. Yes, do the right thing when you're paying off mistresses to keep their mouth shut, you have to do it the right way. Yeah, nice trying to say it. And then, and that statement's funny, considering Trump has said in the past,

that he wasn't his lawyer. He did very little law, he was more of a PR guy. Fixer. Cohen is very little law. He was more of a PR guy. Big Sir. Cohen is your PR guy. Okay. Trump also denied having the affairs this week and accused political opponents of focusing on the campaign finance matter

because they failed to prove collusion tweeting, my favorite response of the week, quote, Democrats can't find a smocking gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia after James Comey's testimony. No smocking gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia after James Comey's testimony no smocking gun no no collusion so Dems do a simple private they turn to a simple private transaction wrongly calling it campaign contribution the jokes right themselves guys he's someone's like oh

it's a typo his his supporters like get over to typo twice a typo twice I don't think it is a typo. I know a lot of people think that he's just too dumb and I know how to spell smoking, but I think he just likes it when he gets attention for typos more than attention for other stories. You're giving way too much. He studies his own tweets though.

He's totally stupid. He likes to repeat his tweets, the ones that are more effective and he admitted that the ones that are effective are the most shocking. And typos are shocking to people. They're like, how could you? You're the president and they just like talk about that are effective are the most shocking. And typos are shocking at people. They're like, how could you? You're the president, and they just like talk about that more than other things sometimes. That is an interesting opinion.

I disagree with it 100%. It's a theory. It's a theory. I think he could be both. I spelled Bush wrong in the second grade, and I spelled B, and I end up to it because I'm a man. Okay. That's all.

I spelled it with a C and a like SCH. Oh, interesting. I blame capitalism. But that's clear. Yeah. Right. Thank you. But I was seven.

So no credit for that. No credit for that. And try to have the mind of a seven year old. You're right about that, A.G. But I think he does steady his tweets enough to want to repeat things for. I don't think he's out there. I want, oh look, it's not spelled correctly. I'll leave it twice.

You don't think so? Nope. Not one bit. Maybe the artist. I can't say. Also, whatever. We don't want to shame people for being stupid I guess as long as you know also ruin the world. Exactly. That's all we're asking. That's it. It's very simple standards. I'm kind of a grammar nerd. But grammar nothing and that's a spelling thing. So you know, I don't know. It was just it was twice There's a little red squiggly line underneath it. Yeah, he might actually be that dumb. It's totally likely. He capitalized it. I like the double. Maybe that's what happened. You know what? I'm gonna go ahead and go on and limit say, because when you capitalize something, make it a proper noun, which he does randomly for no reason.

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So Cohen begins serving his sentence, March 6th. Yay. It's gonna come up faster than we realize I bet. Yeah, springtime. Because Christmas is almost over. It's practically over. I did find myself a little bit emotionally affected by his statements, I must admit.

Oh, Cohen. Not to say I think he deserves any less of a sentence, but that would be such a crazy come to Jesus moment to have in front of the entire nation. He completely did it to himself, but I believe he has legitimate remorse for just, he's probably just like, man, what the, what the fuck habit did my life that led me to this point? It sounds like it. Yeah, to be able to admit that you did that and you were in that place and he admitted to being weak and Blind had blind loyalty. Yeah, but it's like an opportunity to he's admitting that he wanted the lifestyle, right?

It's a part of it or I suppose I suppose I understood right and I guess I understand it if you aren't a dick when you're doing like He came after people and said he a dick when you're doing, like he came after people and said he was gonna, you're fucking disgusting. You don't even wanna know what I'm gonna do to you, you fuck you, you know, and you're just like, oh yeah. Take a bullet for Trump, all that stuff was weird, man. Yeah.

It's like watching a fragile 13 year old boy just be his layers peeled down in front of us, you know, that's how it felt. That reminds me of that whole story we did on Kavanaugh, where the woman who wrote the article about toxic, no, homotoxicity. Oh yeah, yeah. Where men get, you know, try to,

they're more focused on impressing other men by demeaning and hurting other people, particularly women. Right, like hazing kind of idea, yeah. But specifically, gender specific. They call it homotoxicity. And I thought that was a really interesting concept. I'd never heard that word before.

But if you think about Kavanaugh and his buddy, high-fiving and laughing at this poor woman who is terrified and violated, Kavanaugh at that moment is not thinking about the woman. He's thinking about impressing his buddy. Exactly. Yeah. I've seen it on minor levels too, like even, you know, today it's still a thing, I think,

within that male culture that it's just like, you know, we want to roll our eyes, but it can also get really bad, like with Kavanaugh, it can be terrible, you know, damaging, yeah. And here's Cohen, like, I'll walk over and trash anybody and fuck your life up, and I don't fucking care, because I'm here to impress my buddy. Right. Yeah, and maybe it's even a people thing but I love that word too because maybe that's the bigger issue is the male dominance but I think just in general like I've seen women that like maybe have a certain privilege and they'll just shit on someone else just to get ahead like you're so awesome that you kind of attribute shittiness to like all people equally you're like it's it's sprinkled in there you happen you know

Democrats can be taken advantage of things women can be You're not all men for them But the major issue you're totally right is the male issue then but I do think that I mean homotoxicity simply means same sex right So it does apply to the way you're saying I'm just saying as you focus Yeah, the Kavanaugh example or the Kona. Yeah, Kona. The Sandrist. I get that.

Yeah. And as a woman, maybe I'm being biased when I say male is the main issue, but it does seem like, you know, in terms of all that matter as an example, like sure everyone's life matters, but then there's the, you know, African-American area. So I do feel like men have it a little worse when it comes to one upping each other. 96% of violent crime is committed by men. Okay. So that's what I'm saying. Anyway. I want to give a shout out to our male allies. We love you. Yeah. Women are sneaky. We're a little more caddy and social. Oh, we will wreck your life.

We're psychological sometimes. Before you even know what happens. Oh, we're, we're, we're, but not violent naturally. Not many of us. No, this is psychological. Yeah, yeah, which can be awful to watch out. I was gonna play Wham last Christmas and like below everybody's Whamageddon Shouts. But that's like a lot of people you'd be running the game for right now. Yeah, I decided not to. I was just gonna open the show with it and have everybody go Because I got knocked out this week. Yeah early on to yeah Tuesday. Yeah, Tuesday, I was at your show, got knocked out. Yeah, if you don't know what WAM again is, just Google, you'll love it. You're probably still in if you don't know what the game is.

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So for this week, I pretty much have no idea who to draft. It's clear that we don't know what Mueller is up to. I thought Stone and Diamonds were going to come a couple weeks ago, nothing. They could be waiting for that Miller thing to get through. Who knows what the delay is, but I'm going to go ahead and choose my team based purely on points this week, points and dreams. Okay. So I'm going to go with Stone, Assange, Jr., Ivaga, and Kushner. And I also want to announce that we're adding a bonus pick now for the fantasy indictment

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Like I said, it's with Virginia Heffernin from Trumpcast. And it's all about the insanity that happened Friday at the DC Court of Appeals. Very nice. All right. Who are you guys going with? Big fish, right? You think you're thinking big fish this week? I'm first of all. Who nice. All right who you guys got with? Um big fish right you think you're thinking big fish this week? First of all who's big fish? Did you mean furtosh? This would be a funny nickname for someone. Um weird today. Yeah I'm on a weird thing too.

And maybe it's just you're all normal and we're like there. Hey it's the marijuana. That's the only difference I think. Oh Jordan's a little high so maybe it's not just that. That's the only difference I think. Oh Jordan's a little high so maybe that's not just that. That could be higher. That's my problem. I'm dead zero wine and it just throws me out. You're sober. Yeah, but tonight that'll change. I'll get someone tonight. I'm guessing. I don't know. We'll see. Okay. We'll see how it goes. For dinner. Yeah. Okay. So I'm thinking Cush, Don Jr., Ivanka, Stone, and I can't think between Corsi and Assange. I'm gonna go with Corsi.

Okay, for a plea agreement? No, I wouldn't. Just regularly, yeah. I was just too of Corsi. Mm-hmm, yeah. Yeah, I still think he's gonna noneburg eventually, but I guess I'll keep him off for now. I'm gonna go Stone Assange, Cushner, DTJ, and a Rando.

Ooh, Rando. Yeah. Nice. Maybe wrapped up in the boot and a shit somewhere or something. Yeah. Could be. Yeah, I'm allowing boot and even though it's not a Mueller investigation because it's Russian interference in the election.

Infiltration of the Republican Party. So I say it counts. There's overlap there for sure. Now, are you sure you want to go to Corsi because he just filed a lawsuit against Mueller? So he'll be a little while. That's what you're thinking. Well, who knows? My wife that plans out. Yeah, we know what I got for you. Here's this. Yeah, I was giving you the chance I was dangling. Please. Yeah, Mueller might not wait for that stupid lawsuit to go. Right. Well, usually I do the Rando's and I never worked out for me so far, which means it's gonna be your week for sure now.

I think I'm gonna go with a song then because we're still waiting for that right?'re still any minute now yeah yeah exactly we are did I did I pick a song too? Yeah you did yeah all right cool and you got them see right Jordan nice yeah yeah because I think that they can actually indict a song separate from stone just be like person one person to person like like not yeah me men they're a redacted shit out of it they have a seal indictment as soon as he steps foot out of that goddamn embassy. I think that he'll be like Mark on his head. They've got like a guy in the phone like go go and then like unseal indictment. Bam. Extra-dite immediately. So the hawk has left the building. Yeah, like a code word for him. Yeah. His cat is just left at the airport alone. The

albino mode that has landed. It's fort. All right, you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. Yes. And wouldn't you know what you guys, right when I got off the phone with Elizabeth McLaughlin to cover the Trump inaugural story. ProPublica comes out with news that Trump's inauguration lined the pockets of the Trump organization with Ivanka in the middle.

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha! So after spending a year wondering where all the money went, it may have gone to Trump, which is probably a crime. It turns out the inaugural fund fund run by Tom Barich, he's the guy who introduced Manafort to Trump, and he's the guy. Yeah, the anti-Brock. Randy R&C, he was the finance chair of the inaugural committee,

and he ran a couple of super PACs as well. He paid the Trump organization for rooms meals. No, sorry, the inaugural fund paid the Trump organization for rooms, meals, and event space at Trump's downtown DC hotel, according to emails and receipts viewed by WNYC and pro-publica. Further, Avanka was involved in negotiating the price and top inaugural planner, emailed Avanka to express concern that the hotel was overcharging. Trump hotel was overcharging and I'm worried what would happen, quote, when this is audited. If they overcharged, that could be a violation of tax law. If you remember from our past reporting, about $50 million went unaccounted for, enter

in the inaugural fund, right? Enter a Stephanie Wolkopf. She was one of the lead organizers of the inaugural and sent an email to Ivanka and Gates expressing discomfort with the prices that the Trump hotel was charging saying quote, these are these events are in the president elect's honor at his hotel and one of them is for family and close friends. When this is audited, it will become public knowledge. Oh, sorry, I thought she was dumb. I was dumb. I was reading around. Please take into consideration that when this is audited, it will become public knowledge as other locations would be provided to the inaugural for free. So Wolkopf also raised concerns about spending in a conversation with Michael Cohen.

According to the Wall Street Journal's reporting and federal prosecutors have a recording of that conversation as you heard Elizabeth and I talking about. It was Wolkoss firm that took that $26 million payment from the inaugural fund. She's Melania's friend and everyone's people were like, $26 million for what? Obama's entire inauguration cost $58 million and he had people you've actually heard of. I never imagined Melania having a friend. She deserves a friend, but I never thought about her in a social element length.

Probably more of a servant. Additionally, some other vendors raised eyebrows when Gates asked them to take payments outside the normal committee invoicing process. Gates. Gates is involved in this. The punishment for this kind of crime is usually a fine with interest in penalties,

like 25% penalty. I already have Ivanka on my fantasy indictment team, so this doesn't change my picks. Okay. Do you guys already have her? Yeah, I'm just gonna put a little star next to her name now. Yeah, just a little extra fuck you. Yeah, yeah.

I don't have her, but I don't know if it's gonna move that quickly, so I'm not gonna put her on yet. All right, good call. But she's also, it's like, I kinda had her before, not for this, but I kinda of had her for Trump org before, right, with that whole writing the checks for Pecker. Yeah, Pecker checks. They're going down sometime.

Pecker checks, that sounds like something they probably do in the military. Anyway. Guys, it's time for the interview. So joining us today for the interview is the host of Slate's Trump cast. She's a contributing editor of Wired and a colonist at the LA Times.

She's a national treasure. Everyone welcome Virginia Heffernin. Virginia, welcome to Mueller, she wrote. Thank you, A.G. I'm so glad we're doing this. This is a turnabout because you were just on Trump cast and you were a huge hit. Thank you so much.

I had a blast and I couldn't wait to get you on our show so that any of our listeners who hadn't yet heard of you I don't although I don't know how that's possible could you know check you out because you You know you and I and other there's a whole group of us that have just been following this so closely from from the beginning or for at least in the early stages and I've been dying to have you on. So today, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about this super secret, super secret subpoena battle.

It's been going on. I remember we had a lot of reporting on it when I was trying to be on vacation. I was just looking back. October 31st is when Nelson Cunningham, a former federal prosecutor, is anyone not a former federal prosecutor except you and me? I just think I've decided that that's what everyone is. FFPs. So Nelson Cunningham,

opined, suggested in Politico on 31st, 2018, October 31st, Halloween is of course an important day to all of us because it was a disaster in 2016, but we won't go back to that. Cunningham suggested that it might be Donald Trump fighting a subpoena from Robert Mueller in the super secret subpoena battle. Yeah, and then Marcie Wheeler came out with her article saying, I'm not,

I don't think it's Trump and here's why. And she was saying that this doesn't actually have the alacrity and speed that everyone thinks it does because it's going just as fast as Andrew Miller's subpoena case is going. And actually the hearing is a little bit later. Today, actually. And that one was in November.

But she just had a couple of arguments also that if it were Trump, we would have heard about it. It would have leaked somehow because his White House is just ridiculous. So that's kind of what I wanted to talk to you about. Who you think it is. Well, I, okay, let's say there is one person who doesn't leak in the White House who I think about a lot.

And he doesn't, because he doesn't leak, we don't talk about him because he's not one of the car needs. And he's Emmett T. Fleb the fourth forest. Acting White House Council and also the president's impeachment defense attorney if it comes to that. And he's a very different sort than Giuliani. Giuliani, if Seth Abramsson and others are to be believed are basically campaigned flack people for Trump trying to keep him in office where he presumably is more difficult to indict. No, is he part of the story, and I think we reported on this too, that when was it John

Kelly, was Sipinad and Emmett Flood was like, no, you're going to have to prove that you have to talk to Kelly, and then Mueller apparently proved it because Kelly did go and talk to Mueller. Yeah, so this is like a very proceduralist thing to do. It's like, it sounds like flood. Like he's gonna, I don't know if you've had Ross Garber on your show, but he's sort of the only other committed impeachment lawyer because impeachment laws, you don't do defenses for impeachment very often. Obviously, we haven't had many presidents,

so Russ does governors' impeachment. And his point is that where someone like Giuliani either works for no money and it's just the flash and he's a criminal defense attorney like Alan Dershwitz or the late Robert Shapiro, just wearing fancy suits doing that, where the impeachment defense attorney works for the people. He's taxpayer-funded.

His job is to defend the executive branch and the White House against threats to its integrity. And it's at least 25% possible, but flood sees the threat to the integrity of the White House. Looking ahead, wondering, is it a greater black eye for the country to have our president, a former president in Supermax, or to have him get off in some way? And I honestly don't know. Yeah, I don't know what's's because we have to think about constantly that

whatever we do now is going to set a precedent for any of this kind of behavior in the future yeah i mean it's been such a weird either way it's a signal i mean sometimes i think that it just would be devastating to our sense of justice not to have someone behind bars uh... and to have someone behind bars and not to have him behind bars. On the other hand, it would be a new kind of humiliation visited on our country that we have to have a felon. You and I are both reporting and we have been for a while that we've talked about, Mueller needing to interview Trump

face to face on obstruction, because you can't do a handwritten take home test like he did for collusion for obstruction, because you have to get at intent and you have to do that through a face to face interview. And so it's interesting to me that we know that Emmett Flood said no to about John Kelly and that Mueller's interesting to me that we know that Emmett flood said no to about John Kelly and that Mueller was able to prove that that's the only way we can get this information. And he won that battle. And now, like he said, we were expecting, I

was kind of expecting a Trump subpoena a while back. And that's kind of what leads you down this road again. Do you know what i mean yet i think in the kind of peace what you what he reminded us of it all last summer and into the fall uh... julie ony was on television saying we're talking about her were negotiating with muller and you know this is all gonna work out at the witch hunt but it also you know we're gonna put this to rest and trump was nothing more than to testify and clear his name

which is obviously bunk, except that there may have been a grain of truth to the negotiating. I just see it as, I mean, I don't even want to assume that it's Trump because there like, it certainly could be someone else. And as you say, this went down with John Kelly. It could be another highly placed cabinet official. But if it is Trump, there were signs. We used to hear Giuliani talk a lot about dealing with Mueller.

Now we don't. And the other part of that is the question of would they keep it secret is that I think flood, I'll tell you my fantasy. I think, I mean flood is, you know, has a PhD in the humanities, which in dearer's sense of my heart, he's an actual scholar, he's not a, I mean, his work is on narrative theory, then at the same time he's worked for the Clintons, he's worked for Bush, he's a proceduralist, he's an institutionalist. You know, it seems significant to me that he has of the fourth after his name,

like Mueller has a third after his name. Like these are, you know, the last of those waspy people that were supposed to miss now that, you know, George Bush has died. And he's not a reality show person. He's not a world wrestling entertainment person. He's scrupulous. And his client is, are the American people and the executive branch of the United States.

And what he wants is a soft landing for all this, so that that branch of government, that we all have a stake in preserving states preserved. Okay, that's long data. 1. Data. 2 is, there's some evidence that Ty Cobb, Trump's former lawyer in this role, and Mueller, we're back channeling a little bit.

Like, we have this really weird client, I mean, we have this really weird president, and we need to do something about this within the bounds of the law. And I just, I'm just convinced that in some ways, Flood and Mueller are collaborating on a soft landing soft landing or at least that's my fantasy. How can we like count full him out? Yeah, that's really interesting because I was just talking to Elizabeth McLaughlin earlier today about the possibility of approaching Trump Mueller approaching Trump and saying hey, let's make a deal. You can keep all of your assets and

You know in in exchange I get a resignation out of you. We soft land this whole thing. I mean, it seems really, it seems, it's in the people's interest. I mean, Mueller and Flood are both, you know, they're both paid by taxpayers and they should want what's best for the country. And I hope they do. I mean, God, I don't want them to keep all of that stuff, though. Don't you think it's good for this country to have his assets from, I think it's in the

interest of new American people, don't you, A.G.? I do. I would love to take over Trump Tower and just make it a big artist's commune. Exactly. Make it a series of sanctuary towers across the globe for refugees. That's my idea. And Taco trucks out front all the time. Yeah, so I guess today at the courthouse because we had learned back in September, October that the hearing on this secret subpoena was going to be December 14th and we were all like,

yeah, we're going to find out because that's a public hearing and then we find out that that's going to be behind closed doors and closed session. And now we find out today that we had, you know, there were people on the ground all around staking out this courthouse trying to see who's going in and out. They sealed off the entire floor and they pushed the press off to one side of the building where they couldn't see presumably the entrance and exit. But I guess CNN noted that 10 minutes after the court activity wrapped up, a big black justice department car rolled into Mueller's

office carrying dribin and Amad. You know, and. Yes, Amad Zaynab. These are like the, you know, beyond saying Jay-Z of Mueller's room. Like, Amad Zaynab, who prosecuted, you know, Beyonce and Jay-Z of Mueller's room. Like, I'm a Zaynab who prosecuted, you know, was a New York prosecutor after 9-11, Superhero, and Michael Dreeben, who's just, his name inspires all in all, you know,

in all federal prosecutors. Apparently, he has just this a psychopedic understanding of everything from like maritime law of the 1890s up till you know how to flip a mobster or whatever. So yes and so the fan girls, the stands that love the Mueller team were definitely how their tails wagging when when Zanem Ahmed and no Zanem Ahmed right her last name is Ahmed and Michael Dribben walked by. Yeah, so that just is another point that it is Mueller and the grand jury was there and or not, you know, maybe not Mueller himself, but Mueller's team and the grand jury was

there and that this is so this is so important that this keep under wraps and that goes along with what you're talking about how it's just important for our democracy that this entire thing lands softly. Yeah, yeah, I mean, our better angels has who called it our better angels, or in hatch, but it should want, you know, none of us wants to see the executive branch. You know, we don't have that leaves us a two-legged stool if the executive branch goes up

and flames. Like, we don't want to scrap all of this. We really don't. And, you know, on the right, we don't want to turn it over to, like, a soft coup run by, you know, unelected generals. So, you know, I don't think it's time for either torches or some, you know, crazy internal, you know, resistance, dayt resistance, stay taught. I don't think either one of those will save us. Hopefully, we'll just, you know, we'll be a nation of laws not men, and the laws will also be the laws that protect the White House. Not, you know, not the ones that protect Donald Trump or the

weird loopholes that he's used to protect himself, Michael Cohen and NDA, and everyone who works for him so they work in his Omer test syndicate. That's not what we're talking about when we talk about a nation of laws, but hopefully it'll be people committed to the interests of the American people and yes find a soft landing. But wait, I want a differential diagnosis from you on who you think the person fighting has the peanut or hersapina might be, if not Donald

Trump. Oh, who would it be besides Trump? Initially I thought it would be somebody in the same realm as Miller, but that was before it became so super secret, and Miller's did not. They obviously, you know, there was a fork in the road, and the secret subpoena battle took the road. And the secret subpoena battle took the road less traveled. So I was thinking it could possibly be like John Kelly, it could be McGahn, but McGahn has been cooperating. And so there would be no need for a subpoena. And he's also represented by Burke, who represents

Previs and Bannon. So it's not those guys because they all have to kind of be in agreement in order for Burke to be the lawyer for all three of them. So it really just brought me back to Trump or Pence. Yeah. Pence, right. Can we get a Pence for a second, because Seth Averfinger said on our show that he thinks Pence is getting off scot-free. I don't know. I'm not sure I know what you think on that. It's hard, because Pence has been so insulated from all of this

as as in the physical manifestation of that came true in that White House meeting with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi where he just sat there like weekend at Bernice and believable that robot faith. He did nothing and that's kind of how I, like that to me, is the physical manifestation of his role in this entire Russian investigation. He was the head of the transition team. There is no way in my mind that he could not have had knowledge of Michael Flynn's son, which he refused to answer directly about having a security clearance request put in or any of the, and we all know Mueller has all of the transition emails that he got from the GSA

because the guy that Trump installed to help insulate them was died. And so he wasn't there anymore. And I just can't imagine that he has nothing to do with this and we haven't heard anything and it's been kept so secret and that's why I'm like, maybe this is the secret subpoena battle because that's just all in that super secret insulated

Pence world. But I couldn't, I couldn't in my mind kind of connect how Pence would be subpoenaed unless it was about something specifically about Russia contacts, core to the Mueller investigation during the transition or obstruction. Yeah, like the like the Flynn call, like the Mar-a-Lago Flynn calls with Kisley-Ak or the you know freelance thing on national security that freestyleing a national security that Flynn did while Obama was still president during the transition. I mean, let me remember, did Pence not go to Mar-a-Lago? Well, there's some ways that he has cautiously kept his Christian distance from things? But we still suspect that he knew.

Yeah, from my understanding, he wasn't there. From my understanding, he kept himself far, far away from all of it, physically and, you know, I guess, figuratively speaking. Mother said you're not spending New Year's Eve with those absolute Marlago people, talking to Russians, not my Mikey.

But then there's that other thing where Manifort shows pants. I mean, pants, you know, one thing I think we've been seeing a bit of and I know you've already talked about Maria Bhutanah, I just learned her pronunciation. But is the sort of evangelical NRA connection that sometimes the Trump is using evangelicals to kind of whitewash him. And it could have been that Manafort as a savvy political operative was like Trump as a weak flank as a thrice-marriedice married you know chronic obsessive adulterer

he's gonna have trouble with the mental cause we need pence or it could be possible that he's just filthy himself in some level like the fall well kid or you know some of the gang at liberty university so he was easily bought or brought her blackmailed yeah or you know maybe he was part of the RNC hack or perhaps he took Russian money. I think there's reports that his brother did in Indiana.

I mean, I really just don't know. This is the one part of the investigation that they've been just able to keep under wraps. And so that's why I'm like, maybe it's Pence. But I think I'm kind of, but I can't make that connection, that subpoena connection with pants, but other than those two things, I had mentioned obstruction and Russian involvement in the transition during the transition, which Mueller would have

and Mueller would know, and so that could be it, but that whole, your whole idea about it being Trump and having Bob Mueller wanting to work with emett flood and others uh... high up in our government to make sure that this you know doesn't cracked the democracy wide open is a very good a very good point to take i think uh... i will say that the other thing i've learned from the in the defense lawyer ross garbard as the first thing you want if you're defending

if you're you know you're you're standing for the if you're standing for the office of the governor and the office of the president, the first thing you want to do is make sure your client does not testify. Sorry, the occupant of your client, which is the White House itself, doesn't testify because politicians lie and they also, every one of them, but most notably Trump, think that they're so charismatic, that they can manipulate prosecutors, which, you know, I mean, all of us would love to see a show down between the infinitely not charismatic Donald Trump and the infinitely rational robber Mueller.

Like, you just want to see them across from each other and Trump try to squirm his way out of it, which would be very satisfying, I think. I just feel like Maniford or Mueller would just stare at him. Yeah. I don't think it would be like a Nancy Chuck discussion. It would just be him like letting him go and tell these shots up and then maybe saying something of import and then just staring at him like you are just a buffoon. I'm not sure. I'm glad you brought up Nancy though. I mean, I don't want to turn the tables too much, but Pence, if we're talking about Pence and the, you know, I guess fairly marginal possibility

that he'll be out too with Trump, that would leave us with President Pelosi. Do you ever think about it? I do, but I can't figure out how it would be possible that both Pence and Trump would leave office at the exact same time in a manner in such that that Pence wouldn't leave first and Trump would get to a point another VP or vice versa. It just seems like

how would they both leave it exactly the same time? Well, she definitely seems to be hooting up for some Moment in the spotlight for something that coat was fabulous, I want one. It really was. They're re-eishing it from Max Mara. Oh, oh, well, I have to get one. Yes, the policy coat is totally. Oh, it's going to be like $8 million watch.

I was just reading up on Nancy Pelosi. Did you know her, her mother's chief of first Italian immigrant to, you know, lead immigrant to lead a house speaker, first Italian American of either gender. And she also is, she also, her mother is from like an ancient Italian family of nice makers, like they make the best knives. So I feel like she is ready to shave.

That's what I take away from that. That's a very symbolic. I love it. All right. Well, I really appreciate you coming on today, talking to me about the super super secret subpoena battle. It's been killing me and I was so sad to learn that this today's proceedings were going to be behind closed doors and they seem to do a good job of hiding it, but we do know. I think we can all go know and we've kind of known this from Politico reporting. It does have to do with Mueller and his grand jury. So we'll keep an eye on it.

Presumably, we'll figure out what it was. Unless it's all subsumed in this, you know, the plot to create a soft landing for everything. Who knows? But tell everyone where they can find your podcast and follow you on Twitter. I am at page 88, just page 88, and Trumpcast is followable at real Trumpcast on Twitter. All right, great. Well, thank you again, everybody, Virginia Heffernin. Thank you, A.G. All right, guys, that is our show today. As always, with all of our interviews,

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I'm sure he'd be really into it. We should have a big bean feast after this. Yeah, I think that that would be... You know what? No beans. Can I have lunch? I'm not eating any other way. I just want to be there for the festivities.

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