Jack - DOJ Grasping At Straws (feat. Greg Olear)

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

This week on Mueller, She Wrote, we have an interview with Greg Olear, author of Dirty Rubles. We also have a hot note from Jordan Coburn with updates on the saga of the NRA's recent troubles. Want fun bonus content during quarantine? Join us at patreon.com/muellershewrote.

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It's our sister podcast. I'll be speaking to Lincoln's Bible about the counterintelligence aspect of the Trump-Russia saga. So you don't want to miss that. We do have a lot of news to get to, but first, let's get through some corrections. It's time to stay. It's time for me to say I'm sorry. Oh, I made a mistake. Okay, first correction is from Alexis. You guys are great, Jordan is so funny. A.G. you're keeping me informed and sane and you're funny too.

Moreover, reminder that a correction, A.G. included the news regarding the National Institute of Health recommending against a combo of hydroxychloroquine and azethromycin. In the good news block, I just wanted to point out this isn't really good news for patients who have been given these drugs. My best friend's dad is in the hospital with COVID and was on the combo of drugs until a couple of days ago. These are scary times, doctors are figuring stuff out as they go. This uncertainty is truly terrifying when it's your loved one in the hospital. Yes, absolutely 100%. I think, yeah, that shouldn't be touted as good news. I think that shouldn't be touted as good news. I think that's just where the story ended up. Anyway, she says, so you guys live in Boston.

It was such a fun night. Thank you. Yes, it was. And we have Greg Olyar, who was with us live in Boston on the show today. So nice coincidence. From Liz, seriously, A.G., how are you so smart? I can't even deal just a pronunciation note of War of Dire, which is Voidier, as in Roger Stone's attorneys can't even deal just a pronunciation note of war dire which is voidier as in Roger Stone's attorneys can't use their own fucking their own

fuck up during voidier to secure a new trial for their client. I love that you guys take corrections so seriously and are so committed to getting things right. It's a big reason why I trust you as a new source. Thank you. I think it's funny that you opened up with how am'm so smart and I pronounced Wadir improperly, but thank you. Wadir got it. From Sage. I love your shows. You're totally freaking awesome. Just a small note. You keep referring to the Small Business Association and the contacts where I'm fairly sure you mean the agency administering the PPP and other parts of the small business elements of the COVID response. I believe you mean the Small Business Administration. Yes, not the Association. The National Small Business Association is a non-governmental trade group and they're lobbyists. Thank you. Thank you. I remember to make sure that

I get that correct. She says, really, from sage, thank your shows are boss. Thank you. You're aces. From AJ, I love the show. I've been listening for the last year and a half. I give you a correction or at least a deeper understanding of Brett Gerrors situation from Texas A&M as a local. He was indeed pushed out But it was more to do with one Texas A&M official who doesn't like to be overshadowed than his own Performance he is among a bunch of great people who were pushed out by that person his predecessor who was the first female president of the American Medical Association It was a great loss for Texas A&M. He knows his stuff, take comfort in his involvement, and keep up the laughs.

Good. Thank you. Good to know. From Cole, I listen to you every day on my run in Dublin, Ireland. It takes my mind off how much I hate running. Jordan mentioned UK Health Minister today, Matt Hancock, figured you'd like to know. He's actually known locally as Hat Mancock. I know you guys like to be accurate and are fond of a gig.

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And with that, let's hit the headlines with just the facts. All right, first up from Politico. which we'll get it right eventually. And with that, let's hit the headlines with just the facts. All right, first up from Politico. Schiff and Nadler are now seeking an investigation into Bill Barr for his comments on Trump's firing of the intelligence community inspector general Michael Atkinson. As we all know, on April 9th, Barr told Fox News and Laura Ingram from the Anger Amangle, which is what I call the Ingram Angle, that Atkinson deserved to be fired. Barr said he deserved to be fired because he violated Justice Department protocols.

But that falsely impunes what Atkinson did. And according to Schiff and Nadler, Barr making those comments violates the Department of Justice Code Professional Conduct. In other words, he lacked candor. Ha-ha. Sound familiar? Barr lacked candor. As you know. Sound familiar? Bar lacked candor. As you know, Adkinson is the guy who told Congress about the Ukraine whistleblower complaint.

Bar tried to write up a new rule really fast using the Office of Legal Counsel saying Adkinson wasn't supposed to do that, but the law is pretty clear. And for Bar to tell the public that Adkinson broke the rules is a lie, and conduct on becoming an attorney general or an executive branch employee for that matter. So he lacked candor. And the Sissy, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has released volume four of its five-part series on the Trump-Russian investigation, and this comes just a day after Trump called the FBI Human Scum at a press briefing for coronavirus and had Bill

Barr release some cherry-picked footnotes from the Inspector General Report on Carter Page's FISA warrant. Oh, convenient. This Republican led review from the Senate Intelligence Committee of the Russia Investigation undercuts Trump's claims that Obama-era officials sought to undermine him while investigating the attack on our 2016 election. The three-year review by the Senate Intelligence Committee found that the intelligence community assessment that pinned blame on Russia, that thing that came out

in January of 2017, that Obama ordered, and it outlined its goals, that assessment outlined its goals to undercut American democracy. The Senate Intelligence Committee found that that report was fundamentally sound and untainted by politics or biased or anything The ICA which is what we call the intelligence community assessment reflects strong trade craft. That's what the Senate Intelligence report says quote

Sound analytical reasoning and proper justification of Disagreement in the one analytical line where it occurred and that's according to birth Senator Burr He said the committee found no reason to dispute the intelligence community's conclusions. And it's important, this is important, because I really know, BIRR has tasked Durham with investigating aspects of the ICA into Trump-Russia. He was specifically going after Brennan and Rogers, saying that because the CIA disagreed with the FBI and the NSA on the level of confidence that Russia interfered to help Trump, that the whole thing is just shot to shit. I think the NSA and the FBI had a high level of confidence, and the CIA had more of a moderate

level. I think that was where the disagreement was, and there was one analyst or a group of analysts that came to those conclusions. And Senator Burr said that there was strong tradecraft, sound analytical reasoning and proper justification of the disagreement in the one analytical line where it occurred, and that's this one particular line. Yeah, so this is, you know, the Senate Intel report looked very closely at that analysis,

and that disagreement, and again, found it was solid. Russia totally helped Trump, whether you're moderately sure or highly confident, there was no political bias in that analysis. No wiretap of the Trump campaign, nothing shady about the investigation. This is going to make it very difficult, as if it weren't already, for barred of steered Durham and any kind of conclusion otherwise, just like the McCabe case or just like the Horowitz IG reports on Comey and McCabe and the Page FISA, they've got nothing.

They're delaying because they're waiting for something, anything, to fall into their lap that they can use. But the FBI did such a good job in this case. They're actually having a hard time finding anything wrong outside of the handful of errors that occurred in the Carter Page FISA application, which Rod Rosenstein approved, and it was still concluded by the Inspector General that that wouldn't have changed the outcome had those errors not been made. Their grasping at straws is plainly obvious to anyone that could rub two brain cells together, but if this administration doesn't like the findings,

they don't release it. Ask yourself where the New York FBI Field Office Inspector General report is. Where's that thing? It's been due for over a year. So chapter five of the Senate's review, the next, the fourth coming, chapter five will include the counterintelligence aspects. It should be released before the election. It's expected to be about a thousand pages. And it's in the editing phase at the moment. I'll speak a bit about what to expect in that report later with Greg Oliar. And some more headlines. The full unredicted Mueller report is on Reggie Walton's

desk. And he has said, he had said last month, he'd begin reviewing it behind closed doors on 420. We hadn't heard anything until April 22nd when he issued a minute order that the party shall appear for a status conference on June 18, 2020 at noon, Eastern time, which sells serve as the target date for the resolution of the party's summary judgment motions. In the event that the court is unable to resolve the motions by this date, he says the parties will be advised in advance that the status conference will be continued to a later date. So June 18 is the target date. And in other news from Washington Post, Flynn's defense lawyers claim, without evidence or specifics,

that a review of materials from the Department of Justice include stunning evidence of FBI misconduct. The alleged evidence remains under seal, but Sidney Powell claims the FBI set Flynn up and he's been framed. Now, Flynn is guilty of lying to the FBI about his calls with Kislyak. He wasn't charged with the content of the conversations of those calls with the Russian ambassador, just that he lied to the FBI about even having them. We read the 302s.

He lied to the agents. And during his first sentencing hearing on December 2018, Sullivan asked over and over the judge if he knows what it meant to plead guilty. And if you know what you're saying, and if you lied to the FBI and Flynn said, yes, over and over and over the judge if he knows what it meant to plead guilty and if you know what you're saying and if you lied to the FBI and Flynn said yes over and over and over again. The judge then advised him to go forth and cooperate more and sinuating you don't want me to sentence you today, motherfucker, you need to go help out in other cases. And his lawyer said he was, and he was.

He was helping out in the case against his business partner, Bijan Rafiki, known as Bijan Kian. helping out in the case against his business partner, Bijan Rafikian, known as Bijan Kean. He and Flynn lobbied Turkey and failed to register as foreign agents, and Flynn was seemingly given a deal on that crime in exchange for his testimony against Keon. But Flynn went from cooperating witness to unindicted co-conspirator as soon as he fired his old lawyers and hired the Mueller conspiracy theorist

in Fox News tool, Sidney Powell. Well now Sidney Powell is claiming the FBI framed Flynn and suppressed that evidence from the inception of the prosecution knowing there was no crime. She made this accusation before, but this is the first time she's done it since bar, ordered the US attorney from Eastern Missouri named Jeffrey Jensen to review the Flynn case and assist federal prosecutors in D.C. The agency, that's the agency handling Flynn's case and Stone's case. In separate filings Friday, the U.S. Attorney's Office in DC disclosed to the court that it has turned over to Flynn, an unspecified number of documents obtained and analyzed by Jeffrey Jensen's office in the past two months,

in an ongoing review, adding additional documents may be forthcoming. That review, ordered by Barr, included that analysis of reports and communications and notes by agents and associated FBI personnel. That notice was filed by Tim Shea, that's Barr's lapdog, who he installed in the DC U.S. Attorney's Office. The filing also said prosecutors had turned over more than 600 pages of exhibits and declarations from Covington and Burling. That's Flynn's OG lawyers.

The ones who had him plead guilty and Sullivan gave prosecutors until the 8th of May to review the declarations, determine whether to interview Covington lawyers and to decide how to respond to Flynn's allegation. As we know in January, Flynn filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea, then bar tapped Tim Shade to take over the DC-US Attorney's office from Jesse Liu, who was unceremoniously fired. And he dispatched Jensen to review Flynn's case and prosecutors backed off their max sentencing recommendation and said probation was appropriate because Flynn was an army general. Not sure if they realized Judge Sullivan doesn't play well with that excuse as noted in his

handling of the general Patreas case. And separately in February, they did the same thing with stone sentencing recommendation, but the Department of Justice actually defended the original sentencing guidelines or recommendations, excuse me, in court, and stone ultimately ended up with 40 months. And finally, the Justice Department has announced it will file a petition for a writ of Sershiarari in the writ of search in the Judiciary Committee's efforts to obtain the Mueller Grand Jury Materials.

This is our Jaworski report, our modern Dijaworski report. The DC Circuit Court ruled previously, the DOG had to hand over all the grand jury materials by May 1st to the House Judiciary Committee. The DOJ could have filed to have the case rehered unbunk but has decided to go straight to the House Judiciary Committee. The DOJ could have filed to have the case reherred unbunk, but has decided to go straight to the Supreme Court.

They've asked for a stay from the DC Circuit Court, probably hoping the panel that they have, which consists of a Trump, one Trump appointee named Rao, who will likely vote his way, and a swing vote named Griffith, who's up in the air. So they've asked either for a long stay from the DC Circuit Court, or a short stay from them, so they have time to apply for a longer stay from the Supreme Court.

The DC circuit court could deny the stay, and that would mean the materials would have to be handed over by May 1st. But for some reason, the courts are really like granting stays for this asshole, so that's where my beans are. They'll grant him the interim stay. I think they'll give them a short term stay to file for a longer stay with the Supreme Court, and I'll keep you posted on whether or not I'm right. And now we have some NRA news from Jordan Coburn with Hot Notes. Hot Notes. All right, hello, welcome to Jordan's Hot Note for more She Wrote from Jordan's Kitchen. hot note for Moor Shiroot from Jordan's kitchen. I have one that's pretty satisfying today. It's a bit shot in Freud A.E. which is always nice so we can worth that into the main event.

It's about the NRA. NRA's been having huge issues with lawsuits over the last year, as we know. We also know that these lawsuits and other S-holary has resulted in the NRA losing a whole bunch of money, but we have an official number today, as of related to how much they've lost over their legal troubles. And the numbers are pretty big. It's $100 million. They have lost $100 million in legal battles. This is according to a recording of a to a recording. It's fun to say

a recording of an NRA board meeting that was obtained by NPR so that's that's a pretty cool source someone Literally got the actual recording to NPR and they got to kind of get a little inside scoop on how this news was delivered and What the response to it was so it it's pretty, it's pretty, pretty cool. In January 2020, the recording was made, NRISO, Wayne Lupier. He basically just lit up New York and Washington, DC attorneys general for investigating them. He said that it was an example of the power of weaponized government. And he said, I've never seen anything like that in the United States of America to tell you the truth. I mean, that is Cuba. That is communist China. That is Venezuela. It's Russia. It's every other

country we look at. And we say, thank God we don't live there." That Pierre said. Is he talking about just getting investigated in general? Is he advocating it would be better to have no court system? What's so ever? Because it seems to me that they have zero problems counter-suming people. So obviously they are fans of the litigious nature of this country when it benefits them. So I love hearing him go

on this Glenn Becky and Diet tribe of communism. Yes, it's the communists fault that you're being held accountable for lying to people about where and how money is being spent and defrauding organizations and all of the sketchy things that you've done that's catching up to you all comically, finally, kind of to a degree that you deserve. He told, I do not like the NRA, clearly. They just fucking, they're the worst ever. It sucks so bad that there's only one organization that represents this very large block of people in America that, you know, want to uphold and maintain the Second Amendment.

It's in the Constitution, if you're for the Second Amendment, I obviously cannot hate on you for that. It's in inner fucking constitution. So I believe that there's, you know, a real need for people to have representation for what they believe in. And it just really sucks that they don't have any options other than the NRA. I personally am not a fan of guns. We had like a nice, yeah, I was gonna self-promote my other podcast, but I don't need to do that here. That doesn't, that doesn't need to happen. My point is I've talked to people that that feel, you know, very strongly one way and the other and I happen to feel very strongly in the one way.

But I still believe that people should be able to advocate for wanting that right, that is afforded to them in the Constitution. And it sucks that the NRA is the only option. If there was another option, I'm so curious to know how many people would defer their funds or their support from the NRA to another organization. Maybe they wouldn't because it would be a thing

of them needing this group to have enough lobbying power for them to think that their dues are actually going to do anything. But I really hope for people say who believe in guns. They can believe in them as if they're like an imaginary friend or something. They kind of are in one way. But anyway, it would just be nice if you all had other options for the people that are for guns. So when L'Appierre, he told the NRA's Board of Directors in the meeting that the organization has had to make $80 million in cuts to stay afloat. $80 million, that's a decent chunk of change. Since last year, since those investigations from New York and

DC attorneys general started into the NRA's finances. Eight board members have resigned over the last year and the NRA has also been stuck in that legal battle with their longtime public relations firm that we've covered and that's ongoing. Lop here said that the scandals have consumed his organization since 2018 and that it's cost-a-group dearly. He said, quote, the cost that we bore was probably about a hundred million dollar hit in last revenue and real cost to this association in 2018 and 2019. I mean, that's huge.

It is huge and it's deserved. It's not huge enough, really. There's even people, I mean, people are resigning from the board left and right. Like, we just heard, but, you know, the reason why they're resigning is not because they have any sort of lack of faith and like the cause of the group. They have specific lack of faith in the leadership

and where it's going. So the fact that Lop here went up there and was just talking about how the NRA has been this huge victim and wasn't acknowledging any of the role he's played in it, you know, via his lavish spending, for example, in general financial sketchiness, was upsetting to some of the role he's played in it, you know, via his lavish spending, for example, in general financial sketchiness was upsetting to some of the people that were even in that room. That room isn't just completely filled with, yes, men, you know, it's people that want to still have a stake in an organization that they believe is operating how they think it should be

operating, which is transparent, even though this is all relative, obviously, because the whole premise of so much of what that organization does is not transparent, but it's okay to be not transparent with the other people, you know, that are being affected by their non-transparency. But once you start affecting the board members themselves with a non-transparency. But once you start affecting the board members

themselves with a non-transparency, that's when she gets fucked up. There's a guy named Ron Carter, who's one of those people. He's the vice president of Save the Second. And that's an organization that, you know, is just a bunch of NRA members, basically, who are urging financial reform

and accountability within the NRA, he said of the meeting and what Wayne Law Pierre was saying. He said the repeated statement from Law Pierre about the $100 million cost of the NRA should have come within apology for having manifested the situation Carter told NPR. The lack of accountability is troubling for many members. So there's board members, members, supporters that are not having the way that we

love here is handling all this. And all this hot note was to say, yay, the witch is dying slowly. It is bleeding out financially. And I hope it continues and there can one day be a time when Lane LaPierre does not run that organization. And really, I mean, I'd be cool if someone that was just more morally consistent in general could run that there would be be so there's so many people

I have so many people in my family for example that are like I will actually that's a lie most of them are pretty into the NRA I think one of well yeah I'm gonna backtrack here I know that it's conceivable that people exist that are not fans of the NRA, but our fans of guns. And hopefully there could be a more responsible organization in the future that pops up. But in the meantime, NRA seems to be all there is and they're not killing it. So yeah, thank you everybody. That has been my hot note. And have a great Monday.

Thank you for listening and be well and stay safe. Love you guys. Bye. Hey everybody. Welcome back joining me today is author of the book Dirty Rubles and introduction to Trump Russia. Please welcome Greg Oliar. Greg thanks for speaking with me today. Thanks for having me back. Yeah, of course. How are you? How are you holding up? How's everything going in your neck or the woods? I mean, you know, it's not the greatest thing, but under the circumstances, I think it's fine. I mean, we're really, we've been fortunate and I mean, you know, it's not the greatest thing, but under the circumstances, I think it's fine. I mean, we're really, we've been fortunate, and I think, you know, I feel gratitude most of the time that my situation is okay, and my family is okay, and, you know, I'm able to get food that I need, and that I stocked up on toilet paper in advance.

So, yeah, feeling good. Good. I'm glad to hear it. I think the last time we saw each other was when we did the show together. Where were we Boston? Yeah, we were in Boston, there was a crowd of people. I remember when you could have crowds of people, that was fun.

Yeah, we had a few hundred people in a building. Look at us. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Well, I'm glad to speak to you again. And the reason I wanted to is because you've been doing a lot of writing recently. And specifically about a topic that I've been asking about, and I know you've been asking

about for a while, what it seems like forever now. Myself and others, such as Rachel Maddo, have been asking counterintelligence experts like Andy McCabe and Frank Fagluzzi, just exactly what happens when and if they find out a president of the United States, for example, is compromised by a bad foreign actor or government, meaning who do they tell, right? Because the president is the guy, but if he's the problem, what do you do? And you've recently put together a piece, positing that it's just time to come forward to the public. And I was wondering if you could

talk a little bit about what you've concluded and how that process went for you. Yeah, well, first it was, it was a series of three pieces written with Lincoln's Bible, who was an expert researcher on all things mob and the IC. And we wrote this on the sub-stack, I have a sub-stack page called prevail. So there's three pieces that are there. The first one is called Tinker Tailor, mobster Trump. And it goes into Trump's background as a mob asset, basically. His father, Fred, was in mob asset. He was one of the first fronts for the mafia. Fred was about the same age as Meyer Lansky. Meyer Lansky invented money laundering.

You know, criminal money laundering. So he was really gotten early on the ground floor as being a front for the illicit activities because in order to longer money you need people that are quote unquote legit businessmen who will operate as fronts for you and Fred did that and Trump was born into it. So he doesn't really know any other way. And there doesn't seem to be any argument that Trump was mobbed up. I mean, he was doing real estate deals and then happened in the 70s and 80s and in order to really do that, you know, a lot of it. You sort of have to at least touch that world.

But he, you know, he had connections. He used this kind of that. He was a confidential informant for the FBI and for law enforcement. So if something would happen the FBI and for law enforcement. So if something would happen with one of the mobsters he was dealing with, he might have gotten into some trouble and was being investigated, all of the sudden, the mobster would get arrested and the investigation into Trump would go away. So the speculation is that he's a confidential informant

for the FBI and has been for a long time. And I don't think this is a terribly controversial position, even. There's enough people who have sort of come forward and said, yeah, he did this, he did that, what the exact details are. Obviously, we don't know, because the only way a confidential informant is going to be outed is if he or she, he, in this case, you know, out-sensile, like Felix Sator did, for example, or if someone basically breaks the law and, and, uh, docks his him, which people in the FBI are not going to do, it's illegal and it also erodes the trust

in the institution that is necessary for future confidential informants to go to the FBI if they think that they're not going to be protected but they're not going to stop going. So it's complicated, so that's the first piece. And sort of like the fact that I mean, you know, people are always saying, you know, well, if Trump's been such a criminal this whole time, how come he's never been arrested or charged or gone to jail? And so that's what that's what the thought is behind that is because he was informing the FBI. And we should we should make sure to tell everyone that just because you are a confidential informant doesn't make you a good guy. Oh, I think of the line in reservoir dogs.

You remember reservoir dogs where he's sitting in the thing thing the Timmeroff character and he's like, oh, yeah, the longshoreman who's given them the job Yeah, he's a good guy. He's a good guy. He did this and the cop him's training him said he's not a good guy He's a scumbag and he ratted out his friends until ever forget that and that's it. I mean Trump is a rat and and a mole Really, you know, he's a rodent of some form. And I think your point is, well, take, and he's not a good person at all. He's disloyal, which is ironic because he demands loyalty of everyone, but he's can self-disloyal.

But it also, yes, it explains why he never went to jail. And, you know, Trump didn't shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue. Like, these money crimes are in the grand scheme of things. They're hard to explain. They're hard to, they take a lot of energy and resources to prove. So, you know, the faking is, hey, this guy's going to give us this. We'll let his little thing go away. The problem is, when you keep doing that, it empowers him to keep doing it and to get more and more

brazen. We're seeing it now because of the impeachment thing. We didn't get rid of him, the impeachment. Now he's doing the same stuff that he did to Ukraine more publicly. The same tactics, the same thing. He's just never learned. He's never had any consequences for his actions, which is a problem. So, but going back to the timeline, this happened during the 70s and 80s with the FBI. During the late 80s, early 90s, especially after the fall of the Soviet Union,

the Russian mafia comes to especially New York City, but elsewhere, and basically takes over for the the mob that was here, the Italian mob, the cost of moisture. takes over for the the mob that was here, the Italian mob, the cost of moisture. And this is a new kind of thing because it's not sort of the coin mob you think of with the godfather and Tony soprano. It's more like Spectre from the James Bond movies. It's like it's transnational. There's lots of high-end money laundering and sex trafficking and arms dealing and blood diamonds and anything bad you can think of. Nuclear arms, shipments, bad, bad, bad stuff is what they're dealing in because there's a market for it. So he's involved himself with these people.

And they all kind of have ties to him. I mean, it's pretty, this is all in reporting. The press should have been writing this stuff and going back into their own archives while he was running for president instead of talking about his fucking hair or whatever. But they seem to be incapable of writing about anything other than the goddamn horse race. Even now, it's the horse race.

That's all they care about, and it's really frustrating because the job of the press is the best. Anyway, so the Russian mob figures come in, and they're all kind of, you know, they live in Trump's house. Trump's house is like a hotspot for all of this activity. The mob activity. There's the town of Florida that is also. And Trump is basically helping these guys will under their money because they come in,

they have shell corporations and he allows, he's one of two people in New York City that will allow purchases of property or purchases of apartments and his buildings. The shell corporations that are anonymous. So obviously all these people are going to go there. They're going to buy up the stuff and he doesn't care. This is all public reporting as well too. I mean, we had, we know about the red flags from Fin Sen, where they were showing $84 million in real estate transactions in Florida were red flagged. We talk about Rob Lovlev and his purchase of the Trump mansion in Florida and reselling

it for twice the amount in a soft market. This is also all public reporting. These aren't just things that people are pulling out of thin air. No, it's public and it's been out there for a long time. I think people just don't because it wasn't taken seriously at the time in 2015-2016 because it wasn't reported as the horror that it should have been and the disqualifying thing that it should have been. I think at this point people assume and maybe they're not illogical assuming, hey, if this guy really did something wrong, we would know by now.

They would have gotten arrested already, he would have this, blah, blah, blah, they're sick of hearing about it. But I also think people don't really understand how evil these people are if he's doing business with and the kinds of things that they do. And there is no bottom. You know, we say that about Trump all the time,

but he's just doing what his overlords command. They have no bottom. Yeah, and the way that the media was portraying it, even the public reporting was like, oh, you know, Pregozion, he's a chef, and he owns a catering company, and they do the meal contracts for the Russian army. That's what that guy does, you know.

And you're like, well, he does other things too. Yeah, and it, they just won't call it what it is. And again, you know, maybe they have reasons for doing so. I mean, they're afraid, or they don't. It's hard to change the narrative, it's tried. And most of these media, especially on TV, they just care about the horse race. And oh my God, Trump said the darn dis thing. Every goddamn day, and it continues still. He says some dumb thing, and everybody stops what they're doing and just talks about it constantly.

And it's like, guys, stop. Just talk about what we know about the guy. And educate the public why the guy is bad. I mean, he knew about the virus and the outbreak in at least November and did nothing about it for months. I mean, the only explanation for that is that he's actively, he doesn't care, he's actively trying to kill us all either to monetize it or because that's what his masters and Moscow have walked. That and to win the election.

But this is his view. And we know, you know, to keep the basically, the only thing he's got to run on is the economy. And when Dr. Misanir came out and said, we're all going to be, this is going to happen and it's going to be bad. And he almost fired her and was clearly, clearly upset that she had come out and told the public these things without his permission or going through him first. And so it becomes clear for through his behavior, not through anybody guessing anything, that his number one thing is to win the election on the economy.

And he can't do that if there's no economy. Right. Right. Right. And it's, you know, and he could have, he could have, there's so many moments in during the last, just to talk about the corona thing. There's so many moments when he could have just let certain things play out and it probably would have been okay. Like, even going back into documents, I think Azar, Alex Azar, was, is probably one of the, the more competent members of the cabinet, and seemed to at least understand what was going to happen.

It had some sort of handle on it. And as soon as they brought him in and it seemed like he was going to do something, Trump was like, oh, Pence is going to be in charge of this now. And then we never heard from Azar again. If he just let Azar do the job that he was supposed to do, maybe it wouldn't be in this mess, maybe it wouldn't be as bad. And Pence, too, like, I remember tweeting this at the time. Pence, this is actually a good opportunity for him

to kind of like, there's a lot of incentives to succeed here because he could come in, take over this thing, and completely alter the public perception of him. And he didn't do it at all. He just sits there and nods like a moron, whatever Trump says. And it's hard to draw any other conclusion other than he is in on it, and he also wants to solve the guy. I mean, that's what's happening by the inaction and the way that they're hoarding the PPE and whatever the health cushioners up to we don't know yet the extent of

of that i'm sure it's going to be terrible when we find out what actually is happening but to have the governor's have to you know sort of lobby publicly and almost big for supplies and for help from the federal government is insane yeah no i don't understand i don't understand why white is approval numbers are as high as they are yeah i I don't get it either, but you know

Maybe Michael Cohen is rigging the polls together. Yeah, right But we won't know cuz Muller didn't investigate that So you know this goes back to talking to what we were talking about before with you know like these people in the intelligence community who know what they know And I remember talking to Jack Bryan, you know He directed and wrote active measures that documentary on Netflix. And we both came to the same conclusion. It is.

And he and I both came to the same conclusion. Why are you fucking with the CIA? That is not a wise thing to do. Now, we were both at the time like, no one's gonna come out and call it out and whistle blow it you know call them out as either an informant or call them out as an asset, but is that really who you want to mess with? I think we all talk about that. And you know, part of this is the way that we perceive these agencies and the power that we sort of think that they have based on movies that we've

seen and books that we've read and TV shows that we've watched. You know, like I used to watch Scandal and that was a really fun show and it's like if there was a command and a B613, Trump's presidency would have been over in two days. You know, there isn't anybody as far as we can tell, but I can see there isn't anybody in the CIA that's actually doing and anything like that. They're mostly just analysts, and no nerds

as Lincoln's Bible puts it, sitting around doing analysis, reading the stuff, and trying to sort of think what's gonna happen, and give information. I mean, they're not ultimately intelligence gathering is about that, it's about intelligence, not about taking active measures, I was going to say, but taking action that goes outside of its purview. So we sort of think that that's what they do,

but they, I guess, really don't, is my point. So who there is going to stand up and do something, and I don't know what the answer is. Yeah. I don't want to throw the IC under the bus here because people have tried. I think that, you know, from where I sit, that there, it's been very obvious by the statements that have come out and stuff like that, that they know how dangerous this guy is. Like, you get a guy like, dangerous this guy is. Like you get a guy like Brennan and you know that people go on Twitter and say that Trump is bad. I mean, these are people that generally are stayed and don't comment on anything. You know, they gloam are everything for 30 years and then they treat that Trump is horrible.

I mean, what does that tell you? You know, That's pretty extreme, but nobody seems to be able to make the intellectual leap that, hey, this guy that used to be like the director of the NSA suddenly tweeting that Trump is a bad actor. Maybe that's bad. Maybe we should actually give that more weight than something that somebody else says. So is that sort of the conclusion you're trying to draw here is that the media should be

focusing on the correct things and not like, you know, inject yourself with bleach today. And that, but do you also draw conclusions about the intelligence community? I think it's both things. I mean, the media absolutely positively reshapethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethethetheth So when I say the mainstream media, it's really the editors, it's the pundits, it's the people who decide what the headlines are going to be and what's going to get tweeted out and who helped shape the actual narrative of news that we watch. That's the part that's completely in the bag for Trump, for whatever reason. There's a thousand different reasons why it works the way that it works, not all of them are bad or nefarious.

But those people just seem incapable of presenting the story the way that it needs to be presented. Like as an example, the New York Times has been terrible and excellent. It's like, it's a skit so it's the way that it is. They had that terrible, you know, investigating Russia, FBI finds those sign of Trump, whatever, back in October of 2016, which is the worst news article of my lifetime. Yeah. And absolutely helps give him the election for sure.

But they also did that wonderful piece that ran in the Times Magazine about Fred and the taxes and all these laws that just broke. Oh,. I mean it came out and it was just gone. Whoever the people are that decide to push these things did not push that story hard enough. Could part of it be our fault as consumers as to what we tend to gravitate toward and click on sensational wise versus a very long investigative piece about finances in a family going back, you know, for decades.

You know, I guess we get to a chicken and egg situation which came first, the idiot electorate or the asshole media. You know, like it was, was came first. And I honestly don't know the answer to that, but I can promise you that that story didn't do well partly because it wasn't pushed. It was probably on page six or something. Oh, it was in the magazine. That's right. And secondly, because it's boring AF, nobody's going to read it. I mean, not to folks like you and I I or people who are probably listening to this program But it's not you know Trump tells and says to inject bleach what a dumb ass and we all get a good laugh out of it

And and we move on to the next thing versus you know, you should really you know He doesn't have two nickels to rub together and he's you know Mysterious 50 million million loans to himself through other businesses from his own businesses that are paid off by Deutsche Bank and then a subsidiary of Deutsche Bank. Like people are like asleep by the time they get to the words Deutsche Bank. Right.

But and they have and there wasn't even any of the latest details of that article to keep going. Like, remember when the steel dossier finally got leaked. All anybody could write about was stupid P. P. tape, the Golden Shalersier finally got leaked, all anybody could write about was stupid tp tape, the golden showers thing, which is on page two, I think of it. It's like they didn't even read it. They read like as far as they needed to get the that and then they gave up and they just wrote about that and everyone laughed and then that was the end of the, you know, like there. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's partly the media's

fault and it's partly the I.C for not like you know utilizing the media better. And at this point, I don't know, you know, hindsight is 2020. I think there were always hoping that something would happen that would mean that they didn't have to take any possibly illegal action to prevent, you know, the commas, the whistleblower, whatever you want to call it. Like, I'm sure that when he was impeached, they were probably like, great, he's impeached. Now we can put it on trial and this will happen. And of course, the Republicans just didn't allow a fair trial. And, you know, how do you, how do you even game plan for that? Like, you kind of have to assume, if the game isn't even played fairly in the United States at that level. I mean, you can't pin that on the IC either. I mean, that's the fault of the Republicans and it's also the fault of Roberts, by the

way, who just sat there like a pot of plan and didn't do anything and allowed this travesty to happen. You know, and it's removed at that point and Princess there, maybe the coronavirus, those are the killers of many people, by the way. Oh, of course, totally. I would put all the money we don't have in the bank anymore on that. But anyhow, to wrap this up, any silver linings, any conclusions, any proverbial champion light at the end of the tunnel that you might or might not see or or is this just how it is and we have to either learn from it and move on or perish like sweater bunnies. What's the deal? I think that it's important that people continue to educate themselves about who this guy is and to really seek out the truth about it. And I think like we've joked now all through this about the Lysol and the Bleach jokes and this and that, but I really do feel like that was a turning point of sorts. Even though ironically, what's her name,

Burke's, when she said, oh, he had taught him this and he was still thinking out loud when he talks. I am quite sure that that's true. And he didn't actually mean the suggest that we do it. But the fact is he's known about this thing for five goddamn months. And I think everybody has had that thought, oh man, if this 409's break and killed the coronavirus, what if we could somehow do get it in our lungs? And then you think, oh, but that will kill me. And then you put that thought away as a stupid thought, right? But it took him five months to have that thought, and then he rejected within five seconds and had to talk about it at a press conference with all these people, and it's like, you know, he's so incompetent. But I think that that turned the

corner a little bit. I think it's hard to come back from something like that. He's a laughing stock, and everybody seems to know it. So, you know, I've said that so many times in the last three and a half years, oh, this is a turning point now. And it is, but it's just, it's like a never ending Russian nesting doll. You never can quite get to the bottom. It's a series of tiny turning points, right? Just keeps going, keeps going, keeps going. Well, but I don't know, I mean, I don't think they can impeach them now. I think that they can't, practically, they can't go

there and do it. I don't think there's enough time between now and the election to do it. I don't think there's any appetite politically for it. No, I don't even have, I don't even have that appetite, you know, like because the Senate trial is going to be a hoax and a sham anyway. So let's maybe try to save some lives. And yeah, get money to it. I think it's going to come down to McConnell. He's going to have to look at the numbers and say,

oh my god, if we let this guy run, we're going to lose the Senate forever. We have to get rid of him right now. And he's going to do that thing that, you know, that happened with Nixon and he's going to go talk to him and say, you need to resign now. You think? And if that's really, I think that's the only thing that could happen between now and then. Yeah, obviously, but you and I have been saying for a long time,

his best and only option out of this is to resign so he can get a pardon and skate. That's, that's really his best and only option. He is, he is not going to win in November, at least I don't think so. Just looking at some of the early primary states in Wisconsin and the numbers of people who are turning out to vote. If he loses the economy, which he has, again, what's he going to run on? And so, yeah, the writing's on the wall, but we'll see how he handles it. He doesn't seem to be like, you know, a lot of folks are saying, he doesn't seem to be like the kind of guy to just walk away, you know.

I just agree. I mean, I think he is the kind of guy to walk away. I think he's a big limp and he always has been. And he's, he's, historically, he's been very happy to walk away from, I'm gonna sue you and doada da, and then there's a quiet thing that happens that he gives up, you know.

But the problem is that the incentive for him to remain is that the instance that he is not the president, they are going to indict him in New York State. Interesting. They don't have to wait for the documents anymore. All this stuff will come tampering down on him, which he's well aware of, I would think. Yeah. And the state crimes, he can't't pardon pants can't pardon the state crimes So and why is Pence gonna pardon him anyway? I mean Pence could get it

Pence could say you know I'm gonna pardon you and then get become president and be like yeah, I'm changed my mind You know like what what possible incentive is there for Pence partner? I mean I think that's a that's a big assumption So yeah, I don't know I think I think we just have to hope for the best in November. And one of the things that's interesting is Biden is obviously up there in years. And I was worried a little bit about the physical rigors

of campaigning for months and months. Now, he's just in his basement. Yes, you know, good. Like he can rest, he can go on TV a little bit, and we'll keep him safe and healthy and well-rested, and that's what we need right now. We need Biden to be, you know, kept as a fiddle until November. So that you asked about silver lining. There's a silver lining. Our guy is going to be kept safe. Yeah. I think there's that. So I don't know, it's going to be a crazy last couple of months. I think there's six months and a couple weeks still the election and we still have to figure out how we're going to vote. Well, I don't, I'm not worried about that. I think that

figure out how we're going to vote. Well, I don't, I'm not worried about that. I think that, you know, there's nothing is going to keep me from voting. I don't care who's there. I don't care if there's actual zombies that are going to bite my neck and turn me into a vamp. I'm, I'm mutilated in my undead references, but, you know, I'm voting.

You're voting. Everybody we know is voting. Here's, it's, you know, it's a risk that everybody is happy to think. Except maybe the mag of people who will say, huh? Because by then probably it might clue into the fact that this is dangerous. So I don't think it helps them at all. I think it's the opposite. And I think it's going to be just that I think he's going to lose by a lot. Oh, well. I think people are sick of him. They were sick of him before. Now they're really sick of him,

and now they're gonna blame them for what's happened. And you know, you throw out the economy and you kill grandma. Good job. Let's give you four more years, you know. You know, I'll have nothing to do. Yeah, here's hoping. He didn't get that crisis bump that he wanted.

As much as he tried to paint it as a war, but you know, we'll see what happens. And so thank you for coming and talking to me today. Here's, you know, here's hope and that that's what goes on. And it's just, it's been an insane three and a half years. So we just, we have a little bit left to hang on. And I think we'll, I think we'll pull it out in November. So thanks for talking to me today.

Can you tell everybody where they can find you on the internet? Yeah, I'm on Twitter at Greg Olyar, and then you can go to my prevail page, which you can type in my name, GREG O-L-A-R, the word prevail. It will pop up magically, and you can read all my stuff there. Magic.

Hmm. Yeah. The spit. It literally is magic. No, I, I, I, you know, when you think about the Wi-Fi and how these things work, it sort of does feel very magical. It's quite magical. And thank God, by the way, for the Wi-Fi and the technology and all this stuff, because

quarantine would be very difficult without those things. 100%. All right. Well, thanks for joining us. Yeah. And yeah, and we'll talk soon. I'm sure. I'd like to get back on the phone with you after these scotus cases and the muller grand jury

material stay request is decided. I'd like to see where you think all that's going. And Judge Reggie Walton is going to be reviewing the unredacted full muller report and having a session about it on June 18th. That's going to be a fun summer activity. We'll be in touch. Thanks very much, everybody.

Greg Olyar. Stay safe. You as well. All right, everybody. That is our show for today. Thank you. Again, the cocktail meet and greet was so much fun. I haven't played music in so long.

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