Jack - Conversations from Politicon vol. 1 (feat. Aida Rodriguez, Cameron Kasky, H. Alan Scott and Brent Sullivan)

Episode Date: October 29, 2018

Ep #52 - Joining us this week for part one of our Politicon megasode is Cameron Kasky (March For Our Lives), Aida Rodriguez (Last Comic Standing), H. Alan Scott and Brent Sullivan (You're Making It Worse Podcast)! Enjoy! Register to Vote HERE: https://vote.gov 

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be glad you did. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I think that's obviously what our position is. I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time of truth in that campaign, and I didn't have not have communications with the Russians. What do I have to get involved with Putin for having nothing to do with Putin?

I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about a mother than he will respect me. Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. So, it is political. You're a communist! No, Mr. Green. Communism is just a red herring. Like all members of the oldest profession I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller She Wrote. I'm your anonymous host, A.G. And recently, Jordan Jolissa and I got to spend a couple of days of politicon. We talked to all sorts of interesting people on both sides of the aisle

or all three sides of the aisle if you want to call it that. We have some really amazing conversations. So we've got some clips from the live stage show for you. We've got some really great interviews coming up. So stick around. We'll be right back. Hey guys, I want to hand it off to Jordan Coburn. And I want you to talk a little bit about why we do this.

Yeah, so basically we noticed that there was a lack of women voices in the podcasting arena, especially in the politics arena. So when the indictments first dropped, we wanted to create something that was accessible to everybody, especially accessible for women voices, by women, for women. Our whole podcast is run by women. Everything that we do, merch, you know, subscriber managers, everything. We always use women. And basically, we just wanted to make something

that could follow the investigation for a week to week and it was gonna be palatable to everyone. We don't want people to listen to us and think we're being pretentious and talking about things they can't really catch up with. We're very step-by-step with how we report and if anyone ever has questions, we love having those on the podcast and it's very organic and it's really fun. We like to believe you think you're,

you know, it's like you're hanging out with us in the room when we're doing it. All right, thanks Jordan. And Julie, can you get into a little bit why it's important that we at least kind of reach out to and maybe understand or kind of cooperate a little bit with young people, particularly as we come up to these midterm election. Definitely. I feel like one of our guests will have a really nice and depth dive. Yeah, yeah, and I'm feeling a little old compared to one of our guests, too, so I'm going to give my elder millennial perspective here.

I mean, looking around the room, you can see how many young people, if you want to judge them, like, yeah, there's only so many of us. And I do feel like that's because traditionally, you know, we care about less important things. And we're in a post-911 millennial generation. So I think the pressure is more on for these young kids to care about what's happening in their schools because, you know, in their lives, it's reaching them in places that it rarely has before. And a lot of youth are opposed to Columbine, too. I feel like there's a lot of things that other generations just didn't have to think about.

So we're being forced to think about it. And it's slowly getting there. It was at 26% for the 18 and 29 turnout. So I mean, that's low, but still prerogra. I mean, if we get that to 30%, it would be a game changer. It just 5% more of youth, which is, take this place over. So I think it's important, first, to know our powers and know our voice is important, and children

are the future. So before global warming kills us, yes, you're important. Definitely. I love this, kid. He's got to share it with Jesus on it. And it says, I didn't say that. I love it. It's fantastic. That love this kid. He's got to share with Jesus on it. And it says, I didn't say that. I love it. It's fantastic.

That's absolutely fantastic. And speaking of young folks at the ripe old age of 17, Cameron Kasky is an activist and an advocate against gun violence as a survivor of the deadliest high school shooting, which occurred at Stoman Douglas High School on Valentine's Day of 2018. Cameron has gone on to co-found the Student Land Gun Control Advocacy Group never again, MSD. He also played a significant role in organizing the March of Our Lives protest in March of 2018.

Cameron comes to us as a member of Gen Z who can shed some insight into what they use think in politics. Everybody please welcome Cameron Cassie. insight into what they use thinking politics everybody please welcome camera cask Gen Z yeah that's me everyone hey guys look how old I am I'm uh I'm almost 18 I can I actually can't vote this year did you know that my birthday is November 11th and I was six days late so if any of you would like to email my mother you could you could bring that up with her. She could have eaten spicy foods.

I read this whole thing about it. Hey, everyone. Hi. Hi, I watched Friends. Yeah. How old were you when Friends came out? No. How old was I when Friends came out?

So I'm actually, I grew up on the office. And I actually have a big admiration for cheers, which I believe is pre-friends. And didn't Frazier Air as friends was airing, wasn't that? Kind of an open. No, there was mostly overlap. Frazier was like 94 to 2004, right? It's the best one.

David Hyde Pierce is an unmatched talent, truly. All right, now I'm like 10 years old. Other panelists, she was a finalist on last comic standing season 8. You've seen on HBO, True TV and BC. She's a regular on the young Turks. She has a radio show called Dash. Monday is at 5 p.m. She works closely with Puerto Rico helping aid, helping to aid Puerto Rico.

My favorite thing is she helps foster children who are about to become voting age registered to vote. And she advocates for local elections. Please welcome Ada Rodriguez. Alright guys, normally in the podcast, the first thing that we do is we jump into just the facts. There's this thing that we run our podcast is I give you the facts from reporting, from the weak, corroborated facts, sourced facts, then we wildly speculate

on all sorts of insane stuff later on. But we make sure to tell you the difference because I think the problem with a lot of media, especially on social media, is they speculate wildly but don't tell you that they have nothing to back up their assertions. So I want to be very clear about that. Otherwise my IRB panel for my PhD would kill me. They would find me and hunt me down in the night and they would literally kill me. So the first thing I want to do is to jump into just the facts and talk about with our panel some of the stories that came out this week in the molar investigation because that's what we do. My favorite story this week and I'm gonna kick off with it. I don't care if I blow him a low too soon.

It's my favorite story. I call it the Manifort suit. So basically Manifort filed a motion to be able to wear a suit in his appearance in court on Friday. Now if you remember, Manifort was out on bail before he began cooperating. He was wearing two ankle bracelets, very fashionable. But then he was talking to

his old EU-Yana-covage buddies, including a guy named Sager, not Sager, and not Nader, not Nadler, but Sager, who incidentally is the guy a Trump aide got Rick Gates' email addressed from so he could send him Israeli Syox proposals on how to cheat in the election. But Manifort was telling his friend Sager what to say in the trial, which is ding-ding witness tampering and obstruction of justice. So they threw his ass in jail. Now he's been in jail. It was Judge Amy, Ms. Jackson, if you're nasty. She threw him in jail.

And what was great was he appeared before Ellis this week in a wheelchair in his jumpsuit Apparently sick from the nutrition or the lack of that he's been receiving in jail very sad pobacito And Ellis was hilarious. You know Ellis. He's crazy. Honey badger. Don't give a shit judge out So he he looks at him. He's like he's like yeah, he hasn't gotten the proper nutrition in jail. And I was like, I didn't put him in jail. So hilarious. Anyway, he wouldn't let him. Ellis would not let him wear a suit.

He had to wear his jumpsuit. He had to wear his prison uniform. And I think this is very important because justice is the great equalizer. And if everyone else, all the regular folks who have been to jail, they have to appear in court in their jumpsuit. So does he. Now, if you have a jury trial, you can appear in a suit because we want innocent, we were innocent until proven guilty, and that jumpsuit can take that away from you.

But this guy is, I'm sorry, a fucking convicted fellow. So he doesn't need the presumption of innocence at this point. You can wear his goddamn jumpsuit. I think this is fantastic. What do you guys think about this? Because I think it's amazing that it's just the equalizer. Yeah, it's bringing his, him down to a level that he's not comfortable with. His altitude now, it's very low from the privilege he's used to. And I think that's the beautiful part of it, is that he's learning now that you can't just commit treason and get away with it, which I think

most of us are aware of. And I feel like it's just fair that he learns his lesson. with it, which I think most of us are aware of, and I feel like it's just fair that he learns his lesson. I just like to look at it from a different perspective. What if imagine somebody who wasn't, who he is, making that request, people would laugh, right, and say, who does this guy think he is? How many black and brown people have you seen in these orange jumpsuits? They do attribute to a stigma. You know, there's a connotation that goes along with it, but that's the connotation that should be attached to a fucking criminal.

So that's the... You know, regular folks don't even get the chance to ask the question. Yeah. They are carted out in front of the judge wearing their jumpsuit. Yeah. They don't even know when, who they can call, or what their phone call is, or what their rights are. So, I'm like, if that's going to happen.

I think you should watch Orange is the new black and try to trick it out. You know, how do you? That's a badazo that, bitch, before you wear it. Because that's your reality. And when you go there, you got to, sorry. I think there are two primary schools of thought. On the one hand, look, Maniford is a really sharp looking guy. I'd love seeing him in a suit. He looks great. And he's got that thinning look to him that really is emphasized

by the suit. Not the end of the day. That's what Manifort is. He's eye candy. On the other hand, I mean, a criminal is a criminal. And that's where it is at the end of the day. If he wants to make the jumpsuit a romper, he absolutely absolutely can because I think he would look electric in one. But what really entertains me here is the fact that this process is taking so long and I'm a 17 year old boy so I like things right now. So this is really bothering me. But this is such a long process. That's why Mola Shiroda is such a phenomenal podcast. I'm waiting to see who Trump appoints next.

And speaking of orange is the new black. I would not be surprised if it was crazy eyes. Everybody crazy. I guarantee you, we are two weeks away from crazy eyes becoming the new secretary of the treasury. Yeah, free crazy eyes. I think you're going to hear that. I'm going to get behind that shit.

Crazy eyes actually sounds like a nickname. Trump would give someone. I'm waiting for him to I'm crazy eyes. I'm getting behind that shit. Crazy eyes actually sounds like a nickname Trump would give someone. I'm waiting for him to cause somebody crazy eyes. He is one of the best comedians in the game. Like, you cannot deny that he is a funny man and he's got some great, great comebacks. I take crazy eyes over minution. Definitely.

Secretary of the Treasury, crazy eyes. Great. Fine, I Treasury, crazy eyes. Great. Fine, I'm fine with it. All right, second story I want to talk about. I call this one, Menjante. Something else that happened in the news this week. Simone Menjante, Papadopolis' fiance, rhymes. Provided ABC with a photograph of her Italian passport because Scott Steadman who come

out and started questioning who she was, how old she was, where she was from, where she was born, et cetera. And she did this because of him, and because he did a bunch of, he actually talked to some of her family members and found out that she lied about who she was. ABC took one look at the passport photo and started asking questions. And Mangiaonte then finally had to admit that she doctored it to lie about her age. She said she was 34 when she's actually 37. And the reason she did this was because she wants a career in Hollywood as an actress, is what she said.

And I'm here to tell you, Simona, 34, 37, you're done at 29 in this town. I don't know what you're thinking. Because those days. But we've been questioning her identity for a while. Since March of this year, when it was reported that Darapaska, Oleg Darapaska, aluminum guy, aluminium, if you're crossed upon, he was on a yacht near Italy when Papadabalus was there. And I'm convinced that Mangianti is a Slovakian-born Russian agent sent by Darapaska.

That's conjecture. Okay, I don't have anything to back that up. Other than interesting timing of where boats were in certain seas. But her accent's wonky and now she's admittedly lied about her agent, Dr. Herpassport. I'm curious to see what you guys think about this because we seem to have this growing number of Russian female agents that are attaching themselves to Trump campaign aids and getting information from them. We had Nastya Ripka, we've had Bhutina, Maria Bhutina, Paul Erickson with their Beauty and the Beast video. That was lovely.

That's beautiful. And I got to tell you, you know, I'm not pro-Russia in this situation politically, but that's pretty badass. If you think about it, these female agents are coming in and infiltrating our politics, that is so cool. Totally. I don't want them to be successful, but go to them for at least doing their job well. You know what I mean? I cite Black Widow from the Avengers.

I hope we have a lot of them running around. Yeah, it's using a men's desperation against them, which is satisfying to see on one hand, but it's the expense of our country. It's so different. Yeah. You're like, Paul, you're a three. You're dating a nine. Check yourself.

Something's up. I feel like when you asked him, you might want to check in with the FBI. We need Angela Jolie to play one of these spy women in these Russian movies that have been come out about Mueller. So she did. Yeah. Salt, right? That was just who was?

Yeah, take that. Now they got pepper, they got cayenne, they got all of them. We got a whole rack of spices. I was wondering why there have been a lot of pictures of Kanye with Russian agents lately. That seems interesting. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

He's working on a new album soon. I'm going to take a photo with Trump, so. Oh, the Yikes. You know what I think is interesting is that a lot of people on the right, and I hate to get into the right, the left, the thing, because we all get caught up in this tribalism, and we look stupid when we start. Like the red socks, the Yankees.

But when they criticize feminist women for being strong and empowered, and that there are these pro male groups that our women should be this and it's women who are taking these men down that path. I think it's fun to watch. You know? The Russia is definitely just like years ahead of us in the female equality.

I'm actually for spies sector. I'm very, very convinced my girlfriend is a Russian spy. I do what ever she says. She has me like, that is ridiculous. Yet, I mean, no. Good. It's frustrating to me that she is able to come up and then get so much air time so quickly.

That's very frustrating to me, especially now that's coming out. She's not a credible person, fundamentally. And there's no corrections will come out, of course. There's no way you can take back every time that people get like she got. That's very frustrating. You know what's funny though? I think the fact that she's supposed to be so sharp,

but that she thinks that a three year age difference would make, you know, make a difference in Hollywood. That makes that's really hilarious. I just now realized you guys weren't still talking about my girlfriend. I'm not gonna say, do not talk about her like that. She cannot defend herself here. She's 34? Yeah. Really 37, like that. She cannot defend herself here. She's 34? Yeah, really 37, you know. All right, high five. May 18 November 11th. Oh my God.

All right, so moving on from Mangiante. And I, you know, I have to get, I don't like to be policed as a woman. I don't like mental, I mean, what to do. And I don't think we should police women unless they're Russian spies. And I'm fine with that. So my next story that I wanted to talk to you guys about, I call it SARS. Last May, do you guys know Ronan Farah? Amazing journalist, bullet surprise winner. He did some reporting on the leaks of the Cohen financials from the law enforcement official within the Treasury Department. Remember when Avonati got a hold of bank statements from Cohen which ended up showing a slush

fund for his firm called Essential Consulting? It's a serial. It's a tagline as it's fucking essential. That's where we found out that AT&T and Novartis were tossing in millions of dollars to get access to the president. And there was even a guy named Vexelberg who's a Russian emigrate that got 500,000 in there somewhere. And so large amounts of money in exchange for access to the president.

And of course, Vexelberg is connected to Intrader and Bolivotnik. These are a group of Russian emigres often mobilized by the Kremlin to do their bidding. And we talked about this on the pod last May, and it was known that a law enforcement official saw that there are two of three suspicious activity reports were missing from the database at the Treasury Department. So this person saw one SAR for Cohen, and that one referenced two other SARs. That's a suspicious activity report.

So that person went looking for them, and they were missing from the database, which is 100% unusual, totally unprecedented, and that raised a red flag for this person. So this person called up Ronan Farrow at the New Yorker and it got out, it leaked, and that's how we found out about Novartis and Vexelberg and all that. Really interesting. Well, this week a woman who works for the treasury was arrested for leaking suspicious activity reports to the press.

So it was either this woman that leaked those SARS back then, or there's a pattern of SARS that go missing from that database, both are terrifying. But my question to you guys is this woman a criminal or a whistleblower? Whistleblower, 100%. I mean, she was doing this, apparently, even if it's not connected to the first Cohen SARS she was doing this because she may have believed that there was this like you said similar pattern there yeah and what she leaked was information about Manifort Gates Pravazon Holdings which we know about from the fusion GPS Glens Simpson

transcripts and somebody else Bhutina Maria Bhutina yeah and they were all being investigated it seems like this is related to like a national case that and somebody else, Bhutina, Maria Bhutina. Yeah, and they were all being investigated. It seems like this is related to a national case that everybody's aware of. So for someone to leak something that's already in play, it seems more like a whistleblower thing than, for her to be like, oh, I don't like this person, so I'm gonna do it.

I know it's gonna bowl down to motives and intent, but there's an act for this, right? The whistleblower act? I feel like they're, yes. Yes, I think, I think it's a fall under it. You know what's really, I don't think Trump cares about it very much. But I think it's always criminal,

what's become criminal now is depending on who tells the story and who it benefits. You know what I mean? Because if it's a whistleblower for the betterment of the population, it's a criminal, but if it benefits the top 1%, then it's whistle blowing. And I think that that's what's become frustrating for the people, because the people are the ones that matter.

That's what this is supposed to be about, is that who is telling the story? You know, and I would say whistleblower. History is written by the winners. Absolutely. So. Yeah, I, sorry. I also think she, she leaked to the media, right? So I, she basically took like 100 photos of her computer

screen and sent them via messenger app, probably signal to a journalist. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a trend now where people are leaking to the media versus leaking to intelligence officers. And that's where she wouldn't be protected under that whistleblower act, because there's no language for that, as far as I know.

But then it's like you have to question why are people leaking to the media over leaking to intelligence officers? That means something, and how do we account for that in legislation? What do we do if people can't trust our own intelligence officers? Yeah, if I want to be protected by the whistleblower act,

I want to go to the FBI, but who would the FBI am I going to, and who's thumb are they under? Yeah, so it's kind of, I don't want to be protected by the whistleblower act, I want to go to the FBI, but who at the FBI am I going to and whose thumb are they under? So it's kind of, I don't want to get all conspiracy theory on you, but you know, I'm not going to go tell Pompeo What I found out about Trump. I just don't think it's going to go anywhere. All right. Who say? My next story is about journalist Jamal Khashoggi. So this is a tragic death. It's a Washington Post journalist whose sources say was tortured and dismembered over a period of seven minutes by Saudis, 15 Saudis at their consulate in Turkey.

Trump and Muhammad Bonsoh, that's what I'm calling him for now, on, have said that this didn't happen at first and then it, oh maybe it did happen and then they got under the story that it was a rogue person and now there was a fist fight and now it's turning to, there was a choke hold and that's how he died. So bone saws denying this, even though four of the 15 hitmen are known to have close ties with him. And this language about this being a rogue killing

is really interesting. Because, and then this reminds me of the Putin stuff, where Putin said, first of all, sorry, Trump said, same guy. Trump said, Putin denies it. He's denied it in every way. You can imagine whatever that means. And then after he denied it, he says it was proud to not He can deny it in every way, you can imagine, whatever that means. And then after he denied it, he says it was probably not Russia.

It could have been a rogue actor, a 400-pound guy in his bed. Well, we're now hearing the same exact rhetoric about Kashokgy. And the interesting thing is that the rogue Saudi that they are trying to blame this on is a general, his name is Akshmed Acyse. And Akshmed is also a guy with ties to the Trump campaign through Nader. He helped fix the 2016 election. So are they blaming this guy?

So they can get rid of him for his knowledge of the election interference. Are they killing two birds, one bone saw? And because even Minuchin backed out of the summit, right? So. That's why the Dow went plummeting like my grandpa's blood sugar that one time in Colorado. I mean, look, Minuchin, I'm actually all about Minuchin

not going to that investment thing. I think that we need to absolutely punish Saudi Arabia and the leadership for the disgusting bullshit they're trying to pull. I think that saying every single thing Trump does is bad as a waste of air. You can't pretend that this person does 100% bad things. But the one thing that royally pisses me off

about his rhetoric all the time is the fact that somewhere, he decides to just praise these people who do the shit that he wants to pull. Now, that's not me hitting at the fact that I think Trump would advocate directly for violence against anybody besides the fact that he's done that a couple times. But I do think that from a foreign policy standpoint, if we do not come down with the hammer to Saudi Arabia right now, we are looking weak and we are basically complicit in this

horse shit because as long as this continues to happen, we are going to watch these dictators thrive under Trump's rhetoric and the problem is trump's rhetoric is in my opinion as harmful as bad policy because on from a policy standpoint trump has been trump has some teeth with russia he armed the people of could of uh... uh...

uh... you know you the people of ukraine with deadly weaponry which uh... president obama did not do he uh... for them closing down their investigation to pull man of course of course which President Obama did not do. She got in exchange, by the way, for them closing down their investigation at the Poe Manifort. Of course, of course, but as long as bad people are being fought with weapons, I'm fine with that.

And this is all in rhetoric, and the fact that he's calling this a road killing when it was obviously 15 hitman, liquefying somebody's body. First of all, if you need 15 hitmen to do it, you're an awful dictator. Second of all, I'm sorry, that's awful, but come on. It's true.

There was an all-time Saturday, I expert. I was discussing. So I think this is a rhetoric issue, not a policy issue. I think Trump's issues can pretty much be brought into those two things. And that's what we need to be hitting right now, is Trump's rhetoric specifically. Yeah.

You know, I think we should be very alarmed. Very alarmed. My stuff bothers from Cuba and the beginnings, when we're not in the beginnings anymore, but when they start attacking the media and the justification of this murder that you see from the people who follow that guy, who are tired of saying the word Trump,

it's like the new word for constipation. But it's like the people who keep justifying, like, why did he keep talking? Why did he go there? Why was he agitating? Why was that we are normalizing the mistreatment of the media in a way that it's becoming dangerous because when they silence them, when they muzzle them, then we really are in trouble, right? And so this, it was a, they like the little kids from Lord of the Flies, you know what I mean? They kill Piggy, like that was how horrific that was. And we are sitting here having a

conversation trying to justify it and trying to figure out when we should just be outraged that this stuff is happening to somebody who belongs to us. Definitely. That reminds me of the Stanford Prison Experiment we talk about in the podcast sometimes about how people, when they get away with these repulsive things, they will not stop until you say stop. And you have to say it to the point where they'll listen. And people like Putin and Trump,

people say you gotta kind of smack them. I would ever that means metaphorically. You gotta get them to listen. And sometimes that means marching, sometimes it means storm in the buildings. And we're doing it. It's just got, we gotta bring it up even more now. Things are really heating up.

Yeah, it's absolutely disgusting what's happened. And I, some have said that how Trump reacts to this is going to be probably one of his most important decisions of his presidency. Yeah, just because we could lose, we stand to lose our, we're not that it has been declining, but our moral standing in globally could just be past the tipping point. But they say that every, they said that for the last ten things You know, it's like every this is gonna determine where more where his moral compass really is I definitely think I definitely think this is a crucial point in the setting of the pattern though of President Trump's rhetoric

Being being so silly when he's dealing with these awful people because again Even if from a policy standpoint, Trump is handling Saudi Arabia in a solid way, and that's something we've yet to see in this specific situation. The rhetoric is what the people see, and that's why everybody in this country loses their mind every five minutes. It's because forget the policy for a second. Trump's rhetoric is about as strong as my ability to bench press.

Absolutely. If Trump went out there and said this guy was obviously killed by a death squad run by an evil coup who's running this country, we would be able to say, you know what President Trump, I'm going to give you credit where credit is due, you're punishing someone evil. And President Trump has punished evil people through policy, but the rhetoric, my God, I want to start doing terrible things just so I can get positive tweets from him. The right is initiated a smear campaign against Koso Koso Kji to pave the way for this exact kind of terrible rhetoric, BS.

All right, next story, we learned, this is called Cohen. We learned a couple of weeks ago that Cohen was talking extensively with Mueller's team, even though he doesn't have a cooperation agreement in place. He's just running around like, I got info, I got info. And this week we found out he's also been talking to the state and federal law enforcement officials investigating aspects of the Trump organization and the Trump Foundation. The group Cohen met with included federal prosecutors from Southern District, New New York, and officials from the New York Attorney General's

office along with Cohen's attorney. Cohen has set to be sentenced December 12th. So my question for the panel is do you think he's cooperating super hard because he's super just to see an awesome or do you think he's just trying to get a reduction in his sentence? Definitely whatever the opposite of just to see is he that's going all the way. Yeah. He's just he's playing it smart now he should have done it long ago just like Maniford uh because Mueller he knows the endgame he's done this before so um yeah co-inches he's whizing up is what it is yeah I think he wants obviously you know prosecution to go as easy on him as possible I also think he's an attention-horror and absolutely loves doing all

the streetside J. Leno-esque interviews that you see him doing all the time. He absolutely loves that. I don't I just don't I don't think it's healthy to you know not long ago he was someone that was a complete Alli-Denne Trump was lying to everybody and now all of a sudden he's supposed to be an American hero. I'm not taking away the fact that his cooperation is essential. Console. Yeah, it's fucking essential. But it's essential to getting down to the bottom of what went down in the 2016 campaign, but I'm not about to sit there and start praising him for being such a great person. That's a beacon of justice.

No, absolutely not. I think that either or is a little difficult because I've got number three for you. And that's a lot of the people who have come out of the whole Trump story have had and this is a two-word thing that I've noticed a lot of anti-Trump former Trump people. It's called Book Deal. And I think what Cohen's trying to do right now is get that name for himself in this situation because Cohen, I'm not sure how much Cohen knows. I don't know if this is a reduced sentence thing. I truly don't. I'm hoping he knows plenty. I'm hoping they subpoena just about everybody with lungs in the situation and those who smoke and don't really have lungs anymore. But I think what Cohen's trying to do is what a lot of be it. Bob Woodward just did it. I mean, are we supposed to call Bob Woodward

a hero for calling bullshit on bullshit? Okay, that wall is a wall. I know what I'm sorry about that. I think Cohen's trying to get some sort of notoriety wall. I know what I'm sorry about that. I think Cohen's trying to get some sort of notoriety here. I think like she said maybe make a little money back to pay for your expenses. Yeah, you know what? In hip hop, there's an old school song and the hook of the song is the world, this full of pimps and holes. And what's that she claiming? And I just feel like in this administration, they're interchangeable. They go from being his host to them pimping the game. And unfortunately, it's the people who

perish, the uninformed people who are falling for these idols, like their worshiping these people. You know what I mean? And they just don't realize that it's hurting us. But I think he's pimping the game. And like she said, he was over there running, running a height man, second to Trump, running around with him. And now that his ass is in hot water, he was like,

so there's no, there's no even honor amongst them. Like they don't have any honor amongst them. And to add to that, we're about two weeks away from Trump calling The Democratic House Pimpson Hose. Yeah, so let's see how it goes It's great. I really like the hype man image like Trump. Yeah, we need to stop illegally immigrants all the all the all the Pimpson Hose trying to be United And I think that's what's so important about some of the work that you're doing, Aida, helping educate people in their localities about the importance of elections and the importance of voting no matter what side it is, just to make sure you educate yourself

and know what's going on and know your place and how it affects you because I think that you're doing some amazing work with that. Yeah, no, it's important. So it's specifically in black and brown communities where we really don't, we neglect local politics and that's what directly affects us the most We are compared we're complaining about the judicial system the legislation system I can't talk right now because I'm so hungry My blood sugar drop like his grandfather's I'm going to get it in a minute

But the the thing is we complain about the police. We complain about local government. But we have to make a difference. And the example that I told you was like with the Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman case, that DA got voted out. And people, if you want to be effective, then you have to think globally, but act locally. And it's important for black and brown people to do it and margin the last people. I like that one and it's important for black and brown people to do it and marzen on these people.

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So I'm gonna pass these out You do that one. Yes. Oh, thank you. You do that one our panelists do not know which is the real quote Which is the fate? So let's start down with Jalisa and please feel free to to act out, do an act out. We're all in prom. We're all actors here. Oh, yeah. We'll have a line on my passport to make myself 37. Yeah, yeah.

Because 37-year-old women still have a really hot chance here in the town. So please, here we go. Your first line. OK, and I've never actually attended a Trump impression. So getting ready to speak at a meeting, monitor your behavior, and work hard and love the Mexican people. Fantastic place, enjoy.

All right, okay. So long one so I'm gonna have to commit to the bit here. Look, having nuclear, my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer Dr. John Trump at MIT. Good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart. The Horton School of Finance, very smart, you know? If you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, okay, if I ran as a liberal, say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world. Okay.

It's a nice performance. Thank you. That's a very, very, very, very good one. Thank you. I've also- It feels gross. I've also. It feels gross. I've also never attempted the Trump before, so just give me the benefit of the doubt.

Now that China's own economy is in the just release in Iowa, up six points according to ad CNN, thank you so. Okay. Okay. I like the mint. Thank you. Ada, what do you got for us? I'm not even going to try. I can't. I can't even outdo. Ada, what do you got for us? I'm not even gonna try. I can't.

I can't even I'll do these three, but stop. I'll just do mine with my Latina accent. Yeah, yeah. Rodolfo Rosasmoia and his famous remarks about self deportation and 47%. He understands the economy. We raised $6 million in New Hampshire. Big crowd. Thanks. All right. So now you have to decide which one of these is something that Trump actually said. Do you think it was Juliasus?

Oh no. Do you think it was Jordan's? It was the longest. No, no, no. Do you think it was Cameron? You think it was Cameron's? Oh, congratulations, you did a great job. I am so sorry to tell you the real quote came from Jordan That was the real I've been here you have this anyway

Thank you Ladies and gentlemen now is the time when if we take questions from you about the podcast, about what we do, about what Aida does, about how Karen's doing, maybe something George's working on, anything you want to actually say, anything about the molar investigation or politics in general. We are now ready to field your questions. We have a microphone right over here. Yes, I do. Thank you very much for having me in my hand before.

And Jim, my question to the panel is, do you think that you very much. I've had a mic in my hand before and a gym. My question to the panel is, do you think that Mueller was lying about his health? Was that a mob move in order to get a metaphor? I'm sorry, thank you. Same thing, Mueller, metaphor. I got to talk to my mother, my sister, my mother, my sister. I'm really trying to do it. Do you think that he was doing a mob move to get out and not realize that there are, like, my good friend, Aida Rodriguez says that there's tons of black and brown people in jail who are being treated ten times worse than this man has been treated in there for unjust crimes and nonviolent crimes.

Do you guys feel that he was pulling a mob move of what I call? I would call it a Brady Bunch move. And here's the story here just so people know him. If it was a move, if he's not actually in firm, and I don't want to mock anyone who's in firm, my mother has gout her feet swell up because she eats meat and drinks bourbon every day for ever fucking scored. Awesome. Love you. I would call it a Brady Bunch move. I'm wearing a black belt, I'm wearing a black belt, I'm wearing a black belt, I'm wearing a black belt, I'm wearing a black belt, I'm wearing a black belt, I'm wearing a black belt,

I'm wearing a black belt, I'm wearing a black belt, I, but in any case, that's a really good point and it's a really good question. Everyone seemed to have an eyebrow raise when a man of four it rolled up. What do you guys think? Do you think he could actually have some health issues because of the nutrition? I do. What you were talking about, what we talked about earlier, is he's getting a taste of what it's like for the regular fucking man who's in prison, who doesn't get the nutrition they need and doesn't get the health care that they need. And that's very sad, but it's important to know when it happens to people of privilege, and they come forward and they get to complain about it.

It's just different. I mean, they're not having kale shakes in prison. Yeah, so I agree with you. And I think that, you know what, it what happens is that, when you are a criminal and you become subject to the court of law and you become subject to the court of law, you are subject to what they, those are the rules. Like if you, nobody gets to say, you know what, I really need some gluten free stuff in

prison because I have an intolerance. Somebody walked up to Manafort and said, you still believe in privatizing prisons, motherfucker? That's right. I like that. I'm looking at that. Yeah, I do like to give people with medical concerns, the benefit of the doubt, though. One Hillary Clinton on September 11th,

last year, the year before, had to be taken to her car. I'm not entirely sure of the situation. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. I've got family members who are very often are sick and need to have difficulty with physical activity. On the March for a life tour this summer, my fat ass could hardly get off the bus half the time. So if somebody is going to have a medical concern, I really like to offer them the benefit of the doubt. I also think manifold for

it's a hack, so I don't care. Yes, I understand he's in prison. I also like to give prisoners the medical benefit of the doubt. I think that people in the prison system at the United States are already mistreated enough, and while Maniford is getting his just desserts in a way, I think that people need to be treated with a bit of respect, whether or not they are the people propagating that shit anyway. I agree with you, but it's not the can got to be just because it has to be everyone. Sure, no, I wholeheartedly agree. People in prison are treated like crap.

You have a grandma marijuana, you're treated like a violent criminal. It's awful. Not here, though. Woo! The reason I'm so sorry. I'm just going to add to that. The reason I think it's real is because he's not used to this. I think someone like him in his position of privilege,

he's so used to everything being easy. His health is taking care of. His food is top notch. So I think his body is actually reacting very quickly to- His body is rejecting prison? Yeah, he's not. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but he may have physiological reactions.

He's allergic to prison. Yeah, exactly. I'll urge you to accountability. I think- It's my new, exactly. A allergic to accountability. I think. It's not your podcast name. I'm stealing that. You should. Yeah, no, well, he wouldn't have.

I don't think if he was able to wear a tux or a suit, I should say. He would show. Yeah. It's not being a ball. I don't think it's going to be a big deal. I don't think the court. I find a hard time believing if he was wearing a suit,

he would come in doing the whole same theatrics. I don't know if that's fair to call it theatrics like you know, I don't I believe him that he's having adverse effects But I do think he's gonna spend a lengthy amount of his sentence trying to get out of his actual prison time And it's gonna try to get appeal for house arrest as much as he can be I hate sincing isn't until February so I was asking sit in jail until then right next question There was an article recently about the people are speculating whether or not the Mueller investigation is really going to have this cumulative ending of, well, I hope in

impeachment, but they're they're suspecting that it's just going to end and possibly be sealed at the end. Even though I'm a loyal weekly listener and love it to death, I'm petrified that this might be the case. But if you could predict an ending to it, do you guys have an end date in your mind that you think is realistic at this point? I have a prediction. And this is obviously all speculation based on everything that I've seen and read. First of all, going all the way back to Mueller's dissertation days, his master's thesis, where to him the whole of justice is what's important. It's not the individual, individuals who are involved.

And I believe that he airs on the side of this country, and it's the American people. And so I think that he will find a way to make sure whether it's through a speaking indictment, or whether it's through report to Congress, that the public will get, if not all, at least some of the information about what's gone down. I think November is the time frame we're looking at for conspire crimes of collusion. And I call them crimes of collusion because that's how Rosenstein referred to them in his

Department of Justice memo outlining the scope of Mueller's investigation. They are crimes of collusion. I can give you the U.S. code if you want, but you guys believe me. So I think it's the November timeframe for crimes of collusion and obstruction. And whether that's a report on obstruction, I don't think he's going to indict Trump. I think that he believes that it is the, that it's not the job of the American people, but the privilege of the American people to decide what happens to him, what happens to Trump. And so he's going to leave that up to either impeachment, or we

vote his ass out in 2020. I tell how I think it's going to go, and I think we're going to learn a lot in November, but then come February 8th when we get the rest of it with Manafort sentencing. There could be speaking indictments released. I think he probably already has some sealed indictments on the docket that haven't dropped yet, that are set to trigger if either Rose and Steiner sessions are fired. Okay, I think we need you guys want to see.

I think we need to get a bit more optimistic about this. I want this to end with Mueller and Trump being friends. Oh, wait. Or maybe a deep passionate kiss, you know what I mean? Hold on, we got a microphone back here. Further to what the young lady's question was, if Mueller's report is sealed from the American people, will openly committing white collar crimes in election rigging become the new normal Like we're seeing with Brian camp. He's out there just disqualifying people on the news and

There's no shame and is this going to be the new way that American society functions where you can commit a crime If you do it in front of everyone as opposed to hiding it and then getting busted later. It seems like Trump has set that new standard for what's acceptable behavior in that you can commit crimes if you're just honest about it. Well, sadly, I think that has been the normal for a while. And much like folks at Privilege like myself weren't aware of the absolute devastating brutality against people of color by the cops, for example, until cell phones came out.

It's always been there. But beat meaning it's always been there. It's always been a problem. This has always been a problem. White collar crimes have been a problem since 9-11 because they took all the resources away to still look at white collar crime. And now we finally have one person, Bob Mueller,

with a team whose sole job is to look into the look into the white-collar crimes of the administration And when Trump says we need a president for life. Fuck that. We need a special counsel for life. Muller for life, baby. And we are recording from our hotel headquarters at Politicon. This weekend, and joining us today is the co-host of the You're Making It Worse Podcast. He used to work in politics for the likes of Clinton and Anthony Wiener And he's now on staff at Newsweek. Please welcome H. Allen Scott, H. Allen, welcome to Mueller She wrote. Hi, I'm so glad to be here. I am so glad you're here. This is an interview I've been excited about this all weekend, so I'm super thrilled to have you. And when we first got in touch,

I have to say the thing that jumped out at me from your bio immediately is that you worked for Anthony Weiner. And some of us, and some of our listeners lay the blame on the election swing for Trump directly on Anthony Weiner's laptop, the Weiner laptop. And Comey, you know, reopened the Clinton email investigation just 11 days out before the election based on some emails that hadn't been reviewed from that laptop. And we sort of have a love-hate relationship with Comey at Muller She Wrote. So we were all waiting for the IG report to come out from Horowitz on the FBI New York Field Office. So I was wondering if you could maybe lend your insight or shed a little light on what you think went down with the reopening of that investigation and what kind of an effect it might have had on the election.

Well, I think the blame more lays on James Comey than Anthony Weiner. I mean, Anthony Weiner, it's hard for me to speak ill of Anthony Weiner because I do as a person, think he's a very good man. He was always very good to me just to clear up. I worked for him during his first mayoral race in 2005 when he, before he sent the dick pit. You look like you're 26.

I know, I'm so not. But. I like how you're like, I know, but I'm not. Thank you, the juvederm. No, it's over in 2005, but I think a lot of that blame lays with James Coney because weener has an addiction. He had a problem. This wasn't a surprise, the emails they were there.

We already knew that they existed. And anyone with common sense would know that the emails that they had to look into common sense would know that the emails that they had to look into was just like any email. They download to the computer you sync your email address with. I mean, of course, that's going to be a copy there. And that's when that happened, I remember sitting there watching the news that day being like, oh, he logged into his eye account, eye cloud account on, you know, Huma's computer.

That's what happened here. It's the same email. Of course, it's gonna be the same email. And that's exactly what they found what seven days later, five days later. It's really the mismanagement of James Comey specifically, but also too, I think it was an agenda from the New York sort of FBI field office

and the hatred that they had for Hillary Clinton. I mean, I don't know where it came from. I don't know where it even started because I mean, clearly these people, both current FBI agents and past retired FBI agents who done some work, just sort of, you know, pro bono for the FBI and some assisting other agents had this bias against Clinton. And it's like they were incahuts with Giuliani for some strange reason back to when he was a district attorney I think or who knows how far it went back. But it really all lies with I think Trump's campaign influencing knowing that they have these connections with this with the FBI agents and knowing that they were involved in

because they're the New York field office closest to where the email and the computer lived. It's the whole thing really upsets. The whole thing really upsets me. Now, if you think so and some may argue and this is kind of where I stand but I honestly don't know yet until the investigation comes out into the New York field office, which is being conducted right now. We've been waiting for it for a while since the first horror of what's IG report came

out on the Clinton email investigation, is that Komi felt pressure from leaks. It had already started to leak a little bit out with Giuliani on Fox News a couple of days before Komi wrote that letter to Congress to reopen the investigation. Do you think there was any pressure on Komi to reopen that investigation? Or do you think he did it? And then also a lot of people are wondering why he didn't tell everyone that Trump was also under investigation.

Yeah. I mean, the whole not telling why Trump was also under investigation kind of is a reason to hate James Komi. But in the specific situation of the Clinton investigation, like he said in his book, he was damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Like there was no good scenario that he could have gone forward. And the same with Obama, and that instance, like, you know, with the Russia meddling and everything,

like, there was no good direction. Oh, right, because he could either say, they're colluding with Russia and then interfere and influence the election, or he could not say anything and be held to account for not saying it. Exactly. It's gonna be spun and taken in so many different directions and Komi was in the exact same situation in this specific instance.

Should have said something about the Trump investigation. Also, too, what I find so funny here. I wish we weren't victim blaming. I wish we would lay the blame on Trump for colluding. Yeah. Exactly. Instead of being like, well, you know, maybe the lap tap shouldn't have been wearing such a short skirt. And perhaps Komi shouldn't have been asking for it. Uh, well, let's, let's also talk about how the, who was the FBI worked on Mueller's team that was like a clear anti-Trump person. What was his name? He testified before Congress?

Cabe? Yes, McCabe. Like the Trump administration Republicans go hard on McCabe and his anti-Trump bias, but you have these FBI agents who had a clear Clinton bias during the election, who are working on an investigation that involved someone that they had a clear bias against. Yeah, but that's okay. But that's okay. That's totally okay. I mean, it's-

But you know the long history of the FBI being super liberal. Super inclusive. It is. They all do drugs. Yes. They all have chakras that they're speaking to at the end of the day. Very critically correct. Yeah, they're hard to watch.

And wearing heels if you're a victim. Yes. Which I fully support him doing that, and I probably would have wore heels with him. As Eddie has said, a fucking weirdo transvestite. Yes. Well, I'm more executive transvestite. We need more executive transvestites, I think. We can, we can, we can.

Don't you think so? I agree. I would love for the president's staff secretary to be like a transvestite. Executive transvestites, I think. Don't you think so? I agree. I would love for the president's status secretary to be like a transvestite. Executive transvestite. I'm probably gonna offend some people by saying that. That's okay. You know what?

After there's everyone at some point is a fendable, we get emails. Come over to my place. We'll wear heels. There we go. Boom, done. No, so the original question. There is a lot of blame to lay on Komi.

But there's also like, whenever, I deal with this a lot because a lot of my friends, and we talk about this in the podcast, on my podcast you're making it worse a lot. How Elliot, one of my co-hosts, is so impassioned by all these things. He's so appalled and shocked by all these things. And it's just like, this is insane.

This is insane. We've never seen this before. This is insane. And the political science sort of nerd in my head likes to very calmly, rationally say, well, we have seen like our country has been at risk before. Like these things, there are horrible things that people had to suffer in this country, like slavery.

And it was a very dark time in our country for a lot of people. And we don't want to use that passion to sort of distract from the actual facts of what's happening. And you're looking at Komi, Komi made some bad decisions and sort of said something about the Trump administration, or about Trump and the investigation into Trump during the election.

That said, there's so much that is just, you know, we're looking back at history and seeing sort of what direction and what he should have done and what he could have done. And he did what he did. done and what he could have done. He did what he did, and in any situation, I don't know if I necessarily would have done anything different than him because you're just making these decisions as they go. And frankly, even though this is, we should hold him accountable for this.

Societally, we live in a patriarchal society where a woman is seen as a powerful woman is seen as a danger as someone who's coming after the status quo and Hillary Clinton played that role. And I can't help but think that James Colmy being a part of the patriarchy just societally fed into that and realized that he had to speak about this because of the way society treats women, specifically Hillary Clinton. Yeah, and I loved his book, but it oozes with male privilege. It just, you know, when he goes and talks about how, you know, well, do you know how fucking awesome I am? I take all my FBI recruits to the Martin Luther King monument,

and I make them think about history. And I'm like, you know, that's cool, but like in the same breath, you know, you be like, you say like, why didn't I talk about Trump? I don't want to, I don't want to give up sources of methods on an ongoing and open investigation. But we have to reopen the Hillary Clinton email investigation immediately. I had nothing to do with, and it wasn't even an investigation. No, they literally just reviewing a computer's hard drive.

Yeah, and one computer. And honestly, what was interesting about it is the reason he knew about it early in September, at least McCabe did, and I think Komi did, and they were gonna try to sit on it until the election went through, mainly because they thought they didn't have the technology to sort emails and delete duplicates, so they thought it was gonna take weeks

to review all the emails on the laptop. Well, they found somebody, some genius said, I can just do a pivot table, bro. And eliminate a whole shitload of emails. And when he found out, as the election was approaching, they're getting ready to leak this from the Giuliani side. And it's only gonna take me five or six days to go through these emails now

where I thought it was gonna take weeks. We can get it done before the election. I have to come out and do this. And you're right, he had no good choice. He had no good choice. It's still fucking sucks. Well, I also think that he, I do think the Giuliani side, I think from the beginning, Komi probably knew that there was nothing to this,

that this literally was just a duplicate email address on a computer that the emails were downloaded to. He's not a dummy. Anyone, I mean, if I figured that out, sitting in my shitty apartment in Los Angeles looking at the news Without having seen anything you think homie's probably has someone who's probably figured that out too my age Not 26 it's not like Martha Stewart who Famed ignorance of what insider trading was yeah, but then tried to cover it up by having her

You know, assistant do they like you can't obstruct justice and cover something up that you didn't think was a crime to begin with Totally so it's exactly that situation really Hillary Clinton thinking that somebody and do they like you can't obstruct justice and cover something up that you didn't think was a crime to begin with totally so It's exactly that situation really Hillary Clinton thinking that somebody stealing or hacking into her servers met They physically had to come to her house and remove them. She's not a dummy. Yeah, she knows a thing or two I can I can vouch that she is a very smart person on camera and off camera But that said, Komi's not an idiot. And I do think that he probably just assumed that these were duplicates and had nothing. But because of what was happening with the influence of Giuliani on the New York field office and the FBI agents, they had this

bias against Clinton. They were because they knew this information. They knew that they had this in their arsenal. Trump campaign probably pressured them to push this forward and push this to try to distract the election in some way. Or who knows what outside forces were doing. Well, there was Giuliani on Fox saying we're going to have an October surprise. Yeah. And in two days, it's going to be an October surprise. Because that one October surprise wasn't enough. Right. The grabber by the pussy wasn't enough of an October surprise. Well, when you have WikiLeaks, you release a bunch of Podesta emails the same day within hours. You know, you can kind of mute that. It's like an October, 2016 was the month of surprise.

It was really such a stressful month. Yeah, and yeah, it's just hard to know. And again, we should lay the blame squarely on the conspirator, which is Putin and Trump. But also to imagine like, because I mean, Anthony Weiner, I can say this for fact, that Anthony Weiner is a proud Democrat, proud liberal, a very, very, very liberal public servant.

And if you take away his addiction and his problems that he had in the arrogance, because he did have a lot of arrogance, he fundamentally was a very, very good public servant who did a lot of good for this community. And to imagine that, like like he's sitting there, I guess he was in rehab at that point, maybe he's in prison at that point. I don't know. Sitting there realizing that what he did

is the reason why Hillary Clinton is gonna lose. Imagine carrying that weight. I mean, that like, even though he's a bit of a scumbag, I still feel for that, because that just sucks. And in some way, he was even used to use against, as an arsenal against sort of Hillary Clinton. I feel like Goodwill Hunting, like, it's not your fault. No, no, no, it's not your fault.

No, no, no, seriously, like, like, Anthony Weiner was kind of used in a way. Yeah. And so was Huma. Huma was used as well. Yeah, Huma Abedin. That's... Yeah, it's sad all around.

Oh, I feel, I feel. But I do hate James Comey. Not so much because of what he did, just because of the type of white dude he is. He's very arrogant. Yes, he's an arrogant. He's the kind of white dude that, like, you know it's Yes, he's an arrogant. He's the kind of white dude that like, you know it's Starbucks, he would get really- He acknowledges that though.

Yeah, he does. He does, but he'd get really, really, really angry if like the order doesn't come within like, like if his order didn't get delivered immediately after the person who ordered before him, he's furious. I do that. You know, that's justice. I mean, is it though? Fair is fair, man.

I'm in line. Sorry. I mean, line and I ordered after her. Where's my drink? Justice has not been said. She has a drink. I want my drink. I'm James Comey. The arc of the universe is long, but it bent toward my coffee. I need my coffee. What kind of coffee do you think James Comey orders at Starbucks? Oh, God. He probably orders a half-calf Americano, but he spec it and he's to be two shots and not Mm-hmm just the three with maybe some caramel. Yeah. Oh, yeah, or maybe a dashes cinnamon because he's basic The desk I saw Gina Davis at Starbucks one wearing juicy

Switch pants and hug boots. Yeah, okay. All right. I supported it. I I did a women and media conference with her. She's she's rad. She's rad. She's a giant. She should be president. She's gigantic. She's so I'm just massive. But she is. She's a Gourney Weaver. I don't know what kind of magic and trickery they do in the movies to make her male leads look as tall as she does, but it's it works. Genuinely incredible. Those special effects really. Can you imagine if we just had like powerful female actresses around the government? I'd be down.

Like Angela Bassett as like attorney general. Vivica Fox. I wouldn't pass on that. Okay. Yeah. All right. Gina Davis. I'm down.

Gina Davis, I will take this president. All right, so I wanted to ask you, we you know, we're a an all women Ron podcast and we're LGBTQ plus allies and members and I wanted to know I know what it's like to be a woman in podcasting but I and but and one of my co-hosts Is gay, but I don't know what it's like to be gay in media Especially gay in politics and I was hoping maybe you could talk about some of the experiences that you've had But positive negative anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I've definitely had the whole, like, you only care about a certain set of issues,

and they think that, like, because you are gay, you know, gay rights, of course, is going to be top of your list, which it is, but they don't seem to realize that, like, being gay is an every aspect of a social economic system. So, yeah. About other things? Yeah, shocking. Like, you know, for example, marriage equality was denied from same-sex couples forever until 2013. And during the height of the HIV-AIDS epidemic, you had couples who were being not legally wed

who had worked. I mean, they were in their 50s and 60s sometimes. They had worked their entire lives. They had paid into the system with Social Security. And with their 401Ks and 60s sometimes, they had worked their entire lives, they had paid into the system with social security and with their 401ks and everything. And that money didn't go to their surviving partner. And so that partner now is having to go, a baby boomer is having to go work until they're 70s, 80 years old, they're going to need to nide, you know, senior assistants at housing, they're going to discriminate it against in housing.

They're, a healthcare, they're getting denied healthcare because of, before Obamacare because of preexisting conditions, just because of they weren't able to sustain a job because they were taking care of their partner when their partner was dying of HIV or AIDS. And I mean, there are so many levels of where gay life sort of feeds into our social conversation during an election period.

And I think a lot of straight people who are allies, who are legitimately allies, they talk about love as love, they talk about it gets better, and they talk about like being inclusive, which is all wonderful things, but it's also like invited to the table for the healthcare conversation, because there are like serious issues in healthcare

that gay people specifically have to address. Like a lot of straight people don't know about the HIV pill prep that basically blocks HIV infection, 99% effective a block in the HIV infection from entering a person who is HIV negative. And that is a vital health need that could minimize HIV AIDS in this country to crazy low numbers. And yet straight people don't even know about it. could minimize HIV AIDS in this country to crazy low numbers.

And yet, straight people don't even know about it. They're like completely oblivious to it because they don't associate gay with healthcare. Yeah, and when I joined the Navy, they, I was one of the first women in the nuclear program, they failed to staff at GYN because they forgot I have a vagina. And what that reminds me of now more currently

and kind of what you're speaking to, is when transgender people were allowed to serve openly in the military, all of a sudden defense health agency turns around and says, um, how the fuck do we provide health care to this group of people? And VA was like, we've been doing that for 40 years. Yeah.

Do you want to borrow our plan? And they're like, oh yes, thank you. It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. The level of. How's it going to matter, though? At least you're sticking up for that. Yes. And because I remember specifically when the tweet came down. He's a Democrat, remember? Oh, yeah. He's totally liberal. Socially liberal mob thug. But when that tweet came down, no more transgender people in the military. Mattis is like, don't listen to him. We have done six studies.

We're doing four more white papers. Everybody's cool with it. And we are already millions of dollars into developing this health program. Yeah. Just, you know, it doesn't, and the thing is, like it's such a minimal amount of money compared to the national defense budget

in terms of what is used on trans healthcare. Yeah, eight million. Yeah, it's nothing. And we spend, it's a wheel in Iraq. Yeah, and we spend 10 times that on Viagra, which by the way, I 100% support. Yeah. I used Viagra once for fun in San Francisco. It was a great day.

And we have a lot of active do service members and veterans who have PTS and ED and Female sexual rouse of the sort so it's like, you know what? Get it. I'm happy and proud to spend my tax a pair dollar on that to make you whole after serving your country No matter what it is. Yeah, and you're right The amount of money is minimal. He's trying to blame it on money. Eight million versus a $900 billion budget. It's, we're cool, dude. Yeah.

The, you know, the track air contract alone is a $70 billion venture. So it's not that. I mean, the thing that blows me away is that people, like I was saying earlier about one of my co-hosts, who gets very passionate about those issues and it's easy to place, you know, all of the blame on the president and to focus all of the energy on taking down this president, which is true.

But what's even more important is that like these measures, Congress can stop. Congress can get, prevent them from going forward if we elect a Congress that supports the values in which you're so passionate about. Yeah, and we've seen it with the Russian sanctions, where this Congress passed them, not just obeyed the idea right now. Saudi Arabia with the Koshyji, they were like, no, we're going to trigger the Magnets Gack, and we're going to make sanctions if you don't step up and do some shit. Congress is powerful.

Congress has the power they haven't used it these past few years because we've ever since, I guess, FDR, no, really Woodrow Wilson, we've been pushing a lot of sort of power within the executive branch, but Congress does have power, and they can assert their power in ways that they haven't been doing for the past 40 years, because they just, everything's about the president. And it really hasn't always been that way in this country.

Yeah, we need to balance the power again. We need to take some executive power away. I think even Obama, like you said, on the back door, we had too much executive power. We checked it a little more. We checked it a little bit after Nixon. Yeah, yes. But just because I like Obama's executive orders,

DACA, et cetera, doesn't mean that it's good that the president has that much power and we're feeling the ramifications of that now when somebody who you don't agree with is in power. He's got all pretty dangerous right now. And he's chipping away at the fourth, which is us. Yeah. And we really really that's why it's super important to vote. This election we got just at least put a check on the president. We and we have a history of doing that as Americans. Let's just let's check the president. But also like understanding that.

I mean, like you were saying earlier that, you know, you're a cisgender white woman. And I think a lot of times, you know, I'm from St. Louis, Missouri originally, and during Ferguson, I remember thinking like, you know, I grew up five miles from there. Like I could, I have full right to speak about what's going on in Ferguson on Facebook or post about it But then I thought like this isn't my narrative. This isn't my story. I didn't live that life I am a white. Yes, I'm gay. I'm a part of the minority, you know a persecuted minority in the society But at the same time I'm a white man and I I don't really pass because I wear clothes like like baby onesies like I'm wearing right now

You know what I mean? Like I don't really pass as a straight man, but I do pass as some privilege. And people aren't, they don't see me as a threat. And so I thought during that moment, this isn't my narrative to share. I need to amplify the voices of others. And I think in terms of gay rights and gay politics in this country,

like gay politics, you know, there are so many LGBT candidates running during the midterm elections. And yet, and I think it's good that they aren't there are so many LGBT candidates running during the midterm elections. And yet, and I think it's good that they aren't necessarily seen as only LGBT candidates. I think that's an awesome, awesome thing, like the woman running for the Democratic, not Democratic side in Arizona. I forget her name now, but...

Chris, in cinema? Yes. She's bisexual and openly bisexual. And yet, that's sort of such a non-thing within our narrative right now, which I think is awesome, but at the same time, I think it's really important for people to know because it's something that...

Yeah, I didn't even know that. Yeah, it's something that like identifies. It's nice that it's not news. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I didn't even know that. Like the governor of Oregon is openly by. And there are so many different, the woman running in Vermont

along the, I think, independent or democratic side is a trans woman. And I mean, there are so many different, the woman running in Vermont, I think independent or democratic side is a trans woman. And I mean, there are so many people who, it's such a not-hard of their narrative, but it's an important thing to know. And I think if straight, cis, white people out there see the examples of gay people in their lives and actually take the time to understand not just marching in the time to understand not just marching

in the pride parade and not just understanding that that's the moment you should really be caring about your gay friends. But actually ask like, are you at, does it ever uncomfortable for you to talk about issues that you have with your doctor? Or what is it like for you in this situation that is somehow normal to you as a cis-white person, you know, or a cis white straight person. Right. You're not just political tokens for everyone on the gay rights issues.

Like we were for the Democratic Party for the better part of 20 years, you know, it was a thing, and I always say this a lot, but like it was a thing that Democrats, for years and years and years would say, we support gay people, we support gay rights, but we don't support you loving each other and having legal rights. Like we don't support that. And we just had to wink and nod and vote for these people, knowing that they kind of had our interest and they didn't necessarily believe that. Well, at that point, it was the best option.

Exactly. You know, even Obama, it was like, I'm not. And we're over now. Civil unions, which is libel and you know but you're like it's either that or yeah the alternative which is I don't even recognize the fact that AIDS and HIV exists in the first place. So you're like all right well what do we do but now I think we hold our kind of the best and it's accountable and we say no you have to support this you have to be vocal about this. And I think the 20 slot of candidates

will have to be extremely vocal on their support for, not just gay people, but the Me Too movement, for there's so many layers that they have to really push. I don't know, it's such an interesting time to be a minority, because we are, because of Obama, I think, he's strengthened that, he showed that a minority vote, minority, majority vote could actually win a presidency.

And now I think minorities in this country realize that we have true political power. Did you say a majority? Vigurity. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, he said that. He's a lovely, lovely. But you know what I mean?

He knew that a coalition of women, non-white people, and other minorities with some white men, with some white people included, and that could win a presidency. It didn't work in 2016, I think, because of the patriarchy, and because of Clinton and because of Russia. But I do think it can work in 2020. I think so too. I think we're very close to it. All right, well, you know, what I really appreciate that. I hadn't even thought a bit from that point of view, you know, bringing everyone as an ally to the table to not talk just about gay rights, but to talk about healthcare and everything else everyone's talking about.

Yeah. So number one issue in the 2008 midterm elections is health care. 100% and it impacts every single person, black, white, gay, straight, man, woman, everybody. We all need healthcare. And we're all, let's face it, whether you're a Republican or Democrat, the peasant class, it's us against them. So we all need to figure out our healthcare and we all need to figure out this way. I had cancer in 2000. I remember 2012 election, I was going through chemo, and it was the first time in my life. I'm 36'm 36 and at the time I was 30 and it's the first time in my life that I ever

Realized that my vote and how the election turned out would Directly impact my life and not just in a tangential sort of way, but in a direct sort of like if Mitt Romney had won in 2012 I would not have Obamacare and I I'm already, I'm still to this day, 80,000 in debt because of my chemo. And on top of that, I would have had to stay paying the thousand dollars in Cobra month if Romney had won because I wouldn't be able to get insured anywhere else.

And Obamacating elected, made sure Obamacare happened, and now I'm paying 170 something a month. And it's just, it saved my life, and it's such an important issue. It's such an important. We're actually impact us all. Like you said, it's not just this ethereal thing

that we kind of want or need or hope for. It's something that impacts us all, especially in our pocket boats. All right, well, can you tell us where we can find your podcast? Yeah, you can go to, I mean, it's on Starburn Audio, Dan Harmon's network. It's called you're making it worse.

And it's a sort of LGBT comedy podcast where we can basically complain about other gay people. And I'm H.O.L.N. Scott on everything. All right, great. Well, co-host of You're Making It Worse with Brent Sullivan and Elliot Glazer, H.O.L.N. Scott. Thank you so much for coming on to Muller Sheerot. We really appreciate it.

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To get two months of unlimited access of over 20,000 classes for just 99 cents. All right, welcome back. My question, I wanted to ask you was, um, Kavanaugh. So the, the, well, a lot of the a lot of the stuff that I read was that people, that he really wanted Kavanaugh in office to become the next justice, because he would excuse the president from answering

to a subpoena. Right. So, well, fortunately, I personally think there's nine people on the Supreme Court, and I don't think there's going to be enough to vote the way Kavanaugh votes. And I also wouldn't worry too much about Gamble, the US, if you know what that is, what I'm talking about.

I think we're going to be OK on justice. Like the arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice. Unfortunately, it just doesn't happen very fast. Sir, you were next. Last question. Yes, this is our last question. I'm sorry.

We've got to make this good. Yeah, no pressure. Well, you made the statement that we need to vote them out, a person who you don't like as your leader or your serving as a public office. Well, my problem is this. He calls the 2016 election by 3 million votes You know, that's not even close

And can you think of any other country that allows a Canada to win to lose a election by 3 million vote? Ukraine. Yeah, I was gonna say Russia might be one of them Well, you're right We have to and there's one way to fix it We have to vote in the D's because as long as the arser are in there, we aren't going to be able to fix that gerrymandering problem. We are going to be able to fix our electoral college system. I think you met a democracy that allowed that to happen. One version, one vote would be great. So we, I don't want you to feel like

we're being snarky towards you. Right. Right. Because that's why we're here. And joining us today is Brent Sullivan. He's one of the hosts of You Are Making It Worse, the podcast we had H. Allen on just recently. And so funny, what a funny guy, but he really is so smart. And I'm really excited to talk to you today because I wanted to ask you about social media. Sure. This week, Twitter came out with a story.

They released some numbers, some data this week, the saying that they're suspending almost 4,000 accounts. And they, and that there were almost 10 million tweets that came out of these 4,000 accounts from Russian troll farms and bots. And it's all like anti-hillary. There's a lot of pro-Bernie stuff that came out from them. Anti, well, I should say all lives matter, anti-black lives

matter, information. And then there were a lot of stuff that came out pro-Brett Kavanaugh and then also against the Colin Kaepernick, you know, the NFL players kneeling for the national anthem. But what we wanted to kind of talk about today was sort of Not how Russians treat us on social media because they're very nice to us. They're trying to manipulate us But how we are kind of dicks to each other on social media and and it doesn't actually like we're at politics on this weekend And I have to tell you kind of what we were talking about before that when I actually meet

you kind of what we were talking about before, that when I actually meet conservatives or Trump supporters, which are two different things, let's be honest, they're not, they don't want to punch me in the face. You know, I've done a lot of canvassing this year for a lot of house candidates because there's a bunch of swing races within an hour of Los Angeles. And the first thing, because when I started canvassing, I've done it before, but not as hardcore as this midterm.

And when I started, I was like, I'm gonna knock on doors, people are gonna tell me to fuck off. They're going, I literally, every time I knock on a door, I'm waiting for the shotgun blast to come through the door that I, for some reason, would see before it hit me. And it's ridiculous.

And then I actually get out there. I start meeting a lot of Republicans, because in these house races, you're knocking on Republican doors. And I'm instantly reminded that people, Republicans don't want gay people and black people dead in the streets. They don't want the disintegration of our society. And it's just, it's been an interesting reminder that I think the prison by which we view

the world through social media is so skewed. So, then don't you have to ask, I mean, if they don't want gay people dead and to shoot black people in the streets, then why are they president kind of talks that way? I mean, I know that Trump's never come out and said, I hope gay people die in the streets. I want to kill all black people. I mean, he said, look at my African American, isn't he wonderful? You know, and he kind of talks that way. And he sort of does these dog whistles to like super right like Nazis basically like

Charlottesville etc. But like he did so how do you kind of square that don't get me wrong I offer absolutely no defense of voting for someone who is as monstrous as I think Donald Trump is I think he has absolutely no integrity I think we all know he is zero moral compass. And so he'll say whatever it takes to get through that day or whatever he's feeling that moment. But I just think that there are lots of people who aren't, they aren't factoring what Trump said on July 3rd, you know, 2017.

They're kind of like, eh, he talks like a jerk, but look at the economy and look at my job and look at where we're at. One of the most consistent things I've heard from the Republicans I've spoken to that are in favor of the president or do support the Republican agenda is I don't like Trump, but I like what he's getting done.

Because at the end of the day, I do think we have to acknowledge that they're largely getting what they want. So you like judges that will probably overturn Roe v Wade and probably block marriage equality. It's appalling to us, but that's what they've wanted for. That's what they've wanted. I mean, they've wanted a block Roe v Wade. Do they want that because they really want it or do they want it because their parents wanted it? Like, I don't get why anyone would want. Maybe it's just like me at the core of me.

Like, why would you want to stop gay people from getting married or denying state department, gay people's spouses access to federal benefits? Why do you care? uh... gay people's spouses access to but you know federal benefits why do you care and then also why do you want to regulate women's health care so hard like what what they have such

there is such contempt i think that the whenever you talk about i i still love what i still like the cleveland brown sure because i'm from cleveland maybe that's that kind of thing do you remember tadek and when he ran for Senate six years ago And he was the candidate who made a comment. He was running against Claire McCaskill in Missouri. This is I believe this was play Aiken Todd Aiken Todd a so not the American Idol not the American Idol though. He's also run for yeah, that's what I was thinking Todd Aiken. Did I say Clay originally? He said Todd and I was trying to put him in my head and I can only see Clay.

Yeah. But he gave this famous interview in which he talked about how when women are, if it is a quote, a legitimate rape. Oh, the legitimate rape guy. Yeah. But it's this clip that I'm obsessed with because he says in the clip, he's like,

you know, if it really is a legitimate rape, women's bodies have ways to just kind of shut that whole thing down. And he's of course talking about reproduction. And but if you watch his face, there's such, there is, there's such disgust. He's so repulsed by female reproduction. And.

Or remember the guy who thought that we, that urine came out of your vagina? Which was me until like eight years ago. It was cool, it was me until I was 14 anyway. No, but you know, they're like, well, you know, you just go up, you know, with the bladder hole. And you could take care of that.

And you're like, what? Jesus. That is not, and see, that's, it's frustrating because that, but here's, I guess here's the other thing that I'll say. I do think, even though I normally resent this notion that both parties suck, you know, but both sides are to blame.

I've always hated that for over, ever since the Bush era. Moral equivalency suck. Yeah, it's absolute bullshit. But I do think there's a fair point to make that if let's say Joe Biden is running for president and let's say a month before the election

uh a woman comes out and says when I was in college Joe Biden grabbed my boobs I do believe that liberals would say that's a problem, but we can ignore it right now. Yeah, I don't, I disagree. I think we would drop them like a hot potato. We did it without Franken. You think that a month before the election, if a woman came out and said that, you think we would, I just, I wouldn't vote for him. You know, I, like, I would still stand in clap for Bill Clinton, but Bill Clinton has a rape accusation. Yeah, I would not. Yeah. And I wouldn't vote for him. You know, I, like, I would still stand in clap for Bill Clinton, but Bill Clinton has a rape accusation. Yeah, I would not.

Yeah. And I wouldn't, and that whole, you know, we talk about Kavanaugh online and social media and we usually get pushed back. Well, what about Bill Clinton? What about your Billy Boy and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I wouldn't put him on the Supreme Court either. I wouldn't vote for him for president now.

I would back then because, and you have to also remember people, people do this in a, you know, assuming that we have some 100% purity test for our candidates. When we don't, we have two choices. And one of them sucks and one of them sucks less. That's what, you know, that's kind of what we're going by. I mean, Obama was this fantastic, you know, that's kind of what we're going by. I mean, Obama was this fantastic, you know, shining light on a hill, but Clinton had issues

and Obama had issues and Hillary has issues and they all have issues. I mean, it's not pizza kitchen child sex trafficking ring issues, but it's, you know, it's establishment to taking money from, you know, special interest groups problems. I totally hear you. I just think to me, I'm not as consistent as you. And I'm not as principled as you. I would vote for a bad person.

Well, that's just it. If Joe Biden had touched somebody's boobs and it's between him and Trump, yeah, I got to pick Biden. Right. He's boobs and it's between him and Trump. Yeah, I got to pick Biden. Right, and I think that's the, that's the, that's just what the comparison I'm trying to draw, which is like, that's what they do. That they're, they, Trump is a jerk. And most, I do believe most Republicans agree he's a jerk.

Slash monster, but they say, I'm gonna get what I want out of it, which is X, Y, and Z. And so, and they couldn't go with Hillary. So, that's, I guess that's the only thing that I've tried to do to keep myself sane over the last couple months, last year and a half, is just thinking, what would I do if Trump was a Democrat? And he was saying these awful things. He was for a while. He was.

He was. He was. He supported the shit out of Hillary Clinton when she was a senator in New York. Got to talk. Yeah. I mean, the things he said when he was on stern and then in the like 90s and early odds were like, yeah, he was a progressive. I mean, I probably. And the pervert.

And a month, yeah, still a jerk, but like, I think like everyone, when he got elected, there was that hope, that brief, glimmer of hope that in my head, he would run, he would be a fiscal conservative and like, it's kind of a social liberal, you know, obviously until he actually took office, I was still hoping.

But I think all that Russia is doing in these bots, is they're just needless to say, it's very obvious, they're just sewing seeds of descent and they're trying to make us, you know, I blocked a dude on Facebook the other day, because we had a very brief, and they're trying to make us. You know, I blocked a dude on Facebook the other day because we had a very brief, but heated exchange about Brett Kavanaugh. And he said, to my understanding, a liberal guy,

he was just like, I feel bad for Brett Kavanaugh. And I couldn't get it either. And that's why I was like, I don't understand why you would feel bad for this guy. He's very clearly guilty, but then more importantly. He's super rich and white and has never had to deal with anything. Yeah, this is a gay friend of mine, by the way.

And when he gets on the court, he's gonna be by almost every, you know, objective measure, very likely, very conservative. And we don't know that yet, but that's certainly. As a gay dude? My gay friend was, was, was was said I just feel bad I'd be feel bad for him because he did something bad When he was 19 and it's coming back to haunt him. Ah, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Once again. I mean I couldn't I get that argument

I do get that argument though because because they don't realize what it does mentally to a female It ruins her whole life. She seriously wrecks her life. But I kind of get that like, oh, something dumb he did when he was 17. And basically not a serial rapist this guy, but just showing off to his friends, what did they call it, toxic homosociality, where you're just so obsessed with impressing your friends

that you do these terrible things. And then women are over here thinking the same thing, but opposite reactions saying, oh, attempting rape on a woman when you're 17 affects your whole life? Good. Good that it comes back to haunt you. Good that we're teaching young men

if you do this kind of shit, it could follow you the rest of your life. Good. But he's like, that sucks. So I do get that. And also older generations kind of see that as less of a thing, because we're like, well, that's how it was back then. I've heard that sentiment before.

But I think this is the problem with social media and this is all that Russia's doing, is that I don't know this guy very well. We hung out a couple times when we lived in New York. I've been Facebook friends with them and haven't seen them in probably eight years. But within three exchanges, I'd blocked him. And you just art very artfully represented, you know, a reasonable, a reasonable understanding of argument of what he was trying to say

which is he's not a monster he's not a jerk he's not saying i support republicans who rape women or sexually or assault women and yet all it took for me on social media was three exchanges before i said i'm never i never want to see him again it is social media are we training ourselves are we training ourselves to treat people that way in life? But yeah, you're right. Russia knows that it only takes a tiny little wedge. Just takes a tiny wedge and you hate that person. And that's why they focus on gun control and

cavernic and black lives matter and... These enormously contentious social issues. Just a little bit, you say something a little bit wrong. And either side will come at you. Well, this has been a fascinating discussion. Now, like I said, we've been talking to some conservatives quite a bit. There was actually a conservative guy who wants to come on our show that's kind of known

to be a troll and trying to get people in gacha moments. So James O'Keefe. No, it's a, I can't remember his name. He's just this little adorable Nazi-looking fella. Yeah, cool. He sounds adorable. You know, the puffy hair and the short, you know, the fade. Yeah, just cute as can be.

Yeah. But Nazi face, definitely, definitely like a Spencer kind of vibe. But you know, apparently I'm like, he was very nice and he's like, yeah, we should talk. And he's trying to get young people to join the conservative movement. But apparently he's a huge troll and he tries to do these. I've only found that after like after I talked to him, somebody came up to me and said, dude, you gotta watch out for that guy. And I'm fascinated to talk to that guy because I can shut you down in three moves,

just like you did on social media. I will end you verbally. But I'm fascinated to see if he's like a super nice guy, like he was when he reached out to me, like a sales rep. You know how they're nice when they're selling you stuff, but then once you buy it, we don't talk to you anymore. Yeah.

So I'm curious to see if that's kind of his ploy too. I don't know any Democrats that are like that, but I do know quite a few conservatives. It'll be interesting. The beauty is because it's your podcast, you can just not release it. That's also true, but I think he's going to be recording it for his podcast. Yeah, sure. Have you listened to his podcast? No.

But I'm going to get on that. I'm going to get on that and see how it goes. And we'll hear it here too. We'll put it out. I think it would be funny. Personally, I've never had to shut anybody down like that, but I don't know. I think it's worth a shot. I mean, I think right now, there aren't a lot of,

a lot of their arguments aren't good enough that I think liberals consistently lose. I mean, obviously, I'm on the left end of the spectrum. But like, yeah, I think it would be worth a shot. I'm sure you could. I have a few talking points where I just say this and it kind of ends. It just runs right. I mean, Trump's your president, it's not hard.

All right, you guys, this has been Brent Sullivan from one of the hosts of You're Making It Worse. We had the pleasure, like I said, of speaking with H. Allen the other day. It's going to be a great podcast. I can't wait for my listeners to get on board with it. So cool. Well, you guys, thank you so much, Brent Sullivan.

Thank you so much for having me. It's been wonderful having you. Thank you for coming for having me. It's been wonderful, having you. Thank you for coming on, Mueller, she wrote. I have a quick question for the panelists. Real quick, I know we're pretty rough on time. Yeah, we got two minutes left. Okay, for whom do we wish more invulnerability? Mueller or the notorious RBG?

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