Jack - Crossfire Hurricane

Episode Date: May 21, 2018

MAIN - This week, Jaleesa covers Mueller's investigation into Mifsud, Jordan gives an update on Mashburn & Dearborn, and AG breaks down Crossfire Hurricane. Enjoy!

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With me, as always, is Julie Sir Johnson. What's up? And Jordan Coburn? Hello guys Wednesday killed me I was drowning in news Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah a lot went down. Yeah, seriously breaking news on Wednesday was insane We have four bonus episodes this week Including Nunes versus the DOJ. We have an inside look at CIA code names We have Trump prepping for war with Mueller and a free bonus episode on why I know Trump can be indicted. We're just gonna release that to the public.

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This week, Julie's is going to go over Mueller's investigation into Miff Sud and his satellites. And Jordan, you have an update on your pals, Mashburn and Dearborn. Indeed. Yeah. It sounds like a Mumford and Sons or like, they play the mandolin or something. For sure. They should be a folk band. Yeah.

folk treason. Nice. folk treason. I'll be going over God knows what. But for now, let's try to tackle this week's news with just the facts. Okay, so first up, Trump forged his own Nobel Prize nominations. You guys, not a surprise. Twice.

That's a surprise. Yeah, the guy who hangs fake time magazine covers and is golden toilet room. Um, I think it's smacked with him apparently. Now to be fair, this is conjecture, but who do you think would have submitted fake nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize? Not Trump. So, so basically the Nobel committee got a nomination for Trump from some pretty famous and legit person, and we don't know who it is yet, but it seemed odd to the committee that this person would nominate Donald Trump for the really probably anybody would nominate Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize,

but this particular, they were like, no, I don't know if this happened. So they called the person and asked if they nominated Donald Trump because apparently Trump didn't think that they would vet out the nomination or check references and it turns out that person did not twice. out the nomination or check references. And it turns out that person did not. Twice. He's a fake reference.

Is he so humanizing? Like a job interview. Yeah. He submitted it twice on behalf of the same huge person. Yes. What an idiot. Last year and this year. Last year for what, I don't know,

this year for the North Korea thing that they're not gonna, they looks like they're gonna back out of. Yeah, I like, yeah. How do you submit for that first one just like undecided? Well, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize pretty much after he won the election. Yeah, and everyone was like, okay. Just because this campaign, the nature of it.

Right, I think it was the unifying campaign. The data core with which he holds himself. The hope and the lack of porn stars. I don't know. I guess maybe you just don't have any porn stars in your campaign, you know, you get a Nobel Peace Prize for that. Yeah. So where's mine? Oh wait, no I'm kidding. We learned Sunday that a Ukrainian computer was involved in a hack on the recent Tennessee elections. The hack caused the voting site to crash when vote totals were being reported. Jesus Christ. Yeah, site to crash when vote totals were being reported.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, county officials say that no voting data were affected and the results will be certified later this month. I mean, but how do they know? Well, they, let me pay for the trial. Okay. This will continue to happen as our shit head president continues to deny foreign interference in our elections because his penis is tiny. It's a peanut. Yeah, he's,. Yeah, he's far more concerned about the legitimacy of his victory than he is about the safety of our democracy. It's getting old. This is going to be a big story in the 2018 midterms. It's why we have to...

I don't care who you are, go vote. Register and vote. Revote Democrat across the board. We have to flip it. We're counting on you. Like I said, we aren't just fighting Trump. Revote Democrat across the board. We have to flip it. We're counting on you. Because like I said, we aren't just fighting Trump. We aren't just fighting Republicans. We're fighting Russians. And now the UAE and Israel and Saudi Arabia.

And apparently the Ukraine a little bit, I guess. Yeah, Ukraine, they're a part of it. V-S-A-V Russia. There you go. We learned Monday from Natasha Bertrand at the Atlantic that Mueller has been circling Mifsood Chile so you're gonna go over that story a little bit later. Oh, yeah, great reporting from Natasha Shout-out to Mifsood's child. Yes. Oh my god

Sorry, baby Then we found Then we found out that Mueller's grand jury was gonna be busy on Friday first Then we found out that Mueller's grand jury was going to be busy on Friday. First, they'll be interviewing the Ukrainian politician that communicated with House Trump on a plan to resolve the Ukraine conflict with Russia. His name is Andrii Artomenko. He contacted Felix Seder in February 2017 to find out how to pitch his peace plan to Trump.

Seder hooked him up with Cohen, who then hooked him up with Flynn. The plan included an idea to lease Crimea to Russia in exchange for Trump dropping sanctions on Russia. This is not okay. Don't invade the sovereign nation. We'll lease it to you for the money, and then we'll take sanctions off of you for doing that. And treat it like shit in the process, because it's a lease.

Seriously, it's awful. Yeah, you can't have pets probably. You know, it's... Yeah, pet right on a country. I can't imagine how much that costs. It's gotta be a lot. Oh my gosh. Anyway, that's super dickhead squid pro-crow.

We also found out that one of Roger Stone's minions, a guy named Sullivan, will be testifying to the Grand Jury Friday. All told, the Grand Jury has taken testimony from 42 people. 42. us and everything is... Then we learned of a possible conflict of interest with the Mueller investigation, in that the FBI once worked with Derapaska in 2009. Mueller didn't direct the operation, but he was in charge of the FBI at the time and was kept a prize of it. Basically, the FBI got Derapaska to spend a bunch of his own money to help rescue a CIA

agent that was captured in Iran in 2007. The US didn't like the terms and ended up aborting the operation. And the spy is still missing to this day, 11 years later. It's a sad story. I do not see how this has any bearing on anything. I mean, let's say Olivia Benson and Elliot Stabler recruit a Russian sex worker as an informant to help them nab a sex trafficker, right? Then six years later, that Russian sex worker murders six people. Oh, I guess we can't investigate her since she helped us one time. No, it doesn't make any sense. That's not how shit works.

We found out this week that Mueller filed to extend the statute of limitations for one of the charges in the Manafort case and that his motion was granted. Basically, one of Manafort's 18 charges, one of them, had an expiration date of of this year, but Mueller successfully and secretly filed to extend it. He filed the motion exparte, which means they didn't tell Manafort or his lawyers, leading me to the conclusion that Manafort is... "...but..." "...but..." Nice. Excellent.

Oh yeah. Medium reported Tuesday that Darapaska made it an until recently unreported trip to meet with the Trump campaign in 2016. According to flight records, which is how we've been tracking Darapaska now, he landed in San Francisco in June of 2016, while the Trump campaign was there ahead of the California primaries.

This is weird because he's been sanctioned and unable to visit for the past eight years. And yet the State Department refuses to comment on who let him in. This is Obama State Department. Wow. We don't know who granted him a visa, but I do remember in Russian Roulette,

reading all the time that Hillary Clinton was always bugged by Lavrov to get his buddy, Dara Pasca, a visa to the United States, like a lot, like over and over again. And she was always like, F-O-H, fuck out of here. But somehow he got one and he visited, he's visited twice now. We learned of this trip when his American lawyer, a lawyer, revealed Darapaska was questioned by the FBI in September of 2016. We learned – We learned – Yeah. We learned that the GOP took $7.5 million in donations from a Russian

oligarch named Blavotnik. The superpacks for Trump, McConnell, Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich, and John McCain accepted money from the Ukrainian-born Putin-Tied oligarch. Blavotnik owns a big part of Rousal. That's the giant aluminum company partly owned by, you guessed it, Oleg Darapaska. That's the giant aluminum company partly owned by, you guessed it, Oleg Darapaska. It's the same aluminum company that Trump bids are negotiating the sell-off of Darapaska shares in exchange for an easing on sanctions. So, interesting dot. That was the worst list I've ever heard. Yeah. It's pretty bad. The Daily Mail reported this week that Michael Cohen asked a Katari investor Al Rumehi for a million dollars,

which he said he would pass on to Trump during that December meeting that Avonati posted photos of, remember that whole thing? We did a short reporting on those photos at the beginning of the week. The Katari's or the Qataris have confirmed that they were at the meeting since we reported on that. And we also learned that ice cube is tied into the story. Wait, not black cube. Not black ice cube? Yeah, not black cube, but ice cube.

But he is a black guy. Ice cube and his business partner are suing Al Ramehi for $1.2 billion for failing to fund a new basketball league they were trying to start up. In a court filing, ice cube's partner said Al Al Remy, he asked him to tell Steve Bannon that the guitarries would fund him since the mercers had pulled all their money at a bright bar after Trump and Bannon broke up. Remember that?

Yeah. Ice Cube's partner refused. He's like, it's like out of here. That's my thing today. And Al Remy, he said, everyone does it. You think Flynn turned our money down? Hmm. You think Flynn turned our money down? He. You think Flynn turned our money down?

They told Ice Cube that. They told Ice Cube's partner that. Okay, okay. So in summary, on a hike, a nice hike. So in summary, the steel dossier claimed that there was a plan to sell 19% of Rossnaft off to generate a commission to pay Trump to lift Obama sanctions, right? That's the steel dossier. December 1, cushioned Flynn tried to set up a back channel to Russia.

Six days later, Qatar and Glencore by 19% of Rosneft. Five days later, Qatar shows up at Trump Tower. One month later, the dossier comes out fingering the Rosneft sale as a Trump-squid pro-crow. So it's obvious to Qatar that they're the middleman for Russia to get this rosneth money to Trump. Then you've got cutter telling Ice Cube's business partner he bribed Trump through Flynn. Then there's a golf crisis in April between Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Cutter, and Kushner escalated it. Then seven months later, there's a magical $184 million loan from Cutter to Kushner. Do you guys remember when Kushner met with the guys from City Group and Apollo at the White House?

For the 666. And he got those two loans for $184 million. Yeah, one of them is backed by Katari money. So the only thing I wonder about is, first of all, why Katar is trying to buy Bannon's love after Trump dumped him. Maybe they're just hedging their bets. Yeah, yeah. And how does that all fit into the Marshall Plan, the sale of nuclear reactors to Saudi

Arabia? This whole thing is insane, but shock up another W for Avanati. He has not been wrong yet. Honestly, that's why I love him. He's consistent. He's a little douchey. I was going to say, a lot of our followers have been commenting on what an insufferable douchebag he is. That's very true. Yeah. But he has them agree with you.

He's, thank you. That's what I was looking for. He is walking to talk though. He is. He's not like a Giuliani full of hot air like the things he's saying are coming to fruition. He walks it like he talks it like that Migos song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like he has something to back it up which is fine. For once you've mentioned something that I don't know what what I'm talking about. I actually I've listened to them either. Oh, they are better than coffee every morning. I'll get you guys on it. No more drink Like they wake me up in the morning. Oh, they're a group. Yeah, I don't know that they're better I will say though that would have not eat again zero issues. Well, he's doing he's doing great things right

Yeah, but he's a thing you think If I had to pick like a father figure, it would have been him. Yeah. Sometimes I wonder how he speaks his to army. I'm like, OK. He'd be the porn star. I would need to pay off. Wednesday, we got an update on the letter to Congress that they wrote to try to obtain emails

between Mashburn and Dearborn that mentioned Papadopolis. I remember when they had the beginning of the word, so look for any misspellings. Jordan, you're going to talk later about that. Yes. popodopolis. I remember when they had like the beginning of the word like for it. So look for any misspellings. Jordan, you're going to talk later about that. Yes. Then we got breaking news that the Senate Intelligence Committee is breaking with the House Intelligence Committee and Nunes by supporting the Intelligence Communities Assessment that Russia interfered in our elections to help Trump and hurt Hillary. These are Republicans that chair this committee. Republicans chair all the committees right now because they're the majority.

Republican Richard Burr, who was reportedly pressured by Trump and junior senators as Trump at Trump's behest to drop the Russian investigation, said, quote, we see no reason to dispute the conclusions of the intelligence community. This is really significant because it isolates House Republicans as the only group covering for the president now. Hell yeah, fucking units. I salute them. The Senate is putting the screws to the House in a lot of ways, not just this way.

The Senate, for example, passed a bill to stop the rollback of Obama-era net neutrality protections. Now the House will have to go on record as voting against it during election season. Nice. They are also likely going to make them vote on DACA and legislation to protect special counsel. So the House will have to go on the record against net neutrality against DACA and against Mueller and the entire Russian investigation right before we all decide if they get to keep their jobs. They're gonna seal their face with a hint of deal. They call it a dog and pony vote. Yeah, but it's it's you know, the

pony why do they call it that? Because they're making them vote on something they know they'll vote no on, just so they can get them on the record as voting no. Right, right. Right, before the election, so that you can generate, he voted no on dreamers, he voted no on neutrality.

So, pony's used to vote, I'm guessing that's the origin of that. No. No. No. Yeah, I'm just having trouble understanding the animal connection. Probably one of those like random ones that,

you ever heard the phrase a dog in ponies show? No, but I never knew it in my own way. It's just like a hoopla much. I do about nothing Oh, it's about like a kangaroo cord. It's a for show. I love a dog in show though. It's for show. Yeah, cool. Oh, it is silly like a pop and circumstance like you're just being over dramatic There you go. Yeah, nice dog in ponies. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, we learned something. I didn't know that that was a generation X I guess so yeah, all right. Well, there you go. Tweet at. Dog and pony show. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We learned something. Oh, I didn't know that that was a generation X. I guess so, yeah. All right.

Well, there you go. Tweet at me at Muller Shee Road. Have you heard Dog and pony show? Yeah. We have Kray Kray. Yeah. We have that too. I'm more of like a ping pong show and Vietnam kind of.

Oh, okay. Yeah. That's different. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the shows. Like, we don't know of any variety shows that aren't just complete the Boucher the Gong show. Oh, I heard of that. Never seen it. Yeah, there's never like literally a dog and pony show on television or something that it's a reference to it's just yeah

I'll say sorry. Can I correct myself is definitely not Vietnam? No, you're right. It's probably Thailand. Yeah, it is definitely Thailand I'm really where our friend I have a studio now. I've been watching a lot of documentaries this week Where are friends? I'm gonna give me nasty a rib been watching a lot of documentaries this week. Where are friends? Forgive me. Nostya Ribko is a sex coach, but now in prison. Yes, exactly. The New York Times published a piece breaking all sorts of news on the Mueller investigation and its origins on Wednesday. And I'll be going over that a little bit later in the show. Nice. Also Wednesday, Trump disclosed that he did pay Cohen back for Stormy Daniels. Something between a hundred thousand and two hundred and fifty thousand, just a small window. Immediately after he filed this declaration, the Office of Government Ethics made a criminal referral on the matter to the Department of Justice, saying, hey, this might help you out in that thing that you've been investigating. Indicating that

the FBI may have been investigating this payment disclosure or non-disclosure, possibly since 2017 when he first was supposed to declare it. Oh snap. Yep. We also found out how Avonati got Cohen's bank documents. Remember how we were talking about all that? Yeah. It was like how do you get him? What's the verdict? Well, I had positive that he got in the dirt from SARS, which is not the disease. Discovery?

Is that what a Russian officer is? A suspicious activity report. is not the disease. But discovery is that one of the Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or

Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or

Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or Russian or access to all of these SARS. It turns out, Avanati did get the information from a SAR, but not in discovery. Remember, I thought it was in discovery in this drama case. And somebody tweeted like, yeah, but that case has been stayed. And I'm like, maybe it was before, but I don't know. You got it from a SAR, but where did it come from?

Well, the leak came from a law enforcement officer. And we don't know who, but he or she was looking into the SINFEN database, expecting to find the three SARS in this case. And only one was there. Two had been disappeared. Two had been removed. Rachel Maddow said they'd gone walkies, which I think is my favorite news for. They've gone walkies.

Yeah. Because I take my dog for walkies. It went rogue. Yeah. They've been removed. And that has never happened in the history of the database. And this freaked out the law enforcement officer, so he leaked that one SAR that was still in there. Right, well, he still could, yeah.

And he saw that the other two SARs, because he had seen those other two SARs before, and they total about $3 million, and the other two SARs are mentioned in the first SAR, so they definitely exist. That's the effect. That's crazy. But we have to keep in mind that the FBI,

the DOJ or Mueller may have sealed those SARs to prevent them from getting That's the fact. That's crazy. But we have to keep in mind that the FBI, the DOJ or Mueller, may have sealed those SARS to prevent them from getting out to the public. Okay. My conjecture is that those SARS show two things. Payments to Russian bots. And I'm feeling all your thoughts, I don't know where you're going to shit about, and I'm thinking all your thoughts. And a 1.6 million dollar payoff to a pregnant playboy playmate on behalf of Donald Trump maybe? Oh, per half soup. The one they blamed for broiding on? There's 1.6 million plus 775,000 plus a cut for Cohen comes out to about 3 million.

There could also be payments to other countries for their cooperation, which we're going to talk about later on in the show. It might not be the 1.6 million dollar pay-off, that might be this other thing. So anyway, thanks to Jason Ward, by the way, for the Making Star Wars podcast for that song. Oh yeah, thank you Jason. You can hear the whole for the making Star Wars podcast for that song. Oh, yeah. Thank you, Jason. You can hear the whole thing on Spotify and definitely check out their podcasts. They're pretty amazing.

For sure. Also on Wednesday. Wednesday never ended. Wednesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee, that's a different committee from the Senate Intelligence Committee that concluded this week that Russia interfered on behalf of Trump, different committee. The Judiciary Committee jumped, jumped. They dumped about 2,500 pages of documents from their investigation.

I've been pouring over all of them. It's a lot of transcripts of interviews and emails and text messages and shit like that. Right. And the only thing that came out that we haven't really already talked about on this show is that Rob Goldstone goes to in an email to Emma and Agalaraf. That's the singer, kid, Azerbaijani. That's right. From the 2013 Miss Universe. Yep.

Um, Stone, Emma and Agalaraf, Goldstone said he'd been interviewed by federal attorneys twice about this June Trump Tower meeting and it's put in him in a bad, it's put in Donald Trump Jr. in a bad place. But Mueller didn't know about the Trump Tower meeting until it was reported in the New York Times 11 days after Goldstone sent this email to Agilarov, which could mean Mueller actually knew before the New York Times broke the story. Otherwise, what federal attorneys were interviewing Goldstone? Yeah.

Also in these documents, there's another mention of the block number that Donald Trump Jr. spent 11 minutes speaking with on the phone right after the June 2016 Trump tower meeting, but we still don't have answers about who he was speaking to, though I'm sure Mueller knows. And that he hasn't called D.T. Jr. in yet, that makes me suspect he's a target.

Oh, yeah. I would err on Muller having already known. Yeah, I think he's already. Yeah. Got that. That's a pretty easy phone dump for him. Yeah. Well, well, we can only ask him, although I'm not sure why Senate Intelligence, Senate Judiciary, I know why House Intelligence didn't, but why haven't these guys subpoenaed these call records to get or to spoke into the phone company to get that proof? Keeping them from the public sounds like the most likely situation there. Yeah, or they just didn't do it. When you say dump, you just mean release to the public? No, I just mean they dump his phone so that they can look at the phone records. Ah, got it. Yeah. Okay.

Cool. Question. I'm sorry. I'm so unclear on this. No. When the Senate or any House or Senate intelligence or judiciary committees, if they discover any documents, at what point can those be released to the public? Is that just on a rolling basis?

They're deciding what is okay to be obtained by anyone that inquires about it by some sort of freedom of. Well, it's usually up to the chair. to be obtained by anyone that inquires about it by some sort of freedom of... Well, it's usually up to the chair. Unless you have a wily, dion, finestein, who wants to circumvent the shooting rate and release transcripts, which she's done. And apparently that's not illegal because they haven't gotten her in trouble. I think basically what you probably have to do to release documents to the public is to clear it with the FBI and DOJ to make sure that any

sources and methods are redacted and that you're not giving up any classified information and then if you're a senator and you chair or your co-chair, it seems like you can just release them. That's cool. You want to have the kind of the partnership with your co-chair to release them together because that's just gonna make your political life easier later on too. Yeah, but I think some like she's like you know, don't care. Yeah, for sure. And did it that time. Yeah, she's like, I'm not going anywhere.

I mean, California fucking loves me. Yeah, you don't, you don't release documents to Congress unless you intend on or it's okay understanding that they could be released to the public. Okay. Otherwise, if it's classified information, you know, they put you to bring you in the room and they either they won't let you see it or they let you see it for political reasons and bring you in a room and lock in there and say, you can't have your staffers with you and it's all top secret and you have to read it or not. Right. Noonah.

Yeah, I was going to say. I checked Noonah. I checked. Noonah. I checked. I checked. Noonah. All right, we can move on to Thursday, finally. Yes. Mueller submitted the fully unredacted version of the Rosenstein memo outlining the scope of

the investigation to the court. Judge Ellis demanded this memo in a hearing last week. And this is also the memo that Noonah is jonesing to not read, I guess. No, no, no, I just can't read. You have a kidding. Also Thursday, the Mueller investigation got a brand new Guilty plea and a brand new cooperating witness you guys. This kind of news was sort of went under the radar and I don't know if you know this

or not, but we have another cooperating witness you guys. This kind of news was sort of went under the radar, and I don't know if you know this or not, but we have another cooperating witness. We haven't somebody flipped. Hey, it slipped into the cracks, yeah. It's Manafort's former son-in-law. Oh, right, oh, yeah. It used to be in business with them, okay? Jeffrey Yohei, or Yohei, has pleaded guilty

to federal criminal charges in California in January. This is one of the sealed indictments that's been on the dockets in January. He pled guilty to bank fraud and conspiracy. Basically, he and Manafort got a shit ton of loans by lying to banks about real estate construction and got all this money. This is back when they were trying to do and Manafort was trying to get all that money after he lost his Ukraine job because he owed Derapaska $18 million, so he was going nuts

trying to get loans everywhere. And then eventually he got the job with Donald Trump So there, you know, we didn't have things but this guy flipped and he's he's been there the whole time So I know so much manifold is super Fuck We we've got better but we have but that was our first try you get the thing and we just committed No, I bet we didn't want to like 20 minutes. I know I just mean just that. Oh, yeah, that was our first try Just our patron Kevin Burns broke that story to me actually as soon as that came out. Oh, no That's a chemical. Yeah, the entrance. Oh, the man for one

Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, that's not a lot Let's see here. Everyone is guilty. Holy shit. That fucking family. Yeah. I mean, like, mom's usually run in like, families, you know, they're usually the whole community. So I'm not surprised.

Thanks, Avrilish. Yeah. Just try a democracy. Michael Cohen's Korean translator for his Korean aerospace deal and the owner of a Demeter Direct, the beneficiary of a bunch of payments from Cohen's first Republic Slush Fund, has been interviewed by the FBI. And when I say this, basically when Avonati released his seven-page document with all these funds going back and forth, Korean Aerospace was one of the companies and they noticed

payments out to Demeter Direct. Okay. Well, apparently there's a Korean translator at Demeter Direct named Mark Co. He was the guy who did the deal because if you remember Korean aerospace said we never dealt directly with Cohen. Yeah. They dealt with this guy at Demeter Direct. So anyway, he was interviewed by the FBI and he said quote they seem to know everything. That's what everyone keeps saying. Do you believe him? He's been a single person. It's like, he doesn't know he's talking about him. He doesn't bring you in to ask you questions. He doesn't have the answer.

Exactly. That's not how it works. Yeah. Another Roger Stone aid was subpoenaed later in the week, bringing the count to two just this week. But neither the FBI or the Mueller investigation has reached out to Stone himself, indicating Stone is a target. Oh yeah, he's getting scared. Keep your eyes out for a Stone indictment soon. Yeah, and for his next Instagram video. It's next tattoo. Gross.

Oh, go on. Judge Muller's face on his ass. Judge Ellis post-poned the Manafort hearing about his motion to dismiss the charges. He asked for two more weeks. This is probably to give himself more time to review the new fully unredacted memo filed by Muller this week. Everyone's like two weeks. What do you to give himself more time to review the new fully unredacted memo filed by Mueller this week. Everyone's like, two weeks, what do you need two weeks for?

They're worried he's not going to dismiss these charges, but I put some beans on it. He's going to. The House GOP and Trump continued Thursday to push for the release of the identity of the FBI informant that spoke to Papadopoulos in page during the 2016 campaign that the New York Times reported on earlier in the week. In response, the FBI has been forced to put, quote, quote, emergency security measures in place to protect the safety of the informant in the likely event and his identity is revealed. And without fail Friday, the daily caller identified the informant as Stefan Halper, a US citizen teaching at Cambridge. We'll be doing an entire bonus episode on the battle between Nunes and the DOJ, so check that out if you're a patron. I can't. Oh, sorry.

I'm just going to say, it's crazy going through college and now just looking back and imagining how many of my professors were involved in international crimes. Oh, you went to Cambridge? Nice. Oh, yeah. No, I told you. They're probably everywhere. Then something extraordinary happened on Friday. This is crazy. We learned that Trump has been pushing the Postmaster General to raise shipping costs for Amazon. So what does this have to do with Mueller and Russia?

You say? Well, Amazon is owned by Jeff Bezos, who also owns the Washington Post. And it's well known that Trump hates the Washington Post for all of its reporting on the oil for all of its reporting on the Mollable. I don't know where that actually came from like a Washington Post that's it from all of its reporting on the Mueller investigation. Using federal government agencies to punish political enemies is blatant abuse of power you guys. It was the basis for one of Nixon's articles of impeachment when he uh... remember no you don't but uh... i didn't either so don't worry about it but when he used the irs to target the tax returns of his political enemies

like he wanted the taxes audited for every single democrat running for reelection uh... that's using your government they said use the government machinery to fuck with them or something like that yeah that's crazy. And that's crazy that he's doing this. That is an impeachable offense. Totally. For sure. Add that to the pile. Yeah, at right.

I hope Amazon Hand delivers his indictment in less than two days shipping. Oh my gosh. That's good. The prime indictment will wait for membership fee. You're wanted in court. I love it. That would be so great. All right, you guys, we need to take a quick break.

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Is that cool? Absolutely. So we have a lovely article from the Atlantic that was written by a special fan of the pot. And one of your heroes, right, A.G.? It's awesome, it's awesome. It's a version of Bertrand. Yeah, yeah. So this one is called Muller's probe is even more expansive than it seems.

And that's what she said. So somebody commented, somebody commented and said, it can't cost that much. And it's expansive, not expensive. Right. So Bertrand discussed in this piece how Mueller's team has not only interviewed a bunch of big name people, but also more obscure names that pretty much no one's heard of.

And these are the people Natasha suspects telling even more interesting story. So recently we learned that the FBI agents working for Mueller allegedly detained a lawyer with ties to Russia who was closely associated with Joseph Miffsord. So we all remember Miffsord, right? The deadbeat big daddy. Yeah, deadbeat baby. Totally. So we learned about Miffsord's connection

to this detained lawyer through a book co-written by that very same lawyer, Steven Roe, right? It's an interesting name Roe. So he's a German millionaire with clear ties to Russia. He hired Miffssaid as a quote, business development consultant in 2015. Sounds a lot like East Central consultants, right? Like the total fake name. It's fucking essential. Right. So also according to Papa Dopp's wife, Papa Dopp was Mifsaid's partner best friend and the money behind him. So and she also worked for

Mifsaid. So she might know what she's talking about. She is. Yeah. And fun fact, Rose Wife Olga is a Russian fashion designer who appeared on a British reality TV show called Meet the Russians. Oh my God. It's not even that relevant, but it's so funny to me. I remember the theme song for that, Be Like.

I want to see it. We should get that music. So, Ro Khoathe. Meet the Russians. I don't know. I don't know it sounds so American yeah like that's not so too neat like a plucky couple of people living in the same apartment who have different personalities I would totally watch that yeah I love it so it's called it's called friends with benefits yeah that's So Roe co-authored this book and is called The Faking of

Recigate, the Papa Doppler's Case. So it's pretty ridiculous, but it does shed a new light on the expansive nature of Mueller's investigation. It also highlights Mueller's interest in one of the probe's biggest questions, what at the campaign know and when at they know it. So here's what we know right now. Roe and his-author, also who knows Mifce did, they wrote in the book that upon arriving in New York with his family in October 2017, one of the co-authors was fished from the passport control line at JF Kennedy Airport while his family was retained with armed police force. He says he was interrogated for hours and a team of special counsel or a team from special counsel Robert Muller's investigation Pretty much they observed follow taped and

Spide on their family. They said and they even said the family was assigned to a special room at the hotel Well, what a coup d'état. Yeah, it's like it gets really weird You have to see it again. That's just like a threes company Yeah, written like it's written all over it Totally dark and it's all in the book so the book outlines how Row intersected with miffsa at two institutions the first was the London Academy of diplomacy and Link campus University A private institution in Rome that row co-owned and that's where miffsa top briefly Secondly in April 2016 miffsa and Rose spoke on a panel together

at the Kremlin-backed Val-di Club, a think tank that is close to Vladimir Putin and hosts him every year for a keynote address. So the club is also described in the book as, quote, one of the most influential Russian think tanks in Moscow, maybe even the most prestigious. So that's just where they hung out. And even though it's unclear whether Roe was actually surveilled after being interviewed,

the book further alleges that Mifzit is not a Russian spy, but it's actually, quote, deeply embedded in the network of Western intelligence services. So they're saying that he and Poppodop are Western intelligence operatives who were placed in the Trump campaign by the FBI. And it's not the first conspiracy theory that said this. There was actually a book by Ted Malik last year

that was called The Plot to Destroy Trump, how the deep state fabricated the Russian Dessier to subvert the president. That's a long title. That is mouthful. And it will lose interest with your base. That's a bit much. But obviously, you're not speaking to readers.

Let's keep it short and sweet. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, obviously, some of these people are just, yeah, they're capitalizing. Trump, good. Hillary cheated. Yeah, no, no.

It's like seven pages. Trump, good. Hillary, ugly. I think they know that. It's a pop-up book. Yeah, a coloring book. Yeah, pop-up book. Although I got that so book. It's beautiful. Yeah, a coloring book. Yeah, pop-up book. I thought that's so much.

That's great. So obviously, some of these people are just capitalizing on the controversy itself. But it is a commonly believed theory among Trump supporters that covert intelligence activity connected to the Trump campaign was not Russian, but Western. So even though Papadopoulos was indicted in October for lying to federal agents about his contact with Mipzud and is now

cooperating with Muller some Trump supporters are just like whatever that was all for show Yeah, they just he worked for the FBI, but we arrested him exactly They'll believe whatever they want but the latest on this is that he's gone a wall So we talked about this last time but the update is that yeah, he's been missing disappeared ever since his name was made public last year and In the book row and pastor the co-authors see that they last spoke to Miffsed by phone on January 13th this year 2018 and Miffsed told them that he had been set up According to the authors and he called popodoplas and agent provocator

or Provocator and Miffsett had gone into hiding per recommendation of the Italian secret service. And since then, he's been requested to hide, not to communicate and not to speak to the press. He's been, quote, put away and threatened to stay quiet. So that's just the creepy ending that article left on. So the Italians suggested to Miffsett that she's hiding.

Yeah, well, they probably did take care of it. They probably made it seem like he had a choice, but he really didn't. But the Italians would work with us on that. That's weird. That is weird. Natasha, what's up? You got a call in there? The name of that, I wish I would have called it down.

There's a name of that specific service too. I just paraphrase to the Italian secret service, but the whole organization, we can look more into them maybe. I'm sure it's government. Yeah, yeah. I just wonder, I to the Italian Secret Service, but the whole organization we can look more into them maybe. I'm sure it's government. Yeah, yeah. I just wonder, I wonder too, like why? I mean, we had, we had it falling out in World War II, but we're friends again.

Yeah, yeah, so they're helping out. And that could be a good thing then, right? That they're hiding him. That could be actually for the sake of... Not if he's saying that he was set up. Yeah, maybe set up by someone else though. He's saying he's set up by Papa Doppler. Oh, that's right.

He's trying to say that Papa Doppler is a Western intelligence operative. Yeah, so it is pretty easy. At least that's what it sounds like to me. I'd have to read the article more closely. They tranquilize them and throw them in a car for his own good, you know, and they'll just be quiet. Yeah, but he's one of the bad guys. I know, he's the bad guy,

but you said the Italian Secret Service is an ally of ours, right? Yeah, so why are they having a bad guy from us? They might have grabbed him for us. They're like, we'll take care of this. We'll just keep him quiet. I know, it's a big event. But we would have talked to him.

We would have them ex-we would have said, this is all very confusing. It's very weird. But I guess we'll find out. We're gonna need Natasha, we're gonna need you to call in next week. Yes. It's our season premiere. We've got a lot of great call-ins. Yeah. Yeah, but I guess we'll find out we're gonna need Natasha. We're gonna need you to call in next week. Yes It's our season premiere. We've got a lot of great Collins Yeah, call it please do what's happening?

We would be forever grateful you are my hero one of them for sure We need more info on that one for sure. We definitely do a great article. Honestly, like it had me it was entertaining You'll be at Lanx amazing. She's a incredible writer, so definitely all Definitely. Well, thank you very much for that reporting. Jordan, what do you have for us on Mumford & Sons? Yes, so Mumford & Sons aka Mashburn & Dearborn. This is really just really into Mashburn. No. This is kind of a short update.

I think what'll be interesting is a little bit, bit conversation we can have discussion about what it means exactly. Yeah. But basically, so Mashburn testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee and he has repeatedly told them that he recalled receiving a message with some detail about Russian information on Hillary Clinton and that the other campaign officials almost certainly would have been copied on this memo. So this is, why this is so important? Basically, is because this is the point just talking about, you know, who knew what and when they knew it.

He's referencing the time when Papa Doppler's had sent an email to him about Russia having Doron Hillary Clinton. So essentially, this is the origination of the campaign learning of the efforts to undermine her campaign. Right. And he's a recipient of the email and he testifies to the Senate. I remember getting it. Yep. Papa Doppler was in there. And I remember finestein and somebody else writing a letter.

Might have been blue with all camera. Yeah. Yeah. Writing a letter saying, you need to search your emails again. We didn't get this email. We know it exists because this guy, Mashburn, tells us it's real and he's the one who got it. Uh-huh. So maybe don't search for the correct spelling of pop-a-dopolis. Look for pop-a-doppa. Right. Or something like that. Yeah. Anything beginning with pop-a-dop.

Uh-huh. And they still haven't found it. They still haven't found it. And so not only can they not find it mash mash burn camp or they Literally nobody can find it the Senate can't find it house can't find it FBI can't find it like Mueller can't find it No one does the same Mueller doesn't have it. Yes, it does yeah It's in the article at least that I was reading. Okay. It's trippy. It's weird that they know what he doesn't have Yeah, but also I know that I know that Let me know that. Let me find out how they worded it. The special counsel, quote, this

one and also just so you know, this is a New York Times article titled Tantalizing Test Money from a top Trump aid sets off a search for proof. And I quote, the special counsel, Robert Esmeral, the third was also searching for similar emails, according to a person familiar with a request for documents that his investigator sent to the Trump campaign. The campaign, which has examined his emails and other documents, also cannot find the message and officials do not believe it exists. So I'm sorry, Robert Muller genetically say, we can't find it, but he asked them to produce it and they can't. Right.

That's my friend then. Right. Yeah, because Muller might have it. Trump didn't produce it and they can't. Right. And that might be different then. Yeah, because Mueller might have it, Trump didn't produce it. That's very true. Pop it up to produce it. That means it could have been destroyed. Yes.

In which case, which is what it begs, I think, in which case you are, that's obstruction of, that's obstruction of justice. Yes. Would it be possible that Mueller has it before it was destroyed and then like, okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, or he could have found it like, you know, how you delete an email, but

it's never really deleted. He might have been able to find it. Super secret. Yeah, yeah. Or might have been able to pull it off of a phone image from somebody. Yeah, yeah. It would make sense. I mean, Mueller's been on top of this more so than any of those other, you know, groupings

of people that I just listed off. So it would make sense that if anyone was going to get it before they would try to Put it onto the rug. It would be Mueller's seems so we have two options here Either it exists and Mueller has it nobody else does and nobody else is handing it over because it was destroyed or to the email never Existed and this guy on Trump side is lying about having gotten it right to save his own butter something you think or to make it up I mean, what I'm saying is if it never existed in the first place Why would this guy testify? That's what I'm wondering.

These are our only two options. Right. It exists or it doesn't. No more likely that it exists. For sure. Well, it seems more likely at least. It would be weird if it didn't. Yes, it would be.

And if he, exactly. And if he lied about it existing, this would be the first instance that I can remember of someone lying about evidence that would hurt the Trump campaign. Yeah. That's, that's how that hasn't happened yet at all. Yeah, and him.

Right. I mean, I guess not if you're cooperating and you aren't lying about it. But it won't look good. You don't say anything. Yeah. And I think also what's interesting to know is, once a committee went through,

tried to find it the first time, couldn't find it, they tried changing the names, which up search for any spelling. Yeah, exactly tried. Because this name apparently is hard for people. It's opa-dopolis. It's kind of problematic, but whatever. And then it's like, you're in fucking hell.

It's a tough one. It's true. It is. It is. It is. It is. That is true. Also, yeah, I guess they could have intentionally

misspelled it or something to try to circle if they're that smart They might be yeah, it's in a two subject or a from subject subject line or not subject line, but two from or subject line Yeah, if it's two or from it's gonna be automatically spelled away at spell for sure That's gonna be the correct spell exactly But if it's in a subject line or if it's I mean, I don't understand this because if it was forwarded to him or if it was from him Then it would be searched under the proper spelling of his name.

Yes. This indicates to me that the email has been destroyed. Yeah. Now, of course, that's conjecture, but I'm right. Yeah. Because again, why would this dude say, incriminate himself and incriminate the Trump campaign as a Trump aid and say he sent me this stuff. I know that the emails there when it didn't exist. Yeah, I think the press is also doing a really good job of restraining

themself and not asserting that, which seems to be the elephant in the room. It's like, all right, well then where is this? But we're the podcast with the swears. Exactly. We can inject yourself to the elephant. Yeah, no, for sure. But it's, yeah, we can talk to the elephant. Call him, yeah. Call me a liza thon, babe. Oh, dude, for sure, but just but but it's yeah, we can talk to the call in yeah, come yeah, let's go

We all agree on the we all know what the wild are we first right though. We all like get on top of that kind of yeah Guys we all three got a reference. Oh Happy when you're Miller anniversary you guys Cheers, yeah, because I mean that's that's fantastic but but I love it. Seriously, cheers. Yeah, because I mean, that's fantastic. It's fantastic. But, yeah, that really is. But what was interesting is that they gave them an opportunity to adjust his testimony about this specifically because they went and they tried to find it and they couldn't.

And he comes in and he's like, nope, same thing. I'm telling you, you lost that square. He's like, nope, same thing. I'm telling you, I saw it. Yeah, he's like, I saw it. And the campaign, other campaign aids and officials had to have been copied on it. There's no way they would not have been copied on it. There is a third possibility that he falsely remembers getting this email.

Oh, yeah, that's a huge false remember to stick to. That's a third possibility. You're right, it is totally possible. It's odd to fall so you remember something that would incriminate your side. But, uh, unless he's secretly out to get drunk, maybe he's part of the deep state. We should take a poll. We should say, what do you think? Yeah, tweet at us. I know she wrote that. Yeah. What else do you think? Someone, uh, article that I read reports that when he was in their testifying, he like went out and got a

nice, great sandwich. Yeah. He was just Yeah, that's adorable ice cream sandwiches are bomb. They are. I love ice cream sandwiches. Oh my gosh. Yeah, good old-fashioned ice cream sandwiches except when they stick to your fingers the stuff but then you get to look it off. It's fantastic. I would believe anything someone said while I were eating ice cream sandwiches.

Even the guys I just got in his office. Yeah, totally. Geez. All right, lay off with the Mumperd and Sons. WTF. Great. Thank you guys. Thank you, Jordan. Thank Mumverton Sons. Yeah, WTF. Great, thank you guys. Thank you, Jordan.

You're welcome. Yeah, that's good reporting. I, I'm going to cover the new reporting from this week's New York Times article on Crossfire Hurricane. That's the code name. The CIA gave the early investigation into Russia helping Trump.

We have a whole bonus episode this week for patrons on the CIA naming conventions for stuff like that. So check that out. There's some funny stuff in there. And here's some, well, I remember they called Ben Laden Geronimo. I actually met the seal who killed Ben Laden. No way.

It's from San Diego. It's one of those guys. Well, I mean, all seals come out of San Diego. There we go. I don't remember exactly. In article just came out about him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Very cool dude. Older fella. Really? Late 30s. Very experienced operative. Yeah, he's the one who got to say a Geronimo. Damn. Anyway, I hope that doesn't give away what my job is. No, no, I wouldn't have guessed that. I'm not a seal.

There's so many branches that I've brought. Oh, you are a seal. I'm not a seal. No, she's a Navy seal. No, totally not. She's an actual seal. Who have you healed? To be her baby seal.

I know the five point poem exploding heart techniques. Oh, no, that's, is that a reference? You got it. Yeah, I have five. There we go. Sorry, I say Zoola. Oh my God, nice. We have five. We actually high five. Yes. Anyway, there's a lot of stuff that came out in this report. Like the New York Times does this thing. Oh, so does Washington Post. They'll release a story

and they'll be like, there's a guy named John is the name of the story. But then there's like 18 different crazy new stories that drop like bombshell reports drop in the story This one had quite a few. So here's some of the things that we found out first We found out that the FBI scrambled to open an investigation into Trump at the end of July July 31st 2016 because Australia called ring a ding and and said hey and said, hey, guiding popodopolis mouth and off in a British pub, Alexander Downer, was the Australian diplomat who was in that London pub.

I hope it wasn't Ye old Kushner's pub. Oh my goodness. Or was it, was it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ye old Kushner, yeah. Ye old Kushner. We gotta get some merch going. Oh, they will have money. He'll take it too.

Which calm Kush. Kush, don't drink anything, it's all money. He'll take it too. Which calm Kush. Don't drink anything, it's all poison. Don't smoke me there. So they got this call from Australia and said, there's a drunk guy mouth and off that this guy named Misfsood told him about Hillary Clinton emails and he's going to win the whole Trump presidency. He's going to be the chief of staff or whatever.

He's, you know, bragging, drunk bragging. So the worst time Seriously, it is he had administration goggles Cabinet goggles there we go. Yeah until now we didn't know that the FBI had traveled to the UK within hours of opening the Investigation and interviewed Alex Downer within hours August 2nd Or yeah with before August 2nd because the July 31st was when the investigation was open, and then boom, they went to interview him directly. So there is now documentary evidence of what started the Trump Russia investigation.

So, Nunez, can you say, is that the first scene of the movie? This is probably going to be a Netflix series. There's just too much. That is the first scene of the movie. I mean, unless you go back, unless we could probably do a memento thing where we start and do in different time orders, like a pulp fictiony sort of situation

where you start with that pop-dopulous drunk brag. But then you flash back to the Miss Universe pageant. Totally. And then maybe you could even go back further, because I mean, they were hoarding for eight, five or eight years ago. You should make this movie if no one else does. Artistically, I feel like I might prefer

to own a putting scene of Trump sitting in a prison cell and panning out. That's fun. Going backwards from there. It's like fan fiction, though. Not be great. Yeah, or maybe Roger Stone's prison wife.

Yeah. Getting to meet Nixon's tattoo face to face. There you go. Yeah. You know, he got it for a reason. Trigger warning. Sorry. That was a comedian, not news.

All right, there we go. Yes, we have to wait for it. Sorry. Put a journalist hat back on. If you want to talk, tweet at me. It's hard. Yeah, same for anything we say. Yeah.

Anyway, there is now documented evidence. That was new as his whole thing. You don't have any evidence that Papa Doppler started this. No evidence whatsoever. Well, now there is documented FBI interviews with Alexander Downer in the UK when they talked about this. Crazy. And that's what led to the, I mean, obviously the report of it kicked off the investigation.

Like, yeah, I see what you mean. Technically it started it. Well, like they opened the investigation July 31st when they heard about it, when the Australians called, then they went to interview them, and then the investigation continued. Yeah. So it wasn't like they heard about it, and then opened the investigation.

It was the first hands on activity for the investigation. Yeah, so another thing we found out in this article is that a handful of FBI agents in the know about Crossfire Hurricane actually rejected the idea of interviewing key witnesses for fear of leaking it out. So there were a handful of FBI agents. They didn't tell a lot of people about this investigation because it was so, it seemed so out of the ordinary.

Oh, yeah, back then it must have been way worse. So it was so out of the ordinary and weird that they were like, oh, let's not, you know, they wanted to interview some top Trump officials, but they decide they declined not they didn't want to leak out You know, that's the opposite of a political investigation That's definitely a criminal investigation, right? They focused on four people in the early days Page pop a Doppler's Manafort in Flynn and Flynn. And that was because of, quote, their obvious Russian ties.

Exactly. By mid August, 2016, they were solidly investigating. By mid August, so a couple of weeks later. I like to imagine them coming back from the plane in Russia, just all decked out and like Russian tours things. Yeah. It was like little handheld flags and some Russian nesting dolls. Seriously.

The big furry ear flap hats. I've been listening to vodka. And I've noticed that they said the Watergate time was actually a pretty exciting time, even for people that were terrified by it, just like we were excited by the molar investigation. It's like, it's kind of a weird patriotic moment for the country if you choose to sign justice. It's history and justice. Oh, yes.

This is absolutely history. This is why I want you guys to find a way to keep my head alive. Yeah. Really? John Bachelose had said that it takes 25 to 30 years for journalism to become history for you to gain a historical view. Yeah. So I'll be 73.

Wow. 68 to 73. Yeah, yeah. We'll also be smoking hanging out. We'll smoking around you. Yeah, if I make it that long I didn't think I'd make a past 30 when I was a kid so whatever But you know top student But yeah, no I seriously find a way to keep my head alive download my consciousness something

We'll figure it out. We'll get with the science faction podcast and make it happen. I love it. Yes, they're smart fellas So that was a thing that so by mid-August 2016 they're in full investigation mode science, fashion, podcasts, and make it happen. I love it. Yes. They're smart fellas. So that was a thing. So by mid-August 2016, they're in full investigation mode. We found out the FBI used national security letters to obtain phone records and documents in those early days. And national security letters, they're like, they're subpoenas, but they're secret subpoenas. Because when you subpoena somebody, it's public. So, these are private,

kept on the wraps. So they were doing, they were going, private subpoenas. They were going out of their way to not leak this to the public. I believe that their main thing was, Trump's gonna lose. And if we come out with this investigation thing,

it'll make it look like we made him lost. Oh my goodness. We made him lose. I think you gonna lose. And if we come out with this investigation thing, it'll make it look like we made him lose. Oh my goodness. We made him lose. I think you made that. It won't look like he lost by his own merit. And he'll have a legitimate argument that we lost the election for him. It's like the thing told me won't say.

So they kept it all in set. That makes so much sense. I've been trying to wrap my head around why they would not just come out with that information. And if this were all a political witch hunt, they would have released all this fucking information. They had it the whole time. Yes, they were doing it.

Yeah. And so, and they released the Hillary information 11 days before the election. And they did that because they thought she was going to win. Dude, we all got it. I don't blame them, but I wish coming would just say the words.

Because if, because if, and he has said this, if I didn't come out with but I wish coming would just say the words because if because if and he has said this If I didn't come out with that and Hillary won the election people would accuse her of having won falsely So he kind of hinted at it. I bet that's his main reason. Well that not only undermined if yeah It also undermined her entire presidency Yeah, it would delegitimize her presidency and if they did it this way where they had released all this got It got out they were investigating Trump and Hillary one It would have delegitimized her presidency again. Oh, they did make it tough call. They made the right call either way. They did yeah, I think so too It's just the call of there's no right call to some of these in some of these terms. There's just no right call

But think about it Hillary fans if Hillary would have won right and they had come out and told you about the Trump investigation prior to the election. Hillary's victory would be... De-evitamized. De-evitamized, yeah. It could possibly be. It's not that it is delugidimate, but it could be seen as. It could. And that's what we have the appearance of.

And the appearance is 99% of the law. Totally right. On the flip side, Trump is president and... Right. ...entire the illegitimate. This is the better one. This is the better situation because we were already screwed from the moment they hacked us and Obama let it go

and all these things. So this is the best case scenario for like how they could have handled, well not best case, but the, if you're trying to start a podcast, I guess. Yeah, no, honestly, I wonder how we got here because I've been thinking about politics for, for you know, years and I'm just like, you hadn't thought about that, Angoliot?

What, the call me thing? No, the FBI, I've never crossed my mind. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. It makes sense. If they were sure Hillary would win and did not want the Trump investigation to delegitimize her election, we found out that page could be a Russian spy because it appears that he told the Kremlin US agents were warning him about being recruited. So you remember back in 2013, we reported in this a few times, he was part of aspiring. Oh, yeah. And they were trying to recruit him for this and they were like, we basically tell him we

get the information and tell him, go fuck himself. Exactly. That was also in Russian rule at, right? He was. And I think I did it in that voice as well. Yeah, you did. That's why I really got that. Because we were memory.

I don't remember where my car is or what I did last. I remember that. I remember that. Nice. So basically, he was told by the FBI back then, like, bro, they're trying to recruit you. Chill. And he went back to the Kremlin and told them that information. That makes him a Russian spy.

Wow. Or a Russian spy. Wow. Or in Russian assets, do you? Or unless he went back and was like, hey guys, am I a spy? Yeah. Or what? What's going on? Paid for that kind of a thing.

Because if I'm a NITWDs thing, I don't know why he sounds like a guy from Fargo to me. Yeah, yeah. That's crucial conversations, man. It's that hat. OK, then finally, the best part of this article, or maybe the worst, the FBI had a secret government informant that met several times with Paige and Poppidop. Trump and Giuliani latched onto this piece of reporting and claimed that the Obama FBI

embedded a spy in my campaign and called it the biggest political scandal in history. And it's the worst, it's worse than Watergate. He said it's the biggest witch hunt of all time and I have to say I think that probably the actual witch hunt in Salem, Massachusetts was the biggest witch hunt of all time. It's where we got the phrase witch hunt. I got to say I'm with you on that. I think it might have been a little worse to be burned at the state. So I'm just gonna do it really say the thing where we got the phrase from is probably my actually yeah so literally yeah you know you know some for our fallen witches. I bought out a little wine. I love it for the homies. Yeah for the homies. My witch homies. We probably would be called witches back in the day definitely would be

called DUR. I'm gay. I don't know if the black thing matters to them. We're all spoken women. There you go. That's all you had to be. It's all you need to be. That's why it was a witch hunt. Anyway. Sorry, shut up, Trump.

Not you, Trump. I don't know if the black thing matters. Well, that's a whole different episode I guess. Yeah, that kind of, it does throw a wrench into it. Yeah, it was a real fact. There were a whole other hunts that evolved in your people. Yeah, that's true. And I'm sure this is.

I'm sure. No. Yeah. Oh, sorry, just a fun fact. Yeah, let's hear it. It's about the witch hunt. Did you ever learn what may have caused people to start acting crazy?

Oh, yeah. It was like a specific hookworm. Or I thought it was called like air got or something. Is it a neuro parasitic thing? Or it was like growing in the wheat that they were eating. Yeah, well did you know that the dumbing down of the American South is because of hookworm? I didn't know that and let it gasoline.

I didn't know that either. Yeah, no, this is news to me right now. And that is by the way, I know I'm gonna get emails. I'm from the South, so a part of me like once they'd be like, no, A.G., but no, I'm like, oh, it's kind of bad out there. Like the public school, everything is a little more behind. That's what I'm doing. Well, I'm not trying to make it,

I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about it. It's not the people, it's the system. Like you're talking to the stats alone, not, well, well, implications on the people as a whole aside, I'm curious, what was it exactly? Yeah, hookworm? Hookworm. This is a thing that was spreading rampant. Yeah, it'll, it, it, big in, what was it exactly? Yeah, yeah. Hookworm? Hookworm.

Is this a thing that was spreading rampant? Yeah, it'll begin this out, it'll mess your brain up. Just kind of like these neuro parasitic, air gott, or whatever. Right, and as we don't acknowledge these things, it's more problematic. I know it sounds really problematic just saying it, but it's kind of a fact that we know in history

that people in certain communities have been used as experiments, or just like dumb down, or harmed in some way. Yeah, there was Agent Ornivian, not, I ate like health crisis. I ate like pain as a child. So I got a little axe. Unfortunately, that's why I can't remember where my car is. You know, we all have our things. For sure. For sure. Again, I please don't think I'm making like a statement about. No, that's just interesting. That's totally interesting. Yeah. I got, yeah, anyway, moving on. I probably just saying that's totally interesting. Yeah, anyway, moving on.

I probably just offended an entire half of the country. Hey, you know, I didn't make it out. You didn't make it out, you know. Hey, no, you know what, I don't want to edit it out. Well, it's science. I don't know, you know what? I think it's great. Only people that read into it are going to have an issue with it.

All you're saying is that there's a phenomenon that happens in the South that fuxx with people's brains, and that's it. Well, I have it in the Salem witch fucks with people's brains, and that's it. Well, I have it in the Salem witch trials too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, your logic is solid, A.G. I don't know. I appreciate you being overly sensitive.

That's really excellent. Well, I don't like to paint with a broad brush like that. Yeah, but this is cool. Obviously, we're not saying people for the South are stupid. Obviously. Even though I think we've probably have said that before. I think we have to, but it was a joke. Right.

We're comedians. It makes it hard. It does. It's hard. It's tough to find the job. It's tough to find the job. Like actual delivers of facts versus people that fabricate the truth to make a joke all the time.

It's a wound line for us to walk. Yeah, because I mean, there's these things that are considered stereotypes. Right. That jokes are based on, and that's what makes them funny We all kind of have to come to a mental agreement on stuff. That's my whole set right there So we have some we have plenty for California. We could make fun of ourselves all day Yeah, we're sure we love in stereotypes. Oh, yeah To ignore them would be like really weird. It'd be like a weird bit of live. It would make you not

Somebody's a way to a comedy show. Yes. Yes, it would make you a heckler. That's a great point. That is a great point. Anyway, back to this. Trump and Giuliani latched onto this piece of reporting that there was an FBI government informant that met several times with page and pop it up list. And Giuliani and Trump are claiming

that the Obama FBI embedded the spy and called it the biggest political scandal, which, huh hunt watergate. First of all, it's astounding that Trump is willing to tell everyone that he's such a criminal piece of shit that it warranted an FBI plant to speak to people in his campaign. He's basically saying that. He's like, I had FBI, my whole house was crawling with a mbuh. That means you're probably something, okay.

Like I said, if you're a bitch, you have to own it. If you don't be mad that people hate you. Exactly. He 72 he's probably never gonna own it at this point he's that's true oh god but it is important to note that this person who has now been identified as Stefan Halper is not a mole yes nice to mull you meet you nice to meet your mole don't say mole stop I said mole stop he's anant. He doesn't work for the FBI, but was recruited to speak to page in pop-a-dop after the FBI had sufficient evidence of criminal wrongdoing to warrant the use of an informant. That's how the reporting goes. He wasn't embedded in the campaign. This is a lot like when Trump accused Obama of wiretapping him.

When actually what happened was the FBI obtained a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page after he left the campaign. Oh that's your thing. You're making a leap. Yeah, he was like, he was leading us to what was happening. You were. You were. No, we got a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page after you fired him from your campaign because he was a spy. Yeah, it's like a criminal complaining. They got convicted and put in prison. It's like, yeah, no shit. Because that's how the law works. That's how that shit works, bro. Anyway, he's in an all out war against the Department of Justice right now. Trump is and he is right about one thing. This is bigger than Watergate.

A late note to this story, though, on Sunday morning, Trump tweeted, quote, I hear by demand and we'll do so officially tomorrow that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI, DOJ, infiltrated or surveilled the Trump campaign for political purposes, and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama administration. Now, here's the weird thing.

This guy, Halper, is a known CIA operative having formerly worked for Reagan to spy on Carter and also did covert work for Nixon. And I can't help but wonder why the New York Times and Washington Post refused to reveal his name when he could have been easily Googled. They went up to the line basically. They said he's a US citizen, he's a Cambridge professor, he's done work with CIA in the past. Anyone who knows anything knows that that's his name,

but they didn't reveal his name. The intercept is saying that this guy spoke to Papa Doppler's before he mouthed off to Alexander Downer. So this could be a speed bump for the Department of Justice. So I guess put some sad beans on this. Put some beans on it. All right, you guys, guys will be right back.

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and click LaHoya for your MSW live tickets today. You'll be glad you did. Welcome back, it's time for the fantasy indictment league. Yeah. Well guys, we lose a point for not naming Maniford's son-in-law. Yeah, we should do the whole family. But I think we can lose a point. We do, we lose a point. First of all, I have no idea where we're, I hope someone's keeping track out there. We gotta make a chart on our own. I'd first of all I have no idea where I hope someone's keeping track out there

We got to make a chart on our own. I think yeah, I'm busy. So if somebody there right yeah But seriously that we have at least 90 people in three different four different categories It's that block of Russians. It's the really screws with the big rocker Russians I just said bunch of Russians and a bunch of more Russians You guys the buffet of Russian That's totally fine with me. But yeah, we lost the point. We didn't name Maniford Sonanlah. Who knew?

But I think we can comfortably add two stone informants to the cooperation list. That's Sullivan and Cacannis, or Cacannis, whatever. We would also be remiss if we didn't add Cohen's Korean translator Mark Co and his company Demeter Direct. That's right. And I am convinced and I've been saying this for a while that the next tranche of indictments will be out and it will be about the DNC hack and it will involve Stone. So put some beans on it. Oh

I have a question. Yes, man. You're in indictment production. I have some prediction. I got. Yeah, A.G. is're in type in production. I have some prediction. Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. A G's behind everything. It's crazy how one letter makes such a huge difference. You're, I guess, too, actually. That's how he's built production. Anyway, so your prediction about the translator,

is that because of misprision? No, no. That's just, he's gonna cooperate. Okay. And I'm sure they'll be able to find laws that he's broken. It's kind of like, you know, rolling a drug dealer. Okay. His company's got a lot of weird dealings in the past.

They'll find something and they'll say, yeah, we're gonna charge you. Yeah. Or you can cooperate and he'll go hook, operate. That's true. They probably look for specific translators. Yeah. Okay, with like international crimes.

We all know that. And here's the thing. If he if he broke any laws and without if he gave up all of the goods to Mueller Without making a deal. Mueller will charge him. Mueller doesn't I don't think Mueller's the kind of guy that goes in sees that you Committed a bunch of crimes. Try to flip you on him and you flip on your own and not and sees that you committed a bunch of crimes, tries to flip you on them and you flip on your own and not use those again. Yeah. He's not gonna let that go, just like in Comey's book where he's like, I can't not charge Martha Stewart,

even though she's a nice, white, rich lady. That's what makes them them. Yeah, well, yeah, you have to do your job and the Mueller's no different than that. So, anyway, that's what I think. It's gonna be the DNC hack, it'll be stone. Those are gonna be the next whole group. It could involve Kushner or two.

I think the Manafort Superseating indictments are waiting. Okay. I can't believe Kushner's name is still not popped up in any other shape lately. I think he's the big fish. He's one of the big fish. I know. I'm just so impatient.

Yeah, same. Totally. Yeah, we just have to remember. Benghazi was two years, four years for the Iron Contra, four years, three and a half four years for Watergate, like yeah, a year is, it's a baby still. Oh, I want an asses. Fun fact that I don't know the answer to maybe you're doing or chilly stuff. Okay. The number of people that were indicted in Watergate. the number of people that were indicted in Watergate? The 50. All right, good to know.

As long as it's up there, I was just, I was thinking our list is getting long and I'm really hoping that. It could be 29. It can satisfy that number. Right, right. Let's see, people indicted. It was in the 20s, I think, that we're actually indicted and convicted.

Oh, but it's actually total of cooperating witnesses and all that good stuff. I don't know. Then there's the number of people that could have been indicted and then flipped. I guess depending on when they were indicted. Yeah, yeah. 40 government officials indicted or jailed. Hell yeah. Wow. Watergate.info. And if you guys don't listen to slow burn, you should listen to it. Oh yes. And if you're part of slow burn and listening to this right now. Hi, I love you. What up? Are you guys ready for sabotage? Yes. Yes. All right, you guys.

Saturday, the New York Times dropped a huge story. There was a second Trump Tower conspiracy meeting. The first, of course, is the June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. Maniforck, the first, of course, is the June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump Jr. Maniforck Kushner and Nagagalo Russians in hopes to get dirt on Hillary Clinton, right? Oh, if it's what you say, I love it. Right. This new meeting took place in August 2016, right about the time the investigation was getting

opened up at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr. A Republican donor and an emissary for United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia who offered to help Trump win the election using social media campaigns. Oh, Jesus! Eric Prince arranged the meeting with Nader, he's the guy who represented the UAE and SA, that's United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, and an Israeli social media specialist named Joe Zamol, who had already cooked up a multi-million dollar proposal for social media manipulation

To elect Donald Trump After Trump was elected, Nader paid Zamol $2 million the UAE and the Saudi Arabia were interested in nixing the Iran nuclear deal and they wanted a US back blockade against cutter Both of which have happened. Yeah, okay. It's also important to note that Xamal has worked with Darapaska and Demetri Roblovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlovlo He's the guy who bought the Trump mansion, the $50 million Trump mansion in Florida for 95 million and then resold it for 50 million Laundered So so we worked with Darapaska. He knows RoboCop Anyway, go ahead and add Xamol to our indictment league. All right

He could end up as a cooperating witness, but he seems like a target to me, man. The most reveriating thing too is that Trump is turning around to his base and saying, see, look at all these things I've done that are so good. When really, they're all of these quid pro quo shit from his fucking campaign. Because he knows his bases is not the mo... I mean, here's the thing. There's double offense. Yeah, there's the base, I think, that are like his friends, but they're the minority,

and they're the bigger part of the base. They're like, kind of the uneducated, I think that are like his friends, but they're the minority and there's the bigger part of the base They're like kind of the uneducated. I think just like a lot of Democrats too, but like I think it's some are educated Yeah, yeah, but they it's like split it split in a way that I don't think is a Proportional like I think there's 33% yeah, there's definitely more people that don't know how much they're getting fucked at that right exactly That's the thing. It's like are you really not connecting the dots that the pretty random fucking acts? They're probably not obsessed with that. It's never been challenged. They don't care for the news. But if people can believe in a flat earth, they can believe that this is all deep spake. You're right. Deep state conspiracies. And you probably can't tell them otherwise, but some of them I want to believe. Yeah, but think about it. Yeah. People think that it's a conspiracy that we have around earth.

I believe. You have to think about it. People think that it's a conspiracy that we have around earth. Right. And that we're being tricked by the man. I might be a small portion. Now why wouldn't you think that the Republicans are... You're totally right. Like of the 33%?

They're thinking the same thing. They're right. I'd be 5% that are flat earthers and we'll never get them back. But I do believe. It's like, I'm so sorry. No, I mean, I'm comparing. Yeah, yeah, you're right about that. I'm not saying there's no nocklessness.

I'm not saying that there are flat earthers that are Trump supporters of what they probably are. You're saying that it's just ridiculous. A kin to it. It's a kin to believing the most ridiculous thing. It's the anti-acoms razor. Yeah. And for what?

So that your feelings don't get. That's all they care about. Or that you're not wrong. Hopefully they're not the majority though. That's what I'm just hoping. I wanna know how many of them have small winners. Yeah. Anthony Weiner, oh he's not conservative.

I heard it's pretty okay. Anthony Weiner, surprisingly transparent for what a fuckhead he is. That's what I'm saying is that at least the side that I fall on, I feel like they own up. It's not always a good feeling. It's definitely sometimes career-crushing. Sorry about your winners. Yeah, I mean, but I feel like they own up. It's not always a good feeling. It's definitely sometimes career-crushing. Sorry about your winners.

Yeah, I mean, but I think it's not everyone's a winner. Yeah, don't take out your small winner on the rest of the world. True, true. All right, you guys, time for Q&A. So this is becoming my new favorite section of this whole thing. I love this.

Mm-hmm. ["Mil-Pen-D,il-Pen-D, everybody it's mil-Pen-D." Bill B. Day! Bill B. Day! Everybody! Bill B. Day! Cartoon Planet. Yeah. That was like, I remember being a very small child and seeing that. Oh yeah, I was in high school college. Yeah. It was my favorite thing. Yeah. For a Black and Zora act. Black is like, hi everybody! Yeah, he's one of my favorite. I know him carrying the bits of all time. Do you have a VCR? Because I can lend you my... Do you have a VCR? Oh my gosh. I don't. Oh, damn. But I have a VHS. $15. Yeah, totally right. They definitely have VCR. That's what it means.

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There you go, nice. T-Pain. He's got a book out called Tweetheart, American Tweet Heart, or something like that. He's funny. I want to auto tune this whole thing. I know. I know. Shot it.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Maybe one day, one day. At Walligator asked, why is Jordan so cool? Oh my gosh. That's a good question. Wow, you surprised me with that one. Let's guess why Jordan's so cool.

All right, I think Jordan was raised by really nice people, but maybe no, you just raised yourself. Oh my gosh. Thank you. That's yeah. I think I was raised by yes, very cool parents, but also, you know, enough trauma to make you a cool person. They're right around, right in the wrong thing. They're right in my head. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. It's very nice of you to say, well a Gator, you're an ENTJ. That immediately makes you a cool person. Oh nice. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

ENTJ in the house. Ooh, yeah. I'm so old. All right, resistance schnauzers wants to know, by the way, I love schnauzers. What our next book club book is going to be. People seem to be suggesting Madeline Albright's book, Fascism.

Yes. I'm ready to get right down. I would love to do that. I'd be super down. It's really good. Tweeded us. Yeah. At Moorishie wrote with your suggestions. Yeah. Right now I think the Madeline Albright book might be the first in the running but yeah. Tweed at us. Convinced me. Yeah. She's great. Let's see what they want next too. We can just like start that Moorishie wrote and I am gonna need need you right now to go to Apple podcasts and give us a rating. Yes. Oh, they're going to need you to do that. That's very important this week.

I can't tell you why, but it is in police. Please. I get it from a harmony for the please. Yeah. Are you going to say joy? Oh, please, please. Apple podcasts. Not bad.

It could be worse. Right now. So where's the book? You're reading. Five stars though. Oh, yeah. Please. Apple podcasts. Not bad. Could be worse. Right now. Similar to the book you're reading. Five stars though.

Sorry, I'm really broken guys. We can't fix it. The book, I think it's called the Dictators Handbook. Have you heard of that? Yeah, I have another one I was interested in. Oh, I love to. That one's great and just so fucking terrifying. Yeah, it sounds like it could be.

You know what would be fun too. You guys can do spin off podcasts. You know, I put, I love this one too. I was gonna say this was so invested. Yeah, I was, yeah, this is like, yeah, this is a lot of time. I know. I wanna do everything within this podcast.

I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we could, you know, 9,500 more subscribers and we can quit our day job. Please. David Buster does not pay as much as I thought. I'm so sorry. I thought I'd be the CEO. Now they owe us five bucks.

Yeah. Oh, that's right. That's true. Also, what we could do, just an idea, if ever we have like a week in between switching books or something, we could always go over political theory essays that relate to the stuff that's kind of going on. And maybe just like moral. We can do that in many soaps too.

Oh, yeah. If you ever want to that in many soads too. Oh yeah. If you ever want to write in many soads, seriously, you only need like three or four paragraphs. I do my music stuff, like music many soads, right? Maybe like a political music. As long as it's politically involved. Yes. Yeah, people really like their childish gambino.

I thought so too. So between the essays and the music and the book. I mean, yeah, run it by me. Yeah, all right. Awesome. Do it. Whatever many soads I'm down to make. Oh yeah.

Like I said, we're gonna for this week. People are saying, you need a daily podcast. We might end up with one, but you want to be a patron to get the rest of them. It's a dollar, a dollar. Dude, yeah, someone today was like, only a dollar. They were like, yeah, they didn't know. Yeah, it's a great deal.

It's still cheap. Yep, and we only need 9600 more of you. Yeah, working on a dollar store, you get lead paint, not knowledge. Yeah, So true. That should be, that should be our slogan. At Pride 156, Wayne Tracker asked if the Sarlieke was more of a tip off to Trump than an altruistic whistle blow. Oh, good question. Oh, I don't know. What do you feel? I feel it wasn't Ooh, I don't know. What do you feel? I feel it wasn't.

Wasn't it tip off to Trump? No, I think that that kind of thing is what it is. It's not, if it were a tip off to Trump, it wouldn't have been made public. Got it. I don't think it would have been like, can you guys would have carried it over at midnight? And it would also just seem like

it's kind of a weird thing to use frivolously. It has so much substance. Although, I mean, I guess it could be tipping him off. Like, hey, we know about your these payments. Remember those other two SARS that aren't there anymore? Right. Those are going to come out soon too. Yeah, it could be both.

It could be like just a win-win, you know, for Robin otting. And I don't know that he was actually, is an altruistic whistleblower either. I think he's just a leaker. You're right. So cool. Interesting. Um, Catherine Carter. Um, oh, I'm going to mess up this next night, this last name. Catherine Carter, Remrday. Uh, it's our eMM, E R D E. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. R E M M E R D E. Remrday. That's what I say. Nice. Remrd. The male is pretty. Yeah. Sounds, um, sounds like it's spelled for. Yeah. I like it. Uh, it. She says quote standing against firing rumors He is moving forward with his investigation. We must not allow his investigation to be covered up stand with the truth five stars Oh, that was a review. Thank you. Oh, John Abbott says absolutely impressed with the information these women pulled together every week as well As their style of presentation while I hope this investigation soon, I hope you will continue with something new. Five stars.

A few people DMed us this week asking us when we're coming out to the East Coast. Yes. We only need about a thousand more patrons to swing that. Only at that. So share the pod and tell people to support us at Patreon. Honestly, I will say this. The podcast that we're up in like related podcast section on iTunes, they are up to a couple thousand, 10,000 patrons. I don't know if you know this,

like one of our top similar podcasts, Resistance Live, I guess they're popular, so a shout-out wouldn't hurt. They have like 13,000 patrons. I feel like it's probably a lot of time they've put in, but I feel like the people are out there. Spare the word, guys. They want to follow back. Yeah, I think they want it. The people want it. We'll break through one day.

Yeah, yeah. We're patient. They'll be a tipping point. I'm not sure when it is, but it could be the right person starting into the right people. Yeah. How good is it feel that there's a community of people and podcasts and just dedicated intelligent people?

We're an army. The resistance is like hand Twitter. Twitter has become such a weirdly comfortable safety blanket. You start like haters and trolls. I guess it's still. Well, once you can read the bots out, I mean, and a bot is easily recognizable.

They've got a lot of numbers of string and numbers in their name. Oh, yeah. They have less than 100 followers. They don't speak English very well. Right. Yeah. Be best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Be best. For example.

Yeah. No, that's actually a different language. It's not English. That's true. Also, I got a good props to Anne Craig, who only recently got a Twitter in a sense, killing it with all the follow-up. She is. She is.

She picked up on Twitter faster than anyone I've ever seen. That means it was in there for like four years. I think she was asking us for tips too though. So, you know, big ups to all of us. Yeah, we can note from you and. That's fucking teamwork. Okay. Uh, so East Coast, we want to come up.

Maybe we can do a Kickstarter. I don't know. Maybe we'll do a good fun meet. Oh yeah, we've even done that. Just a little quick one for the East Coast. Like a tour. Yeah, like a tour. Yeah, yeah. But we would need, we would need a venue.

So, so somebody, we would need somebody who, who knows, like Gotham or the knitting factory or something. Right, right. And then we need maybe Tamerkin. I was just saying does Tamer have any homey still? He's not. I mean, it's hard to get that level of homey in New York. I'll say this.

There have been people on the West Coast like Washington, New York, who have offered us. East Coast. East Coast. East Coast. East Coast. What kind of accents are we making up to? I don't know. I don't know. You think Washington's on the west coast and I'm saying forced. So Washington DC. Yeah, I figured that's what you mean.

Yeah, so we've had people suggest or offer their place up. I know that like, you know, we're not going to go anywhere. But the idea is that we don't need much, we just need travel really to get there. Yeah. And everything else, I feel like our fans would be really, really chill. yeah well I'm staying at the wall door but whatever you go. I'll let you know how it is at Tim's house. I'll sleep in Central Park on a bench. There you go. Cover all our bases. Oh god. Alrighty. Speaking of Ann, at Andus of Cups ask if we think that Mueller has found and met with Miff Seud. Mmm. Miff Seud has him in a room somewhere.

Oh, that sounds terrible. If he hasn't, hasn't reunited him with this child, you're a dick. Yeah, good point. Good point, bro. Maybe he's got him in a roomy showing pictures of him. Oh, no. Like for torture or for- And he's like telling me what I want to know.

I don't want to see him. You want to tell me what I want to know. I don't want to see him. You want to tell me what I want to know? He got in my face. I don't think Mueller has Miff sued. I don't think so either at this point. Maybe no one except for the Italian secret service apparently. It would be weird that the Italian government has him.

Know where he is and isn't sharing that information. You're right, you're right. A Mexican government. He would have to be indicted overseas by Mueller for him to actually get asylum in Italy, right? Do you think that could happen? I don't think Italy I don't think Italy would refuse an extradition Because they're all I yeah, I mean that would just be weird I can see Russia doing it. Obviously when we indicted the 13 Russians, they're like fuck you Yeah, you know if we indicted somebody in Iran or in Iraqi or or something if we indicted a Kuwaiti

They would extradite to us. If we indicted, you know, we have our allies and we have certain conventions that we go by. I don't understand why the Italians would be hiding them from us. Neither. Natasha might know. That seems awfully, yeah, that's why I want to get around

the phone. The Mipsid mystery will be solved soon enough. The Mipsid mystery. It's on many so. Yeah, don't don't.'s a mystery. Oh, dude. It's on many so. Yeah, dude. But Natasha, come with me. Please.

Yes. At Sam Stanton says, asked why we think the informant was talking to Page and Papadopoulos. That's obvious, right? Just, well, no, I don't know if it's that obvious. That's just what the reporting says. Oh, okay. Yeah, reporting New York Times, reporting Washington Post. That's, and maybe even this informant himself,

which we now know is Stefan. Stefan. How is he having New York? Oh my goodness. So I just wonder, it sounds like Stefan Halper. I think he may have said this. So I don't know. Oh, okay.

When they say why, exactly, right? Because they ask why would he have been talking to them? Oh, if, oh, not if, but why. Oh, sorry, my bad. Why he was talking to Paige and pop it up. Top Russian, like affiliates, right? Like they seem to be. Well, I think it was told by the FBI.

Oh, those are the guys. Or he happens to run in the same circles And just happened to speak with them and then came back and informed right? That's what I think to you. I leave more towards that Yeah I leave more torrent he runs in those circles and maybe even searches those kind of people out And then goes to the FBI and says I've talked to these people you want to give me some it's just a Tore piece of crap. He might sound like sort of a piece of crap.

Just for money though. He does whatever he can for us. He's like an arms dealer or something. It's bad for us. Yeah. But I, you know, I am not going to not report something because it's not good news for us. And what if he's the only source? Right? Like it seems like well, we don't want to be desperate. We also just want to report. Like he said, what I just just is our goal. Yeah. I am not beyond inditing Democrats. I am not, not myself, but if Mueller finds indictments for Democrats,

I'm not going to throw up a big stink. I'm going to take what he says, because I believe in what he's doing. And if this guy is an asshole, he's an asshole, and I'm not going to not tell you about it. And that's really important. Yeah, I think making that discussion. Again, I think that it's still, I mean, these are different reports from different people and everything Obviously everything we come out with it. It doesn't have evidence behind it as conjecture But I'm not gonna not report that to you. I appreciate that, Adrian. Yeah, and Exactly. It's like it undermines the whole reason why we started this podcast We're not a we're not a partisan podcast while we seem like we are sometimes maybe

We're not a partisan podcast while we seem like we are sometimes maybe We can be biased in a gender other than wanting to get to the bottom of this investigation Right, well, I've learned a lot going through my PhD How to recognize my own bias how to make sure I don't let it creep in to affect Things that I report as fact versus things I report as conjecture. Yes. It's yeah, ha ha It's a conjecture, but I'm right I am usually right, but that again I I want to separate those things. I want to make sure that you know that this guy is shady. Yes, I don't want to

I could have easily just left it out. Yeah, but you choose not to because it's important to you to be Tell the full story No matter what you're doing. Everyone is all the reporting whether or or not they're facts or not yet, we don't know. But I wanted to give you that report. So thank you. And you don't want people that are against us to use it against us. Yeah, exactly. Use something against us.

And then we haven't even addressed it. And it's like why haven't you addressed it? Yeah, I'll see that. Although I will say that CYA is what we call that, covering your ass. Yeah. Covering my ass is secondary to reporting what I hear. Nice. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, covering my ass is secondary to reporting what I hear. Nice. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. I appreciate covering my ass. Facts first and then. But it's not about me. It's about what I tell you. I feel now that we have gotten to this point where so big, where the first podcast about the first and only podcast about just the Miller investigation, all the, I mean, we have some more now that are actually

really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. More time. It's very cool. But I want to make sure that I'm not just giving you one side of the story. Sure. Because biases, I think we all have them. Even Komi mentions that bias makes you who you are. You can't even like really escape it.

No, you can't. I wasn't like, when I read that, I was like, oh, should I tell everybody? And then I was like, duh. You checked your body. I told everybody. You didn't deny it. You just checked it. It's one thing to say I don't have one.

I recognized it. And I said, I have to do what I can to overcome these guys. Yes, and I think it's confidence in truth prevailing. And it's like, yes, of course, maybe people want to view this investigation as just strictly good versus evil, but it is much more fluid than that. And there's always gonna be elements that's in great.

Yeah, they're on the spectrum. Yeah, and you have to address them head on. It's like when you're, I see this podcast sometimes is like in time throughout history, a nice solid argument for the legitimacy of the Mueller investigation. Totally. So if we don't include stuff like that, then we're doing the interview. That's our purpose.

Our purpose to, yeah, to like the place that we have in reporting this stuff. You know, in fact, we should add a segment called the Donald's Advocate and just every week say something nice about Donald's. Yeah, I don't think. Fuck that. At RJ, Alias asked if Mueller restricted the SARS or if Trump and Mnuchin removed them. So we talked about this a little bit earlier, those SARS that were supposed to be in the SinFan database.

Mnuchin's in charge of that because he's in charge of the Treasury. Do we think Trump and Mnuchin pulled those SARS out or do we think Mueller and the FBI and the DOJ restricted them? I personally think Mueller restricted those SARS. And that's why they have gone walkies, if you will. I don't see any foul play here. I'm not sure why they left the one

unless the information in the other two could have given up information to Trump's campaign that would help them. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I agree with you. I feel like if it was the other one, we would have seen other corresponding news stories that may be led to the covering up of that or something, you know. At Gorbassaya 13 asked if the Cohen whistleblower is doing it for Mueller or will it let

Trump hide or destroy evidence of his involvement in Cohen's pay to play shell? I don't know. What do you guys think? Did you repeat the question for me? I was just going to say. Is the Cohen whistleblower doing it for Mueller or will it let Trump hide or destroy evidence of his involvement in Cohen's pay to play shell?

Oh, got it. Okay. I mean, it might be for, I don't, I was just gonna say it could be, no, you go ahead. I don't even know what, how I feel. The Cohen whistleblower is like Giuliani going in that interview and Cohen's whistleblower is the, the, the, the way I take that is the law enforcement guy who released the star, right? Oh, oh, oh.

Is he doing it for Mueller? Or will it let Trump hide or... I thought it was for General Trump. Tripleing of the going. Yes, like which whistleblower. But now that you mention that, okay. So it sounds like you release it to get Mueller to pay attention or did he release it to give Trump information?

It's like the last question we got, right? Kind of like a... Pretty much. What was his purpose for his intentions? And I think we agreed that it was for Mueller it was for the sake of the investigation and less about Trump you know and whatever he would take away from I'm not sure I'm not sure why didn't I think we just covered this didn't we did we said Avonario in this case was leaking the SARS so that he could do it for justice and not for well the one star yeah exactly looking the star to not tip off Trump

but the guy who leaked the star to not tip off Trump, but the guy who leaked the star from the date of birth. That guy, I think the same reason. I don't know too much about him though. So I think it would just take more research to know what his intentions could have been. But generally speaking, I feel like they would do it for the case.

Because I mean, it's just such a weird thing to be petty about. Yeah, also the bummer to it is too, is you can confirm that it was to tip off Molar, you know like it was or you can confirm that it was for muller But you can't really confirm that it was to tip off Trump, right? That's a very tricky. Yeah, cuz it was at Pride 156 He said is the Sarleague a tip off to Trump more than an altruistic whistleblower Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we covered this altruistic is the keyword there Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Question. It did throw me off for a minute. Right. Which make it. Yes.

And I whenever I think about avanating himself, I'm like, altruistic. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I love that people are thinking the same things too. They're all like, I wonder what the intentions are. Yeah. And I feel like there's a really weird little pool of information that's getting leaked in all these various ways. And some of it, it's like, is it getting leaked because the Trump campaigns trying to slowly leak it to people? Is it getting leaked to tip them off? Is it getting like leaked because we may never find out with each thing like you said,

it's so hard to prove. Yep, absolutely. We don't know where it's going. At Cherry Byel 26 says, quote, I know the Senate investigation tried not to step on Mueller's investigation. But would they freely share information? Are there legal procedures to obtain the testimony if Donald Trump Jr. hadn't been made public to add to Mueller's evidence pile without having to interview Donald Trump Jr. himself? We're just talking about that kind of. Yeah, that's funny.

Go ahead. Well, I mean, yeah, just when I was asking you that what the process looks like exactly, um, more or less, I think is what that question relates to. Um, yeah, just if it's legally obtained and it's, uh, at that point, can a person in the public request to see it? I don't know if it's so much as them requesting to see it or if it would just hit the new cycle, I think at that point, it would just hit the new cycle. Yeah. And it would become public information at that point. Yeah. I, again, yeah, earlier in the episode, we're saying, I think at that point, it would just hit the new cycle. Yeah. And it would become public information at that point. Yeah. Again, yeah, earlier in the episode, we're saying, I think everything that goes to Congress is just they're saying it's just going to be public. If Congress has it, if Congress has a testimony, whether they're not, they've released it to

the public, I think Mueller has it. That's just my view. I could be completely wrong if you were an insider and no better, please tweet at. Oh yeah. At Mueller she wrote so that I can figure that out. At trailblazer girl asked, quote, what the hell is this email in reference to an email released in the massive document dump from the Senate judiciary? The email is to go. Oh yes. July 23rd from the mooch. Remember?

Remember? Scotamooie? Yeah. It says, quote, I don't officially start until the 15th, but I want to drop you a line and say, if you ever need to pick my brain, my door is always open. Obviously, there is still pressure on all sides, but if we remain consistent and united, I don't envisage any issues we can't ride out.

Oh, hilarious. God, damn, they're dumb. Well, mooch came in, had a job for 11 days. I think, I think, Wait, wait, he was 15 days away and then only lasted 11 days. Oh, yeah. So he said, and he made a goldstone saying,

hang tight, my friend. This could have been in response to goldstone saying, what the fuck, I've been interviewed a million times. Yeah. Although I think that that was earlier, I think that was the year before. But yeah, I think it was just the general, everybody hang tight, you know, stay close, yeah, huddled together. Also, if you set the precedent like that before you're officially in the office and are supposed

to be serving in that rollercoaster event, it's like, yeah, then I guess it's better to do it before you're sworn in or whatever. Not sworn in. It's better, but yeah, still awful pieces. Yeah. So obviously. I, the mooch, will do some shit. The end.

Yeah. I put his hand on a copy of the VHS of the Godfather. I like to believe that they think it would look worse if they sent that email when he was actually in the acting capacity. Right. So that role versus now, whenever we can still see it. At Clint Jenkins 85 asked us if we can make time slowdown.

Probably not. The best I can do is go back in time 13 seconds. So how does he know about the Omega 13 device? One of our listeners is right. Galaxy Quest is one of the most underrated movies about it. No. By Grapp Thar's hammer. What a savings. At Hoki Horn, asked our thoughts given judge Ellis, given that judge Ellis asked and believes that Maniford indictments are a hammer to get him to flip on Trump. So does Ellis believe a sitting potas can be indicted?

Yeah, I think he believes that. Interesting. I think any judge worth a salt is gonna, Ellis seems like he's into due process and he's very much very tough on the government side. He wants to make sure that things are brought for the right reasons. I don't think that he thinks anyone's about the law.

Honestly. I like how she's like, I'd like your non-lawyer inform, you know, thoughts on this. Like, you probably have a better insight than we do. Well, I mean, it's Kimberly. You know, I was going to say, of course, she knows her stuff better than we would, but I bet just like, people appreciate our perspective of non-political figures doing this podcast. It can be equally, you know, beneficial. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say it is crazy to like, what you would intuitively think is the right thing to happen versus what can technically happen due to just the law, just the language of the law. It's the curious one of interest. It's like, how does

it affect your day to day? How do you feel about this in your life, not just your career, like you're living? It's, yeah, it's a big deal. But his accusation, the judge's accusation, that the only reason that they're trying Manifort is to get him to flip on Trump, it's interesting that you make the connection of whether or not he believes that he can be aided. I mean, I think that, I don't know,

I feel like he's a straightforward guy. And he takes the law as a law as it comes. That's how it sounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Moller is a little different. He's similar, but he sounds like he won't. Yeah. And diet. I don't know. Oh, this is Alex we're talking about, right? Yeah. So we have a whole many so coming up on whether or not Moller's going to indict Trump. Well, I'll just wait for that. Yeah. It's up in the air still. Yes, we have been saying, and I have been saying, and I have put beans on. All over the earth.

The fact that I think that Mueller will follow that DOJ policy that says you cannot indict a sitting president. However, the guy who wrote the policy came out with a new piece of information this week, and we're going to do a mini-show on it. Well, very nice. It's's gonna be a good one. But yeah, Manafort's a criminal. That's the free one, so everyone can hear it. You don't have to be a patron to get it.

Yes, Manafort is a fucking criminal. Yeah, you're a fucking criminal and regardless should be tried and indicted for sure. And died and tried, I should say. And finally, at Crazy Fat Farm, seven-acre books asked, quote, what wine pairs best with White House scandal? Ooh. What are we doing today? Well, the answer is, any wine, anything,

any wine, ripple, whatever Mad Dog 2020, I know it's not wine, any wine. I would go with Boone's Farm, if I may, because I agree, anything will do, but I always think Olivia Pope scandal like she always drinks red wine While she eats popcorn and she worked for the White House and that was her thing It was interesting red wine with popcorn. I wouldn't pair those two I would pair White House scandal with literally anything that has alcohol in it. Yes, really. I love it

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